1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:18,984 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:27,424 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this bill, 4 00:00:27,544 --> 00:00:30,864 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick, and today 5 00:00:30,904 --> 00:00:33,024 Speaker 1: we are joined by our returning guest. 6 00:00:32,744 --> 00:00:35,704 Speaker 2: Host, him Becauseenia Luki. It's very nice to be back 7 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:36,184 Speaker 2: ere with you. 8 00:00:36,384 --> 00:00:38,744 Speaker 1: And you're hearing our special kind of makeshift studio. I 9 00:00:38,744 --> 00:00:40,744 Speaker 1: love telling people we're not in our normal studio. I 10 00:00:40,784 --> 00:00:42,584 Speaker 1: feel like we're having a therapy session. We're sitting on 11 00:00:42,584 --> 00:00:45,424 Speaker 1: a couch, their handheld MIC's like lounging back and by 12 00:00:45,464 --> 00:00:46,824 Speaker 1: the end of the pot I might be on the floor. 13 00:00:47,024 --> 00:00:48,824 Speaker 3: This is very comfortable for me. I might kick off 14 00:00:48,864 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 3: my shoes in a minute. 15 00:00:50,064 --> 00:00:51,704 Speaker 2: Oh god, do that. Yeah, it's great. 16 00:00:51,944 --> 00:00:54,744 Speaker 3: But yeah, I've just come from recording Diary of a Birth, 17 00:00:54,904 --> 00:00:55,264 Speaker 3: which is. 18 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:58,504 Speaker 2: Another Muma mea podcast. Yes, just put that out there. 19 00:00:59,024 --> 00:01:00,824 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's nice to come back here and chat 20 00:01:00,864 --> 00:01:01,104 Speaker 2: with you. 21 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:02,904 Speaker 1: A bit of a pot twist from Diary of Birth 22 00:01:02,984 --> 00:01:05,504 Speaker 1: to celebrity and TV and film, but you know, all 23 00:01:05,584 --> 00:01:07,184 Speaker 1: high stakes, you know what. 24 00:01:07,264 --> 00:01:07,784 Speaker 2: We love it all. 25 00:01:07,904 --> 00:01:09,824 Speaker 1: Well, coming up on the show today. Can you believe 26 00:01:09,824 --> 00:01:12,344 Speaker 1: it's only been a week since Megan Michael's TV show. 27 00:01:12,384 --> 00:01:14,584 Speaker 1: Her Netflix series has been in the world a week 28 00:01:14,584 --> 00:01:16,824 Speaker 1: ago today. 29 00:01:17,904 --> 00:01:22,104 Speaker 4: I've always loved taking something pretty ordinary and elevating it, 30 00:01:23,544 --> 00:01:26,544 Speaker 4: surprising people with moments that let them know I was 31 00:01:26,584 --> 00:01:28,544 Speaker 4: really thinking of them. 32 00:01:28,984 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 3: All I've been seeing on my TikTok feed and the 33 00:01:31,624 --> 00:01:34,784 Speaker 3: news is just all about Megan Markle. 34 00:01:34,984 --> 00:01:36,664 Speaker 1: So for today's show, we're going to go through all 35 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:39,384 Speaker 1: of the fallout because because it's Megan Mirkele, so many 36 00:01:39,424 --> 00:01:42,384 Speaker 1: people have waited in, so many people have theories, and 37 00:01:42,584 --> 00:01:44,824 Speaker 1: we have a second season coming, which has just been 38 00:01:44,824 --> 00:01:47,944 Speaker 1: announced that Megan Marco herself announced. I've started following her 39 00:01:47,984 --> 00:01:49,744 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Now at first I didn't because I thought 40 00:01:49,744 --> 00:01:52,384 Speaker 1: she's never going to post, But now that she's actually 41 00:01:52,464 --> 00:01:54,104 Speaker 1: dropping a few little nuggets, I was like, Okay, I 42 00:01:54,144 --> 00:01:56,984 Speaker 1: throw a follow. And she announced her show by having 43 00:01:56,984 --> 00:01:59,624 Speaker 1: a cap that said let us remain calm. 44 00:02:00,344 --> 00:02:04,024 Speaker 3: Yeah, let us as in letters and then romaine as 45 00:02:04,064 --> 00:02:05,584 Speaker 3: in the type of lettuce. 46 00:02:05,784 --> 00:02:09,184 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very her though, like it's very silly, but 47 00:02:09,264 --> 00:02:10,984 Speaker 1: it's like very her brand, And I thought, do you 48 00:02:10,984 --> 00:02:11,344 Speaker 1: know what. 49 00:02:11,304 --> 00:02:14,864 Speaker 3: Though, it feels like twenty ten's you know that keep 50 00:02:14,904 --> 00:02:17,384 Speaker 3: calm and carry on. That's the vibe that I get 51 00:02:17,424 --> 00:02:19,304 Speaker 3: from the whole show, to be honest. 52 00:02:19,624 --> 00:02:22,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think because she was denied access to 53 00:02:22,144 --> 00:02:24,144 Speaker 1: her Instagram account for so long, and I feel like 54 00:02:24,184 --> 00:02:25,744 Speaker 1: for her that was like having her arm cut off. 55 00:02:25,744 --> 00:02:28,664 Speaker 1: Like that woman loves Instagram, she loves a filter, she 56 00:02:28,704 --> 00:02:31,504 Speaker 1: loves a font, she loves an inspirational quote. And the 57 00:02:31,504 --> 00:02:33,264 Speaker 1: fact that she didn't have that for long, she's like 58 00:02:33,304 --> 00:02:35,704 Speaker 1: almost regressed back to like five years ago and when 59 00:02:35,704 --> 00:02:37,624 Speaker 1: I got taken away from her. But at least it 60 00:02:37,664 --> 00:02:39,464 Speaker 1: does feel like her because it looks like the stuff 61 00:02:39,464 --> 00:02:41,624 Speaker 1: that was on the Tig over ten years ago. 62 00:02:41,944 --> 00:02:43,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no denying that she's always had a 63 00:02:43,944 --> 00:02:47,024 Speaker 3: passion for this, because she had this blog called The 64 00:02:47,064 --> 00:02:50,344 Speaker 3: Tig when she was in Toronto shooting suits, and so 65 00:02:50,384 --> 00:02:52,584 Speaker 3: we know that this is something that she's been passionate about. 66 00:02:52,624 --> 00:02:55,424 Speaker 3: So it's not completely out of the blue. But I 67 00:02:55,544 --> 00:02:58,784 Speaker 3: was interested with the season two renewal that this was 68 00:02:58,824 --> 00:03:01,664 Speaker 3: actually started filming like a couple of weeks after season one. 69 00:03:01,864 --> 00:03:03,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, they filmed it all, which I think for her 70 00:03:03,824 --> 00:03:05,464 Speaker 1: is good and bad. I guess Netflix knew it was 71 00:03:05,464 --> 00:03:07,344 Speaker 1: going to be a big hit, and it has. There's 72 00:03:07,384 --> 00:03:09,224 Speaker 1: a lot of chat that I think it's peaked around 73 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:11,944 Speaker 1: it went up to and now it's mostly at number 74 00:03:11,944 --> 00:03:15,544 Speaker 1: seven on the international Netflix charts, and I think a 75 00:03:15,584 --> 00:03:16,904 Speaker 1: lot of people thought it was going to go to 76 00:03:16,984 --> 00:03:19,104 Speaker 1: number one. But still being on the top charts is 77 00:03:19,144 --> 00:03:21,104 Speaker 1: quite good. But what I think is interesting is that 78 00:03:21,104 --> 00:03:23,904 Speaker 1: they've already filmed season two. So that's good and bad 79 00:03:23,944 --> 00:03:26,304 Speaker 1: because I guess, like if she's read all the reviews 80 00:03:26,464 --> 00:03:28,384 Speaker 1: going into season two, like I think you'd be so 81 00:03:28,504 --> 00:03:30,584 Speaker 1: in your head of like people thought I was too 82 00:03:30,584 --> 00:03:32,464 Speaker 1: silly doing this and they thought I did that, and 83 00:03:32,464 --> 00:03:35,504 Speaker 1: like you might be too anxious knowing all the feedback. 