WEBVTT - Katherine Bennell-Pegg // Our first ever Australian astronaut!!!

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't look like a normal toilet. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a bin and like like a nappy bin.

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<v Speaker 1>Each use goes into a plastic bag and gets you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pushed down, and then they burn up in the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>like shooting stars later when it takes them back. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you go, you're encouraged to leave you

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<v Speaker 1>close outside the qbicle because if something goes wrong, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do what's called a float of shame back

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<v Speaker 1>to get your new clothes. One of all the cameras

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<v Speaker 1>and all the mission controls around.

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<v Speaker 2>The world, Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy

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<v Speaker 2>I get a particular guest in my head and I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot rest until I've tried everything in my power to

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<v Speaker 2>reach them, because their story is so extraordinary, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, there are literally only a handful of people

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<v Speaker 2>in a history on this particular part ya. So to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to sit down with not just an astronaut,

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<v Speaker 2>and not only one of less than one hundred female

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<v Speaker 2>astronauts in the world, but the first ever Australian astronaut

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<v Speaker 2>is literally a dream. I am so honored to have

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Bennel Peg in your ears this week, who has

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<v Speaker 2>just a few days ago earned an honorary doctorate so

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<v Speaker 2>should really be Doctor Catherine Bennelpeg, but also qualified as

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<v Speaker 2>the first astronaut under the Australian flag in April this year,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first Australian feet female astronaut under any flag.

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<v Speaker 2>She is an incredibly impressive woman and an absolute icon

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<v Speaker 2>for women and people in stem. With two master's degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>across four international countries, positions with Airbus and NASA before

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<v Speaker 2>becoming Director of Space Technology at the Australian Space Agency,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the role she has today. I don't know how,

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<v Speaker 2>but she also generously makes time to speak about her

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<v Speaker 2>career around the country and so excitingly with us this week.

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<v Speaker 2>As well as being a mum to two girls, Clara

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<v Speaker 2>and Hazel, and somehow fitting in scuba diving and surf

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<v Speaker 2>life saving and all sorts of other fun in between,

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<v Speaker 2>she is just one of the most fascinating people I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever sat down with, and I hope you guys enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>this one as much as I did. Catherine, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I am so excited and so honored to be

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<v Speaker 2>chatting with you. This show is all about showcasing them

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<v Speaker 2>many different pathways that we call them Parthiers to joy,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are a couple that have truly captivated me

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<v Speaker 2>Forever to do with space, but particularly becoming an astronaut

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<v Speaker 2>is one I just never thought I would actually get

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down with one, but as of April this year,

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<v Speaker 2>you have become not only the first ever astronaut qualified

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<v Speaker 2>under the Australian flag, but Australia's first female astronaut in history,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just so so extraordinary. So to start off

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<v Speaker 2>with the biggest congratulations, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much here and so I still pinched

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<v Speaker 1>me stuff. You know. It was such a busy time

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<v Speaker 1>during the training and since that I haven't forget to

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<v Speaker 1>take a breath and just go, wow, look where we are,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is amazing, because I'm very excited for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I mean, how does it feel as

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<v Speaker 2>it sunk in? I know, it's been a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>months now and I've been keenly following along since it

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<v Speaker 2>was announced, the media journey around Australia and all the

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful things you've been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yeah, I think it's sunk in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. When I started the astronaut training, it was

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<v Speaker 1>really mind blowing because I remember on my first day,

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in with the other new ascans which is

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<v Speaker 1>what we called on the training astronaut candidates and meeting

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<v Speaker 1>us in the entrance hall of this Astronaut center under

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<v Speaker 1>a huge space station model that covered the roof, with

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<v Speaker 1>this group of flowing senior astronauts, people whose books I

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<v Speaker 1>had read and that i'd been following, and they're greeting

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<v Speaker 1>us as peers. And from that moment, you know, your

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<v Speaker 1>life really changes. But within a few days you're so

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<v Speaker 1>busy getting down to it you don't really have a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to breathe it all in. So coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>Australia just a couple of months ago, now this is

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<v Speaker 1>when it's really starting to hit home.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Well it's I've dived really deep into

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<v Speaker 2>sort of astronaut training and the process. Because I think

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that happens often when we sort

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<v Speaker 2>of walk into a chapter of someone's life, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>just after they've got an honorary doctorate last week and

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<v Speaker 2>other congratulations do you but then have become, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an astronaut, it's easy to forget how it's never an

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<v Speaker 2>overnight success, like it's taken you an extraordinarily long.

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<v Speaker 3>Time to get here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, I can't wait to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>how of becoming an astronaut for all our listeners. Candidates

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<v Speaker 2>are subjected to more gees than Formula One drivers, so

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<v Speaker 2>we have a lot to get into. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>what really is inspiring and reassuring perhaps is to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the very beginning and go backwards, to go forwards,

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<v Speaker 2>so to kind of explain that it is possible to

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<v Speaker 2>become an astronaut. Here's how when you were a young

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<v Speaker 2>kid in the Northern beaches, like back at school, was

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<v Speaker 2>it always science for you? Were you that kid who

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<v Speaker 2>woke up wanting to go to space? And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all these years, lady, you've actually done it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I absolutely have had a dream since I was

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<v Speaker 1>a young kid to be an astronaut. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that I was, you know, thinking about it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just sparked by curiosity in the world around me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Aussie kids are so much more immersed in

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<v Speaker 1>nature than kids in most developed countries. Even living in cities.

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<v Speaker 1>We have beaches and you know, great parks and wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>all around us, and that helps to spark that curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the desire to explore is that feeling kids

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<v Speaker 1>get when they want to look under every rock and

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<v Speaker 1>climb every tree, and you get that sense of all

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<v Speaker 1>looking out at the horizon from the beach and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I love looking at stuff at night. And when my

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<v Speaker 1>mum told me, because she'd studied physics, She told me

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<v Speaker 1>about the planets and that no one's ever seen them

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<v Speaker 1>up close with their own eyes before, only three telescopes.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to explore them. It was a really young

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<v Speaker 1>driving force, that curiosity of an adventure that kids have,

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<v Speaker 1>And as I grew up, I was really sporty and

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<v Speaker 1>I love lots of extracurricular activities, and it was when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a teenager that I first sort of thought

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<v Speaker 1>about it a bit more seriously. I went on a

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<v Speaker 1>family trip to the US and got to visit some

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<v Speaker 1>NASA sites, which are the amazing and it started becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing, not just something you see in movies,

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<v Speaker 1>but something real people work on. And in year eight,

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<v Speaker 1>we were asked at school, what do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be when you grew up? We had to write down

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<v Speaker 1>three things, and I was like, well, astronaut, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't anything else I wanted to do, because

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<v Speaker 1>to be an astronaut you can have a myriad of pathways.

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<v Speaker 1>And instead of you making fun of me or putting

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<v Speaker 1>me down, my school and my parents really encourage me

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<v Speaker 1>to go figure out what that would take, maybe hoping

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd see some sense, but in fact I found

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<v Speaker 1>out that it was a wonderful adventure to have in

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<v Speaker 1>your life to be an astronaut. You could be an engineer,

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<v Speaker 1>you could be a scientist, you could be a pilot

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<v Speaker 1>or a medical doctor. And you should be someone that

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<v Speaker 1>likes doing expeditions and living internationally and working in teams.

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<v Speaker 1>And that all just sounded great and I agree from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, one of the things we talk about so

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<v Speaker 2>much on this show is that many different pathways to

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<v Speaker 2>joy or to fulfillment or whatever you want to call

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of thing we all strive for in life.

