1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,784 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,864 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:26,784 --> 00:00:28,824 Speaker 1: the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:28,984 --> 00:00:32,424 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm m Vernon. If you're hearing 6 00:00:32,504 --> 00:00:34,584 Speaker 2: us in a time where you're not really used to 7 00:00:34,624 --> 00:00:37,184 Speaker 2: hearing us, it's because we are doing a hot pod 8 00:00:37,224 --> 00:00:41,064 Speaker 2: summer here at Mamma Mia. That means that all summer long, 9 00:00:41,264 --> 00:00:44,144 Speaker 2: we're going to be dropping some fresh content from the 10 00:00:44,184 --> 00:00:47,024 Speaker 2: Spill this year about the biggest topics that we wanted 11 00:00:47,024 --> 00:00:47,384 Speaker 2: to cover. 12 00:00:47,744 --> 00:00:51,024 Speaker 1: Yes, and today we're kicking off with the biggest celebrity 13 00:00:51,064 --> 00:00:54,744 Speaker 1: rebrands of twenty twenty four. So we're talking about celebrities. 14 00:00:54,784 --> 00:00:56,384 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say women, because we really only care 15 00:00:56,384 --> 00:00:58,304 Speaker 1: about the women and their brands and what those ladies 16 00:00:58,384 --> 00:00:59,024 Speaker 1: have been up to this. 17 00:00:59,224 --> 00:01:00,864 Speaker 2: For men to have a rebrand, they need a brand 18 00:01:00,904 --> 00:01:01,904 Speaker 2: to start with, which they don't have. 19 00:01:02,224 --> 00:01:02,664 Speaker 3: They don't have. 20 00:01:02,744 --> 00:01:05,184 Speaker 1: Men don't have brands. I thought for twenty twenty five, 21 00:01:06,384 --> 00:01:09,144 Speaker 1: we are talking about the biggest rebrands, the stories behind 22 00:01:09,184 --> 00:01:11,304 Speaker 1: them and whether or not they were so. 23 00:01:11,384 --> 00:01:14,744 Speaker 2: To kick it off. We have to have an honorable mention, 24 00:01:15,264 --> 00:01:17,704 Speaker 2: and I need to bring up Sabraina Carpenter. 25 00:01:18,744 --> 00:01:19,944 Speaker 3: You're mat to get it. 26 00:01:20,384 --> 00:01:24,864 Speaker 2: And because she hasn't actually had a rebrand, but I 27 00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:28,264 Speaker 2: feel like twenty twenty four was a year she confirmed 28 00:01:28,504 --> 00:01:32,944 Speaker 2: her actual brand. So Sabrina Carpenter was a Disney child star. 29 00:01:33,184 --> 00:01:35,944 Speaker 2: She was in a few Netflix TV series, but I 30 00:01:35,984 --> 00:01:39,304 Speaker 2: think it's when she really honed in onto her music 31 00:01:39,384 --> 00:01:42,424 Speaker 2: career did she develop this brand of I'm gonna call 32 00:01:42,464 --> 00:01:45,024 Speaker 2: it the over sexualized polypocket. 33 00:01:45,464 --> 00:01:47,504 Speaker 1: Oh I thought you're gonna say over sexualized baby. It 34 00:01:47,584 --> 00:01:48,464 Speaker 1: Polypocket's better. 35 00:01:48,624 --> 00:01:49,864 Speaker 3: Baby is sexy. 36 00:01:50,024 --> 00:01:52,624 Speaker 1: She is the sexy baby that Taylor's have once sung about, 37 00:01:52,704 --> 00:01:53,784 Speaker 1: right yes. 38 00:01:53,464 --> 00:01:54,984 Speaker 2: And tails like you know what, I'm gonna do a 39 00:01:54,984 --> 00:01:57,584 Speaker 2: switch over and you're gonna intro all my shows exactly. 40 00:01:57,784 --> 00:01:59,584 Speaker 1: That's where that's where she got the idea from. We 41 00:01:59,624 --> 00:02:01,944 Speaker 1: always knew that's the way she looked, the way she danced, 42 00:02:01,944 --> 00:02:04,304 Speaker 1: the way she sung. But now she's almost got that 43 00:02:04,344 --> 00:02:06,344 Speaker 1: almost like that Marilyn Monroe thing where you can have 44 00:02:06,504 --> 00:02:08,904 Speaker 1: like a caricature of her, a still a weet of her, 45 00:02:08,944 --> 00:02:11,864 Speaker 1: and you instantly know, like her look is so recognizable 46 00:02:12,144 --> 00:02:14,984 Speaker 1: and so hers that you recognize it just through imagery, 47 00:02:15,424 --> 00:02:16,264 Speaker 1: not just through her. 48 00:02:16,664 --> 00:02:19,144 Speaker 2: I feel like the only difference between her and Marilyn 49 00:02:19,184 --> 00:02:21,464 Speaker 2: Monroe was, like Marilyn Monroe was very much in her 50 00:02:21,504 --> 00:02:24,424 Speaker 2: time for the male gaze, where Sabrina Carvert I'm like, 51 00:02:24,504 --> 00:02:26,824 Speaker 2: I'm into this as well, and I'm a straight woman. 52 00:02:26,944 --> 00:02:28,584 Speaker 1: Well, this is what we've been saying all year is 53 00:02:28,624 --> 00:02:32,184 Speaker 1: that everything about her look shouldn't really work for audiences 54 00:02:32,184 --> 00:02:34,064 Speaker 1: as particularly women, but it does. 55 00:02:33,904 --> 00:02:36,264 Speaker 3: Because it feels so old school, that. 56 00:02:36,264 --> 00:02:39,584 Speaker 1: Kind of blonde glamor glamor popstar, you. 57 00:02:39,544 --> 00:02:40,784 Speaker 2: Know, Sarah Force It. 58 00:02:41,424 --> 00:02:44,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the overdone makeup and the overdone hair, and 59 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 1: the little babied old dresses and the being all like 60 00:02:46,224 --> 00:02:49,144 Speaker 1: kind of sexualized and cute sea. It's just very old school. 61 00:02:49,464 --> 00:02:52,224 Speaker 1: And also the idea that, like, in this year twenty 62 00:02:52,264 --> 00:02:55,464 Speaker 1: twenty four, the person we're idolizing is a young, blonde, thin, 63 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:58,104 Speaker 1: sexy baby pop star. It feels like a few years 64 00:02:58,104 --> 00:03:00,024 Speaker 1: ago everyone would have been like, no way, Like we 65 00:03:00,064 --> 00:03:01,944 Speaker 1: want more diversity, we want more of this than that. 66 00:03:02,024 --> 00:03:04,304 Speaker 1: But now people are like, we like her songs, we 67 00:03:04,424 --> 00:03:06,904 Speaker 1: like the silliness she's out there, not trying to like 68 00:03:06,944 --> 00:03:08,704 Speaker 1: stand for anything other than the fact that she wants 69 00:03:08,744 --> 00:03:11,024 Speaker 1: to sing a cute song and run on the stage 70 00:03:11,104 --> 00:03:12,984 Speaker 1: in her little outfit with a glitter towel, and I 71 00:03:13,024 --> 00:03:15,024 Speaker 1: just think in this point in time, we just want that. 72 00:03:15,384 --> 00:03:18,344 Speaker 2: I also feel like what she did really cleverly here 73 00:03:18,544 --> 00:03:21,184 Speaker 2: is that she started off with this brand like she 74 00:03:21,264 --> 00:03:24,144 Speaker 2: went to one hundred straight away, Whereas it never really 75 00:03:24,184 --> 00:03:27,784 Speaker 2: works when a celebrity, especially those Disney celebrities, start off 76 00:03:27,864 --> 00:03:30,944 Speaker 2: with their Disney brand after Disney and then try to transition. 77 00:03:31,064 --> 00:03:33,664 Speaker 2: I think we saw it with Miley Cyrus in particular, 78 00:03:34,144 --> 00:03:36,944 Speaker 2: that people don't like the change, but if you start 79 00:03:37,024 --> 00:03:38,664 Speaker 2: off with the change. 80 00:03:38,464 --> 00:03:41,344 Speaker 1: The finals like, she's not trying to be subversive. My god, 81 00:03:41,424 --> 00:03:42,544 Speaker 1: is this called a secret genius? 82 00:03:42,544 --> 00:03:44,264 Speaker 3: I think she is. She's not trying to be subversive. 83 00:03:44,304 --> 00:03:46,224 Speaker 1: It's like she genuinees like I just want a little 84 00:03:46,264 --> 00:03:48,664 Speaker 1: kiss tattoo on my thigh, a press one. Obviously she's 85 00:03:48,664 --> 00:03:51,824 Speaker 1: not crazy, and I just want to kiss that little 86 00:03:51,824 --> 00:03:55,704 Speaker 1: Grimlin boy Barry Kyogan and just be in a bathtub 87 00:03:55,744 --> 00:03:57,384 Speaker 1: on stage. Is what we all want at the end 88 00:03:57,424 --> 00:03:58,184 Speaker 1: of the day, to be. 89 00:03:58,144 --> 00:04:02,424 Speaker 2: In a bar tub on stage. So the first person 90 00:04:02,824 --> 00:04:06,944 Speaker 2: I want to talk about is our friend Jojo Siwa. 91 00:04:07,264 --> 00:04:08,504 Speaker 3: Yes, love that girl. 92 00:04:08,904 --> 00:04:12,104 Speaker 2: I don't actually so much about Jojo Cea, so I 93 00:04:12,144 --> 00:04:13,504 Speaker 2: had to do some extensive research. 94 00:04:13,584 --> 00:04:14,744 Speaker 3: You didn't watch Dance Moms. 95 00:04:14,784 --> 00:04:16,944 Speaker 2: I didn't watch dance really was. 96 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:19,984 Speaker 1: I mean I watched it years later than everyone else. Okay, 97 00:04:19,984 --> 00:04:21,664 Speaker 1: that show was like cracks, like once you start. 