WEBVTT - Joe Finally Listened (To Jill?) 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mama Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:24.127 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:24.247 --> 0:00:25.367 Mom and Me are out Loud. 0:00:25.527 --> 0:00:28.127 It's what women are actually talking about on Monday, the 0:00:28.167 --> 0:00:29.207 twenty second of July. 0:00:29.647 --> 0:00:32.407 I'm Holly Wayne Wright, I'm Meya Friedman. 0:00:32.327 --> 0:00:35.927 I'm Jessie Stevens, and my weekend was made by looking 0:00:36.007 --> 0:00:39.287 at where out louders are listening. There were so many 0:00:39.327 --> 0:00:42.087 outlouders and tractors as few assumed. 0:00:41.767 --> 0:00:44.167 So many on tractors. 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To all the out louders who are wondering, 0:01:51.047 --> 0:01:51.927 I'm sure we'll get into that. 0:01:52.127 --> 0:01:55.367 Also, the workplace mistake that ruined an awful lot of 0:01:55.407 --> 0:01:58.527 Friday afternoons. And yes, we are living in a world 0:01:58.767 --> 0:02:01.807 where a repentant movie star has just given a high 0:02:01.887 --> 0:02:06.447 profile interview to deny being a cannibal. Welcome to the 0:02:06.487 --> 0:02:07.887 comeback of Army Hammer. 0:02:08.047 --> 0:02:12.327 But first, Mesad, my favorite story from the weekend, in 0:02:12.367 --> 0:02:16.327 case you missed it, is that Dubai Princess has declared 0:02:16.367 --> 0:02:20.927 her divorce on Instagram. Married Just over a year ago, 0:02:21.447 --> 0:02:25.327 Shaker Mahra posted on Instagram, dear husband, as you are 0:02:25.327 --> 0:02:28.527 occupied with other companions, I hereby declare our divorce. I 0:02:28.567 --> 0:02:31.367 divorce you. I divorce you, and I divorce you. Take 0:02:31.407 --> 0:02:34.047 care your ex wife. The only thing that could have 0:02:34.047 --> 0:02:35.647 made it better as if it was on the notes app. 0:02:35.887 --> 0:02:38.927 Who is this queen you ask? She's thirty years old. 0:02:38.927 --> 0:02:42.207 She's a daughter and one of the twenty six children 0:02:42.727 --> 0:02:45.247 of Sheik Muhammad, who is the Prime Minister and Vice 0:02:45.327 --> 0:02:49.607 President of the United Arab Emirates. So the reason she 0:02:49.647 --> 0:02:52.087 said I divorced you, I divorced you, and I divorce you. 0:02:52.127 --> 0:02:54.527 There was a story on Mamma Mia that unpacked this story, 0:02:54.567 --> 0:02:56.807 which will link to in the show notes. But it 0:02:56.927 --> 0:03:01.887 refers to a tradition that's not widely practiced. It's called 0:03:01.927 --> 0:03:05.647 to luck, and in some Muslim communities it refers to 0:03:05.687 --> 0:03:08.607 the right of a man to divorce his wife, and 0:03:08.687 --> 0:03:11.767 he can do it either verbally or in writing by 0:03:11.847 --> 0:03:13.847 just saying I divorced you three times. 0:03:14.367 --> 0:03:14.487 Now. 0:03:14.527 --> 0:03:17.007 It doesn't go the other way. Women can't divorce their 0:03:17.087 --> 0:03:21.367 husbands by this same sort of ancient tradition, so it 0:03:21.407 --> 0:03:24.647 was more symbolic than anything else. But I looked a 0:03:24.647 --> 0:03:30.007 little bit further into this very interesting woman. She got 0:03:30.007 --> 0:03:32.607 married a year ago to this dude, and she gave 0:03:32.647 --> 0:03:35.167 birth to their first child ten weeks ago. 0:03:35.487 --> 0:03:37.567 And did you see the caption on that image of 0:03:37.607 --> 0:03:39.807 the child. I went back, as I need to look 0:03:39.807 --> 0:03:40.807 at the Instagram activity. 