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Speaker 2: From mom and may. I welcome to the spill your

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Speaker 2: daily pop culture fixed.

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Speaker 1: I'm m Vernum and I'm Anisia Risworn jumping.

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Speaker 3: Out of the producer cave today as you guys call it,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, we actually have you in a proper

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Speaker 1: It's actually wild.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to feel like a little corner anymore.

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Speaker 1: Just keeping Laura's well. Actually you're in Laura's seat. I'm

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Speaker 1: keeping your seat well.

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Speaker 2: I feel very powerful, as you should see as you should.

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Speaker 2: Laura's away. She is currently swimming with some manta race.

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Speaker 1: I see that for her.

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Speaker 2: In Hawaii, you know what. I feel like a lot

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Speaker 2: of people wouldn't pick this for LB. But she's a

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Speaker 2: type of holiday person that loves doing so much.

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Speaker 1: She loves an adventure.

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Speaker 2: She loves advent, which I feel like is so anti

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Speaker 3: I know I would think she would want to go

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Speaker 3: I see that for you as well. But for her,

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Speaker 3: she wants to be like on a mountain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we could never holiday together because she's like, I

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Shark Gave. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Literally, she loves cave so much crazy. On the show today,

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Speaker 2: we are talking about a celebrity Halloween costume that sent

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Speaker 2: us in the spiral of finding out the pettiest thing

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Speaker 2: celebrities have done after a breakup. Also, Reese Witherspoon said

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Speaker 2: something very interesting about dating on Dax Shepherd's podcast, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like we have opposing views on it.

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Speaker 3: But first, I know there's something you really wanted to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought, oh my god, tragedy, what's happened?

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Speaker 1: She can't come in tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: But that's because I hadn't seen the links that you

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Speaker 3: sent yet to explain why you were crying. So do

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Speaker 3: you want to tell everyone what got you so upset? Well,

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Speaker 2: Long time listeners of the spill would know. I feel

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Speaker 2: that is there's a new musical that has just landed

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Speaker 2: in London's West End and it's Paddington the Musical.

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Speaker 1: And your eyes look listening.

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Speaker 2: I really can't talk about this because I'm gonna cry,

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Speaker 2: like book those flights to London like they've actually made

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Speaker 2: Paddington the Musical And if you look at these, I

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Speaker 2: feel like we should post these on our socials. At

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Speaker 2: a Spill podcast on Instagram, the photos of Paddington Bear

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Speaker 1: Cute, so cute.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just want to like hold him

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Speaker 3: All the reactions online, which could have come from you,

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Speaker 2: So she convinces Paddington to go travel to London, like

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Speaker 2: He's so sad. And then the Brown family finds him

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Speaker 2: So James like actually like makes Paddington like have expressions

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Speaker 1: So is there other songs in this like original music?

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Speaker 3: The music in the snippet that they released in the

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get em on a flight to London.

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Speaker 3: And So one of my favorite things is watching people

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Speaker 3: And obviously one of the girls in Hollywood doing that

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Speaker 1: Well that's a sign, isn't it. You're going through some

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Speaker 2: She's just like us.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's just made the big move from LA to

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very wrong.

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Speaker 2: Hanging out with your hot friends on a yacht exactly.

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Speaker 3: She posted on an instant stories like she's in New

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Speaker 2: Do you ship her with zac Efron?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Thank god for one thing that she's done, which some

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Speaker 3: Eyes are on you when you're going through a break down.

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Speaker 2: She really didn't want it, like people to make any connection.

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Speaker 2: Who's like I did see his costume the fish, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's what he went as. And he the caption was

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Speaker 2: But his costume was really good.

