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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's different challenges along the pathway,

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Speaker 1: Today amongst astronauts, you know, only about twelve or thirteen

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Speaker 1: could get there. I think it's the same view that

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00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: a lot of Aussie kids have on the sporting pitch, right, like,

438
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: even if you're not the best in the team, even

439
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: if you're the weakest on the field, you give it

440
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: your all and you can get there as part of

441
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: that team. I think kids today often aren't encouraged or

442
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: don't know how to be themselves in academic for shoots,

443
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: unless they're close to the top of the class, but

444
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: I had that different view. Maybe it came from playing

445
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sports, and that's something that stuck with me.

446
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: When I went through the astronaut selection. I was so

447
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: thrilled just to be able to apply a huge amount

448
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: of people applied to the astronaut selection, almost twenty three

449
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: thousand from across the twenty two countries Space Agency. And

450
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: if you go in thinking am I going to be

451
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: in the top handful of this, there's no way you

452
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: believe that. No one in my class believed that they

453
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 1: would be the ones to get to the end. But

454
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: we all thought, you know what, why not me. I'm

455
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: going to throw my hat in the ring and see

456
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: how far I can get as sort of a personal challenge,

457
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: and enjoy the journey. And so for me, pushing through

458
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: all this, it's about knowing I leave nothing on the field,

459
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: putting in the effort and getting as far as I

460
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: can and making sure I enjoyed that journey. The journey

461
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: for me to become an astronaut has led me down

462
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: a space engineering career that I love in its own right,

463
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: and I'm really motivated by, you know, contributing in concrete

464
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: ways human discovery, new things, that have not been discovered before,

465
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: especially in a team environment, making you know, order out

466
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: of chaos. So a design from a huge solution space

467
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: and all of that I find really interesting. And for

468
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: the astronaut selection, because you know, Australia has never had

469
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: a call for astronauts before. I only had this passway

470
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: through the European Space Agency and the last time they

471
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: recruited was almost fifteen years before, so I wasn't eligible then.

472
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: I was a student, and so I was like, I

473
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: was like, this is my one chance I'm likely to

474
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: have in my career, and you know, becoming an astronauts

475
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: just the icing on the cake, the career you love anyway,

476
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: And when I got to the end, you know, I

477
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 1: thought that the medical would be where I'd be blocked,

478
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: like that was my goal. I'd had two kids. By

479
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: the time you're in your mid thirties, it's usually niggling

480
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: medical things that you figure would block you. And when

481
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: I got past that, it was like this barrier had

482
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: been lifted. I was like, Wow, well game on the

483
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: next panel interviews. I can prepare for panel interviews to

484
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: do my personal best and how do I compare myself

485
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: anyway to a doctor or a fighter pilot. You know,

486
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm not in the same career a line. See, you've

487
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: just got to get on with it and become good,

488
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. So at the end,

489
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: when they came to you know, the final group of

490
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: the twenty five of us that had passed everything, They're like,

491
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: you're all good enough, and that was amazing, you know,

492
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: to know that. But then you know they had to

493
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: make a down selection for the number of flights and

494
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: seats they had. And I think I'd protected myself well

495
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: until that point because at every stage of the six

496
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: knockout round of the selection five, by that point I

497
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: never expected to get through. So everything every time was

498
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: a bottle of champagne. But this time you're waiting for

499
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: that phone call. That's a flatting doors moment in your life. Right,

500
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: Are you going to be an astronaut like the best

501
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: thing that iver hoped to do with your life? Or

502
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: do you remain in your day job? And I love

503
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: my day job with the Australian Space Agency, no issue

504
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: with it, but it wasn't being an astronaut. So I

505
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: had a miscall one morning at like three or four am,

506
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: and I could see it was a number from Germany,

507
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: and I could see it was from the head of

508
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: the astronaut center because I could see photo and what's up.

509
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: And I had to wait twenty four hours to the

510
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: next time because we didn't know what day they'd call.

511
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, a few weeks had passed since the interview

512
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: and I got the note and I was like, well,

513
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: because they didn't tell us how many they would take,

514
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: and so they were very good. They just ripped the

515
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: band aid off and said we'll explain why at a

516
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: later debrief, and so it stung a bit. And I

517
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: remember it was like, you know, four in the morning

518
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: or something, and I remember looking at I had a

519
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: bottle of vodka next to my ranch. I made the

520
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: age host and I went for like a rage run

521
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: and caught all the frustration out, but probably the fastest

522
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: time I've ever done. But you know, you accept it.

523
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: And I was cheering on all the other people I

524
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: met in the selection profest at the announcement, but it

525
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: was yeah. When I had the debrief and they told

526
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: me that the reason they couldn't pick me was due

527
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: to my limited connection in Europe, I just had this

528
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: weight lifted off my shoulders because I was like, you

529
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: know what, I didn't screw up. I'd been reliving the

530
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: interview a little bit, thinking where I could have done better,

531
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: although I of course they accepted the decision because the

532
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: candidates that they picked to represent the European Space Agency

533
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: with phenomenal and that was it. So I went back

534
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: to my day job. I got on with it, and

535
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I found out sometime later that the Europeans had contacted

536
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: Australia saying they wanted to take me as part of

537
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: their core class, but I'd have to represent Australia and

538
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: they saw an opportunity not just through my performance, but

539
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: I think because of the huge potential they saw in

540
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: our country to contribute to space on the global stage,

541
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: from our engineers and our scientists, to become part of

542
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: this world that they made that. And yeah, I'm so

543
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: grateful that Australia said yes, you know, And I got

544
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: told when Annie had just over three weeks because I'd

545
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: have to get in a plane and then it was

546
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: announced two days later, and yeah, it was a wild journey.

547
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: So I had to move my family across the world

548
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: than we managed and we got there.

549
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it just blows my mind. And I

550
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: love how you just seem to have such a well adjusted,

551
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: good head on your shoulders in the face of no

552
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: or in the face of impossibility, which I think is

553
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: half the battle for people is believing that they can

554
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: do it. I feel like often it's not that they

555
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: can't actually meet all the criteria and be the best

556
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: and do the interview and do the qualifications, it's that

557
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 2: they mentally don't believe they could, so they don't even start.

558
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: Like I feel like people self select themselves out of

559
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: a lot of races, not realizing I.

560
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: Think they're two.

561
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: You just could if you just went in and tried

562
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: your best. You never know why not you. It has

563
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: to be somebody exactly.

