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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie for parents and carers in Victoria, Queensland, South

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Speaker 1: Australia and the Northern Territory. The class of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five has already begun for the rest of the country.

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Speaker 1: This week is when they'll be sending their little cherubs

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Speaker 1: back to the classroom for term one. If you don't

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Speaker 1: have kids and you're thinking about having them, there are

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Speaker 1: lessons to be learned from the seasoned school mum and

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Speaker 1: dad about how to make the best cost effective decisions

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Speaker 1: when you're sending the kids back to school, because it

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Speaker 1: can get really expensive depending on a whole bunch of factors.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into what those factors are in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but first here's the latest from the Quikie newsroom. Monday,

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Speaker 1: February three, there are reports that the Palace will stop

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Speaker 1: releasing details of the Princess of Wales's outfits during her

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Speaker 1: royal engagements. According to The Sunday Times, Princess Catherine is

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Speaker 1: frustrated by the focus on her style rather than the

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Speaker 1: substance of her work. The report saying the Palace may

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Speaker 1: still give some detail on outfits and jewelry for important

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Speaker 1: state or family events, but that her other public engagements

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Speaker 1: will remain outfit detail free. The move will be a

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Speaker 1: blow to brands who've seen sales spike when the details

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Speaker 1: of the Princess's outfits have been released, but a source

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Speaker 1: from Kensington Palace says Catherine wants the focus to be

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Speaker 1: on the really important issues, the people and the causes

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Speaker 1: she's spotlighting. Queensland as are again being worn to stay

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Speaker 1: away from floodwater after a woman was killed amid the

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Speaker 1: state's emergency warnings and evacuations. Heavy rain is impacting large

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Speaker 1: areas of North Queensland from Mackay to just south of Cannes,

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Speaker 1: with emergency warnings in place for six Townsville suburbs known

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Speaker 1: the closure of the Townsville airport. A sixty three year

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Speaker 1: when the boat they were in hit a tree and flipped.

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Speaker 1: There's more rain expected today and tomorrow was a slow

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Speaker 1: moving low pressure system and monsoonle trough continue across the state. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Wa South Australia, the Northern Territory, the Act, New South Wales,

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Speaker 1: wave as temperatures hit the high thirties early forties. Severe

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Speaker 1: across the globe as US President Donald Trump signed an

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Speaker 1: order to impose tariffs on imports from Mexico, Canada, and China.

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Speaker 1: Trump posted on his social media that the tariffs were

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Speaker 1: necessary to protect Americans, saying it was to also pressure

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Speaker 1: reduce illegal immigrants. That's despite promising voters that he would

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Speaker 1: lower the price of groceries, petrol, housing, and vehicles. If

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Speaker 1: are wrongful actions. Beyonce has announced she'll be taking her

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Speaker 1: end of her Netflix Beyonce Bowl Specialie if This was

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Speaker 1: it's back to school time for the entire country, and

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Speaker 1: we're finding out that a cost of living crisis has

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Speaker 1: on earth we can all afford this In a cost

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Speaker 1: of living crisis, parents will collectively spend thirteen point six

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Speaker 1: billion dollars on school related expenses this year. The average

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Speaker 1: cost per child does vary dramatically between primary and secondary education,

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Speaker 1: supplies and one thousand, one hundred and forty nine for

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Speaker 1: secondary students. School uniforms are the highest expense, at two

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Speaker 1: The kicker is the fees. For my two kids, it's

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Speaker 3: I have triplets that have started high school this year,

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Speaker 3: which has been hugely financially draining. Three laptops, two seven

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Speaker 3: school fees. Our youngest is starting high school this year,

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Speaker 3: so an expensive year eight hundred dollars new iPad for one,

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars for summer uniforms. One summer shirt is fifty dollars.

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Speaker 1: Brothers, though it seems back to school has been barely

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Speaker 1: a lift our daughters going into year one, we do

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Speaker 4: Twin attends a Steinus school and every year the startup

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Speaker 1: There also seems to be some serious inconsistencies between one

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Speaker 5: Our primary state school is zoned, it requires a full

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Speaker 5: whiteboard markers, a ream of reflex only, a four paper

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Speaker 3: The government's school in the next zone over from US

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Speaker 1: Tuition fees of course, very across the Australian education sectors.