0:03:40.887 --> 0:03:42.967 Well, I would, of course immediately I went back to 0:03:42.967 --> 0:03:45.567 make sure first of course, that it was her legitimate account. 0:03:45.727 --> 0:03:47.647 It is on her account that she posted that she 0:03:47.687 --> 0:03:50.807 has almost nine hundred thousand followers, and there are no 0:03:50.847 --> 0:03:53.607 photos of him because they've each deleted all the photos 0:03:53.607 --> 0:03:56.087 of each other, including of their lavish wedding, from their 0:03:56.087 --> 0:03:57.487 respective Instagram accounts. 0:03:57.527 --> 0:04:00.127 Classic breakup. They've unfollowed each other. That's when you know 0:04:00.207 --> 0:04:03.407 it's done. And she wrote this is about six weeks 0:04:03.407 --> 0:04:05.407 ago with the baby. She just wrote just the two 0:04:05.447 --> 0:04:09.087 of us, which was weeks ago, Yeah, which might have looked, 0:04:09.487 --> 0:04:11.687 you know, out of context, just like a sweet little 0:04:11.727 --> 0:04:12.567 picture with the newborn. 0:04:12.647 --> 0:04:14.527 But now it's very loaded. 0:04:14.967 --> 0:04:16.687 I wanted to know more about the husband, or the 0:04:16.687 --> 0:04:19.967 ex husband as he will soon be. His name's Sheik 0:04:20.127 --> 0:04:23.327 Mana al Maktoum, and he's widely known for his involvement 0:04:23.407 --> 0:04:26.207 in various successful ventures. He has made a name for 0:04:26.287 --> 0:04:31.007 himself as a successful entrepreneur and passionate traveler, among other things. 0:04:31.087 --> 0:04:35.287 It would seem this is an ABC News special report. 0:04:36.167 --> 0:04:39.047 Good afternoon, I'm Rachel Scott at ABC headquarters here in 0:04:39.087 --> 0:04:39.447 New York. 0:04:39.487 --> 0:04:41.327 We are coming on the air at this hour with 0:04:41.407 --> 0:04:42.127 breaking news. 0:04:42.447 --> 0:04:45.127 President Biden has just announced that he is ending his 0:04:45.167 --> 0:04:46.127 reelection bid. 0:04:46.167 --> 0:04:49.967 Biden wrote, quote that it has been the greatest honor 0:04:50.007 --> 0:04:51.727 of my life to serve as your president. 0:04:51.807 --> 0:04:54.447 And while it has been my intention to seek reelection, 0:04:55.007 --> 0:04:56.047 I believe it. 0:04:56.007 --> 0:04:58.447 Is in the best interest of my party and the 0:04:58.527 --> 0:05:02.247 country for me to stand down and to focus solely 0:05:02.367 --> 0:05:06.047 on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of 0:05:06.167 --> 0:05:06.727 my term. 0:05:06.887 --> 0:05:09.087 The only thing hotter than the temperature here in the 0:05:09.127 --> 0:05:11.887 end the United States right now is the heat of 0:05:11.967 --> 0:05:15.207 the conversation about what's been happening. We've used the word 0:05:15.287 --> 0:05:19.527 unprecedented so many times, but we really are in unprecedented 0:05:19.607 --> 0:05:20.767 territory here with this. 0:05:21.207 --> 0:05:25.967 On Saturday afternoon, Joe Biden called Steve Ricketti, one of 0:05:26.007 --> 0:05:28.647 his closest advisors, and told him that he needed to 0:05:28.647 --> 0:05:32.367 come to the Biden Holiday House straight away and bring 0:05:32.407 --> 0:05:36.847 with him chief strategist Mike Donnillan. The reason Biden's at 0:05:36.847 --> 0:05:38.887 the family beach house are not at work in the 0:05:38.927 --> 0:05:41.847 White House is that he's sick with COVID. And you 0:05:41.927 --> 0:05:44.927 might have seen that last week. His staff went straight there, 0:05:45.087 --> 0:05:47.407 wearing their masks and giving the President of the United 0:05:47.407 --> 0:05:50.367 States a wide berth and they began to game plan 0:05:50.447 --> 0:05:54.807 out what was broadly inevitable, but until Sunday afternoon US