564
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: And you know, in Europe I said, you know, almost

565
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: twenty three thousand people applied. The population of these twenty

566
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: two countries, it's hundreds and hundreds of millions, right, So

567
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: there would have been a lot more qualified STEMP professionals

568
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: that would have been eligible at the start through the

569
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: hat in the ring that didn't apply. So the biggest

570
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: cut down in all those rounds was pressing the apply button.

571
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my gosh.

572
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: And like I feel like the smallest barrier can deter

573
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: people so you might as well just push through and

574
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: then just push through again until you sort of end

575
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: up at the end. It's amazing that you didn't need

576
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: to necessarily believe that you would make it, but you

577
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: also kind of needed to believe you wouldn't, Like, it's

578
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: not impossible that you could.

579
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Make it, exactly, There's a finite possibility, hooever small, and

580
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of that in your control

581
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: if you prepare. Yeah, the criteria for astronauts has evolved

582
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: over time, so you know, perhaps if I'd applied twenty

583
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: years ago, I wouldn't have met it. Psychological profiles have

584
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: shifted that they desire the preference for different kinds of

585
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: sem professionals who shifted over time. So yeah, there is

586
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: certainly a sense of luck and circumstance there. However, you know,

587
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: that's how all me and my classmates felt. We all

588
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: kind of got there, the six of us, and we're like, well,

589
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: we may all have a bit of imposter syndrome and

590
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: have our doubts that we're here now, so let's make

591
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: the most of it and become what we hope we deserve.

592
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: These realms.

593
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: Well, this is the bit I'm so excited about because

594
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: I have always had a love of the sciences, and

595
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: like you did, I study a lot of them at school,

596
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: and perhaps it was I don't know, a lack of

597
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: visibility of what I could do with it, or I

598
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: thought that it would translate into medicine and I didn't

599
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: like blood, so I kind of fell into law. But

600
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: there's still always been a deep love for science and

601
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: a fascination with space. So now I just totally want

602
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: to nerd out on the bit where you actually become

603
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: an astronaut, where you do the zero gravity flights, where

604
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: you learn what that feels like, all of those juicy

605
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: procedural questions. And I was reading that you have to

606
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: qualify under a particular flag, and it's usually the flag

607
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: of a country that has a space program. But so

608
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: there have been astronauts who are Australian, but you were

609
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: the first astronaut who has qualified under the Australian flag,

610
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: which is just so incredibly exciting. So can you explain

611
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: that to us a little bit.

612
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's right at the stage of selection. So

613
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: normally astronauts are selected under a human space white progre.

614
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: So NASA has the Human Space Flight Program, the Canadians,

615
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: the Japanese, the Europeans, the Russians, the Chinese have their

616
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: own program and it's under those programs that the selections

617
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: are run. So Australia agreeing for me to be on

618
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: the European program representing Australia was the point at which

619
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: I represented Australia. So when we received our blue flight

620
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: suits and our jackets like I'm wearing now with the

621
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: Australian flag on the shoulder, you know, it was quite

622
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: an emotional moment for everyone to get the chance to

623
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: see their own country's flag on the shoulder, because you

624
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: know of what that represents in terms of opportunity for

625
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: their nation, and for me knowing it was the first time,

626
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that was pretty amazing and I

627
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: hope to unlock the opportunity for others to follow and

628
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: faster than it would have been happening otherwise as well.

629
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh, that is so cool.

630
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine everyone seeing yeah an Australian flag

631
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: for the first time, representing Yeah on such a big platform.

632
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: So in terms of the training, I read that you

633
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: were recently in a snow cave for winter survival training

634
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: that was like firefighting training. What did you actually what

635
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: are the parts of your training?

636
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Calls yees. The training was amazing because as an astronaut

637
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: today you have to really be in all arounder and

638
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: when you graduate, you can't call yourself an astronaut right away.

639
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: You're an ascan or astronaut candidate until you pass this

640
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: thirteen month long training in our case, and it's the

641
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: same curriculum that NASA has that the other human space

642
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: agencies have that are belonging to the International Space Station program.

643
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: Then NASA offers it, the Europeans offer it, Russia offers it,

644
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: and I think Japan trains their own astronauts too. But

645
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: in our case, we had to study so many different topics.

646
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: We studied so many sciences because in space you're scientists

647
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: in the sky. Your the hands, the eyes, the ears

648
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: of the scientists on the ground that have developed all

649
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: these experiments, and usually a lot of your mission is

650
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: your country's experiments as well, so you need to understand

651
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing and to also be able to commute

652
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: unicate what's happening with the experiment back to the scientists.

653
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: We studied medicine because in space our bodies change, and

654
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Speaker 1: because our bodies change with ultimate adapters. We don't need

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Speaker 1: as strong muscles or bones because we don't walk around,

656
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Speaker 1: so our bodies shed them. We have less blood volume.

657
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Speaker 1: We are immune system changes, our eyesight changes, are almost

658
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Speaker 1: every system in the body changes, and that means that

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Speaker 1: we're also medical guinea pigs for conditions on Earth that

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Speaker 1: may emulate that, for example, o stereoporosis, and we're learning

661
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Speaker 1: more and more each year about these. One of the

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Speaker 1: newer areas of research, for example, is the eye sight issues,

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Speaker 1: which are thought to be due to pressure and your

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Speaker 1: eyes and your brain and the differences and the interocular

665
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Speaker 1: and indocranial pressure, and that can also be relevant to

666
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Speaker 1: research on Earth into things like glorcroma. That's just one example,

667
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Speaker 1: But that meant that we had to learn about the

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Speaker 1: body and augmented reality first, because apart from one of

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Speaker 1: the thicks of us, we're all pretty new to medicine

670
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Speaker 1: aside from first aid, so we had to learn, yeah,

671
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Speaker 1: this really great system augmented reality. You can kind of

672
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Speaker 1: expand bits of the body and walk through them and

673
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Speaker 1: do it. As a class, we learned how to do

674
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Speaker 1: things like stitches and drips and ultrasounds and different kinds

675
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Speaker 1: of diagnostic equipment and drawing blood, and we also learn

676
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Speaker 1: about how to look after ourselves in space, all the

677
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Speaker 1: exercise you have to do in the gym up there

678
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Speaker 1: because there's a treadmill and a bike.

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Speaker 2: Of course, and there's no doctors, right like, there's no

680
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Speaker 2: other doctors unless.

