WEBVTT - I'm Not Putting My Kid On Social Media...Wait HOW MUCH?!

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>on today. That's your person who's not protected you.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't safe. I wasn't protected and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>job of a parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly. Hello, shit is it's been a while. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to Eat, Sleep, Shit Repeat, The Wildly Unhingeed Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>all about the madness that is motherhood and everything in between.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Key re Sell, I'm Kelly McCarran. Season five. There

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<v Speaker 2>really is no rhyme or reason to any of our seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>So it sounds so impressive like season five, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. The first season was six episodes just to

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<v Speaker 2>feel everything out, and then some of them have just

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<v Speaker 2>been I honestly couldn't even tell you how many episodes

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<v Speaker 2>there have been in each season. It's just generally when

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<v Speaker 2>we have to take a break because of other things

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<v Speaker 2>and we're like, re calibra, yeah season next season.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone, we were like, we're up to episode sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, yeah, it's time for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally, we want to do like four seasons a year,

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<v Speaker 1>like terms sounds kind of to align with school holidays

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<v Speaker 1>and et cetera. Et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we are reaching a stage where we do

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<v Speaker 2>an episode about ghosts, then that's when we need to recalibrate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I could not believe how fast this year has gone. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're on the tail end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm gonna have a baby pretty soon, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>How crazy is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I had an exceptionally memorable unmemorable, I might say, New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's And the weird thing is is that it actually just

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<v Speaker 2>still feels really recent, Like I think, oh my goodness, news,

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<v Speaker 2>that was so much fun, like the best New Years

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<v Speaker 2>I've had in so long. Yeah, but oh my goodness, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm closer to this New Years than last year. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird, isn't it. Well? On the show today, we're

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<v Speaker 1>unpacking one of the juiciest parenthood hot topics. Should I

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<v Speaker 1>put my kid on socials? How much is too much?

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<v Speaker 2>Being content creators? We're both also going to dish on

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<v Speaker 2>the monetary benefits of including your kids, and do we

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<v Speaker 2>ever feel bad they pay you?

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<v Speaker 1>How much?

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<v Speaker 2>But first he can pit bibbers and it is my town.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, you've been in Europe. Surely you've got

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<v Speaker 2>lots of peaks and pits.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but mine the next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, true, true, The entire episode is actually about your

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<v Speaker 2>trip next week, so everyone can get excited about that.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, we start off.

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<v Speaker 1>With our the German Gloom, the Doom and.

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<v Speaker 2>Gloom, and I actually need your help with my pitch

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm still very unsure what to do. So I

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<v Speaker 2>had sneaky suspicions that Lynn needed his adnoids out for sure, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and also I suspected tonsils because he's honestly, he's been

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<v Speaker 2>on antibotics that many times. He always snotty and disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm so surprised it took them that long to

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<v Speaker 1>refer you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he did go on to an inte though. Originally,

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<v Speaker 2>when Lenny was one, he had grommets put in, but

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<v Speaker 2>because of his issues with his soft I guess and

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<v Speaker 2>his reflux and everything as a baby, he had to

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<v Speaker 2>get scoped and biopsies, so he had a gastrologist at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time as the E and t in the surgery,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was only under for the one procedure. So

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<v Speaker 2>like it took a lot of admin to get that

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<v Speaker 2>in the same hospital and everything. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it was because they were already doing a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things. But the E and T, who haven't gone

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<v Speaker 2>back to for multiple reasons, never even looked in his

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<v Speaker 2>throat or in his nose, which is wild to me

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<v Speaker 2>because so many kids, especially little boys, need the full

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<v Speaker 2>trifector exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, so I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>both of his grammts had come out. That happened, and

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<v Speaker 2>then within a few weeks of the grommets both coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>he had such a hectic ear infection that, like both

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<v Speaker 2>of these's were proper flooding with fluids. It was disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>And his nose is something that most people have never witnessed.

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<v Speaker 2>All kids get snotty. Yeah, but when I tell you that, Lenny,

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<v Speaker 2>like when he sneezes, it lands in his lap. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>there is that much snot it must be so uncomfortable. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I still suck his snot manually a lot, like a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times a week.

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<v Speaker 1>To help the poor he like, is he okay with

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<v Speaker 1>you doing it?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to bribe him, But he can be bribed,

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<v Speaker 2>probably because he knows that it does feel better, like

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<v Speaker 2>it obviously hurts him, or he doesn't like it, but

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<v Speaker 2>so took him to an E and t as best

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<v Speaker 2>as she could. She had a good look around and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, adnoids definitely need to come out. So

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<v Speaker 2>she would chuck some grommets in and then she was like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>the tonsils certainly are big, Like they're not so big

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<v Speaker 2>that some kids it's inhibiting. They're eating their speech, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different things, so they're not big big, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're definitely not on the small, safer side where they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't touch them. So she was kind of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we could do that as well. But the difference is

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<v Speaker 2>is that with adnoids and gromets, he would have it

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<v Speaker 2>done on like a Thursday, say, and he would be

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<v Speaker 2>back at daycare on the Monday and he'd be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But tols a tonsils like a proper in hospital, there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a low chance of a rebleed and it's two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks recovery. But then on like they don't get tonsilitis

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<v Speaker 2>or any of that shit though after right, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have tonsils, so it's like long still get sick.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of content creators I follow with little boys

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<v Speaker 2>that have had it done. The kids are always still

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<v Speaker 2>bloody sick, and I'm kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably less severely sick than they would have been exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I think I just need to weigh up

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<v Speaker 2>the pros and cons, Like, do I just wait a

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<v Speaker 2>couple more years to get the tonsils out when he's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit older so I can understand the concept

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<v Speaker 2>of why he's getting it done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>If he was a bit older, and I could be like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is why I need you to take the medicine

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<v Speaker 2>because it's going to help with your pain relief.

