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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to MoMA Mia out Loud. It's what

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Speaker 2: women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the eleventh February.

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Speaker 2: I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Amelia Leicester, and I'm Jesse Stevens

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Speaker 2: and we're going to get to the return of Amelia

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Speaker 2: Lester in a second. Everybody, because the out loudest they

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Speaker 2: are quick to panic.

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Speaker 3: They are they.

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Speaker 2: Someone in the out louders And they just wrote, Okay,

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Speaker 2: where's Amelia? And the vibe of that particular comment to

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Speaker 2: me was have you locked her?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is she just too clever and you've decided that she's

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Speaker 2: not allowed?

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Speaker 1: Amelia was away. We'll get Twitter. But here's what else

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Speaker 1: is on our agenda for today.

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Speaker 2: I have got a very important scoreless gossip update that

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Speaker 2: takes in everything from a cheating skier to Jen and

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Speaker 2: Ben point twenty five and.

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Speaker 1: To a post Super Bowl super breakup.

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Speaker 4: Plus there is a true crime story which we can't

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Speaker 4: look away from.

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Speaker 3: And peniscape, plus Lindsay Vaughn, the woman who has divided

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Speaker 3: sports spectators all over the world.

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Speaker 2: But first, Amelia's been in America and we would like

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Speaker 2: a quick vibe check from that nation.

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Speaker 5: Yes, like Hailey Bieber.

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Speaker 4: I just returned to Australia from America today. I was

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Speaker 4: in ceat eighty one A on a Quantus flight from

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Speaker 4: Dallas to Sydney, and I think she was in C

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Speaker 4: eighty two B.

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Speaker 3: Just behind you, just behind Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been in first class or she.

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Speaker 1: Would have been flying.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I think maybe? Isn't she a billionaire?

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Speaker 2: She literally just landed one of her fancy glazing milks

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Speaker 2: if she was going to go on her anyway, what's

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Speaker 2: America like at the moment?

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Speaker 4: It was interesting there was kind of two Americas that

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Speaker 4: I saw because at first I was in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 4: which is where I used to live, which is where

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Speaker 4: I used to live, and Mia texted me while I

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Speaker 4: was there, and she said, give me three words to

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Speaker 4: describe it. And I thought about it and I wrote back, snow, despair, grit,

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Speaker 4: A lot of snow, like a lot of snow, Like

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Speaker 4: we're talking like walls of snow, which people in DC

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Speaker 4: are not very used to. So for a start, everyone's

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Speaker 4: feeling a little bit cold and a little bit miserable.

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Speaker 4: And then a lot of people in DC are feeling

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Speaker 4: despair because a lot of people in the nation's capital

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Speaker 4: have lost their jobs thanks to Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And people are quite worried about the demolition of the

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Speaker 4: White House East Wing and the upcoming demolition of potential

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Speaker 4: demolition of the Kennedy Center, which is this beautiful building

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Speaker 4: which is in recognition of John F.

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Speaker 5: Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: But are they running out to see milaniy other film?

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Speaker 4: Oh look, the snow was the only thing stopping. But

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Speaker 4: then I added grit because I felt like a lot

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Speaker 5: A lot of them are journalists.

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Speaker 4: There's a sense that, yeah, we're going through this very

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Speaker 4: tumul to us time right now, but also life has

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Speaker 4: the future and what sort of lessons might be learned

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Speaker 4: from this period of American history. And there is this

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Speaker 4: I spoke to there. And then the second part of

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Speaker 4: my trip was a girl's trip. I went to the

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Speaker 3: Did you stay in a cabin in the woods?

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Speaker 5: I did. I did see a cabin in the woods

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Speaker 3: Did you see a bear?

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Speaker 5: The bears a hibernating jesse.

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Speaker 4: I learned this myself, I asked, and they just looked

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Speaker 4: also a reminder that in a lot of America, you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that update.

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Speaker 4: One thing that everyone was talking about and which I

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Speaker 4: is that Savannah Guthrie's mother is missing. Now. I don't

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Speaker 4: is this American TV personality. She is a co host

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Speaker 4: and her beloved mother, who was eighty four years old.

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Speaker 5: Has been missing since last Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I've seen headlines about this, and I've been confused.

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Speaker 3: I've not been following it super closely. At first, I

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Speaker 3: didn't understand if perhaps it was a case of a

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Speaker 3: been going against what the family said.

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Speaker 1: I'm so confused today.

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Speaker 2: There's this awful video which everybody is talking about. But

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Speaker 2: can I just go one step back, because I'd never

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Speaker 2: to be honest, I'd never heard the name Savannah Gusrie

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Speaker 4: Who would she be like? She's like, everyone loves her,

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Speaker 1: I think she'd be like a Natalie Barr.

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Speaker 2: Like in Australia, Natalie Barr has been on Sunrise for decades.

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Speaker 2: She's trusted, she's generally well liked. She's not controversial in

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Speaker 2: But she's not like an oversharer, but they'd feel like

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Speaker 4: One thing that's come out in this is that people

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Speaker 4: she Savannah Guthrie. She's a former lawyer. She's a very

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Speaker 4: serious journalist. She interviewed Donald Trump in twenty twenty. She

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Speaker 1: She born in Australia.

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Speaker 5: She was born in.

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Speaker 4: Melbourne to American parents who are working here. But they're

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Speaker 4: serious journalists who people nonetheless feel very warm and close

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Speaker 2: I think that's only traditionally how we felt about Australian

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you do, genuinely how the chemistry of how

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Speaker 2: generally they're always smiling, like they're always there's a consistency

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Speaker 3: And it's quite in that way. It's almost like quite

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Speaker 4: And in this very polarized America which I just ascribed

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Speaker 4: to you, a Savannah Guthrie is a figure who just

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Speaker 4: Dolly part and Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 5: I think that's about it.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, bad bunny, but I love

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Speaker 2: heard there are people him, some inexplicable people who don't

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Speaker 2: like him anyway, Please continue.

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Speaker 4: But the thing about this is even separate from Savannah

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Speaker 4: Guthrie's fame, This is a uniquely horrible story. It is

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Speaker 4: just the kind of true crime story that we thought

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Speaker 4: People just are not getting kidnapped for arounsom anymore. So

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Speaker 4: let me explain what happened. Savannah Guthrie is one of

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Speaker 4: three kids. Their father died when they were quite young.

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Speaker 4: Her mother, Nancy Guthrie, She is eighty four. Last Sunday,

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Speaker 4: she was meant to be attending a streamed church service.

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Speaker 4: The whole family is very religious with some friends, and

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Speaker 4: she did not show up to the church service in

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Speaker 4: the morning, so her friends called the police. They went

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Speaker 5: It's kind of in the desert.

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Speaker 4: It's just a matter of a few kilometers from Mexico.

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Speaker 4: It's very far south in the US, and there was

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Speaker 4: the first reports, the ones that you probably saw Jesse,

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Speaker 4: the blood on the doorstep would seem to confirm that.

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Speaker 4: There's basically been no leads since, which is a really

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Speaker 5: The FBI said that there's.

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Speaker 4: No particular suspect or even person of interest they're looking at, but.

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Speaker 2: Aren't they aren't there ransom demands or of some of

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Speaker 4: So the family has released two videos seemingly addressed to

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Speaker 4: the kidnapper. There have been reports that ransom notes were

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Speaker 4: sent to media outlets, including TMZ, but the ransom notes

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Speaker 1: In these would be the way to handle that right

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Speaker 1: here exactly. So that's like I was actually sort of impressing.

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Speaker 4: For not publishing it. It has been reported that the

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Speaker 5: So in these two.

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Speaker 4: Videos, which are really hard to watch, these three children

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Speaker 4: sit on a sofa and they address this kidnapper from

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Speaker 4: the ransom notes directly and they say to him or

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Speaker 4: to her, to the kidnappers, we will pay.

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Speaker 5: We really want our mother back.

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Speaker 4: We will pay the ransom, but first we have to

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Speaker 4: know you actually have our mother, because there's no way

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Speaker 4: of knowing if these ransom notes are real. The latest

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Speaker 4: development is the ransom notes were maybe not real, because

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Speaker 4: Savannah Guthrie has released a video just speaking on her

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Speaker 4: own and there's been a very distinct shift in tone.

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Speaker 4: The ransom deadline has passed. Reporting as indicated that they

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Speaker 4: did not pay the ransom, and she's no longer talking

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Speaker 4: to the kidnapper. In fact, she's basically saying, we don't

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Speaker 4: know anything. Please help us identify who this kidnapper is.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 5: Hi there, everybody.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to come on and just share a few

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Speaker 6: thoughts as we enter into another week of the nightmare.

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Speaker 6: I just want to say, first of all, thank you

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Speaker 6: so much for all of the prayers and the love

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Speaker 6: that we have felt, my sister and brother and I,

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Speaker 6: and that our mom has felt.

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Speaker 5: Because we believe that.

