WEBVTT - Martha Stewart ‘Accidentally’ Started Meghan Markle Drama & The Heated Rivalry Casting That Has Divided Fans 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.880 From MoMA Mia. 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.440 Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.920 Lowa Brodnick and I'm Tina Burth. And if you said 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.760 a giddiness to at least the top part of the 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.320 pond is because we haven't seen each other in eleven days. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.200 Wow, almost our longest break ever. I know, you know 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.840 we had a full month earlier this day. So we 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.440 had a crossover where you went away and I went away. Yeah, 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:19.640 this is what the people want to hear. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.120 But yes, yes, I had been away for away last 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.079 week off the spill for real to be back. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:27.200 Every time I saw something. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:28.680 Pop up, I was like, oh, I want to be 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.080 on the pod, but I was living my Hannah Montana life. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.879 We're here, I'm you. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.520 Know, a celebrity podcast, so who only goes to events 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.680 and drinks champagne and interview celebrities and my other life 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.880 in suburban Queensland. I am in full time Auntie, Yes, 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.040 which is what I was doing last week. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.440 But thrill to be back. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.760 Lots to say so coming up on the show today, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.200 we are going to be discussing the disturbing pros Hilton 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.240 video that was released a couple of days ago. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.200 The incident, what followed, the coverage, and just a bit 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.040 about for people who are not even aware of who 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.080 pros Hilton is just the way he has kind of 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.000 like shaped culture for better or for worse, mostly for worse, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:04.479 as he. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.039 Has admitted to yes over the years. But it has 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.440 become this huge kind of cultural conversation about how we 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.120 treat someone going through such a kind of public incident 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.760 as he has. So we're going to get into that, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.560 plus in a less important but we know you guys 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.280 want to hear about this the Martha Stuart verse Megan 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.200 Markle feud, which isn't even a feud, but I'll get 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.080 into how this is blown up to look like a 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.399 feud and how this happens to Martha all the time 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.080 with other famous celebrities who have cooking shows i e. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.640 Or cooking you know ventures, i e. Blakel Lively and 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.160 Gwyn with Paltrow, even Garten to Twine. Yay, no bad, 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.920 that's real beef. That's not that's not made up beef. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.920 That's a real fight. But first, you have some some 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.800 sexy news for us. I hope I need to hear 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.760 some sexy news. I have some sexy news at we 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.919 should make it a segment. It's like Tina Sexy Teena's 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.720 Sexy News. Sexy Corner sounds even better. That sounds actually, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.440 I don't like that at all. I take it back, Iris. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.000 That sounds like we might get a call from HR 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.520 about what we've done to the studio. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.360 Yeah, something bad anyway. Heated Rivalry Season two we have 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.200 a huge announcement that came over the weekend. So they 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.440 have officially started production in Canada. Connis Story and Hudson 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.919 Williams have been pictured back on set. We've got more details. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.040 We know that Francois Oh No, we'll be back as 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.760 Scott and so we'll cap. So we know that we 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.800 know our four divas are going to be back. And 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.200 for those who've forgotten or who never knew he did, 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:31.639 Rivalry huge deal sensation and based on Rachel Reid's series 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.600 of novels, and each novel kind of focuses on a 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.040 different couple, sort of like the Off Campus book series, 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.560 like the Bridgeton book series, but Heated Rivalry season one 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.000 chose to focus on the second book, which was Ilia 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.639 Rosanov and Shane Hollander, and that worked out super well. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.880 And that worked out real well, and that was the 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.119 reason that Kip and Scott were so involved and got 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.000 so much screen time and kind of got their own 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.000 episode and had that amazing moment in episode five. I 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.760 have the greatest episodes of television busiest scene of twenty 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.160 five five, Yeah, buzziest in twenty twenty five, but also 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.080 wanted to just the best standalone episodes of TV for 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.440 at least the last ten years. I feel very safe 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.960 saying that I support that. Yeah, I watch it all 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.600 the time. I wanted to feel alive. 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:13.880 So that's why they got such a big part in 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.840 that season is their book was the first book, and 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.160 then Elier and Shane with a second book. But what 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.920 we already know is that season two of the show 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.760 is still going to keep Ilier and Shane as the 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.520 main characters. So often with these shows like an off 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.040 Campus or a Bridgeton, or like where there's a standalone, 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.360 interconnected book series, each season we'll focus on a new 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.480 kind of lead couple. But Jacob Teerney, the creator of 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.720 the TV series, has said that we're going to keep 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.720 the focus on Ilia and Shane. Thank God. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.280 I think that's because the show was so good about 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.800 their relationship, and it didn't feel like it felt different 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.520 to Off Campus, where like the central relationship and that 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.480 felt like it had a really strong beginning, middle, and end, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.320 and then you're so ready to kind of move on 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.279 to focusing on a new couple while keeping that other couple. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:56.720 In the background. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.800 Ye, whereas with Shane and Ilia, it ended on such 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.560 a kind of moment of like, oh my god, I 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.280 just need to know where this couple is going. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.720 Yeah, and Shane and Ilia are still like really prominent 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.040 characters in all the other books. They still like their 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.960 storyline does continue just alongside all of these other couples, 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.280 but instead they'll still be our front and center duo, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.960 and we're going to meet some new people along the way. Yes. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.000 So the second season is going to focus on two books, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.039 The Long Game and role Model. So over the weekend 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.320 it was announced that the two characters from role Model 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.520 have been cast. They're joining the show. So Justice Smith 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.440 and Charlie Gillespie have been cast in season two and 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.080 they are playing Harris Drover and Troy Barrett, respectively. So 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.440 that's the couple from role Model, Justice Smith. People might 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.400 recognize from Dungeons and Dragons, Jurassic world. I saw the 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.840 TV glow and Charlie has been in Julie and the Phantoms. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.560 Did you watch that? No? But yeah, it was like 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.039 this Netflix series that just popped absolutely off. And he's 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.160 also got a really funny role in One Night Only, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.279 which comes out this week. Yes, in Callum Turner's movie. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.800 So they're both. It's kind of more prominent than the 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.240 guys were in season one. Yes, and obviously they're gonna 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.400 they're gonna blow up now in a completely different way, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.640 in a completely in a completely different way. So in 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.720 the book, just quickly, it is about Troy Barrett, who 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.320 is a very closeted hockey player and he's on Ilia 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.120 Rosanov's team. But by the time we get to their book, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.480 this thing has happened, where like Ilia has moved to 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.599 a shitty team in Ottawa just so he can be 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.880 closer to Shane. We don't know how it's going to play, 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:26.679 if it's going to be the same, hopefully be closer 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.320 to Shane. I have books. Yeah, I'm waiting for the show. Yeah, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.080 and we don't know if that's going to happen or not, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.520 you know, like we'll see. But the point is Troy 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.760 is like an Illi a teammate, and Troy ends up 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.839 on this shitty team as well because of an incident 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.520 with his own team. And he's a deeply closeted player 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.440 who's kind of like his image is in need of 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.560 a rehab, even though his image is in need of 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.880 a rehab because he calls out another player for sexual 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.640 assault and somehow he's the one in trouble anyway. Yeah, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.239 something to think about, some NHL something to think about. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.160 But so you're gonna love this so much. Troy ends 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.160 up on the Ottawa team. His fame needs to be rebuilt, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.479 his identity all of so enter Harris, who is like 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.719 a beautiful football of sunshine and love and he's the 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.320 social media manager. Oh I do love that. I love 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.880 that a lot. Yeah, I knew you'd love that. And 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.120 you know, the creators have said, like Rachel Reid gave 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.840 us two beautifully layered characters in Harris and Troy, who 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.160 you can't help but root for. And they said, from 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.840 the start of the casting process, we knew we were 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.440 looking for actors who could create something truly special and 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.960 bring that same depth and heart to the screen. So 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.279 they said, they immediately connected and they had the core 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:28.480 of these characters. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.719 I was gonna say, what are people thinking about this casting? 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.080 Because what I know about the heated rivalry fandom, I'm 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.320 sure everyone was very chill about this, very calm. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.280 Oh yeah, they didn't say anything. They were like, well, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.440 wait till the show comes out. No, I would say 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.520 a lot of fans were very excited. Obviously, there was 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.279 like an overwhelming like thrill and people Charlie's very active 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.359 on TikTok, which I think is obviously. The difference this 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.080 time around is the show is so huge already and 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.440 so the influx on these actors counts and everything has 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.240 been really huge, whereas last time it was like, yes, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.279 there was the built in BookTok fan base, but the 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.200 rest of the world wasn't watching, and now everyone is, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.560 so there's been a lot of excitement. Charlie's definitely gotten 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.600 more of the positive side of the fandom reaction, and 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.240 then Justice has not. Unfortunately, one of the reasons that 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.600 people are upset is that they think the character of 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.960 Harris should have been played by a plus size actor 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.640 or a bigger actor, because in the book the character 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.200 is described in a few different terms, but those are stocky, 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.120 soft broad and in one part a little pudgy, and 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.760 he's a character who's sort of as the social media manager. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.520 I think there's like a scene where he's like comparing 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.640 himself to you know, all the men around him and 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:39.080 everything like that, and like physically and beautifully doesn't think 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.640 he's as amazing as them. But it's not a case 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.760 of him being like super insecure about his weight or 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.680 that being a huge thing. It's more just that he's 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.400 described in these terms. So a lot of fans wanted 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.240 to see a plus size actor in the role, and 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.000 Justin Smith is not a plus size actor. There's been 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.440 a lot of vitriol directed his way about the fact 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.320 that he was cast. Oh, I hate that, and I 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.760 do hate that. I think you can be upset about 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.120 some like a representation that you wanted to see and 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.680 that you feel like you were hopeful to see on 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.320 your screen and you didn't get. You can be upset 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.120 about that, But I don't think he deserves to bear 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.200 the brunt of the criticism. Yeah, exactly. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.400 I think attacking the actor is never the way to 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.240 go unless they're like it's a huge kind of like 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.640 a movie star and they've taken on a role that 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.240 they shouldn't have played because it's you know, like inappropriately, yeah, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.520 inappropriate or something like that, and then like they're really 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:28.600 in control of the situation. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.080 You can kind of hold them to account. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.079 But I think an actor taking a job on like 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.559 a hip show and it just being different to the 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.840 book is on them, it's on the show creators. That 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.319 does really make me sad, though, because that would have 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.520 been such a groundbreaking, like it shouldn't be ground ranking, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.280 but it would have been iconic moment. It would have 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.640 been this incredible representation and so important for like one 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.720 of the biggest shows in the world to have sized 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.680 inclusivity as part of the show. When we're seeing that 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.920 disappearing from not that it was ever really there, but 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.000 there was like a thought that we were moving towards 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.720 a little bit, and now like it's just completely vanished 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:08.480 from TV shows, movies, magazines, mostly catwalks. Magazine covers every 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.880 kind of representation you can think of. Yeah, and I 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.920 just thought that would have been really lovely and also 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.960 just like that seems like a really important plot point 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.480 from the book about how their relationship develops and how 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:20.480 that character thinks. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.520 Well, even the fans are divided though on that front, right, So, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.439 I think I completely agree with you. It would be 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.440 great to see a bigger body on screen playing a 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:32.120 sexy character, a character who's romantically involved and more importantly 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.160 than just like representation, also representation without it being the 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.240 sole focus exactly. It's not just the only insecure Like 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.520 he has insecurities in the book. He has confidence issues 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.360 in the book, and even like fans of the book 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.640 are arguing in comment sections at the moment about whether 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.480 or not he's insecure about his body, with a lot 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.920 saying no, he's not. His weight's never a concern for him. Yeah, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.120 And that would have been a great thing to see 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.240 on screen, you know, a bigger body in sexy scenes. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:54.960 Without it being like, oh but I'm insecure, without it 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.440 being like this kind of this whole like I'm making overcame, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:58.360 I'm making. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.720 A state man. Like that's all I want to see 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.720 is just all different bodies, ages, like every different spectrum 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.160 on screen at like it not always being yeah, the 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.880 central point of the story. One of my favorite comments 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.840 that I saw was someone who said, as a pudge, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.440 I'm sad he's not a pudg. Yeah, It's like and 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.880 I feel that I get it. Rachel Reid has put 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.800 up a statement basically saying, thinking about all the people 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.160 last summer who told me casting for Ilier and Shame 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.120 was wrong and bad, with like a photo of herself 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.080 kind of side eyeing. Yeah, exactly. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.199 There was so much backlash from like people who read 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.120 the books about those characters not being right and people 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.720 like this is never going to work, It's not going 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.120 to translate to TV. And then it became this kind 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.280 of like cultural movement across the world, this TV show. Yeah, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.880 were so wrapped up in it. Yeah, and they became superstars. Yeah, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.959 And like again, you can be disappointed. You wanted to see, 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:46.600 you know, an actor who was in a bigger body. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.320 Hopefully that's something we get to see down the line. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.800 In Heeded Rivalry, It's totally fair to criticize the casting, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.560 just criticize the actor. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.439 In my opinion, yes, same. I think he is very 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.480 excited and should do an amazing job. And he did 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.760 share a statement about how moved hears by the support 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.480 from the fans to have welcomed him, and this is 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.280 why I feel for him. Like already he's had to 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.800 put out a statement that addresses the backlash and it's 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.559 like it just was announced. It feels a bit like 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.079 how Francois has had to constantly deal with a lot 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.880 of hate from the heated rivalry fans. But he said 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.400 thank you to the fans who already feel a responsibility 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.240 to protect me. I am honored to play a character 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.319 you all care about deeply, and I promise I will 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.559 take good care of him if you give me the chance. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.360 Oh okay, let's give that poor boy. Let's give Justice 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:25.679 a chance. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.880 He's an excellent actor and I am very excited to 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.920 see the new season. So quite a disturbing news story 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.840 has been doing the rounds the last couple of days. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.400 And it all started when Perez Hilton, who is a 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:43.320 really well known ies some media personality blogger, has been around. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:44.160 Since two thousand and four. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.560 I think I think he launched his site Perez Hilton 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.760 like officially in two thousand and five. It was posting 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.000 in two thousand and four. And if you are on 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.760 the Internet back in those days and the fledgling Internet 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.800 taboid days, interested in like celebrity gossip or news, even 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.880 in like the smallest then pros, Hilton was a big 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.120 part of your day, checking it, reading the stories, looking 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.240 at the photos horrendous as some of them were, and 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.679 then he went on to become a celebrity in his 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.040 own right off the back. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.560 Of that, and especially because it was at a point where, yes, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.920 you could get you know, a lot of magazines were 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.760 talking about the same topics or publishing similar pictures, But 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.080 it was the speed of proz Hilton that I think 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.079 made it take off so much, because not to get 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.160 to a magazine verst digital, but I do think a 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.760 lot of magazines were still resisting their online presence. Oh 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.560 and so he swooped in and took over in a 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.920 way what those websites could have been for a period 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.640 of time. And it's so crazy because we were teenagers 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.120 at the time, so I'm not sure what your prose 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.880 Hilton thing was like, but I'm like, you could just 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.000 go into like our family computer in the living room 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.920 and like log onto prose Hilton and just see all 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.760 this even crazy things that magazines wouldn't print about celebrities 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.600 with like gossip, and then they would like fire back 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.400 at him, and it was a whole kind of It 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.400 was a real moment in the digital age, and like 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.360 it really went on to shape how online out that 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.160 lets and tabloids like spoke about celebrities and how like 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.320 hunting them became a bit of a sport, and like 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.200 how we talked about them and who could have the 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.079 most scandalous thing to say? And yeah, I never really 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.599 read it because I didn't have that much access to 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.080 the family computer at the time. That she that's so 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.400 good parenting. But I do remember the discourse surrounding it 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.600 more so than anything like and as I became more 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.240 of a teenagers, he got more and more and more controversial. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.080 That's when I started to know more about it. Oh, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.280 absolutely story. And he's still been in the mix so much. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.920 I mean obviously, like the like internet and online culture 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.040 has changed so much. There's so many different kind of 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.199 outlets that he's been diluted. So I don't think he 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.760 had like, especially in the last years, prose Hilton has 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:39.880 the kind of power than he used to have. But 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.760 he's still especially everywhere, especially on TikTok and platforms like that, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.440 which is almost more immediate than his blog was. Was 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.160 still covering a lot of celebrity news, celebrity beefs, all 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.600 that sort of stuff. Yeah, I mean getting in celebrity beefs. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.920 So last week a very disturbing video was posted to 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.920 prose Hilton's TikTok account where and I'm going to get 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.920 into the video too much because I don't think we 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.880 need to sort of get into the details of it. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.120 It wasn't really upsetting. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.800 Also, the hard thing about it was that when TikTok 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.160 was commented that it was this live stream was happening 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.440 there were Their official statement was there were a few 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.800 glitches with the team, like trying to get it down, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.080 getting it taken down. But the thing is with anything 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.840 on the internet, like even though they took it down 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.720 and they took down pres Hilton's account, obviously people recorded 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.760 it and cut it up into snippets and post it everywhere. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.600 And so that means that so many people I know 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.560 have just been like doing the good old TikTok Instagram 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.720 scroll looking at you know, cooking videos and stuff, and 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.720 all of a sudden, this pres Hilton video pops up, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.280 and so you kind of can't hide from it. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.480 I think a lot of people unwillingly obviously had this 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.520 content served up to them. At the moment that I 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.160 saw his name treading on Twitter, and like red what 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.960 it had happened. I just didn't look at social media 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.120 if the rest of the day because I was like, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:54.040 I don't I know it's. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.200 Going to come up, and I don't want to. Yeah, 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.080 you don't want to see it. So in the video 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:02.160 it's prose Hilton seemingly covered in blood and exhibiting signs 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.360 of distress, holding a sharp object. Very disturbing. As soon 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.160 as they saw that, people started calling. So he lives 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.440 in Miami, he has relocated. He used to live in 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.040 La He relocated there with his three children to be 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:20.200 closer to family, and apparently this is up on his website. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.200 His family put up a statement saying just before the 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.880 live stream incident happened, Perez's three children, his niece, and 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.120 his sister wall in the home and it became What 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.680 the family wrote was when it became clear that Pees 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.960 was experiencing a severe mental health crisis and harming himself, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.200 they immediately fled to protect the children from witnessing any 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.440 further trauma. After that, the Miami Sheriff's Office was contacted 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.080 and they have confirmed that they received multiple calls regarding 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.200 the live streaming acts of sealth harm, sent people over 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.640 and he's been taken into hospital care and a facility 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.320 where his family put out a statement saying that he's 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.760 going to require surgery. They also are really clear he 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.880 has communicating because I think a few outlets were sort 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.200 of saying like they had spoken to him. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:04.040 They haven't. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.640 They said the children are in care. They've asked people 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.920 to stop camping outside of his house trying to get 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.040 photos of his children, and it's become this medius media friend. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.680 Yeah. Yeah, So they said that any statements being given 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.640 to the media are not true, and they asked for privacy, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.200 particularly for his children. So as part of their statement, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.600 they said, there is absolutely no reason for members of 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.440 the media or the public to remain outside the family home. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.840 We respectfully ask you to stop following family and cease 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.920 photographing Perez's children. We also ask photo agencies not to purchase, publish, 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.280 or distribute any photographs of the children that may have 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.160 been taken. And they highlighted that for more than a decade, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.920 Perez Hilton has maintained a no Kid's policy of not 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.200 publishing photos of children unless they are attending a public 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.200 event or a family has chosen to make them public. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.520 So they made it a point to specifically mention his 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.720 own policy on his site and asked people to stop 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.280 photographing his children at this time and actually being the 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.920 conversation and this kind of like push pull over Perez Hilton, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.119 and because he's a public figure and has been for 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.040 so long, there's a lot of really intense conversation of 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.480 what can be shared, what can be said since this 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.639 story surfaced and has been like such a big story 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.480 in the media for the last couple of days. So 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.960 if anyone who's not across Perez Hilton, which is so 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.879 crazy because I don't really remember a time before for 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.120 I like, Perez Hilton for me has just always been 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.879 this huge figure for better or for worse, in celebrity culture. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.520 His real name is Mario Levandina, but obviously Perez Hilton 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.040 is a play on Paris Hilton, who, especially when his 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.560 blog first launched back in two thousand and five, was 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:44.919 the like girl of the moment, TV shows, music books, party, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.399 clothing lines, cover of every magazine. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.639 Like Paris Hilton was that the biggest star in the world. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.800 Isn't that crazy? No, it's all crazy. She's still pretty 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.840 famous now, but yeah, yeah, again, just it was that 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.600 perfect kind of storm of tabloid culture. Girls and pres 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.639 Hilton blog became, as we were saying, such an online 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:07.520 sensation because he pushed the envelope in such an extreme way. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.240 And I think a lot of people I remember being 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.920 like like as like a teen, like like horrified looking 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.000 at it, but also couldn't believe that was being stuff 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.719 like that was being said. So you're almost looking at 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.919 it in a horrified fascination because up until then I 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.800 had only ever seen like celebrity coverage that was very 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.439 much like kind of like bowing at the altar of celebrity. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.240 Like they're so beautiful. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.919 Yes, yeah, they're so famous, They're so perfect, especially like 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.760 these you know, young women and stuff. And then all 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.360 of a sudden, there was this outlet that was posting 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.000 these crazy tabloid photos that you could see go up 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.120 in real time, and was posting these scandals at other places, 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.920 all these allegations that other places wouldn't run or ran 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.199 like weeks later because they were magazines. And also he 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.840 had a very like distinct voice, and it was really crude, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.119 like you know, he like draw penises over people's faces 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.280 and stuff like that was really crude. But he was 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.400 just in the right moment of the Internet taking off 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.160 to build this huge following. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.560 And I mean, I'm not comparing this, like you just said, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.760 there's a lot of crudeness in some headlines and things 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.560 like that that were done that cross lines, for sure, 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.879 But I would almost compare it to the way that 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.520 jumoir has risen now with inst Oh yeah, yeah, It's 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.320 not the same in terms of the kinds of content 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.959 they're producing like like for like, but it is still 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.600 what jumoir is putting up is very invasive, very intense 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:30.320 content that is often like people stalking celebrities and taking 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.080 pictures and sending them to jumoir or Jumoir reporting like 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.199 fake information all of the time, and people taking it 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.160 as fact. The same sort of thing happened with Perez Hilton, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.200 where it did have this like online frenzy of I guess, 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.720 like you said more eloquently, more eloquently than I could of, 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.119 like people suddenly having access to celebs in a way 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:49.840 they've never had it before. Absolutely, like you weren't just 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.199 waiting for these glossy red carpet photos. It's like the 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.040 same way you're right as people send like photos of 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.720 like a celeb sitting at a restaurant into doumoin now 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.359 and we see that it was the same thing, like 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.760 people would say and tips to pres Hilton, they would 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.240 send photos and videos, and then celebrities started really knowing 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.840 who he was, yes and calling him out. So then 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.240 he would be having these big public back and forth 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.480 with these huge celebrities, which only added to his fame. 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.560 And one of the things interesting is like looking into 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.000 this obviously in light of everything that's happened, and kind 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.080 of being reminded of how he all started. He was 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.440 working from a cafe when he first launched the blog, 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.800 and celebrities used to go to the cafe to give 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.760 him tips. Yeah, he's spoken about that. There's a great 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.320 BBC profile on like him and his memoir that he 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.399 released I think twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, But 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.200 celebs like Lindsay Lohan used to tell him things about 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.480 themselves in order to get published. He was friends with 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.280 Lady Gaga and she was on the rise. He after 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.399 having a pretty problematic history with Miley Cyrus, also like 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.639 hung out with her backstage at fashion shows, like he 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.720 was asking the awards that they were all at. He 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.760 was dming all of the celebrities, not that that excuses 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.639 anything by any means, but it was a very I 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.399 think weird and toxic relationship that a lot of stars 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.159 had with him and that he had with them, and 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.679 like he almost I guess he held all the power 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.920 in a lot of ways, yeah, of what he could 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.480 and couldn't publish about someone or how you yeah someone. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.399 And also I think there was like kind of like again, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.760 people who had that tabloid frenzy around them became stars 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.480 like a Nicole rich to you or something like that, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.679 and then so it was kind of seen as like 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.159 almost like a cachet or like a dangerous thing for 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.000 these women to hang out with this man who had 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.040 become a huge superstar, despite the fact that you could 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:29.720 click onto his website the next day and they could 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.000 also be terrible things about them. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.119 Yeah, And I mean he's apologized. He's apologized for a 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:35.639 lot of things since, but one of the things he 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.119 apologized for was coming up with cruel nicknames for people. 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.280 And he started having nicknames for Christina Aguilera when Lady 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.560 Gaga was coming up, because he was trying to create 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.040 a narrative that like Christina Aguilera was done, like she 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.320 was finished and Lady Gaga was the cool new pop girl. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.560 And then he and Lady Gaga had a falling out 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.960 at some point and she alleged that she was a 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.600 target of bullying and stalking by Perez. There were so 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.320 many major things that he obviously did that caused a 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.040 lot of headline, but I think one of the biggest 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:02.919 things was the way he spoke about and treated Britney 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.159 Spears in particular. Yes, yes, so that was one of 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.320 his main targets. And in twenty twenty one he like 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.679 apologized when that Framing Britney Spears documentary came out, and 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.240 he said it I didn't lead with empathy and compassion, 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.960 and thankfully it seems like most people now are understanding 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.840 the severity of her situation. And I absolutely apologize and 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.119 carry deep shame and regret because he was. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:23.879 I mean, the stuff he would write about Britney, especially 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.119 when she was going through her like very public mental 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:30.520 health breakdown, was calling her a terrible mother, calling her dangerous, 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.280 calling her all these terrible things like yeah, posting his 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.760 awful photos of her. But also it sounds outrageous now, 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:38.480 but it's so weird to look back and think at 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.439 the time it didn't feel outrageous because also that's what 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.159 everyone was saying about excusing him in any way, but 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.240 like it sounds crazy now, Yeah, but that everyone would 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:49.160 read his site and be. 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.280 Like, yeah, she is a terrible mother, she is crazy. Yeah, 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.600 it was part of like this really vitriolic moment and 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.919 like me Lacunas actually and he still goes up against 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.320 me Lacunas on this topic. But she's like he basically 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.800 invented the scept of trolling and that she thinks it 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.640 didn't really exist or didn't experience it in Hollywood until 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.520 he came along. Yeah, which I think is interesting. Is interesting, 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.120 isn't it, because you know, a lot of the things 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.760 he's accused of doing, Like so, following the tragic death 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.760 of Heath Ledger, he made t shirts saying it should 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.600 have been Brittany. Yeah, he's that horrifying stuff. And I 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.439 remember people just thinking that was like the funniest thing ever. Yeah, 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.880 And people, you know, were slut shaming young women in Hollywood, 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.440 like Miley Cyrus and Taylor Mumson who both spoken about 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.800 having upskirt photos taken of them and then published on 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.959 his website. When they were miners. He was included in 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.240 Colin Farrell's two thousand and five sex tape lawsuit after 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.879 allegedly posting the link to Colin Farrell's sex tape on 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.080 his website. He was sued by Universal City Studios for 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.600 posting naked photos of Jennifer Aniston taken from unreleased footage 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.399 from the set of The Breakup. So there were a 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.560 lot of things obviously that he was accused of doing. 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.439 And he and you know, Iland Baldwin was another I 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:57.359 think young star or like young child of stars, this 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.960 daughter of Alec Baldwin, who I guess felt very victi 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.000 by what he did to her and how he spoke 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.439 about her in the press. 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.720 Yeah, he would, Yeah, his coverage of Ireland Baldwin, who 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.560 really grew. I mean, she's she's out of the spotlight 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:09.879 now she does publicly post. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:10.240 Yeah. 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.360 But she was the daughter of Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.960 and obviously they're this huge like celebrity, old school Hollywood 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.000 power couple. Island was always at events with them and things, 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.119 and he would write terrible things about her, that she 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.359 was ugly, that she was fat, she was ChIL would yeah, 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.320 and she was like a tiny child, and he did 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.440 that all through her teen years, Like he would post 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.399 pat photos of her and just point out all the 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.920 things that were wrong with her body. If other children 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.600 like he didn't they were pretty like the offspring of celebrities, 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.080 he would like kind of like compare them to Island Baldwin, 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.480 like this huge campaign against this like basically basically like 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.959 teenager who was just existing alongside her famous parents. 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.120 And I think, you know, he's spoken at length about 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.040 how he now regrets a lot of the things he did. 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.439 He hasn't specifically apologized for much beyond Britney speech, but 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.080 he's more so broadly said I've tried change, you know, 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.200 who I am as a person. He released a book 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.960 called TMI, My Life in Scandal, and in that he 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.400 wrote he admitted like he was super petty to Ariana 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.639 Grande for years just because when she was looking for 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.040 a manager, he was interested and she didn't pick him. 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.239 So he was like, so I would write really mean 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.520 stuff about her because I just didn't like that she 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:17.840 did that. 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.800 Oh yeah, a lot of his stuff was just very petty. 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.800 But I also think like and not excusing any of 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.199 his behavior because like even even as a teen, like 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:27.000 logging onto his website, I could look at him be 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.320 like this is this isn't right? Yeah, but he was 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.840 really molding or following just the wave of where we 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.879 were as a society, of how we were consuming content. 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.159 Like yeah, the first wave of him tearing down Britney 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.879 Spears and making fun of her, calling on Christina Aguilera's body, 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.840 even the kind of beef with Lady Gaga, which came 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:47.680 later a way, he didn't even send her a photo 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.240 of her in a wheelchair wheelchair after she'd had I 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.879 think it was her leg yeah, yeah, and it was 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.560 like he compared her to Madonna in this weird photo 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:55.960 he sent her. 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.800 I think Madonna had a gun in the picture, yeah, 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:58.800 and all this kind of stuff. 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.600 So a lot of it was just kind of like 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.359 meeting the internet kind of where it was and pushing 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:07.200 it further. But like people were so hungryly consuming that content. 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.239 It's like he couldn't put up enough to keep up 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:13.360 with how much people wanted this kind of scandalous downfall 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:14.080 of celebrity. 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.159 He was incredibly successful. People were willing participants in what 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:17.720 he was doing. 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.919 Absolutely, and then like you know, there was like merch 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.480 and like people again were buying his book. 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.480 Then he became a TV star himself. 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.720 He would go on things like Big Brother, He would 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.360 do guest appearances on TV shows. He would be invited 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:33.320 to walk red carpets alongside people like you know, yeah. 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.800 Like people he'd cyber bullied, like really cyrus. Yeah, they 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:36.840 went to fashion shows together. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.840 Yeah, And it was this whole kind of like craziness 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.880 of watching the internet evolve. And then when he when 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.880 he started apologizing for things, it was around the kind 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:49.200 of like free Britney movement. Yeah, we're reframing things. Let's 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.439 look back at what happened at Paris Hilton with her abuse, 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.160 Let's look at this, Let's look at how women were treated. 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.920 And it's kind of like he I know, he says 0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.399 that he was that's what he felt, but from just 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.439 watching it through like a commentator lens, it felt like 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.159 more so he was just adjusting himself to public, to 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.000 the mom yeah exactly, to public scrutiny and sort of 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.200 seeing where the next wave was. And he was like, oh, 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.840 it's kind of fallen out of fashion now to make 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.240 fun of Britney Spears and other celebrities. So now I'm 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.840 going to go the other way and apologize. And for 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.040 a while, especially in the last like maybe five or 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.159 six years, I do feel like he was trying to 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.240 sort of rebrand himself and he was looking for those 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.680 like reaching out for those celebrity friendships, and they kind 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:30.280 of weren't there. 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:32.840 Do you remember when he went on The Hills reboot 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.280 vaguely oh in the Hills the way. 