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<v Speaker 1>This and you get to get ice cream and you

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<v Speaker 1>get to have milkshake.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the moment, of course, he understands a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's also two, even though he's huge, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people forget that when they look

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<v Speaker 2>at him, that he actually is only two and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's still a little boy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it would be really hard to try to explain

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<v Speaker 2>different things to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you know best. I think to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the way you've just explained it, I think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know I'm erring on the side. You can tell that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm erring on the side of just adenoids.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think his age, you don't want them to

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<v Speaker 1>be down and out for too long.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't really afford to take two weeks off as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Like anyway, my peek, you're going to be so happy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I booked a holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so happy for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I do need to say that with all my winging,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like I haven't done anything over the past,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I haven't been on holidays for over four and

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<v Speaker 2>a half years, almost five years. But I've been on

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<v Speaker 2>like girls' mini breaks and like little weekends away, which

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<v Speaker 2>is still more than something else. So I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>a bit guilty whinging about these sorts of things. But

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<v Speaker 2>the crazy thing is is that what I realized as

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<v Speaker 2>well when I used to work in corporate but like

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<v Speaker 2>five in a nine to five and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>team Remember talking to the HR once because I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to sort out like some team members leave, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said to the HR, I was like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be happy about how much leave this

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<v Speaker 2>person has because then they're probably saving it all up

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<v Speaker 2>to go away for a couple of months next year, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's why you don't want people banking leave And

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, no, no, She's like, we don't like people

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<v Speaker 2>banking leave because there is a direct correlation between length

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<v Speaker 2>between having a break, having a holiday, and then like

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<v Speaker 2>your workload productivity declining, wow mistakes. The actual data behind

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<v Speaker 2>why people need holidays when you work nine to five

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a strategy to kind of prevent burnout, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was thinking about that because then I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, you silly billy. I'm probably just so burnt

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<v Speaker 2>out at the moment that because I haven't had any

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<v Speaker 2>break proper, even had a baby, I didn't have a break.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, of course I'm so feeling so overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 2>and burnt out.

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<v Speaker 1>By every definitely, And I feel like I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of a person you are on a holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>But my sight said that something to me before we

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<v Speaker 1>went to Europe, and it was, hey, when you're on holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>if you just go for a walk that day around

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<v Speaker 1>where you are, that's cool. Like you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing something every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm perfectly good at like.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually rest and don't make it be like a busy holiday.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a good mix between busyness and also like one

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<v Speaker 2>busy day, one chill day, one busy day to break

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<v Speaker 2>it up like that. But listen me being me, I

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee I'll have two days off socials and then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly get like a birtht of Yeah, especially if Len's

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<v Speaker 2>being super cute, which is funny given today. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so excited, Like I've already messaged my energy healer and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get in with her, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what will happen after I visit her.

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<v Speaker 1>You've also already got the whole wardrobe for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the suitcase too.

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<v Speaker 2>Did my travel spoon? I've got my cutely yellow suitcats

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<v Speaker 2>is ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so prepaired. I'm just so glad you've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>You deserve it, so more about traveling next week.

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<v Speaker 1>You've just had a baby. You're completely in love. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also still asleep, and you can't wait to share that

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<v Speaker 1>little human you've just grown or have been patiently waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for that they've arrived. You want to share their name. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>and that mummy's.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing great, Mum and bub doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Mum and bub doing well. You might pop it in

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<v Speaker 1>your family chat, your group chats direct to the besties,

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<v Speaker 1>and then social media. I'm going to admit something a

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<v Speaker 1>bit mean here.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not often mean, so this is.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to be honest. Okay, I do get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit judgy wudgie with how soon people share

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<v Speaker 1>their baby announcements.

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<v Speaker 2>They might have had it ready to go though it

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<v Speaker 2>might be their partner.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just don't know how anyone could be bothered.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, I do it in my head exclusively to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>like only a bitch behind their back to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, you don't comment on someone's post going going a

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<v Speaker 2>bit soon already on social media, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But in my head I'm thinking, like, aren't you tied China?

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<v Speaker 2>Aren't you still being stitched?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Aren't you trying to do a boob before they

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<v Speaker 1>let you go home? That's kind of what I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know what the appropriate time is, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even like know what I'm judging that off,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do feel some kind of way about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe three days i'd feel okay.

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<v Speaker 2>How often? How quickly did you share?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like a week and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so long, not so long, but I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even ready to post when I did. But Luke said

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<v Speaker 2>to me, can you please post something? Because he was

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<v Speaker 2>getting so many dms from people. Then friends were messaging

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<v Speaker 2>him saying, hey, I'm getting dms from people like and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to bother me with it, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were also like, oh my goodness, why are you being so.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't really answer those people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was also very weird about I think because

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<v Speaker 2>of what I've been through, but I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to anyone. I didn't really want to. I get it, yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So it took me so long to share anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Which makes complete sense. And that's why I'm also like

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that's had a bit of trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that'll be such a good example of the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you have a really great birth next time,

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<v Speaker 2>you might post that day because you'll be like, gods

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<v Speaker 2>have just slayed this whole birth thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually true. Maybe I will, Maybe I will. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we've made it through me being an absolute Karen

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<v Speaker 1>on your announcement post. It's me. I know I am

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, so don't worry about that. But where at

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<v Speaker 1>you from here? Cal we've taken slightly different routes when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to sharing. Len and Rual on socials. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you talk me through how you felt about sharing len

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<v Speaker 1>when you were pregnant or just like you know, your pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, versus now as a toddler. Have your feelings changed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, over the past two and a half three

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<v Speaker 1>as years if we factor in being pregnant as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and have you ever regretted sharing anything?

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<v Speaker 2>So the funny thing is is that I didn't share

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<v Speaker 2>that much early in my pregnancy because I was so ill.

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<v Speaker 2>So even after I sort of announced it, it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>I was just always online sharing different things about my

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<v Speaker 2>pregnancy because everything that was happening with my friend, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to gloat about being pregnant, and also I

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<v Speaker 2>was just so ill. When I look back, I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>probably shared too much about some things, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>regret it because I do know how much it helped

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<v Speaker 2>other women who then felt seen through maybe what they

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<v Speaker 2>were feeling or what their baby was doing. On reflection,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like, oh, that information is now out

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<v Speaker 2>in the world and it does involve him. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>little things like I just would never want to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny's feelings or make him think, oh, my goodness, my

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<v Speaker 2>mom was so miserable when I was little, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can try to explain it to him as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it was my mom that had shared like

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<v Speaker 2>that and I saw it as a grown up even

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's such a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>So and also just some things about he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quite certain I shared medical information about different things that

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<v Speaker 2>I probably, you know, that's very personal to him. It's not,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't feel like an t stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is personal.