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<v Speaker 2>And often it's the case that we'll say, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to wake up when you're five and know where

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go, and often the pathway leads you

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<v Speaker 2>all in different directions. But I like that this is

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<v Speaker 2>so different in that you did kind of wake up

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<v Speaker 2>at that early stage and go, this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be and there's nothing else. The difficult thing

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<v Speaker 2>I think in your case is that you are literally

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<v Speaker 2>an example of something that has and had up until April,

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<v Speaker 2>never been done before. So when people sort of say

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<v Speaker 2>you can do the impossible, you know it literally. There

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<v Speaker 2>weren't only no female Australian astronauts, less than one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>female astronauts ever, but also no astronaut that had ever

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<v Speaker 2>qualified under the Australian flag like in history. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>talk about sort of the fear of failure or fear

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<v Speaker 2>of the impossible, or not being deterred when someone tells you, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not you know, you're not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine back then, when it hadn't ever happened,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of kept you on track or just made

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<v Speaker 2>you believe that you could still pursue this pathway.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it was a combination of naivity and

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<v Speaker 1>stubbornness anything's possible, and subven enough to not let that go.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course I was very fortunate with my parents

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<v Speaker 1>encouraging me to pursue what I was interested in. And

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent, you know, supporting your kid's astronaut dream

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<v Speaker 1>is great because the backup options are all those other

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<v Speaker 1>great careers I talked about. But my dad took me

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<v Speaker 1>to talks by Paul Schollipower and Anty Thomas to Australians

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<v Speaker 1>that had been to space before representing the US. I

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<v Speaker 1>also did aerobatic flying as a teenager, which is flying

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<v Speaker 1>the maker and roller coaster in the sky, and that

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<v Speaker 1>coupled with you know, doing some astronomy in my backyard

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<v Speaker 1>with a little Cogby telescope made my schoolwork seemed really

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<v Speaker 1>relevant to me because it meant, you know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>learned this mouth, so if I learn this science, that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to help me in my hobbies. And that made

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. But you know, at that time, Australia

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have an Australian Space Agency, let alone any pathway

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<v Speaker 1>to becoming an astronaut, so I figured my life would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be overseas if I wanted to pursue the

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<v Speaker 1>dream of being an astronaut. And yeah, that's how it

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<v Speaker 1>remained until quite recently when the Australian Space Agency set

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<v Speaker 1>up and created opportunities for people back here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just so exciting to have seen that the

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<v Speaker 2>timing all worked out for you to actually fulfill this dream.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love you know, looking back, I often talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how like the dots don't connect at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>but later they do, or as in your case, the

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<v Speaker 2>dots did connect going forwards because you were positioning yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in the hope that by the time things happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be right in the position that you could

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<v Speaker 2>go to space, And there's something to be said about

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<v Speaker 2>waiting in the wings. Like I think when people want

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<v Speaker 2>their dream to come true, they want it to come

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<v Speaker 2>true immediately. But going through all the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>had to do to get there, I'm sure there were

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<v Speaker 2>many times where you were sort of having to be

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<v Speaker 2>very patient with this dream. So from u tend work experience,

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<v Speaker 2>like at CSIRO looking through a telescope, thinking one day

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<v Speaker 2>I want to end up out amongst that space environment.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to go through two bachelor degrees, two masters,

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<v Speaker 2>You've studied in four countries, and then you've had an

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<v Speaker 2>enormous amount of qualification to get there. And my pathway

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<v Speaker 2>sort of to joy has been leaving corporate to go

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<v Speaker 2>into business where winging it is a method. But to

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<v Speaker 2>become an astronaut you can't really wing it. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>one of those careers where you can just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like make it up as you go. You actually have

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<v Speaker 2>to qualify. So can you talk us through what the

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<v Speaker 2>steps were for you? So you started with a Bachelor

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<v Speaker 2>of engineering, and something that quite alarmed me is that

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<v Speaker 2>still now only fourteen percent of the engineering workforce are women,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's before you even go into specializations like aeronautical

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<v Speaker 2>and space engineering. So tell us about sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>early days of qualifying or positioning yourself so that if

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<v Speaker 2>Australia did open at Space Agency, you would eventually be

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<v Speaker 2>able to work there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So for me, I applied to study a double

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<v Speaker 1>degree in science, majoring in physics and engineering, looking at

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<v Speaker 1>aeronautical and space engineering at university. And I only applied

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<v Speaker 1>for the engineering part because it had the word space

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<v Speaker 1>in the title. I really on space. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what engineering was beyond the definition of the term,

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<v Speaker 1>and that a lot of astronauts were also engineers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really didn't fit the stereotype of an engineer. When

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<v Speaker 1>I started at UNI, I was one of the few

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<v Speaker 1>people that had not used drills before or written lines

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<v Speaker 1>of code. Of course, they'd done basic things when I

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<v Speaker 1>was playing aircraft, but I really was more scientific than

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<v Speaker 1>hands on, and it meant that the first part of

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<v Speaker 1>university for me was pretty intimidating, but my passion for

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<v Speaker 1>space really drew me through the first couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>That for me and many others, is quite a slog

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<v Speaker 1>in any technical degree to write through to the part

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<v Speaker 1>where you're no longer answering questions in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>a textbook that already solved. We get to help come

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<v Speaker 1>up with new problems and solve them and make new inventions.

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<v Speaker 1>And that got really really exciting for me. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I finished my degree, you know, there was still no

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<v Speaker 1>way in Australia that I could see to do what

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do then, which was to develop big,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful science missions and expiration missions. And so when overseas

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<v Speaker 1>to do a double master's degree, and that was really amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to live across many countries. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>help launch rockets and big high altitude balloons under the Aurora,

0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.400
<v Speaker 1>living above the Polar Circle in northern Sweden. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to spend time at NASA at the Europine Space Agent,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually got a job in the space sector, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a company called Airbus in their space systems team

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<v Speaker 1>developing new kinds of missions, and I got to work

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<v Speaker 1>on some of the most compelling missions I could have

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<v Speaker 1>ever hoped for. Missions that you know, were to monitor

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<v Speaker 1>our planet, to new ways to explore Mars. Everybody comes

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<v Speaker 1>to remove space debris, missions that are taking humans back

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<v Speaker 1>around the Moon, on space stations or the vehicles, a

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<v Speaker 1>new part of the International Space Station and more. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I started to go back to when

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<v Speaker 1>I started UNI, I was just wanting to work on

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<v Speaker 1>a real space mission. That was like my my near

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<v Speaker 1>to midterm career goal. I just wanted to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of something concrete in space and helping make those discoveries.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to work on my first component, and

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<v Speaker 1>then my first subsystem, and then my first full mission,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, it just grew and grew. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time I achieved what I wanted to achieve, I could

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<v Speaker 1>see a path to do more. And it's really been

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<v Speaker 1>a really amazing career to be involved in space.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it sounds like anyone who sort of

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<v Speaker 2>has even a vague fascination in space translating that into

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<v Speaker 2>actually becoming an astronaut just seems so impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>But watching you sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of build from an engineering and science degree and then

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<v Speaker 2>into the Masters and then into Airbus, which is aviation.

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<v Speaker 3>But then, like is it you know, kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of translating that all the way through to the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Space agencies just it gives me goosebumps, thinking that it

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<v Speaker 2>had never been done until you did it, like there

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<v Speaker 2>are very very few people who can say my career

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<v Speaker 2>pathway is the first one of its kind, Like there

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<v Speaker 2>were no role models for you to look to, There

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<v Speaker 2>were no sort of trailblazers before you. You are blazing

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<v Speaker 2>the trail, which means that the obstacles that you face.

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<v Speaker 2>I think often we look to mentors or we look to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people who have done what we are hoping

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<v Speaker 2>to do before, to look at how they have dealt

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<v Speaker 2>with imposter syndrome or in stement. Particularly women look to

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<v Speaker 2>their seniors to you know, discuss maldominated environments and and

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<v Speaker 2>how to you know, get the support of women in

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<v Speaker 2>the industry. Whereas when you're the first one, it's enormously

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<v Speaker 2>difficult in terms of the obstacles.

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<v Speaker 3>That you have faced.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if you were speaking to young aspiring

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<v Speaker 2>female astronauts now, now that they know that you have

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<v Speaker 2>done it, what would you say the biggest challenges in

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<v Speaker 2>the pathway have been? Has it been being a female?

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<v Speaker 2>Has it been ever being underestimated because of that? You

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<v Speaker 2>know how many females were in your candidacy cohort at

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<v Speaker 2>the European Space Agency.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that there's different challenges along the pathway,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would say the young girls or young women

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<v Speaker 1>today that want to be astronauts, that they belong here.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, female astronauts are welcomed and absolutely equal

0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.760
<v Speaker 1>parts of the team. In my class, the Hoppers, the

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<v Speaker 1>six of us they trained with, the graduated together. Three

0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of us are women and three are men, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all come from totally different technical careers and we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>picked to be fifty to fifty. That's how it came

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<v Speaker 1>out of a selection on merit. But the path to

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<v Speaker 1>get here does have its challenges, and you know, each

0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.200
<v Speaker 1>person in a minority, including gender minorities, will have challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for young women today, it starts really young,

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<v Speaker 1>right back with the stereotypes when they're kids, in that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of technical careers or even space really marketed

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<v Speaker 1>to young boys. A friend of mine had a four

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<v Speaker 1>year old daughter that wouldn't wear her astronaut costume because

0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.920
<v Speaker 1>she thought astronauts are for boys until she saw a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of me and my classmates or women happily put

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<v Speaker 1>it on, which was really touching to hear, but also

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<v Speaker 1>astonishing to realize that it really affects kids right from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. Through high school. A lot of young girls