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Speaker 2: Calloween and it's meant to be scary and she's a

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Speaker 3: That is true according to Horrific, But he did get

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Speaker 3: me thinking about if Nina did do this intentionally. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I love a little bit of a petty breakup moment,

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Speaker 1: The public eye and you just are like, I just

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Speaker 2: And especially for celebrities, because I feel like it gives

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're doing it in public. At least we

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Speaker 3: That's we can do whatever we want exactly. Are you

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Speaker 2: It's hard because I think a lot of people would

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Speaker 2: People would see and I write a lot about like

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Speaker 1: It's your job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can see like people i've dated reading

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Speaker 2: Fair. But I feel like sometimes you're allowed to be petty,

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Speaker 2: like it's your story exactly, as long as you're like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like dress up is them for Halloween.

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Speaker 1: That's the message here.

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Speaker 3: So we did get me thinking about other I guess

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I know this, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And so I just think this is so random.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the mother in law has spoken to reporters

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Speaker 3: it's called it was the Spanish song. It's called Monotonia,

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Speaker 2: I can imagine it being so beautiful in just this witch.

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Speaker 1: And imagine his mum calling him, being like, this girl's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That's actually such a good strategy though, because like is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I guess it's just decorative.

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Speaker 2: And it's not like directed to him, it's directed to

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Speaker 1: That's true. It's broad. She could be like, hello, she took.

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Speaker 2: A really interesting artistic direction with this, which I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of when.

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Speaker 2: Lana Delray broke up with her ex, and I think

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Speaker 2: this is also an alleged situation, but when she was

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Speaker 1: Oh, I remember this happening. I love that though.

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Speaker 3: If you've got that power and that money to make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want a petty girl with a lot

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Speaker 1: No want You've got to be poor.

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Speaker 2: If you got to be like us, Yeah, I kin't

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Speaker 3: Do you have any other favorite celeb breakup messy moments?

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Speaker 2: I've got like a few Taylor Swift ones and she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: off like all of these Barbie dolls, like the Taylor

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Speaker 2: she holds up the Joe Jonas Brother's Barbie doll, and

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Speaker 2: so he can break up with other dolls.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, because he famously broke up with her

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Speaker 2: Call over the phone. That's what for everyone always is about.

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Speaker 3: But honestly, if you do that, you deserve to have

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Speaker 3: give him a path, well talking about it, he's like

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Speaker 1: Who about his teen father? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that was the worst thing he's ever done

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Speaker 1: Oh do I remember Dear John?

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Speaker 2: He did Dear John he dated Taylorswift and then after

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Speaker 3: I think she has a lyric about their age gap

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Speaker 2: Adult men know how to be petty in breakups. Well, this,

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Speaker 2: so that's not petty to me, Like, you're just saying

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Speaker 3: Like her, Yeah, and you're not even trying to disclose

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Speaker 1: That's the whole story.

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Speaker 3: That reminds me a little bit of the one mine

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Speaker 3: It's Taylor and Calvin Harris. Oh they got petty.

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Speaker 3: So Taylor Swift was on Calvin Harris's track This is

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Speaker 3: and she was under this pseudonym called Mills Joeberg, because

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Speaker 1: That it was Taylor on the track. It wasn't the pseudonym.

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Speaker 3: They changed the writing credit to actually be Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: There's weird though, like being with someone having a pseudonym,

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it was the first thing,

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Speaker 1: So he goes on this Twitter rampage a little bit

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Speaker 2: Men don't know how to be petty and breakups. I

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there's no fun than that for us.

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00:17:53,664 --> 00:17:55,304
Speaker 3: And also like I don't know if like adult men

437
00:17:55,344 --> 00:17:57,384
Speaker 3: going through a breakup should be allowed social media.

438
00:17:57,624 --> 00:17:59,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just have a little mandated break.

439
00:18:00,264 --> 00:18:02,424
Speaker 3: It's so chaotic because he kind of goes between being

440
00:18:02,504 --> 00:18:03,904
Speaker 3: really positive and really negative and he.

441
00:18:03,904 --> 00:18:06,464
Speaker 1: Goes, God, bless everyone, have a beautiful day.