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<v Speaker 1>But other stuff, it was some stuff I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, you know what one I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm pretty sure I spoke about that publicly and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's like, hell, that's his, it's not any.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, I do think that I probably just

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<v Speaker 2>shared too much. But once that was just learning for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of funny because, well, I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>older he gets, he's more of an individual person. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny if you looked at my Instagram, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>first year that he was born, my grid is just

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<v Speaker 2>like all us. Yeah. And then as he started daycare,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at my grid now, it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>it have a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because I've removed him from so much of

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<v Speaker 2>my content because there's so many different reasons, but one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest ones is that he is now an

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<v Speaker 2>individual person with his own life. It's not like we

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<v Speaker 2>are just a pair that does every single thing together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to share him all over the

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<v Speaker 2>time because he doesn't like it. You know how people go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my kid loves being part of it. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>myst I don't really know what they're saying. Yes too,

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<v Speaker 2>but even he doesn't actually love sometimes he does, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I'll be like filming and having fun with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But if he is just like cranky because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like the phone or the camera, I just put it down.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to annoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a boundary there and it's clear, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's uncomfortable or not into it or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've always been extremely private and safe about if

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<v Speaker 2>I share a daycare photo, I analyze that photo. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know why I bother because I analyze it

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<v Speaker 2>for about ten minutes. To every single feature of anyone

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<v Speaker 2>else or location, anything that could give anything away is blurred.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so careful with never sharing our location of

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<v Speaker 2>the suburb or area even that we live in. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't ever location post when I'm out and about until

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<v Speaker 2>later because there's weird o's Like I'm just very, very

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<v Speaker 2>very careful with location stuff. And it's just so funny

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<v Speaker 2>because that's how I made one of my friends because

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<v Speaker 2>she messaged me and she goes, hey, do you live

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<v Speaker 2>in X my suburb? And I wrote back quite rude

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<v Speaker 2>or not rude, but I was a bit like, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you know that? What did I say? Like, because

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<v Speaker 2>I just in my thought mind, even though I'm so careful,

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<v Speaker 2>thought that i'd accidentally shared something. She was like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to sound

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<v Speaker 2>like a stalker. I live in ex suburb and I

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<v Speaker 2>recognize this street, this street, this street type thing where

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<v Speaker 2>just like tiny things you'd only know if you lived

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<v Speaker 2>in that. You've lived in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're really good friends and we catch up

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<v Speaker 2>all the time because our kids are the exact same age.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was really good. But it's just, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so careful, so you're aware.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not perfect. I've definitely I'm learning as

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<v Speaker 2>I go along, but I try my best without pretending

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't exist or keeping him completely off my socials

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<v Speaker 2>because as much I completely respect what anyone else wants

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<v Speaker 2>to do, but he's just too I share my life online.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a part of I guess my content that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always sharing my life and he's a huge part

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<v Speaker 2>of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's just such a joyful, hilarious little thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to share him. Yeah, not everything about him, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff I love sharing. Yeah, So I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm at. What about you, because then we can

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<v Speaker 2>get into the monetary side of content creation with babies,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know is when people start getting real angry

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<v Speaker 2>and opinionated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I was fairly open during pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not tell you. I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was like, i'd what, no why. I

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<v Speaker 1>just had a good pregnant I'm having more trying pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am more text book if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go, there you go. But I always felt,

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<v Speaker 1>even pregnant, I felt really strongly about keeping them off

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<v Speaker 1>socials for two main reasons. One is one I think

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<v Speaker 1>that like everyone can relate to, which is like the

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<v Speaker 1>dark web and people who are you know, the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>types of people getting hold of that content. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the other one is actually because of my birth mum,

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<v Speaker 1>my Instagram is not private, so anyone can look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know for a fact that she does listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcasts because I've had an email recently about my

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<v Speaker 1>critique of her parenting if you will so, and that

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed my thoughts, Like I thought, of course, she probably

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<v Speaker 1>because she can't get access to me. I'm assuming she

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<v Speaker 1>would or someone would at least send it to her.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're curious. So I always people up on Instagram, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not surprised if she looked me up. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. It's like, I really want to protect rue

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want someone who's been really hurtful to

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<v Speaker 1>me and really toxic to me to really have access

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<v Speaker 1>to her in that way or form an opinion about

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<v Speaker 1>her or talk to me about her in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>because she isn't a part of that life. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the biggest reasons behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>And my God, if you ever get famous, your mom

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna like tell all the book. She will megan

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<v Speaker 2>you you know how the dad came out with all

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<v Speaker 2>these stupid stories.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be your mom yeah, I'm like waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>it to happen. In the newborn phase, I really.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't say publicity is good, publicity, go for gold, get

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<v Speaker 2>eased to the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I really didn't share that much in the newborn

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<v Speaker 1>phase because I feel like I really loved it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know we hate this term, but it's the only term

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Like I loved that bubble that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am the trimestic key.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really enjoyed that time, and I loved the

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<v Speaker 1>slowness of it. I loved connecting with this little baby

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<v Speaker 1>that I had dreamed about, you know, for nine months.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it was also millennial burnout. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like the first time where I could completely switch off

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<v Speaker 1>from a job. Because every vacation throughout my professional career,

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<v Speaker 1>or most of them, I've had to work on. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was not that having a baby is a vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>but I completely switched off and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't might say a lot about how beautiful your experience

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<v Speaker 2>was as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I really do think it was really indicative

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<v Speaker 1>of that. I mean, because I said I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>watch TVs, I didn't listen to podcasts, like I just

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<v Speaker 1>was looked went on so many walks, Like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I made was really deep nature. That's when I've made

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<v Speaker 1>those really deep connections with my mother's group friends and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I really he gave my man to.