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Speaker 6: Somehow, some way she is feeling these prayers and that

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Speaker 6: God is lifting her even in this moment and in

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Speaker 6: this darkest place. We believe our mom is still out there.

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Speaker 5: We need your help.

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Speaker 4: There's no theories she was not a political figure. If

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Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong, But the idea of kidnapping

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, even kidnapping as a sort of criminal act.

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Speaker 4: Another thing that's really confounded detectives on this is that

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Speaker 5: We very much.

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Speaker 4: Hope that Nancy Guthrie will be found soon and will

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Speaker 3: In a moment, Lindsey vonn the US athlete who has

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Speaker 5: But is it Boomers? Is it Gen X?

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Speaker 7: Holly Jesse and I really really dug a bit deep

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Speaker 3: There is some confusion about penis injections at the Winter Olympics,

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Speaker 3: and it's important we look very long, very hard.

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Speaker 2: I saw these headlines everywhere on the weekend and I

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Speaker 1: I was like, what do penises have to do with skiing?

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Speaker 2: I know that the I know the outfits are very tight.

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Speaker 2: Are we all just a little bit outside?

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Speaker 5: I was on a horse. I wasn't watching.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well, so the Winter Olympics began last Friday,

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Speaker 2: Starting with the basis, yes, yes, it's in Italy, you're wondering, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Snowing cold, and I, for one have no idea what's

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Speaker 5: I've tried to our sports correspondent. If you don't know, who,

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Speaker 3: Amerely. I tried to turn it on and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the rules are. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what we're trying to achieve. I assume landing on our

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Speaker 3: feet and they're all I really.

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Speaker 2: Like the figure skathing me too. It's my favorite because

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Speaker 2: it's music. Yeah, good time, that's a bit of fun, right.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of jumping, there's a lot of sledding.

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Speaker 3: They look cold, and most things look very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Does look really dangerous?

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Speaker 3: Winter Olympics more dangerous, which we'll get to. But the

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Speaker 3: outline of a penis I understand.

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Speaker 6: So the.

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Speaker 2: Bad Bunny video take your Way after the Sea exactly.

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Speaker 2: I promise to stop trying to inject him into every conversation, very.

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Speaker 1: Please, that's your fault.

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Speaker 3: There are allegations that have been made and the World

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Speaker 3: Doping Organization is looking into it, and those allegations are

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Speaker 3: that male athletes are enlarging their penises with hyaluronic aspects.

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Speaker 4: So is this But I thought hyaluronic acid was a

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Speaker 4: great moisturizing skin ingreedy.

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Speaker 1: Some mons it's a plumper.

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Speaker 5: It's so you.

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Speaker 3: Can get it in a syringe and you can plump.

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Speaker 2: Thad rumors that like not just scares, but quite a

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Speaker 2: lot of chaps do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's about is it anchorism to balance?

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Speaker 5: It hunts their balance?

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Speaker 3: I know, would I would think, or keep it warm

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Speaker 3: because it's cold.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps, I don't know if that works.

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Speaker 3: Six Wise, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubta.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It does increase girth, not necessarily length as far as like, but.

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Speaker 5: I don't think athletes want to be girthy.

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Speaker 1: Do Well, Well, there's science here. Science.

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Speaker 3: Why is this an advantage? Is the question we're all asking.

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Speaker 3: That is, because it affords you a larger ski suit,

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Speaker 3: which can apparently generate a small amount of extra lift.

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Speaker 3: I refuse to go into the maths because I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: But apparently a suit that has three centimeters more fabric

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Speaker 5: This does not make any sense. You're making it up.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they have like to get fitted with their special

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Speaker 2: Every like millimeter of their body is taken into consideration

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Speaker 2: in theory, if you have a larger package, your suit

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Speaker 4: Okay, but here's my issue. Birds don't have famously larger penises,

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Speaker 3: A great flat flying they fly, I have wings, yeah right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: I never did physix. But anyway, the doping agency has

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Speaker 2: My vibe on this is like, sure, that's why you're

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Speaker 1: Penis situations that's my vibe on this.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely definitely about jumping a little bit further.

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Speaker 5: To their elbows.

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Speaker 1: We have all.

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Speaker 2: Had about what goes on in the Olympic villages. A

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Speaker 2: You can say it's for the flight advantage, and I

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, how offended would you be if you

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Speaker 3: go around and go, Holly, you're under investigation exactly, and

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Speaker 3: then I'll go Amelia, you're actually fine, and you'll go,

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Speaker 3: hang on. I would like to also be investigated, and

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Speaker 4: Sometimes, do you remember when John Hamm came out so

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Speaker 4: the mad charactor was accused of having a large penis

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Speaker 4: accused and he said it was hurtful because it was

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Speaker 5: So just show a little respect.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the Winter Olympics, the biggest story to come

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Speaker 3: much about Lindsay von.

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Speaker 1: No, But this story is great. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting. So she's competing for the USA. She's

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Speaker 3: she is selfish and stupid and she robbed another athlete

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Speaker 2: I think that there is somewhere in the middle there,

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Speaker 2: but that's not.

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Speaker 4: Generally what that's opinion.

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Speaker 3: You're allowed to have a right, Okay. Bit of background.

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Speaker 3: Vonn has been competing for twenty four years. She is

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Speaker 3: That was until one week ago, one week before the Olympics,

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Speaker 4: Now, just I obviously know what an acl is for

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Speaker 5: So we all have it.

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Speaker 3: We all have one.

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Speaker 2: A lot of football players get it. A lot of

444
00:21:44,794 --> 00:21:46,994
Speaker 2: female soccer players get it a lot. They say women

445
00:21:47,034 --> 00:21:50,033
Speaker 2: are more likely to get the men. It's agonizing. You

446
00:21:50,114 --> 00:21:53,234
Speaker 2: need surgery and yeah, if your inhabilitation, that's one of those.

447
00:21:53,274 --> 00:21:55,513
Speaker 1: You're usually out of action for months.

448
00:21:55,554 --> 00:21:57,314
Speaker 3: You can see it on the face of an athlete

449
00:21:57,314 --> 00:21:59,594
Speaker 3: when they know they've done their ACL because they're looking

450
00:21:59,634 --> 00:22:03,034
Speaker 3: down the barrel at a really significant recovery. She also

451
00:22:03,034 --> 00:22:06,594
Speaker 3: had a bone bruise, and for most athletes are going

452
00:22:06,634 --> 00:22:10,634
Speaker 3: into our to downhill skiing, this would mean bowing out.

453
00:22:10,714 --> 00:22:12,874
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, well, I was gonna do it, youcause

454
00:22:12,954 --> 00:22:13,553
Speaker 1: can't do it now.

455
00:22:13,554 --> 00:22:16,474
Speaker 4: Because knees in addition to penis has seem important for skiing.

456
00:22:16,514 --> 00:22:21,434
Speaker 3: They do is important exactly, but not Von. She was like,

457
00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:25,033
Speaker 3: I'm not bowing out. I am competing. In two thousand

458
00:22:25,034 --> 00:22:28,954
Speaker 3: and eight, Actually, Tiger Woods competed in the US Open

459
00:22:28,954 --> 00:22:32,074
Speaker 3: with a torn ACL and stress fractures in his left leg.

460
00:22:32,274 --> 00:22:34,274
Speaker 5: That's yeah, j it's golf.

461
00:22:34,314 --> 00:22:36,154
Speaker 3: But I had to bring up Tiger Woods because he's

462
00:22:36,194 --> 00:22:39,234
Speaker 3: her ex and I just thought that that was just

463
00:22:39,354 --> 00:22:40,674
Speaker 3: I wanted to put it in, but I didn't want

464
00:22:40,674 --> 00:22:43,554
Speaker 3: it to sound like that's the most interesting thing about her.

465
00:22:44,194 --> 00:22:46,874
Speaker 3: But I know you wanted to know too. Okay, anyway,

466
00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:50,874
Speaker 3: skiing is not golf, as established, but she had won

467
00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:54,234
Speaker 3: twelve times in this exact spot in Cortina, and she

468
00:22:54,274 --> 00:22:56,793
Speaker 3: was attempting to become the oldest alpine skier man or

469
00:22:56,794 --> 00:23:00,714
Speaker 3: woman to win an Olympic medal. That dream was not realized,

470
00:23:00,834 --> 00:23:05,594
Speaker 3: so thirteen seconds into her run, she experienced a devastating

471
00:23:05,634 --> 00:23:08,554
Speaker 3: crash which ended in a broken leg, the same leg

472
00:23:08,594 --> 00:23:11,874
Speaker 3: with the ruptured ACL, and you could hear her screams

473
00:23:11,914 --> 00:23:13,354
Speaker 3: of pain on the broadcast.

474
00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:15,874
Speaker 4: Okay, this is what I don't understand. Why is she

475
00:23:15,954 --> 00:23:18,474
Speaker 4: at pains to tell us that that had nothing to

476
00:23:18,474 --> 00:23:20,114
Speaker 4: do with the ACL.