681
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Speaker 1: An astronauts career as a doctor, but that's not always

682
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Speaker 1: the case, so you have to rely on each other,

683
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Speaker 1: so you do a little birthdaid. So that's how we

684
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Speaker 1: learned to do things like CPR in zero gravity or

685
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Speaker 1: planes or lomba comments as well, you doing a handstand

686
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Speaker 1: on someone and doing squads on the roof. So that

687
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Speaker 1: was pretty crazy and the novel CPR actually because it's

688
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Speaker 1: all in one line, you're not bending.

689
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Speaker 3: Over, Oh my gosh. Okay.

690
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Speaker 2: And so then the snow cave was for winter survival training.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So in addition to medicine and science, we also

692
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Speaker 1: did engineering and learn about the systems up there and

693
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Speaker 1: the new space stations and how to operate them. We

694
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Speaker 1: learned how to drive the huge rebody calm on the

695
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Speaker 1: space station to move around astronauts or vehicles or capture them.

696
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Speaker 1: We did that in a simulator and had to qualify

697
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Speaker 1: in a big exam. We did survival expeditions to hone

698
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Speaker 1: our human behavior and performance training, how to work well

699
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Speaker 1: in teams, and also for the practical skills in case

700
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Speaker 1: something went wrong in our mission. So we did ocean

701
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Speaker 1: survival training and winter survival training and fire fighting and rescue.

702
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Speaker 1: So that kind of built on my prior experiences in

703
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Speaker 1: the State Emergency Services, Surf Life Saving and the Army Reserve.

704
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Speaker 1: So it was nice to think back those times in

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Speaker 1: my life. But yeah, they were amazing. I really enjoyed those.

706
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Speaker 2: I actually read that you were in the Army Reserved

707
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Speaker 2: and then that you did one of the interviews you

708
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Speaker 2: did recently from the Surf Life Saving Club, and I

709
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Speaker 2: was like, what do you have some sort of time

710
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Speaker 2: travel thing going on with the astronaut qualicum? Like when

711
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Speaker 2: did you add two children?

712
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Speaker 3: Like when did you fit all this stuff in?

713
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Speaker 1: I like being busy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's obviously no surprise that you like having a

715
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Speaker 2: busy brain and a busybody, like back from the school

716
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Speaker 2: days being head prefect with fifty five thousand extracurricult activities.

717
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Speaker 2: It's not surprising to me that you became our first

718
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Speaker 2: astronaut so incredibly impressive. What about like zero gravity preparation?

719
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Speaker 2: So I think there's a flight that you do where

720
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Speaker 2: it simulates zero gravity, and then there's also like aging

721
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Speaker 2: and how time is different when you get there as well,

722
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Speaker 2: so you could come back and not have aged when

723
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Speaker 2: your family have aged, Like talk to us about that

724
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Speaker 2: and what actually feels like.

725
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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's two major ways, well three major ways

726
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Speaker 1: we prepare for a zero grad. One of them is

727
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Speaker 1: just virtual reality to understand all the way the way

728
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Speaker 1: things are up there, and it can simulate a bit

729
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Speaker 1: of what you're experiencing. We did a lot of that

730
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Speaker 1: on the training. We also did scuba diving in really

731
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Speaker 1: deep pools where they've got life size modules of the

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Speaker 1: International Space Station.

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Speaker 4: Life size, Yeah, like full scale, like really really detailed,

734
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Speaker 4: with all the wires and everything in hand hold, and

735
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Speaker 4: you just instead of you know, scuba diving and descending

736
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Speaker 4: over like a coral reef, you're over a huge International

737
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Speaker 4: space station.

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Speaker 1: So the International Space Station is about the size of

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Speaker 1: a soccer pitch. It's one hundred and nine meters across.

740
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Speaker 1: But in the pools, we just have the parts with

741
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Speaker 1: air in them, so that's about the size of an aircraft, right,

742
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: it's pretty big. Still, we go on the outside of

743
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Speaker 1: them with all the tools in space suits, and you

744
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: work in teams of two with mission control in your ear,

745
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: learning how to get along. But the issue with being

746
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Speaker 1: underwater is that water is heavy, right, so it gets

747
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: hard to start moving something and easier to stop moving

748
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Speaker 1: something when you're in zero gravity and air, like in space.

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Speaker 1: Inside the space station, you move around really easily. If

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Speaker 1: you do a space work, you can move really heavy things,

751
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Speaker 1: but it can be hard to you know, move them

752
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Speaker 1: around in the same way. So to train for that,

753
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Speaker 1: we go in these zero gravity planes or vomit comments,

754
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Speaker 1: which are basically aircraft with all the feats taken out

755
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: and filled with a bit of padding, and you go

756
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Speaker 1: in about twenty two second bursts in zero gravity. And

757
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Speaker 1: the way it works is that the plane flies in

758
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Speaker 1: like a rollercoaster, like a parabola, and the same way

759
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Speaker 1: that when you throw a ball, the second you let

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Speaker 1: it go, it's in zero gravity. The plane kind of

761
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Speaker 1: flies in an arc and you're basically skydiving inside the plane, right,

762
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Speaker 1: so you don't get the air rush, but you're floating.

763
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Speaker 1: You're in low gravity. So the first time that happens. Basically,

764
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Speaker 1: you're on the ground when you start, and then you

765
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Speaker 1: kind of push off with like your pinky finger, ever

766
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: so slightly, and everyone smiles so big because it's the

767
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: weirdest feeling. Your smile goes up as a gravity drops

768
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: off and it doesn't feel like you jump. It feels

769
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Speaker 1: like the floor to sounds beneath you, because there's no

770
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Speaker 1: sense of going up or down, and you get this

771
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Speaker 1: urge to swim like you just want to kick to

772
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Speaker 1: move around, and you have to control briefed about that

773
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Speaker 1: you might boot your friend in the face if you kick, yeah,

774
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Speaker 1: feet under control and don't jump, or you know, you'll

775
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: bash yourself on the other side. So really slow, really

776
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: controlled movements, and you could see that the experienced ploone

777
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: astronauts were moving around really calmly, and all of us

778
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: rookies were pingpong bawling around because once you start moving

779
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Speaker 1: it So we did that, not just to move around,

780
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Speaker 1: but we did stations like CPR. We learned how to

781
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Speaker 1: use a drill in zereal gravity. By holding on you

782
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: have to brace with your hands, otherwise you'll spin two

783
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Speaker 1: with the other way to the drill. You'll spin like

784
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Speaker 1: if you don't control that, And we did other things

785
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Speaker 1: like how to move around using our feet under bars

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Speaker 1: so we have our hands free. And the second you

787
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: missed air or you bang your toe, you bounce backwards

788
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're flandering on the roof.