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.200 This was yeah, yeah, this is this is a huge 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.960 moment for me. So The Hills was like one of 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.080 the biggest TV shows in the world when it was out, 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.840 like you know many many like over a decade ago. 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.320 You know, Lauren Conrad, Heidi montag Or during a Partridge, 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.240 you know, the girls living in la and you. 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.240 Follow their careers and stuff. And then a couple of 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.879 years ago they brought it back as a reboot without 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.400 Lauren Conrad and it wasn't great. It was very strange. 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.399 It was nice to see like a Whitney Port and 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.680 stuff back, but also like they just didn't have this drama. 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.600 But interesting thing was they bought Misha Barton onto one 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.720 of the oh yeah yeah as a cast member, which 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.280 is so crazy because when The Hills was out, Misha 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.399 Butarton wasn't a reality start. She was the star of 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.440 the OC, the biggest TV show in the world. 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.199 They all owe their careers to her. Yeah, because the 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:26.800 OC came out and then they were like, let's do 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.399 Laguna Beach at it and it was Laguna Beach the 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:30.920 real OC. Yeah, how it was built. 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.280 Everyone's like, absolutely, give us more of this. And then 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.280 The Hills came off that, so it was interesting. They 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.880 tried to slot Misha Barton into the Hills world, and 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.720 it was her being like, I haven't seen these people 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:44.320 for years. I used to be friends with her, and 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.240 I'm like, showed me one ounce of proof that you 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:49.400 know any of these people. She didn't know any of them, 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.880 and it was her trying to get her career back, 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.360 which was very I was super interested in. Yeah, it 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.400 was after Miha Button hadn't worked for years and she 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:57.960 was trying to be an actress that was following her 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.920 to auditions and all these things. But the show didn't work. 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.080 Misha Button on the show didn't work, and Miha Button 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.200 as a reality start didn't work. But what did work 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.520 and what I thought was such a like a cultural moment, 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.000 was they brought Perez Hilton onto one of the episodes, 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.480 and he came into this bar where they're all hanging out, 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.959 and they filmed Mischa Barton confronting him. Well, because she 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:20.880 was one of his big touch she was one of. 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.480 His big targets, Like I feel like he would have 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.720 people fallen because you know, she was in that set 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.520 of like Lindsay Lowe and Nicole Richie, Paris Hilton, all 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.120 dressed by Rachel Zoe, all going out and like. 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:39.400 Part of dating that heiress or not. Heires what Tina's 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:40.800 dumb allegations are true? 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:45.320 Yeah, and photos of Mischa Barton like wildly partying were 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.880 like a very hot commodity. But he would post really 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.040 terrible things about her. Rumors he would like draw ugly 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.080 pictures of her, just horrific. And so Misha Button on 0:29:55.120 --> 0:30:00.200 the Hills confronted him and he's quite quite shocked. He 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.040 was coming in too like party with and afterwards he 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.920 did say he didn't expect it to go that way. 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:05.840 I think he thought he was coming in to kind 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:08.360 of like party with the Hills cast and have like 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:12.600 a bit of a two thousands like nostalgia moment. But 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.000 in Mischebaton, she was like, this is my retribution. I'm gonna, 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:17.920 like every bad thing that's been said about me by 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:19.840 anyone in the last twenty years, it's all going to come 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.239 out in this moment. So she confronted him and it 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.640 was like really good TV. And it was incredible to 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.560 her kind of like saying telling him to his face 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.840 what he'd done, and him kind of apologizing and like 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.960 looking quite like distressed at what she was saying. And 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:35.960 it just was like such a big moment. And I 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.160 think from now on he still reports on celebrity stuff, 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:40.640 but he has. 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:42.200 Toned it down a bit. 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.560 And that's the thing that I think some people are 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.479 grappling with at the moment is that we've seen this 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.960 video of Prize Hilton, even if he didn't want to 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.080 see it, it's out in the world, all of his 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.400 health informations being made public. As his family said, there's 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.320 people camped outside the facility, he's in the Piple camp 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.120 outside his home. There's people tracking down his children, and 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.400 there's one big group of people that are like, we 0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:07.240 need to like give him privacy and respect in this moment, 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.480 and then you have another group of people being but 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.280 he never afforded that to anyone else. Who was going 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.960 through this in the public eye, so why should we 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:15.520 do it now? 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.880 That's why as well. So like the Taylor mums and 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.800 call her Daddy clip has resurfaced, a lot of these 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.600 things that you and I have just discussed are being 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.479 brought back up because people are saying, well, he did 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.280 this to this person, and he did this to this person, 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.200 so does he deserve privacy when he didn't give it 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.680 to anyone else. What was really interesting to me was 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.320 like I saw you know, you know, Dared Padilecchi, you're 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.280 more girl supernatural. Oh, I know Laura's favorite. He put 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.680 out a tweet saying like, hey, Perez just wanted to 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:41.800 reach out and let you know you're in my thoughts, 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.320 like being a human being is exhausting and awful and 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.960 all of these things. So he put that statement out. 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.480 Then it received so much backlash of like why would 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.959 you say this? How dare you show sympathy to Perez 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.280 Hilton that Jared Padlechi took it down. Then he put 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.239 up a second tweet saying I didn't know it's been 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.560 brought to my attention. I'm sorry, and then he put 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.160 up a third with more detail, basically explaining himself for 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.840 why he'd reached out to Perez Hilton, and he said, 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.520 I had absolutely no idea about his past. I'd obviously 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.520 heard of him. I had heard he hadn't been kind 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.480 to me in my past, like that he'd written bad 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.040 things about Jared Pedelechi in the Yeah, yeah he did. 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.200 But he said, my thought is always to give grace 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.800 and forgiveness to those who may have tried to harm you. 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.000 In my experience, it usually works out better than holding 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.760 a grudge or wishing punishment on someone else. That being said, 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.080 I truly didn't know anything about the extent of what 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.920 he has done, and that's my bad. And he kind 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:34.600 He went on for a very long time, and he 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.480 was like, I'm sorry if my words caused any harm, 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:37.920 and I hope you are all well out there and 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:41.160 taking care of yourselves. But I think it's interesting that 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.520 there was a pretty hefty group of people try like 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:49.840 attacking Jared Padlechi for showing empathy for another person because 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.080 they don't like the things that he's done in his past. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.560 And as we've just said, like Perez Hilton has done 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.520 a lot of horrible things. He's done a lot of 0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.440 concerning things like publishing photos of miners up their skirts 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.360 and things like that, and harassing Britney Spears and all 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:04.920 of these things that we've said, he has done a 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.480 lot of awful and outing other celebrities. A big part 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.719 of his campaign was outing gay celebrities. 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:13.200 Yeah, Like he would like hunt down information ye about 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.480 celebrities that he knew were not ready to talk about 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.120 their sexuality or didn't want to, were fearful for like 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.880 their safety or their careers, and he would out them anyway. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.080 And he was kind of like a blood sport for 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.120 him that he then monetized. And you have celebrities like 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.760 Neil Patrick Harris who have come out and said like, yeah, 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.560 I was happy, Like he was with his partner David, 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.920 who's now married and they have kids, and he was like, yep, 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.760 David and I will go to events together and we 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.960 weren't hiding the fact that we were together. But I 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.400 wasn't ready to make this big statement about my private life. 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.960 And it's a big deal and pros Hilton basically outed him. 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.480 And proudly so. Like Perez at the time spoke to 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.160 the Los Angeles Times and was like, it's not embarrassing 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.000 to be gay. Everyone should just come out. I think 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.800 of it as my duty to out people if they 0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.200 don't want to, and like that is horrible. 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.680 Yeah, and then he tried to downplay it later on 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.040 when that's sort of like people were just like, that's 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.920 it's not your duty to be adding celebrities because you 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.359 think that the public deserves to know. And then he'd say, like, well, 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.920 I only added like a Queen Latifa because I just 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.000 know her girlfriend and I know they're together, and why 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:16.600 wouldn't I say it out loud? And it's like she's 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.160 clearly not saying it because she's wanting private about her 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.640 own life. And so it's kind of interesting, like who 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.799 has spoken on it. So Ilan Baldwin, who we were 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.560 talking about before, who is you know, one of his 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.600 biggest targets for years, also put out a statement and 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.080 said pras Hilton has publicly humiliated my family for years, 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.000 sexualized me from a young age, commented on my weight 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.400 and body as a child, and has always been a 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.640 despicable human being. But his children deserve better and a 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.200 healthy father, and I'm sad. 