442
00:18:06,904 --> 00:18:09,664
Speaker 3: Please focus on the positive aspects of your life, because

443
00:18:09,704 --> 00:18:12,264
Speaker 3: you've earned a great one. And then he goes, I

444
00:18:12,304 --> 00:18:14,184
Speaker 3: know you're off on tour and you need someone new

445
00:18:14,184 --> 00:18:16,024
Speaker 3: to try and bury like Katie et cetera.

446
00:18:16,184 --> 00:18:18,544
Speaker 1: But I'm not that guy. Sorry, I won't allow it.

447
00:18:18,824 --> 00:18:20,784
Speaker 2: Also, these are just straight tweets, so it's not like

448
00:18:20,824 --> 00:18:21,224
Speaker 2: he's like.

449
00:18:21,264 --> 00:18:23,824
Speaker 1: No contact, no, no one's tagged.

450
00:18:24,224 --> 00:18:26,264
Speaker 3: I figure, if you're happy in your new relationship, you

451
00:18:26,304 --> 00:18:28,384
Speaker 3: should focus on that instead of trying to tear your

452
00:18:28,424 --> 00:18:31,424
Speaker 3: EXBF down for something to do hurtful to me at

453
00:18:31,424 --> 00:18:33,384
Speaker 3: this point that her and her team would go so

454
00:18:33,584 --> 00:18:35,824
Speaker 3: far out of their way to try and make me

455
00:18:35,904 --> 00:18:37,784
Speaker 3: look bad at this stage though, then he has an

456
00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:40,184
Speaker 3: emoji that's like hmm, but it's holding his chin.

457
00:18:41,304 --> 00:18:42,304
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

458
00:18:42,504 --> 00:18:44,424
Speaker 3: And then just to set the record straight, he goes,

459
00:18:44,544 --> 00:18:46,944
Speaker 3: I wrote the music, produce the song, arranged it, and

460
00:18:46,944 --> 00:18:49,824
Speaker 3: cut the vocals though and initially she wanted it kept secret,

461
00:18:49,944 --> 00:18:50,984
Speaker 3: hence the pseudonym.

462
00:18:51,024 --> 00:18:52,464
Speaker 1: But then this last one really could.

463
00:18:52,344 --> 00:18:56,624
Speaker 2: Give the streamline conscious like it's like, so take a

464
00:18:56,664 --> 00:18:57,744
Speaker 2: break between the tweets.

465
00:18:58,144 --> 00:19:00,704
Speaker 3: And then this one really because he goes and she

466
00:19:00,824 --> 00:19:03,184
Speaker 3: sings on a little bit of it too, upside down

467
00:19:03,264 --> 00:19:06,224
Speaker 3: smiley amazing lyric writer, and she smashed it as usual.

468
00:19:06,584 --> 00:19:08,144
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he did full three six.

469
00:19:08,544 --> 00:19:10,264
Speaker 1: He's like maybe someone was like soften it.

470
00:19:10,744 --> 00:19:13,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, he starts off good, then goes really dark and

471
00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:15,504
Speaker 2: then I think his pr just knocked on his way.

472
00:19:15,584 --> 00:19:17,224
Speaker 2: Hey mate, she's gonna.

473
00:19:16,984 --> 00:19:19,424
Speaker 3: Sew us add the upside down. Smile yea, that'll save us.

474
00:19:19,504 --> 00:19:21,304
Speaker 3: Just tell her, just tell everyone she's the best. And

475
00:19:21,304 --> 00:19:24,824
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, so we both.

476
00:19:24,584 --> 00:19:25,344
Speaker 1: Mentioned tales with there.

477
00:19:25,384 --> 00:19:27,224
Speaker 3: I do feel like she's sort of I don't actually

478
00:19:27,224 --> 00:19:28,584
Speaker 3: think she was petty in this situation.

479
00:19:28,664 --> 00:19:30,304
Speaker 1: Do you what's your read on that? Is it Calvin

480
00:19:30,304 --> 00:19:30,944
Speaker 1: being petty.