477
00:23:20,314 --> 00:23:22,513
Speaker 2: Because she doesn't want it to seem like she was

478
00:23:22,554 --> 00:23:26,033
Speaker 2: really irris, like, so I'm going to compete no matter what.

479
00:23:26,074 --> 00:23:28,194
Speaker 2: I've got a torn ACL and a bone bruise. But

480
00:23:28,354 --> 00:23:31,033
Speaker 2: and all the doctors are like ah. In fact, she

481
00:23:31,474 --> 00:23:34,994
Speaker 2: I saw some social media from her where she repeated

482
00:23:34,994 --> 00:23:37,914
Speaker 2: it a doctor had said this isn't possible, you can't

483
00:23:37,914 --> 00:23:40,553
Speaker 2: do it, and her vibe is like, thanks doc, just

484
00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:41,833
Speaker 2: because you said it's impossible.

485
00:23:41,994 --> 00:23:43,954
Speaker 1: Doesn't make it impossible. I will do it.

486
00:23:44,634 --> 00:23:47,194
Speaker 3: So the people who go, you shouldn't have taken a

487
00:23:47,234 --> 00:23:50,234
Speaker 3: spot because you were never match fit. She's trying to

488
00:23:50,274 --> 00:23:55,554
Speaker 3: say what happened on that field could have happened to anyone,

489
00:23:55,874 --> 00:23:59,274
Speaker 3: and experts tend to agree with her. They say that actually,

490
00:23:59,314 --> 00:24:01,634
Speaker 3: it wasn't to do with her leg. It was to

491
00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:04,154
Speaker 3: do with she clipped something as she went past, and

492
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:06,034
Speaker 3: it was to do with balance and blah blah blah.

493
00:24:06,074 --> 00:24:08,594
Speaker 3: It could have happened to anyone. That's one theory. But

494
00:24:08,674 --> 00:24:12,674
Speaker 3: she was ultimately airlifted from the course. Another American, Breezy Johnson,

495
00:24:12,714 --> 00:24:15,434
Speaker 3: won the gold medal, but many say that that was

496
00:24:15,434 --> 00:24:21,474
Speaker 3: eclipsed by Vonn's disastrous run. The question, therefore, is like

497
00:24:21,514 --> 00:24:25,234
Speaker 3: whether she should have competed at all? Should she have

498
00:24:25,314 --> 00:24:29,914
Speaker 3: competed riddled with injury? Is it hubris? Or is this

499
00:24:30,034 --> 00:24:32,874
Speaker 3: what the Olympics is kind of all about? What do

500
00:24:32,914 --> 00:24:33,553
Speaker 3: you think college?

501
00:24:33,634 --> 00:24:36,994
Speaker 2: I think athletes are a very very different breed to

502
00:24:37,194 --> 00:24:39,554
Speaker 2: the rest of us. I might be like, oh, I've

503
00:24:39,554 --> 00:24:42,354
Speaker 2: got a saw leg, Damn, I have to sit around

504
00:24:42,354 --> 00:24:44,594
Speaker 2: and watch Bridgeton and e chocolates like that might be

505
00:24:44,674 --> 00:24:50,314
Speaker 2: my position. But I've interviewed several athletes, including this amazing woman,

506
00:24:50,354 --> 00:24:54,834
Speaker 2: Australian woman called Lydia Lassila. Right, she was an aerial skier,

507
00:24:54,914 --> 00:24:57,074
Speaker 2: so they're the skiers who do all the tricks in

508
00:24:57,114 --> 00:25:00,834
Speaker 2: the air, and she was amazing. She became an aerial

509
00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:03,554
Speaker 2: skier because she was a gymnast and then she had

510
00:25:03,594 --> 00:25:06,914
Speaker 2: like a career ending injury in gymnastics and was told

511
00:25:06,954 --> 00:25:09,914
Speaker 2: you compete again, so again, instead of sitting down and

512
00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:13,194
Speaker 2: watching Telly with her chocolates, she went and retrained as

513
00:25:13,314 --> 00:25:15,914
Speaker 2: like as an aerial skier to compete in the Olympics

514
00:25:15,954 --> 00:25:18,114
Speaker 2: in that way. She had a baby and everyone said, well,

515
00:25:18,234 --> 00:25:20,513
Speaker 2: no one ever comes back after having a baby to

516
00:25:20,554 --> 00:25:22,954
Speaker 2: the same level of fitness and wins. She proved them

517
00:25:22,994 --> 00:25:25,634
Speaker 2: all wrong. Now she's a commentator on Channel nine for

518
00:25:25,674 --> 00:25:28,394
Speaker 2: this Winter Olympics. But I remember when I talked to her,

519
00:25:28,554 --> 00:25:32,234
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, this is a different species of

520
00:25:32,314 --> 00:25:36,033
Speaker 2: person in a way. Yeah that this just since they

521
00:25:36,074 --> 00:25:38,394
Speaker 2: were tiny. I think for a lot of professional athletes,

522
00:25:39,074 --> 00:25:42,074
Speaker 2: this is the drive that has been embedded in them

523
00:25:42,154 --> 00:25:44,914
Speaker 2: and they don't necessarily know how to divert from that,

524
00:25:45,074 --> 00:25:48,314
Speaker 2: and that can be an enormous strength, but it can

525
00:25:48,394 --> 00:25:51,874
Speaker 2: also be it could also really put blinkers on you.

526
00:25:52,154 --> 00:25:54,394
Speaker 2: I mean, look at she was forty one, right, Lindsay Vaughn.

527
00:25:54,474 --> 00:25:56,754
Speaker 2: And the other thing that's cruel about sport is it's

528
00:25:56,754 --> 00:25:57,714
Speaker 2: a place where.

529
00:25:57,474 --> 00:26:00,034
Speaker 1: Ageism is kind of justified.

530
00:26:00,474 --> 00:26:02,994
Speaker 2: Not necessarily because your body slows down if you're super

531
00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:04,794
Speaker 2: fit and depending on your sport and all those things,

532
00:26:04,954 --> 00:26:08,234
Speaker 2: but because of the accumulated injuries. So you know, it's

533
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:11,033
Speaker 2: not necessarily that Lindsay Vonn at forty one wasn't as

534
00:26:11,034 --> 00:26:13,553
Speaker 2: fit or anything, but she's had years and years of

535
00:26:13,634 --> 00:26:16,594
Speaker 2: her legs being smashed up, She's had knee reconstruction.

536
00:26:16,634 --> 00:26:18,074
Speaker 3: Her good knee is made of titan.

537
00:26:18,234 --> 00:26:18,714
Speaker 1: Yeah.

538
00:26:18,954 --> 00:26:21,154
Speaker 2: But then you think about like a Tom Brady, you

539
00:26:21,154 --> 00:26:24,674
Speaker 2: know who he retired, who's an American football player of

540
00:26:25,034 --> 00:26:28,794
Speaker 2: much fame and adoration, and he retired, came back, retired,

541
00:26:28,834 --> 00:26:30,674
Speaker 2: came back. He's like, I'm forty five, I'm still going

542
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,394
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. I don't care, you know.

543
00:26:32,834 --> 00:26:36,194
Speaker 2: I think there's just this drive and is it to

544
00:26:36,234 --> 00:26:38,754
Speaker 2: be admired? I think is a question because sometimes I

545
00:26:38,794 --> 00:26:41,594
Speaker 2: watch footballers say, oh, I played that whole ground final

546
00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,714
Speaker 2: with a broken cheekbone, and I think, oh, I don't

547
00:26:44,754 --> 00:26:46,194
Speaker 2: know if that's a good message. I don't know if

548
00:26:46,234 --> 00:26:49,954
Speaker 2: I want kids to all think that, you know, so what,

549
00:26:50,034 --> 00:26:52,033
Speaker 2: I've got a broken arm I play on or not.

550
00:26:52,794 --> 00:26:57,034
Speaker 2: That's the dichotomy here. Is that a great thing for resilience, strengths,

551
00:26:57,034 --> 00:27:01,394
Speaker 2: determination or is it kind of a super huge like

552
00:27:01,554 --> 00:27:03,754
Speaker 2: not admitting that we are human and that we are

553
00:27:03,754 --> 00:27:06,914
Speaker 2: weak and that we can sometimes have to change our plans.

554
00:27:07,194 --> 00:27:11,513
Speaker 3: Well, it is broadly celebrated. The footballer who plays the

555
00:27:11,554 --> 00:27:15,594
Speaker 3: Grand Final with the injuries. They look like they were

556
00:27:15,594 --> 00:27:18,674
Speaker 3: sustained in a car accident. That is something that at

557
00:27:18,714 --> 00:27:22,074
Speaker 3: the end you get the you know, player of the

558
00:27:22,074 --> 00:27:24,834
Speaker 3: match thing and everyone applauds you and goes, wow, you're

559
00:27:24,874 --> 00:27:28,194
Speaker 3: a gladiator and you were applaud that I suppose, but

560
00:27:28,234 --> 00:27:28,914
Speaker 3: also it's like.