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<v Speaker 1>still don't know what engineering is as a pathway or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps other technical pathways as well. It's not really something

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<v Speaker 1>that's talked to them through their parents or their schools,

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<v Speaker 1>so they really have to fight for information if that's

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<v Speaker 1>their interest. And then at university, my challenge was I

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<v Speaker 1>think that because I didn't really fit the stereotype, I

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<v Speaker 1>was often underestimated. I remember being in second year and

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<v Speaker 1>me and a couple of the other girls on the course,

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<v Speaker 1>no one wanted to be in a group project with

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<v Speaker 1>us because it was quite hands on and they thought that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we didn't have experience in it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>just made us more determined to do well. Right, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just good. Eventually you're going to get that. You've just

0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.320
<v Speaker 1>got to find a way to be good. And once

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<v Speaker 1>you're through that gauntlet of the early parts of your

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<v Speaker 1>career where the most challenges are, I think, then you

0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.000
<v Speaker 1>get to a point where people just need to take

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<v Speaker 1>the best. So the challenge is in backing yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>ensuring that you are given the opportunities to become the best,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're in a good spot. The other challenges,

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<v Speaker 1>of course around child bearing ages whether you have kids

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Often people can presume that you maybe aren't

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<v Speaker 1>as dedicated to your work, or there might be a

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<v Speaker 1>time and your step away. But my experience with that

0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:04.160
<v Speaker 1>is usually not always managers are open to having conversations

0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and you really need to have a conversation with them

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<v Speaker 1>about your desires. I was very fortunate to have really

0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.040
<v Speaker 1>great managers through when I had my two children, and

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<v Speaker 1>they actually promoted me during both of my th rentality,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very unusual I think, but I think that

0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.000
<v Speaker 1>helped me a lot too. And you know, when I

0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.080
<v Speaker 1>eventually moved back to Australia, when the Australian Space Agency

0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 1>brought me and my husband home for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a female boss in my whole career, in

0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.879
<v Speaker 1>my director right. And to see all the women in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and senior leadership positions is quite amazing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it gives us here in Australia an opportunity to help

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<v Speaker 1>grow our new space sector, our e merging space sector

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<v Speaker 1>in a more diverse way than perhaps his typical overseas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's shocking that it took that long, but also exciting

0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.520
<v Speaker 2>that it is happening. I think we still have to

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that having sort of female leadership at all is good,

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<v Speaker 2>and that more is ideal, but that you know, change

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<v Speaker 2>takes time.

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<v Speaker 1>Today amongst astronauts, you know, only about twelve or thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the people that have been to space to

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.720
<v Speaker 1>date have been women. The numbers are improving in the

0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 1>astronaut carps today, and that's important, not just because diverse

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:19.280
<v Speaker 1>teams often more robust and productive and creative teams, and

0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.640
<v Speaker 1>not just because young people should all have the chance

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to aspire to be astronauts, but also because in space

0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we're all medical test subjects and some medical issues agendered.

0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 1>So women on Earth benefit when there are more women

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<v Speaker 1>in space, and that's a really important to have that representation.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I actually read an article where you'd

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<v Speaker 2>said that sort of the role of an astronaut has

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<v Speaker 2>changed a lot, not only as a role model for

0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.200
<v Speaker 2>careers in stem for all genders, but women in particular,

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and you become a spokesperson for the space industry, but

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<v Speaker 2>also that you are kind of the guinea pigs when

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.119
<v Speaker 2>you're up in space, which is again kind of such

0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a cool part of your role enormously overwhelming, but such

0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:00.640
<v Speaker 2>a cool out of your role.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get there, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Do want to just touch on how much on the

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 2>way to a journey there is so much, As you mentioned,

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.480
<v Speaker 2>there's so much sort of external doubt and underestimation. But

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes people's biggest issue is like the internal

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.560
<v Speaker 2>doubt that they face. So even if you have the

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.120
<v Speaker 2>best supporters and everyone believes that you can do it,

0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you're your own worst enemy, sort of that chatter

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.400
<v Speaker 2>of imposter syndrome or doubt along the way. And again

0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.760
<v Speaker 2>it's amplified enormously when you're trying to achieve a goal

0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.359
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't exist in your country, not just in your city,

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.160
<v Speaker 2>or not just because you're rural or remote or whatever.

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.439
<v Speaker 2>It's like, literally your whole country doesn't have this, so

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.879
<v Speaker 2>having to move overseas and then you know, maybe sacrifice

0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot kind of in that process. And then I

0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>was reading that part of qualifying was that there were

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five finalists in twenty twenty two and you weren't

0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 2>selected as part of that seventeen person crew.

0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 3>At the start.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, you can't go anywhere else. It's not a big

0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 2>market where you can just become an astronaut anywhere else

0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.800
<v Speaker 2>in the face of like rejection or setbacks or yeah,

0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:05.920
<v Speaker 2>thinking that you'd have to move countries and maybe still

0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.280
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't work out. What did keep you going in

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.080
<v Speaker 2>those moments in a way that other people who are

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 2>facing the same challenges might find helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So when I was younger, I'm not sure why,

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<v Speaker 1>but I developed, probably in high school, the view of

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<v Speaker 1>the world that I thought that pretty much anything could

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 1>be achieved with enough time and effort, right, And I

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.439
<v Speaker 1>never have had the feeling that I'm the smartest in

0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the room, almost never, right, that's where imposter syndrome kicks in,

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that you don't belong there, But regardless, I felt like

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 1>if I put enough effort in and enough time, I

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 1>could get there. I think it's the same view that

0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Aussie kids have on the sporting pitch, right, like,

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 1>even if you're not the best in the team, even

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're the weakest on the field, you give it

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 1>your all and you can get there as part of

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.320
<v Speaker 1>that team. I think kids today often aren't encouraged or

0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to be themselves in academic for shoots,

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.119
<v Speaker 1>unless they're close to the top of the class, but

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I had that different view. Maybe it came from playing

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sports, and that's something that stuck with me.

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 1>When I went through the astronaut selection. I was so

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.480
<v Speaker 1>thrilled just to be able to apply a huge amount

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of people applied to the astronaut selection, almost twenty three

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 1>thousand from across the twenty two countries Space Agency. And

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 1>if you go in thinking am I going to be

0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in the top handful of this, there's no way you

0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 1>believe that. No one in my class believed that they

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.239
<v Speaker 1>would be the ones to get to the end. But

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.440
<v Speaker 1>we all thought, you know what, why not me. I'm

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>going to throw my hat in the ring and see

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 1>how far I can get as sort of a personal challenge,

0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and enjoy the journey. And so for me, pushing through

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.439
<v Speaker 1>all this, it's about knowing I leave nothing on the field,

0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 1>putting in the effort and getting as far as I

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>can and making sure I enjoyed that journey. The journey

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 1>for me to become an astronaut has led me down

0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.680
<v Speaker 1>a space engineering career that I love in its own right,

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and I'm really motivated by, you know, contributing in concrete

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 1>ways human discovery, new things, that have not been discovered before,

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 1>especially in a team environment, making you know, order out

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of chaos. So a design from a huge solution space

0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>and all of that I find really interesting. And for

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the astronaut selection, because you know, Australia has never had

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a call for astronauts before. I only had this passway

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>through the European Space Agency and the last time they

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>recruited was almost fifteen years before, so I wasn't eligible then.

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.399
<v Speaker 1>I was a student, and so I was like, I

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.439
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is my one chance I'm likely to

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 1>have in my career, and you know, becoming an astronauts

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>just the icing on the cake, the career you love anyway,

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And when I got to the end, you know, I

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.719
<v Speaker 1>thought that the medical would be where I'd be blocked,

0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like that was my goal. I'd had two kids. By

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.199
<v Speaker 1>the time you're in your mid thirties, it's usually niggling

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 1>medical things that you figure would block you. And when

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I got past that, it was like this barrier had

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 1>been lifted. I was like, Wow, well game on the

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 1>next panel interviews. I can prepare for panel interviews to

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 1>do my personal best and how do I compare myself

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>anyway to a doctor or a fighter pilot. You know,

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not in the same career a line. See, you've

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 1>just got to get on with it and become good,

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>if you know what I mean. So at the end,

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>when they came to you know, the final group of

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>the twenty five of us that had passed everything, They're like,

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.679
<v Speaker 1>you're all good enough, and that was amazing, you know,

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to know that. But then you know they had to

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 1>make a down selection for the number of flights and

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>seats they had. And I think I'd protected myself well

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:35.880
<v Speaker 1>until that point because at every stage of the six

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 1>knockout round of the selection five, by that point I

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>never expected to get through. So everything every time was

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a bottle of champagne. But this time you're waiting for

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that phone call. That's a flatting doors moment in your life. Right,

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Are you going to be an astronaut like the best

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that iver hoped to do with your life? Or

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 1>do you remain in your day job? And I love

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 1>my day job with the Australian Space Agency, no issue

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>with it, but it wasn't being an astronaut. So I

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>had a miscall one morning at like three or four am,

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and I could see it was a number from Germany,

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and I could see it was from the head of

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the astronaut center because I could see photo and what's up.