481
00:19:30,824 --> 00:19:32,864
Speaker 2: Or her in the tweets?

482
00:19:33,304 --> 00:19:35,064
Speaker 1: Well, in the whole situation with this is what you

483
00:19:35,104 --> 00:19:35,544
Speaker 1: came for.

484
00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:37,904
Speaker 3: Do you think her putting her actual name on it

485
00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:39,424
Speaker 3: post break up was her being petty?

486
00:19:39,544 --> 00:19:40,664
Speaker 1: Or do you think him do it?

487
00:19:40,704 --> 00:19:42,264
Speaker 3: I mean he was obviously being petty, but I mean

488
00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:43,304
Speaker 3: maybe she played a role as well.

489
00:19:43,384 --> 00:19:46,064
Speaker 2: I think she initially was petty, but she did it

490
00:19:46,104 --> 00:19:48,944
Speaker 2: the right way where it was like kind of hidden. Yeah,

491
00:19:48,984 --> 00:19:50,944
Speaker 2: and then that could have been the thing that everyone

492
00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:53,224
Speaker 2: ran with. But because he went on top of that,

493
00:19:53,704 --> 00:19:56,304
Speaker 2: it just made it a way worse. Everyone was like, Okay,

494
00:19:56,464 --> 00:19:57,784
Speaker 2: this is too much now.

495
00:19:57,664 --> 00:19:59,344
Speaker 1: Well, he would have looked better if, like you said,

496
00:19:59,384 --> 00:20:00,024
Speaker 1: he just left it.

497
00:20:00,304 --> 00:20:02,744
Speaker 3: And then I think he made her look better, Yeah,

498
00:20:02,744 --> 00:20:04,544
Speaker 3: because she was just quiet. She's just like I'm kissing

499
00:20:04,584 --> 00:20:07,224
Speaker 3: Tom Hddleson in Australia and he's like, I'm tweeting.

500
00:20:06,824 --> 00:20:08,584
Speaker 2: On the couch, amazing cigar.

501
00:20:08,824 --> 00:20:09,624
Speaker 1: Not over this at all.

502
00:20:11,464 --> 00:20:14,984
Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I think Yeah, celebrity petty breakups.

503
00:20:15,504 --> 00:20:17,024
Speaker 2: I think on your my new favorite thing. I think

504
00:20:17,024 --> 00:20:17,984
Speaker 2: you're right, Nan.

505
00:20:19,824 --> 00:20:19,944
Speaker 3: So.

506
00:20:20,504 --> 00:20:25,544
Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon was recently interviewed on Armshare Expert, the podcast

507
00:20:25,584 --> 00:20:29,304
Speaker 2: by Dak Shephard and Monica Padman, and like, I love

508
00:20:29,304 --> 00:20:32,264
Speaker 2: it when a list of celebrities do long form interviews

509
00:20:32,624 --> 00:20:35,304
Speaker 2: because Reese Witherspoon is one of those people. She's kind

510
00:20:35,304 --> 00:20:36,984
Speaker 2: of like a Mindy Kaling to me, where I'm like,

511
00:20:37,384 --> 00:20:39,984
Speaker 2: I will take whatever you say on board as Bible

512
00:20:40,104 --> 00:20:43,904
Speaker 2: as Bible, like you've been through so much, you know

513
00:20:44,064 --> 00:20:47,624
Speaker 2: exactly how I'm feeling as a young woman. And even

514
00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:49,544
Speaker 2: like the way like she would talk to Monica on

515
00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:51,984
Speaker 2: the podcast, she gave us so much like life advice.