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<v Speaker 2>That rocking in a corner.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm so sorry that that happened. And then

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<v Speaker 1>as I kind of found my rhythm, I started posting

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I would post like baby things I

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<v Speaker 1>loved and I shared, like our solids journey, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was very like, I just would put something over her face.

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<v Speaker 2>On her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just put like a little emoji or something

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<v Speaker 1>on her face or some sonnies or whatever.

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.240
<v Speaker 2>But Charlie never did. So I loved having access to

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.040
<v Speaker 2>me through Charlie's page.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's so rogue on social All.

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<v Speaker 2>The stuff he shares about her is so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>You can share that he's got a private account he

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<v Speaker 1>totally dons he does, which is fine. He can totally

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<v Speaker 1>do it. And then that's kind of evolved and now

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I show glimpses of her and then when I feel

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable or in that moment, I'm happy to like post it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's rare for me really to post her face

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of stuff. And I guess I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm just projecting on you, but you also probably

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<v Speaker 1>at this point don't want to make it too weird

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<v Speaker 1>by just never ever sharing her at all, and then

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then if it's spott and being like

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<v Speaker 1>here she is exactly, and that's that thing that comes

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<v Speaker 1>into it, right. Like the other thing I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>say is like I don't actually police it on other

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<v Speaker 1>people's socials.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, I just have always covered her face well

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<v Speaker 2>before like you started sharing, but simply out of respect.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of people have followed that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rule of funb like no one really posts

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<v Speaker 1>like front on a photos of her or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They have kind of picked up on like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I share, so that's what they do. But I never

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to police it because I just felt like most

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends don't have like a public profile that

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<v Speaker 1>would be bad, like all the people that follow them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Lucy and I would, well, I guess we're two

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<v Speaker 2>of your closest friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But exactly so you guys kind of know that tray

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<v Speaker 1>of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Are close enough to you to know that we just

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be like, yeah, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Rue, here's here's rue. But recently though, due to the

0:21:55.280 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>nature of our jobs, we obviously get approached to do campaigns,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is like where the expectation is that room

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<v Speaker 1>might feature and most people that follow me in contact

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<v Speaker 1>me to do brand stuff understand that I don't show

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<v Speaker 1>heaps of her, right, but I did have one brand

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<v Speaker 1>be like her face has to be in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, like, I'm not letting you dictate

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm going to do, Like if I shoot stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because you want to use my baby to sell something,

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<v Speaker 1>like I shouldn't be. I get what you're saying, but

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<v Speaker 1>you like, if it's a lifestyle, like she's part of

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<v Speaker 1>my life, but not, oh, your baby's face needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be in it. Yeah, I felt icky about that. So

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is is like I'll shoot spawn that she's in,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't do much spawn, so it isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>big of a deal all the time. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>know it is like a baby brand or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>something like Father's Day content and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff for the pod with brands for babies like Bonds, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>grow to like that's organic, almost organic.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I have full control over it, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>fine with like a couple of seconds of her face

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<v Speaker 1>being in it. I feel like I'm okay with that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always show it to Charlie. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>my thing. I'm like, hey, are you okay with this?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, she's going to be a star, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the right answer. I'm not trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>his child star here. But the other thing about it,

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<v Speaker 1>right is.

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.680
<v Speaker 2>It's really lucrative and like so lucrative, and that's what well,

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 2>we started laughing when we thought about this episode because

0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I was laughing at Key, Key will get into it more.

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<v Speaker 2>But to be at the start like no, no, my

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<v Speaker 2>kid's not on social media? What how much you want

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<v Speaker 2>to pay me?

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<v Speaker 1>How much? And I'm like, well, fuck, that's a lot.

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.000
<v Speaker 1>It is so if it's going to help set your

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 1>kid up, it's kind of like very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to get more into that. I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>let you finish.

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<v Speaker 1>So recently, I had an opportunity to work with a

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<v Speaker 1>brand that we use in our everyday lives all the time.

0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>My kids sat product.

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<v Speaker 2>He and Rue beat lennon Kel out of the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Books wonder if.

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<v Speaker 2>There was anyone else up for it, probably probably, but

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<v Speaker 2>we got it.

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<v Speaker 1>We got it. It was a big consideration just because

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<v Speaker 1>of the difference in the content.

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<v Speaker 2>That it was. It was a two day shoot with

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<v Speaker 2>a crew.

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<v Speaker 1>I had them kind of send me everything in advance

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<v Speaker 1>and like really detailed with any kind of shoot of

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<v Speaker 1>that caliber. There's a nurse on set, which I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was really cool, like just that there's someone there who

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<v Speaker 1>is a kid's nurse but also advocates for you, so

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<v Speaker 1>if they start to think, like your kid's a little

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 1>bit tired, they'll be like, hey, guys, we need to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't tell me that part.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so Yeah, it was actually awesome. So we liked

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the idea. We decided to go through with it, and

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought, okay, this, let me just do this as

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<v Speaker 1>like a little test to see.

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<v Speaker 2>How comfortable you felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Comfortable I felt. The other thing was it was being

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<v Speaker 1>used on Instagram, only not on TikTok, and I have

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>different feelings about different platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I explain why, because I, yeah, I had the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same. What a lot of people don't really is

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<v Speaker 2>the way that the algorithm works on TikTok and on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>so on TikTok, the way that people use TikTok is

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<v Speaker 2>they are just on there for you page, and all

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>this different content based on their preferences is targeted towards them.

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 2>So if you like little children, yeah, you just get

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 2>little children on your page. Yeah, Whereas on Instagram the

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>algorithm is way harder, which is so good for parents.

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>It is because it's hard for creeps to It's not hard,

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 2>but it's a lot harder for creeps to access you

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and your content because your contents mainly primarily only going

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>to people that follow you.

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, and with like paid targeted advertising, that is

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>also being structured to target one type of consumer as well,

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>whereas on TikTok it just goes out into it everyone.

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>So so ultimately we said yes, and I enjoyed the process.

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>The content turned out so cute, like, and it went live.

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>All of our friends and family thought it was like

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>so cute. Charlie loved it, But I don't know if

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I would do it again. And it's only because, really,

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>only because I did feel like our husbands.