84 00:03:35,824 --> 00:03:37,944 Speaker 1: But the other thing is now that they can't course 85 00:03:37,984 --> 00:03:40,224 Speaker 1: correct because it's already been filmed, So all the pushback 86 00:03:40,264 --> 00:03:41,624 Speaker 1: they had the first time, they're going to have the 87 00:03:41,664 --> 00:03:42,184 Speaker 1: second time. 88 00:03:42,384 --> 00:03:43,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I. 89 00:03:43,024 --> 00:03:46,744 Speaker 3: Think also the fact that Netflix didn't see the response. 90 00:03:46,784 --> 00:03:49,784 Speaker 3: I mean, I understand that it's been in the top ten, 91 00:03:49,864 --> 00:03:53,224 Speaker 3: but I don't know how inflated those numbers are, Like 92 00:03:53,424 --> 00:03:54,784 Speaker 3: when any. 93 00:03:54,624 --> 00:03:56,584 Speaker 1: Two times for work, so I might have bumped it 94 00:03:56,664 --> 00:03:57,024 Speaker 1: up a bit. 95 00:03:57,184 --> 00:04:00,904 Speaker 3: My feeling is that anytime a show is new from Netflix, 96 00:04:00,944 --> 00:04:03,984 Speaker 3: particularly if it's been produced by Netflix, there is a 97 00:04:03,984 --> 00:04:06,824 Speaker 3: little inflation of the numbers because they want people to 98 00:04:06,904 --> 00:04:10,584 Speaker 3: watch these new shows. And I definitely think there's a 99 00:04:10,584 --> 00:04:12,344 Speaker 3: bit of guilt, not guilt viewing. 100 00:04:12,504 --> 00:04:13,464 Speaker 2: I think that's right that. 101 00:04:13,544 --> 00:04:16,944 Speaker 3: I hate watching Yeah, because people really love to hate 102 00:04:16,984 --> 00:04:17,664 Speaker 3: Megan Markle. 103 00:04:17,784 --> 00:04:19,664 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, and I think the hate was kind of 104 00:04:19,904 --> 00:04:22,064 Speaker 1: ingrained in people before the show started, so a lot 105 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:24,744 Speaker 1: of people went in with that mentality of I'm going 106 00:04:24,824 --> 00:04:26,704 Speaker 1: to watch this and also be on my phone at 107 00:04:26,704 --> 00:04:29,704 Speaker 1: the same time looking at like hate articles. It's almost 108 00:04:29,704 --> 00:04:31,384 Speaker 1: like a communal thing, like we all love a bit 109 00:04:31,424 --> 00:04:33,424 Speaker 1: of gossip, we all love a bit of centering on 110 00:04:33,464 --> 00:04:35,744 Speaker 1: this one conversation, and then she's kind of pre set 111 00:04:35,824 --> 00:04:37,664 Speaker 1: up for us to hate. It's so funny because we 112 00:04:37,704 --> 00:04:39,904 Speaker 1: did so much content around it, with pods and articles 113 00:04:39,904 --> 00:04:42,224 Speaker 1: and things. I was reading all the comments and I 114 00:04:42,224 --> 00:04:44,904 Speaker 1: find that people just fall so into two camps, like 115 00:04:44,944 --> 00:04:47,304 Speaker 1: they either hated the show so much and they hate 116 00:04:47,304 --> 00:04:49,784 Speaker 1: her and they think everything she does is a lie, 117 00:04:49,984 --> 00:04:52,224 Speaker 1: or they love her and they think she's so authentic 118 00:04:52,264 --> 00:04:54,704 Speaker 1: and they found the show so soothing. It's like two 119 00:04:54,944 --> 00:04:55,784 Speaker 1: very different sides. 120 00:04:55,824 --> 00:04:58,264 Speaker 2: Do you remember when people used to live tweet shows. 121 00:04:58,424 --> 00:04:59,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the time. 122 00:05:01,064 --> 00:05:03,344 Speaker 3: That's just jumped off and no one does that anymore. 123 00:05:03,384 --> 00:05:05,344 Speaker 3: But that was a real thing for a long time. 124 00:05:05,744 --> 00:05:09,064 Speaker 3: It's interesting that you talk about authenticity because when I 125 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:15,584 Speaker 3: watch it, I see something very calculated. It doesn't feel 126 00:05:15,584 --> 00:05:16,304 Speaker 3: authentic to me. 127 00:05:16,624 --> 00:05:17,104 Speaker 1: Interesting. 128 00:05:17,584 --> 00:05:21,424 Speaker 3: It's the jumper over the shoulders and the you know, Oh, 129 00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:23,704 Speaker 3: I'm so busy, I forgot to make this. I'm going 130 00:05:23,784 --> 00:05:25,344 Speaker 3: to just quickly whip up a fratata. 131 00:05:25,544 --> 00:05:28,264 Speaker 1: I loved the whipping up a last minute emergency fratata. 132 00:05:28,864 --> 00:05:31,664 Speaker 3: Come on, like, we're not stupid. We know that you've 133 00:05:31,664 --> 00:05:35,464 Speaker 3: had this in the production schedule. This isn't even your house. 134 00:05:35,944 --> 00:05:38,584 Speaker 1: Okay. People are really set on the house thing, right, 135 00:05:38,664 --> 00:05:39,224 Speaker 1: But well, she's. 136 00:05:39,104 --> 00:05:41,144 Speaker 3: Not going to use her use her house. Of course, 137 00:05:41,184 --> 00:05:42,424 Speaker 3: she's not going to use her house. That's not what 138 00:05:42,464 --> 00:05:44,104 Speaker 3: I have an issue with. What I have an issue 139 00:05:44,104 --> 00:05:46,984 Speaker 3: with is that, oh, I've just run downstairs. Oh I 140 00:05:47,064 --> 00:05:48,904 Speaker 3: totally forgot that they were coming over. So I'm just 141 00:05:48,904 --> 00:05:52,704 Speaker 3: going to whip up a fratata like it feels forced 142 00:05:52,824 --> 00:05:55,224 Speaker 3: to me. And maybe I'm being too harsh. And I 143 00:05:55,264 --> 00:05:57,264 Speaker 3: know that people really love to hate her and I'm 144 00:05:57,584 --> 00:06:00,184 Speaker 3: trying not to be too hateful. 