561
00:27:28,954 --> 00:27:29,634
Speaker 1: Is it stupid?

562
00:27:30,474 --> 00:27:32,954
Speaker 3: But then I was thinking about Simone Biles at the

563
00:27:32,994 --> 00:27:35,634
Speaker 3: Olympics and when she got the twisties and that was

564
00:27:35,674 --> 00:27:40,474
Speaker 3: when she you know, couldn't sense her body in space

565
00:27:40,554 --> 00:27:43,034
Speaker 3: and she knew that competing would be dangerous and she went,

566
00:27:43,394 --> 00:27:45,434
Speaker 3: I'm going to bow out because what I do is dangerous.

567
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:49,434
Speaker 3: Probably like not dissimilar to what vond does, and she

568
00:27:49,554 --> 00:27:49,914
Speaker 3: got a.

569
00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:50,354
Speaker 1: Lot of shit.

570
00:27:50,754 --> 00:27:53,593
Speaker 3: A lot of people kind of went, you're a Twitter,

571
00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:57,674
Speaker 3: You're a snowflake. What have we trained you for? What

572
00:27:57,714 --> 00:27:59,994
Speaker 3: have we invested in if you can't just get up

573
00:28:00,034 --> 00:28:00,474
Speaker 3: and do it.

574
00:28:00,714 --> 00:28:05,234
Speaker 4: Although Naomi Orsaka said out of the Australian Open just recently,

575
00:28:05,874 --> 00:28:09,314
Speaker 4: citing a particular issue with her body, which she didn't specify,

576
00:28:09,954 --> 00:28:12,354
Speaker 4: and I don't think she got that kind of pushback.

577
00:28:12,474 --> 00:28:13,314
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

578
00:28:13,634 --> 00:28:17,674
Speaker 4: I read a quote from Lindsay where she said she

579
00:28:17,834 --> 00:28:21,154
Speaker 4: tried to sort of universalize what she had done. She said,

580
00:28:21,194 --> 00:28:24,474
Speaker 4: similar to ski racing, we take risks in life. We dream,

581
00:28:24,714 --> 00:28:28,313
Speaker 4: we love, we jump, and sometimes we fall. Sometimes our

582
00:28:28,354 --> 00:28:31,194
Speaker 4: hearts are broken. Sometimes we don't achieve the dreams we

583
00:28:31,234 --> 00:28:33,114
Speaker 4: know we could have. But that is also the beauty

584
00:28:33,154 --> 00:28:35,634
Speaker 4: of life. We can try. And I see what she's

585
00:28:35,634 --> 00:28:38,434
Speaker 4: trying to do there, because I'm sure she's sensitive to

586
00:28:38,514 --> 00:28:42,314
Speaker 4: the criticism that she's taking up a place that she's

587
00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:46,394
Speaker 4: maybe even being physically reckless, and she's trying to say,

588
00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:50,034
Speaker 4: but I'm doing this to show that you can always try,

589
00:28:50,194 --> 00:28:51,154
Speaker 4: even if you fail.

590
00:28:51,674 --> 00:28:52,154
Speaker 5: I don't know.

591
00:28:53,114 --> 00:28:56,514
Speaker 4: I don't see a lot of myself or my life

592
00:28:56,674 --> 00:29:01,874
Speaker 4: in this particular situation. I'm not necessarily buying this sort

593
00:29:01,874 --> 00:29:03,234
Speaker 4: of analogy.

594
00:29:03,474 --> 00:29:06,514
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you distill that down, it's like because

595
00:29:06,554 --> 00:29:08,634
Speaker 2: I want to do you know what I mean? It's like,

596
00:29:09,354 --> 00:29:13,994
Speaker 2: why are you competing with a broken knee and you know,

597
00:29:14,394 --> 00:29:16,714
Speaker 2: a bone bruise and this and that and an acy

598
00:29:16,954 --> 00:29:19,794
Speaker 2: like because I want to? And it's like in a

599
00:29:19,834 --> 00:29:24,354
Speaker 2: way that level of individual ambition celebrated or not.

600
00:29:24,674 --> 00:29:27,554
Speaker 3: That's the that isn't that it's certainly not that relatable

601
00:29:28,554 --> 00:29:31,834
Speaker 3: relatable Who the hell is watching the Winter Olympics because

602
00:29:31,834 --> 00:29:34,474
Speaker 3: it's relatable. I can't do anything. I look at snow

603
00:29:34,474 --> 00:29:38,154
Speaker 3: when I break my nature like I am horrified, but

604
00:29:38,194 --> 00:29:39,354
Speaker 3: I would never take any of us.

605
00:29:40,074 --> 00:29:41,474
Speaker 1: I start crying, yeah, exactly.

606
00:29:41,514 --> 00:29:45,434
Speaker 3: You get cold fingers, it's very painful. But looking at

607
00:29:45,434 --> 00:29:48,954
Speaker 3: these athletes, you just go there is something about them.

608
00:29:48,994 --> 00:29:52,154
Speaker 3: They're superhuman. And Lindsay Vaughn has been doing this for

609
00:29:52,194 --> 00:29:56,074
Speaker 3: twenty years. She knows her body, her team knows her body,

610
00:29:56,594 --> 00:30:01,114
Speaker 3: and I think I completely understand why she competed because

611
00:30:01,154 --> 00:30:04,234
Speaker 3: she probably won't ever get that opportuity like that was

612
00:30:04,234 --> 00:30:06,354
Speaker 3: probably her last I would say her last.

613
00:30:06,474 --> 00:30:07,834
Speaker 5: Gee won't get.

614
00:30:11,234 --> 00:30:16,114
Speaker 3: All those years like and there is something about showing

615
00:30:16,194 --> 00:30:20,554
Speaker 3: up in the face of adversity, like I.

616
00:30:19,994 --> 00:30:23,834
Speaker 4: Do you sedged by that idea that she's really just

617
00:30:24,154 --> 00:30:26,754
Speaker 4: doing this thing to show all of us that you

618
00:30:26,794 --> 00:30:29,234
Speaker 4: can achieve what you want to achieve, and even if

619
00:30:29,274 --> 00:30:30,114
Speaker 4: you don't, it's okay.

620
00:30:30,434 --> 00:30:33,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also that there's a stunning there's a bravery

621
00:30:33,794 --> 00:30:37,394
Speaker 3: to it, and also that that people like Lindsay vonn

622
00:30:37,554 --> 00:30:41,314
Speaker 3: feel pain and have a different relationship with their bodies

623
00:30:41,394 --> 00:30:43,354
Speaker 3: to what any of us have, which is why we

624
00:30:43,434 --> 00:30:46,034
Speaker 3: will never ski in the Olympics, Like she's.

625
00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:48,354
Speaker 2: A But your excuse for not skinning the Olympics is

626
00:30:48,354 --> 00:30:49,994
Speaker 2: because you've got a plate in your leg and you're

627
00:30:50,034 --> 00:30:53,994
Speaker 2: pregnant with twins. I say soft, I say soft.

628
00:30:54,234 --> 00:30:56,474
Speaker 3: I didn't want to bring this up. But so Lindsay

629
00:30:56,514 --> 00:30:58,954
Speaker 3: von broke a leg. Yes, who got exactly the same

630
00:30:58,954 --> 00:31:03,474
Speaker 3: injury as Lindsay you did. Yeah, so she fractured her tiber.

631
00:31:03,234 --> 00:31:05,234
Speaker 1: And look at you out there on the scheme Bye.

632
00:31:05,474 --> 00:31:08,874
Speaker 3: Tripped over a rock. Lindsay was doing something a little

633
00:31:08,874 --> 00:31:11,074
Speaker 3: bit different. She now needs to get all her surgery.

634
00:31:11,074 --> 00:31:12,874
Speaker 3: She's going to get the pull through her leg. Give

635
00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:15,474
Speaker 3: me a call, Lindsey, I can I can counsel you

636
00:31:15,554 --> 00:31:18,034
Speaker 3: through it. It's going to be a long recovery.

637
00:31:17,674 --> 00:31:18,554
Speaker 1: So much in common.

638
00:31:18,754 --> 00:31:22,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm bringing the least important segment of to day.

639
00:31:22,474 --> 00:31:23,874
Speaker 3: Oh I thought I brought penises.

640
00:31:23,954 --> 00:31:25,034
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.

641
00:31:25,674 --> 00:31:28,674
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that was that wasn't very important, but maybe

642
00:31:28,714 --> 00:31:31,634
Speaker 2: even less important than whether or not penises are essential

643
00:31:31,954 --> 00:31:37,354
Speaker 2: ballast for ski jumping is some relationship gossip. Who doesn't

644
00:31:37,434 --> 00:31:39,874
Speaker 2: like that? Okay, I've got some things to share with you.