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>And I had to wait twenty four hours to the

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>next time because we didn't know what day they'd call.

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, a few weeks had passed since the interview

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and I got the note and I was like, well,

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>because they didn't tell us how many they would take,

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and so they were very good. They just ripped the

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 1>band aid off and said we'll explain why at a

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>later debrief, and so it stung a bit. And I

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>remember it was like, you know, four in the morning

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>or something, and I remember looking at I had a

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>bottle of vodka next to my ranch. I made the

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.880
<v Speaker 1>age host and I went for like a rage run

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and caught all the frustration out, but probably the fastest

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:52.199
<v Speaker 1>time I've ever done. But you know, you accept it.

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:53.919
<v Speaker 1>And I was cheering on all the other people I

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>met in the selection profest at the announcement, but it

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 1>was yeah. When I had the debrief and they told

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>me that the reason they couldn't pick me was due

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to my limited connection in Europe, I just had this

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>weight lifted off my shoulders because I was like, you

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>know what, I didn't screw up. I'd been reliving the

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 1>interview a little bit, thinking where I could have done better,

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 1>although I of course they accepted the decision because the

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 1>candidates that they picked to represent the European Space Agency

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 1>with phenomenal and that was it. So I went back

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 1>to my day job. I got on with it, and

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I found out sometime later that the Europeans had contacted

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Australia saying they wanted to take me as part of

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>their core class, but I'd have to represent Australia and

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.199
<v Speaker 1>they saw an opportunity not just through my performance, but

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I think because of the huge potential they saw in

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>our country to contribute to space on the global stage,

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>from our engineers and our scientists, to become part of

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>this world that they made that. And yeah, I'm so

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>grateful that Australia said yes, you know, And I got

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.360
<v Speaker 1>told when Annie had just over three weeks because I'd

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 1>have to get in a plane and then it was

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>announced two days later, and yeah, it was a wild journey.

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So I had to move my family across the world

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>than we managed and we got there.

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it just blows my mind. And I

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>love how you just seem to have such a well adjusted,

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>good head on your shoulders in the face of no

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>or in the face of impossibility, which I think is

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>half the battle for people is believing that they can

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>do it. I feel like often it's not that they

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>can't actually meet all the criteria and be the best

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 2>and do the interview and do the qualifications, it's that

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 2>they mentally don't believe they could, so they don't even start.

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like people self select themselves out of

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of races, not realizing I.

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Think they're two.

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>You just could if you just went in and tried

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 2>your best. You never know why not you. It has

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to be somebody exactly.

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>And you know, in Europe I said, you know, almost

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty three thousand people applied. The population of these twenty

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.719
<v Speaker 1>two countries, it's hundreds and hundreds of millions, right, So

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>there would have been a lot more qualified STEMP professionals

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that would have been eligible at the start through the

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>hat in the ring that didn't apply. So the biggest

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.479
<v Speaker 1>cut down in all those rounds was pressing the apply button.

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh my gosh.

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 2>And like I feel like the smallest barrier can deter

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>people so you might as well just push through and

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 2>then just push through again until you sort of end

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 2>up at the end. It's amazing that you didn't need

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>to necessarily believe that you would make it, but you

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>also kind of needed to believe you wouldn't, Like, it's

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>not impossible that you could.

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Make it, exactly, There's a finite possibility, hooever small, and

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>you have a little bit of that in your control

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 1>if you prepare. Yeah, the criteria for astronauts has evolved

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>over time, so you know, perhaps if I'd applied twenty

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 1>years ago, I wouldn't have met it. Psychological profiles have

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>shifted that they desire the preference for different kinds of

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>sem professionals who shifted over time. So yeah, there is

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>certainly a sense of luck and circumstance there. However, you know,

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that's how all me and my classmates felt. We all

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of got there, the six of us, and we're like, well,

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>we may all have a bit of imposter syndrome and

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>have our doubts that we're here now, so let's make

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the most of it and become what we hope we deserve.

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>These realms.

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the bit I'm so excited about because

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I have always had a love of the sciences, and

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>like you did, I study a lot of them at school,

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps it was I don't know, a lack of

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>visibility of what I could do with it, or I

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 2>thought that it would translate into medicine and I didn't

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 2>like blood, so I kind of fell into law. But

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>there's still always been a deep love for science and

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>a fascination with space. So now I just totally want

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to nerd out on the bit where you actually become

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>an astronaut, where you do the zero gravity flights, where

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>you learn what that feels like, all of those juicy

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>procedural questions. And I was reading that you have to

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>qualify under a particular flag, and it's usually the flag

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of a country that has a space program. But so

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>there have been astronauts who are Australian, but you were

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the first astronaut who has qualified under the Australian flag,

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 2>which is just so incredibly exciting. So can you explain

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that to us a little bit.

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's right at the stage of selection. So

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>normally astronauts are selected under a human space white progre.

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>So NASA has the Human Space Flight Program, the Canadians,

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the Japanese, the Europeans, the Russians, the Chinese have their

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>own program and it's under those programs that the selections

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>are run. So Australia agreeing for me to be on

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>the European program representing Australia was the point at which

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I represented Australia. So when we received our blue flight

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>suits and our jackets like I'm wearing now with the

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Australian flag on the shoulder, you know, it was quite

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>an emotional moment for everyone to get the chance to

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>see their own country's flag on the shoulder, because you

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>know of what that represents in terms of opportunity for

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>their nation, and for me knowing it was the first time,

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I thought that was pretty amazing and I

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>hope to unlock the opportunity for others to follow and

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>faster than it would have been happening otherwise as well.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that is so cool.

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine everyone seeing yeah an Australian flag

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>for the first time, representing Yeah on such a big platform.

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>So in terms of the training, I read that you

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>were recently in a snow cave for winter survival training

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>that was like firefighting training. What did you actually what

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 2>are the parts of your training?

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Calls yees. The training was amazing because as an astronaut

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>today you have to really be in all arounder and

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>when you graduate, you can't call yourself an astronaut right away.

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>You're an ascan or astronaut candidate until you pass this

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>thirteen month long training in our case, and it's the

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>same curriculum that NASA has that the other human space

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>agencies have that are belonging to the International Space Station program.

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Then NASA offers it, the Europeans offer it, Russia offers it,

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think Japan trains their own astronauts too. But

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>in our case, we had to study so many different topics.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>We studied so many sciences because in space you're scientists

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>in the sky. Your the hands, the eyes, the ears

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of the scientists on the ground that have developed all

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>these experiments, and usually a lot of your mission is

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>your country's experiments as well, so you need to understand

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing and to also be able to commute

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>unicate what's happening with the experiment back to the scientists.

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>We studied medicine because in space our bodies change, and

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>because our bodies change with ultimate adapters. We don't need

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>as strong muscles or bones because we don't walk around,

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>so our bodies shed them. We have less blood volume.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>We are immune system changes, our eyesight changes, are almost

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>every system in the body changes, and that means that

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>we're also medical guinea pigs for conditions on Earth that

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>may emulate that, for example, o stereoporosis, and we're learning

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>more and more each year about these. One of the

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>newer areas of research, for example, is the eye sight issues,

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>which are thought to be due to pressure and your

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>eyes and your brain and the differences and the interocular

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and indocranial pressure, and that can also be relevant to

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 1>research on Earth into things like glorcroma. That's just one example,

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>But that meant that we had to learn about the

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>body and augmented reality first, because apart from one of

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the thicks of us, we're all pretty new to medicine

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>aside from first aid, so we had to learn, yeah,

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>this really great system augmented reality. You can kind of

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>expand bits of the body and walk through them and

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.479
<v Speaker 1>do it. As a class, we learned how to do

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>things like stitches and drips and ultrasounds and different kinds

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>of diagnostic equipment and drawing blood, and we also learn

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>about how to look after ourselves in space, all the

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>exercise you have to do in the gym up there

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>because there's a treadmill and a bike.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course, and there's no doctors, right like, there's no

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>other doctors unless.

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>An astronauts career as a doctor, but that's not always

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the case, so you have to rely on each other,

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>so you do a little birthdaid. So that's how we

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>learned to do things like CPR in zero gravity or

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>planes or lomba comments as well, you doing a handstand

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>on someone and doing squads on the roof. So that

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>was pretty crazy and the novel CPR actually because it's

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>all in one line, you're not bending.