time, 0:05:55.327 --> 0:05:59.447 certainly not a done deal. Biden, under immense pressure from 0:05:59.447 --> 0:06:02.487 his party, his country, and yes us here at momamere 0:06:02.527 --> 0:06:05.087 out loud. We're very influential. The Biden family, as I'm 0:06:05.087 --> 0:06:05.727 sure you know, was. 0:06:05.767 --> 0:06:07.567 Dual pressuring him, maybe maybe not. 0:06:08.247 --> 0:06:11.767 Was stepping down as the presidential candidate for twenty twenty four. 0:06:12.087 --> 0:06:14.327 It was not going to be eighty one year old 0:06:14.407 --> 0:06:18.247 Hymn taking on Trump. In November, The New York Times 0:06:18.287 --> 0:06:22.167 reports that on Sunday morning, he called three people, Vice 0:06:22.207 --> 0:06:25.367 President Kamala Harris, his White House chief of staff, and 0:06:25.447 --> 0:06:28.367 his campaign chairwoman and told them, but they didn't tell 0:06:28.407 --> 0:06:31.367 anyone else on his staff until one minute before he 0:06:31.447 --> 0:06:34.567 made the announcement to the world on social media. On Sunday, 0:06:34.887 --> 0:06:37.207 he got on a zoom call. That's like when your 0:06:37.207 --> 0:06:38.767 boss tells you to get on a zoom call on 0:06:38.807 --> 0:06:41.927 Sunday morning, you're like, Ah. He got on a zoom 0:06:41.967 --> 0:06:44.927 call with the rest of his staff and he read 0:06:44.967 --> 0:06:48.767 them in his raspy, COVID affected voice, his letter of resignation. 0:06:49.087 --> 0:06:51.767 He thanked them for their service, and then he pushed 0:06:51.807 --> 0:06:54.887 go on posting the letter to social media. And then 0:06:54.927 --> 0:06:57.287 he said to his team, apparently, come to me with 0:06:57.367 --> 0:07:00.527 the work and let's get it done. He posted at 0:07:00.607 --> 0:07:02.087 one forty six pm. 0:07:02.527 --> 0:07:03.607 The reaction was swift. 0:07:03.767 --> 0:07:06.047 A surprise but not a shock, is how some described it, 0:07:06.087 --> 0:07:08.127 referring more to the timing and the manner of it 0:07:08.167 --> 0:07:11.407 than the announcement, which everybody's been kind of hoping was 0:07:11.447 --> 0:07:13.967 going to come for a while. And the Democrats immediately 0:07:14.047 --> 0:07:16.687 rolled out there, Joe is a hero, What a wonderful president, 0:07:16.727 --> 0:07:19.807 What a selfless act? This has been tributes and Trump's 0:07:19.807 --> 0:07:25.047 Republicans immediately went on the attack, questioning who is and 0:07:25.087 --> 0:07:28.647 who has been running the country, calling for Biden's immediate 0:07:28.687 --> 0:07:32.767 resignation as president, and pointing hard at the perceived deception 0:07:32.927 --> 0:07:36.287 of the Democrats for keeping Biden's condition secret for so long. 0:07:36.727 --> 0:07:39.647 Donald Trump said, bless him. He's always so reasonable, isn't he. 0:07:39.967 --> 0:07:42.567 I bet he just said, I wish you well, old mate. 0:07:42.727 --> 0:07:44.327 Yeah, I hope you recover stiffly. 0:07:44.527 --> 0:07:48.847 Yes, What did he say that crooked Joe Biden was 0:07:48.887 --> 0:07:51.527 not fit to run for president? He's certainly not fit 0:07:51.567 --> 0:07:54.447 to serve and he never was explamation Mark. He only 0:07:54.487 --> 0:07:57.487 attained the position of president by lies, fake news in 0:07:57.527 --> 0:08:01.247 capital letters, and by not leaving his basement. All those 0:08:01.247 --> 0:08:05.767 around him, all those around him, including his doctor and 0:08:05.807 --> 0:08:08.287 the media, knew that he wasn't capable of being president, 0:08:08.327 --> 0:08:10.287 and he wasn't an Now, look what he's done to 0:08:10.327 --> 0:08:13.247 our country, with