645
00:31:39,914 --> 00:31:42,754
Speaker 2: Are you ready for a start? Immediately after the Super Bowl,

646
00:31:43,394 --> 00:31:45,514
Speaker 2: we all remember the Super Bowl except for Melia. An

647
00:31:45,514 --> 00:31:48,754
Speaker 2: American didn't wrong Holly.

648
00:31:49,234 --> 00:31:51,554
Speaker 4: Listeners should know that Holly has been grabbing me by

649
00:31:51,594 --> 00:31:53,794
Speaker 4: the shoulders all morning, begging me to watch the.

650
00:31:53,794 --> 00:31:56,994
Speaker 5: Bad Bunny halftime Show. I of course watched the Alternative

651
00:31:57,034 --> 00:31:57,754
Speaker 5: halftime show.

652
00:32:00,034 --> 00:32:01,874
Speaker 1: I came she came.

653
00:32:01,754 --> 00:32:03,394
Speaker 2: Into that, and I was like, what's it feel like

654
00:32:03,474 --> 00:32:05,434
Speaker 2: to be from the nation of Bad Bunny?

655
00:32:05,914 --> 00:32:08,714
Speaker 1: She me like that, what's crazy? Anyway?

656
00:32:08,754 --> 00:32:12,794
Speaker 2: There have been some brutal sport adjacent actually relationship stories.

657
00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:15,594
Speaker 2: So Cardi b who is a very famous artist, she

658
00:32:15,674 --> 00:32:17,474
Speaker 2: was dancing at the casino at Brand Bunny.

659
00:32:17,874 --> 00:32:18,594
Speaker 1: She goes out with.

660
00:32:18,554 --> 00:32:20,394
Speaker 2: One of the footballers who was playing on the day

661
00:32:20,474 --> 00:32:22,754
Speaker 2: and he lost and she immediately unfollowed.

662
00:32:22,394 --> 00:32:24,914
Speaker 1: Him, and I think that's awesome.

663
00:32:25,194 --> 00:32:29,434
Speaker 3: Okay, I have questions. Do we think something dramatic happened

664
00:32:29,514 --> 00:32:31,314
Speaker 3: or do you think he's a loser and she couldn't wait.

665
00:32:31,474 --> 00:32:33,594
Speaker 2: I think what had happened is Stephan Diggs, who was

666
00:32:33,594 --> 00:32:36,914
Speaker 2: playing for the Patriots. They had probably already broken up,

667
00:32:37,034 --> 00:32:39,434
Speaker 2: but she chose to wait till his lowest moment.

668
00:32:41,714 --> 00:32:44,314
Speaker 4: She would have attempted to get back together if they won,

669
00:32:45,034 --> 00:32:45,714
Speaker 4: so she was.

670
00:32:45,714 --> 00:32:49,114
Speaker 2: Like loser on follow Everyone goes, oh my god, they've

671
00:32:49,154 --> 00:32:51,754
Speaker 2: broken up. Kendall Jenner was dancing with our friend Haley

672
00:32:51,754 --> 00:32:54,554
Speaker 2: b but she has just arrived in Australia, as discussed.

673
00:32:54,914 --> 00:32:57,514
Speaker 2: But they were in the special box with your friends

674
00:32:57,634 --> 00:33:02,074
Speaker 2: Kim Kardash Lewis Hamilton who went public at Super Bowl,

675
00:33:02,314 --> 00:33:04,354
Speaker 2: and they were dancing holding hands, and I like to

676
00:33:04,394 --> 00:33:07,874
Speaker 2: think that Haley was saying, it's right, Kendall, I know

677
00:33:07,954 --> 00:33:08,314
Speaker 2: you used.

678
00:33:08,234 --> 00:33:09,514
Speaker 1: To go out with bad buddy.

679
00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:12,794
Speaker 2: Your mom will forgive you for having broken up with him,

680
00:33:12,914 --> 00:33:15,034
Speaker 2: just as he becomes the most famous man in.

681
00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:15,714
Speaker 1: The entire unit.

682
00:33:15,874 --> 00:33:17,154
Speaker 3: So Kendall broke up with him.

683
00:33:17,274 --> 00:33:19,914
Speaker 2: We don't know, Okay, they have been separated for a while,

684
00:33:19,994 --> 00:33:23,154
Speaker 2: but it's the mixed feelings in that box would have

685
00:33:23,154 --> 00:33:27,634
Speaker 2: been interesting, interesting, but particularly excellent. Right, it's a story

686
00:33:27,634 --> 00:33:30,794
Speaker 2: that is coming out of the Winter Olympics, strangely enough.

687
00:33:31,074 --> 00:33:34,354
Speaker 1: About a Norwegian by athlete. Now again, I'm so sorry.

688
00:33:34,394 --> 00:33:37,114
Speaker 2: There must be lots of sports minded out louders who

689
00:33:37,194 --> 00:33:40,394
Speaker 2: listen to us and just go what, I don't know

690
00:33:40,434 --> 00:33:41,274
Speaker 2: what to No, Yeah.

691
00:33:41,194 --> 00:33:41,874
Speaker 5: What is a bar?

692
00:33:42,034 --> 00:33:48,314
Speaker 4: I thought it's.

693
00:33:45,394 --> 00:33:46,714
Speaker 1: Two sports at the Winter Olympics.

694
00:33:46,714 --> 00:33:49,874
Speaker 2: But so when I got seeing this by athlete, I'm like,

695
00:33:49,954 --> 00:33:50,834
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

696
00:33:50,874 --> 00:33:51,594
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.

697
00:33:51,674 --> 00:33:55,434
Speaker 2: Anyway, this is about this particular Norwegian skiing event where

698
00:33:55,514 --> 00:33:57,394
Speaker 2: you ski cross country and you shoot.

699
00:33:58,234 --> 00:34:00,314
Speaker 1: So this is what this chat, That's what I.

700
00:34:00,234 --> 00:34:02,194
Speaker 5: Was doing in was.

701
00:34:04,154 --> 00:34:07,874
Speaker 2: So I'm going to do my best with I'm not

702
00:34:07,954 --> 00:34:12,514
Speaker 2: necessarily amazing on the Norwegian names. He's called Stuler home

703
00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:16,234
Speaker 2: leg led right, and he won a bronze medal and

704
00:34:16,314 --> 00:34:19,514
Speaker 2: the men's twenty kilometers event. And when he won, he

705
00:34:19,714 --> 00:34:23,994
Speaker 2: made the after event press conference all about apologizing to

706
00:34:24,114 --> 00:34:27,834
Speaker 2: his girlfriend who he had cheated on. Okay, so he

707
00:34:27,954 --> 00:34:32,274
Speaker 2: said in front of all the cameras six months ago,

708
00:34:32,394 --> 00:34:34,434
Speaker 2: I met the love of my life, the most beautiful

709
00:34:34,434 --> 00:34:37,354
Speaker 2: and kindest person in the world. Three months ago. I

710
00:34:37,474 --> 00:34:40,393
Speaker 2: made my biggest mistake and cheated on her. I told

711
00:34:40,434 --> 00:34:43,114
Speaker 2: her about it a week ago. It's been the worst

712
00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:45,834
Speaker 2: week of my life. I had a gold medal in

713
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:47,473
Speaker 2: my life and there are probably many who look at

714
00:34:47,474 --> 00:34:50,154
Speaker 2: me with different eyes, but I only have eyes for her.

715
00:34:50,874 --> 00:34:53,514
Speaker 2: Sport has come second these last few days. Yes, I

716
00:34:53,554 --> 00:34:55,634
Speaker 2: wish I could share this with her. I do not

717
00:34:55,714 --> 00:34:57,354
Speaker 2: want to say who it is. She's had enough to

718
00:34:57,394 --> 00:34:59,433
Speaker 2: deal with after last week. But I hope there is

719
00:34:59,514 --> 00:35:01,154
Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel for us both

720
00:35:01,154 --> 00:35:02,594
Speaker 2: and that she will continue to go.

721
00:35:03,394 --> 00:35:06,434
Speaker 5: Stiller, I got words for you, Stiller.

722
00:35:07,314 --> 00:35:09,873
Speaker 4: So you met the most beautiful, perfect woman of your

723
00:35:09,914 --> 00:35:11,274
Speaker 4: whole life.

724
00:35:10,954 --> 00:35:15,154
Speaker 5: And then three months took you. Three months you cheated

725
00:35:15,274 --> 00:35:15,794
Speaker 5: on her.

726
00:35:16,194 --> 00:35:17,914
Speaker 3: When you were meant to be busy training.

727
00:35:18,554 --> 00:35:23,034
Speaker 5: Well, maybe Bruna go if he wasn't so busy cheating.

728
00:35:23,994 --> 00:35:28,114
Speaker 2: Do you if you're the ex girlfriend? If this was

729
00:35:28,154 --> 00:35:30,754
Speaker 2: a rom com right, and she would have watched that,

730
00:35:30,794 --> 00:35:32,873
Speaker 2: she would be crying on the couch with her girlfriends

731
00:35:32,874 --> 00:35:35,194
Speaker 2: watching that, and then she they'd be like.