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Over, Oh my gosh. Okay.

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And so then the snow cave was for winter survival training.

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So in addition to medicine and science, we also

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>did engineering and learn about the systems up there and

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the new space stations and how to operate them. We

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>learned how to drive the huge rebody calm on the

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>space station to move around astronauts or vehicles or capture them.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 1>We did that in a simulator and had to qualify

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 1>in a big exam. We did survival expeditions to hone

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>our human behavior and performance training, how to work well

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 1>in teams, and also for the practical skills in case

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 1>something went wrong in our mission. So we did ocean

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>survival training and winter survival training and fire fighting and rescue.

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>So that kind of built on my prior experiences in

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the State Emergency Services, Surf Life Saving and the Army Reserve.

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>So it was nice to think back those times in

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>my life. But yeah, they were amazing. I really enjoyed those.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I actually read that you were in the Army Reserved

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and then that you did one of the interviews you

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 2>did recently from the Surf Life Saving Club, and I

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, what do you have some sort of time

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>travel thing going on with the astronaut qualicum? Like when

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>did you add two children?

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Like when did you fit all this stuff in?

0:34:58.440 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I like being busy.

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's obviously no surprise that you like having a

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 2>busy brain and a busybody, like back from the school

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>days being head prefect with fifty five thousand extracurricult activities.

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not surprising to me that you became our first

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>astronaut so incredibly impressive. What about like zero gravity preparation?

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's a flight that you do where

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 2>it simulates zero gravity, and then there's also like aging

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and how time is different when you get there as well,

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>so you could come back and not have aged when

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>your family have aged, Like talk to us about that

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and what actually feels like.

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So there's two major ways, well three major ways

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>we prepare for a zero grad. One of them is

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.359
<v Speaker 1>just virtual reality to understand all the way the way

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>things are up there, and it can simulate a bit

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>of what you're experiencing. We did a lot of that

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>on the training. We also did scuba diving in really

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>deep pools where they've got life size modules of the

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>International Space Station.

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 4>Life size, Yeah, like full scale, like really really detailed,

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 4>with all the wires and everything in hand hold, and

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 4>you just instead of you know, scuba diving and descending

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 4>over like a coral reef, you're over a huge International

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 4>space station.

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So the International Space Station is about the size of

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a soccer pitch. It's one hundred and nine meters across.

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>But in the pools, we just have the parts with

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>air in them, so that's about the size of an aircraft, right,

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty big. Still, we go on the outside of

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 1>them with all the tools in space suits, and you

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>work in teams of two with mission control in your ear,

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>learning how to get along. But the issue with being

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>underwater is that water is heavy, right, so it gets

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.280
<v Speaker 1>hard to start moving something and easier to stop moving

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>something when you're in zero gravity and air, like in space.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Inside the space station, you move around really easily. If

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>you do a space work, you can move really heavy things,

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but it can be hard to you know, move them

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>around in the same way. So to train for that,

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we go in these zero gravity planes or vomit comments,

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>which are basically aircraft with all the feats taken out

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and filled with a bit of padding, and you go

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>in about twenty two second bursts in zero gravity. And

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the way it works is that the plane flies in

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.919
<v Speaker 1>like a rollercoaster, like a parabola, and the same way

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>that when you throw a ball, the second you let

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>it go, it's in zero gravity. The plane kind of

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.959
<v Speaker 1>flies in an arc and you're basically skydiving inside the plane, right,

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>so you don't get the air rush, but you're floating.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:31.240
<v Speaker 1>You're in low gravity. So the first time that happens. Basically,

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you're on the ground when you start, and then you

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of push off with like your pinky finger, ever

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>so slightly, and everyone smiles so big because it's the

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>weirdest feeling. Your smile goes up as a gravity drops

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>off and it doesn't feel like you jump. It feels

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>like the floor to sounds beneath you, because there's no

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>sense of going up or down, and you get this

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 1>urge to swim like you just want to kick to

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>move around, and you have to control briefed about that

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 1>you might boot your friend in the face if you kick, yeah,

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 1>feet under control and don't jump, or you know, you'll

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>bash yourself on the other side. So really slow, really

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>controlled movements, and you could see that the experienced ploone

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>astronauts were moving around really calmly, and all of us

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>rookies were pingpong bawling around because once you start moving

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it So we did that, not just to move around,

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>but we did stations like CPR. We learned how to

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>use a drill in zereal gravity. By holding on you

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>have to brace with your hands, otherwise you'll spin two

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:32.839
<v Speaker 1>with the other way to the drill. You'll spin like

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>if you don't control that, And we did other things

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>like how to move around using our feet under bars

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>so we have our hands free. And the second you

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>missed air or you bang your toe, you bounce backwards

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you're flandering on the roof.

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>So it takes a bit of getting used to it.

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 2>And do you have to do all of that in

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty two second? Berths like, you can only have that

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>short amount of time.

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And in between two gc you're twice your weight in between,

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you have to kind of go back and forward.

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>And that's where a lot of people get sick, but

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>we're all luckily okay, oh my goodness.

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 2>And so the toll on your body, how does that

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>actually like what is the research on putting your body

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>under those conditions? Not just in training, but then when

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>you do actually go on a space mission, like for example,

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 2>the astronauts who were stuck on the ISS, I didn't

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>know that was stuck in like an aircraft size. For

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>some reason, I thought it was like I've got Star

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Wars in my brain, Like this gigantic city that they're

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:32.280
<v Speaker 2>living it up there, what would like they be doing

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:32.879
<v Speaker 2>right now?

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Like is it.

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>It's zero gravity inside like on the treadmill and stuff.

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the inside the space stations all zero gravity.

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>There's no artificial gravity station ever being put up there.

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>So the internal volume of the space station is like

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the passenger part of an A three eighty. Basically, it's

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a bunch of caravans bolted together if

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 1>you want to think, like in terms of layout. And

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>it's been up there, you know, continuously inhabited since the

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 1>year two thousand. Whoa, So it's been a long time,

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and usually astronauts got up there for six months at

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>a time, so the longer duration missions sometimes for a year,

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes just for two weeks. And up there you have

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to exercise for two hours a day to maintain your

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>bone and muscle mass, and you're cutting your vascular system

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>because to do spacewalks is hard to come back to Earth,

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you go through a lot of g forces and you

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>need to be able to, you know, get out of

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the capsule in an emergency if you land, for example,

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>where you're not meant to and things like that. So

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 1>nutrition and exercise science are a big part of both

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>research and operations on the space theation.

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, And what about like going to

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the bathroom and eating, Like, how does if there's no gravity,

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 2>how do you.

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Go to the bathroom very very carefully. So there's two

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>toilets up there. I'm qualified on one of them so far.

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Basically it looks quite different to a toilet on Earth.

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>In space, you want to recycle as much as possible

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>because taking anything to space takes a lot of effort.

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>So all the water is recycled. See number one is

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>all recycled. Yesterday's coffee becomes tomorrow's coffee. A lot of

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.760
<v Speaker 1>that technology has been really helpful for you know, systems

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>on Earth too. For the number two is it doesn't

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 1>look like a normal toilet. It looks like sort of

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like a bin and like like a nappy bin. Each

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>each use goes into a plastic bag and gets you know,

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>pushed down and then there's burn up in the atmosphere

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>like shooting stars later when take come back. But yeah,

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the first time you go, you're encouraged to leave you

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>close outside the qubicle because if something goes wrong, you

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>have to do what's called a float of shame back

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to get your new clothes. One of all the cameras

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and all the mission controls around the world. But yeah,

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>it's complicated, but it's important. We're hygiene cup there. There's

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 1>no bars or showers, right, so there's like a wet

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>white situation. You can still wash your hair, brush your teeth,

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.879
<v Speaker 1>but it's all different to how you do it on Earth,

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>when you know people like shave or there's like a

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>hose that sucks the hair out, or you clip your nails.

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 1>You can't just let it fly around the cabin or

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>getting someone's eye or something right, So you have to

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>be really, really careful, and a lot of this daily

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>life stuff you have to adapt to pretty fast. Eating

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>you can eat a lot of foods in space. You

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>can't really take anything up there that creates crumbs because

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it could get in the airfielters or you know, in

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 1>people's noses or whatever. So things like salt and pepper

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 1>or in liquid form. You don't usually have bread. You

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>might have a tortilla. And usually you also can't really

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>have fresh food for a long time because it's about

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>three months between resupply. So you might get you know,

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>some astronauts bringing you some fresh fruit, but you got

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.799
<v Speaker 1>to eat it right away. Most food's really sterilized, but

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it's all the nutritional profiles really well looked after. You

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>can still have your tea and coffee. It might be instant,

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it is what it is.