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Live in very different financial brackets, because I couldn't say no.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my thing was is I didn't enjoy being a

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 1>stage mum, okay, yeah, that's fair. I didn't enjoy that

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>part of it. So the content going live. See, and

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>this is the other things Like when we're shooting content ourselves,

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>we're in charge of like that's what we do all

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the time. But when you're adding another person, like I'm

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 1>almost the middleman to rue in a way, you know,

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>and everyone's so friendly. Like for context, this is like

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a campaign that I.

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Got through people that used to work people that I

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 2>used to.

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Work with, So I knew everyone on set. Everyone was lovely,

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>from the makeup artist to everyone there, the sound guy,

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>so lovely, so understanding. It wasn't about anything that happened

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 1>specifically to them. It was more just like I didn't

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 1>like making her perform yep fair and so I totally

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>get that.

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Actually she like a little monkey.

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just felt like, oh, dance, monkey dance. Yeah,

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't feel like I wanted to have that

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>relationship with her.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is, I'm making lots of jokes about it,

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>but I've always said no to Lenny centric campaigns. Yeah,

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm okay with him being in the background or

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>like a secondary role in some content, but I always

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 2>need to be the primary Yeah, because yeah, I'm exactly,

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to make him do anything. Yeah, and

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it's so weird when I do. Yeah, Like sometimes I'll

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>ask him this sounds so random. But a Lamington ad

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>at the start of.

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>The year, I remember that.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>The behind the scenes footage is actually so funny of

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>me saying, come on, Lenny, come on heavy, walk into

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Nanny's room, give it the Lamington. The thing is that

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 2>everything's very organic because it's like we do go and

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>visit Nanny and they take her flowers and we love

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 2>taking her Lamington's because she used to always make lamington

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 2>So that was where the concept came from. But then

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>me being like, oh, kids, you did such a good job.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 2>I just guess I try to make it fun. And

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 2>then another time I have chat to make them do

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>something is when we did the kinder Easter hunts. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but I just made okay, we're practicing for Easter type

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>thing and I did give them eggs, so they kind

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>of had a lot of fun. But you don't want

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 2>to be like, okay, now do this, no, no, no, no,

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>We've got to do that again.

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>It just yeah, it's how many takes, what do you do?

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>And stuff like that. So I really love working with

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>office works like I work with them a lot, and

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>it's so cool because the campaigns that they do is

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it's all about arts and crafts, so stuff that they're

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>so fun Like, yeah, it ends up being an activity

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that ruined I do the day and I just set

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 1>up the tripod and film, like it's so easy because.

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Then it's you're not asking to do things. You've just

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>filming while you're doing things that you normally would do

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>anyway exactly.

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's the difference and a voice I don't do exactly.

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do like acting stuff with her.

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy to do just like lifestyle, like our

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>life things do anyway, because that's what we do. We

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>always do. Like an activity. We did this like unicorn

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>thing that was actually so sick at instrom Office works

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>O Lincoln in the show notes. It comes deconstructed and

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like pieces of cardboard and it's like a face

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>or like a wing anyway you draw on. It comes

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>with crayons and stickers and you do all the stuff

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and then you assemble it and they put it over

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>themselves and so her little head.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my godness, and her arms.

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Are out and she's just like immunicle and it's actually

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>so fun. That is so cute, but like stuff like that, yeah,

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>is awesome because we do that anyway, and just stuff

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>that they use, like Lenny and I did Lego Jublow

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>last year, which I frosted.

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>So I said to them. I was like, you guys

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>don't even need to pay me, just send to me

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the product and we stoked.

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>It's so expensive though, so I was like, sick, I

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>always get the ten dollar boxes.

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I just get it on special because I've I love

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>playing with duplo myself. And then one final thing on

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the whole spawn aspect of it is to acknowledge that

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing is we're not making money off our

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>children for us. I mean maybe some people are, so

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>what can I both do any money that our kids

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>make on social media? So say they feature heavily in

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a campaign, I put that money in an account for him. Yeah,

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>and you know, one day, if he's like, fuck you, Mump.

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 2>You put me on social media and talked about my

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>problem on your podcast when I was little, I'll be like,

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>here's your therapy paid for for the next twenty years. Hopefully,

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>though I can be like, go to Europe free year,

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>or this is going to buy you your first car

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>or send you to UNI or something. Maybe I'm being

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>ambitious with how much I think that he could earn.

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>The hard thing is, though, which is another consideration of

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>my content, because you're always trying to beat the algorithm.

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>You're always trying to fig out what type of content

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 1>does the best on you.

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And people love kids, people love. That sounds creepy, but people,

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess really just the funny thing is I don't

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>really like parent content.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Well I do, though, this is the thing, like my

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>best content, So I was asked to like pull out,

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like what content does the best on your page? Always

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>rue anything that has ruined.

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>She's so cute, I get it, but I'm just like, well,

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>if I was in your friends though, I wouldn't like

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that sort of That's what I don't get. I think

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not a very internal person. I don't care

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 2>about seeing kids all.

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that's true because you and I

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>both love Mummy slipping House. I like her though not

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>her kids, but I think that's the thing she has,

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>like this really healthy balance because she shares. She's so whole, funny,

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>but literally her entire life, she's a proper logger. Yeah

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>she really is. But there's just glimpses of her kids.

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>And she doesn't monetize them or or she does sometimes

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess, but she doesn't exploit them in any way.

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Nothing feels exploitative and if she's having.

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Like a conversation with them, the camera will just be

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>filming her, so like you know what I mean, like

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>they might be well no, because I was analyzing why

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>do I really like her content? And I like make

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Root sit down after daycare and like if there's new videos,

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, let's watch a mommy slipping house because she

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean she does, she'll watch anything on a device.

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I just really love her content and I

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>was trying to figure out the why, like why does

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>this resonate with me so much? And it's because she

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really monetize it often, if at all. I'm always like,

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>how does she make money? I don't like, what's keeping

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>it going? I think she honestly gets like maybe free

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>trips and stuff like that.

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 2>She does, and also people that aren't in Australia making

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money top.

