1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Some days I think they're paying me to do this stuff. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I've had days like that when I think, really, don't 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: tell them. The thing about Antarctica is probably what keeps 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: me coming down. Here is the pure wilderness. It's pure air, 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: it's pure water, pure sound. Every day is precious. Live 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: your best life as much as you possibly get. Don't 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: put things off. If you want to go and see Antartica, 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: save up, do it, you do it now. 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Seas. The Yay Podcast. Busy and happy 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: rarely we play, and often don't realize there's more than 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore, 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: entrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: for Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Cca is a series 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: the self doubt challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: Beautiful people, I'm finally back from the Great White and 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: I'm genuinely speechless, which doesn't happen very often. The Ya 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: of Antarctica was absolutely indescribable, although as per usual, when 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: I say there are no words, I then follow with 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: a million words, so you'll be getting bombarded with reflections 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: and feelings in due course. I'm sitting down with and 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: this week to unload with a little Yez of allis Reunion, 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: which will be coming to you much more regularly, I promise, 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: and that will be in your ears very soon. Thank 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: you so much for your patients, by the way, during 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: the repeated breaks we've had this year to allow for 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: travel and chaos and a general roller coaster now turned 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: polar coaster of a year to keep you going. In 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: the meantime, I was so lucky to interview many of 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: the incredible career and passengers on the Ocean Endeavor during 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: our travels to Antarctica, and I will compile it all eventually. 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: There's so much audio and footage to go through. There 39 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: were just so many fascinating pathways that expanded my mind 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: in all directions over and over I literally, I'm not 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: going to stop talking about this trip for years, but 42 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: I recorded one very special full episode with someone whose 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: story made me tear up many times, and whose passion 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: project I'm desperate to share as far and wide as possible, 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: and I hope you guys will be too. I gravitated 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: towards Martin Cohen immediately because if anyone on board qualified 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: as the team penguinologist, it's him. Although his expertise is 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: much broader as an overall wildlife biologist, and yes, he 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: has had drinks with one Sir David Attenborough in his time, 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: but as time went on on the ship, I also 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: heard the most heartwarming and heart wrenching story behind the scenes, 52 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: and I hope you're as moved by Martin as I was. 53 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: I won't give you any hints, as it's so much 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: more beautiful told by Martin himself, but I will include 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: links at the end so you can support the beautiful 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: project he's embarked on that you'll hear all about. I'm 57 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: sure many of you will be as passionate as I 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: have become about helping him spread the word, and hope 59 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: the yighborhood can get behind him. Excuse the background noise 60 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: the ship was pretty loud. I think we've got rid 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: of most of it. There's a bit of buzzing in 62 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: the background, but it does give you an authentic taste 63 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: of the adventure. Ladies and gentlemen, Martin Cohen, Martin, welcome 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: to Ceza. 65 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: I am so excited to have you here. We have 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: had the loveliest couple of days together. It's been a 68 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: pleasure getting to know you, but now to be able 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: to sit down and find out more about how you 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: started is an absolute joy. 71 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I'm happy to tell my story. It's 72 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: very nice and calm conditions as well. I have to 73 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: go back a few years. Sarah, So, I'm sixty one now. 74 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: So I was born in nineteen sixty one in Melbourne, 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: in Ringwood and Malvin and my parents were battlers, I suppose, 76 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: for want of a different word. The dad was a 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: women's fashion shoe salesman, so I used to go all 78 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: over the out and country Storia selling the new samples 79 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: for the new season's shoes, and mum was a part 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: time bookkeeper, housekeeper. Really, so in suburban Melbourne. 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that fascinates me the 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: most about doing this show is tracing back all the 83 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 2: steps of like now the chapter of your life that 84 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: I walk in. Now it's this crazy adventure, but you 85 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: definitely don't always start knowing that that's where you're going 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: to be. And one of the things I got asked 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: to most about before we left f Antarctica was, oh, 88 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: my god, you get to meet a penguinologist, and you 89 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: are the one who falls in the definition of a penguinologist. 