145 00:06:01,464 --> 00:06:02,744 Speaker 1: I don't save couch, let it out. 146 00:06:02,824 --> 00:06:05,704 Speaker 3: I don't hate her. There's absolutely no hate there. I 147 00:06:05,864 --> 00:06:10,064 Speaker 3: just don't feel any authenticity from it. It feels really 148 00:06:10,344 --> 00:06:12,104 Speaker 3: twenty tens. I feel like this would have done really 149 00:06:12,144 --> 00:06:16,824 Speaker 3: well ten fifteen years ago. But I think in today's environment, 150 00:06:16,984 --> 00:06:21,064 Speaker 3: particularly when you're talking about influences and celebrities that are 151 00:06:21,104 --> 00:06:24,584 Speaker 3: really doing well are the ones that are showing their 152 00:06:25,064 --> 00:06:28,424 Speaker 3: flaws all of the real Stuffana Nana. 153 00:06:28,384 --> 00:06:31,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting what you're saying about the authenticity, because 154 00:06:31,584 --> 00:06:34,384 Speaker 1: that's something that like her biggest attractors have said. And 155 00:06:34,504 --> 00:06:38,424 Speaker 1: those biggest attractors include, of course her family, Thomas Markle 156 00:06:38,504 --> 00:06:42,344 Speaker 1: in particular, her brother, and also Thomas Markel Senior, her father. 157 00:06:42,864 --> 00:06:45,104 Speaker 1: So these men tend to come out of the woodwork 158 00:06:45,144 --> 00:06:48,624 Speaker 1: whenever she's in the spotlight, and it's almost like kind 159 00:06:48,624 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 1: of like a such a well formed dance at this 160 00:06:50,304 --> 00:06:53,104 Speaker 1: stage that Megan does something, the Daily Mail goes to 161 00:06:53,184 --> 00:06:55,464 Speaker 1: Thomas mark or her father, who they must have on 162 00:06:55,544 --> 00:06:58,224 Speaker 1: speed dial at this point in time, and he will 163 00:06:58,304 --> 00:07:00,624 Speaker 1: just sort of say everything that they want him to say, 164 00:07:00,664 --> 00:07:02,864 Speaker 1: and he will voice everything that people want to hear 165 00:07:02,904 --> 00:07:05,784 Speaker 1: about her. And I don't know their family dynamic, but 166 00:07:05,824 --> 00:07:09,224 Speaker 1: I just think with everything's happened, it's almost like he 167 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:12,704 Speaker 1: is so ready to kind of just give these publications 168 00:07:12,704 --> 00:07:15,584 Speaker 1: that he's been working with for so long exactly what 169 00:07:15,624 --> 00:07:18,504 Speaker 1: they want to hear. And so in this case, he 170 00:07:18,504 --> 00:07:20,504 Speaker 1: said he hasn't watched the show, but he's seen enough 171 00:07:20,544 --> 00:07:23,024 Speaker 1: clips that he feels like he's across it. I think 172 00:07:23,024 --> 00:07:24,464 Speaker 1: this is what a lot of people kind of wanted 173 00:07:24,464 --> 00:07:27,864 Speaker 1: to hear or suspected. Her father said, Unfortunately, Megan has 174 00:07:27,904 --> 00:07:30,704 Speaker 1: never been authentic. She has to think about everything. She's 175 00:07:30,744 --> 00:07:34,464 Speaker 1: not spontaneous. Everything she says is pre planned and rehearsed. 176 00:07:34,744 --> 00:07:36,824 Speaker 1: And it makes me laugh because I know all her 177 00:07:36,864 --> 00:07:39,624 Speaker 1: looks and expressions. And then he went on to say 178 00:07:39,664 --> 00:07:41,624 Speaker 1: that she's been faking it for the cameras and that 179 00:07:41,664 --> 00:07:43,704 Speaker 1: she's bad in front of a camera and she tenses 180 00:07:43,784 --> 00:07:46,304 Speaker 1: up every time it's on her. And then he gets 181 00:07:46,344 --> 00:07:48,464 Speaker 1: into critique and cooking shows, which I thought was a 182 00:07:48,464 --> 00:07:50,264 Speaker 1: bit of I know he worked in TV for years, 183 00:07:50,264 --> 00:07:52,464 Speaker 1: he was a lighting director, but he went on to 184 00:07:52,464 --> 00:07:55,504 Speaker 1: say that cooking shows are horrendously boring unless the presenter 185 00:07:55,544 --> 00:07:58,264 Speaker 1: has a passion for it and basically saying that she 186 00:07:58,304 --> 00:08:01,264 Speaker 1: doesn't have any kind of passion for what she's doing. 187 00:08:01,624 --> 00:08:03,144 Speaker 2: To be honest, just really sad. 188 00:08:03,624 --> 00:08:07,264 Speaker 3: It's really sad to have your father talk like that 189 00:08:07,344 --> 00:08:09,064 Speaker 3: about you, because that is scathing. 190 00:08:09,304 --> 00:08:10,304 Speaker 1: It is really bad. 191 00:08:10,424 --> 00:08:12,704 Speaker 3: And despite the fact that I may not think that 192 00:08:12,944 --> 00:08:16,504 Speaker 3: Meghan is authentic, I would expect her family to be 193 00:08:16,584 --> 00:08:20,384 Speaker 3: supportive of her. And it's really sad that her dad 194 00:08:20,664 --> 00:08:25,184 Speaker 3: has gone to the public that's really awful, a really 195 00:08:25,184 --> 00:08:26,224 Speaker 3: awful thing to say about your. 196 00:08:26,184 --> 00:08:29,264 Speaker 1: Daughter that pub His interview feels quite unnecessary because it's 197 00:08:29,264 --> 00:08:31,264 Speaker 1: a critique of her in front of the camera, and 198 00:08:31,264 --> 00:08:33,424 Speaker 1: in that stage, I know people like to assign blame, 199 00:08:33,504 --> 00:08:34,944 Speaker 1: but in that stage that I was like, well, one 200 00:08:34,944 --> 00:08:36,864 Speaker 1: person here is making a cooking show, whether you like 201 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:38,864 Speaker 1: it or not, just making a cooking show. The other 202 00:08:38,944 --> 00:08:42,184 Speaker 1: person is doing a publicy trail about how terrible his 203 00:08:42,304 --> 00:08:44,544 Speaker 1: daughter is on camera. So I'm like, in that case, 204 00:08:44,544 --> 00:08:46,864 Speaker 1: there's a clear right and wrong. Where I think the 205 00:08:46,864 --> 00:08:50,024 Speaker 1: story gets interesting is so much of Meghan's show was 206 00:08:50,064 --> 00:08:52,784 Speaker 1: about her talking about her upbringing, her life, and a 207 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:54,864 Speaker 1: lot of people have really zeried in on the fact 208 00:08:55,184 --> 00:08:57,504 Speaker 1: that she talks a lot about being a latchkey kid. 209 00:08:57,544 --> 00:08:59,544 Speaker 1: She talks a lot about eating a lot of junk food, 210 00:08:59,584 --> 00:09:03,464 Speaker 1: unhealthy food growing up, and she talks about eating TV dinners, 211 00:09:03,464 --> 00:09:06,224 Speaker 1: which she describes as like not nurturing her love of 212 00:09:06,224 --> 00:09:09,304 Speaker 1: food and not being nutritious. And in the same interview, 213 00:09:09,384 --> 00:09:11,224 Speaker 1: Thomas Mirkle came out and said she was never a 214 00:09:11,304 --> 00:09:13,664 Speaker 1: latch key kid. He's like, I picked her up from 215 00:09:13,704 --> 00:09:15,464 Speaker 1: school every day. If I couldn't pick her up, I 216 00:09:15,504 --> 00:09:17,744 Speaker 1: sent a car to get her. We were doing really 217 00:09:17,744 --> 00:09:19,984 Speaker 1: well because I was working two jobs, so we would 218 00:09:20,024 --> 00:09:21,784 Speaker 1: go out to dinner a lot as a family, or 219 00:09:21,824 --> 00:09:23,864 Speaker 1: we would order in. And he said, we had the 220 00:09:23,904 --> 00:09:27,424 Speaker 1: occasional TV meal, but nothing like she's describing. So that's 221 00:09:27,464 --> 00:09:29,304 Speaker 1: the part he's really kind of hit out at. 222 00:09:29,584 --> 00:09:33,024 Speaker 3: I think that that's a challenge because we all know 223 00:09:33,104 --> 00:09:36,784 Speaker 3: that boomers can sometimes have their own interpretation of what 224 00:09:36,824 --> 00:09:39,344 Speaker 3: a childhood was like, well, I did my best with you, darling. 