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Thing and also YouTube because she has puts a lot

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of on you so they've been making a fair bit

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that is kind of I'm like, if I could do that, Like,

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'd want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so time consuming though.

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing. I don't know how she does

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>it and stays such a present mum, because the guilt

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that I feel sometimes if we have to shoot anything

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>about the time it takes away just from us.

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>She probably makes everything look so like chaotic and easy,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 2>but when the kids go to bed, she's probably editing

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<v Speaker 2>for hours. Exactly where's you and I are watching blow Deck?

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry about that shout out to blow Deck.

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>My thing with content as well is that And I

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>think you feel the same way that I don't want

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>it to be my entire stick, even though it does

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>so well. Like Mummy parenting, content is honestly a gold mine.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>People froth it. Yeah, there's so many brands and sponsors

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that want to work with you, like the opportunities blow up.

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>That's why mummy influences are so huge.

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Your audience is continuously growing because women are coming into

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>child bearing years.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>All the time. Think about the last couple of years,

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>like actually the last three years. Two out of the

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 2>three TikTok Creators of the Year it's mum content. Yeah,

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 2>that's such people froth it. But I have this thing

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>whereas I'm like, I'm not just a mom, I'm so interesting,

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>I've got all of these other things. I'm just not

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>willing to dive completely into the mummy. Maybe if I'd

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>more than one kid, I would maybe because I don't

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>have time to do other things.

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess you kind of just submit to it.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I am the same though, like I think for me,

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to be able to get my own achievements

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>off me.

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>And exactly not use my kid to get big.

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>It's hard though, because they're so cute.

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 2>They are so cute, and that's not a dis to

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:32.399
<v Speaker 2>anyone that does. It's just like, like we really love

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>lots of different people's content. It's just like I don't

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>want to use land to sell everything or to be

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>why people want to watch my content.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>And it is I get it. It is a really

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>lucrative industry. But that's I think, because it is so lucrative,

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>it can very easily veer into child exploitation.

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>What a segue?

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 1>What a segue? And it's something that has existed long

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>before the Internet. I think about like Brookshields, Michael Jackson

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Child stars Macaulay Cochlin.

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Any one that wasn't it isn't. How fucked Yeah exactly.

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 2>But with the invention of the Internet, it's.

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Just really added this level of infamy to these really

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>normal people that don't really have the tools to navigate it.

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of them, I would say, for a

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>large amount of time, might not have a business manager

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of guiding them without like how to invest their

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>money for their kids, to set them up for the future.

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>And then there's just really shit parents. But I think

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot about the Wren Eleanor controversy.

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Do I ever one of the most disgusting TikTok accounts

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I have ever seen. It's called Wren Eleanor. If the

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>little girl was doing something innocent, not a lot of sieves.

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>If the little girl was doing something that could be

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>seen as sexualized, it was shocking. So they've got seventeen

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>million followers on tiktop. The handle is they say them,

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's a mum name. It's the mum, but it's

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:57.919
<v Speaker 1>a baby's name.

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>That's weird. That's something I get judging when people have

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 2>like an account under their kid's name, that's weird. I

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 2>think it's weird too. You can't control your kids, It's weird.

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>It's very strange. So in July of this year, the

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>videos all on the TikTok page went private, and this

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>was following a bunch of backlash from TikTokers. There's like

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>this big movement on TikTok from like TikTok mums basically

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>going after TikTok mum creators who are exploiting their.

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Kids, which hands down, I forget what her name is,

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Jacqueline or oh yeah, Jacqueline Wren's mother. Yeah, like, I'm

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>not even a little bit afraid to say, one hundred

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>percent exploiting her child. She knew exactly what she was doing,

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was disgusting, and I genuinely think people like that.

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 2>It actually just makes me so angry. You are literally

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 2>basically one step away from producing child pornography. Yeah, you

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 2>need to go to jail. And that's what it was like,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>back to jail.

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>These TikTok moms who were kind of developing this movement

0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to really protect these children that were being exploited, realized

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that the videos were really inappropriate. And then they also

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>noticed that when you went to go and search for

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Wren's name that search terms like rn eleanor eating pickle

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 1>slash hot dog. These videos exist.

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>That's disgusting. And look at the saves on that as well, exactly.

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And then she would be in really revealing clothing for

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>a toddler. We're ripped jeans, crop tops, and a lot

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of the comments are like this feels.

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Weirdo the child would be in the bath exactly. The

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 2>thing is as well, is that if you don't know,

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 2>like when everyone was a baby, I posted a video

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>of her in the bath with me, I had Swimmerson.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even.

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Think no, but you don't think because and I do

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>want to give a lot of people the benefit of

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the doubt that you don't.

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Think, well, you just don't realize. There are so many creeps.

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing. But what happens is, like I

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 1>genuinely believe when Jacqueline probably started posting about Wren, it

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>was exactly so so innocent. But what happened is that

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 1>she got a following, and then.

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.280
<v Speaker 2>She started to make a lot of money, continues.

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>To host and it just somewhere along the way things

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>just get really dicey.

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 2>And I though that she probably just thought she knew

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 2>exactly what was happening, but she was like out of sight,

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 2>out of mind. It's happening on the internet somewhere. It

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 2>could be happening anyway. People do not understand how much

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 2>money content creators can make on TikTok. She would be

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:23.240
<v Speaker 2>making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month.

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one video that goes viral on TikTok can like

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>really set you up financially, financially, Like it's insane. They've

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>got this kind of only.

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 2>If you're in the Creative fund already, Yeah, and.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>The creative fund, but like it's.

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I would make such an effort on TikTok if we

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 2>had the creative fund. I think it's comucking mint.

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it is coming. When I kind of got

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>into this around eleanor contrast, it gets so bad.

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's terrible. The mum is aware, by the way,

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.400
<v Speaker 2>before anyone thinks that I'm a horrible person for the

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:54.280
<v Speaker 2>things that I've said, there is proof of her daughter

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>on the dark web. Yeah, and she doesn't take the

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 2>videos down or well they are all private now.

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, she's gone completely private now.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Probably because she got threatened to be put in jail.