90 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: So from those beginnings in Melbourne to penguinology to hear 91 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: tell us the story. 92 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Well, as soon as I could remember, I was fascinated 93 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: by wildlife, and I listened to and watch TV Vincent 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: seventi and there was Harry Butler and people like that. 95 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: And it was also an American program called Mutual Omaha's 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: Wild Kingdom, and they had Marlon Perkins presented, and they 97 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: had Big Gym who used to go out and catch 98 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: all the wildlife. And I wanted to be big Gym. 99 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: Everything I wanted to do, you know. I used to 100 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: go to fields out the back of Melvin they're all 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: residential developments now, Keys were a region and used to 102 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: go and look for frogs, bring back frogs and all 103 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: sorts of things back home and hey, Mom, lookd I've 104 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: got today Mum and go, oh, yeah great. And I 105 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: brought back a snake one day. It was a copperhead 106 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: snake and said Mum, And she says, is that poisonous? Man? 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: And I said yeah, And she says, we might want 108 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to go and let that go, I think, And I 109 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: think I dropped it in the house. I was having 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: an escape anyway. My parents were very good at putting 111 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: up with my crazy desires. I didn't know what that meant. 112 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: So I knew I wanted to work with wildlife. I 113 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: was passionate about bidlife. I don't know where that came from, 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: but it did. And so finished school, went to university, 115 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: did a biological science degree and did honors in zoology 116 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: and that got me out in the field actually catching wildlife, 117 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: and I thought, I really like this. And then I 118 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: got off at a scholarship to go to Townsville. So 119 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: a little Melbourne boy going up to the dim dark 120 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: North Queensland, up to Townsvill to James Cook University. And 121 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: it was there that really my eyes were open to 122 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: what I could be in this field and then begrudgingly 123 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: finished a PhD and did all sorts of other things, 124 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: And I've worked in tourism, worked as a consultant, launched 125 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: programs like Land for Wildlife, and then I fell into 126 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: the BBC Natural History in it for four years, so 127 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: working on a six part series called Wild Austroasia as 128 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: a senior researcher and working with Dione Gilmour in the 129 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: ABC in Melbourne, and it was fantastic and the BBC 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: best Cameraman, best producers in the world and got to 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: travel around the country filming wildlife. 132 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: Gosh, it's so cool. I think one of the things 133 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: that we get drummed into us, maybe a little bit 134 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: too hard when we're younger, is that you are supposed 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: to know what you want to do and then you're 136 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: supposed to get there in this really linear fashion, and 137 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: that you meant to have it all sorted out. But 138 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: I feel like no one's career starts or ends, that 139 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: very few people land where they thought they would, and 140 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: that there are so many different steps along the way, 141 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: Like who could have known that you would end up 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: with the BBC, which is like the dream that you 143 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: didn't even know you had it was. 144 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: I knew when I was doing that two year contract, 145 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: it's never going to get better than this. I mean, 146 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: this mob paying me to travel around Australia with the 147 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: world's best cameraman filming wildlife and relying on my expertise 148 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: to help them do that. And I thought, that's never 149 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: going to get any better. And in some ways it hasn't. 150 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: It hasn't. I mean, that was a dream job and 151 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: I loved it. And then I met this lovely English 152 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: girl and working helping me work on the series. And 153 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: after that contract, we went to the UK and sort 154 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: of did contracts with the BBC and that's we're my 155 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: favoite story of it. I did get drunk with David 156 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Attenborough at a wild screen conference once so and I 157 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: was living the dream. But her name is Julia. Julia 158 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: and I decided that if our careers took off here 159 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: in the UK, we were never going to see each other. 160 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: And we were soulmates, you know, absolutely soul mates. So 161 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: we decided to come back Australia and start in Far 162 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: North Queen's landing Cans and start our own business. And 163 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: so that was the next phase. Start from scratch, literally, 164 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: start from scratch and that was great, and we started 165 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: a publishing company and we did a whole range of 166 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: different jobs, and Julia's career was taking off, and I 167 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: was sitting back thinking, yeah, well, I might just sit 168 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: back and be stay home and write a few books 169 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: and you know, articles and things like that. But well 170 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: turned a bit upside down when she contracted a rare 171 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: autoimmune disease and passed away in twenty eleven, so and 172 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: I had to change track again and what do I 173 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: do now? And where do I go? And that was 174 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: pretty tough. 