98 00:04:21,784 --> 00:04:24,504 Speaker 2: I feel like Dance Mums was like the actual show 99 00:04:24,704 --> 00:04:27,344 Speaker 2: was like for women who were slightly older than me. Okay, 100 00:04:27,344 --> 00:04:29,984 Speaker 2: and then Jojo Siwa's brand was for women slightly younger 101 00:04:29,984 --> 00:04:30,224 Speaker 2: than me. 102 00:04:30,344 --> 00:04:32,624 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like I wasn't a Jojo siwar Fancas, wasn't 103 00:04:32,624 --> 00:04:35,464 Speaker 1: a child, but like she became well no, I just 104 00:04:35,504 --> 00:04:38,504 Speaker 1: watched it after it came out, like years later, the reruns, 105 00:04:38,544 --> 00:04:40,904 Speaker 1: because I don't think it was like airing prominently in Australia. 106 00:04:40,944 --> 00:04:43,384 Speaker 1: But I was very aware, and I think Jojo came later, 107 00:04:43,464 --> 00:04:45,344 Speaker 1: and I wasn't sort of across how much she took 108 00:04:45,384 --> 00:04:49,304 Speaker 1: off in America, especially off the back of Dance Moms, 109 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:51,424 Speaker 1: because I mean it was her brand. Like if you 110 00:04:51,464 --> 00:04:54,224 Speaker 1: watch the show, Emily, she wasn't the best dancer by far. 111 00:04:54,624 --> 00:04:56,304 Speaker 3: She's gravitally little voice. 112 00:04:56,344 --> 00:04:58,504 Speaker 1: She was always getting yelled at by Abby and being 113 00:04:58,504 --> 00:05:00,944 Speaker 1: told she was awful and being told by the other 114 00:05:01,024 --> 00:05:05,064 Speaker 1: moms that she was too much relatable, and then she 115 00:05:05,104 --> 00:05:08,064 Speaker 1: became just this like breakout star through mostly YouTube and 116 00:05:08,104 --> 00:05:09,984 Speaker 1: her brand to the point where like she was like 117 00:05:10,024 --> 00:05:12,544 Speaker 1: a guest star on the Kardashians and like Kim Kardashians 118 00:05:12,584 --> 00:05:14,304 Speaker 1: instr And King was nervous. You could tell she was 119 00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:15,784 Speaker 1: nervous at meeting her because. 120 00:05:15,744 --> 00:05:18,584 Speaker 2: So yes, so she seemed like a very local celeb. 121 00:05:18,704 --> 00:05:20,584 Speaker 1: I feel like Northwest wouldn't be into her now, but 122 00:05:20,664 --> 00:05:21,544 Speaker 1: she was back then. 123 00:05:21,664 --> 00:05:25,144 Speaker 2: I only really found out about her this year tragically. 124 00:05:25,904 --> 00:05:28,304 Speaker 2: So as you said, she started off on dance Mums 125 00:05:28,304 --> 00:05:30,864 Speaker 2: and in like that reality TV show. She ended up 126 00:05:30,904 --> 00:05:33,464 Speaker 2: becoming a media personality. This all happened between the ages 127 00:05:33,504 --> 00:05:36,024 Speaker 2: of like ten and eleven, so really young. Like she 128 00:05:36,104 --> 00:05:39,184 Speaker 2: literally started off as like a child reality style, which 129 00:05:39,184 --> 00:05:40,904 Speaker 2: I feel like it is the worst type of star 130 00:05:41,024 --> 00:05:45,144 Speaker 2: to be where. She also released a song called Boomerang, 131 00:05:45,224 --> 00:05:47,864 Speaker 2: which is about online bullying. I don't really care about 132 00:05:47,944 --> 00:05:53,184 Speaker 2: what they say. I'm gone back. Should I have a 133 00:05:53,224 --> 00:05:53,664 Speaker 2: watch for that? 134 00:05:53,744 --> 00:05:55,624 Speaker 3: Funny yeah? I feel like, well, she has lived that, 135 00:05:55,784 --> 00:05:56,784 Speaker 3: she has been bullied a lot. 136 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 2: She still is that video that music video for that 137 00:05:59,304 --> 00:06:02,264 Speaker 2: song has over one billion view. I would believe that, 138 00:06:02,304 --> 00:06:03,944 Speaker 2: so I think it's been played in school, so let's 139 00:06:03,984 --> 00:06:06,824 Speaker 2: be honest. Those are the school views. Her style kind 140 00:06:06,824 --> 00:06:08,704 Speaker 2: of became her brand then, Like as you said, she 141 00:06:08,744 --> 00:06:11,264 Speaker 2: did YouTube her style, I was like, kind of like 142 00:06:11,344 --> 00:06:16,024 Speaker 2: if a cartoon rainbow threw up, that's what like her style. 143 00:06:16,144 --> 00:06:18,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like an edgy rainbow bride. 144 00:06:18,344 --> 00:06:21,704 Speaker 2: Very colorful, very glittery, very neon. 145 00:06:22,024 --> 00:06:25,744 Speaker 1: She also had very cute, very crembows, but like child cute, 146 00:06:25,784 --> 00:06:27,184 Speaker 1: but like Sabrina Carpet, don't know. 147 00:06:27,504 --> 00:06:30,784 Speaker 2: Like her signature look was like a really like slick back, 148 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:34,864 Speaker 2: tight high side pony with like a bow to the 149 00:06:34,904 --> 00:06:38,664 Speaker 2: point where she didn't then started like selling bows likesiness 150 00:06:38,984 --> 00:06:41,424 Speaker 2: like slas and stuff. I think the first time I 151 00:06:41,584 --> 00:06:44,184 Speaker 2: really acknowledged how big she was was when she appeared 152 00:06:44,184 --> 00:06:46,624 Speaker 2: on Keeping Up with a Kardashian with like a little 153 00:06:46,664 --> 00:06:49,544 Speaker 2: meet and greet with North. I remember so specifically not 154 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:52,384 Speaker 2: telling her my mum thinks he yelled too much. 155 00:06:53,304 --> 00:06:55,424 Speaker 3: Because on her YouTube video she starts. 156 00:06:55,064 --> 00:06:57,624 Speaker 2: By yelling and she's a screamer and Kim's just like 157 00:06:57,624 --> 00:07:00,744 Speaker 2: in the back I'm going. She also had like a 158 00:07:00,744 --> 00:07:04,304 Speaker 2: few movies and shows on Nickelodeon. She then became really 159 00:07:04,304 --> 00:07:07,624 Speaker 2: big internationally and started like touring, and then we come 160 00:07:07,704 --> 00:07:11,224 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four, yes, where she come try to 161 00:07:11,224 --> 00:07:14,344 Speaker 2: debut something different. So twenty twenty four, she's now twenty one, 162 00:07:14,424 --> 00:07:15,904 Speaker 2: so she's an adult. 163 00:07:15,944 --> 00:07:19,024 Speaker 1: But she's also that child star twenty one where she's like, 164 00:07:19,064 --> 00:07:22,904 Speaker 1: I think, socially younger, but just life stage older. So 165 00:07:23,144 --> 00:07:25,504 Speaker 1: she feels very That's why she's already talking about having kids. 166 00:07:25,544 --> 00:07:28,144 Speaker 1: She's gonna have three different surrogates pregnant different times. You 167 00:07:28,184 --> 00:07:30,784 Speaker 1: cross this, and then he's gonna be Eddie Freddy and 168 00:07:30,824 --> 00:07:32,024 Speaker 1: one more that rhymes with that. 169 00:07:32,144 --> 00:07:35,704 Speaker 2: Teddy any Freddy. What if she has all girls, Well. 170 00:07:35,624 --> 00:07:36,264 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 171 00:07:36,344 --> 00:07:38,624 Speaker 1: I think the use it themes, but she's gonna have 172 00:07:38,664 --> 00:07:42,384 Speaker 1: three surrogans all get pregnant at the same time because 173 00:07:42,384 --> 00:07:44,304 Speaker 1: she's gay. So she's like, I have to plan it 174 00:07:44,344 --> 00:07:46,704 Speaker 1: out anyway. They're gonna be triplets, but like with three 175 00:07:46,744 --> 00:07:48,784 Speaker 1: different moms and have them all born around the same time, 176 00:07:48,824 --> 00:07:50,184 Speaker 1: so they're triplets and siblings. 177 00:07:50,424 --> 00:07:52,504 Speaker 2: I hope that works out for her. Yeah, I have 178 00:07:52,544 --> 00:07:57,024 Speaker 2: good hopes. So at the iHeart Music Awards this year, 179 00:07:57,304 --> 00:08:01,384 Speaker 2: she came onto the red carpet displaying quite a different 180 00:08:01,424 --> 00:08:04,024 Speaker 2: look to what we're usually used to. So she wore 181 00:08:04,504 --> 00:08:08,024 Speaker 2: kind of a mesh black body suit with a faux hawk. 182 00:08:08,664 --> 00:08:11,104 Speaker 2: She had like makeup that was an inspired by the 183 00:08:11,144 --> 00:08:15,784 Speaker 2: band Kiss, like thin black lipstick, Like really, didn't. 184 00:08:15,544 --> 00:08:17,224 Speaker 3: She say she didn't wasn't a cross kiss. 185 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:20,144 Speaker 2: She wasn't a cross Kiss, but she definitely was a 186 00:08:20,144 --> 00:08:24,104 Speaker 2: cross Kiss because then I don't know how I found 187 00:08:24,144 --> 00:08:27,904 Speaker 2: this ut turn. Someone asked Gene Simmons about the look 188 00:08:27,944 --> 00:08:29,664 Speaker 2: and he said, she looks cool. 189 00:08:30,184 --> 00:08:31,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice, and like even. 190 00:08:31,744 --> 00:08:34,144 Speaker 2: Kiss was across this, even Kiss knew she was dressing 191 00:08:34,224 --> 00:08:35,944 Speaker 2: up as Kiss. I think she was trying to play 192 00:08:35,944 --> 00:08:37,904 Speaker 2: it cool if I'm being honest, or someone was like, 193 00:08:37,944 --> 00:08:39,864 Speaker 2: you should do this. She didn't know who Kiss was. 194 00:08:39,944 --> 00:08:41,504 Speaker 2: They showed her a photo and she was like. 195 00:08:41,384 --> 00:08:43,384 Speaker 1: I don't believe she didn't know who Kiss was it. 196 00:08:43,384 --> 00:08:45,784 Speaker 1: She's like, it's a big thing to kind of put 197 00:08:45,824 --> 00:08:48,184 Speaker 1: out that look without double checking that it had already 198 00:08:48,184 --> 00:08:49,744 Speaker 1: been solidified by a different band. 199 00:08:49,744 --> 00:08:51,104 Speaker 3: But that's okay. She's a busy woman. 