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.919
<v Speaker 1>When I was looking at this I because so many

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>people on TikTok have done these like explaining the rent

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Alanor controversy. And I found this video from a creator

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>whose mum was really obsessed with video taping her when

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>she was little. And she said, how YouTube or the

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 1>internet existed when she was little, she would have been

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>rent Ellanoryeah and she would be filmed doing really innocent

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>things and at Heado's take. And that's what she said,

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>is like, that's what predators wants. They love the innocence

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 1>of children. It doesn't even have to be anything. It's

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>just doing normal things.

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Are that people are watching your children and doing disgusting things.

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Protect your kids. And she asked the question. She said,

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.760
<v Speaker 1>like after obviously finding the courage to tell her truth

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 1>after thirty years, both of her parents are now deceased,

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>she said, what would ren Eleanor's truth sound like in

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty years?

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 2>You know that is so powerful. If I knew that

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>my mum had pimped me out, knowing that I was

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 2>being exploited, knowing that heads were doing things to my imagery.

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>That's your person who's not protected you.

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't safe. I wasn't protected and that is the

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 2>job of a parent.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly.

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 2>My sister is so innocent, kind of like me. I

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>guess a few years ago and at the start of

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 2>the year, I was away for a weekend and I

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>opened TikTok, and obviously my sister's a contact, so if

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 2>something she posts, it comes up first. And it was

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>of puff eating a banana. You know, you go to

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Woolli's and yeah, yeah, and you get the free banana anyway,

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 2>and it's the cute Like I understood why she pressed it.

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>It's the cutest video. And it was like to the

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>song of like this banana song and he's sitting there

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 2>with these big virtualbly cheeks like eating this banana, so happy.

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm like messaging her, I'm like, take this

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>video down, take this video down. And then I had

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 2>to explain to her, which I then hated having to do,

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>to explain to her why she had to.

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Because then you like ruined that innocence.

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I ruined that innocence of her because she then deleted

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 2>everything from TikTok because she just got so upset by

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the thought like I ruined that innocence for her. I

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 2>had to explain how sick some people are, so I

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.359
<v Speaker 2>had to explain to her how some people's minds were, like,

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I hate that.

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I hate that because there is such sick people in

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 1>the world we even have to think like that.

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's awful, it really is.

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I really hope we've given you some food for thought

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>on some of those extreme cases. But we don't want

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 1>to be all dooming gloom. We might get into some

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>research around how we can navigate sharing our kids responsibly

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and respectfully. I found a really balanced article on NPR

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>titled why you should think twice before posting that cute

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>photo of your kid online, and I'm going to link

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the full article in the show notes. In it, they

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>interviewed this chick. This chick, she's actually a faculty member

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>at Harvard Man. She specializes in children, family law, and technology,

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Leah Plunkett. She's also an author of Sharenthood, Why we

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>should think before we talk about our kids online. So

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>sharenthood kind of came from this term that has popped

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>up in recent years called sharenting, which is obviously blending

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the two words sharing and parenting together, but it was

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 1>coined to describe the practice of parents publicizing a large

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.720
<v Speaker 1>amount of potentially sensitive content about their often underage children

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>on Internet platforms. They even had people who were like sharingters,

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>who were like obsessed with sharing their kids online. And

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like something that people get diagnosed with anyway, that's

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>a whole other rabbit hole.

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 2>We could do like ten episodes it's in a role

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 2>about this and still have something.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Insane, honestly. So, she noted that the data that we

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>share about our kids can actually make them really good

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.879
<v Speaker 1>targets for identity theft. A birthday photo, for example, might

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>reveal a kid's name, age, and date of birth, information

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>that someone could no private iniation, no private information. I agree.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>She then also highlighted the importance of understanding that other

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 1>people don't need to have information about the ins and

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>outs of your child's emotional and personal life. So it

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was a bit of a Q and A and I

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>pulled out the most interesting answers. She was asked how

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>do you model digital consent with your kids? She said,

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the conversation starts with very young kids. Explain what you're doing,

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>why you're doing it, and where the image or video

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>is going. You might say something like, hey, we're having

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a really great meal. We're using a recipe your grandfather

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>sent us, I'm going to take a picture for him.

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Everyone smiled for grandpa. Giving the context, it's the same

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of way that we're told to narrate our kids' life.

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>So they start to understand, because they do understand. That's

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 1>how they're learning language. Right. So if we say to

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 1>them we're taking this photo for grandpa, they send us

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>a recipe, they're gonna say, grandpa photo. I like Grandpa,

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with this photo. She also said, you could

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>ask your kid at a pretty young age, are you

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 1>okay with me taking a photo? Anyone not feeling up

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 1>for it?

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what I do with lend Yeah exactly, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>not what sneakly take them of him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Have the bag said, I thought it was really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to ask someone like this this question. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you avoid oversharing in the digital realm? And she said,

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<v Speaker 1>since I started researching this topic, I adjusted my own

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>personal compass to be very minimalist. She never really posts

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<v Speaker 1>the kids on social media if she does really similar

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<v Speaker 1>to u Kel, she doesn't post anything that would identify them,

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't use full names, doesn't celebrate their birthday on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't show them standing in front of their school

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the one thing that I just can't deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>How sorry, but stupid. Some people are huge public stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not realized.

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<v Speaker 2>No, if you're a public figure, it's your job to know.

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<v Speaker 2>They literally do host their child in their school uniform

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<v Speaker 2>with like the proper logo and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You freak well?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they know their name, they know they know

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<v Speaker 1>what school they go to, say, know it subway, But

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<v Speaker 1>they also know what they like, what they dislike. This

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<v Speaker 1>is why, like all so weird little things that you

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<v Speaker 1>put together can really help someone to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>build basically a profile on your kid. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess all the informa I've put out there though,

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<v Speaker 2>is just like to scare anyone off taking Lenny because

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<v Speaker 2>they're like that child hates everything and he likes to

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<v Speaker 2>have a big complaint. He really they would give him

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<v Speaker 2>back within an hour, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>God though, Like that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just raped. She would rave with them for days,

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<v Speaker 2>he would, and then she'd be like, oh mom, dad

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about them?