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about cutting your

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:49.280
<v Speaker 2>nails and stuff.

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 3>That is so crazy.

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay. And one of the coolest things if in

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 2>case anyone was cauestioning your intelligence, which they absolutely are

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 2>not after the million degrees and all the wonderful things

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 2>that you've been doing, is that not only have you

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 2>done qualification to be an astronaut and become basically a

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>doctor and basically bear grills and done all these things,

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you also had to learn Russian because half of the

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 2>ISS is Russian.

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a huge part of the ISS is the Russian segment,

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>another huge part of the American segment, which includes the

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Europeans and the Japanese and the Canadian parts of the

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 1>space station, and so everyone that goes up there has

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>to learn English and Russian. So that was really hard

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>for me. We had eight weeks of lessons spread over

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>four months and with other subjects in between, and yeah,

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 1>that was full on. I'm not great at languages, so

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I really had to take a breath and put the

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>extra effort in from the beginning. But I came through

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the other side fine. And when I passed that, I

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, right, you know, now I can see a

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>light at the end of the tunnel that I'm going

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.919
<v Speaker 1>to get through this training because it's not guaranteed you well,

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was really great to have the chance

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 1>to do something like that that I'd never normally do.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are surprised that we do that

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>on astronaut training. And also humanity is like space law

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and history we learn about as well.

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, space law of course. I actually think

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the coolest things about science. And we did

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 2>actually a women in Science miniseries on the show for

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the purpose of like sharing more pathways for females and

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 2>stem And one of the things that I love is

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>that science is one of those areas. I feel like

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>sport is the same, especially the Olympics, where geographical boundaries

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 2>or conflicts or issues.

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Of course it still can.

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Be tense, but the fact that all of these countries

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 2>can share one space station, like in the name of science,

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 2>so many things are put aside, and that is just

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 2>so cool that you're all there for the same outcome.

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>It's for the furtherance of science. I just love that

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and the history of everyone sort of progressing together.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 3>It's so cool.

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an amazing seeing the International Space Station. It's

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>actually been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for a

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>peace on Earth. I think when countries have, you know,

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>these spaces level discovery activities, it's really unifying. Countries that

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>might not otherwise be like minded can get behind the

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>same positive goals and work together in a really visible way.

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think that can set up great frameworks going

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.399
<v Speaker 1>forward for dealing with other challenges on Earth. So yeah,

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>it's great to be part of such a big venture.

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.280
<v Speaker 2>And so it took thirteen months, which is it seems

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>like a long time, but it also seems like an

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 2>incredibly short time given how much you fitted in and

0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>most people couldn't learn Russian alone, let alone all the

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 2>other things you've done in that amount of time. And

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.399
<v Speaker 2>I was reading that your husband, Campbell, took the year

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 2>off to look after your two girls while you did training.

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>The girls do they are they interested in space? How

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>was that for him as well? Did you find the

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 2>dynamic of careers and prioritizing one.

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Or the other. Like, how has that all worked out

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 3>for you guys?

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been an amazing adventure for us all. You know,

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 1>becoming an astronaut. Being an astronaut is a whole of

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 1>family endeavor. Really, it's a shared achievement for the whole family,

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>no matter you're It takes a lot of time, just

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>like other careers, like for Antarctic expeditioners or those in

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.879
<v Speaker 1>defense or other jobs where a parent is often very

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>busy or away for periods of time. It requires everyone

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to get behind it. And I was very fortunate. I'm

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>grateful to my husband. He's a space engineer. We have

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 1>had parallel careers. They met at UNI, so he really

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 1>understood the amazingness of this opportunity. And we never said

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 1>do we do this? It was more how do we

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 1>need it and how do we make it work? And yeah,

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 1>he's back working again now full time as a space engineers,

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>So it was just a short period in time that

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I had to make such a sacrifice. But yeah, amazing.

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 1>He said that I took a bit more time off

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>when we had kids, so now it was his turn

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.439
<v Speaker 1>and we're able to hear that and normally we share

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 1>everything fifty to fifty, so now we're just refinding that balance.

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, for the kids, it was great. My daughter's

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>are six and eight, and at the Astronauts Center, they

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 1>called it the Astronauts Playground. They got to climb all

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>over the simulators and the mock ups, and lots of

0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>other astronauts have kids, so they were able to be

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>part of that community. And I hope that should I

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>get the chance to go to Space, they'll be able

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>to pick up the phone and call their mates and

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 1>ask any questions they have that they prefer to get

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>from other kids that have been through the same thing.

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 1>And then I think was that at their school, some

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:18.759
<v Speaker 1>of the other kids with the astronauts kids, so they

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 1>went special. Some of the other kids' parents have been

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to space, so it really removed that ego out of

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.359
<v Speaker 1>it and made it just an exciting and exciting time

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>and they got the chance to learn some Jairman and

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 1>things like that.

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, oh my gosh.

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I followed quite a few female astronauts and

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I love that a lot of you do have children,

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and it does kind of show that one of the

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 2>biggest barriers I think you would expect would be making

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:45.399
<v Speaker 2>time for child bearing in any career for mums, it's

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>a really hard thing to work out what's the best

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 2>time and how do you fit it in and will

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>it be a detraction from your eligibility for the career

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 2>that you're in. But especially when, as you said, it

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 2>was like there's specific windows you can be an astronaut

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>from two thousand and nine, it didn't happen again until

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, Like there's you know you've got you've

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 2>got brief windows. But it's amazing that you are a

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 2>shining example that you can do both and it takes

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a bit of juggling, but it all works out. So,

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.399
<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, you've got your silver wings now, which

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 2>is to qualify as an astronaut, but you get your

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 2>gold wings when you actually.

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Go to space. So how does that work.

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 2>With mission planning?

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:23.439
<v Speaker 3>Like you said, it's up in the air.

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 2>You don't actually there's no guarantee that once you become

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a qualified astronaut you'll go. But when our missions announced

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and sort of how are the team's picked and are

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 2>you constantly buying for that position or does it just

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 2>come out of nowhere?

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 1>It's up to you a country if they want to

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>pursue a site or that's gonna want so for the

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>for my class, the other fives, because they're part of

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 1>an existing human space flight program, they've forgot missions planned

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>up until twenty thirty, which is really exciting. You know,

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>two of them have already been a signed ones going

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>up in a year and a half, so I'm tu

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>during them one. It's very exciting. This is very new

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 1>for Australia and it was sort of an opportunity I

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>think that with a surprise. So Australia is rightly taking

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.399
<v Speaker 1>a breath and I guess figuring out what the right

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 1>path forward is for our country. Yeah, we'll see what

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>the future holds. You know, the Australian Space Agency is

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.439
<v Speaker 1>just six years old and our sectors only just really

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>started broadening and deepening its activities. But we have so

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 1>much potential to offer the world stage on the world

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 1>stage through human spaceflight, and we'll see what comes next.

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.959
<v Speaker 1>You know, astronauts got up to the space station every

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>three months. Soon they'll be you know, a space station

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 1>around the Moon. Astronaut flights going back to the surface

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:39.399
<v Speaker 1>of the Moon. They'll happen roughly every year. And yeah,

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 1>it's up to individual countries how they would like to

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>be involved in that. Normally, the way it's done, for example,

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>at Stake Canada, Canada invests in a huge red body

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 1>calm on the space station when we learned to fly,

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and in return they get astronauts, So they invest in

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.240
<v Speaker 1>their country. It's not about purchasing the ticket, because should

0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 1>an astronaut go to space, they go there with a

0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 1>big sweet scientific experiments, a science program from their country,

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 1>education experiments, and an education program with all the schools

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.720
<v Speaker 1>following along. And also it's a big international relations pace

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>for the international relationships with all the other countries. So

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll see. Yeah, And I mean if hopefully I get

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the chance to go to space. If I don't, I

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>hope to help the next Aussie that does. And we'll see,

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:22.759
<v Speaker 1>we'll see what that.

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's so interesting that you don't know,

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Like it's crazy. Would would you get a certain amount

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:30.880
<v Speaker 2>of notice?

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Like would there be.

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 2>You have to be given a year's notice because you

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>have to do a year of physical preparation, Like how

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:36.720
<v Speaker 2>does that all work?