175 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't even imagine. I think one of 176 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: the things that any theory of joy and fulfillment and 177 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: happiness in life also has to consider the challenges to 178 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: that joy that happened along the way, and that there 179 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: are times where you don't feel any joy for big, long, 180 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: protracted periods of time and don't think necessarily that you'll 181 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: have another drawer that you could rebuild yourself. But yet 182 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: now I feel like you're one of the most positive, 183 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: humanity embracing people that I've ever met. So how did 184 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: you find your way out of that? 185 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: It's funny because Julia. When I met Julia in two 186 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: thousand and two. It pretty well re sparked my childhood 187 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: passion for wildlife because she had it and reflected back 188 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: to me then, and I'm still going she lit the fire, 189 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: and although she's not here anymore, that fire still goes 190 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: because of it, and it's sort of this is what 191 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: I love, and this is what I want to do. 192 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: I love telling people how wonderful nature is. And I 193 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: have this, hopefully a good belief that if people get 194 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: to know how wonderful nature is and they're confronted with 195 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: opportunities to either save it or not, they'll choose to 196 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: save it. I'm going to believe that to the day 197 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: I die, so my passion. If that inspires you to 198 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: want to protect it or appreciate it more, then that's 199 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: my job and that's why I'm here. 200 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure you absolutely sparked that for everyone on this boat. 201 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: From the first talk to the last, I feel like 202 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: we've had so many opportunities to share in your passion 203 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: for what started as thinking you were the ornithologist, and 204 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: then thinking with a pengleinologist, and then realizing you were 205 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: just the everything biologist. How did you make your way 206 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: then to this incredibly remote and pristine part of the world. 207 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a really good question, Sarah, because I'm 208 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: not sure sure how either. I mean, technically, I'm a 209 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: tropical wildlife biologist and I introduced myself as that, and 210 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: then people are thinking, but we're going to Antarctica. So 211 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: I started getting into the expedition company a few years 212 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: after Julia passed away, and I doing more and more, 213 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: and I work with a company called Limblade Expeditions, and 214 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: I really like them, and they liked me, and they 215 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: kept giving me more work in tropical regions and that's fun. 216 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: And I had a guy, a lovely guy, I'm Sean Powell, 217 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: who believed in me. He said, Martin, I want you 218 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: to learn our Antarctica. Who wants you to be part 219 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: of our Antarctic expedition team. So, and you'll probably appreciate 220 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: this transition from wildlife biologists to storyteller. And you find 221 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: things that interest you, mostly wildlife, and you think, well, 222 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: I can write a story from that and to engage people. 223 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: And so you know a lot of ways I call 224 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: myself a storyteller or a performer. Now, you know, I 225 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: do the research and I prepare talks. I try and 226 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: make them entertaining and have this little bit of a performance. 227 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: I've come off stage, you know, big stage for talking 228 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: to a lot of people, and I've gone back to 229 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: my cabin sometimes like who the hell was that? It's like, 230 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: who was that person out there? I was like, what 231 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: happened to that scientist? And so it has been a 232 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: bit of an epiphany for me that I'm a bit 233 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: of a performer or you know, and telling stories and 234 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: trying to engage people. And I thought back, my mother 235 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: and father, I never thought about this much met at 236 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: amateur theater. So and I had a very famous and 237 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: successful brother who was a three times Diri Award winning 238 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: producer and engineer. So he went down that industry. He's 239 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: no longer with us, sadly, he took a toll, I think, 240 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: all the drugs and the alcohol and the smoking, and 241 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: he didn't live past sixty. But he was hugely successful. 242 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: And I suppose I was a scientist. And I thought, well, 243 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: now that's where I've got my sort of artistic site. 244 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: And I love it. And saying that the compliment you 245 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: paid me about what I've presented here, it is really 246 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: important because I work hard to make them accessible to people. 