516
00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:54,744
Speaker 2: I was like, I would have died to be there. Yeah,

517
00:20:54,784 --> 00:20:57,464
Speaker 2: it was just so good and they were talking a

518
00:20:57,504 --> 00:21:01,424
Speaker 2: lot about like being parents, especially like the importance of

519
00:21:01,504 --> 00:21:04,184
Speaker 2: having like father figures in your life, but she also

520
00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:08,704
Speaker 2: talked a lot about dating, especially modern dating, and Dax

521
00:21:08,784 --> 00:21:11,184
Speaker 2: was saying how he thinks the system is broken and

522
00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:14,024
Speaker 2: that he has a beautiful friend, and she was telling

523
00:21:14,104 --> 00:21:16,584
Speaker 2: him that men don't approach her or friends in bars

524
00:21:16,624 --> 00:21:19,704
Speaker 2: or restaurants anymore, and he said dudes need to be

525
00:21:19,744 --> 00:21:22,984
Speaker 2: going up to girls and asking them for numbers. And

526
00:21:23,024 --> 00:21:25,664
Speaker 2: then Reese said that she has a theory about it,

527
00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:28,304
Speaker 2: and she says that she feels like there's been a

528
00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:31,104
Speaker 2: decline in rom coms in the past fifteen years, whether

529
00:21:31,144 --> 00:21:33,464
Speaker 2: that's just rom comms in general or like a list

530
00:21:33,504 --> 00:21:35,584
Speaker 2: of celebrities acting in rom coms has just been a

531
00:21:35,624 --> 00:21:38,664
Speaker 2: huge decline, And she says that rom coms in both

532
00:21:38,744 --> 00:21:42,544
Speaker 2: movies and television shows are really important because they're the

533
00:21:42,544 --> 00:21:45,024
Speaker 2: shows and movies you would have watched when you're like eleven, twelve,

534
00:21:45,104 --> 00:21:49,544
Speaker 2: thirteen that made you imagine and visualize dating skills. And

535
00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:52,064
Speaker 2: now they're kind of scene as being made as like

536
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,064
Speaker 2: rom coms don't usually win the awards, right, so now

537
00:21:55,104 --> 00:21:57,264
Speaker 2: they're seen as being like a bit cringey, like a

538
00:21:57,264 --> 00:21:59,224
Speaker 2: lot of young people don't want to watch them, So

539
00:21:59,264 --> 00:22:01,544
Speaker 2: now young people don't have rom coms to lean on

540
00:22:02,104 --> 00:22:06,184
Speaker 2: to know how to engage in like dating behaviors. Yeah, okay,

541
00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:07,784
Speaker 2: what do you think about So.

542
00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:11,264
Speaker 3: She's saying that that is the reason and modern dat sucks.

543
00:22:11,544 --> 00:22:16,744
Speaker 2: Yes, Basically, she's like, that's why men aren't approaching women anymore. Basically,

544
00:22:17,304 --> 00:22:18,064
Speaker 2: I think I take.

545
00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:20,104
Speaker 3: Issue with this theory because I mean, I'm the biggest

546
00:22:20,184 --> 00:22:22,864
Speaker 3: rom com girly around, and I do agree that we

547
00:22:22,984 --> 00:22:25,144
Speaker 3: learn a lot of what we think about love and

548
00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:29,024
Speaker 3: how we approach dating situations from watching rom coms. I

549
00:22:29,064 --> 00:22:32,384
Speaker 3: think the decline in people approaching other people in person

550
00:22:32,464 --> 00:22:34,024
Speaker 3: has a lot more to do with dating.

551
00:22:33,824 --> 00:22:36,064
Speaker 1: App culture, because I think you could have all.

552
00:22:35,984 --> 00:22:38,504
Speaker 3: The wonderful rom coms in the world to watch and

553
00:22:38,544 --> 00:22:40,824
Speaker 3: model great relationships and flirting skills.

554
00:22:40,904 --> 00:22:42,664
Speaker 1: But when you give people an option.