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares about them? What questions should we as parents

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<v Speaker 1>ask ourselves before we hit post. Are you posting a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of your child in any state of undress? If

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<v Speaker 1>you are, please don't post it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't understand why people put like smiley

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<v Speaker 2>face emojis over little kids nipples, Like, why aren't they

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<v Speaker 2>just nipples?

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram makes you take the content down if there's any.

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<v Speaker 2>Nipples, but they don't with men.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is why everyone's always like free the nipple.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so women and kids can't get their nipples out

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<v Speaker 2>only men.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you sharing your child's location for name of data birth?

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<v Speaker 1>If you are, think about whether that level of detail

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<v Speaker 1>is necessary for your post. This one I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really good. If your parents shared a similar post about

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<v Speaker 1>you at this age, how would you have felt about it.

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<v Speaker 1>If the answer is that it would have really bothered you,

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<v Speaker 1>take another minute to think about what you need from

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<v Speaker 1>this post. So here's the bit that I really liked.

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<v Speaker 1>What advice do you have for parents who often share

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<v Speaker 1>photos and videos of their children and their lives on

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>social media? Is it too late for them? She was

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<v Speaker 1>so normal and nice in this response. I really appreciated it.

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:24.799
<v Speaker 1>I had the same reaction when I started researching all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, And I'm here to tell you take a

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 1>deep breath, don't panic. If you want to change, go

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<v Speaker 1>back over your social media posts and take down what

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not feeling so sure about. Then makes private. Please

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<v Speaker 1>don't be hard on yourselves. Since the dawn of time,

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<v Speaker 1>parents have been making the best choices they can at

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<v Speaker 1>any given moment and then later being like, maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that differently going forward. I think that the good

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>thing about having this conversation is that it's just another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we all need to kind of think about

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<v Speaker 1>once in a while, have a conversation about maybe look

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<v Speaker 1>at our socials and see how much we're posting. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even see on stories, who's looking at your stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Of your kids? Many things that you if you post

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<v Speaker 2>something of your kid, make sure it doesn't have heaps

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<v Speaker 2>of saves, because why would someone save that? Exactly weird.

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Also, there is that like close friends option, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I think is such a good option.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I use that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I use that a lot whenever I post it because

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<v Speaker 1>I use it for.

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<v Speaker 2>Really basically nudes of me.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.879
<v Speaker 1>But that is a really good feature too, Like if

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.320
<v Speaker 1>you you know someone stuff that you're not as worried

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 1>about sharing, yeah, you can share it to people that

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you know it's going to see it. Because I even

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 1>think about, like all the people on Facebook that I know,

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know hardly any of them because it's I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on that fucking platform for over a decade now.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think sometimes you forget, even though you might

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>only have like a smallish following or you're not a

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 1>public figure, you forget who might follow you. So I

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 1>think it's just good to do like a little wreki

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.359
<v Speaker 1>of who's watching your stuff. And then if you're like, oh,

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it might be like you can always mute your stories

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>from other people as well. That's another thing that you

0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.080
<v Speaker 1>can do to kind of curate who is able to

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>have access to your kid online.

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I think that's such good advice and I really like

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:09.799
<v Speaker 2>that sort of balanced take on it because I do

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 2>hate the judginess that we see online and it's always

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>about women. Of course. Yeah, it's very victim blame me

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 2>because it's like, at the end of.

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 1>The day, let's get cranky at the pedos, Yeah, not

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the mums who mostly are just sharing a really benign

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 1>photo of their kid that they don't they're not thinking

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, Or let's get cranky at the social

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 1>media platforms who don't have adequate protection in place exactly, Like,

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>let's get crank at the right people instead of wasting

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>so much energy ranting about children being posted online.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I just think people need to use their brain

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<v Speaker 2>as we've sort of gone through, like don't share things

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 2>like your kids' school or videos of them in the bath.

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 2>But we also just can't always live in fear because

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 2>of some fuckers. And it's also just really misogynistic. Like

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.760
<v Speaker 2>if there was a dad fluencer and he shares videos

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and photos of his kids, everyone would be like, it's

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 2>such a good d Dad of the year over here.

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But if a mum does the same thing, she's exploding them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's definitely gendered for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, I just think this is a conversation that

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>we will probably continue to have and hopefully it's given

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:20.959
<v Speaker 2>everyone listening at home a little bit of food for thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Recommendations for the week, we're going to talk about mummies,

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<v Speaker 2>Flip and house.

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<v Speaker 1>We just love her so much. I really want to

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>get her on.

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to get We've never asked, we should ask.

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>But she would do it.

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 2>My hope is I want to go out for a

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 2>drink with her.

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to think we should do a little

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>SSR trip if you will or were gonna go and

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:43.479
<v Speaker 1>meet her.

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Just go and meet it. We love her so much.

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Like she doesn't perform, She genuinely just seems like a

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>really fun chick and a good mum. Yeah, I slid

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 2>into a dams. I told you this before.

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:54.200
<v Speaker 1>What did you say?

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I love you so much. I think you're so great.

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 2>You made me laugh out loud, Like I just send

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.760
<v Speaker 2>a nice message to say how much I love to She's.

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>The only vlogger that I've ever watched.

0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>She's great. You're even more obsessed with her than me.

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 2>You watch everything.

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I like it's annoying because I'm like, put more videos out,

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:11.800
<v Speaker 1>but like to spend time.

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.359
<v Speaker 2>With your kids. Yeah. Sometimes I go to watch something

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and be like key reseals is like, dear Lord, she

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 2>only just posted it and keys at home and notifications. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>dear Lord. All right, Well that's all the time we

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<v Speaker 2>have for today.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll link her profile in our show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Share the pod on your socials please and let us

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<v Speaker 2>know what you think and what you would like to

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<v Speaker 2>hear about this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to tag us on socials at Ky Reese,

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<v Speaker 1>at Kelly Underscore, M Karen and at EESSR dot PD.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was produced by.

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<v Speaker 1>Us your Lovely host Key Resells and Kelly Mkaren, with

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<v Speaker 1>audio production by the Lovely Madeline Joannu. Will be in

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<v Speaker 1>your ears next week. She is bye.