225 00:09:39,384 --> 00:09:41,864 Speaker 3: I'm sorry I was such a awful mother or father. 226 00:09:42,224 --> 00:09:44,384 Speaker 3: We know that there's that whole trope. But I think 227 00:09:44,464 --> 00:09:47,784 Speaker 3: what is fascinating is that you know, these detectives on 228 00:09:47,904 --> 00:09:50,864 Speaker 3: social media, they are going deep and they're just doing 229 00:09:51,384 --> 00:09:53,584 Speaker 3: Here's what she said in the Cooking Show, and here's 230 00:09:53,624 --> 00:09:57,144 Speaker 3: what she said five years ago, saying that she had 231 00:09:57,224 --> 00:09:59,864 Speaker 3: lots of really home cooked meals. So I think it 232 00:09:59,904 --> 00:10:04,144 Speaker 3: calls into question again what her motives are, what's the 233 00:10:04,224 --> 00:10:07,784 Speaker 3: story she's trying to tell, and why she trying so 234 00:10:08,184 --> 00:10:12,064 Speaker 3: hard to maintain this narrative of this is. 235 00:10:12,024 --> 00:10:14,624 Speaker 1: Who I am, Yeah, exactly. I don't know if it's 236 00:10:14,664 --> 00:10:17,744 Speaker 1: quite as nefarious and sneaky as some people think it is. 237 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:20,104 Speaker 1: I think what's happened is that maybe she's just got 238 00:10:20,104 --> 00:10:22,624 Speaker 1: into that narrative for the Cooking Show and she's thinking about, 239 00:10:22,624 --> 00:10:24,624 Speaker 1: like us, one period in her life where they ate 240 00:10:24,664 --> 00:10:26,584 Speaker 1: a lot of TV dinners and that just fits with 241 00:10:26,664 --> 00:10:28,944 Speaker 1: her love of food and her narrative when in the 242 00:10:29,024 --> 00:10:31,184 Speaker 1: past maybe she's been talking about living with her mother, 243 00:10:31,224 --> 00:10:33,784 Speaker 1: who she talks about really really close to Now maybe 244 00:10:33,824 --> 00:10:36,024 Speaker 1: in that sense she talked about their home cooking. And 245 00:10:36,104 --> 00:10:37,944 Speaker 1: I just think that there's probably a lot of different 246 00:10:38,024 --> 00:10:40,464 Speaker 1: versions of her life that she brings out at different times, 247 00:10:40,504 --> 00:10:43,424 Speaker 1: like as most people do. But because everything's being tracked 248 00:10:43,464 --> 00:10:47,384 Speaker 1: so closely, it's kind of looking like she's lying, Whereas 249 00:10:47,504 --> 00:10:50,704 Speaker 1: she's probably just as we all do, embellishing parts of 250 00:10:50,704 --> 00:10:51,104 Speaker 1: her life. 251 00:10:51,144 --> 00:10:54,704 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that she's lying. I just think she's again. 252 00:10:54,784 --> 00:10:58,904 Speaker 3: I'm going back to this. It's this polished version which 253 00:10:59,264 --> 00:11:02,144 Speaker 3: was really popular fifteen years ago. I mean, you think 254 00:11:02,184 --> 00:11:04,784 Speaker 3: about the instagrams and. 255 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:06,544 Speaker 2: The grid had to look perfect. 256 00:11:06,664 --> 00:11:12,344 Speaker 3: Everything is manufactured and put down to a t and 257 00:11:12,824 --> 00:11:15,744 Speaker 3: people aren't responding to that as much anymore. And I 258 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:20,104 Speaker 3: think that's for me where the core of the dislike 259 00:11:20,184 --> 00:11:23,904 Speaker 3: for Megan is. I mean, we have to talk about 260 00:11:24,064 --> 00:11:25,024 Speaker 3: Mindy Kaling. 261 00:11:24,864 --> 00:11:27,184 Speaker 1: Yes, because that's been the other so going through the fallout, 262 00:11:27,224 --> 00:11:29,544 Speaker 1: it's the family stuff and then it's Mindy Kaling, who, 263 00:11:29,944 --> 00:11:32,184 Speaker 1: unfortunately or maybe fortunately for her because she gets to 264 00:11:32,184 --> 00:11:33,824 Speaker 1: talk about it, doesn't do a lot of press. But 265 00:11:33,864 --> 00:11:36,624 Speaker 1: at the moment because Running Point, her TV show, which 266 00:11:36,664 --> 00:11:39,344 Speaker 1: is also on Netflix, has gone to number one, they've 267 00:11:39,344 --> 00:11:41,864 Speaker 1: just announced a second season, so she's doing press for that, 268 00:11:41,984 --> 00:11:44,424 Speaker 1: which means she's having to field a lot of Megan questions. 269 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,024 Speaker 3: She went and did an interview on the view By 270 00:11:47,064 --> 00:11:50,144 Speaker 3: the way, she looks amazing, she looks great. The majority 271 00:11:50,144 --> 00:11:52,784 Speaker 3: of the interview was about Running Point and about her 272 00:11:52,864 --> 00:11:56,904 Speaker 3: Hollywood star on the Walk of Fame, and the very 273 00:11:57,064 --> 00:12:00,744 Speaker 3: very quick comment she had was about Oh. 274 00:12:00,784 --> 00:12:02,544 Speaker 2: I don't even really remember, and. 275 00:12:02,504 --> 00:12:04,264 Speaker 5: I think people forget how much you're behind the scenes 276 00:12:04,264 --> 00:12:05,424 Speaker 5: because you're producing so much. 277 00:12:05,424 --> 00:12:06,064 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 278 00:12:06,144 --> 00:12:08,144 Speaker 5: But I was also excited to see you on the screen. 279 00:12:08,424 --> 00:12:11,424 Speaker 1: You were on Megan Markeles Show with Love Meghan. What 280 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:12,224 Speaker 1: was that experience? 281 00:12:12,344 --> 00:12:15,864 Speaker 5: Like, you know, I had a great time. I noticed 282 00:12:15,984 --> 00:12:19,864 Speaker 5: that whenever I do something anything related to Megan, it 283 00:12:19,904 --> 00:12:24,224 Speaker 5: becomes like big news, big news, big news, and selfishly 284 00:12:25,784 --> 00:12:29,464 Speaker 5: we're making sandwiches, sandwiches, and you know, then they'll push 285 00:12:29,504 --> 00:12:31,384 Speaker 5: in on my face on TikTok and they'll be like, 286 00:12:31,624 --> 00:12:34,544 Speaker 5: look at how this emotion you felt. And I honestly 287 00:12:34,624 --> 00:12:36,464 Speaker 5: didn't even remember it because we shot it like nine 288 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,824 Speaker 5: months ago. I loved my time with Meghan. I'm also like, 289 00:12:39,904 --> 00:12:43,344 Speaker 5: let her promote her show on her talk about it 290 00:12:43,424 --> 00:12:46,664 Speaker 5: was it was great and it's it's really fascinating seeing 291 00:12:46,784 --> 00:12:47,224 Speaker 5: the reaction. 