millions of people coming across our border, 0:08:13.447 --> 0:08:17.367 totally unchecked and unvetted, many from prisons, mental institutions, and 0:08:17.447 --> 0:08:20.647 record numbers of terrorists. We will suffer greatly because of 0:08:20.647 --> 0:08:22.607 his president, but we will remedy the damage he has 0:08:22.607 --> 0:08:26.447 done very quickly make America great again. Maya Jesse, what 0:08:26.567 --> 0:08:28.927 were your feelings on waking up to this news. 0:08:29.367 --> 0:08:34.087 I was relieved, of course, I was also quite surprised 0:08:34.167 --> 0:08:37.487 because it was just it had become this incredible stalemate, 0:08:38.087 --> 0:08:40.647 and I was girding as many Democrats were. Not that 0:08:40.687 --> 0:08:42.527 I'm a Democrat, I live in a different country, but 0:08:43.007 --> 0:08:47.847 I was getting monary incensed that an entire party, and indeed, 0:08:47.967 --> 0:08:52.207 potentially an entire democratic system, was being held hostage by 0:08:52.247 --> 0:08:55.887 this man who was said to be stubborn and digging 0:08:55.927 --> 0:08:59.207 in and angry that people were betraying him. And it's like, dude, 0:08:59.687 --> 0:09:00.767 it's not about you. 0:09:00.967 --> 0:09:03.327 I thought the whole democratic system was being held hostage 0:09:03.367 --> 0:09:04.167 by his wife, Jill. 0:09:04.927 --> 0:09:07.647 Well, that's true because I think if Jill had said, 0:09:07.887 --> 0:09:10.487 I'm so glad you put it out, Jesse, Because if 0:09:10.607 --> 0:09:14.607 Jill had said, Joe, it's time to go stop, Joe 0:09:14.647 --> 0:09:17.287 would have been so. But if Jill had said three 0:09:17.287 --> 0:09:20.247 weeks a year ago, when he decided he was going 0:09:20.327 --> 0:09:24.647 to run, Joe, sweetie, no, then we wouldn't be here. 0:09:24.727 --> 0:09:26.727 So the argument that we've been having for weeks is 0:09:26.767 --> 0:09:30.487 whether or not Jill actually had any power in that. 0:09:30.607 --> 0:09:32.487 I mean, now that he has stepped down, are we 0:09:32.607 --> 0:09:34.047 going to give her a little bit of credit that 0:09:34.087 --> 0:09:38.567 perhaps perhaps Jill has actually been in his earl along. 0:09:38.567 --> 0:09:41.247 They've been in the holiday house, they've been having maybe 0:09:41.327 --> 0:09:44.007 some chats, maybe some walks along the beach, maybe some 0:09:44.327 --> 0:09:45.567 bedside conversations. 0:09:45.727 --> 0:09:49.247 She posted a love heart emoji you know, the double 0:09:49.367 --> 0:09:52.767 love hearts yep, and the sound you can hear also 0:09:53.127 --> 0:09:56.487 is Donald Trump frantically googling what rhymes with Kamala. 0:09:56.727 --> 0:09:59.807 That brings us to what's next. Over the past few weeks, 0:09:59.847 --> 0:10:02.807 since that fateful debate, it's been widely said that there 0:10:02.807 --> 0:10:05.727 were two options for the Dems to replace Biden. Either 0:10:06.207 --> 0:10:09.727 Biden annoints Harris, making her a pretty sure shoey for 0:10:09.807 --> 0:10:12.287 the nomination going into the convention in three weeks time, 0:10:12.607 --> 0:10:14.887 similar to how we've just seen Trump right at the 0:10:15.287 --> 0:10:19.567 Republican Convention being chosen even though obviously he was chosen 0:10:19.607 --> 0:10:22.607 a long time ago. Or the idea was a few 0:10:22.607 --> 0:10:25.927 candidates emerge and they run into the convention with like 0:10:26.007 --> 0:10:29.247 open debates and sort of campaigning, and then at the 0:10:29.247 --> 0:10:32.287 convention they pick someone, which is apparently how it used 0:10:32.287 --> 0:10:33.847 to be done in the olden days but hasn't been 0:10:33.847 --> 0:10:37.687 for ages. It very much looks like the former is happening. 