789
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Speaker 1: So it takes a bit of getting used to it.

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Speaker 2: And do you have to do all of that in

791
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Speaker 2: twenty two second? Berths like, you can only have that

792
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Speaker 2: short amount of time.

793
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Speaker 1: And in between two gc you're twice your weight in between,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you have to kind of go back and forward.

795
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of people get sick, but

796
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Speaker 1: we're all luckily okay, oh my goodness.

797
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Speaker 2: And so the toll on your body, how does that

798
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Speaker 2: actually like what is the research on putting your body

799
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Speaker 2: under those conditions? Not just in training, but then when

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Speaker 2: you do actually go on a space mission, like for example,

801
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Speaker 2: the astronauts who were stuck on the ISS, I didn't

802
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: know that was stuck in like an aircraft size. For

803
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: some reason, I thought it was like I've got Star

804
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: Wars in my brain, Like this gigantic city that they're

805
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 2: living it up there, what would like they be doing

806
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: Like is it.

808
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Speaker 2: It's zero gravity inside like on the treadmill and stuff.

809
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the inside the space stations all zero gravity.

810
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: There's no artificial gravity station ever being put up there.

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Speaker 1: So the internal volume of the space station is like

812
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Speaker 1: the passenger part of an A three eighty. Basically, it's

813
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Speaker 1: kind of like a bunch of caravans bolted together if

814
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Speaker 1: you want to think, like in terms of layout. And

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Speaker 1: it's been up there, you know, continuously inhabited since the

816
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: year two thousand. Whoa, So it's been a long time,

817
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: and usually astronauts got up there for six months at

818
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Speaker 1: a time, so the longer duration missions sometimes for a year,

819
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Speaker 1: sometimes just for two weeks. And up there you have

820
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Speaker 1: to exercise for two hours a day to maintain your

821
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Speaker 1: bone and muscle mass, and you're cutting your vascular system

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Speaker 1: because to do spacewalks is hard to come back to Earth,

823
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Speaker 1: you go through a lot of g forces and you

824
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Speaker 1: need to be able to, you know, get out of

825
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: the capsule in an emergency if you land, for example,

826
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Speaker 1: where you're not meant to and things like that. So

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Speaker 1: nutrition and exercise science are a big part of both

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Speaker 1: research and operations on the space theation.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, And what about like going to

830
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Speaker 2: the bathroom and eating, Like, how does if there's no gravity,

831
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Speaker 2: how do you.

832
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Speaker 1: Go to the bathroom very very carefully. So there's two

833
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Speaker 1: toilets up there. I'm qualified on one of them so far.

834
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Speaker 1: Basically it looks quite different to a toilet on Earth.

835
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Speaker 1: In space, you want to recycle as much as possible

836
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Speaker 1: because taking anything to space takes a lot of effort.

837
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Speaker 1: So all the water is recycled. See number one is

838
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Speaker 1: all recycled. Yesterday's coffee becomes tomorrow's coffee. A lot of

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Speaker 1: that technology has been really helpful for you know, systems

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00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: on Earth too. For the number two is it doesn't

841
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Speaker 1: look like a normal toilet. It looks like sort of

842
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: like a bin and like like a nappy bin. Each

843
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: each use goes into a plastic bag and gets you know,

844
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: pushed down and then there's burn up in the atmosphere

845
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: like shooting stars later when take come back. But yeah,

846
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Speaker 1: the first time you go, you're encouraged to leave you

847
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: close outside the qubicle because if something goes wrong, you

848
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: have to do what's called a float of shame back

849
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Speaker 1: to get your new clothes. One of all the cameras

850
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: and all the mission controls around the world. But yeah,

851
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: it's complicated, but it's important. We're hygiene cup there. There's

852
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: no bars or showers, right, so there's like a wet

853
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: white situation. You can still wash your hair, brush your teeth,

854
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: but it's all different to how you do it on Earth,

855
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: when you know people like shave or there's like a

856
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: hose that sucks the hair out, or you clip your nails.

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00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: You can't just let it fly around the cabin or

858
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: getting someone's eye or something right, So you have to

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00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: be really, really careful, and a lot of this daily

860
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: life stuff you have to adapt to pretty fast. Eating

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00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: you can eat a lot of foods in space. You

862
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: can't really take anything up there that creates crumbs because

863
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: it could get in the airfielters or you know, in

864
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: people's noses or whatever. So things like salt and pepper

865
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Speaker 1: or in liquid form. You don't usually have bread. You

866
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Speaker 1: might have a tortilla. And usually you also can't really

867
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Speaker 1: have fresh food for a long time because it's about

868
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: three months between resupply. So you might get you know,

869
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: some astronauts bringing you some fresh fruit, but you got

870
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: to eat it right away. Most food's really sterilized, but

871
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: it's all the nutritional profiles really well looked after. You

872
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: can still have your tea and coffee. It might be instant,

873
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: but you know, it is what it is.

874
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about cutting your

875
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: nails and stuff.

876
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: That is so crazy.

877
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. And one of the coolest things if in

878
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: case anyone was cauestioning your intelligence, which they absolutely are

879
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: not after the million degrees and all the wonderful things

880
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: that you've been doing, is that not only have you

881
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: done qualification to be an astronaut and become basically a

882
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: doctor and basically bear grills and done all these things,

883
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: you also had to learn Russian because half of the

884
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: ISS is Russian.

885
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, a huge part of the ISS is the Russian segment,

886
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: another huge part of the American segment, which includes the

887
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Europeans and the Japanese and the Canadian parts of the

888
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: space station, and so everyone that goes up there has

889
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: to learn English and Russian. So that was really hard

890
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: for me. We had eight weeks of lessons spread over

891
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: four months and with other subjects in between, and yeah,

892
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: that was full on. I'm not great at languages, so

893
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: I really had to take a breath and put the

894
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: extra effort in from the beginning. But I came through

895
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: the other side fine. And when I passed that, I

896
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: was like, right, you know, now I can see a

897
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel that I'm going

898
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: to get through this training because it's not guaranteed you well,

899
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was really great to have the chance

900
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: to do something like that that I'd never normally do.