292 00:12:47,584 --> 00:12:49,784 Speaker 3: So that is an expert in media training just then 293 00:12:49,864 --> 00:12:54,224 Speaker 3: indic expert expert media training. Oh yeah, yeah, no, you 294 00:12:54,304 --> 00:12:56,504 Speaker 3: know that's so funny, but I really want to focus 295 00:12:56,504 --> 00:12:57,064 Speaker 3: on my show. 296 00:12:57,144 --> 00:13:01,944 Speaker 2: It's actually very well done. Cheese redirected quite well. 297 00:13:01,904 --> 00:13:04,264 Speaker 3: Because clearly she just doesn't really want to talk about it. 298 00:13:04,664 --> 00:13:08,304 Speaker 3: The clip that has been reposted a million times is 299 00:13:08,464 --> 00:13:10,744 Speaker 3: the one where she says, oh, you know that I'm 300 00:13:10,744 --> 00:13:12,744 Speaker 3: a Sussex now, so let's have a quick listen of that. 301 00:13:12,824 --> 00:13:14,984 Speaker 5: I don't think anyone in the world knows that Megan 302 00:13:15,024 --> 00:13:17,504 Speaker 5: Mikle has eaten Jack in the box and. 303 00:13:17,584 --> 00:13:19,784 Speaker 6: Loves funny too, that you keep saying, Megan Markele, you 304 00:13:19,824 --> 00:13:23,304 Speaker 6: know I'm Sussex. Now you have kids and you go, no, 305 00:13:23,424 --> 00:13:26,344 Speaker 6: I share my name with my children. Yes, And that 306 00:13:26,424 --> 00:13:29,664 Speaker 6: feels so. I didn't know how meaningful it would be 307 00:13:29,664 --> 00:13:32,744 Speaker 6: to me, but it just means so much to go 308 00:13:33,184 --> 00:13:36,424 Speaker 6: this is our family name, our little family name. 309 00:13:36,744 --> 00:13:38,784 Speaker 5: Well, now I know, and I love it. 310 00:13:38,984 --> 00:13:41,944 Speaker 3: People always blow these things up way bigger than they are. 311 00:13:42,424 --> 00:13:45,824 Speaker 3: But I think why people are zoning in, zeroing in 312 00:13:46,064 --> 00:13:49,904 Speaker 3: I should say so much on these is the fact 313 00:13:49,904 --> 00:13:52,504 Speaker 3: that she's actually not a Sussex. She's the Duchess of Sussex. 314 00:13:52,504 --> 00:13:56,064 Speaker 3: But her surname is not Sussex. Yes, that surname is 315 00:13:56,224 --> 00:13:57,424 Speaker 3: Mount Batton, Windsor. 316 00:13:57,744 --> 00:13:59,664 Speaker 1: That's been such a point of contention, and it's so 317 00:13:59,664 --> 00:14:02,104 Speaker 1: funny because we talked about that on a previous episode 318 00:14:02,144 --> 00:14:04,224 Speaker 1: The Spill and released a clip and it's just got 319 00:14:04,304 --> 00:14:07,344 Speaker 1: hundreds of comments of people being like, her name's not Sussex, 320 00:14:07,424 --> 00:14:09,064 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, no, no, we're not saying her name 321 00:14:09,104 --> 00:14:11,424 Speaker 1: is Sussex. She's saying her name. You'll have to take 322 00:14:11,424 --> 00:14:13,864 Speaker 1: that up with her whether that's actually correct or not. 323 00:14:13,944 --> 00:14:16,864 Speaker 1: Her words were like, this is our family name. And 324 00:14:16,984 --> 00:14:19,064 Speaker 1: it's so funny because like, obviously the royals are just 325 00:14:19,104 --> 00:14:23,424 Speaker 1: not commenting on anything right now, but Prince Charles's cousin, 326 00:14:23,704 --> 00:14:25,424 Speaker 1: all these cousins and fathers coming out. 327 00:14:25,304 --> 00:14:28,224 Speaker 2: Of the world, so many to breed. 328 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:32,144 Speaker 1: Lord, I've a Mount Batton King Charles oh second cousin, 329 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:34,224 Speaker 1: So he's just really trying to get in the spotlight. 330 00:14:34,464 --> 00:14:36,664 Speaker 1: Did an interview with Town and Country where he said 331 00:14:36,864 --> 00:14:39,864 Speaker 1: she's completely incorrect. Her family name is not Sussex, it's 332 00:14:39,904 --> 00:14:43,584 Speaker 1: Mount Baton Windsor, and her children are Archie and Lily Bet, 333 00:14:43,624 --> 00:14:45,984 Speaker 1: which I still can't go to the name Mountain Batton Windsor, 334 00:14:46,304 --> 00:14:48,744 Speaker 1: and Sussex is her title, which I know a lot 335 00:14:48,824 --> 00:14:50,744 Speaker 1: of people have said, but like that's the only person 336 00:14:50,944 --> 00:14:52,704 Speaker 1: of the royal family who has come out and said 337 00:14:52,744 --> 00:14:55,944 Speaker 1: that maybe they've all changed their name to Sussex. You 338 00:14:55,984 --> 00:14:58,384 Speaker 1: have sometimes a family will just completely like adopt a 339 00:14:58,424 --> 00:14:59,184 Speaker 1: new family name. 340 00:14:59,864 --> 00:15:02,984 Speaker 3: Sure, perhaps that's the case, show us your passport, show 341 00:15:03,064 --> 00:15:06,184 Speaker 3: us your birthday, Nagan. Look, maybe it's something that is 342 00:15:06,304 --> 00:15:09,344 Speaker 3: not that important, but I think it just adds to 343 00:15:09,424 --> 00:15:12,584 Speaker 3: people's fuel for I hate her so much because she 344 00:15:13,384 --> 00:15:15,784 Speaker 3: wants to be private and away from the royal family, 345 00:15:15,824 --> 00:15:18,784 Speaker 3: but she's really doubling down on this such a sussex thing. 346 00:15:18,904 --> 00:15:21,544 Speaker 3: So I think the reason why a lot of people 347 00:15:21,584 --> 00:15:24,584 Speaker 3: are so upset is just because of this, Like I 348 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:28,344 Speaker 3: don't want all of the royal duties, but I want 349 00:15:28,384 --> 00:15:28,904 Speaker 3: the title. 350 00:15:29,304 --> 00:15:31,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, to an extent. I know it's hard to like 351 00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:33,224 Speaker 1: wade back through everything it happened, but I think a 352 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:34,744 Speaker 1: lot of people sort of say, like, oh, no, they 353 00:15:34,784 --> 00:15:36,944 Speaker 1: wanted privacy, they wanted to be away from the spotlight. 