0:10:38.127 --> 0:10:40.287 And although he didn't do it instantly, he did keep 0:10:40.327 --> 0:10:44.007 Kamala hanging for half an hour. Biden has endorsed her 0:10:44.167 --> 0:10:46.687 as his pick for the nominee. She of course, is 0:10:46.727 --> 0:10:50.007 the vice president, and although she's been publicly backing Biden 0:10:50.047 --> 0:10:53.687 in the last few weeks, she has also been conspicuously 0:10:53.807 --> 0:10:56.887 visible and giving some pretty good speeches in a way 0:10:57.127 --> 0:10:59.567 that the president is certainly not able to do at 0:10:59.567 --> 0:11:02.047 the minute. Here she is a few days ago talking 0:11:02.047 --> 0:11:04.727 about the Republican Convention and its claims to be the 0:11:04.767 --> 0:11:05.767 Party of Unity. 0:11:06.927 --> 0:11:11.807 You cannot claim you stand unity if you are intent 0:11:12.247 --> 0:11:15.887 on taking reproductive freedoms from the people of America and 0:11:15.967 --> 0:11:22.287 the women of America, trying to ban abortion nationwide as 0:11:22.327 --> 0:11:26.847 they do, and restrict access to IVF and contraception as 0:11:26.887 --> 0:11:28.447 their plan calls for. 0:11:29.127 --> 0:11:32.007 She responded to the announcement that Joe Biden was stepping 0:11:32.007 --> 0:11:34.927 aside by posting on behalf of the American people. I 0:11:34.967 --> 0:11:37.607 thank Joe Biden for his extraordinary leadership as President of 0:11:37.687 --> 0:11:40.687 the United States. I'm honored to have the President's endorsement, 0:11:40.727 --> 0:11:43.247 and my intention is to earn and win this nomination. 0:11:43.727 --> 0:11:45.807 I will do everything in my power to unite the 0:11:45.807 --> 0:11:49.127 Democratic Party and unite our nation to defeat Donald Trump 0:11:49.207 --> 0:11:52.807 and his extreme Project twenty twenty five agenda. If you're 0:11:52.847 --> 0:11:54.967 with me at a donation right now at my link 0:11:55.047 --> 0:11:57.927 in bio. Few things about that. First of all, the 0:11:57.967 --> 0:12:01.007 money's going to start coming back again. The donation tap 0:12:01.087 --> 0:12:04.967 will be turned on. Pretty much everybody, every major and 0:12:05.047 --> 0:12:08.607 minor donor in the Democratic Party had switched the tap off. 0:12:09.407 --> 0:12:11.327 Read and tell me if this is true or not. 0:12:11.647 --> 0:12:15.687 That if he endorses Kamala Harris, then the donations can 0:12:15.687 --> 0:12:18.087 go to her. But if it's a completely different nominee, 0:12:18.127 --> 0:12:20.487 then they have to raise money themselves. 0:12:20.727 --> 0:12:23.007 If it's a completely different nominee, the money goes back 0:12:23.047 --> 0:12:23.687 to the party. 0:12:23.807 --> 0:12:26.007 Yeah, and then it's complicated. 0:12:25.367 --> 0:12:27.647 To the nominee in a new way. But because the 0:12:27.687 --> 0:12:31.447 money was donated to Biden Harris, it's kamel as money. 0:12:31.527 --> 0:12:33.647 So there's about one hundred and fifty million dollars in 0:12:33.687 --> 0:12:35.727 an account. The Republicans are going to try and block 0:12:35.807 --> 0:12:40.047 that easy transition. They're already working to make that happen 0:12:40.567 --> 0:12:42.367 in that grab. In her statement, the two things that 0:12:42.407 --> 0:12:45.327 are interesting. Instead of Joe Biden, who's only been able 0:12:45.367 --> 0:12:47.927 to talk about his own mental acuity over the last 0:12:47.967 --> 0:12:52.207 little while, she named two things that are really really 0:12:52.287 --> 0:12:55.647 strong points of vulnerability for Trump and the Republican Party. 