555
00:22:43,064 --> 00:22:46,144
Speaker 3: To avoid doing the scary thing, which is going up

556
00:22:46,184 --> 00:22:48,904
Speaker 3: to a stranger and risking rejection and risking looking like

557
00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:51,224
Speaker 3: a loser, and instead you can just go home and

558
00:22:51,224 --> 00:22:53,584
Speaker 3: swipe and send a few messages and feel it out

559
00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:55,664
Speaker 3: and you both know what you're there for before you

560
00:22:55,744 --> 00:22:58,504
Speaker 3: meet up on the date you're taking that risk element out,

561
00:22:58,544 --> 00:23:01,024
Speaker 3: and I think that has a lot more to do

562
00:23:01,104 --> 00:23:03,624
Speaker 3: with why we're seeing that decline in people approaching other

563
00:23:03,664 --> 00:23:06,664
Speaker 3: people as opposed to rom com culture. Although I do

564
00:23:06,704 --> 00:23:08,744
Speaker 3: agree with her obviously on the decline of rom coms,

565
00:23:08,744 --> 00:23:10,304
Speaker 3: but I just don't think that is the reason.

566
00:23:10,424 --> 00:23:13,824
Speaker 2: What do you think? I kind of agree with you. Firstly,

567
00:23:13,904 --> 00:23:16,464
Speaker 2: Dak's saying that, like, men need to be approaching women

568
00:23:16,504 --> 00:23:19,104
Speaker 2: in bars and restaurants. I'm like, please don't approach me

569
00:23:19,104 --> 00:23:19,904
Speaker 2: in a bar and restaurant.

570
00:23:19,984 --> 00:23:20,184
Speaker 3: What.

571
00:23:20,584 --> 00:23:22,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very much like I feel like there's a

572
00:23:22,904 --> 00:23:24,784
Speaker 2: time and place, Like there are times where I'm at

573
00:23:24,784 --> 00:23:27,024
Speaker 2: a bar and a restaurant where I'm like, if I

574
00:23:27,104 --> 00:23:29,904
Speaker 2: meet someone here, if everyone seems like a hottie, then yeah,

575
00:23:29,944 --> 00:23:31,464
Speaker 2: I would love to get someone's number.

576
00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:32,944
Speaker 1: But how do the men know if you're in that

577
00:23:32,984 --> 00:23:33,784
Speaker 1: mood exactly?

578
00:23:33,824 --> 00:23:34,184
Speaker 2: They don't know.

579
00:23:34,464 --> 00:23:35,184
Speaker 1: Don't risk it.

580
00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,784
Speaker 2: But there are times where I'm like, I'm just with

581
00:23:36,824 --> 00:23:38,864
Speaker 2: my friends and I'm like talking to them and we're

582
00:23:38,904 --> 00:23:40,504
Speaker 2: engaging in a story and one of them is probably

583
00:23:40,504 --> 00:23:42,544
Speaker 2: talking about a breakup and we're all like invested in this,

584
00:23:42,904 --> 00:23:44,464
Speaker 2: and a man will come and like be like, so,

585
00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:46,144
Speaker 2: what are you girls? Doing here, I'm like, get away

586
00:23:46,184 --> 00:23:46,504
Speaker 2: from me.

587
00:23:46,944 --> 00:23:49,304
Speaker 1: But how are they supposed to read that situation? So

588
00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:50,384
Speaker 1: you're just saying just don't.

589
00:23:50,464 --> 00:23:52,144
Speaker 2: Just don't do it. Like, I'm actually not a fan

590
00:23:52,224 --> 00:23:55,304
Speaker 2: of being approached in public as much, and I do

591
00:23:55,344 --> 00:23:57,624
Speaker 2: think that's changed as I've gotten older. Like when I

592
00:23:57,704 --> 00:24:00,344
Speaker 2: was in my early to mid twenties, I was very

593
00:24:00,504 --> 00:24:03,624
Speaker 2: much like I want someone to approach me at a bar,

594
00:24:04,424 --> 00:24:06,744
Speaker 2: and now I think it's so true, like dating apps

595
00:24:06,744 --> 00:24:08,704
Speaker 2: have changed that game for me, but I think for

596
00:24:08,744 --> 00:24:12,184
Speaker 2: the better. Where now when I dating, I'm very much

597
00:24:12,264 --> 00:24:15,624
Speaker 2: comfortable in knowing that my dating life exists in like

598
00:24:15,784 --> 00:24:18,024
Speaker 2: the time I set aside to be on the dating

599
00:24:18,064 --> 00:24:20,704
Speaker 2: apps and then the other time I just want to

600
00:24:20,744 --> 00:24:22,504
Speaker 2: live my life and not have to think about a man.