200 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:53,904 Speaker 2: She then had like a series of viral interviews. She 201 00:08:53,944 --> 00:08:57,944 Speaker 2: compared her rebrand to Miley Cyrus when Miley Cyrus did 202 00:08:57,984 --> 00:09:01,504 Speaker 2: the Banger's album, which is a brilliant album, but as 203 00:09:01,544 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 2: we remember that probably wasn't one of the best rebrands 204 00:09:04,464 --> 00:09:06,904 Speaker 2: that went down in history. So it was kind of 205 00:09:06,904 --> 00:09:10,224 Speaker 2: a rebrand where she knew what the outcome would be, 206 00:09:10,464 --> 00:09:12,864 Speaker 2: and I think it just took it a whole step further. 207 00:09:13,384 --> 00:09:17,344 Speaker 2: She also famously said that she wanted to invent a 208 00:09:17,384 --> 00:09:20,184 Speaker 2: new genre of music called gay pop m H, to 209 00:09:20,304 --> 00:09:25,024 Speaker 2: which she got a lot of feedback for queer artists 210 00:09:25,064 --> 00:09:27,744 Speaker 2: ten and Sarah Like famously said that she did not 211 00:09:27,864 --> 00:09:30,144 Speaker 2: invent gay pop. She then had to go back on 212 00:09:30,184 --> 00:09:32,344 Speaker 2: her word and said, I'm not the inventor of gay 213 00:09:32,344 --> 00:09:34,784 Speaker 2: pop for sure. Not I might not be the president, 214 00:09:34,864 --> 00:09:36,864 Speaker 2: but I might be the CEO or CMO. 215 00:09:37,464 --> 00:09:39,064 Speaker 1: I get what she's trying to say. It would be 216 00:09:39,144 --> 00:09:41,584 Speaker 1: hard to kind of like, you know, she's come out 217 00:09:41,584 --> 00:09:44,624 Speaker 1: at the gate like hot and fast with this rebrand. 218 00:09:45,024 --> 00:09:47,624 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like as thought through as like her 219 00:09:47,664 --> 00:09:51,544 Speaker 1: overall branding when she first became famous was really planned 220 00:09:51,584 --> 00:09:53,584 Speaker 1: out like it was her parents, her mother who was 221 00:09:53,584 --> 00:09:54,944 Speaker 1: on the show, but all to her father, like they've 222 00:09:55,024 --> 00:09:58,024 Speaker 1: been her like business managers and everything since she was 223 00:09:58,064 --> 00:09:59,984 Speaker 1: a little kid, so and her mum used to like 224 00:10:00,024 --> 00:10:01,904 Speaker 1: make or her costumes, make the bows, all that sort 225 00:10:01,904 --> 00:10:03,664 Speaker 1: of stuff. So it's hard to know like did her 226 00:10:03,744 --> 00:10:05,464 Speaker 1: mum make the costume for this or is this the 227 00:10:05,464 --> 00:10:07,864 Speaker 1: first thing she's done by herself. And the rollout wasn't 228 00:10:07,904 --> 00:10:08,384 Speaker 1: quite there. 229 00:10:08,744 --> 00:10:11,984 Speaker 2: It felt like that she from the start was a 230 00:10:12,024 --> 00:10:14,824 Speaker 2: celebrity for children, even when you're like that, I feel 231 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:17,784 Speaker 2: like that age between sixteen and eighteen where you're like, no, 232 00:10:17,944 --> 00:10:19,784 Speaker 2: I want to be an adult, but your brand is 233 00:10:19,824 --> 00:10:21,944 Speaker 2: still for children, Like that's how you're making money, that's 234 00:10:21,944 --> 00:10:24,464 Speaker 2: how everyone knows you. And it felt like twenty twenty 235 00:10:24,464 --> 00:10:26,544 Speaker 2: four just came at a breaking point where she's like, no, 236 00:10:26,864 --> 00:10:28,504 Speaker 2: I need to do like adults. 237 00:10:28,624 --> 00:10:29,384 Speaker 3: Well, she and her. 238 00:10:29,304 --> 00:10:31,464 Speaker 1: Mother again, her mother's like sort of the person behind 239 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:33,704 Speaker 1: the scenes pulling all the strings. Have talked for years, 240 00:10:33,744 --> 00:10:36,064 Speaker 1: but the fact they're very aware that like her core 241 00:10:36,144 --> 00:10:39,424 Speaker 1: demo is very young girls, but Jojo isn't always going 242 00:10:39,464 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 1: to be the one as she gets older, isn't going 243 00:10:41,264 --> 00:10:43,504 Speaker 1: to appear. That's why they put together that girl group. 244 00:10:43,544 --> 00:10:45,584 Speaker 1: You cross this, you also to get a girl group 245 00:10:45,824 --> 00:10:48,184 Speaker 1: to be like lots of like a young little mix 246 00:10:48,184 --> 00:10:49,304 Speaker 1: of JoJo's. 247 00:10:48,824 --> 00:10:50,344 Speaker 2: And they got some allegations for that. 248 00:10:50,384 --> 00:10:52,344 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of allegations there behind the scenes. 249 00:10:52,384 --> 00:10:54,904 Speaker 1: It was quite a terrible work environment, so not great. 250 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,704 Speaker 2: So they were like enough with the girl group, we 251 00:10:56,744 --> 00:10:58,984 Speaker 2: can't deal with this Jojo. You just go do your thing. 252 00:10:59,224 --> 00:11:02,584 Speaker 2: And her thing was not great. So she released a 253 00:11:02,664 --> 00:11:06,104 Speaker 2: song earlier this year after this whole interview blow up 254 00:11:06,264 --> 00:11:15,864 Speaker 2: in April, called Karma. It's weird music, like very like 255 00:11:15,984 --> 00:11:18,624 Speaker 2: over sexualized, but in like not just to bring a 256 00:11:18,664 --> 00:11:21,784 Speaker 2: carpenter way in a way that's kind of like trying 257 00:11:21,864 --> 00:11:25,704 Speaker 2: too hard, like that's what everyone's saying. And she is 258 00:11:25,744 --> 00:11:28,824 Speaker 2: twenty one, she's still quite young, Like she's I would 259 00:11:28,864 --> 00:11:31,784 Speaker 2: barely say an adult, like technically yes, but I remember 260 00:11:31,784 --> 00:11:33,424 Speaker 2: when I was twenty one and I would not classify 261 00:11:33,464 --> 00:11:35,704 Speaker 2: myself as some of Yeah, so it's very much like 262 00:11:35,744 --> 00:11:38,904 Speaker 2: her establishing this rebrand while still trying to figure out 263 00:11:38,904 --> 00:11:41,344 Speaker 2: what her brand actually is, which is where I felt 264 00:11:41,344 --> 00:11:42,664 Speaker 2: like it went a bit wrong for her. 265 00:11:43,304 --> 00:11:45,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, look on that song, I will 266 00:11:45,184 --> 00:11:46,624 Speaker 1: say it does't get stuck in your head was a 267 00:11:46,624 --> 00:11:47,024 Speaker 1: bit of a. 268 00:11:46,944 --> 00:11:49,104 Speaker 2: Stuck in my head right now, And the music video 269 00:11:49,144 --> 00:11:49,664 Speaker 2: of the moves. 270 00:11:49,784 --> 00:11:51,704 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well she was doing that dance everywhere. Like 271 00:11:51,744 --> 00:11:54,224 Speaker 1: the thing is, she was getting those viral moments. She 272 00:11:54,344 --> 00:11:57,424 Speaker 1: was like all over everyone's TikTok, and so many radio 273 00:11:57,424 --> 00:12:00,144 Speaker 1: shows and TV shows were wanting to interview her. And 274 00:12:00,184 --> 00:12:01,784 Speaker 1: that was the issue, is that they were wanting to 275 00:12:01,824 --> 00:12:04,704 Speaker 1: interview her to capitalize on this huge spectacle of people 276 00:12:04,744 --> 00:12:07,504 Speaker 1: almost like being interested in what she's doing but laughing 277 00:12:07,504 --> 00:12:09,384 Speaker 1: at her. And so then she kept trying to play 278 00:12:09,384 --> 00:12:11,304 Speaker 1: it up, and I think that's why it's snowboard a 279 00:12:11,344 --> 00:12:13,864 Speaker 1: little bit iderstand Also, like if you've been this cutesy 280 00:12:13,944 --> 00:12:15,824 Speaker 1: kid your whole life and now you're twenty one wanting 281 00:12:15,864 --> 00:12:18,624 Speaker 1: to experiment, especially in her own life. She's talking about 282 00:12:18,944 --> 00:12:21,784 Speaker 1: wanting to get married and have kids and really settle down. 283 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:24,784 Speaker 1: And also she's been in this kind of like locked 284 00:12:24,944 --> 00:12:27,224 Speaker 1: place of fame for so long, Like even before she 285 00:12:27,264 --> 00:12:29,104 Speaker 1: goes on a date with someone, she has her security 286 00:12:29,184 --> 00:12:31,664 Speaker 1: veet them first, and then they have to sign NDA's 287 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:33,384 Speaker 1: before even going on a first date with her, and 288 00:12:33,424 --> 00:12:35,224 Speaker 1: then the first date has to be at her home 289 00:12:35,584 --> 00:12:39,184 Speaker 1: behind all her locked doors, so that paparazzi and things 290 00:12:39,224 --> 00:12:41,224 Speaker 1: and so like, it doesn't also ruin her brand if 291 00:12:41,264 --> 00:12:43,904 Speaker 1: she's out and about dating even though she's a young woman. 