901
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: A lot of people are surprised that we do that

902
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: on astronaut training. And also humanity is like space law

903
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: and history we learn about as well.

904
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, space law of course. I actually think

905
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: one of the coolest things about science. And we did

906
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: actually a women in Science miniseries on the show for

907
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: the purpose of like sharing more pathways for females and

908
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: stem And one of the things that I love is

909
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: that science is one of those areas. I feel like

910
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: sport is the same, especially the Olympics, where geographical boundaries

911
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: or conflicts or issues.

912
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: Of course it still can.

913
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: Be tense, but the fact that all of these countries

914
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: can share one space station, like in the name of science,

915
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: so many things are put aside, and that is just

916
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: so cool that you're all there for the same outcome.

917
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: It's for the furtherance of science. I just love that

918
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: and the history of everyone sort of progressing together.

919
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: It's so cool.

920
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an amazing seeing the International Space Station. It's

921
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: actually been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for a

922
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: peace on Earth. I think when countries have, you know,

923
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: these spaces level discovery activities, it's really unifying. Countries that

924
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: might not otherwise be like minded can get behind the

925
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: same positive goals and work together in a really visible way.

926
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: And I think that can set up great frameworks going

927
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: forward for dealing with other challenges on Earth. So yeah,

928
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: it's great to be part of such a big venture.

929
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 2: And so it took thirteen months, which is it seems

930
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: like a long time, but it also seems like an

931
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: incredibly short time given how much you fitted in and

932
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: most people couldn't learn Russian alone, let alone all the

933
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: other things you've done in that amount of time. And

934
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: I was reading that your husband, Campbell, took the year

935
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: off to look after your two girls while you did training.

936
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: The girls do they are they interested in space? How

937
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: was that for him as well? Did you find the

938
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: dynamic of careers and prioritizing one.

939
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: Or the other. Like, how has that all worked out

940
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: for you guys?

941
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been an amazing adventure for us all. You know,

942
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: becoming an astronaut. Being an astronaut is a whole of

943
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: family endeavor. Really, it's a shared achievement for the whole family,

944
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: no matter you're It takes a lot of time, just

945
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: like other careers, like for Antarctic expeditioners or those in

946
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: defense or other jobs where a parent is often very

947
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: busy or away for periods of time. It requires everyone

948
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: to get behind it. And I was very fortunate. I'm

949
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: grateful to my husband. He's a space engineer. We have

950
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: had parallel careers. They met at UNI, so he really

951
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: understood the amazingness of this opportunity. And we never said

952
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: do we do this? It was more how do we

953
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: need it and how do we make it work? And yeah,

954
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: he's back working again now full time as a space engineers,

955
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: So it was just a short period in time that

956
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: I had to make such a sacrifice. But yeah, amazing.

957
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: He said that I took a bit more time off

958
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: when we had kids, so now it was his turn

959
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: and we're able to hear that and normally we share

960
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: everything fifty to fifty, so now we're just refinding that balance.

961
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, for the kids, it was great. My daughter's

962
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: are six and eight, and at the Astronauts Center, they

963
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: called it the Astronauts Playground. They got to climb all

964
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: over the simulators and the mock ups, and lots of

965
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: other astronauts have kids, so they were able to be

966
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: part of that community. And I hope that should I

967
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: get the chance to go to Space, they'll be able

968
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and call their mates and

969
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: ask any questions they have that they prefer to get

970
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: from other kids that have been through the same thing.

971
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: And then I think was that at their school, some

972
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: of the other kids with the astronauts kids, so they

973
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: went special. Some of the other kids' parents have been

974
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: to space, so it really removed that ego out of

975
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: it and made it just an exciting and exciting time

976
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: and they got the chance to learn some Jairman and

977
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: things like that.

978
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh wow, oh my gosh.

979
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I followed quite a few female astronauts and

980
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: I love that a lot of you do have children,

981
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: and it does kind of show that one of the

982
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: biggest barriers I think you would expect would be making

983
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: time for child bearing in any career for mums, it's

984
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: a really hard thing to work out what's the best

985
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: time and how do you fit it in and will

986
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: it be a detraction from your eligibility for the career

987
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: that you're in. But especially when, as you said, it

988
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: was like there's specific windows you can be an astronaut

989
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: from two thousand and nine, it didn't happen again until

990
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Like there's you know you've got you've

991
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: got brief windows. But it's amazing that you are a

992
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: shining example that you can do both and it takes

993
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: a bit of juggling, but it all works out. So,

994
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you've got your silver wings now, which

995
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: is to qualify as an astronaut, but you get your

996
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: gold wings when you actually.

997
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: Go to space. So how does that work.

998
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: With mission planning?

999
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's up in the air.

1000
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: You don't actually there's no guarantee that once you become

1001
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: a qualified astronaut you'll go. But when our missions announced

1002
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: and sort of how are the team's picked and are

1003
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: you constantly buying for that position or does it just

1004
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: come out of nowhere?

1005
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: It's up to you a country if they want to

1006
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: pursue a site or that's gonna want so for the

1007
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: for my class, the other fives, because they're part of

1008
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: an existing human space flight program, they've forgot missions planned

1009
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: up until twenty thirty, which is really exciting. You know,

1010
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: two of them have already been a signed ones going

1011
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: up in a year and a half, so I'm tu

1012
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: during them one. It's very exciting. This is very new

1013
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: for Australia and it was sort of an opportunity I

1014
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: think that with a surprise. So Australia is rightly taking

1015
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: a breath and I guess figuring out what the right

1016
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: path forward is for our country. Yeah, we'll see what

1017
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: the future holds. You know, the Australian Space Agency is

1018
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: just six years old and our sectors only just really

1019
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: started broadening and deepening its activities. But we have so

1020
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: much potential to offer the world stage on the world

1021
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: stage through human spaceflight, and we'll see what comes next.

1022
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 1: You know, astronauts got up to the space station every

1023
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: three months. Soon they'll be you know, a space station

1024
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: around the Moon. Astronaut flights going back to the surface

1025
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: of the Moon. They'll happen roughly every year. And yeah,

1026
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: it's up to individual countries how they would like to

1027
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: be involved in that. Normally, the way it's done, for example,

1028
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: at Stake Canada, Canada invests in a huge red body

1029
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: calm on the space station when we learned to fly,

1030
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: and in return they get astronauts, So they invest in

1031
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: their country. It's not about purchasing the ticket, because should

1032
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: an astronaut go to space, they go there with a

1033
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: big sweet scientific experiments, a science program from their country,

1034
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: education experiments, and an education program with all the schools

1035
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: following along. And also it's a big international relations pace

1036
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: for the international relationships with all the other countries. So

1037
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah, And I mean if hopefully I get

1038
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the chance to go to space. If I don't, I

1039
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: hope to help the next Aussie that does. And we'll see,

1040
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: we'll see what that.