0:12:55.647 --> 0:12:59.567 The first is women's reproductive rights and abortion, which Joe 0:12:59.607 --> 0:13:01.967 Biden has really not been able to articulate at all. 0:13:02.287 --> 0:13:04.847 And the second is Project twenty twenty five. Hole, can 0:13:04.887 --> 0:13:05.847 you explain what that is? 0:13:06.327 --> 0:13:09.087 Yes, So it was very clever of Harris to mention 0:13:09.527 --> 0:13:12.847 straight off the bat in her first post, because if 0:13:12.887 --> 0:13:15.767 you have not heard of Project twenty twenty five, turned 0:13:15.767 --> 0:13:18.127 to your teenager in your life and ask them about it, right, 0:13:18.207 --> 0:13:21.407 because it is a story that's now blown up into 0:13:21.447 --> 0:13:24.247 the mainstream, but it's been bubbling away in places like 0:13:24.287 --> 0:13:26.487 TikTok for age. It's my fourteen year old knows about 0:13:26.527 --> 0:13:29.607 Project twenty twenty five what it actually is. And the 0:13:29.647 --> 0:13:32.007 ABC's four corners are doing a great two power on 0:13:32.047 --> 0:13:33.687 Trump that goes into this. I talked about it a 0:13:33.727 --> 0:13:37.087 bit on Friday, but it's basically this plan that a 0:13:37.207 --> 0:13:41.847 sort of cohort of quite right as in right leaning Republicans, 0:13:41.887 --> 0:13:44.967 mostly MAGA people have been working on putting in place 0:13:45.047 --> 0:13:47.447 that in theory, means that when Donald Trump, if Donald 0:13:47.487 --> 0:13:50.567 Trump gets elected president on day one, he can go 0:13:50.607 --> 0:13:53.127 into lots of organizations within the government. Because remember, to 0:13:53.167 --> 0:13:56.207 get anything done in any government takes a long time. 0:13:56.247 --> 0:13:58.087 You've got all the levels of civil service you've got 0:13:58.087 --> 0:14:01.407 to get through. The idea is having right leaning, sympathetic 0:14:01.407 --> 0:14:05.127 Trump Conservatives ready to go in all those institutions turfing 0:14:05.127 --> 0:14:06.087 out the people who are there. 0:14:06.407 --> 0:14:06.647 Jd. 0:14:06.727 --> 0:14:08.607 Vance has said he wants to fire all the mid 0:14:08.687 --> 0:14:11.207 level bureau crats in America on day one of Trump 0:14:11.247 --> 0:14:14.887 presidency to get the Trump sympathists in there, and then 0:14:14.927 --> 0:14:17.727 the idea is they can go hard on enacting things 0:14:17.767 --> 0:14:20.727 they really want to do, like a nationwide abortion Bannon, 0:14:20.807 --> 0:14:21.887 as Harris mentioned in that. 0:14:21.847 --> 0:14:23.327 Speech, not just about abortion. 0:14:23.527 --> 0:14:28.847 It's also even about contraception IVF coming after same sex marriage, 0:14:28.847 --> 0:14:31.647 marriage equality, lifting, lots of restrictions on where you can 0:14:31.727 --> 0:14:32.887 drill for oil, lots. 0:14:32.647 --> 0:14:35.727 Of very import that sounds like tyranny. 0:14:35.927 --> 0:14:38.567 To be honest and even handed about this, Trump has 0:14:38.607 --> 0:14:41.087 begun to distance himself a bit from the Project twenty 0:14:41.127 --> 0:14:43.767 twenty five thing, and so there are little bits of 0:14:43.807 --> 0:14:48.047 debate about how legit it really is, but it's definitely happening. 0:14:48.127 --> 0:14:50.807 The ABC's documentary got a lot of people on the record, 0:14:50.847 --> 0:14:53.287 and have a copy of the whole documentation watch. 0:14:53.367 --> 0:14:56.647 The first thing he will do is change that you 0:14:56.647 --> 0:14:58.647 can only be president for two terms. 0:14:58.887 --> 0:15:00.447 You say that like he's a shoe in and I 0:15:00.487 --> 0:15:04.567 would like to I am feeling optimistic relief. 