601
00:24:22,584 --> 00:24:23,944
Speaker 1: So it's like admin sort of for you.

602
00:24:25,104 --> 00:24:27,544
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like I do mind like dating apps stuff,

603
00:24:27,664 --> 00:24:28,984
Speaker 2: and then I go on a date from that, like

604
00:24:29,024 --> 00:24:31,464
Speaker 2: I don't want to be out and feel like I

605
00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:33,064
Speaker 2: need to put on a show for a guy or

606
00:24:33,064 --> 00:24:34,784
Speaker 2: feel like I need to have like these how to

607
00:24:34,824 --> 00:24:38,224
Speaker 2: flirt with men like rules in my head. And yeah,

608
00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:39,664
Speaker 2: and I'm like, if like if I was at a

609
00:24:39,704 --> 00:24:41,944
Speaker 2: bar by myself, fine.

610
00:24:41,624 --> 00:24:43,104
Speaker 1: But are you ever at a bar by yourself?

611
00:24:43,184 --> 00:24:46,344
Speaker 2: Sometimes I got your dinners by myself, I feel like,

612
00:24:46,624 --> 00:24:48,784
Speaker 2: and that's usually when men, I feel like I'm most

613
00:24:48,824 --> 00:24:50,744
Speaker 2: likely to approach you. Like, the only times men have

614
00:24:50,784 --> 00:24:52,464
Speaker 2: actually approached me is when I've been by myself.

615
00:24:52,704 --> 00:24:54,624
Speaker 3: See, I think we're so opposite on this because I

616
00:24:54,744 --> 00:24:56,584
Speaker 3: moved through the world wanting to be approached.

617
00:24:56,624 --> 00:24:58,184
Speaker 1: I'm like, talking to you the lift, talk to me

618
00:24:58,184 --> 00:24:59,464
Speaker 1: at the bar, talk to about.

619
00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:01,944
Speaker 2: Blame them, because like we're giving them confusing.

620
00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:03,304
Speaker 1: We are giving them confusing signals.

621
00:25:03,384 --> 00:25:06,864
Speaker 3: But I think my toxic over romanticizing of life has

622
00:25:06,904 --> 00:25:09,144
Speaker 3: come from rom coms to take you back to a recess.

623
00:25:09,224 --> 00:25:10,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think that.

624
00:25:11,184 --> 00:25:14,424
Speaker 2: I actually think it's toxic. Really, I think what's different

625
00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:17,064
Speaker 2: from what Reese is saying. So she's saying the decline

626
00:25:17,104 --> 00:25:20,464
Speaker 2: of rom coms has happened, and because of the decline,

627
00:25:20,544 --> 00:25:22,504
Speaker 2: we don't know how to date anymore. But I think

628
00:25:22,584 --> 00:25:24,824
Speaker 2: we don't know how to date anymore because rom coms

629
00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,264
Speaker 2: have historically only been targeted to women.

630
00:25:27,944 --> 00:25:29,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Men didn't get that message.