292 00:12:44,424 --> 00:12:46,344 Speaker 1: So it's one of those things of like all that's 293 00:12:46,344 --> 00:12:48,624 Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes and then she's trying to be edgy, 294 00:12:48,664 --> 00:12:50,864 Speaker 1: but it's falling a little bit flat because it's like, 295 00:12:51,424 --> 00:12:52,744 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel like it's coming from 296 00:12:52,744 --> 00:12:53,544 Speaker 1: a creative place. 297 00:12:53,664 --> 00:12:55,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very unfortunate, and I think we've seen it 298 00:12:55,784 --> 00:12:59,424 Speaker 2: so many which celebrity women, like we've mentioned Miley Cyrus, 299 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:02,464 Speaker 2: and I do have hope that you'll come out on 300 00:13:02,504 --> 00:13:04,584 Speaker 2: the other side, like I have hope that she will 301 00:13:04,624 --> 00:13:06,864 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I need to like readjust this, I 302 00:13:06,904 --> 00:13:08,464 Speaker 2: need to actually find my true call. 303 00:13:08,584 --> 00:13:08,744 Speaker 3: Yeah. 304 00:13:08,784 --> 00:13:11,144 Speaker 1: I think I feel like a few stumbles, especially at 305 00:13:11,144 --> 00:13:13,544 Speaker 1: that age when you're trying to redefine your brand, is 306 00:13:13,584 --> 00:13:15,944 Speaker 1: to be expected. It's just that one came in a 307 00:13:15,984 --> 00:13:18,144 Speaker 1: moment where it became such a kind of viral meme 308 00:13:18,224 --> 00:13:20,704 Speaker 1: that is especially a meme culture now ye, like it's 309 00:13:21,264 --> 00:13:24,304 Speaker 1: a level. Yeah, Okay, who's next on your twenty twenty 310 00:13:24,344 --> 00:13:25,304 Speaker 1: four rebrand list? 311 00:13:25,384 --> 00:13:27,704 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have much to say about this person, 312 00:13:27,744 --> 00:13:30,544 Speaker 2: because we talk, we talk about them. I think like 313 00:13:30,584 --> 00:13:32,984 Speaker 2: at least once a month Ariana Grande. 314 00:13:33,344 --> 00:13:36,784 Speaker 1: Yes, so well, she's just rebranded to Glinda, right. 315 00:13:36,944 --> 00:13:42,824 Speaker 2: She's rebranded to a white woman. So Ariana Grande, We've 316 00:13:42,864 --> 00:13:46,144 Speaker 2: mentioned her so many times. I feel like it's snacked 317 00:13:46,184 --> 00:13:48,544 Speaker 2: to the point where it sounds like I absolutely despise 318 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:50,984 Speaker 2: her as a person, which I do not. I'm just 319 00:13:51,024 --> 00:13:54,064 Speaker 2: stating facts. I'm just stating what I see. And it's 320 00:13:54,144 --> 00:13:58,184 Speaker 2: because previously she was kind of a culprit of blackfishing. 321 00:13:58,464 --> 00:14:01,184 Speaker 2: When I say blackfishing, I mean a person who is 322 00:14:01,224 --> 00:14:05,304 Speaker 2: not ethnic or black making themselves look like a different ethnicity, 323 00:14:05,624 --> 00:14:08,464 Speaker 2: which is what she did. And there's like images everywhere 324 00:14:08,504 --> 00:14:10,104 Speaker 2: that you can see. You can compare to what she 325 00:14:10,104 --> 00:14:12,744 Speaker 2: looks now in twenty twenty four versus what she looked 326 00:14:12,784 --> 00:14:15,464 Speaker 2: like five to ten years ago. She used to like 327 00:14:15,544 --> 00:14:19,664 Speaker 2: excessively ten she had like a different voice. And what 328 00:14:19,744 --> 00:14:21,744 Speaker 2: she does is she kind of changes her look to 329 00:14:21,864 --> 00:14:25,664 Speaker 2: suit what's quote unquote trending at the time. And now 330 00:14:25,704 --> 00:14:29,704 Speaker 2: she is doing Wicked, which I am very excited to see. 331 00:14:29,784 --> 00:14:31,024 Speaker 2: Can't wait to see her in that role. 332 00:14:31,144 --> 00:14:33,104 Speaker 3: She's going out after Christian. She's just be careful. 333 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:35,904 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So she did do Wicked, which was like 334 00:14:36,024 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 2: brilliant and she got such a great reception for that 335 00:14:40,344 --> 00:14:42,464 Speaker 2: as well as SNL. Do you remember when she did SNL. 336 00:14:42,664 --> 00:14:43,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a highlight. 337 00:14:43,824 --> 00:14:46,344 Speaker 2: Brilliant reception for that, to the point where like her 338 00:14:46,464 --> 00:14:49,984 Speaker 2: skits was like number one videos across SNL's tiktoks, which 339 00:14:50,024 --> 00:14:53,424 Speaker 2: is huge. You overtook Pete Davidson the next fiance. But 340 00:14:53,504 --> 00:14:55,464 Speaker 2: she did do a big rebrand, I want to say, 341 00:14:55,824 --> 00:15:00,544 Speaker 2: because she's playing Glinda the Witch alongside Cynthia Rivo, where 342 00:15:00,584 --> 00:15:03,264 Speaker 2: both of them kind of just put everything they had 343 00:15:03,344 --> 00:15:06,744 Speaker 2: into the promo for this movie. Part one of this movie, 344 00:15:06,904 --> 00:15:10,424 Speaker 2: she wore ping, Cynthia wore green everywhere they went. She 345 00:15:10,464 --> 00:15:13,784 Speaker 2: match that whole style with like not tanning anymore. She 346 00:15:13,864 --> 00:15:16,944 Speaker 2: like bleached her hair blonde. She bleached her eyebrows blonde. 347 00:15:17,224 --> 00:15:18,584 Speaker 2: She changed her voice again. 348 00:15:18,744 --> 00:15:20,024 Speaker 3: She did we love a commitment. 349 00:15:20,104 --> 00:15:22,664 Speaker 2: I don't know what her real voice is. Is that victorious? 350 00:15:22,744 --> 00:15:23,824 Speaker 2: Is that her real voice? 351 00:15:23,864 --> 00:15:23,944 Speaker 1: No? 352 00:15:24,064 --> 00:15:25,784 Speaker 2: Because I was Cat that was a character as well. 353 00:15:26,024 --> 00:15:28,384 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what her real voice is. But I 354 00:15:28,504 --> 00:15:31,104 Speaker 1: just think if we can all get behind Margot Robbie 355 00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:33,784 Speaker 1: pretending to be Barbe for months, then we can get 356 00:15:33,824 --> 00:15:37,344 Speaker 1: behind Ariana Grande pretending to be Glinda for her press run. 357 00:15:37,464 --> 00:15:39,344 Speaker 2: I just don't want her to go back to the blackfishing. 358 00:15:39,504 --> 00:15:41,304 Speaker 1: Yes, well I don't think she will now. I think 359 00:15:41,304 --> 00:15:43,464 Speaker 1: I think she's kind of moved away from that. She's 360 00:15:43,544 --> 00:15:46,504 Speaker 1: really rebranded to Like she was always a beloved and 361 00:15:46,504 --> 00:15:48,704 Speaker 1: like critically acclaim pop star. But I feel like with 362 00:15:48,824 --> 00:15:50,624 Speaker 1: this movie and this was what she wanted in her 363 00:15:50,664 --> 00:15:52,904 Speaker 1: and her team were working so hard towards. Is that 364 00:15:52,984 --> 00:15:55,504 Speaker 1: she has rebranded to like a prestige actress, like an 365 00:15:55,544 --> 00:15:58,544 Speaker 1: A list actress. Yeah, because and I like it. Yeah, 366 00:15:58,584 --> 00:16:00,744 Speaker 1: it's a big swing, but it's worked out for her. 367 00:16:00,744 --> 00:16:04,184 Speaker 2: I'm on the Ariana Grande train like I'm an I'd 368 00:16:04,184 --> 00:16:05,984 Speaker 2: hear to day. I'm I in support of this. I 369 00:16:06,024 --> 00:16:08,144 Speaker 2: love her look. I think like she made the best 370 00:16:08,224 --> 00:16:15,064 Speaker 2: choice ever. 371 00:16:15,744 --> 00:16:18,544 Speaker 1: So moving on to the twenty twenty four rebrand of 372 00:16:18,544 --> 00:16:21,984 Speaker 1: a young woman named Catherine Hudson, otherwise professionally known as 373 00:16:22,064 --> 00:16:24,264 Speaker 1: Katy Perry and Katy. 374 00:16:24,104 --> 00:16:24,784 Speaker 3: Perry with a Y. 375 00:16:25,224 --> 00:16:26,704 Speaker 1: I mean that would have been the real rebrand if 376 00:16:26,744 --> 00:16:29,824 Speaker 1: she'd gone back to her Christian guitar drummer roots and 377 00:16:29,864 --> 00:16:30,864 Speaker 1: gone back to her old name. 378 00:16:30,944 --> 00:16:33,224 Speaker 2: Well she can't because now Kate Hudson's also doing music. 