354 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:39,424 Speaker 1: But if you read like their initial press release, all 355 00:15:39,464 --> 00:15:41,584 Speaker 1: they said was they wanted to be part time working 356 00:15:41,664 --> 00:15:45,664 Speaker 1: royals and so still serve the Queen, but pay for 357 00:15:45,704 --> 00:15:48,184 Speaker 1: their own security and things, so that they weren't beholden 358 00:15:48,544 --> 00:15:50,864 Speaker 1: to the Commonwealth by taking money from them, and that 359 00:15:50,904 --> 00:15:53,264 Speaker 1: they wanted to take a step back. Which is interesting 360 00:15:53,264 --> 00:15:55,264 Speaker 1: because now are like, you know, so many of these comments, 361 00:15:55,304 --> 00:15:56,824 Speaker 1: like they said they wanted to step away from it, 362 00:15:56,824 --> 00:15:58,944 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, they didn't. If anything, they said 363 00:15:58,944 --> 00:16:00,704 Speaker 1: they wanted to like be in the spotlight, but not 364 00:16:00,784 --> 00:16:03,824 Speaker 1: have like the royal protocol behind their scenes because they 365 00:16:03,864 --> 00:16:06,384 Speaker 1: still have their Sussex title, And I know she gets 366 00:16:06,384 --> 00:16:08,424 Speaker 1: a lot of hate for using that, but you know, 367 00:16:08,424 --> 00:16:10,664 Speaker 1: I guess that is her official title. All I can 368 00:16:10,704 --> 00:16:13,344 Speaker 1: think is maybe they've just all adopted the name Sussex 369 00:16:13,384 --> 00:16:15,504 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I mean, they talk about their kids 370 00:16:15,504 --> 00:16:17,904 Speaker 1: going to school now and primary school or prep or 371 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:20,584 Speaker 1: whatever they have there, and maybe at school they're Archie 372 00:16:20,624 --> 00:16:22,944 Speaker 1: and Lily Sussex. Maybe that's like the name they go by. 373 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,144 Speaker 1: But what's more interesting than the fact they've changed their 374 00:16:25,224 --> 00:16:27,544 Speaker 1: name is that they edit the show, and she's an 375 00:16:27,544 --> 00:16:30,024 Speaker 1: executive producer, so she would have a lot of say 376 00:16:30,144 --> 00:16:33,544 Speaker 1: over which parts stay in and for each of those guests. 377 00:16:33,624 --> 00:16:35,504 Speaker 1: If you read the production notes, they film with them 378 00:16:35,544 --> 00:16:37,384 Speaker 1: for hours and hours an hours and we only see 379 00:16:37,384 --> 00:16:41,144 Speaker 1: a small snippet. So they've all collectively chose to keep 380 00:16:41,184 --> 00:16:43,624 Speaker 1: that Sussex part in there. So they must have really 381 00:16:43,664 --> 00:16:46,344 Speaker 1: wanted it, because everyone's like, oh, Mindy looks so awkward, 382 00:16:46,384 --> 00:16:47,504 Speaker 1: and she know what to do and I was like, well, 383 00:16:47,504 --> 00:16:49,544 Speaker 1: it's a pre film show, like and then we saw 384 00:16:49,544 --> 00:16:51,384 Speaker 1: it months later. They could have taken it out if 385 00:16:51,424 --> 00:16:53,224 Speaker 1: they wanted to, Like they obviously wanted it to be 386 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 1: in there, whether they knew it was going to blow 387 00:16:55,264 --> 00:16:57,264 Speaker 1: up like this or not. But then when she was 388 00:16:57,304 --> 00:16:59,384 Speaker 1: doing her press rounds afterwards, like when she went into 389 00:16:59,384 --> 00:17:03,024 Speaker 1: the Drew Barrymore Show, they very pointedly introduced her as 390 00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:05,424 Speaker 1: Megan Sussex every time she came out, and she's never 391 00:17:05,504 --> 00:17:07,944 Speaker 1: had that, Like She's done a few public things recently, 392 00:17:08,184 --> 00:17:11,024 Speaker 1: and that's the first time. So maybe after the show ed, 393 00:17:11,344 --> 00:17:12,944 Speaker 1: they decided to really double down. 394 00:17:13,224 --> 00:17:15,344 Speaker 3: Perhaps you know, you're right, maybe they did just change 395 00:17:15,384 --> 00:17:17,984 Speaker 3: their name, you know, by deep pol or whatever to Sussex. 396 00:17:18,024 --> 00:17:19,304 Speaker 2: That could very well be the case. 397 00:17:19,904 --> 00:17:22,384 Speaker 3: I just think that, Look, there's a lot of hate 398 00:17:22,384 --> 00:17:26,664 Speaker 3: on Megan Markle, and it is just such a difficult 399 00:17:27,384 --> 00:17:31,464 Speaker 3: one to dissect because I think there's so many different 400 00:17:31,824 --> 00:17:35,024 Speaker 3: opinions on it. I think, for me, I'm just like 401 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:37,864 Speaker 3: get that bag, like get your money, do what you 402 00:17:37,864 --> 00:17:41,184 Speaker 3: want to do with Netflix. But she's not dumb, she's 403 00:17:41,184 --> 00:17:44,744 Speaker 3: a smart woman. She has to know that. This is 404 00:17:44,784 --> 00:17:47,064 Speaker 3: what the response was shortly she's not delusional. 405 00:17:47,144 --> 00:17:50,064 Speaker 1: After yes, I'm sure to an extent, she knew that 406 00:17:50,104 --> 00:17:51,704 Speaker 1: there was gonna be a lot of criticism. I wonder 407 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:54,504 Speaker 1: if she thought that the actual trade publications would because 408 00:17:54,504 --> 00:17:56,664 Speaker 1: they're skating, like I'm sure she would thought that people 409 00:17:56,704 --> 00:17:59,144 Speaker 1: who hate her, like the public would leave terrible comments. 410 00:17:59,504 --> 00:18:01,424 Speaker 1: And I'm sure she's not looking at all of those, 411 00:18:01,504 --> 00:18:03,024 Speaker 1: or maybe she is. I don't know, but I think 412 00:18:03,064 --> 00:18:05,664 Speaker 1: it was more like Hollywood Reporter and Variety and all 413 00:18:05,704 --> 00:18:08,664 Speaker 1: these kind of publications with like full time film and 414 00:18:08,704 --> 00:18:11,584 Speaker 1: TV critics, like they don't go after people from personal 415 00:18:11,624 --> 00:18:13,824 Speaker 1: like their whole job is just to review shows. And 416 00:18:13,904 --> 00:18:16,584 Speaker 1: I think the fact that their reviews were very scathing 417 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:19,344 Speaker 1: and the fact that they said the production was bad 418 00:18:19,424 --> 00:18:20,944 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, I wonder if that 419 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:23,024 Speaker 1: hits home a little bit more because it's not just 420 00:18:23,064 --> 00:18:23,984 Speaker 1: the people on the internet. 