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:45.759 For all of them. I hope he gets the help 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.160 he needs and heals I think, I mean and that's 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:53.359 someone who has extreme personal stake in what he's done 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.880 to me. Yeah. I thought that was really much graceful 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.080 of her to put that statement out. Yeah, And I 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:01.239 think it's a classic two things can be true, Like 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.160 someone can have done irreparable damage to people and be 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.640 a person who has done bad things and done horrible 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.640 things and made people feel terrible about themselves, and you 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:13.000 can also have empathy for their family and for what 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.160 they've gone through and to not do the same things 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.360 to them that they have done to other people. I 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.239 think that's the thing that I've found really interesting is 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.400 a lot of people online and like it's not a 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.160 small cohort, it's a large amount of people tweeting and 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:29.360 commenting and making videos saying he deserves to be photographed 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.080 in this moment, his children deserve to be photographed in 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.279 this moment. And I think with that, like, what are 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.040 you trying to say, Like, if you think what he 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.200 did was bad, if you think what he did is problematic, 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.640 which I do, why would you think that the answer 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:44.520 is more of that? 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.560 Yeah, and his three children or under the age of thirteen, 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:48.920 just to kind of give I mean, not that it 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.759 would matter what age they were, but yeah, that's what 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.799 we're dealing with that. Yeah, I hold these things, these 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.279 two things so differently in my head. The same is 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.839 that on one hand, I so firmly believe that like 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.200 so much of what Perez Hilton has done is so 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.600 kind of like unforgivable over the last twenty years. But 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:10.000 I feel like when he had like sometimes had endorsement 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.320 deals taken away or was taken off TV shows, or 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.760 at one stage he had like his social accounts taken 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:20.160 away for you know, saying like hurtful, damaging things about people, 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.200 I think that's the way that you deal with something 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.280 about on a professional level. Hold I hold his professional 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.240 life so differently in my head to how I hold 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:31.040 this thing that has happened with his mental health in 0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.400 his life. And I do kind of I much, very 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.240 much understand people saying like give him grace for his children, 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:37.719 but also even if he didn't have children, I would 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:41.920 find children are a huge factor because people are hunting 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.600 them down to get photos of them and saying it's karma, 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.080 which is the way he had because yes, he doesn't 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.240 show photos of children. 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.680 He hasn't. Last ten years, since that whole movement that 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.360 was led by celebrities like Kristen Belendack shit, but of 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:58.200 like the no kids policy, Yeah, he did ahere to that, 0:36:58.320 --> 0:36:59.720 but he didn't for a long time. 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.080 Before long years before that he was doing it. But 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:05.120 I don't see that. I don't see what's happened in 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:06.920 this moment to him and his mental health and his 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:08.640 family and his children. I don't see that as being 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.160 wrapped up what happened in his professional life, like they 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.440 have to be held differently. Yeah, and what is to 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.520 be gained for punishing these three young children for things 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.719 that he did to celebrity dad twenty years ago? Yeah, 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.279 And like you said, I think the children thing is 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.439 a huge deal, and I agree with you. But also 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.359 even if he didn't have children, even if he didn't 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.759 have like his family worried about him, even if it 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.440 was just him alone, I still think that he as 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.520 a human being deserves like our empathy for what he's 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.680 gone through, because what else is there? And I actually 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.560 find it like not comforting, but I find it like 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.279 a good kind of looking at a step forward that 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.280 if this had happened at the height of Perez Hilton's 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.400 like blog fame to another celebrity and he was posting, 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.200 and other outlets were posting, they would be posting the video. 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.160 There'd be all the sortied that, like, all the stories 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.480 would be like the sordid details from inside the house 0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.640 and all these things. The kids photos would be on 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:01.920 the cover of magazines. I do find a little bit 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.160 comforting now, even though that some people are calling for 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:08.120 that a bigger part of the media and the general public, 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.480 the bigger part of is everyone saying, don't show that, 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.359 it's invasive, it's upsetting, have some sort of protection, like 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.600 it does. When I think about to two thousand and 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:21.279 five to now, things have gotten slightly better in the 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.520 way that we report on these sorts of things and 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:24.960 the way that people handle them, and the way the 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.320 public because like, if this had happened to someone like 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.279 pros Hilton even fifteen years ago, it would have been 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.880 this whole like kind of like sport or game of 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.359 like who can get the most photos the most, who 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.359 wants sell it for the highest amount of money, who 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.880 can have the most graphic photos or the most you know, 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.759 kind of like tabloidy headline, And the fact that there's 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.240 been a lot of questions around not doing that, even 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.839 to the person that was the center of that yeap 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.840 is I think kind of like it's a positive step 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:55.399 forward in that. 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.839 Sense, and like, yeah, as I said, there's a lot 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.040 of horrible people saying horrible things about him and what 0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.279 he deserves at this moment. But yes, it is much 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.520 more comforting to think that the majority of people are 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.160 not engaging with this story. Yeah, And a lot of 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.680 people aren't trying to see that video unfitionally. It is 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.319 just I think a lot of the clips that have 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.200 been taken and reposed to have been taken down, Yeah, 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:20.560 that people aren't seeking it out. Yeah. I think Wendy Williams, 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.400 like in the past few years said kind of offhand, 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.719 like I would ask for privacy, but I know that 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.040 I wouldn't have given it to someone who was going 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.000 through what I'm going through. And like, I thought that 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.279 was really interesting and sort of similar to the way 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.319 that I feel about the prose situation. Is that just 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:41.960 because someone spearheaded this kind of cultural like conversation and 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.880 inappropriate sort of content, that we don't do that to 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:47.440 them when they're going through something. 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.600 Yeah, exactly. And just to finish up too, I think 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.160 there's a lot of people out there that still feel 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.960 like the intense psychological hurt, like physical herd all these 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.839 things from like what pros Hilton posts about them, and 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:02.239 there's I think also a station to like just acknowledge 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:02.960 that as well. 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.200 But yeah, I do think again it's one of those 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.359 complex issues, but I think it's just one of those 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.799 cases of holding two different thoughts in the same time. 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.840 So if you kind of just glance at the headlines, 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.920 it would look like Martha Stewart has outed Megan Markle 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.480 for sharing some royal information that she shouldn't be sharing. 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.320 But let's dive into what actually happened. 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.960 Because it's like a lot of headlines that Martha Stewart 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.880 makes is that she was just as part of an interview. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.319 She's just kind of like chatting away, but because she's 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.239 quite unfiltered, she'll just say something that I'm sure to 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.080 her doesn't seem like a big deal, but then it 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.759 gets pulled out into this big story and made a 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:44.839 big deal. And also that is the power of Martha 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.880 Stewart because for someone who's you know, kind of made 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.239 her fame of the last couple of decades of being 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:54.400 like the queen of like homemaking and cooking, and lifestyle. 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.200 And friends with Snoop Dogg. 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.600 Yeah, being friends with the good friends with Snoop Dogg 0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.640 and going to jail and getting out of jail and 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.760 rebuilding her career and being like the kind of person 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.279 you look to have, Like, how do you behave at 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.239 a dinner party? She also knows how to behave at 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.600 dinner party and give us some give us tea, Give. 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:10.040 Us some tea. 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.080 So in a recent big cover story with People magazine 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.239 where she was creating like a past kind of cover 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.040 shooting interview that she'd done, they were doing interview with 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.719 her and they one of the questions was what do 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:24.480 you like at a party Martha Stewart, Because you know, 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.799 she's the queen of hosting, So what is she like 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.640 when she's a guest at a party? And she said, 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:32.080 my friends call me lifo. 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:36.160 Last in first out, she said, I don't like cocktails 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.000 terribly much. I don't like standing around if it's a dinner. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:40.799 I like to get there when people are about to 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.319 sit down, and then I like to leave shortly after 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.799 dessert is served. But I have a good time while 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.520 I'm there. And then no, literally, no one brought this up. 