247 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: From all works a lot. I don't want to be 248 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: a lecture. I hate the word lecture. They all call 249 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: them lectures here. I like presentation and much rather presentation. 250 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: I also think what's really interesting is how much we 251 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: silo ourselves in thinking I'm not good at public speaking, 252 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: therefore I won't do the presentations. I'll leave it up 253 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: to someone else. Or I'm a scientist, so I fit in, 254 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, the stereotype of sit in my room and 255 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: just do the science. But once you decide you're a storyteller, 256 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: then you just can be that. And I also think 257 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: the coolest thing is looking back, like you said, with 258 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: your parents and seeing how all the dots connect. Eventually 259 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: you'll work it out. You don't necessarily know in the 260 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: forwards motion, but looking back. 261 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: No, definitely, I had no idea, as I said, I thought, oh, 262 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: maybe my photography is my artistic side. But in the 263 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: last few years I realized that, you know, I'm actually 264 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: entertaining people with positive information about nature. And that's where 265 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: I classify myself now, is that I want to pass 266 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: on my passion about nature and people really dig it, 267 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: which is great, and I seem to be good at it. 268 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: So I'm in a very comfortable part of my professional life. Especially, 269 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm very comfortable with who I am and what I do, 270 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: and I just want to get better and no big 271 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: people like yourself and others, And I hear how they 272 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: do storytelling, and I think, how can I approve I 273 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: work with these amazingly talented exhibition stuff, you know, and 274 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: watch them and I think, oh, wow, you know they 275 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: take little bits of what they do. So yeah, I'm 276 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: enjoying life a lot at the moment. 277 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's so beautiful. I love it that you're truly 278 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: seizing your yay right now. While from a lind Lad 279 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: to here, I mean it's a very different kind of expedition. 280 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: But obviously, once you've got to taste for Antarctica, you've 281 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: kept coming back. So you know, coming from a tropical background, 282 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: what then drew you to stay here and be on 283 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: this Intrepid boat with the I mean, the team is extraordinary, 284 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: Well I think. 285 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean, once a entar gets in your skin, I mean, 286 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: you want to go back every year, so it's only 287 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: a small proportion of the year I come down and 288 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: do one or two contracts. The way I got to 289 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Intrepid is interesting because I knew about Intrepid, you know, 290 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and I sort of had this idea that was a 291 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: good Australian company and it's got really good environmental values. 292 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: And there's a Facebook group called Expedition Boat People and Sam, 293 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: who I was with, Heavn trapperd and put an ad 294 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: out there looking for Antarctic guides for their inaugural Antarctic trips. 295 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: So I sent Sam an email and said hi Sam, 296 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, and gave them a list of what I've 297 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: been doing. I've already had at the time three seasons 298 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: in Antarctica and you know, a fair wealth of experience. 299 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: And he jumped and said yeah great, you know, and 300 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: we had zoom calls and said look, I've got to 301 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: get you on board, and you know, he offered me 302 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: the starter and this first section. It was exciting to start, 303 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, a new area with a new company. And 304 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: that's why I'm here. And yeah, so I've probably a 305 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: bitten off a bit more than I can chew this year. 306 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: But because I'm crossing over to the Limblad for Christmas 307 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: New Year, so I'm away for eleven weeks. I've never 308 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: been away for eleven weeks before. It's usually you know, 309 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: four or five, so but I get six trips for Antarctica, 310 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: and that's twelve drake crossings too. 311 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: We have just come off the back of a particularly 312 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: rough one, so I think you're heading back into a 313 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: second rough return, aren't you. 314 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah apparently, so I don't enjoy those so much. I 315 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: love the quieter one. We're go and be out looking 316 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: at seabirds. But so, yeah, it gets on diskin There'll 317 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: be a few more seasons. I'm sure it's a bit 318 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: of a young man's game in some way, or young 319 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: person so you ah, yeah, flattery will get you everywhere. 320 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a hard physically and mentally, and you know, 321 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: I go back pretty exhausted and people say, how is 322 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: your holiday? And I think, yeah, right, I wish it 323 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: was a holiday. 