379 00:16:33,424 --> 00:16:36,104 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and she's also got that kind of boho 380 00:16:36,664 --> 00:16:38,744 Speaker 1: old and I like, you're not seeing me as well, 381 00:16:39,944 --> 00:16:43,744 Speaker 1: and she will. So Katy Perry, Well, first of all, 382 00:16:43,784 --> 00:16:46,184 Speaker 1: I want to talk like her public persona this year 383 00:16:46,224 --> 00:16:48,504 Speaker 1: that have been branded a rebrand, but I think it 384 00:16:48,584 --> 00:16:51,664 Speaker 1: actually just classic Katy Perry, and some of it was 385 00:16:51,864 --> 00:16:54,904 Speaker 1: I think pulled into that idea of a pylon. So 386 00:16:55,304 --> 00:16:57,104 Speaker 1: as she was kind of in the lead up to 387 00:16:57,144 --> 00:17:00,824 Speaker 1: her new album one four three coming out, she started 388 00:17:00,864 --> 00:17:03,184 Speaker 1: doing like a lot of press, a lot of red carpets, 389 00:17:03,224 --> 00:17:05,704 Speaker 1: a lot of events, and in some of these moments 390 00:17:05,744 --> 00:17:09,104 Speaker 1: her rebrand really shone through. But in some other moments, 391 00:17:09,144 --> 00:17:11,944 Speaker 1: I think it was just classic Katy Perry. But because 392 00:17:11,984 --> 00:17:13,944 Speaker 1: there was a bit of a pylon. When her song 393 00:17:14,144 --> 00:17:17,544 Speaker 1: Woman's World came out, people were almost saying that she 394 00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:19,144 Speaker 1: was being in authentic. So I think one of the 395 00:17:19,144 --> 00:17:21,104 Speaker 1: moments that happened was when she did the Call her 396 00:17:21,144 --> 00:17:23,464 Speaker 1: Daddy interview. Remember that shining moment in time. 397 00:17:23,344 --> 00:17:25,464 Speaker 2: Yes, because I was obsessed with her top and I 398 00:17:25,464 --> 00:17:28,064 Speaker 2: had the nipple piercings that came out of her shirt. 399 00:17:28,504 --> 00:17:28,864 Speaker 3: Yeah. 400 00:17:28,944 --> 00:17:30,504 Speaker 1: Well, but did you think that that was like a 401 00:17:30,544 --> 00:17:31,904 Speaker 1: new thing for her? To have or you were just 402 00:17:31,944 --> 00:17:33,384 Speaker 1: like that's a classic Katie Perry thing. 403 00:17:33,424 --> 00:17:35,544 Speaker 2: Oh, the lord was quite new, I thought. Sher look 404 00:17:35,704 --> 00:17:40,624 Speaker 2: in general was very demure, Yes, like she I think 405 00:17:40,824 --> 00:17:43,824 Speaker 2: my earliest memory of Katie Perry was like just after 406 00:17:43,864 --> 00:17:46,544 Speaker 2: the eye Kistic Girl song where she was like really 407 00:17:46,584 --> 00:17:50,184 Speaker 2: into different colored wigs. Yes, like was it California Girls? Yeah, 408 00:17:50,224 --> 00:17:52,224 Speaker 2: like teenage dreams, where like she was just like into 409 00:17:52,344 --> 00:17:57,424 Speaker 2: like her like neon colors, like cutees, artsy, like very pop, 410 00:17:57,784 --> 00:17:58,464 Speaker 2: very pop girl. 411 00:17:58,504 --> 00:18:00,264 Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, so you've hit the nail on the head 412 00:18:00,264 --> 00:18:02,704 Speaker 1: with that, because what we've seen is she is a rebrid. 413 00:18:02,264 --> 00:18:02,904 Speaker 3: I want to do it. 414 00:18:02,904 --> 00:18:04,544 Speaker 2: It's like to be right. All I want to do 415 00:18:04,624 --> 00:18:05,104 Speaker 2: is to be right. 416 00:18:05,144 --> 00:18:07,024 Speaker 1: Well, you are correct in this sense that in twenty 417 00:18:07,024 --> 00:18:10,144 Speaker 1: twenty four we saw Katy Perry's look have a rebrand, 418 00:18:10,184 --> 00:18:11,944 Speaker 1: but not her work, and I think the two things 419 00:18:11,944 --> 00:18:13,064 Speaker 1: have been really conflated. 420 00:18:13,304 --> 00:18:13,784 Speaker 3: So you're right. 421 00:18:13,824 --> 00:18:15,504 Speaker 1: She did come onto the scene in two thousand and eight, 422 00:18:15,544 --> 00:18:17,944 Speaker 1: what a great year for pop music with Eye Kissed 423 00:18:17,944 --> 00:18:20,904 Speaker 1: a Girl, and from that moment on, like her branding, 424 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:23,104 Speaker 1: like you know, Sabrina Carpenter could only dream of this. 425 00:18:23,184 --> 00:18:25,984 Speaker 1: Her branding was so solidified at that moment in time 426 00:18:26,024 --> 00:18:29,264 Speaker 1: going into like teenage dreaming California girls. It was a 427 00:18:29,424 --> 00:18:32,464 Speaker 1: very retro almost pin up look, but very almost cute, 428 00:18:32,504 --> 00:18:33,704 Speaker 1: see cartoon like. 429 00:18:33,824 --> 00:18:36,544 Speaker 2: Very sexy as well. Like she was definitely like appealing 430 00:18:36,584 --> 00:18:40,064 Speaker 2: to all generations. Yeah, I remember I was in primary 431 00:18:40,064 --> 00:18:42,544 Speaker 2: school going into high school during that time, and I 432 00:18:42,584 --> 00:18:45,144 Speaker 2: was like, she's for me. Yes, She's probably. 433 00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:47,264 Speaker 1: Like ugh no, no, she would have loved that because 434 00:18:47,304 --> 00:18:48,984 Speaker 1: she had that whole Like I said, it was very 435 00:18:48,984 --> 00:18:52,424 Speaker 1: cartoony almost, so like there was very sexualized element of it, 436 00:18:52,744 --> 00:18:55,784 Speaker 1: which is that's always the golden ticket with pop stars forever, 437 00:18:55,864 --> 00:18:58,064 Speaker 1: like for the last couple of decades, right, is that 438 00:18:58,584 --> 00:19:00,784 Speaker 1: they have this look that appeals to children because they're 439 00:19:00,784 --> 00:19:03,344 Speaker 1: all shiny and bubble gummy and fun. But at the 440 00:19:03,344 --> 00:19:06,504 Speaker 1: same time, it's like very over sexualized because of like 441 00:19:06,744 --> 00:19:08,664 Speaker 1: the short shorts and the middrifts and the boobs and 442 00:19:08,704 --> 00:19:10,264 Speaker 1: all that sort of things. So they can also appeal 443 00:19:10,384 --> 00:19:12,624 Speaker 1: toward an older audience. But it's weird because it's appealing 444 00:19:12,664 --> 00:19:14,544 Speaker 1: to children and adults at the same time but for 445 00:19:14,704 --> 00:19:17,464 Speaker 1: very different reasons, but also in that like over the 446 00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:19,704 Speaker 1: top kind of way. Let us not forget of the 447 00:19:19,744 --> 00:19:22,144 Speaker 1: time she wore a hamburger to the Metgala, all the 448 00:19:22,144 --> 00:19:25,184 Speaker 1: time she wore a chandelier to the met Gala, or 449 00:19:25,504 --> 00:19:28,144 Speaker 1: the whipped cream guns that used to come out of 450 00:19:28,144 --> 00:19:29,584 Speaker 1: her boobs, remember that, the. 451 00:19:29,584 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 2: Times and the blue wig. 452 00:19:30,824 --> 00:19:32,904 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all about the whigs, the pink wigs, the 453 00:19:32,904 --> 00:19:35,704 Speaker 1: blue wigs. That was very much her look. And so 454 00:19:36,184 --> 00:19:39,064 Speaker 1: this year is the first time that she's really toned 455 00:19:39,144 --> 00:19:41,744 Speaker 1: that down. And that's why I think her fashion has 456 00:19:41,784 --> 00:19:44,624 Speaker 1: been her rebrand more so than her music, because going 457 00:19:44,704 --> 00:19:46,624 Speaker 1: going back to call her Daddy, a lot of people 458 00:19:46,664 --> 00:19:49,624 Speaker 1: who were really taking part in that pylon were saying, like, oh, 459 00:19:49,744 --> 00:19:52,584 Speaker 1: she's trying to rebrand to be a sex talk and 460 00:19:52,744 --> 00:19:54,104 Speaker 1: you know whatever, and she's trying to get in with 461 00:19:54,144 --> 00:19:54,504 Speaker 1: a kiss. 462 00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:55,984 Speaker 3: She looks trying to be just. 463 00:19:55,944 --> 00:19:58,864 Speaker 2: A normal influencer. Like if you didn't know Katie Perry, 464 00:19:59,264 --> 00:20:01,984 Speaker 2: you'd watch that interview thinking she was like an influencer. 465 00:20:02,344 --> 00:20:03,144 Speaker 3: Yeah, to an extent. 