1041
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so interesting that you don't know,

1042
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: Like it's crazy. Would would you get a certain amount

1043
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: of notice?

1044
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: Like would there be.

1045
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: You have to be given a year's notice because you

1046
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: have to do a year of physical preparation, Like how

1047
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: does that all work?

1048
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? So to go to space usually it's a six

1049
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: month mission for professional astronauts there's about one hundred professional

1050
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: astronauts globally, about half for American Wow. Yeah, So Australia

1051
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: is the only country that's not an International Space Station

1052
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: partner that has astronauts apart from the UAE who just

1053
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: qualified some astronauts, but they're involved in another space station,

1054
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: the Chinese program. So there's only very few countries that

1055
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: have them. So we're very lucky to have this chance. So, yeah,

1056
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: astronauts usually go up for six months, and for a

1057
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: six month mission, it's about a two year lead time

1058
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: of mission specific training. If an astronaut have a two

1059
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: week mission, which is done through another contracting way, a

1060
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: six a two week mission is about six months of training. Wow.

1061
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: But it's all landing. So part of the selection is, Yeah,

1062
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: your country puts you forward and then an international panel

1063
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: helps assign to the right mission for your skill set.

1064
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: And how many astronauts at one time would go up?

1065
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: Like do you sort of there's other like like flights

1066
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: and you like get a seat on a flight.

1067
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: Is that kind of how it all works?

1068
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely so today for the International Space Station, there's

1069
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: two vehicles that are qualified to go up. So there's

1070
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: an American vehicle and a Russian vehicle, and the American

1071
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: has four seats and the Russian three and each one

1072
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: goes up. You know, there's people going up every three months,

1073
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: and Cruise got for six months. They overlapped. That's three

1074
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: So usually there's you know, seven people in the space station,

1075
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: plus in the overlap, there'll be more. If there's two

1076
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: week missions going up, there'll be more. And yeah, so

1077
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: I think right now in the space station there's nine people,

1078
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: including the two that were up there a bit longer

1079
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: than expected because they're on an experimental vehicle.

1080
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, I can't believe that. So my

1081
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: other question was your psychological training. So there's obviously so

1082
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: much physical prep, but I get the feeling that I

1083
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: would not only be so overwhelmed and excited and just

1084
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: my brain exploding everywhere, but also the maybe existential crisis

1085
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: of being off Earth and looking back at it, and

1086
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: then sort of reverse claustrophobia of once you're there you

1087
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: can't leave. Like sometimes when you go overseas you sort

1088
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: of get homesick, Well, you can just get on a flight.

1089
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: Worst case, when you go to space, it's like you

1090
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: actually can't get back until a vehicle that can get

1091
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: to space, you know, like it's there's very limited options,

1092
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 2: So do you do that kind of like in your training,

1093
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: was that psychological panic scenario kind of dealt with? And

1094
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: how do you even prepare for the feeling of being like,

1095
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: get me out of here when you have to wait

1096
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 2: six months versus just buying a flight.

1097
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the psychological element of the selection and training was

1098
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: quite significant, even more than i'd expected, you know, we know,

1099
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: I think that traditionally a lot of astronauts were fighter

1100
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: pilots and test pilots way back at the beginning of

1101
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: the space age, and that suited well for the experimental

1102
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: vehicles they were flying, and that risk profile and the

1103
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: fact it was very much flying like their normal jobs today.

1104
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're up there for weeks to months. You

1105
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: have to get along doing good science of people and

1106
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: a combined, isolated, complicated environment. So the psychological component is

1107
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: bigger because the consequences of something going wrong psychologically a

1108
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: bigger And the profile that selectors look for now has

1109
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: been built on lessons learned from challenges in the early

1110
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: eras of space stations, and you know what happens with

1111
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: different team dynamics. So in this selection The second in

1112
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: person round was the psychological round, and they were looking

1113
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: to see, you know, to make sure that we didn't

1114
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: have aggressive tendencies, that we didn't take blame when it

1115
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: wasn't us to take as well at the other end

1116
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: of the spectrum, that we are the kind of people

1117
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: that can deal with uncertainty and do well in a

1118
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: good or bad situation, whatever that may be. For example,

1119
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: if you drop a tool bag on a spacewalk, that

1120
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: you can take a breath and get on doing the

1121
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: job rather than dwelling on it and things like that.

1122
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: And they really were also looking at, you know, the

1123
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of person that has a positive mindset in a

1124
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: situation rather than going into a negative spiral. And you

1125
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: should be really flexible, the kind of person that can

1126
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: get on well with other people and go for the

1127
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: team goal over the personal goal. But yeah, it would

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00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: have been really interesting being in the psychological panel. We

1129
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: had eight of us per day. We're at the Astronaut Center.

1130
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: We're followed around by you know, flowing astronauts as part

1131
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: of saying if they'd trust us with the lives, and

1132
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: the right astronauts adust each other with your lives. So

1133
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: the profiles matter. We did stress tests in teams, in pairs,

1134
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: we had individual psych analyzes, we had panel interviews and

1135
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: all sorts of things. So that was really interesting.

1136
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, that is so interesting.

1137
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: I kn't even imagine being followed around just to be

1138
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: evaluated on my like would you save my life in

1139
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: a dramatic situation in space? So I don't know how

1140
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: you would have much time left over because I imagine

1141
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: when you know you're not training or speaking about being

1142
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: an astronaut, and then you actually are a director of

1143
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: Space Technology at the Australian Space Agency, which is, you know,

1144
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: a full time job in itself, plus a mum to

1145
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: two girls. But I have to ask because a big

1146
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: part of this show, even though I've just spoken all

1147
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: about your career, is that we do have identities outside

1148
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: of our profession and our passion. And even if you

1149
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: do love your job, it is really important to sometimes

1150
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: get a bit of distance from it and have some

1151
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: downtime even so that you don't burn out. And I

1152
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: can imagine with the demands of your training, it's a

1153
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: high risk of burning out physically or mentally or emotionally.

