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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Claire Murphy. This is Muma MEA's twice daily

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Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie with Schoolies, now just days away

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Speaker 1: from kicking off on the Gold Coast. A legal versus

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Speaker 1: moral argument has broken out over the plans of an

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Speaker 1: onlyfan star calling on young Ossie men celebrating the end

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Speaker 1: of high school to help her make content for her channel.

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Speaker 2: Oh and boys, if you know Annie and I is

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Speaker 2: going to join me on the eighteenth of November to

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Speaker 2: help some new schoolies.

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Speaker 1: Some say Bonnie Blues call to have school leavers star

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Speaker 1: in her videos are akin to predatory behavior, but others

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Speaker 1: save the young men who respond to her requests are

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Speaker 1: over eighteen, She's broken no laws and it's those men

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Speaker 1: who are free to make the decision or not. So

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Speaker 1: where do we draw the line? Today we look at

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Speaker 1: the moral versus legal fight over targeting schoolies who are

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Speaker 1: legally adults who might be making a decision that will

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Speaker 1: follow them for the rest of their lives. But first,

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Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Quikie newsroom. Tuesday, November twelve.

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Peter Dutton is trying on some Trump slogans

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Speaker 1: to see if they can help the liberal National coalition

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Speaker 1: win it next year's federal election. The Weekend Australian is

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Speaker 1: reporting that the Liberal Party has approached Republican strategists to

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Speaker 1: understand what part of their strategies worked for Trump, who

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Speaker 1: secured a decisive win over Kamla Harris and the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Australian mining billionaire Jeina ryan Hart, who attended Trump's celebration

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Speaker 1: party in Florida last week, reportedly told a friend that

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Speaker 1: she would like to see Australia watch and learn from

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Speaker 1: mister Trump and his full throttle rejection of all things left.

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Speaker 1: Mister Dutton has already started referring to a Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: slogan asking if you feel you're better off than you

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Speaker 1: were four years ago. The cost of living crisis has

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Speaker 1: impacted millions of Australians and is expected to see the

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Speaker 1: election in the hopes a change of government will change

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Speaker 1: their financial situation. Depending on who you believe, either Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has spoken to Russian leader Vladimir Putin or he hasn't.

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post reported, citing anonymous sources, that Trump to

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Speaker 1: look a call from Putin while at his home in Florida.

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Speaker 1: On Thursday last week, reportedly asking the Russian leader not

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Speaker 1: to escalate the war with Ukraine. For Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry

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Speaker 1: Peskov has denied the call ever took place, saying this

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Speaker 1: is completely untrue. This is pure fiction. It's just false information.

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Speaker 1: He said, there was no conversation, pointing out that this

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Speaker 1: is an obvious example of the quality of information that's

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Speaker 1: being published now, sometimes even in fairly reputable publications. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Ukraine says its military is battling fifty thousand troops inside

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Speaker 1: Russia's Kursk region, while also scrambling to reinforce fronts in

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Speaker 1: one thousand kilometer stretch of front is stretching Ukraine's already

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Speaker 1: outnumbered troops. Russia bolstering their ranks with tens of thousands

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Speaker 1: of soldiers from North Korea. If you're driving east of

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Speaker 1: trip with a very big delivery expected to make its

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Speaker 1: Burma is the first elephant to arrive at Manato. She's

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Speaker 1: A video posted to YouTube yesterday took us back into

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Speaker 1: the locker room of the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders, announcing what

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Speaker 4: X C see see season two Wow Yes.

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Speaker 1: Netflix has confirmed season two of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders America's

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Speaker 1: Sweethearts is going ahead, but hasn't given a release date,

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Speaker 1: just that it's coming in twenty twenty five. Season one,

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Speaker 1: which debuted in June this year, followed DCC manager Kelly

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Speaker 1: Finlass and choreographer Judy Trammel as they prepared the squad

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Speaker 1: It also showed how the women on the team are

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Speaker 1: damaged by the routines they perform. That's What's happening in

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Speaker 1: the world today. Next is Bonnie Blue a predator for

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Speaker 1: asking schoolies over eighteen to join her in creating content

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Speaker 1: major controversy has erupted over British Only Fans creator Bonnie

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Speaker 1: Blues planned visit to Australia's Gold Coast school librations, where

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Speaker 1: she intended to film explicit content with, as she put it,

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Speaker 1: barely legal eighteen year old school leavers. This isn't Blue's

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Speaker 1: first controversial venture. She previously conducted similar activities during spring

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Speaker 1: break in Cancun and at UK universities. During one UK event,

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Speaker 1: she claimed students waited in line for over eight hours

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Speaker 5: They're so nervous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I could imagine holding their idea of that.

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Speaker 6: She can.

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Speaker 5: They're kind of sun on standard forms. It's looking like

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Speaker 5: I'm literally holding them like to that. Well, but I

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Speaker 7: They don't know me.