466 00:20:03,144 --> 00:20:05,464 Speaker 1: Well that's what I mean, like physically, like if that 467 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:07,984 Speaker 1: interview had happened like a couple of years ago, she 468 00:20:08,024 --> 00:20:09,784 Speaker 1: would have probably been in the Blue Wig. 469 00:20:09,864 --> 00:20:12,224 Speaker 2: In the form she's just like throwing a white tea. 470 00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:15,184 Speaker 1: Very pared down, but what she was saying, like the 471 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:17,984 Speaker 1: way she spoke, that's how she's always spoken. I feel 472 00:20:18,024 --> 00:20:20,544 Speaker 1: like she's always talked like that. And to be honest, 473 00:20:20,584 --> 00:20:22,824 Speaker 1: she was just really being a thirty nine year old 474 00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:24,424 Speaker 1: woman with a child at home who was saying that 475 00:20:24,464 --> 00:20:25,984 Speaker 1: she would have sex with her husband if he cleaned 476 00:20:25,984 --> 00:20:27,944 Speaker 1: the kitchen. Like maybe she was trying to be a 477 00:20:27,984 --> 00:20:29,984 Speaker 1: bit relatable, but she was also doing it in a 478 00:20:30,024 --> 00:20:32,344 Speaker 1: way like that's I feel like that's the language she's 479 00:20:32,384 --> 00:20:35,064 Speaker 1: always used. It was her look that makes it so different. 480 00:20:35,784 --> 00:20:38,304 Speaker 1: And this year, when you look at all the fashion 481 00:20:38,304 --> 00:20:40,744 Speaker 1: shows she's been to and the event she went to, 482 00:20:40,984 --> 00:20:43,584 Speaker 1: like that's when she really got rid of that bubblegum 483 00:20:43,624 --> 00:20:45,264 Speaker 1: pin up girl. And I think there are a few 484 00:20:45,264 --> 00:20:47,624 Speaker 1: different factors, Like one was the launch of her album 485 00:20:47,984 --> 00:20:50,064 Speaker 1: after not having new music aut for a long time. 486 00:20:50,264 --> 00:20:52,744 Speaker 1: But one is like her Las Vegas residency ended, and 487 00:20:52,784 --> 00:20:54,864 Speaker 1: that was I'm still so bitter. I never forgot to 488 00:20:54,904 --> 00:20:57,024 Speaker 1: see that. I don't like toilets, but there was a 489 00:20:57,104 --> 00:21:00,024 Speaker 1: huge flashing like toilet on stage, like bedazzle, but she 490 00:21:00,144 --> 00:21:00,704 Speaker 1: danced around. 491 00:21:01,144 --> 00:21:03,224 Speaker 2: We could have got her tickets to the AFL. 492 00:21:03,584 --> 00:21:04,944 Speaker 3: I know, I didn't know that was a thing. 493 00:21:04,944 --> 00:21:07,264 Speaker 1: I don't know what the AFL is. Anyway, she's coming 494 00:21:07,264 --> 00:21:09,144 Speaker 1: to Australia. I'll see her then. And so it was 495 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:11,664 Speaker 1: the end of that, and like that residency was really 496 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,344 Speaker 1: like an amage to her career. So that real bubblegum 497 00:21:14,384 --> 00:21:17,384 Speaker 1: pop kind of moment, that cutesy, vintage kind of look, 498 00:21:17,424 --> 00:21:20,584 Speaker 1: that over the top craziness on stage. And then she 499 00:21:20,704 --> 00:21:23,904 Speaker 1: was also finishing up on American Idol, and on American Idol, 500 00:21:23,904 --> 00:21:26,144 Speaker 1: you know, that's for very much for Middle America, very 501 00:21:26,224 --> 00:21:28,904 Speaker 1: kind of like straight laced pop girl. So the way 502 00:21:28,944 --> 00:21:30,704 Speaker 1: she dressed for that was very much in line with 503 00:21:30,744 --> 00:21:33,464 Speaker 1: her old persona. And what's really interesting is she works 504 00:21:33,464 --> 00:21:36,184 Speaker 1: with an Australian stylist called Tatiana Waterford, who I think 505 00:21:36,184 --> 00:21:40,344 Speaker 1: has been really instrumental in overhauling her style. And now 506 00:21:40,384 --> 00:21:43,264 Speaker 1: when you see her at events, she's very kind of 507 00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:46,304 Speaker 1: like pared back. It's a lot of like black and white, 508 00:21:46,344 --> 00:21:49,264 Speaker 1: it's a lot of high very cool girl, very cool girl. 509 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:51,264 Speaker 1: And we're not getting into brands, guys, because we're not 510 00:21:51,264 --> 00:21:52,944 Speaker 1: a fashion podcast. I know you guys, haven't we say that. 511 00:21:52,944 --> 00:21:55,544 Speaker 2: But it's but like her brand now is like street style. 512 00:21:55,664 --> 00:21:58,024 Speaker 1: Yes, or even like more coture kind of high end, 513 00:21:58,104 --> 00:21:59,744 Speaker 1: so you'll see pictures of her and like, you know, 514 00:21:59,864 --> 00:22:03,224 Speaker 1: a fitted black pants, no top, really slipped by care, 515 00:22:03,344 --> 00:22:06,504 Speaker 1: black sunglasses, a big, big black coach, that sort of thing. 516 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:08,784 Speaker 1: And then I thought also for the VMA's because that 517 00:22:08,824 --> 00:22:10,224 Speaker 1: was a huge thing because she was getting the vangu 518 00:22:10,504 --> 00:22:12,384 Speaker 1: Ward and she was performing, and she was walking the 519 00:22:12,424 --> 00:22:14,384 Speaker 1: cup with the Orlando Bloom who looked just thrilled to 520 00:22:14,424 --> 00:22:16,944 Speaker 1: be there, Like no, it genuinely looked thrilled to be 521 00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:18,464 Speaker 1: so much. 522 00:22:18,464 --> 00:22:20,704 Speaker 3: He's very like they're quite cute together. He's a very 523 00:22:20,704 --> 00:22:21,624 Speaker 3: supportive guy. 524 00:22:22,184 --> 00:22:25,744 Speaker 2: And she expressions are so funny, like you can tell 525 00:22:25,784 --> 00:22:27,624 Speaker 2: he's trying to hide them, but it just car and 526 00:22:27,704 --> 00:22:29,544 Speaker 2: he's like us, you see everything on his face. 527 00:22:29,664 --> 00:22:31,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just an elf who's having a great time. 528 00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:33,504 Speaker 1: And so for that there was a lot of build 529 00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:35,264 Speaker 1: up to what she was going to wear. And she 530 00:22:35,424 --> 00:22:37,944 Speaker 1: was wearing that two piece. It's from a brand called 531 00:22:37,944 --> 00:22:40,744 Speaker 1: Who Decides War. It's from their twenty twenty five collection. 532 00:22:40,824 --> 00:22:42,864 Speaker 1: Like she's quite ahead of the head of the pacin 533 00:22:43,424 --> 00:22:46,784 Speaker 1: the media exactly, she's wearing it from the future. And 534 00:22:46,864 --> 00:22:50,784 Speaker 1: it was that two piece like ripped cream look and 535 00:22:50,824 --> 00:22:53,184 Speaker 1: like her body had all like like oil all over it, 536 00:22:53,224 --> 00:22:56,424 Speaker 1: so it was very sexy, slipped back hair. And also 537 00:22:56,664 --> 00:22:58,384 Speaker 1: this is very her old school. I thought, like the 538 00:22:58,464 --> 00:23:01,264 Speaker 1: QR code on her lower back, yeah, which was too 539 00:23:01,704 --> 00:23:04,704 Speaker 1: album album Yeah, But I think that was interesting because 540 00:23:04,864 --> 00:23:06,624 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, she would have worn 541 00:23:07,064 --> 00:23:08,184 Speaker 1: a crazy costume. 542 00:23:08,224 --> 00:23:09,824 Speaker 3: She would have come dressed as a castle. 543 00:23:09,624 --> 00:23:11,864 Speaker 2: Something, people holding her up on their shoulders. 544 00:23:11,944 --> 00:23:14,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, very like when Lady Gaga was an egg that 545 00:23:14,424 --> 00:23:16,624 Speaker 1: was kind of like that kind of vibe. But this 546 00:23:16,744 --> 00:23:20,064 Speaker 1: time she was like very pared back, very sexy, kind 547 00:23:20,104 --> 00:23:22,384 Speaker 1: of almost a very adult look, which I think is 548 00:23:22,384 --> 00:23:24,744 Speaker 1: interesting because when you listen to her music as Woman's 549 00:23:24,744 --> 00:23:27,224 Speaker 1: World and the songs are on four one three, they 550 00:23:27,264 --> 00:23:29,744 Speaker 1: do feel kind of classic Katy Perry. Like I don't 551 00:23:29,744 --> 00:23:32,624 Speaker 1: feel like her music has had a relaunch. Yeah, it's 552 00:23:32,624 --> 00:23:33,584 Speaker 1: interesting she. 553 00:23:33,544 --> 00:23:36,344 Speaker 2: Has because I remember when Swish Swish came out, where 554 00:23:36,344 --> 00:23:38,664 Speaker 2: she like did the shaved head look and stuff. And 555 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:42,784 Speaker 2: I think because she changed herself so much that was 556 00:23:42,824 --> 00:23:46,944 Speaker 2: so like different to her like original self, that ended 557 00:23:47,024 --> 00:23:49,944 Speaker 2: up becoming like a memafied version of Katy Perry. And 558 00:23:49,984 --> 00:23:52,904 Speaker 2: it feels like the music that she's putting out right now. 559 00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:56,464 Speaker 2: Also in a way could easily be memafied, and people 560 00:23:56,464 --> 00:23:59,784 Speaker 2: did try. But because her look is so like it's 561 00:23:59,824 --> 00:24:02,304 Speaker 2: just so normal and like her interviews, like you were saying, 562 00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:05,744 Speaker 2: it's just so casual, and she's so much more relatable 563 00:24:05,784 --> 00:24:08,864 Speaker 2: now that everyone's just kind of forgotten about, like how 564 00:24:09,304 --> 00:24:10,424 Speaker 2: wild that original. 