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So to go to space usually it's a six

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>month mission for professional astronauts there's about one hundred professional

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:48.240
<v Speaker 1>astronauts globally, about half for American Wow. Yeah, So Australia

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.720
<v Speaker 1>is the only country that's not an International Space Station

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:56.319
<v Speaker 1>partner that has astronauts apart from the UAE who just

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>qualified some astronauts, but they're involved in another space station,

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the Chinese program. So there's only very few countries that

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 1>have them. So we're very lucky to have this chance. So, yeah,

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>astronauts usually go up for six months, and for a

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>six month mission, it's about a two year lead time

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 1>of mission specific training. If an astronaut have a two

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>week mission, which is done through another contracting way, a

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>six a two week mission is about six months of training. Wow.

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:27.839
<v Speaker 1>But it's all landing. So part of the selection is, Yeah,

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 1>your country puts you forward and then an international panel

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.439
<v Speaker 1>helps assign to the right mission for your skill set.

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 3>And how many astronauts at one time would go up?

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Like do you sort of there's other like like flights

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and you like get a seat on a flight.

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Is that kind of how it all works?

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Absolutely so today for the International Space Station, there's

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 1>two vehicles that are qualified to go up. So there's

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>an American vehicle and a Russian vehicle, and the American

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>has four seats and the Russian three and each one

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.720
<v Speaker 1>goes up. You know, there's people going up every three months,

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and Cruise got for six months. They overlapped. That's three

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So usually there's you know, seven people in the space station,

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.359
<v Speaker 1>plus in the overlap, there'll be more. If there's two

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>week missions going up, there'll be more. And yeah, so

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I think right now in the space station there's nine people,

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.919
<v Speaker 1>including the two that were up there a bit longer

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.320
<v Speaker 1>than expected because they're on an experimental vehicle.

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh, I can't believe that. So my

0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 2>other question was your psychological training. So there's obviously so

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>much physical prep, but I get the feeling that I

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.359
<v Speaker 2>would not only be so overwhelmed and excited and just

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 2>my brain exploding everywhere, but also the maybe existential crisis

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 2>of being off Earth and looking back at it, and

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 2>then sort of reverse claustrophobia of once you're there you

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.839
<v Speaker 2>can't leave. Like sometimes when you go overseas you sort

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>of get homesick, Well, you can just get on a flight.

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Worst case, when you go to space, it's like you

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>actually can't get back until a vehicle that can get

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.240
<v Speaker 2>to space, you know, like it's there's very limited options,

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.240
<v Speaker 2>So do you do that kind of like in your training,

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 2>was that psychological panic scenario kind of dealt with? And

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 2>how do you even prepare for the feeling of being like,

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:10.560
<v Speaker 2>get me out of here when you have to wait

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.240
<v Speaker 2>six months versus just buying a flight.

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the psychological element of the selection and training was

0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>quite significant, even more than i'd expected, you know, we know,

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that traditionally a lot of astronauts were fighter

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>pilots and test pilots way back at the beginning of

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the space age, and that suited well for the experimental

0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:31.239
<v Speaker 1>vehicles they were flying, and that risk profile and the

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:36.840
<v Speaker 1>fact it was very much flying like their normal jobs today.

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're up there for weeks to months. You

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>have to get along doing good science of people and

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a combined, isolated, complicated environment. So the psychological component is

0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>bigger because the consequences of something going wrong psychologically a

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 1>bigger And the profile that selectors look for now has

0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>been built on lessons learned from challenges in the early

0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 1>eras of space stations, and you know what happens with

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>different team dynamics. So in this selection The second in

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 1>person round was the psychological round, and they were looking

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to see, you know, to make sure that we didn't

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>have aggressive tendencies, that we didn't take blame when it

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't us to take as well at the other end

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.240
<v Speaker 1>of the spectrum, that we are the kind of people

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 1>that can deal with uncertainty and do well in a

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>good or bad situation, whatever that may be. For example,

0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>if you drop a tool bag on a spacewalk, that

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you can take a breath and get on doing the

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>job rather than dwelling on it and things like that.

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 1>And they really were also looking at, you know, the

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of person that has a positive mindset in a

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 1>situation rather than going into a negative spiral. And you

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 1>should be really flexible, the kind of person that can

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.800
<v Speaker 1>get on well with other people and go for the

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>team goal over the personal goal. But yeah, it would

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 1>have been really interesting being in the psychological panel. We

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.600
<v Speaker 1>had eight of us per day. We're at the Astronaut Center.

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>We're followed around by you know, flowing astronauts as part

0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of saying if they'd trust us with the lives, and

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the right astronauts adust each other with your lives. So

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the profiles matter. We did stress tests in teams, in pairs,

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:14.319
<v Speaker 1>we had individual psych analyzes, we had panel interviews and

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of things. So that was really interesting.

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, that is so interesting.

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I kn't even imagine being followed around just to be

0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:24.880
<v Speaker 2>evaluated on my like would you save my life in

0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 2>a dramatic situation in space? So I don't know how

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 2>you would have much time left over because I imagine

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 2>when you know you're not training or speaking about being

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:39.279
<v Speaker 2>an astronaut, and then you actually are a director of

0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Space Technology at the Australian Space Agency, which is, you know,

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 2>a full time job in itself, plus a mum to

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:47.319
<v Speaker 2>two girls. But I have to ask because a big

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>part of this show, even though I've just spoken all

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 2>about your career, is that we do have identities outside

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.799
<v Speaker 2>of our profession and our passion. And even if you

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 2>do love your job, it is really important to sometimes

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.400
<v Speaker 2>get a bit of distance from it and have some

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 2>downtime even so that you don't burn out. And I

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 2>can imagine with the demands of your training, it's a

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>high risk of burning out physically or mentally or emotionally.

0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 2>So how do you relax if you do do you

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 2>watch you know, trashy TV shows? Do you go for

0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 2>a walk, like, what is your sort of you guys

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 2>that you're in South Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm from Sydney but living in Adelaide, so yeah,

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>well that's really evolving over time. Honestly. Even though the

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 1>astronaut training is intense, a lot of what we do

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>there builds on things that I would normally do. Is

0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.799
<v Speaker 1>almost my hobbies like scuba diving, formally flying, you know,

0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 1>things like that. Fitness. But yeah, for me, I try

0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and make sure I have time outside of work, and

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I do that by overlapping things where I can. What

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is I prefer to cycle for

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 1>my commute rather than drive because you know, it might

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:55.120
<v Speaker 1>take double the time, but half of that time is exercise.

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And while I do that, I'll listen to, you know,

0:56:57.280 --> 0:57:00.799
<v Speaker 1>a podcast about something I'm learning to catch up on

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that time and really be efficient. I've also got better

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>at boundaries since I became a parent. I think I

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 1>became a better engineer and also a better person at

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.440
<v Speaker 1>setting boundaries when I became a parent, because it was

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.880
<v Speaker 1>no longer just about me and my ambitions, right, you

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>need to make sure that you're looking after your kids too,

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 1>So I became better at saying no to things that

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 1>were less worth doing and having higher standards for what

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>needed to be done. You know, my hobbies, I really like,

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, scuba diving, I really like surf life saving.

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I really like, you know, going to the beach and

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 1>water sports and things like that. My kids, you know,

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:41.760
<v Speaker 1>like going bike riding, to going with family bike rides

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and those kinds of things. But yeah, it really has

0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to be an active decision to make sure I have

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 1>time to relax outside work at the moment and over

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the past year, but that was really enforced on the

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:56.480
<v Speaker 1>training that we need to do that, which again surprised me,

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>but I'm really appreciative of. In space, you know, it's

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>about making sure you're well rested enough to work hard,

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 1>rather than have worked hard enough to deserve rest, because

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.520
<v Speaker 1>if you burn yourself out, you're doing no one any

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 1>favors and you might be putting your crew in danger.

0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's really strongly pushed that you have self care.

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 1>And in space, astronauts do hobbies like they have sometimes

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:22.760
<v Speaker 1>musical instruments up there. A lot of people do photography

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 1>because we've trained on how to use the cameras up

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>there to take beautiful pictures of the stars and Earth,

0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and some astronauts have done funny things like, you know,

0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>team performances and stuff in their spare time. And there's

0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:36.560
<v Speaker 1>even a movie night up there on Friday.

0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's so cool.

0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:40.919
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I could keep asking you questions all day. I

0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 2>have so many more questions, but I am as you said,

0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I know you're being very discerning with your time, which

0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 2>makes me just even more grateful to have had this.

0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Hour with you.

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And I've learned so much, and I so desperately hope

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:56.439
<v Speaker 2>that you do get to go to space and we'll

0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.919
<v Speaker 2>all be following you and cheering you on. Is there

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 2>anywhere that we can follow your journey? I mean obviously

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 2>at the Australian Space Agency, but you've been doing really

0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:09.640
<v Speaker 2>amazing talks. I think you did something with Lego recently,

0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>which is actually my husband who sent He sent me

0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 2>your profile from the Lego page and I was like,

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.960
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, it's the same astronaut that I've been

0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to get onto.