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Speaker 1: Before those of you who don't have kids say, isn't

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Speaker 1: public school free, well it's not exactly, but it is

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Speaker 1: cheaper than sending your kids. Private public primary schools charge

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Speaker 1: aged children, representing around eight hundred and sixty nine thousand households,

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Speaker 1: report that they cannot afford back to school expenses this year,

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Speaker 1: some thought to be around fifteen percent of parents will

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Speaker 1: their children will just have to go without. So how

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Speaker 2: Okay, well it is possible, Claire Murphy. Secondhand uniforms Now,

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Speaker 2: most schools mine definitely does. Once a term they hold

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Speaker 2: a secondhand uniform sale. Like I'm talking five dollar jumpers

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Speaker 2: when they're usually fifty five. Like, it's literally the cheapest

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Speaker 1: Also, my school has a parents of the School Facebook

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Speaker 1: page and there's often people doing clear outs of secondhand

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Speaker 1: for free. I've got like five school dresses for nothing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you do the girl math on that,

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Speaker 2: you've literally made money.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. That's the uniform part. But what about the shoes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so shop around for shoes because I don't know

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Speaker 2: about you, but my kids they don't usually outgrow the shoe.

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Speaker 2: The shoe literally falls apart, So you don't need the

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Speaker 2: most expensive ones because they're running around playing handball, they

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Speaker 2: literally get holes in them, So you don't need the

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Speaker 2: most expensive shoes. You can get cheap shoes.

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Speaker 1: Also, some of the big retail stores like Kmart and

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Speaker 1: BW have pretty good quality ones for like twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: forty bucks compared to over one hundred that you might

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Speaker 1: pay in another store. And also I would love someone

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Speaker 1: to explain to me what kids do to make the

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Speaker 1: top of the front of their shoes wear down so quickly? Like,

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Speaker 1: what are they doing?

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Speaker 2: It's handball, I swear, because it's when they sort of

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Speaker 2: like lunge to get the ball, the whole front gets

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Speaker 2: scuffed and mine literally get holes in the sides as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. It also could be that they sit

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Speaker 1: about school lunches, can we make them more affordable?

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Speaker 2: We can. Look, I'm not the best at school lunches.

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Speaker 2: I'm a pantry panicer. But you can actually lean on

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Speaker 2: your new friend like chat GPT, so it actually just

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Speaker 2: removes the mental load for you. You can just prompt it

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Speaker 2: and say, can you give me a food budget for

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Speaker 2: the week and give me a shopping list for school

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Speaker 2: lunches that saves money, that's nutritious and healthy, and it

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Speaker 2: literally just does it for you.

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Speaker 1: I asked this prompt when I heard about this, and

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Speaker 1: not only did it give me like a full menu,

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Speaker 1: it told me how to cook the parts of the menu,

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Speaker 1: and it gave me a downloadable shopping list. Thank you, AI.

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Speaker 1: But I understand. We've also had some suggestions from other

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Speaker 2: So I had never thought about this. Beck centers in

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Speaker 1: Not for that is something I never considered and wish

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. It's secondhand so there are so many websites.

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Speaker 2: You can get them on Facebook, Marketplace or eBay, or

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Speaker 2: there are shops that have refurbished ones. You don't need

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's one that I would love to be

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Speaker 2: Stars with pin wheels, with the toothpicks. Everything looks beautiful

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Speaker 1: In response to these mounting costs, the Australian Greens have

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Speaker 1: just announced a ten billion dollar plan to make public

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Speaker 1: education truly free. They want to completely abolish public school

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Speaker 1: fees and make an eight hundred dollar per child annual

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Speaker 1: payment available for school supplies. Under this plan, a family

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Thanks for taking the time to

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Speaker 1: feed your mind with us today. The Quiki is produced

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Speaker 1: by me Claire Murphy and our executive producer Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 1: with audio production by Lou Hill.