732
00:35:35,234 --> 00:35:36,154
Speaker 1: What are you going to do?

733
00:35:36,274 --> 00:35:39,114
Speaker 5: And she'd be like, I think I have to give

734
00:35:39,194 --> 00:35:40,034
Speaker 5: him another chance.

735
00:35:41,594 --> 00:35:44,634
Speaker 3: I'd be mortified. I'd be so mortified. The press is

736
00:35:44,634 --> 00:35:46,434
Speaker 3: going to be on your in a hot minute.

737
00:35:46,514 --> 00:35:47,034
Speaker 2: I like that.

738
00:35:47,154 --> 00:35:49,314
Speaker 4: He was like, I don't know if she's going to

739
00:35:49,394 --> 00:35:51,994
Speaker 4: be watching, but she was clearly watching.

740
00:35:52,154 --> 00:35:54,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's clearly going to someone's going to send it

741
00:35:54,154 --> 00:35:55,393
Speaker 3: to her and go have you seen this?

742
00:35:55,474 --> 00:35:56,354
Speaker 1: What would you if?

743
00:35:56,394 --> 00:35:57,314
Speaker 2: This is how we.

744
00:35:59,074 --> 00:36:00,314
Speaker 1: How are we reacting?

745
00:36:01,114 --> 00:36:03,514
Speaker 2: Like one week ago he told her that he cheated

746
00:36:03,514 --> 00:36:05,554
Speaker 2: and they broke up, and now he's at the Olympics

747
00:36:05,554 --> 00:36:07,073
Speaker 2: and he's not doing what would you change?

748
00:36:07,554 --> 00:36:12,034
Speaker 4: He didn't even win God noted expert on what would

749
00:36:12,034 --> 00:36:12,354
Speaker 4: you do?

750
00:36:12,954 --> 00:36:15,714
Speaker 3: Nah, I wouldn't be taking him back. I'd be I'd

751
00:36:15,754 --> 00:36:19,194
Speaker 3: be mortified by the whole thing. I think there are

752
00:36:19,234 --> 00:36:21,834
Speaker 3: particular moments in your life where you've completely lost your

753
00:36:21,834 --> 00:36:23,274
Speaker 3: mind and that man is in it, which is a

754
00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:25,154
Speaker 3: shame because this was his one moment.

755
00:36:25,274 --> 00:36:28,714
Speaker 1: I can do that to you. And though you.

756
00:36:27,954 --> 00:36:31,754
Speaker 3: Needed to not make that about you cheating because that's

757
00:36:31,754 --> 00:36:33,954
Speaker 3: irrelevant to your side.

758
00:36:34,074 --> 00:36:37,034
Speaker 1: All your friends and everyone didn't know about the cheating part.

759
00:36:37,994 --> 00:36:41,194
Speaker 5: It's so I just think the three months thing, mate.

760
00:36:41,994 --> 00:36:44,114
Speaker 3: And then why did it take you another three months

761
00:36:44,154 --> 00:36:44,714
Speaker 3: to tell her.

762
00:36:45,554 --> 00:36:49,274
Speaker 2: He said that he hoped that that committing social suicide,

763
00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:51,554
Speaker 2: which I think was him spilling all his guts in

764
00:36:51,594 --> 00:36:53,594
Speaker 2: front of the camera, would help win her back.

765
00:36:54,354 --> 00:36:56,714
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'd think so, Stella.

766
00:36:56,794 --> 00:36:58,473
Speaker 2: But we're all going to be watching and I have

767
00:36:58,594 --> 00:37:02,234
Speaker 2: one more yes, excellent bit of relationship gossip to bring

768
00:37:02,274 --> 00:37:04,674
Speaker 2: and drop on the table before you for us to

769
00:37:04,714 --> 00:37:07,314
Speaker 2: pick over our friends.

770
00:37:07,634 --> 00:37:08,074
Speaker 1: And Ben.

771
00:37:09,634 --> 00:37:11,354
Speaker 5: Holy, you need to move on.

772
00:37:11,874 --> 00:37:15,393
Speaker 2: They have been seen together many times lately. They were

773
00:37:15,394 --> 00:37:18,473
Speaker 2: photographed holding hands together walking into Jimmy Kimmel a few

774
00:37:18,514 --> 00:37:20,913
Speaker 2: weeks ago. There are been lots of signings on page six.

775
00:37:20,954 --> 00:37:23,354
Speaker 2: They've been going around New York holding hands, kissing.

776
00:37:23,914 --> 00:37:27,194
Speaker 1: They may be back together. How do we feel.

777
00:37:27,834 --> 00:37:30,994
Speaker 3: Has Matt Damon not been through enough? That poor man

778
00:37:31,194 --> 00:37:35,434
Speaker 3: is sitting there going, Ben's calling him. In fact, Ben's

779
00:37:35,434 --> 00:37:38,194
Speaker 3: on the phone to him speaking and Ben's going, when's

780
00:37:38,194 --> 00:37:39,714
Speaker 3: he gonna bring it up? And Matt's like, I'm not,

781
00:37:39,834 --> 00:37:42,194
Speaker 3: I'm actually not. I can't take that on anymore. And

782
00:37:42,274 --> 00:37:45,474
Speaker 3: his wife is going, we are done. We are done

783
00:37:45,634 --> 00:37:46,354
Speaker 3: with Jennifer.

784
00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:48,794
Speaker 2: I know. One of the best comments on the gossip

785
00:37:48,874 --> 00:37:52,074
Speaker 2: post about it was just someone saying, imagine how pissed

786
00:37:52,114 --> 00:37:53,034
Speaker 2: off their friends.

787
00:37:53,114 --> 00:37:56,913
Speaker 1: Because we all know that couple, right, We're just like, no,

788
00:37:57,394 --> 00:38:00,114
Speaker 1: should we get back together? No, we should not get

789
00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:00,874
Speaker 1: back together.

790
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:13,873
Speaker 2: Oh dear, I would like to get a letter from

791
00:38:13,914 --> 00:38:17,274
Speaker 2: Emmanuel mccrono. This is a thing that is happening, right,

792
00:38:17,874 --> 00:38:20,234
Speaker 2: I know, But I am too old, literally too old

793
00:38:20,234 --> 00:38:23,234
Speaker 2: to do that, because the French government is planning on

794
00:38:23,354 --> 00:38:26,754
Speaker 2: sending a letter to all twenty nine year olds in France.

795
00:38:27,074 --> 00:38:30,234
Speaker 2: They say letter. Do they mean letter? Do they mean email?

796
00:38:30,354 --> 00:38:31,314
Speaker 2: Do they mean a drop?

797
00:38:31,394 --> 00:38:32,514
Speaker 1: A leaflet drop in them?

798
00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:36,634
Speaker 5: It's a very chic letter on French government.

799
00:38:36,354 --> 00:38:40,114
Speaker 2: Letter send a letter to all twenty nine year olds

800
00:38:40,154 --> 00:38:43,194
Speaker 2: in the country encouraging them to have babies before it

801
00:38:43,274 --> 00:38:45,514
Speaker 2: is too late. Now we have touched on this topic

802
00:38:45,554 --> 00:38:48,274
Speaker 2: a lot lately about fertility and da da da da da.

803
00:38:48,834 --> 00:38:51,114
Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands of young people are going to receive

804
00:38:51,154 --> 00:38:55,794
Speaker 2: this letter which aims to sort of negate Franci's declining fertility,

805
00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:58,314
Speaker 2: which is an issue that very many countries are facing.

806
00:38:58,794 --> 00:39:02,234
Speaker 2: And the letter aims to provide targeted, balanced and scientifically

807
00:39:02,234 --> 00:39:06,034
Speaker 2: based information on sexual and reproductive health to avoid the

808
00:39:06,154 --> 00:39:09,354
Speaker 2: If only I had known mentality that the health ministry

809
00:39:09,434 --> 00:39:13,513
Speaker 2: are worried young people have. Crucially, France is backing this up.

810
00:39:13,914 --> 00:39:16,514
Speaker 2: Women from the age of twenty nine to thirty seven

811
00:39:16,674 --> 00:39:20,354
Speaker 2: get their egg freezing costs covered in France under a

812
00:39:20,354 --> 00:39:21,154
Speaker 2: health policy.

813
00:39:21,474 --> 00:39:24,754
Speaker 3: So that's all good, right em Vernon would much prefer

814
00:39:24,794 --> 00:39:27,674
Speaker 3: that letter than her taxes. She would be stoked to

815
00:39:27,714 --> 00:39:29,594
Speaker 3: get this letter and just go who it's not a

816
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:30,473
Speaker 3: fine this is.