324 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: And of course one of the things that you know, 325 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: I don't think I appreciate it until I came is 326 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: that you guys are on all the time. You're living 327 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: with your customers, and then you know, presenting and dealing 328 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: with trying to even stand up straight all the days, 329 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: and you don't get a day in between expeditions. So 330 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: we will dock and they'll clean the ship, and then 331 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: these guys get back on pretty much and go straight 332 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: back out. 333 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: I might get a few hours in ishwe where you 334 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: all go to the internet cafes and get back onto 335 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: the real world for a few hours. But but no, 336 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: it's there's roles and you you know, it's the moment 337 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: you walk out of your cabin in the morning. It 338 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how you feel, if you feel sad or 339 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: you feel happy, or you know you're struggling or mentally tired, 340 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: physically tired. They're not paying to come to listen to 341 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: me complain. They're paid to come to listen to me 342 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: give my pearls a wisdom, and you've got to be 343 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: on it. And the good thing is that I really 344 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: like the clients. I love the guests. I mean the 345 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: majority of them, ninety nine percent of guests that come 346 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: on these expeditions fantastic people, really passionate, you know, and 347 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: I feed off that. The problem in this industry, and 348 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: you probably understand and recognize this, is that you remember 349 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: the one percent. Yeah, you think they're always stand out, 350 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, people are lovely and I love talking to 351 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: people from all walks of life. 352 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: Well, one of the really really cool things that has 353 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: come out of our chats over the past couple of 354 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: days is that you have obviously been through and we 355 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: call these natya like the barriers to your joy along 356 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: the way, and have obviously had like an incredible traumatic 357 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: experience in your journey, but have managed to turn it 358 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: into something that is the most beautiful legacy that you 359 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: could possibly give Julia, So tell us about that. 360 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably one of the proudest things that 361 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: I've ever done from a personal point of view. And 362 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: my late partner, Julia was incredibly talented, great communicator, didn't 363 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: want children, but she was magnificent with children as well. 364 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: We used to go everywhere together, so especially in the 365 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: tropical rainfast and we have a little creature up in 366 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: the tropical rainforst called a Paddy mellon. And I used 367 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: to make the joke, Oh, Julia, look there's Patti o'mellon 368 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: the Irish kangaroo. 369 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: And she laughed. 370 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: She thought I was funny. I mean, and no wonder 371 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: I was so in love with a girl. One of 372 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: the few people's probably ever thought I was really funny. 373 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: And anyways, one day she came to me. I think 374 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: it's about two thousand and nine, she came to me 375 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: and she showed me a draft of a kid's book 376 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: and I read it and it's like, Julia, this is unbelievable. 377 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: This is amazing. And a business partner, Tim who's the 378 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: partner in the publishing company, and a dear friend, he 379 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: did some sketches and everything, and of course it did. 380 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Twenty eleven was when she got sick and so, aged 381 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: thirty three, she passed away Christmas twenty eleven. So you're right, 382 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: you know, I was shattered and broken and the grief 383 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: is horrendous, and anyone listening to this it's had a 384 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: tragedy in there. I will get it. And you know, 385 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: everyone recovers or deals with it differently. Grief never goes away. 386 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: You know. People say it's going to get better. It doesn't. 387 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: He just gets easier to manage, that's all anyway. So 388 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to do this straight after she died, but 389 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have the strength. But a few years later, 390 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: I think, twenty seventeen that I'm going to get this done. 391 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: So I sent it to friends, got people to edit it, 392 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: went to my dear friend Daryl Dixon, and she lives 393 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: down in Cardboard a couple hours away. It loves wildlife, 394 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: beautiful wildlife artists. She did the illustrations. I got some 395 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: people to edit it, and I printed two hundred copies 396 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: of this children's book called patiomellon the Irish Kangaroo anyway, 397 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: so that cost me a lot of money. By the way. 398 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: I sent it to all family and friends and thinking well, 399 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: at least they can have Julia's legacy. And I send 400 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: it to a few publishing companies the Senate to one 401 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: called e K Books in just out of Sydney, and 402 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: they came back and said, we love it, we want 403 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: to buy it. Well, we want it. So they did, 404 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: and they reform out of a tiny bit but actually 405 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: improved it. And now they own it, and so Darryl 406 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: and I both buy wholesale from them. And basically I 407 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: just most of them. I just give them away, I think. 