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:52.120 No one asked, Martha Stewart just decided to throw this 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.840 little tidbit in. Then she said, I had dinner with 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.239 Megan Markle the other night. We were both guests at 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.760 a dinner party in California and she had just gotten 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:02.480 back from the Palace. I didn't talk to her really 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.279 more than to say a couple of words, but I 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.959 know she was talking about it. And then the People 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.839 magazine did she talk about her life? God? 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.240 And then People Magazine said, what do you think about 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.959 her stepping into your space with her own cooking show? 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.840 Because if there's one thing Martha Stewart loves to talk about, 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:23.240 it's other famous women stepping into her territory of cooking 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:23.840 and lifestyle. 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.480 Yeah. And so then Martha Stewart said, if you're an actress, 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.560 it's hard then to transition to a princess, and then 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.800 from a princess to a homemaking guru on a television show. 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.319 It doesn't sort of follow, so you go from there. 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:39.560 And that's all she said. I think that's true to 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:40.440 all Martha carry on. 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.680 So then a source came to People Magazine, who I'm 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.440 going to go out on a limit, say, a source 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.680 from Megan Marcau's team or even Megan mark Or herself 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.960 contacting People Magazine and saying I sat next to Meghan 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.200 at the dinner party and this account of what happened 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.880 is simply untrue. Megan didn't talk about her European vacation 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.080 other than to say the family had a great time. 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.720 Megan has always been a fan of Martha's and enjoyed 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.920 getting to meet her briefly at the dinner tea. 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:11.399 I think Martha's always saying something, you know, yeah, that's 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:12.400 what I know about something. 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.040 But why this is kind of blown up is one, 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.240 as we always say, anything to do with Megan Markle 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.040 is a lightning rod for comments and articles and headlines. 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.480 But why this is blown up is that, yes, it 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.759 was very widely reported that Prince Harry, Megan Michael, and 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.839 their two children, Archie and Lilibet went to the UK 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:35.760 huge deal, met with the Royal family, met with King Charles, 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.359 and there was a lot of speculation of how that went. 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.840 That the Royal family was repelling Megan market awall that 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.240 they didn't want to see her and that things went badly, 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:47.920 and then some people were reporting that it went well. 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.200 But one of the big stories that came out is 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:55.560 that Harry and Meghan, from reports, stayed at Princess Diana's 0:43:55.600 --> 0:44:00.799 big family, famous family compound and visited her great and 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.520 apparently the Spencer family had said, like, you can come 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.240 and stay here because obviously your family. 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:07.440 But this is all like again. 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:11.320 Reports allegedly, yeah, all these things, but do we don't 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:15.200 share photographs from this? Yeah, area and place like there 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:16.640 are parts of that house that are open to the 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.640 public that you can tour at different parts of the year, 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:21.320 but the part of the property on the little island 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.759 where Princess Diana is buried and her memorial is is 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.040 off limits to the public, and no one, no family 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:31.040 who visit their share photos. And then their Meghan Markele 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:36.760 posted photos of just like standing back of Prince Harry 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.239 like his back and their two kids walking behind him 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:43.040 carrying flowers in an area that people have said is 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.640 on the property heading to Princess Diana's grave. And so 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.520 then that blow up into this whole story of that 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:52.680 I missed that one. Oh yeah, so they'll is something 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.279 mean and then that blew up of like, oh my god, 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.560 Diana's family trusted Meghan, they asked her not to post photos. 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.080 She couldn't help herself. They're clearly heading to the memorial. 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.319 It's so distasteful. And then these reports came out about 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:10.000 how many times Prince William and Princess Catherine and their 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.520 three children had visited a memorial and they're like and 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:13.280 you never. 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:13.760 See a photo. 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.319 They're so private, and so that blew up into a 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.600 huge story, and the story was that Meghan Markle was 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:23.160 trying to like capitalize and like make headlines with her 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.120 visits to the UK, to the royal family and to 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:30.839 Princess Diana's family, and so in any other time, this 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.240 remarked from Martha Stewart of like, oh, she was talking 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.520 about her holiday and she just was back from the 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.360 family palace and she was talking about it might not 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.960 have been such a big deal. But because people already 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:45.080 saying that Meghan Mikael was sharing stories, gossiping, trying to 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.839 get some fame off it, that's why this blew up. 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:49.719 And I think that's why a spokesperson then came to 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.399 people and said this didn't happen. She didn't say anything. Yeah, 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.319 because they're trying to pull that story back. 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.719 Sounds like a lot of nothing. 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.319 Sounds like Michael. She was like, well, I didn't know. 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.719 The thing is Martha Stewart always says I don't read 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.399 the things. Yeah, she doesn't often know being said about 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:06.279 other celebrities. 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.040 That's her story, that's her story, and I don't buy it. 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:13.920 I'm sorry, Martha. I like you. I think I don't know. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:19.440 You scare me. But she's scary. But she met like 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.920 King Charles not that long ago. Like she knows these people. 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.680 She knows there's tension, she knows everything that's going. Like, 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.440 she's not stupid. She's Martha Stewart. 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:29.600 I know, but she does her big things like I 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.239 don't read all the things, like I don't have time. 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:32.880 She's like, I don't have time for that. And she 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.359 said that because she was on one of the last 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.239 seasons of the Kardashians, you know, the Kardashians thing where 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.719 they like invent these storylines to fill time because Kim's 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:43.200 the only one actually doing the work and show. 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.200 You love to say that, and I stand by that. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.360 Yeah, but if you're get to fill time, fill it 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.239 with Martha Stewart. So the whole thing was like Martha 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.279 Stewart came to Chris Jenna's house. She invited her daughter, 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:54.759 Chloe over who lives next door, to come in and 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:56.800 meet her new chef. When she walked into the kitchen, 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:58.799 like Martha Stewart was hired there, Martha, she was like, oh. 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.920 She was just like, hey, like I do I enjoy her? Like, 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:07.080 can't like her vibe? Yeah, I don't care. The world's mine. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:08.000 I Yeah. 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.160 She was like, I'm here at the Kardashian's house. I'm 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.040 being filmed. I'm kind of unimpressed, but like, it's a 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.680 nice house and this speech is nice. She does seem perpetually. 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.160 I'm unimpressed by everything. Yes, But the thing is when 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.040 they sat down at lunch, she said to Chloe, so 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:20.719 tell me, do you have a husband, have kids? 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:21.200 What's going on? 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.160 She's like, I don't read the things. And then Chloe 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:28.080 had to be like, well, yeah, children, Yeah, I have 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.680 two children. I'm not with the father of my children 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.640 because he cheated on me and had a child with 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:38.239 another woman while we were expecting a child. And Martha goes, oh, 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:42.800 that's not nice. Chloe's like, it isn't nice. That's so true. 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.319 So that's her thing, that's her thing. 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:44.640 Okay. 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:46.640 It's like she's like, I don't know. Tell me, you 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:48.920 tell me what's happening. So I think there's I don't 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.760 think that when people say that Martha Stuart was trying 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:53.239 to out Megan Markle. 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.440 That probabs not. I think she's just trying to have her. 0:47:55.640 --> 0:48:00.920 I think she unintentionally waded into a firestorm. Yes, but 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:02.840 she likes to add a little shade. 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:04.960 Well, yeah, she does. She likes to add a comment 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.600 about like, oh, well, it's hard to transition from being 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.120 an actress into a princess into being a homemaking guru 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.120 doesn't follow. I think it does. I think it's a 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.520 pretty obvious career. In fact, Martha, I think going from 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:18.760 actress to royal, which some would say is an actress, 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.239 I would to lady who makes jam, because you learned 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.200 how to make jam at the palace, Like, pretty solid 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:26.760 career paths are now obviously. 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.480 I mean, I think the biggest burn to that to 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.439 Megan Minkle is that Martha Stewart, who she has talked 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.160 about loving and she loves Meghan Michael, is like the 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.840 prime fan of a Martha Stewart, is that Martha Stewart 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.160 doesn't know about the tig And I think that would 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:42.080 be the biggest. 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.480 Blow to Megan Markle because Meghan Michael had a huge 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.200 The Better though, and she became a royal. Yeah. 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.960 She had a lifestyle blog called The Tig that was 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.279 like trying, you know, attempting to almost like it was 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.040 like an homage to Martha Stewart. And so the fact 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.040 that Martha stew was like, she's an actress, she has 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.040 no business, and you just see Megan Michael being. 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:00.600 Like, but the Tig a the Tig. 