565 00:24:10,544 --> 00:24:13,624 Speaker 1: Women mostly exactly. Well, I'm gonna say I do I 566 00:24:13,624 --> 00:24:15,584 Speaker 1: love the new Katy Perry. I would love her to 567 00:24:15,664 --> 00:24:17,824 Speaker 1: still like I'm hoping when she comes to Australia, I 568 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,184 Speaker 1: still want to see the blue week. 569 00:24:19,264 --> 00:24:22,104 Speaker 2: Blue so badly and the fake flute playing. 570 00:24:22,504 --> 00:24:24,584 Speaker 1: And the cream bra like I want to see that 571 00:24:24,784 --> 00:24:26,784 Speaker 1: like shooting cream out into the audience. It's my only 572 00:24:26,824 --> 00:24:28,864 Speaker 1: wish to like be in the audience and watch that happen. 573 00:24:28,944 --> 00:24:31,784 Speaker 1: But I am loving her new look. Okay, So I 574 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:33,664 Speaker 1: to really think about this, but I think I'm gonna 575 00:24:33,664 --> 00:24:35,744 Speaker 1: have to go with. The next biggest Reebrain of twenty 576 00:24:35,784 --> 00:24:37,304 Speaker 1: twenty four is Lindsay Lohan. 577 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,384 Speaker 2: Ah Irish Queen. 578 00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:40,824 Speaker 1: This has been in the works for a while, so 579 00:24:41,224 --> 00:24:43,704 Speaker 1: I think her real comeback started back in twenty twenty two. 580 00:24:43,784 --> 00:24:46,104 Speaker 1: Remember when Falling for Christmas came out, It became the 581 00:24:46,144 --> 00:24:49,104 Speaker 1: most viewed romantic comedy of that year or something like 582 00:24:49,104 --> 00:24:49,904 Speaker 1: that on Netflix. 583 00:24:49,984 --> 00:24:52,664 Speaker 2: I did, but I like, why wasn't the hype as 584 00:24:52,704 --> 00:24:54,224 Speaker 2: big as I expected to Maybe. 585 00:24:54,064 --> 00:24:55,584 Speaker 3: Because it was? Was it? 586 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:55,944 Speaker 1: Yes? 587 00:24:56,064 --> 00:24:58,664 Speaker 2: I felt like the Lindsay Lohan fan should have like 588 00:24:58,904 --> 00:24:59,784 Speaker 2: come on harder. 589 00:25:00,184 --> 00:25:02,584 Speaker 1: They did, but I don't know where you were, Like 590 00:25:02,664 --> 00:25:05,104 Speaker 1: that's say they were like breaking streaming records for this. 591 00:25:05,424 --> 00:25:07,864 Speaker 1: And then since then, we've slowly seen her come back 592 00:25:07,904 --> 00:25:10,264 Speaker 1: into public favor in a way that, when you think 593 00:25:10,664 --> 00:25:13,424 Speaker 1: to the depth of her worst years, felt like it 594 00:25:13,504 --> 00:25:16,544 Speaker 1: was completely unattainable for her too. And I know she's 595 00:25:16,544 --> 00:25:18,864 Speaker 1: not really back at the stage where she's an AA 596 00:25:18,904 --> 00:25:21,384 Speaker 1: list actress, And you know, she's talked about wanting to 597 00:25:21,864 --> 00:25:24,384 Speaker 1: front big studio movies like she used to. She's talked 598 00:25:24,384 --> 00:25:27,024 Speaker 1: about wanting an oscar, all those sorts of things, And 599 00:25:27,184 --> 00:25:28,944 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exactly where her career is 600 00:25:28,984 --> 00:25:30,664 Speaker 1: going to go, but it seems a lot more likely 601 00:25:30,704 --> 00:25:31,824 Speaker 1: than it did a few years ago. 602 00:25:32,424 --> 00:25:32,984 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 603 00:25:33,024 --> 00:25:34,544 Speaker 1: I should say I should preface this by saying that 604 00:25:34,584 --> 00:25:36,904 Speaker 1: I freaking love Linday Lewin. I've only met her once, 605 00:25:37,064 --> 00:25:39,464 Speaker 1: very briefly, and I lost my shit. You met her, 606 00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:41,584 Speaker 1: I met her really briefly when she was in Australian and 607 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:43,624 Speaker 1: she did the last Singer. Oh yeah, I met her 608 00:25:43,624 --> 00:25:45,824 Speaker 1: an event really quickly, and yeah, I got really star 609 00:25:45,864 --> 00:25:48,744 Speaker 1: struck by her because especially for millennial women, she was 610 00:25:48,864 --> 00:25:52,104 Speaker 1: the the ultimate, you know girl from our childhood through 611 00:25:52,104 --> 00:25:54,184 Speaker 1: all of her Disney movies like Parents Chat, but also 612 00:25:54,224 --> 00:25:56,024 Speaker 1: like Herbieing all those kind of movies. 613 00:25:55,784 --> 00:25:59,984 Speaker 2: And Tejarma Queen. I had that on DVD and oh my. 614 00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:04,664 Speaker 1: Mean Girls is like the ultimate, like her biggest, her 615 00:26:04,704 --> 00:26:07,664 Speaker 1: biggest role infamously, and I think also with Mean Girls 616 00:26:07,664 --> 00:26:11,064 Speaker 1: coming out this year and the cameo in it was 617 00:26:11,104 --> 00:26:13,864 Speaker 1: one of the best moments, like you could see in 618 00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:16,104 Speaker 1: the like the screening we were in, which was you know, 619 00:26:16,184 --> 00:26:17,744 Speaker 1: the Sydney premierees was huge. 620 00:26:17,824 --> 00:26:21,024 Speaker 2: We realized it was her way quicker than everyone else. 621 00:26:20,944 --> 00:26:22,264 Speaker 3: In the theater and we gassed. 622 00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:24,944 Speaker 1: We got happy gass and everyone was like, oh, Like 623 00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:27,264 Speaker 1: it was like it was like seeing an old friend almost, 624 00:26:27,264 --> 00:26:29,264 Speaker 1: And I think that's what someone who has been there 625 00:26:29,624 --> 00:26:32,944 Speaker 1: through like your childhood does fore you, especially when you 626 00:26:32,984 --> 00:26:35,184 Speaker 1: saw her like that was such a pivotal role in 627 00:26:35,224 --> 00:26:37,704 Speaker 1: the movie that the athletes quiz at the end, So 628 00:26:37,744 --> 00:26:40,104 Speaker 1: to see her be the quiz Master was great, and 629 00:26:40,264 --> 00:26:43,344 Speaker 1: also seeing her walk the red carpet alongside Tina Fey 630 00:26:43,504 --> 00:26:46,344 Speaker 1: at The Mean Girl's premiere just always felt like such 631 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:49,144 Speaker 1: a huge moment. Obviously, she did release a statement afterwards 632 00:26:49,144 --> 00:26:51,464 Speaker 1: saying she was very upset about a joke made about 633 00:26:51,504 --> 00:26:53,104 Speaker 1: her in the movie. But I like to hope that 634 00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:55,584 Speaker 1: they've all like patched things up. Pretend we did behind 635 00:26:55,624 --> 00:26:57,264 Speaker 1: the scenes on that one. But if you look back 636 00:26:57,264 --> 00:26:58,624 Speaker 1: to her and her kind of like you know, she 637 00:26:58,744 --> 00:27:01,344 Speaker 1: was this huge Disney star, she was so bankable, people 638 00:27:01,384 --> 00:27:04,144 Speaker 1: loved her. She had a really big music career as well. 639 00:27:04,544 --> 00:27:06,824 Speaker 1: And then around like two thousand and five, two thou 640 00:27:06,984 --> 00:27:08,784 Speaker 1: and six, two thousand and seven, like they were I think, 641 00:27:08,864 --> 00:27:11,664 Speaker 1: like the really like it's nearly a decade really, but 642 00:27:11,704 --> 00:27:14,024 Speaker 1: they I think were the cruxy ears of when things 643 00:27:14,024 --> 00:27:16,744 Speaker 1: started going really bad for her. I mean, she was 644 00:27:16,824 --> 00:27:20,064 Speaker 1: arrested multiple times, she did go to prison. Are you 645 00:27:20,184 --> 00:27:21,264 Speaker 1: sort of across all of this. 646 00:27:21,624 --> 00:27:24,264 Speaker 2: I haven't burned in my memory those photos of her 647 00:27:24,664 --> 00:27:28,104 Speaker 2: in the courtroom like crying, yeah, and like literally looking 648 00:27:28,144 --> 00:27:32,144 Speaker 2: at her lawyer with like the most It is so 649 00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:33,904 Speaker 2: upsetting watching. 