421 00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:25,904 Speaker 2: I'm curious, did you like the show? 422 00:18:26,784 --> 00:18:29,864 Speaker 1: It's actually so hard to say, because I was just 423 00:18:30,024 --> 00:18:32,144 Speaker 1: watching it for work, like I really was, Like I 424 00:18:32,224 --> 00:18:34,984 Speaker 1: also watched every episode in one go because it came 425 00:18:34,984 --> 00:18:38,504 Speaker 1: out on Tuesday. Netflix wouldn't give anyone screeners, which they 426 00:18:38,584 --> 00:18:42,624 Speaker 1: do purposely when they're worried. I mean, allegedly. Allegedly they 427 00:18:42,624 --> 00:18:44,744 Speaker 1: do on purpose because they don't want a whole bunch 428 00:18:44,784 --> 00:18:46,944 Speaker 1: of bad reviews to come out the week before the show. 429 00:18:47,344 --> 00:18:49,584 Speaker 1: So instead of something like Running Point, which they put 430 00:18:49,624 --> 00:18:51,824 Speaker 1: onto my Netflix account like two weeks before it came 431 00:18:51,864 --> 00:18:53,784 Speaker 1: out so I could watch all the episodes, I had 432 00:18:53,824 --> 00:18:56,144 Speaker 1: to go home watch Megan's show all in one go. 433 00:18:56,224 --> 00:18:59,424 Speaker 1: Finished about three am. I was having nightmares about flowers 434 00:18:59,464 --> 00:19:03,624 Speaker 1: and Ladybird cupcakes. But I think it's fine. I'm not 435 00:19:03,624 --> 00:19:06,384 Speaker 1: the target audience for it. I thought it was interesting 436 00:19:06,424 --> 00:19:08,584 Speaker 1: how they chose to like really break the fourth wall 437 00:19:08,624 --> 00:19:11,344 Speaker 1: and show the camera crew and show her interacting, and 438 00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:13,704 Speaker 1: I think that was trying to make her feel more relatable. 439 00:19:14,064 --> 00:19:15,864 Speaker 1: I think for it to work as a TV show, 440 00:19:15,944 --> 00:19:18,024 Speaker 1: it needs to go completely in the other direction. It 441 00:19:18,064 --> 00:19:21,664 Speaker 1: needed to be more decadent, more over the top, more 442 00:19:21,784 --> 00:19:24,664 Speaker 1: kind of in this fantasy world. But I understand why 443 00:19:24,704 --> 00:19:26,624 Speaker 1: she's too scared to do that. But that's why someone 444 00:19:26,664 --> 00:19:28,584 Speaker 1: like a Gwyneth Paltrow can get away with this sort 445 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:30,584 Speaker 1: of stuff. She can be like, here's all the crazy 446 00:19:30,584 --> 00:19:33,544 Speaker 1: stuff I'm cooking, here's my crazy expensive outfits and my 447 00:19:33,624 --> 00:19:36,304 Speaker 1: crazy life. Except for when she does some crazy diet stuff, 448 00:19:36,304 --> 00:19:39,064 Speaker 1: but everything else everyone's like, oh, Gwyneth, you're crazy rich lady. 449 00:19:39,464 --> 00:19:41,784 Speaker 1: Like it's almost like she's not apologizing for it, and 450 00:19:41,824 --> 00:19:43,544 Speaker 1: she's not trying to like say I'm doing this for 451 00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:46,304 Speaker 1: a greater cause. She's just like, here's my fancy food 452 00:19:46,304 --> 00:19:48,104 Speaker 1: that you kind of forward, and people love her for it, 453 00:19:48,384 --> 00:19:50,824 Speaker 1: whereas with Megan, she's got one foot on each side 454 00:19:50,824 --> 00:19:53,384 Speaker 1: of the road. She's like, I'm relatable and down to earth. 455 00:19:53,424 --> 00:19:55,784 Speaker 1: This is my decadent lifestyle. So maybe I don't know. 456 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:58,344 Speaker 1: They've already filmed season two, but I feel like it 457 00:19:58,384 --> 00:20:00,984 Speaker 1: needs to be crazier, it needs to be more decadent, 458 00:20:01,104 --> 00:20:03,024 Speaker 1: more rich, just like stop trying to be relatable. 459 00:20:03,144 --> 00:20:06,624 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look a little fruit rainbow is adorable. Yeah, 460 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:08,304 Speaker 3: it's great for a kid's birthday party. 461 00:20:08,384 --> 00:20:10,664 Speaker 2: It's super cute. I loved it. It was really cue. 462 00:20:10,664 --> 00:20:13,424 Speaker 3: Actually, do you know what those little ladybird little I mean, 463 00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:14,184 Speaker 3: that's great. 464 00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:15,824 Speaker 1: That was the best episode by far. 465 00:20:15,944 --> 00:20:16,984 Speaker 2: They looked really cute. 466 00:20:17,024 --> 00:20:17,704 Speaker 1: I will say that. 467 00:20:18,184 --> 00:20:20,984 Speaker 3: But the rainbow thing is like good or bad, so 468 00:20:21,064 --> 00:20:22,304 Speaker 3: you know, I mean it's not groundbreaking. 469 00:20:22,624 --> 00:20:25,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's I think everything was so like 470 00:20:25,384 --> 00:20:27,384 Speaker 1: there's one scene where she's just taking some nuts and 471 00:20:27,424 --> 00:20:29,544 Speaker 1: putting them in a different bag. But I was like, 472 00:20:29,584 --> 00:20:31,504 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's relatable if that's what you do. 473 00:20:31,584 --> 00:20:32,304 Speaker 1: But weird TV. 474 00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:34,144 Speaker 2: Do you know what it reminds me of? 475 00:20:34,304 --> 00:20:35,624 Speaker 3: You know how there was all those people who were 476 00:20:35,664 --> 00:20:37,464 Speaker 3: doing like these specialist ice cubes. 477 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:38,504 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. 478 00:20:38,544 --> 00:20:40,424 Speaker 2: And there's that guy on tiktot who's like, how do. 479 00:20:40,424 --> 00:20:43,504 Speaker 7: You measure wealth in this world? I'll tell you by 480 00:20:43,704 --> 00:20:47,424 Speaker 7: somebody's ability to restock the ice freezer, to have a 481 00:20:47,464 --> 00:20:51,584 Speaker 7: separate freezer with different flavored ice, to take ice out 482 00:20:51,624 --> 00:20:54,024 Speaker 7: of a freezer, to put it back in the freezer 483 00:20:54,504 --> 00:20:57,544 Speaker 7: to restock. Because popos can't restock. 484 00:20:57,824 --> 00:21:00,384 Speaker 3: I can put my peanut butter pretzels in a different 485 00:21:00,384 --> 00:21:04,064 Speaker 3: bag because I'm rich and your poor own it own it. 486 00:21:04,104 --> 00:21:06,784 Speaker 2: You are rich. Yeah, you just got one hundred million 487 00:21:06,824 --> 00:21:07,824 Speaker 2: dollar deal with Netflix. 488 00:21:08,104 --> 00:21:09,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like lean into that. I don't know. I 489 00:21:09,984 --> 00:21:11,344 Speaker 1: was very open up with the fact that I would 490 00:21:11,344 --> 00:21:12,864 Speaker 1: just love to go stay with her, like I'd be 491 00:21:12,864 --> 00:21:15,384 Speaker 1: walking on eggshells the whole time. But like the fact 492 00:21:15,424 --> 00:21:17,184 Speaker 1: of having like that EPs and salt bath and her 493 00:21:17,264 --> 00:21:19,264 Speaker 1: love into towels, and I just feel like she would 494 00:21:19,264 --> 00:21:20,744 Speaker 1: make me a lovely dinner. And I just don't think 495 00:21:20,744 --> 00:21:22,464 Speaker 1: my friends really do that enough. They don't step up 496 00:21:22,504 --> 00:21:23,864 Speaker 1: to the plate. No one's ever made me a love 497 00:21:23,864 --> 00:21:26,264 Speaker 1: and a towel, no one's ever got me to like 498 00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:28,304 Speaker 1: salt coat of fish. I just feel like that's the 499 00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:30,504 Speaker 1: missing point in all of our lives. I think season 500 00:21:30,584 --> 00:21:32,144 Speaker 1: two again, because they've filmed its heard. 