1154
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: So how do you relax if you do do you

1155
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: watch you know, trashy TV shows? Do you go for

1156
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: a walk, like, what is your sort of you guys

1157
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: that you're in South Australia.

1158
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm from Sydney but living in Adelaide, so yeah,

1159
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: well that's really evolving over time. Honestly. Even though the

1160
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: astronaut training is intense, a lot of what we do

1161
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: there builds on things that I would normally do. Is

1162
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: almost my hobbies like scuba diving, formally flying, you know,

1163
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: things like that. Fitness. But yeah, for me, I try

1164
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: and make sure I have time outside of work, and

1165
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: I do that by overlapping things where I can. What

1166
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean by that is I prefer to cycle for

1167
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: my commute rather than drive because you know, it might

1168
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: take double the time, but half of that time is exercise.

1169
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: And while I do that, I'll listen to, you know,

1170
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: a podcast about something I'm learning to catch up on

1171
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: that time and really be efficient. I've also got better

1172
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: at boundaries since I became a parent. I think I

1173
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: became a better engineer and also a better person at

1174
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: setting boundaries when I became a parent, because it was

1175
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: no longer just about me and my ambitions, right, you

1176
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: need to make sure that you're looking after your kids too,

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00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: So I became better at saying no to things that

1178
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: were less worth doing and having higher standards for what

1179
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: needed to be done. You know, my hobbies, I really like,

1180
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, scuba diving, I really like surf life saving.

1181
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: I really like, you know, going to the beach and

1182
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: water sports and things like that. My kids, you know,

1183
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: like going bike riding, to going with family bike rides

1184
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: and those kinds of things. But yeah, it really has

1185
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: to be an active decision to make sure I have

1186
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: time to relax outside work at the moment and over

1187
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: the past year, but that was really enforced on the

1188
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: training that we need to do that, which again surprised me,

1189
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: but I'm really appreciative of. In space, you know, it's

1190
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: about making sure you're well rested enough to work hard,

1191
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: rather than have worked hard enough to deserve rest, because

1192
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: if you burn yourself out, you're doing no one any

1193
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: favors and you might be putting your crew in danger.

1194
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: So it's really strongly pushed that you have self care.

1195
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: And in space, astronauts do hobbies like they have sometimes

1196
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: musical instruments up there. A lot of people do photography

1197
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: because we've trained on how to use the cameras up

1198
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: there to take beautiful pictures of the stars and Earth,

1199
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Speaker 1: and some astronauts have done funny things like, you know,

1200
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: team performances and stuff in their spare time. And there's

1201
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: even a movie night up there on Friday.

1202
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so cool.

1203
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

1204
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: Well, I could keep asking you questions all day. I

1205
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: have so many more questions, but I am as you said,

1206
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 2: I know you're being very discerning with your time, which

1207
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: makes me just even more grateful to have had this.

1208
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: Hour with you.

1209
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: And I've learned so much, and I so desperately hope

1210
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: that you do get to go to space and we'll

1211
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 2: all be following you and cheering you on. Is there

1212
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: anywhere that we can follow your journey? I mean obviously

1213
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: at the Australian Space Agency, but you've been doing really

1214
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: amazing talks. I think you did something with Lego recently,

1215
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: which is actually my husband who sent He sent me

1216
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: your profile from the Lego page and I was like,

1217
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's the same astronaut that I've been

1218
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: trying to get onto.

1219
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: Where can we find you?

1220
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: Ah? Thank you? So I'm on Instagram at ozzy astro

1221
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: Katherine and on ex at Ozzie astro kat. I'm also

1222
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn and just recently on Facebook.

1223
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: To amazing Well. I'll include links to all of that

1224
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: in the show notes and we will be following so keenly.

1225
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: Congratulations on everything, and thank you so.

1226
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: Much for time. I appreciate it, and thank you so

1227
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: much for being so well researched. Not many people are,

1228
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, you were just dropping in all these things

1229
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: there and I appreciated that. Thank you.

1230
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you have the coolest story. I actually

1231
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: had to cut myself off from researching because I just

1232
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: was going down a wormhole of what has this woman

1233
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: not done?

1234
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: Like, oh my gosh, And it's such a.

1235
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: Testament to an interesting person doing cool things when you

1236
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: know it doesn't fit in an hour. Look, the biggest

1237
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: drop points don't even fit in an hour. Like I

1238
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: want to talk about studying overseas. You studied in four countries,

1239
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, quick, we've got to get to the

1240
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: next bit because there's so much more stuff. No, No,

1241
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: I've been so fascinating. You have done so much already

1242
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: in such a short time. And then hopefully when we

1243
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: get to see you in space, it'll just be even

1244
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: more incredible. So congratulations. You are really such an icon

1245
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: and role model for so many people, particularly young women

1246
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: who yeah, now look at you and go, there are

1247
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: female Australian athlete astronauts.

1248
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: We can do this.

1249
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I hope. So. I remember when it

1250
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: was announced I was going to train. I was on

1251
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm North Terrace and Adelaide in front of the Space

1252
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: Agency and I was such a deer in headlights and

1253
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: I was actually quite like a tummy buck, looked like

1254
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: eating jelly beans and these oh yeah, totally deer in headlights.

1255
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: A lot of the press, and there was a bus

1256
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: stop right in front, and all these uniqu students that

1257
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: were I was next to Adelaide UNI over the road.

1258
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: We're getting off the bus and some of them started

1259
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: getting really emotional when they saw this was happening because

1260
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: they were like wow, like maybe I can do this too,

1261
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: and that was incredible.

1262
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh. Well yeah, I feel like there

1263
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: will be so many people now who you seeing the

1264
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: flown astronauts, when you got to meet them and they

1265
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: treated you as peers, there will be people who go,

1266
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I decided to continue studying aeronautical engineering

1267
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: or whatever because I saw that you became a candidate

1268
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: and then you made it like that would be cool

1269
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: when you get to hear how many people's careers.

1270
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: Do your kids have any interest in the sciences?

1271
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: A little bit? But they're so little, like it's hard

1272
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: to tell. Like right now, I'm just trying to expose

1273
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: them to a lot of different things, lots of activities

1274
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: and sports and see where the interests fall. I think

1275
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: my oldest, she told me at the day, she wants

1276
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: to be in Ninja and work for the UN. I

1277
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: don't know if the two go together and being a

1278
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: class and working for the UN, but that's her thing.