408 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: So I don't think I make any money on it. 409 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: But it's three auditions now so and it's everyone loves it. 410 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: They've got great reviews. I'm friends with Steve Backshel, you 411 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: know Steve's Deadly sixty and he wrote a nice review 412 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: about it, and a few other people, yeah, which has 413 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: been great. It's just probably, as I said, the best 414 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. But the sad part about it 415 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: is I wish Julia she would have been so toughed, 416 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: she would have been so pleased with herself to see it. 417 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: But anyway, it's out there, and I've given you a 418 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: copy now, Sara, to tell the world how wonderful it is. 419 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: I feel so incredibly lucky. We're just flicking through the 420 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 2: first time I've seen it in the flesh, and it 421 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: is absolutely glorious. I am tearing up just reading it. 422 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: It's so so beautiful, Martin, and I feel like it's 423 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: something that the neighborhood needs to know about, like everyone 424 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: is looking for, like especially my generation at the moment, 425 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: we're all having kids. We're all in the first and 426 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: second baby phases, and you know, beautiful Wildlife Books is 427 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: the perfect thing to buy for people. So guys, I 428 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 2: will be including the link absolutely, And there's a beautiful, 429 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: beautiful dedication and photo of Julia in the back written 430 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: by Martin. How was it to write that? 431 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Pretty easy? Really? In between the tears, I mean yeah, 432 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean it comes from my heart and it wasn't 433 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: that difficult. And she was an exceptional It's exceptional and 434 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: everything I mean, and I make a comment in the 435 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: dedication that she had a beautiful smile and she was 436 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: never happier than when she was talking about no wildlife 437 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: or photographing wildlife or just being in nurse. You just 438 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: had this passion for wildlife that, as I said, you know, 439 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: reignited my passion for wildlife, which you know we'll never 440 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: die now. So you know ten years we had together, 441 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: and you know, the ten best years of my life. 442 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: But you know, people say that's wonderful that you found 443 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: your solve much and I just followed it with the 444 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: ten worst years of my life. And people that get grateful, no, 445 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: especially with Julia, I like in it too. You know, 446 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: someone gives you the best drug in the world and 447 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: gives you that for ten years, and then all of 448 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: a sudden someone stops and says you can't have anymore. 449 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: But I'm happy with career, and you know that I'm 450 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: not afraid to love again. I'm sure it will happen again. Monday. 451 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: Well, I really hope that everyone in the eborhood gets 452 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: around this beautiful book because it is just so so gorgeous. 453 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: And I'll make sure to get all the links so 454 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 2: that we can buy copies, and I think I'll actually 455 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: buy a whole heap of copies just for the yeborhood, 456 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: maybe as a giveaway or something, because I want to 457 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: spread the joy of this so much. And I think 458 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: you're right. It's really interesting that there are experience in 459 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 2: your life that do give you the ultimate ultimate joy 460 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: and then maybe take them away, And there has to 461 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: be a way for you to find the small joys 462 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 2: back in between all those moments. So now, how do 463 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: you find little moments that make you yay in the stomach, 464 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: you know that little adrenaline kind of like excitement. 465 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: Well, there's two main things that come to mind, and 466 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: the first one is my dog. 467 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: How did we not talk about this earlier? Every presentation 468 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 2: finishes with a picture of Malaika. 469 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: So, after Julia passed away on twenty eleven, I was 470 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to get a superannuation payout and I was 471 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: able to buy a small house in cans And so 472 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: I got a house in twenty twelve, and I got 473 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: eleven week old labrador puppy and she's called Malaika, which 474 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: is spaheely for angel. And Julia spent a lot of 475 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: time with her parents in Kenya, I knew a bit 476 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: of Swyhely, so it's a little And that Paddy Mellen 477 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: in the back of the book of the children's book 478 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: is also the original Malaika, so I like the name. 479 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: So so there's a few connections there. So when I 480 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: am sitting at home in my couch watching TV or something, 481 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: and Malca's in her bed next to me and she's 482 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: got completely upside down and all these very strange poses, 483 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: there's joy, the pure joy, the fact that she just 484 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: you know that, you know what dogs are like. It's 485 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: unconditional love, and I love that. The second part is things. 