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Where can we find you?

0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Ah? Thank you? So I'm on Instagram at ozzy astro

0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Katherine and on ex at Ozzie astro kat. I'm also

0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.240
<v Speaker 1>on LinkedIn and just recently on Facebook.

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:32.080
<v Speaker 2>To amazing Well. I'll include links to all of that

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes and we will be following so keenly.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations on everything, and thank you so.

0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Much for time. I appreciate it, and thank you so

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 1>much for being so well researched. Not many people are,

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, you were just dropping in all these things

0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:48.160
<v Speaker 1>there and I appreciated that. Thank you.

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, you have the coolest story. I actually

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.600
<v Speaker 2>had to cut myself off from researching because I just

0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>was going down a wormhole of what has this woman

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:56.920
<v Speaker 2>not done?

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh my gosh, And it's such a.

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Testament to an interesting person doing cool things when you

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<v Speaker 2>know it doesn't fit in an hour. Look, the biggest

1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:09.000
<v Speaker 2>drop points don't even fit in an hour. Like I

1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about studying overseas. You studied in four countries,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, quick, we've got to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>next bit because there's so much more stuff. No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been so fascinating. You have done so much already

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<v Speaker 2>in such a short time. And then hopefully when we

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<v Speaker 2>get to see you in space, it'll just be even

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<v Speaker 2>more incredible. So congratulations. You are really such an icon

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<v Speaker 2>and role model for so many people, particularly young women

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<v Speaker 2>who yeah, now look at you and go, there are

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<v Speaker 2>female Australian athlete astronauts.

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<v Speaker 3>We can do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. I hope. So. I remember when it

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<v Speaker 1>was announced I was going to train. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>I'm North Terrace and Adelaide in front of the Space

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<v Speaker 1>Agency and I was such a deer in headlights and

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually quite like a tummy buck, looked like

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>eating jelly beans and these oh yeah, totally deer in headlights.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the press, and there was a bus

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<v Speaker 1>stop right in front, and all these uniqu students that

1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.440
<v Speaker 1>were I was next to Adelaide UNI over the road.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting off the bus and some of them started

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<v Speaker 1>getting really emotional when they saw this was happening because

1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:09.480
<v Speaker 1>they were like wow, like maybe I can do this too,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh. Well yeah, I feel like there

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<v Speaker 2>will be so many people now who you seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>flown astronauts, when you got to meet them and they

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<v Speaker 2>treated you as peers, there will be people who go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I decided to continue studying aeronautical engineering

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever because I saw that you became a candidate

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<v Speaker 2>and then you made it like that would be cool

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to hear how many people's careers.

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<v Speaker 3>Do your kids have any interest in the sciences?

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit? But they're so little, like it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to tell. Like right now, I'm just trying to expose

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<v Speaker 1>them to a lot of different things, lots of activities

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<v Speaker 1>and sports and see where the interests fall. I think

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<v Speaker 1>my oldest, she told me at the day, she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be in Ninja and work for the UN. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the two go together and being a

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<v Speaker 1>class and working for the UN, but that's her thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The youngest wants to be like a helicopter pilot astronaut

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<v Speaker 1>mummy because she like all my friends on the training

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<v Speaker 1>and for them, you know, they see women who are

1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:07.720
<v Speaker 1>like the other two women in my course once the

1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:10.800
<v Speaker 1>first helicopter test pilot from France and the others an

1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.200
<v Speaker 1>amazing astrophysicist from the UK, and like there's just no

1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:16.960
<v Speaker 1>barrier for them. They don't see it as different, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the way I like it. Hopefully they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get a realization that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think that's why visibility is so important

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<v Speaker 2>because if you've seen it even once, if you've seen it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think it makes such a difference to you

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<v Speaker 2>being able to conceive of yourself doing it, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why it's so impressive that you've done what you've done,

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<v Speaker 2>because you didn't see anyone do it before that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. I think like when the kids to

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<v Speaker 1>me say they want to be an astronaut, and like

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, but tell me what you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>with that, Like what do you want to contribute? What

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<v Speaker 1>problems do you want to help solve? Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that purpose driven perspective helps you to write your own

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<v Speaker 1>story to get there. Right. Who, like kids today at school,

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<v Speaker 1>in fifty years, they'll still be in the workforce. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years ago we didn't even have the internet. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they know what the WORL would look like? How

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<v Speaker 1>do the jobs there are? Right? But they can think

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<v Speaker 1>about what it is want to contribute and their way there.

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<v Speaker 3>That is such a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>One more question, if you don't mind that, I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought of if there was one thing, particularly in your role.

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<v Speaker 3>As Director of Space Technology, if there.

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<v Speaker 2>Was one development or discovery or possibility that you would

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<v Speaker 2>love to see apart from you in space, because we

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<v Speaker 2>would all love to see that, but apart from you

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<v Speaker 2>physically being in space, if there was a problem that

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<v Speaker 2>could be solved in your lifetime, or a technology that

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<v Speaker 2>could be invented or something, what would you love to see?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so many things can I give you?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course? Oh my god, yes, one of them is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think, in general, across the board, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to see an increase in scientific literacy in the population

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia and more globally, because without people being able

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<v Speaker 1>to critically evaluate, you know, ideas and arguments, we just

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<v Speaker 1>follow opinions. And until we can have, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>measured conversation about things that are scientifically related, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to address some of the grand

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<v Speaker 1>challenges we're facing, things like climate change and others. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of that comes down to having

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<v Speaker 1>trust in the scientific process. And I remember Ibelly even

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<v Speaker 1>learned about the details of the scientific process, still very

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<v Speaker 1>late in my degree, and only a small percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>people do scientific degrees, so we really need to have

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<v Speaker 1>that more a broader community level conversation. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>during COVID a lot of trust in applied science was

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<v Speaker 1>lost just through all the conspiracies, and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that pure science has a role to play in having,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a very non controversial discussion about how being

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<v Speaker 1>big scientific discoveries have made. So I think if there's

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<v Speaker 1>big pure science discoveries, we will help move forward that

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about scientific literacy and building trust in science. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I would like to see in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>science achievement is I would love to see evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>life of first and it's not from Earth. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's within reach and decades. You know, we're exploring Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's thought that there was at least once life on Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can find it, maybe it's subterranean. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>missions going to the icy moons of Jupiter. The three

1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:14.880
<v Speaker 1>largest moons there are thought to have water oceans beneath

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<v Speaker 1>their rest, and even though they're really far out in

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar System, the gravity of Jupiter means it's tidal

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<v Speaker 1>forces that keep those oceans liquid. And when we go

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<v Speaker 1>there with rovers and all sorts of senses, maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>find life and what that would teach us about where

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<v Speaker 1>we come from. That will change us our view of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. You know, when we have people in the

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<v Speaker 1>next decade on the Moon persistently, we will look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon and know that that isn't another body that

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<v Speaker 1>is also our home. It's the Earth Moon system that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, our world. That's our world. So that would

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<v Speaker 1>be amazing. And of course, you know, my family, like

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<v Speaker 1>many families, are being touched by cancer. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to see solutions the whole horrible diseases we have on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and space can be part of helping to address those two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't even think about things like osteoporosis and

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<v Speaker 2>bone density as being like I wouldn't have thought about

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<v Speaker 2>space research as being relevant to that. But of course

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a like a Petri dish concentrated to study

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. That's so fascinating. And I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask you about life out of Earth. How

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<v Speaker 2>was that not the first thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just got I got way too excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I got excited. We got to study astrobiology, which

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<v Speaker 1>looks at that on the astronaut training, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so interesting, and you know, it's a really

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate field and It's relevant to life on earth too,

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<v Speaker 1>because it teaches us about the resilience of life and

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<v Speaker 1>how it can adapt. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well, thank you so much, Catherine. You've been absolutely wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to have you back for like parts two

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<v Speaker 2>to ten slash two to one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to chat with you. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>If you do go to space, I am absolutely going

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<v Speaker 2>to take you off on that because I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to just I would just so hope that your trajectory does.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you there.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank yous, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>What a woman. Honestly, I found that so fascinating I

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<v Speaker 2>could have spoken to her for hours more.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

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<v Speaker 2>As mentioned, I will pop all of the links in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes, and please do share the episode tagging

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<v Speaker 2>Ozzie Astro Catherine if you loved what you heard, to

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<v Speaker 2>thank her so gratefully for her time and to help

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<v Speaker 2>spread the YA as far and white as possible. In

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<v Speaker 2>the meantime, I hope you're having an amazing week and

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<v Speaker 2>seizing your YA.