817
00:39:30,434 --> 00:39:34,154
Speaker 2: An admin night that she would be really embracing. We've

818
00:39:34,194 --> 00:39:36,314
Speaker 2: talked a lot, as I said, about this lately, so

819
00:39:36,394 --> 00:39:39,114
Speaker 2: it's interesting. But what I want to know from my

820
00:39:39,194 --> 00:39:42,714
Speaker 2: two smart friends is if you could letter drop every

821
00:39:42,794 --> 00:39:47,114
Speaker 2: twenty nine year old in Australia, what would you put

822
00:39:47,194 --> 00:39:47,754
Speaker 2: in the letter?

823
00:39:48,634 --> 00:39:52,554
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like I'm constantly letter dropping my husband

824
00:39:52,674 --> 00:39:55,953
Speaker 3: who is this age. Oh he is too, and I'm

825
00:39:55,994 --> 00:40:00,114
Speaker 3: always just imbuing my wisdom on him because i do

826
00:40:00,154 --> 00:40:02,634
Speaker 3: feel as though there's something that happens in your thirties

827
00:40:02,674 --> 00:40:06,034
Speaker 3: where you just become a lot wiser than anyone pre thirty,

828
00:40:06,474 --> 00:40:11,034
Speaker 3: and so I'm always I'm telling him that after twenty nine,

829
00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:13,393
Speaker 3: I feel like your life speeds up. It feels like

830
00:40:13,514 --> 00:40:16,754
Speaker 3: something's on fast forward and everything starts going really fast

831
00:40:17,354 --> 00:40:23,634
Speaker 3: and there's this re prioritizing and also going like, oh,

832
00:40:23,994 --> 00:40:26,394
Speaker 3: maybe you have more of a sense of time, maybe

833
00:40:26,714 --> 00:40:28,873
Speaker 3: you know your parents are getting a little bit old

834
00:40:28,954 --> 00:40:31,914
Speaker 3: or whatever. You have more of a sense of spending

835
00:40:31,954 --> 00:40:36,194
Speaker 3: it intentionally. But I would also say it's not long

836
00:40:36,274 --> 00:40:40,114
Speaker 3: before you're going to start hearing things like bone density, ah,

837
00:40:40,154 --> 00:40:43,433
Speaker 3: and how important it is to do your weight training. Holy,

838
00:40:43,514 --> 00:40:48,274
Speaker 3: you'll tell you. And if you're lost my thing. I

839
00:40:48,314 --> 00:40:51,274
Speaker 3: spoke at my old high school this morning, and this

840
00:40:51,314 --> 00:40:53,953
Speaker 3: is one of the things I said. If you are

841
00:40:54,114 --> 00:40:57,354
Speaker 3: feeling lost at twenty nine and you're just kind of going,

842
00:40:58,154 --> 00:40:59,514
Speaker 3: what do I do next?

843
00:40:59,594 --> 00:41:01,274
Speaker 1: I don't know what my journey is whatever.

844
00:41:01,274 --> 00:41:02,714
Speaker 2: The kids in your high school, by the way, would

845
00:41:02,714 --> 00:41:04,194
Speaker 2: have been like twenty nine.

846
00:41:04,514 --> 00:41:05,554
Speaker 1: But I need to walk in.

847
00:41:08,234 --> 00:41:10,874
Speaker 3: Then think back to who you were at five, because

848
00:41:10,914 --> 00:41:14,114
Speaker 3: I think there's always a hint there about who you are,

849
00:41:14,234 --> 00:41:16,074
Speaker 3: like the truest sense of yourself, and you try and

850
00:41:16,114 --> 00:41:19,674
Speaker 3: get away from the person that you were, even at school.

851
00:41:19,714 --> 00:41:21,393
Speaker 3: I feel like your twenties are about trying to get

852
00:41:21,434 --> 00:41:24,034
Speaker 3: away from who you were as a kid or as

853
00:41:24,074 --> 00:41:26,514
Speaker 3: an adolescent, And like, I couldn't even look at pictures

854
00:41:26,554 --> 00:41:28,393
Speaker 3: of me with all my dental work, and you know,

855
00:41:28,794 --> 00:41:31,953
Speaker 3: like the awkwardness and the insecurity of that period, and

856
00:41:31,954 --> 00:41:34,674
Speaker 3: then you go, oh, she actually knew what was up,

857
00:41:34,954 --> 00:41:36,594
Speaker 3: Like I actually want to get back to that fourteen

858
00:41:36,674 --> 00:41:38,553
Speaker 3: year old who was really weird and quirky and people

859
00:41:38,594 --> 00:41:40,473
Speaker 3: gave her a hard time, Like, I think she's got

860
00:41:40,514 --> 00:41:44,314
Speaker 3: more integrity than all the different identities you try on

861
00:41:44,434 --> 00:41:45,594
Speaker 3: through your twenties.

862
00:41:46,794 --> 00:41:48,913
Speaker 4: I do think twenty nine it is a bit of

863
00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:52,594
Speaker 4: a turning point. Yeah, not least because particularly for women.

864
00:41:52,634 --> 00:41:54,354
Speaker 4: I loved that the French government, by the way, sentence

865
00:41:54,394 --> 00:41:55,794
Speaker 4: to men and women, Yes.

866
00:41:55,594 --> 00:41:58,194
Speaker 2: Not just women, or did that It's going to everybody

867
00:41:58,234 --> 00:42:01,994
Speaker 2: and maybe not Emmanuel himself, but they've said we want

868
00:42:02,194 --> 00:42:04,474
Speaker 2: all French people to be aware of the biological clocks.

869
00:42:04,514 --> 00:42:07,714
Speaker 2: We know male and female biological clocks different, but men

870
00:42:07,754 --> 00:42:08,194
Speaker 2: have them too.

871
00:42:09,114 --> 00:42:11,913
Speaker 5: I bet biological clock sounds great in friends, much better.

872
00:42:11,914 --> 00:42:13,514
Speaker 5: Wish I knew what that was anyway.

873
00:42:13,594 --> 00:42:18,354
Speaker 4: I think at twenty nine people start telling women in particular,

874
00:42:18,674 --> 00:42:23,513
Speaker 4: don't panic, which of course made me panic because you're

875
00:42:23,594 --> 00:42:25,954
Speaker 4: just going about your life and then all of a

876
00:42:25,994 --> 00:42:29,714
Speaker 4: sudden people start saying you have time. But that makes

877
00:42:29,754 --> 00:42:32,874
Speaker 4: me panic because I wasn't even thinking about time until

878
00:42:32,874 --> 00:42:35,594
Speaker 4: I turned twenty nine and started thinking about it. Apparently

879
00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:40,754
Speaker 4: Kendall Jenner, who we just spoke about, some wisdom from

880
00:42:40,834 --> 00:42:44,873
Speaker 4: Kendall I am. She's all of thirty now. She designated

881
00:42:44,914 --> 00:42:48,234
Speaker 4: twenty nine as the year she chose herself. And that's

882
00:42:48,314 --> 00:42:50,074
Speaker 4: exactly what I said at twenty nine when I was

883
00:42:50,074 --> 00:42:51,154
Speaker 4: broken up with Well, I.

884
00:42:51,074 --> 00:42:53,034
Speaker 3: Wonder what Kendall Jenna was doing at twenty eight.

885
00:42:54,994 --> 00:42:57,674
Speaker 5: She was choosing bad bunny. That was the issue.

886
00:42:57,994 --> 00:43:00,674
Speaker 4: And so I thought long and hard about actually useful

887
00:43:00,674 --> 00:43:04,034
Speaker 4: advice to tell twenty nine year olds all across Australia.

888
00:43:04,074 --> 00:43:04,754
Speaker 5: And here it is.

889
00:43:05,074 --> 00:43:08,473
Speaker 4: You are about to start being deep confused about what

890
00:43:08,594 --> 00:43:13,433
Speaker 4: jeans to wear. Welcome, Welcome to the age of Jean's confusion. Yeah.

891
00:43:13,474 --> 00:43:14,913
Speaker 5: It's only going to get worse from here.

892
00:43:15,234 --> 00:43:19,554
Speaker 3: Yeah not okay, more than jeans those songs parts that

893
00:43:19,674 --> 00:43:23,033
Speaker 3: Maya is wearing that are like what would you call them,

894
00:43:23,074 --> 00:43:24,194
Speaker 3: like cutoffs like.

895
00:43:24,114 --> 00:43:25,954
Speaker 1: She's wearing so obviously this isn't a.

896
00:43:27,194 --> 00:43:29,473
Speaker 2: But she Maya has been getting around the office all

897
00:43:29,474 --> 00:43:33,154
Speaker 2: week in these really big baggy they're jawts, really, but

898
00:43:33,154 --> 00:43:38,354
Speaker 2: they're not jawts. They're like big baggy Bermuda shorts, visible socks,

899
00:43:38,674 --> 00:43:39,514
Speaker 2: and sand shoes.

900
00:43:39,634 --> 00:43:41,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confused.

901
00:43:41,074 --> 00:43:44,154
Speaker 1: But she is dressing like my thirteen year old son exactly.