486 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: I can go back to an example from a couple 487 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: of days ago, when I'm out doing this job and 488 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: something incredible happens. We had a minky whale. You know, 489 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I've only seen minky's in Antarctica a few times, and 490 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: usually just a fin and a bit of a blow 491 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: and the scout around the ice shelf, and you don't 492 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: see a lot of them. This time, this one came 493 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: up and basically he came up against the little iceberg 494 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: and had a good look at it. So look at us, 495 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: and then thought, that's unusual, and I've seen that before. Wow, 496 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: that's incredible. And then they started swimming under. There was 497 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: four zaoda X all sort of just together and we 498 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: were watching and Minky just started swimming under our zadios 499 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: and you could see it because the water is so clear, 500 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: and then came right up next to us and did 501 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: this for about half an hour. And I'm thinking, some days, 502 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: I think they're paying me to do this job. I've 503 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: had days like that where I think, really, don't tell them, 504 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: And that was one of those days. And I'm so 505 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: glad because you know, we had a bit of a 506 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: rough trip with weather or on this, but people got 507 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: one of the best Antarctic experiences I've ever had. So 508 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: it's those moments that keep driving me saying, oh, yeah, 509 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: I came back to Antarctica, Drake passage and all that 510 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. I think, yeah, but I might get 511 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: another one of those days. There's like a bit of 512 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: a drag, I suppose. 513 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: I will absolutely admit that there was a moment and 514 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: we didn't even have a rough crossing on the way over, 515 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: there was still a moment where I was like, oh 516 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: my god, this like the time it takes you to 517 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: get there, and looking at all these leaders who have 518 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 2: done forty eight crossings and thinking how and then you 519 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: get there and you're like, this is why it is 520 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: so indescribable. And if you and I thought it would 521 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: be hard to find wildlife, like I thought you'd be 522 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: kind of we've done Safari and you really like it's 523 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: a struggle to see certain animals anyway, and out here 524 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: it's like in day one, I'd seen everything. 525 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the penguins. Of course, obviously funny that you 526 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: call me a penguinologist, but the penguins are really we 527 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: know where the colonies are and we know what they do. 528 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: And I mean I can just pretty well put two 529 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: hundred guests in front of penguins and just leave them 530 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: there for an hour. I don't think anyone would be 531 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: disavoided because and then you know we have got some 532 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: good seal sightings. You never know what you're going to get, 533 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, the life is like a box of chocolates. 534 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: I never know what wildlife's going to come out of 535 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: the look. I've had killer whiles. We've watched them at 536 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: a distance with a kill, probably a poul minky were 537 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: and then they've come back to the ship and they've 538 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: sort of stud performing in front of us at vocalizing 539 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: just to come back and say, hey, we've had a 540 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: good feed. We want to say hello and then go again. 541 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: These things are just mind blowing and it's what makes 542 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: Antarctica truly wonderful. But the thing about Antarctica is the 543 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: thing I like the most and probably what keeps me 544 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: coming down here is the pure wilderness. It's pure air, 545 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: it's pure water, pure sound, it's pure wilderness. There's nowhere 546 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: else you can go. I don't think in this planet 547 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: where you are so far away from civilization. I mean, 548 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: humans are constantly trying to completely stuff up this planet, 549 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: and you go to the place where you don't see humans, 550 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: you're just immersed in wildlife and wilderness. And that's what 551 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: I love a lot. 552 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: I think that is what makes it impossible to come 553 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: here and not have some major revelation about human impact 554 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: and the way that we It's very easy to dissociate 555 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: from that, I think in your day to day life 556 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: because you're separated from it. But here seeing how pristine 557 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: it is and knowing like we've done a lot of 558 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: That's why I love the presentations on this trip as well, 559 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: because there's so much education that happens at the same 560 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: time as seeing this Pristina. I heard yesterday there are 561 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: already microplastics in the water here, and yet there is nothing. 