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Speaker 5: They've just queued up for hours on l All they

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Speaker 1: Blue, along with Australian Nini Fans creator Annie Knight, had

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Speaker 1: announced their intention to invite young male's school leavers to

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Speaker 1: would implement strict protocols, including ID verification, consent forms, and

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Speaker 1: sobriety tests. Blue defended her approach, stating that participants were

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Speaker 1: reportedly earns millions from filming this explicit content, and while

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Speaker 1: school these participants wouldn't be charged for their encounter with her,

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Speaker 1: they also wouldn't receive payment for their appearance in videos either,

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Speaker 1: and those videos would be monetized on her platform. Blue

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Speaker 1: and her supporters argue that their plan breaks no laws,

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Speaker 1: saying participants are legally adults who can make their own decisions,

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Speaker 1: that strict consent and verification processes are in place.

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Speaker 2: So for all the comments saying I should be in

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Speaker 2: fights I even state in the center's fairly legal and

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Speaker 2: the main word be illegal And what are you going

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Speaker 2: to arrest me for? So payofficers came my way.

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Speaker 1: They compare the other things men at this age can

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Speaker 1: at eighteen people can join the military and vote, So

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Speaker 1: why can't they decide to engage in sexual relations for

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Speaker 7: I'm just focused on pleasure, Like I don't understand what

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Speaker 7: I do is out there, But sex is focused on

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Speaker 4: It's pleasure and enjoyment.

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Speaker 7: And if there's eighteen year olds, like I've said before,

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Speaker 7: they can sign up to the army, they can dream. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: we seem to pick and choose when we like to

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Speaker 4: I can't seek with them. We don't know what to do.

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Speaker 7: And if they was to commit a crime. It's sortinly.

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Speaker 7: They're eighteen, they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They also say the backlash stems from societal stigma around

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Speaker 1: sex work. Blue says she's operating within legal boundaries, stating,

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Speaker 1: I receive backlash for sleeping with barely legal eighteen year olds,

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Speaker 1: but the keyword in that sentence is legal. Others argue

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Speaker 1: it's the use of the words barey that changes everything.

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Speaker 1: Miss Pony is the chief executive officer at the Scarlet Alliance,

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Speaker 1: the Australian Sex Workers Association. Miss how does Bonnie Blue's

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Speaker 1: schoolies plan sit with the sex worker community? And I

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Speaker 1: know you don't represent every single person in that community,

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 6: I think for sex workers, we're really concerned about the

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Speaker 6: media vilification that's been whipped up around Bonnie blue plans.

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Speaker 6: As sex workers, we live with the impacts of stigma

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Speaker 6: and discrimination every day, and it seems that the media

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Speaker 6: reporting around this and the public's reaction is really just

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Speaker 6: reinforcing those negative stereotypes. For the plan itself. Bonnie Blues

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Speaker 6: come out explaining the verification procedures and these are regular

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Speaker 6: and we don't agree with the media narrative that it's

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Speaker 6: exploiting young or vulnerable people. These are sexual acts between

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Speaker 6: consenting adults. These are the kinds of things that sex

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Speaker 6: primarily with the vilification that's been come up around it.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because it seems like maybe your community might

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Speaker 1: be divided, just like the general community is about this,

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Speaker 1: because the organizers of the adult industry Choice Awards stripped

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Speaker 1: saying that they don't condone behavior that seems to exploit

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Speaker 1: are you finding that there are people sort of creating

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Speaker 6: You know, the sex work industry is diverse, and there's

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Speaker 6: always going to be a diverse range of opinions. I

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Speaker 6: to do, but that's for them to decide. But as

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Speaker 6: concerned with the vilification and the stigma that's being whipped.

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Speaker 1: Up mish, what would you say to parents who are

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Speaker 6: As sex workers, Bonnie and myself and all other sex

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Speaker 6: workers do have that lived experience of you know, what

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Speaker 6: does it mean for your image to live on the internet.

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Speaker 6: So it's not that we're going into this blind and

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Speaker 6: don't know that repercussions ourselves. For myself, I visit your

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Speaker 6: world where it actually doesn't matter. If there's an image

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Speaker 6: that shouldn't impact your future employment prospects. But unfortunately we

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Speaker 6: live in a world where it does. But I think

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Speaker 6: eighteen year olds and above they're not completely ignorant to

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Speaker 6: the facts or the realities of the world, and parents

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Speaker 6: should have those honest, frank conversations with their children in

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Speaker 6: a non stigmatizing way that if this is the route

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Speaker 6: in your life. It's not ideal and it's not something

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Speaker 6: that we should accept as okay. But the fact is

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Speaker 1: Critics, including child safety experts and local officials, have raised

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Speaker 1: serious concerns. Thousands of Australians signed a petition calling for

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Speaker 1: Blue to be banned from the country, and it appears

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Speaker 1: their efforts have succeeded, as reports indicate the Department of

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Speaker 1: Home Affairs has canceled her twelve month tourist visa, citing

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Speaker 1: potential violations of visa work restrictions. Gold Coast Mayor Tom

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Speaker 1: Tate warned young men about potential long term consequences, emphasizing

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Speaker 1: that digital content can persist indefinitely and impact future career prospects.