902
00:43:44,394 --> 00:43:47,314
Speaker 4: Anyway, what would you tell twenty nine year olds.

903
00:43:48,234 --> 00:43:51,474
Speaker 2: I think you're right about that, but you see, you

904
00:43:51,514 --> 00:43:52,234
Speaker 2: wouldn't like me.

905
00:43:52,354 --> 00:43:54,474
Speaker 5: Because I you say, don't panic.

906
00:43:54,554 --> 00:43:57,674
Speaker 2: I say, thirty isn't a deadline, and forty isn't a deadline. Everybody,

907
00:43:57,874 --> 00:44:00,194
Speaker 2: all the young women that I know and have worked

908
00:44:00,234 --> 00:44:00,594
Speaker 2: with like that.

909
00:44:00,794 --> 00:44:02,274
Speaker 1: That's my genuine advice.

910
00:44:02,434 --> 00:44:02,953
Speaker 5: Is there's this.

911
00:44:03,434 --> 00:44:06,074
Speaker 2: I think that the panic is deeply unhelpful. It might

912
00:44:06,114 --> 00:44:07,994
Speaker 2: have worked out well if you go, I've got to

913
00:44:07,994 --> 00:44:09,434
Speaker 2: get married and I've got to change my job, and

914
00:44:09,434 --> 00:44:10,954
Speaker 2: I've got to do it, and you picked all the

915
00:44:10,994 --> 00:44:13,634
Speaker 2: right things, but panic can put you in very You

916
00:44:13,674 --> 00:44:16,354
Speaker 2: can make some very bad choices if you're like thinking.

917
00:44:16,674 --> 00:44:18,234
Speaker 2: I said, before I was thirty, I was going to

918
00:44:18,434 --> 00:44:20,274
Speaker 2: X Y Z, and I haven't, and so I have

919
00:44:20,394 --> 00:44:23,834
Speaker 2: to Lots of interesting things will continue to happen to

920
00:44:23,874 --> 00:44:25,314
Speaker 2: you after you turn thirty.

921
00:44:25,314 --> 00:44:26,994
Speaker 1: So I would say that from a serious point of.

922
00:44:26,994 --> 00:44:31,234
Speaker 2: View, But I would say, also eat more protein so

923
00:44:31,274 --> 00:44:33,674
Speaker 2: you don't have to mainline it in your forties, which

924
00:44:33,674 --> 00:44:36,674
Speaker 2: we have discussed a lot lately to take lots and

925
00:44:36,714 --> 00:44:37,074
Speaker 2: lots of.

926
00:44:36,994 --> 00:44:37,714
Speaker 1: Pictures of yourself.

927
00:44:37,714 --> 00:44:39,674
Speaker 2: This used to be good advice, but now everyone does

928
00:44:39,714 --> 00:44:42,394
Speaker 2: take lots and lots of pictures of themselves. But because

929
00:44:42,714 --> 00:44:45,074
Speaker 2: there is nothing true. It's such a cliche. But every

930
00:44:45,074 --> 00:44:47,034
Speaker 2: time I see a photo of myself, even from a

931
00:44:47,074 --> 00:44:49,634
Speaker 2: year ago, five years ago, ten years ago, I can

932
00:44:49,674 --> 00:44:52,434
Speaker 2: picture exactly what I thought of myself and my body

933
00:44:52,434 --> 00:44:54,834
Speaker 2: and my face in that moment. And when I look

934
00:44:54,874 --> 00:44:55,994
Speaker 2: at it from here, I'm.

935
00:44:55,794 --> 00:44:56,513
Speaker 1: Just like you.

936
00:44:56,874 --> 00:44:57,834
Speaker 3: That was the young week.

937
00:44:57,914 --> 00:45:00,194
Speaker 2: But also but I feel compassionate. I was like you,

938
00:45:00,274 --> 00:45:03,754
Speaker 2: sweet darling, you have no idea, like you look fucking great. Yeah,

939
00:45:03,794 --> 00:45:05,993
Speaker 2: all those twenty nine year olds, That's what I'd say

940
00:45:06,034 --> 00:45:07,714
Speaker 2: in the message, you look fucking great.

941
00:45:07,954 --> 00:45:08,194
Speaker 1: Yep.

942
00:45:08,434 --> 00:45:10,593
Speaker 5: Oh, every twenty nine year old looks so hot.

943
00:45:10,754 --> 00:45:12,634
Speaker 1: Every twenty nine year old looks so hot.

944
00:45:12,794 --> 00:45:15,554
Speaker 3: Just don't wear a bra like I just think it's

945
00:45:15,714 --> 00:45:16,513
Speaker 3: like if Nora.

946
00:45:16,594 --> 00:45:18,834
Speaker 4: Everyone said, basically, if you're in your twenties, you should

947
00:45:18,874 --> 00:45:20,114
Speaker 4: be wearing a bikini every day.

948
00:45:20,474 --> 00:45:21,434
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so true.

949
00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:24,114
Speaker 2: I agree, and I think, kind of fuck it is

950
00:45:24,434 --> 00:45:26,674
Speaker 2: that I still think. I don't think you have to

951
00:45:26,714 --> 00:45:29,114
Speaker 2: be like I'm tipping into thirty, so now I have

952
00:45:29,154 --> 00:45:32,554
Speaker 2: to get serious, like no, be be that five year

953
00:45:32,554 --> 00:45:33,034
Speaker 2: old person.

954
00:45:33,074 --> 00:45:34,314
Speaker 1: That's what I say, be that five years.

955
00:45:34,394 --> 00:45:37,794
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine the existential crisis this letter appearing

956
00:45:37,794 --> 00:45:39,393
Speaker 2: in your in your mailbox, though.

957
00:45:39,394 --> 00:45:41,354
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, you know, like you used to?

958
00:45:41,514 --> 00:45:43,834
Speaker 2: Maybe you still do if you turn one hundred, get

959
00:45:43,874 --> 00:45:46,794
Speaker 2: a telegram from the Queen slash king now and it's

960
00:45:46,794 --> 00:45:49,034
Speaker 2: something to aspire to. And I can just imagine all

961
00:45:49,034 --> 00:45:52,114
Speaker 2: these young people like going, oh no, I'm nearly at

962
00:45:52,114 --> 00:45:55,194
Speaker 2: the time when I get the letter from the problem Minister.

963
00:45:55,594 --> 00:45:58,834
Speaker 4: They're French, They're used to existential crises every day.

964
00:45:58,874 --> 00:46:02,074
Speaker 3: It's I just I can't think of anything less sexy

965
00:46:02,434 --> 00:46:04,834
Speaker 3: than the been a manual.

966
00:46:06,634 --> 00:46:08,514
Speaker 5: I don't know, I think that's fairly sexy.

967
00:46:08,794 --> 00:46:11,873
Speaker 3: We'll just send a photo with you shut off macarn

968
00:46:12,114 --> 00:46:13,914
Speaker 3: like that might be sexier for people.

969
00:46:14,274 --> 00:46:16,354
Speaker 1: Make more little French men like me.

970
00:46:16,874 --> 00:46:20,634
Speaker 3: Here's here's me. Here's a few pigs from the winters.

971
00:46:20,674 --> 00:46:22,953
Speaker 3: He's quite little, and here's a link to the Bad

972
00:46:22,954 --> 00:46:26,114
Speaker 3: Bunny performance. Get it on. That's gonna do more for

973
00:46:26,154 --> 00:46:29,514
Speaker 3: the birth rate than a weird letter with your letter head, Oh.

974
00:46:29,314 --> 00:46:33,554
Speaker 1: Dear, maybe thankfully that's all we've got today. That was

975
00:46:33,594 --> 00:46:37,034
Speaker 1: a show that went all over the place. Thank you

976
00:46:37,114 --> 00:46:39,194
Speaker 1: out Louders for being here with us through all that.

977
00:46:39,314 --> 00:46:41,034
Speaker 2: Thank you to Meyvie less of a coming back and

978
00:46:41,114 --> 00:46:43,794
Speaker 2: straight off a plane, straight off your.

979
00:46:43,714 --> 00:46:46,394
Speaker 5: Talk about pushing the limits of the possible.

980
00:46:48,154 --> 00:46:51,914
Speaker 2: Vonn right now, straight off your Hailey Baldwin flight with

981
00:46:52,194 --> 00:46:55,994
Speaker 2: Baba Oh. That was a throwback beab flight to be

982
00:46:56,114 --> 00:46:58,194
Speaker 2: with us, and thanks for brilliant team for helping us

983
00:46:58,194 --> 00:47:00,714
Speaker 2: put it together. As always, we'll be back in your

984
00:47:00,714 --> 00:47:01,554
Speaker 2: ears tomorrow.

985
00:47:01,834 --> 00:47:12,314
Speaker 3: Bye. Marmyer acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

986
00:47:12,394 --> 00:47:14,234
Speaker 3: which we have recorded this podcast.