1279
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: The youngest wants to be like a helicopter pilot astronaut

1280
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: mummy because she like all my friends on the training

1281
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: and for them, you know, they see women who are

1282
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: like the other two women in my course once the

1283
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: first helicopter test pilot from France and the others an

1284
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: amazing astrophysicist from the UK, and like there's just no

1285
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: barrier for them. They don't see it as different, and

1286
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: that's that's the way I like it. Hopefully they don't

1287
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: get a realization that it is.

1288
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's why visibility is so important

1289
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: because if you've seen it even once, if you've seen it,

1290
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: it's I think it makes such a difference to you

1291
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: being able to conceive of yourself doing it, which is

1292
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: why it's so impressive that you've done what you've done,

1293
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: because you didn't see anyone do it before that.

1294
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I think like when the kids to

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Speaker 1: me say they want to be an astronaut, and like

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Speaker 1: that's great, but tell me what you want to do

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Speaker 1: with that, Like what do you want to contribute? What

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Speaker 1: problems do you want to help solve? Because I think

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Speaker 1: that purpose driven perspective helps you to write your own

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Speaker 1: story to get there. Right. Who, like kids today at school,

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Speaker 1: in fifty years, they'll still be in the workforce. Right,

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Speaker 1: fifty years ago we didn't even have the internet. How

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Speaker 1: do they know what the WORL would look like? How

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Speaker 1: do the jobs there are? Right? But they can think

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Speaker 1: about what it is want to contribute and their way there.

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Speaker 3: That is such a great point.

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Speaker 2: One more question, if you don't mind that, I just

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Speaker 2: thought of if there was one thing, particularly in your role.

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Speaker 3: As Director of Space Technology, if there.

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Speaker 2: Was one development or discovery or possibility that you would

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Speaker 2: love to see apart from you in space, because we

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Speaker 2: would all love to see that, but apart from you

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Speaker 2: physically being in space, if there was a problem that

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Speaker 2: could be solved in your lifetime, or a technology that

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Speaker 2: could be invented or something, what would you love to see?

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Speaker 1: Oh, so many things can I give you?

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Speaker 3: Of course? Oh my god, yes, one of them is.

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Speaker 1: Like I think, in general, across the board, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see an increase in scientific literacy in the population

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Speaker 1: in Australia and more globally, because without people being able

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Speaker 1: to critically evaluate, you know, ideas and arguments, we just

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Speaker 1: follow opinions. And until we can have, you know, a

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Speaker 1: measured conversation about things that are scientifically related, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to address some of the grand

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Speaker 1: challenges we're facing, things like climate change and others. And

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of that comes down to having

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Speaker 1: trust in the scientific process. And I remember Ibelly even

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Speaker 1: learned about the details of the scientific process, still very

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Speaker 1: late in my degree, and only a small percentage of

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Speaker 1: people do scientific degrees, so we really need to have

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Speaker 1: that more a broader community level conversation. And I think

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Speaker 1: during COVID a lot of trust in applied science was

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Speaker 1: lost just through all the conspiracies, and so I think

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Speaker 1: that pure science has a role to play in having,

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Speaker 1: you know, a very non controversial discussion about how being

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Speaker 1: big scientific discoveries have made. So I think if there's

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Speaker 1: big pure science discoveries, we will help move forward that

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Speaker 1: conversation about scientific literacy and building trust in science. And

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Speaker 1: what I would like to see in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: science achievement is I would love to see evidence of

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Speaker 1: life of first and it's not from Earth. I think

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Speaker 1: that's within reach and decades. You know, we're exploring Mars.

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Speaker 1: It's thought that there was at least once life on Mars.

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Speaker 1: If we can find it, maybe it's subterranean. And there's

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Speaker 1: missions going to the icy moons of Jupiter. The three

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Speaker 1: largest moons there are thought to have water oceans beneath

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Speaker 1: their rest, and even though they're really far out in

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Speaker 1: the Solar System, the gravity of Jupiter means it's tidal

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Speaker 1: forces that keep those oceans liquid. And when we go

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Speaker 1: there with rovers and all sorts of senses, maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: find life and what that would teach us about where

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Speaker 1: we come from. That will change us our view of

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Speaker 1: the world. You know, when we have people in the

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Speaker 1: next decade on the Moon persistently, we will look at

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Speaker 1: the Moon and know that that isn't another body that

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Speaker 1: is also our home. It's the Earth Moon system that

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Speaker 1: you know, our world. That's our world. So that would

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Speaker 1: be amazing. And of course, you know, my family, like

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Speaker 1: many families, are being touched by cancer. I would love

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Speaker 1: to see solutions the whole horrible diseases we have on Earth,

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Speaker 1: and space can be part of helping to address those two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even think about things like osteoporosis and

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Speaker 2: bone density as being like I wouldn't have thought about

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Speaker 2: space research as being relevant to that. But of course

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Speaker 2: it's like a like a Petri dish concentrated to study

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Speaker 2: things like that. That's so fascinating. And I can't believe

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask you about life out of Earth. How

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Speaker 2: was that not the first thing.

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Speaker 3: I asked you.

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Speaker 2: I've just got I got way too excited.

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Speaker 1: Well I got excited. We got to study astrobiology, which

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Speaker 1: looks at that on the astronaut training, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is so interesting, and you know, it's a really

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Speaker 1: legitimate field and It's relevant to life on earth too,

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Speaker 1: because it teaches us about the resilience of life and

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Speaker 1: how it can adapt. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, thank you so much, Catherine. You've been absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I'll have to have you back for like parts two

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Speaker 2: to ten slash two to one hundred.

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Speaker 1: I love to chat with you. Well.

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Speaker 2: If you do go to space, I am absolutely going

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Speaker 2: to take you off on that because I would love

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Speaker 2: to just I would just so hope that your trajectory does.

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Speaker 3: Thank you there.

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Speaker 1: Thank yous, guys.

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Speaker 2: What a woman. Honestly, I found that so fascinating I

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Speaker 2: could have spoken to her for hours more.

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Speaker 3: I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

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Speaker 2: As mentioned, I will pop all of the links in

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Speaker 2: the show notes, and please do share the episode tagging

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Astro Catherine if you loved what you heard, to

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Speaker 2: thank her so gratefully for her time and to help

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Speaker 2: spread the YA as far and white as possible. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime, I hope you're having an amazing week and

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Speaker 2: seizing your YA.