501 00:21:32,064 --> 00:21:33,904 Speaker 2: You want to come over to my house and bake cookies. 502 00:21:34,024 --> 00:21:35,984 Speaker 1: I would actually love that, Like a little rainbow plate. 503 00:21:36,424 --> 00:21:38,704 Speaker 3: I can bake you some cute cookies and we can 504 00:21:38,744 --> 00:21:40,344 Speaker 3: bake together and drink wine and. 505 00:21:40,264 --> 00:21:42,784 Speaker 1: Have and have flowers over our shoulders. My god, that's 506 00:21:42,944 --> 00:21:44,584 Speaker 1: it's my dream to be that elegant. But I just 507 00:21:44,624 --> 00:21:46,464 Speaker 1: can't do it. And make little flower ice cubes. I 508 00:21:46,464 --> 00:21:48,344 Speaker 1: actually have done that before, but I used tapwater and 509 00:21:48,384 --> 00:21:50,304 Speaker 1: Megan would hate me for it. I didn't realize it 510 00:21:50,304 --> 00:21:52,864 Speaker 1: would come out cloudy. I didn't know I was doing 511 00:21:52,864 --> 00:21:53,664 Speaker 1: ice cubes wrong. 512 00:21:54,264 --> 00:21:55,104 Speaker 3: Yeah. 513 00:21:55,184 --> 00:21:57,384 Speaker 1: Season two coming in a few months. I think it'll 514 00:21:57,424 --> 00:21:59,184 Speaker 1: really hedge on the celebrity guests. 515 00:21:59,584 --> 00:22:01,824 Speaker 2: I wonder they've got they've clearly already shot it. 516 00:22:01,864 --> 00:22:03,664 Speaker 1: They've already shot it, which is interesting. They're not going 517 00:22:03,744 --> 00:22:06,184 Speaker 1: to sort of let that leak beforehand, but I think 518 00:22:06,184 --> 00:22:08,144 Speaker 1: she was better depending on who she was with. 519 00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:12,944 Speaker 3: I'm interested to see if they do any reshoots. Do 520 00:22:12,984 --> 00:22:15,744 Speaker 3: you think that given the response, they would go back 521 00:22:15,744 --> 00:22:18,984 Speaker 3: and go, you know what, let's just either re edit 522 00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:22,424 Speaker 3: or potentially reshoot some things. 523 00:22:22,624 --> 00:22:24,864 Speaker 1: In response, I'd say at this stage of the game, 524 00:22:24,944 --> 00:22:27,224 Speaker 1: because they shot it over ten months ago now and 525 00:22:27,264 --> 00:22:29,344 Speaker 1: it's coming out in two months, which doesn't sound like 526 00:22:29,384 --> 00:22:31,584 Speaker 1: a around two months. We don't know the exact date, 527 00:22:31,624 --> 00:22:33,744 Speaker 1: but it's around then to go back and rent that 528 00:22:33,824 --> 00:22:36,504 Speaker 1: house and get everyone back and book and stuff, and 529 00:22:36,584 --> 00:22:39,384 Speaker 1: even continuity of how it would look filming. If they 530 00:22:39,424 --> 00:22:41,344 Speaker 1: were going to change anything, would probably be a re 531 00:22:41,504 --> 00:22:44,664 Speaker 1: edit over a reshoot. But at this stage, maybe they're 532 00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:47,504 Speaker 1: just like it's done, it's filmed, Like we're getting eyeballs 533 00:22:47,504 --> 00:22:49,344 Speaker 1: on it, and she's getting people to talk about her 534 00:22:49,344 --> 00:22:52,064 Speaker 1: brand too as ever, which was also kind of like 535 00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:54,344 Speaker 1: the big pushing point to it, So maybe it's actually 536 00:22:54,384 --> 00:22:55,424 Speaker 1: all worked out in her favor. 537 00:22:55,544 --> 00:22:58,224 Speaker 3: Look, we know that Netflix are throw it at the 538 00:22:58,224 --> 00:23:01,384 Speaker 3: wall and see what sticks. They are mass producing as 539 00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:04,744 Speaker 3: much as possible at the moment, because the more content 540 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:06,264 Speaker 3: they can get out there, the more that they're going 541 00:23:06,304 --> 00:23:09,864 Speaker 3: to start to sort of make money. Interestingly, this is 542 00:23:09,944 --> 00:23:11,504 Speaker 3: kind of a little bit off topic, but last time 543 00:23:11,504 --> 00:23:13,704 Speaker 3: I was in LA for work, I was talking to 544 00:23:13,744 --> 00:23:17,384 Speaker 3: one of the producers at NBC and he was saying 545 00:23:17,424 --> 00:23:19,744 Speaker 3: that all of the studios in LA at the time 546 00:23:19,984 --> 00:23:21,984 Speaker 3: were basically all booked out by Netflix. 547 00:23:22,304 --> 00:23:24,584 Speaker 1: I would believe that stuff they're putting quite a few 548 00:23:24,624 --> 00:23:25,024 Speaker 1: years ago. Now. 549 00:23:25,064 --> 00:23:26,864 Speaker 3: This is probably about six years ago, so I don't 550 00:23:26,864 --> 00:23:28,864 Speaker 3: know what the situation is like now, but they were 551 00:23:28,864 --> 00:23:31,704 Speaker 3: saying that every single studio is booked for a Netflix 552 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:36,184 Speaker 3: production because they're just pumping out content, and we've seen that. 553 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,824 Speaker 1: I believe it. Look more TV shows about ice cubes. 554 00:23:38,824 --> 00:23:40,984 Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for. Well, thank you so much, 555 00:23:41,064 --> 00:23:43,424 Speaker 1: Chicka Sanyea for joining us today for being some important 556 00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:46,664 Speaker 1: ice cube. Megan marcl chat and don't forget to listen 557 00:23:46,664 --> 00:23:48,104 Speaker 1: to her on di over Birth. 558 00:23:48,584 --> 00:23:51,384 Speaker 3: This week we have simoone Holtznagel on telling us about 559 00:23:51,424 --> 00:23:53,744 Speaker 3: her birth story, which is actually a little bit b juicy. 560 00:23:54,104 --> 00:23:56,824 Speaker 1: Oh we love that. And if you want more of 561 00:23:56,864 --> 00:23:58,864 Speaker 1: Megan Markle, which after this episode you might be thinking, 562 00:23:58,864 --> 00:24:00,024 Speaker 1: you know what I want to do is hear more 563 00:24:00,064 --> 00:24:03,064 Speaker 1: about this cooking show. Emily and I recorded a brutally 564 00:24:03,104 --> 00:24:05,944 Speaker 1: honest review about the show, which went live on Friday, 565 00:24:05,984 --> 00:24:07,544 Speaker 1: so make sure you go back into your feed and 566 00:24:07,584 --> 00:24:10,264 Speaker 1: listen to that. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Brad 567 00:24:10,664 --> 00:24:13,104 Speaker 1: was sound production by Scott Stronik and we'll see you 568 00:24:13,184 --> 00:24:15,544 Speaker 1: back here on our podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 569 00:24:15,664 --> 00:24:21,664 Speaker 1: Bye bye.