562 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 2: The quickest way to get here is still a two 563 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: to three day drake passage on a boat. You can't 564 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: fly here, and yet still plastics have made their way 565 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: into the waters. So it's so huge. There's a lot 566 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: of brain activity going on right now for me. 567 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, you can watch the 568 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: wonderful documentaries of the BBC Make and David Attenborough and 569 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: you can to a certain extent relate to it, but 570 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: when you're actually living it, like you've just done this 571 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: last trip, I think it comes home. And some wonderful 572 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: educators Susie gave a great talk about plastics and talk 573 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: about whales and you know, all the things that people say, 574 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: we don't want to lose this, and that's that's really important. 575 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: And most of the people coming down here are already 576 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: on board. You know, we are in some ways preaching 577 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: to the converted, but it's the converted the ambassadorship that 578 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: they can go back and say, hey, Antarctica is fantastic, 579 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: but you know, we need to start doing some things 580 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: and anything you can do, you know, start just locally, 581 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: anything you can do, please do it. I mean, you know, 582 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: we tell people don't buy Crewe oil stuff, you know, 583 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: because we know that that's directly affecting penguin and seal populations. 584 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: So even at home, and I'm sure you talk about 585 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: this a lot in your field, that there's little changes 586 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: can make big differences. And if we don't do it, 587 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: who's going to do it? 588 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: And I think those little changes, it's the same in 589 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: any area any way that you want to change your life. 590 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: It all happens in little changes, not necessarily the big 591 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: drastic let's all. You know, I don't know, go and 592 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,719 Speaker 2: live off greed forever. You know, you can do smaller 593 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: things along the way. Martin, this was absolutely wonderful to 594 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: finish off. This is something I ask everyone because I 595 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: love quotes so much. Is there a quote that you 596 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: have that's your favorite? 597 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: That's a good question. Look, I suppose since I know 598 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: the tragedy hit by life and then I've had to 599 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: bounce back, And don't get me wrong, you know that 600 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: was a long, hard, difficult battle, I suppose it's now 601 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: that what goes on in my head is that every 602 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: day is precious. Live your best life as much as 603 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: you possibly get. Don't put things off. If you want 604 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: to go and see Antarctica, save up, do it, you 605 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: do it now. If you want to go to the Amazon, 606 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: or you want to go to Africa, or you want 607 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: to go to Europe, whatever, just live your life. Don't 608 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: ever put things off and say I'm going to do it. 609 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: So that's not quite a quote, but it's philosophy. 610 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: I suppose it's pretty much exactly the philosophy of this 611 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: entire show. So that was the perfect way to end. 612 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 613 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: For joining my pleasure. Thanks for having me. 614 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: Can you see why I fell in love with this man? 615 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: The way he talks about love and legacy and wildlife 616 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: just blows me away. I'm sure many of you listening 617 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: will have a child in your life who could be 618 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: spoiled with the magic of Patio o'melon the Irish Kangaroo, 619 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 2: So please get behind him and grab a copy if 620 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: you can. It is linked in the show notes for 621 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: you directly. And Martin is just one of the many 622 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: incredible expedition leaders whose brains I got to pick over 623 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: our time on board, and I honestly wish we'd had 624 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: longer just to sit and talk to them about what 625 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: led them to their jobs in the most remote part 626 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: of the world. You'll get a Reflections episode next up 627 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: with and and eventually I will then piece together some 628 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: more stories from the audio that we captured. I feel 629 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: like this will probably be a polar podcast for a 630 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: little while now, so buckle in if you have any 631 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: questions too. I've been answering in as much detail as 632 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: I can on Instagram, and there's a Saved Antarctica highlight 633 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: that has the answers. As usual, I have written quite 634 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: a few essays on some of the topics to make 635 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: sure you have as much detail as I can give you, 636 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: so head over there for more information. And in the meantime, 637 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: I hope you're all having a wonderful week slash month 638 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: slash end of the year and are seizing your yay