650 00:27:33,784 --> 00:27:36,664 Speaker 1: Looking at during that whole period of her life she 651 00:27:36,704 --> 00:27:39,624 Speaker 1: appeared in court more than twenty times, got a lot 652 00:27:39,624 --> 00:27:42,704 Speaker 1: of kind of different charges. She did go to jail 653 00:27:42,744 --> 00:27:45,664 Speaker 1: and spent like a good six weeks behind bars, and 654 00:27:45,704 --> 00:27:47,624 Speaker 1: then she was supposed to stay longer, but then there's 655 00:27:47,704 --> 00:27:50,104 Speaker 1: jail overcrowding and that classic kind of Hollywood thing that 656 00:27:50,144 --> 00:27:53,064 Speaker 1: happens to a lot of stars. But overall she then 657 00:27:53,264 --> 00:27:55,864 Speaker 1: spent like I think thirty five days on house arrest. 658 00:27:56,304 --> 00:27:59,344 Speaker 1: It's also kind of hard to like, if you weren't 659 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:02,384 Speaker 1: in the new cycle then like articulate how crazy that 660 00:28:02,584 --> 00:28:05,104 Speaker 1: was to see this golden girl of Hollywood, like star 661 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:07,064 Speaker 1: of the parent trap, star of mean girls, like the 662 00:28:07,104 --> 00:28:10,824 Speaker 1: good girl of Hollywood, had this downfall and there's like, 663 00:28:10,824 --> 00:28:13,344 Speaker 1: you know, paparazzi videos of her screaming at people in 664 00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:16,224 Speaker 1: the street. I'm burning down like a decade into like 665 00:28:16,264 --> 00:28:19,464 Speaker 1: a few minutes of explanation here, changing her accent, being 666 00:28:19,504 --> 00:28:22,824 Speaker 1: really erratic, getting into fights, like she came scream out 667 00:28:22,824 --> 00:28:25,024 Speaker 1: of a club, ran to paparazzi and was showing them 668 00:28:25,064 --> 00:28:27,464 Speaker 1: bruises on her arm, saying that Paris Hilton had beat 669 00:28:27,464 --> 00:28:31,344 Speaker 1: her up, like absolute craziness, and started getting fired from 670 00:28:31,344 --> 00:28:34,384 Speaker 1: a lot of jobs. She became completely uninsurable in Hollywood, 671 00:28:34,424 --> 00:28:36,024 Speaker 1: which is the kind of worst thing you can be 672 00:28:36,024 --> 00:28:37,824 Speaker 1: because you cannot make a movie if they can't get 673 00:28:37,864 --> 00:28:40,624 Speaker 1: insurance for you. And then you know she had that 674 00:28:40,664 --> 00:28:43,064 Speaker 1: Reality showed Linda Lewen's Beach Club where she was trying 675 00:28:43,104 --> 00:28:45,304 Speaker 1: to sort of claw her way back, and the whole 676 00:28:45,304 --> 00:28:46,944 Speaker 1: time she was talking about wanting to go back and 677 00:28:46,944 --> 00:28:48,824 Speaker 1: be an actress, and everyone was like, it's just never 678 00:28:48,904 --> 00:28:51,304 Speaker 1: going to happen. But all these years later and like, 679 00:28:51,304 --> 00:28:53,544 Speaker 1: obviously we don't know what's happening in her personal life, 680 00:28:53,544 --> 00:28:56,344 Speaker 1: but she has talked about growing to rehab. She's married 681 00:28:56,344 --> 00:28:59,664 Speaker 1: with a baby now, she relocated overseas like for many 682 00:28:59,744 --> 00:29:01,784 Speaker 1: years and was out of the spotlight. But I think 683 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:04,784 Speaker 1: what's been the kind of thing that has really cemented 684 00:29:04,824 --> 00:29:08,704 Speaker 1: her comeback is not so much the Netflix movie that 685 00:29:08,744 --> 00:29:14,544 Speaker 1: worked really well or the Mean Girl's Cameo Irish wish. 686 00:29:13,624 --> 00:29:15,904 Speaker 2: Well that too, Oh that was fine, that was brilliant. 687 00:29:15,904 --> 00:29:17,744 Speaker 1: People love that one as well. Yeah, and she's I 688 00:29:17,744 --> 00:29:19,864 Speaker 1: think her Netflix seal is still going. She's like infront 689 00:29:19,984 --> 00:29:22,664 Speaker 1: another movie or even I think the fact that she 690 00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:25,224 Speaker 1: just looks amazing. Now. Guess I've been so much talk 691 00:29:25,224 --> 00:29:27,344 Speaker 1: about her face, and we don't know what works she's 692 00:29:27,344 --> 00:29:29,904 Speaker 1: had done, if any at all, but this idea that 693 00:29:29,984 --> 00:29:32,304 Speaker 1: now she's kind of breezing back into all of these 694 00:29:32,344 --> 00:29:35,984 Speaker 1: public engagements and fashion shows looking like this refreshed version 695 00:29:35,984 --> 00:29:38,544 Speaker 1: of her twenty year old self and she's thirty eight now. 696 00:29:38,664 --> 00:29:42,024 Speaker 2: Even like repeating some outfits for someone like her iconic roles. 697 00:29:42,344 --> 00:29:44,984 Speaker 2: It's really nice to see because I feel like we 698 00:29:45,064 --> 00:29:48,024 Speaker 2: don't get that from our childhood favorite celebrity. 699 00:29:48,184 --> 00:29:51,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, But I feel the thing that really cemented 700 00:29:51,544 --> 00:29:53,824 Speaker 1: this year is that the fact that she's been filming 701 00:29:53,864 --> 00:29:57,224 Speaker 1: Freaky of Friday, the sequel to Freaky Friday, with Jamie 702 00:29:57,264 --> 00:29:59,624 Speaker 1: Lee Curtis, and that was always one of her biggest roles, 703 00:29:59,664 --> 00:30:02,224 Speaker 1: and so the idea that movie is coming back, and 704 00:30:02,304 --> 00:30:04,864 Speaker 1: like she's been posting from behind the scenes of the movie, 705 00:30:04,944 --> 00:30:07,424 Speaker 1: she's already been doing press with Jamie Lee Curtis, and 706 00:30:07,464 --> 00:30:10,584 Speaker 1: they have this whole thing between them where Jamie's really 707 00:30:10,624 --> 00:30:12,824 Speaker 1: talking her up, and so it feels like she's completely 708 00:30:12,864 --> 00:30:15,864 Speaker 1: back in the industry and with her fans, and it's 709 00:30:15,904 --> 00:30:18,104 Speaker 1: obviously super lovely to see. But what I think is 710 00:30:18,104 --> 00:30:20,824 Speaker 1: interesting about this whole rebrand that she's been rebranded this 711 00:30:20,904 --> 00:30:23,944 Speaker 1: like very quiet, stay at home mum, happily married woman, 712 00:30:23,984 --> 00:30:27,424 Speaker 1: which I'm assuming she is behind the scenes, hard working actress. 713 00:30:27,864 --> 00:30:30,024 Speaker 1: And it feels like people have like have a sigh 714 00:30:30,064 --> 00:30:32,144 Speaker 1: of relief that they got the old Lindsay Lowan back 715 00:30:32,224 --> 00:30:34,784 Speaker 1: to an extent. And I can't help but thinking is 716 00:30:34,784 --> 00:30:37,024 Speaker 1: that this is what people wanted for Britney Spears in 717 00:30:37,064 --> 00:30:39,504 Speaker 1: a way, like everyone thought that because you know, they 718 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,824 Speaker 1: were kind of went through a similar trajectory where they 719 00:30:41,864 --> 00:30:44,264 Speaker 1: were very famous at the same time. They both appeared 720 00:30:44,264 --> 00:30:47,144 Speaker 1: to have these public downfalls that were like fueled by 721 00:30:47,184 --> 00:30:49,464 Speaker 1: their teams around them and also like the paparazzi at 722 00:30:49,504 --> 00:30:51,904 Speaker 1: the time, and then they both went through these big 723 00:30:51,944 --> 00:30:55,144 Speaker 1: you know, court hearings, things going away behind the scenes, 724 00:30:55,184 --> 00:30:59,024 Speaker 1: becoming mothers. And I think everyone always thought that Britney 725 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,904 Speaker 1: Spears would come out of this the way that we've 726 00:31:00,904 --> 00:31:02,504 Speaker 1: seen Lindsay low And it's like we have an idea 727 00:31:02,544 --> 00:31:04,904 Speaker 1: of what someone's like when they're fixed in the public eye, 728 00:31:04,944 --> 00:31:07,864 Speaker 1: even though that's obviously a really unfair thing to put 729 00:31:07,864 --> 00:31:08,784 Speaker 1: on both of these women. 730 00:31:08,944 --> 00:31:12,064 Speaker 2: I feel like Lindsay Lohan like will be the blueprint 731 00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:15,784 Speaker 2: of that like comeback Thank you so much for listening 732 00:31:15,824 --> 00:31:18,064 Speaker 2: to the Spill today. We will be back to normal 733 00:31:18,144 --> 00:31:21,744 Speaker 2: programming from the thirteenth of January, but we do have 734 00:31:21,864 --> 00:31:25,264 Speaker 2: many more new episodes for you before then. In the meantime, 735 00:31:25,264 --> 00:31:27,824 Speaker 2: you can find videos from the podcast on our Instagram 736 00:31:27,864 --> 00:31:30,184 Speaker 2: at The Spill Podcast, or you can check out our 737 00:31:30,224 --> 00:31:32,264 Speaker 2: stories at mamamea dot com dot au. 738 00:31:32,544 --> 00:31:38,344 Speaker 1: Bye bye byelen It