0:15:04.727 --> 0:15:06.727 So let me do tiny bit about camera and then 0:15:06.727 --> 0:15:08.327 we can go to how excited we are or are 0:15:08.367 --> 0:15:10.887 not about this now. So if you just need a 0:15:10.967 --> 0:15:13.687 very quick reminder on who Harris is, she's fifty nine, 0:15:13.807 --> 0:15:14.927 which is so. 0:15:14.967 --> 0:15:17.647 Young in comparison. He's a gen XA. 0:15:18.127 --> 0:15:20.447 She is a politician from California who has a really 0:15:20.447 --> 0:15:23.167 long legal career. So she was the DA for San Francisco. 0:15:23.407 --> 0:15:26.607 She was the Attorney General for California. So she's a prosecutor, right, 0:15:26.647 --> 0:15:29.207 which is why she's very good at arguing. She's married 0:15:29.247 --> 0:15:32.567 to fellow lawyer Doug Emhoff. She has two adult step 0:15:32.647 --> 0:15:35.087 children with him, and she famously said they call her 0:15:35.167 --> 0:15:37.847 Mamola when she was sworn in. She's the first woman, 0:15:37.847 --> 0:15:40.687 obviously VP, the first Black American and the first Indian 0:15:40.687 --> 0:15:42.927 American to take the role. The people who love her 0:15:42.967 --> 0:15:45.367 say she's great because she knows how to get shit done, 0:15:45.527 --> 0:15:47.727 that she's progressive but tough on crime, and with her 0:15:47.807 --> 0:15:49.847 legal history, she has the chops to be aggressive in 0:15:49.887 --> 0:15:52.687 her opposition to him. She's young, she's energetic, and she 0:15:52.727 --> 0:15:54.927 could run for two terms. The people who are not 0:15:55.087 --> 0:15:58.407 so keen say that she has disappointed in the VP role, 0:15:58.767 --> 0:16:01.287 that she's not very good off the cuff, and she's 0:16:01.367 --> 0:16:04.567 not what they call a performance politician, which can be 0:16:04.607 --> 0:16:07.007 a problem when you're up against a man who is 0:16:07.167 --> 0:16:10.087 all performance, which is what Donald Trump is. So Mia 0:16:10.127 --> 0:16:13.007 and Jesse, are we excited and are we excited about Harris? 0:16:13.327 --> 0:16:15.727 I'm excited And I think that this is a case. 0:16:15.727 --> 0:16:18.167 I remember thinking this about Joe Biden a while back, 0:16:18.287 --> 0:16:20.287 that it was a man who met his moment. And 0:16:20.367 --> 0:16:23.287 I think that this has the potential to be a 0:16:23.327 --> 0:16:27.007 candidate who's met her moment. Because she is a prosecutor 0:16:27.047 --> 0:16:29.687 who is up against a convicted felon, there's a really 0:16:29.727 --> 0:16:34.047 easy campaign line. She's hard on crime, and she always 0:16:34.047 --> 0:16:36.447 has been. That's part of her history. So she's a 0:16:36.487 --> 0:16:39.047 Democrat who's hard on crime, which it will appeal to 0:16:39.127 --> 0:16:44.167 a certain centrist Republican. And with even what Trump said 0:16:44.327 --> 0:16:48.167 about immigration and crime and terrorism and blah blah, whether 0:16:48.287 --> 0:16:52.087 or not that's true, Kamala actually has the history and 0:16:52.127 --> 0:16:55.447 the qualifications to say I know how to fix this. 0:16:55.967 --> 0:17:01.127 I think Kamala at her absolute best. I've been listening 0:17:01.367 --> 0:17:05.407 to clips from her exchanges with Brett Kavanagh. When she 0:17:05.967 --> 0:17:08.887 is in her element, she is very, very good. And 0:17:08.887 --> 0:17:11.287 I've heard analysts who are a lot smarter than me 0:17:12.207 --> 0:17:15.407 say she's great at the specific. She's really good on 0:17:15.447 --> 0:17:18.367 a point. She's really good at legislation, she's really good 0:17:18.407 --> 0:17:22.287 at pressing something. What she's not great at And when 0:17:22.287 --> 0:17:26.327 people say she's not a great performance politician, she's not 0:17:26.607 --> 0:17:32.527 necessarily someone who can stand on stage and deliver this rousing, 0:17:32.687 --> 0:17:37.007 exciting broad strokes speech about the future. That's not something 0:17:37.007 --> 0:17:38.767 they've seen from her like Obama. 