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:04.680 But Mother Stewart, in fairness to her, loves to comment 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.839 on actresses coming into her space. Yeah, so she has 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.279 commented on Blake Lively before. And the fun thing about 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.520 this is that she and Blake Cogliff were friendly. They 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.160 were neighbors, and they were like buddies. They were buddies 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:18.399 because they lived in the same area in like big 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.240 compounds and they would visit each other. But when Blake 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:26.239 Lively launched her big lifestyle website, Preserve, which did have 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:30.880 rip r ip, that was Preserves a of my favorite 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:32.360 things to talk about. We read one a whole episode. 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.600 So and I'm not in a mean way, but like 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:36.480 I feel bad for Blake Lively because she tried to 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:40.319 launch this big lifestyle website. It wasn't ready to go live, 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:42.320 and then Anna wind Tour said, I'm putting on the 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:44.920 cover of Vogue so that you can launch Preserve, and 0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:46.880 then Blake Lively said, well, we're not ready, but you 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.279 don't say no to and a wind Tour. So it 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:53.320 launched with the craziest cover letter celebrity has ever written 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:56.520 for a website, where she talked about artisans which is 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:58.600 her favorite word to use, but then she also talked 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.760 about being hungry but not just for enchiladas, for ideas, 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.080 and yeah, Jesus. 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:05.319 It's the craziest thing. 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.759 And it's this beautiful photo of Blake Lively of like 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:11.000 it's her seemingly like writing her letter, but she's like 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:12.840 kind of like sitting in like the window of a 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:15.120 barn in black and white. There was a lot of barns, 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:17.279 and a lot of barns, a lot of nineties, a 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:18.800 lot of like wooden bowls. 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:24.200 Yeah, all the things. And so Preserve died rip, it 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.080 died a brutal death and she had to shut it 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:30.880 all down. So yes, when Preserve was launching and Martha's 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.919 Stuitt was asked about it, like, oh, Blake Lively who 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:36.480 talks about loving you so openly and so much, And 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:40.320 Martha Stewart said, let her try, and then she said 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:42.080 that don't mean that facetiously. 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.960 She said, I mean it's stupid. She could be an actress. 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.000 Why would you want to be me when you could 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.840 be an actress? And then she goes, why did a 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.200 movie yesterday? Though I can't even tell you about it? 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.879 But I maybe I want to be Blake Lively. It's 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.360 so funny because when she's like, why she she's an actress, 0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:59.120 why does she want to be me? That's what I 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.480 think every time an act just launch a podcast like 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:05.560 Amy Pola, What are you doing? Love your pod? 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.040 But Amy Pola is like I met Laura Brodnick once, 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.320 she seemed cool and also. 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:13.000 Podcast everyone who watches the podcast, I'm like, you don't 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.360 have to do that. You could just go be a 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.440 famous actress. Love that you did it. The Donuts Brothers 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:19.759 were they doing reading ads on a podcast? I know 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:24.000 they need the money, but how dare you? They are 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:27.480 very successful on their podcast? Oh yeah I didn't so 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.440 yeah exactly, but yeah, like Martha Stewart, then then she 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:31.120 also wanted. 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:32.960 To say that Blake Lively is lovely. She's so shy. 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:34.960 She's like, yeah, she's really like out there in public, 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.360 but she's so so shy behind the scenes, you wouldn't 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:40.000 believe it. We're just scared of Martha Stewart. She's scared 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:44.000 of you. She's obsessed with you, and she's like your neighbors. 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:47.400 So like, you've interacted and now she can't speak in 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:49.120 front of you, and then you said her sight was 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:54.160 kind of ridiculous, So that happened. Martha Swarts also had 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.279 a lot to say about Gwyneth Paltrow, who, amongst us, 0:51:56.320 --> 0:52:00.920 hasn't When she was lawn in group and she was 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.319 doing all these interus and stuff, Martha Stewart said, Oh, 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:06.359 she just needs to be quiet. She's a movie star. 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.719 If she was confident in her acting, she wouldn't be 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.480 trying to be Martha Stewart. 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:15.040 Martha's like, why does everyone want to be mere? She's like, 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:16.480 oh my god, she want an oscar. Then she's like, 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:18.680 you know what I'm going to do next? Be Martha Stewart. 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:21.279 Although that's what all the TikTok girlies are doing now too. 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.000 They're all trying to be Martha Stewarts. Oh, Solcia. 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:25.920 Sure, yees me, I'm trying to be Ininegarten. Yeah, oh, 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:27.719 don't say that name in front of Martha Stewart. They 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:32.120 famously fight, those two lovely famous celebrity chefs. And then 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:33.839 later on when she was asked, because the thing. 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.319 Is, if you ask Martha Stewart about Gwyneth Paltrow, she 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.360 loved to talk about it. She's got so many thoughts 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.920 on Gray Paltrow. She was saying again when she was 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.680 like really trying to get Goop out of just being 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.960 a newsletter to being this huge, big like website and 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.120 e commerce store and all these things, she said, well, 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.440 she just really wants to be part of the lifestyle business. 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.400 She's a charming pretty person who has a feeling for 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.280 lifestyle and she wants to be in arbiter. Good. Fine, 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:59.280 I think I started the whole category of lifestyle anyway, which, 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.160 to be honest, she kind of did. But then she 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:05.960 Martha Stewart had a real problem with Gwenneth's vagina Candle, 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.000 I can remember that again, who she thought she it 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.640 was kind of sullying this lifestyle brand. She's like I 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.640 star and she's like, I invented lifestyle. Me Martha Stewart, 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.560 then Gwyneth Paltrow, a pretty actress with nothing else to do, 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.120 who's not confident in her acting, tried to be me fine, fine, 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.160 But now she's selling vagina candles and the only people 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.080 who want to buy that are horny man, which I 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:27.719 actually disagree with because I know a lot of women 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:30.239 who bought the vagina candles, like, ah, this is cute. 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.799 Martha is such an enigma, Like I get it, but 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.319 also I don't because you also didn't invent lifestyle and 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.480 you also sell weird shit all the time. Yeah, what 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:41.359 are you talking about. 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:43.719 I don't think she I don't think she has a 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:46.200 problem with people like monetizing it. I think she's a 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.000 problem with people not staying in their lane, particularly it 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:53.200 would appear very rich, famous, white blonde women. 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.400 She knows she also falls into that. No, I know, 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:58.920 but I just think I was gonna say, not me 0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:00.799 defending Martha Stuart. But I like about this, you can 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.200 do it well. She has to really. 0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.640 Build up her empire, and she did it for decades, 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.520 and she wasn't coming off the back of like a 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:11.279 Gwyneth Paltrow, like a famous stand Yeah. Yeah, and she's 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.759 not coming off her. I think her thought is she 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.080 had to really build her business from the ground up, 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:18.759 and she didn't tack it onto the side of a hot, 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.840 big Hollywood career. Yes and arguably the most famous woman 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.440 in the world for lifestyle, yes, so yes, so that 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.600 she did. Think she feels like she is like the 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:29.799 queen of them all, the godmother, so she gets to 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:30.800 comment on them. 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.239 And she's not wrong. They do all want to be her. 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:34.360 Oh yeah, they all want to be her, that's true, 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:37.480 and just find it funny how brutal she is. I 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:39.479 just think there's a way that those kind of type 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.240 of women, like a lot of the time, talk about 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.960 each other, and there's this whole thing of like, but 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:47.239 our lifestyle brands are about like feeling, even though they're 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.879 obviously not. They're selling this unrealistic lifestyle. They're like, buy 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.040 this bottle of stuff that'll promise to fix your entire life, 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.000 and by the couple side of it and go yeah, 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:56.480 and that sort of stuff. But there's a way those 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.440 women talk about each other, which is like room for 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:01.520 all of us support each other womanhood. It's like going 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.480 to the Paltrow like inviting Courtney Kardashian over when she 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:08.120 started poosh or inviting Megan markel over, when she started Yes, 0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:10.200 Riviera Orchard. 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.160 This was that. Yes, that was the original name before 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.759 she had to change it. Yes, and so that but 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:20.759 Martha Stewart doesn't fall into line of that why they 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:22.439 all want her approval, And that's why they all want 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.640 her approval. So that's what's happened between Megan Markle and 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.440 Martha Stewart. Martha Stewart thought she'd throw Megan Mikale's name 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.840 out there again, no one asked. Thought she'd throw it 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.560 out there just to sort of explain the situation of 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.640 how she is at a dinner party. Megan Michael realized 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.400 it as like this huge blowing up of her spot 0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:42.200 at the moment for the scandal she's currently dealing with. 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.800 And then I'm sure if anyone would ask Martha Stewart 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.719 at the moment, oh what do you think of like 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:49.279 all the drama with you and Mega Markle or she 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.320 would say, I don't know, I don't read the things. 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:55.799 That's a beautiful way to be. Thank you so much 0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.080 for listening to this spill today. If this episode brought 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.440 up anything for you, we have linked resources in the 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:02.719 show Notes. We will be back in your feed bright 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.760 and early tomorrow morning with Morning Tea hosted by Ash London. 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:07.240 Bye bye,