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Speaker 8: For these cougars to get on to young men who

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Speaker 8: They don't know that in twenty years when they're going

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Speaker 3: This type of exploitation happens all the time. I guess

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Speaker 1: What message might you have for young men who are

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Speaker 3: I would say to them, know you're worth like you're

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Speaker 3: But does this make you an actual man? And think

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Speaker 1: Harrison James, a child sexual abuse survivor and activist, describe

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Speaker 1: moment in their lives. Bonnie, why is the term barely legal?

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Speaker 1: It does make it sound more predatory. Why say that

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Speaker 7: There's multiple reasons, one of which the media originally gives

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Speaker 7: Away from the fact they've just used the term barely legal,

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Speaker 7: Another reason is in the industry, I'm in keeen has

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Speaker 1: Should we be capitalizing on something that might be slightly problematic? Though, Bonnie,

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Speaker 4: Is nothing wrong with it. They're eighteen, there's nothing wrong.

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Speaker 7: There's no reason why you can't capitalize on eighteen year

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Speaker 7: They've choosed to film content with me, and I'm giving

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Speaker 7: Majority of the time, they're going to be asking their

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Speaker 7: So we really like to pick and choose when we

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to know how you feel about men appearing

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Speaker 7: It's completely opposite because these eighteen year olds are watching

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Speaker 4: They are watching it and they're having sex.

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Speaker 7: Whereas when you watch porn or adult content, it is

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Speaker 7: If they're only watching professional pawn, that isn't great in

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Speaker 1: worried about their children, Whether you think it's unfounded or not,

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Speaker 1: they are genuinely worried about their kids. What message would

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Speaker 1: you have to parents who might be concerned.

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Speaker 7: They should be sending them my way if their kids

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Speaker 7: want to film with me, because when you're eighteen, you

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Speaker 7: go out drinking, they're having sex when they're under the

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Speaker 7: influence and consent can start getting blurred.

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Speaker 4: They wake up, you know, the night after that, God,

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Speaker 4: I can't really remember what happened, or you know, can't

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Speaker 4: even remember that girl's name.

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Speaker 7: And that's when sometimes things get then spoken about.

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Speaker 4: They're like, oh, you know, you slept with her when

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Speaker 4: she was really drunk.

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Speaker 7: And that's when things can start causing a problem or

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Speaker 7: can then potentially affect your future. However, sleeping with me

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Speaker 7: is a beyond saf environment, and I don't know how helps.

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Speaker 4: To get it across.

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Speaker 7: Because there is a security on the door, they're feeling

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Speaker 7: a consent for, they're bringing ID, they're doing a breathalyzer test,

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Speaker 7: they're sleeping with someone that gets.

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Speaker 4: STD check, and I use protection.

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Speaker 7: There's no other safe environment or protection as if they're

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Speaker 7: going to have that in any other you know, night,

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Speaker 7: if they're going to have a one night stand. So

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Speaker 7: it really confuses me how they can even slightly think

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Speaker 7: it's an unsaved environment for them.

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Speaker 4: It's a complete opposite.

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Speaker 1: I think part of the exploitation part of this conversation

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Speaker 1: isn't maybe so much about sexually exploiting, but rather financially exploiting,

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Speaker 1: because you're making money off of this, But how much

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Speaker 1: does this attention? Media attention? You've already mentioned that, you know,

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Speaker 1: media are the ones that started this barely illegal trope

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Speaker 1: in the first place. How much does that actually benefit

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Speaker 1: you to have these headlines you know, around.

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Speaker 7: The world, Oh, massively, especially because sex, as much as

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Speaker 7: it shouldn't be to both it is. But the more

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Speaker 7: taboo they're making it sound, for example, like using the

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Speaker 7: term barely legal, they're drawing more traffic to me, So yes,

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Speaker 7: it causes more of an up with women, but then

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Speaker 7: their husbands and their sons are more intrigued to see it.

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Speaker 7: So financially, it's changed my life and my family's life

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Speaker 7: life completely.

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Speaker 1: As schools approaches, this controversy serves as a reminder of

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Speaker 1: the complex challenges facing young people in an increasingly digital world,

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Speaker 1: where the lines between entertainment, exploitation, and opportunity often blur,

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Speaker 1: and with AI now generating images and videos of mostly

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Speaker 1: women in a sexualized manner, many of us might end

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Speaker 1: up with things online that we aren't even aware exist.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 1: us today. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy

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Speaker 1: and our executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by

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Speaker 1: Siegen Sadler