0:17:38.887 --> 0:17:39.167 Yeah. 0:17:39.207 --> 0:17:43.687 And she's not particularly Trump yeah. And she's not particularly 0:17:43.767 --> 0:17:47.407 interested in a personal narrative. So there's this great profile 0:17:47.447 --> 0:17:49.807 that was written, I think, in The New Yorker about 0:17:49.807 --> 0:17:52.567 her a few years back. She said, I don't feel 0:17:52.607 --> 0:17:55.727 comfortable talking about myself. That's not what she finds interesting. 0:17:56.127 --> 0:17:59.327 Is also rather start contrast to somebody else. 0:17:59.527 --> 0:18:01.967 So she's great when she has a job to do. 0:18:02.607 --> 0:18:05.847 But I also heard someone say, who's a longtime adviser 0:18:05.847 --> 0:18:08.487 of hers, one thing that drives her crazy is getting 0:18:08.567 --> 0:18:11.447 reduced to a demographics stereotype. It is going to be 0:18:11.567 --> 0:18:14.047 enormously symbolic to have a candidate up who's the first 0:18:14.087 --> 0:18:17.607 female woman of color who's potentially president of the United States. 0:18:17.967 --> 0:18:19.567 To her, I don't think that's going to be the 0:18:19.607 --> 0:18:23.487 most interesting thing. She's very much like, I deserve this, 0:18:23.607 --> 0:18:26.087 I'm qualified for this, and I have a lot of 0:18:26.127 --> 0:18:26.447 work to do. 0:18:26.567 --> 0:18:28.727 I don't know if she says I deserve this, but 0:18:28.887 --> 0:18:31.967 I think it was important that she said I want 0:18:32.007 --> 0:18:33.567 to earn this nomination. 0:18:33.847 --> 0:18:34.967 What do you think of that mean? 0:18:35.407 --> 0:18:38.847 It means that she's not accepting it as a leydown Mazet. 0:18:38.927 --> 0:18:41.487 She's not accepting it as a foregone conclusion. She knows 0:18:41.567 --> 0:18:45.807 because it's true, she does have to work, and currently, 0:18:46.007 --> 0:18:48.807 you know, reports are that she's of course working the phones. 0:18:49.207 --> 0:18:52.167 She's already got the endorsement of the Clintons, of Pete 0:18:52.167 --> 0:18:55.407 Boodage Edge of Gavin Newsom, who is another considered both 0:18:55.447 --> 0:18:57.847 of them were considered to be front runners if it 0:18:57.887 --> 0:18:59.287 was going to be an open convention. 0:18:59.527 --> 0:19:02.127 The convention this is this is where I could see 0:19:02.167 --> 0:19:05.127 things going really wrong, right is if this breaks into 0:19:05.447 --> 0:19:07.567 all out chaos and then you have a whole lot 0:19:07.567 --> 0:19:09.367 of nominees come forward and go I want to I 0:19:09.407 --> 0:19:12.607 want it, then what can happen is that you get 0:19:12.607 --> 0:19:15.207 this infighting. We've seen this in Australia a little bit, 0:19:15.527 --> 0:19:17.847 but then you've got a lack of unity, a lack 0:19:17.847 --> 0:19:18.447 of narrative. 0:19:18.527 --> 0:19:21.127 The Republicans jump on that. Do you see a world 0:19:21.207 --> 0:19:22.167 in which that happens. 0:19:22.527 --> 0:19:25.167 I did before, but I don't now because I think 0:19:25.207 --> 0:19:29.327 that all the senior Democrats are working behind the scenes, 0:19:30.167 --> 0:19:32.487 and they were working behind the scenes to engineer Biden 0:19:32.527 --> 0:19:36.287 to step aside without publicly humiliating him and holding a 0:19:36.327 --> 0:19:39.687