631
00:25:29,784 --> 00:25:32,024
Speaker 2: Men didn't get that messaging. So I think that's what

632
00:25:32,224 --> 00:25:34,664
Speaker 2: rom COM's impact has had on dating, where women have

633
00:25:34,864 --> 00:25:38,664
Speaker 2: this expectation and men have a totally different expectation. And

634
00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:41,224
Speaker 2: I think for rom coms to actually work, even if

635
00:25:41,304 --> 00:25:43,104
Speaker 2: we get like a surge of rom coms now after

636
00:25:43,144 --> 00:25:45,344
Speaker 2: this interview, maybe it works as magic. I don't think

637
00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:47,304
Speaker 2: anything will change because we'll still be women. And I'm

638
00:25:47,304 --> 00:25:51,984
Speaker 2: obviously speaking from my experiences to like heterosexual relationships all

639
00:25:52,104 --> 00:25:55,624
Speaker 2: like the movies that my friends watch and like internalize

640
00:25:55,624 --> 00:25:57,504
Speaker 2: and we discuss and we talk about like the dating

641
00:25:57,504 --> 00:25:59,384
Speaker 2: and relationship that happened in those movies men have no

642
00:25:59,464 --> 00:26:02,304
Speaker 2: idea about. And similarly, like when she talks about she

643
00:26:02,304 --> 00:26:05,864
Speaker 2: says that she watches Young Sheldon with her son, even

644
00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:08,344
Speaker 2: with Young Sheldon, like I've seen a few Episodes's a

645
00:26:08,384 --> 00:26:11,984
Speaker 2: good show. I only know men who watch that show. Yeah, okay,

646
00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:14,224
Speaker 2: I actually don't know any women and the I think

647
00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:16,624
Speaker 2: I have two friends who watched that show where women,

648
00:26:16,824 --> 00:26:18,904
Speaker 2: and they watch it because their partners told them to

649
00:26:18,944 --> 00:26:21,024
Speaker 2: watch it, and they watch it together interest. So I

650
00:26:21,064 --> 00:26:23,544
Speaker 2: think it's like there's just connect where rom coms haven't

651
00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:25,544
Speaker 2: been able to appeal to both.

652
00:26:26,104 --> 00:26:29,064
Speaker 3: Maybe we need like a government campaign for male targeted

653
00:26:29,184 --> 00:26:31,784
Speaker 3: romantic comedy. And if we get that off, the ground

654
00:26:32,344 --> 00:26:32,904
Speaker 3: level the plane.

655
00:26:32,944 --> 00:26:33,584
Speaker 1: I think we're.

656
00:26:33,464 --> 00:26:35,584
Speaker 2: Getting close, Like I feel like something that was really

657
00:26:35,624 --> 00:26:40,464
Speaker 2: close was probably that new Netflix show Mindy Kelling's Netflix

658
00:26:40,464 --> 00:26:43,584
Speaker 2: show Running Point, Oh Yes, Yeah, with Kate Hudson, and

659
00:26:43,624 --> 00:26:46,224
Speaker 2: that I think was kind of appealing to both masses

660
00:26:46,224 --> 00:26:49,384
Speaker 2: because it was sport comedy. We get them and then

661
00:26:49,384 --> 00:26:52,744
Speaker 2: but yes, sport comedy. But the like underlining consensus of

662
00:26:52,784 --> 00:26:54,904
Speaker 2: that show was romantic endeavors.

663
00:26:55,144 --> 00:26:56,864
Speaker 3: Maybe we just need to toss in like a monster

664
00:26:56,904 --> 00:27:00,184
Speaker 3: truck or something. We need something the cinema and they're like,

665
00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:02,184
Speaker 3: what am I watching? Bam, It's a love story.

666
00:27:02,224 --> 00:27:04,664
Speaker 2: It's a love story, And I feel like, unless we

667
00:27:04,704 --> 00:27:07,224
Speaker 2: get there, which is why I think movies that kind

668
00:27:07,224 --> 00:27:09,744
Speaker 2: of connect both men and women end up being quite

669
00:27:09,744 --> 00:27:13,304
Speaker 2: like tragedy really scary MeVis like materialists, Like I know

670
00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:15,184
Speaker 2: both men and women who watched that movie and had

671
00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:17,264
Speaker 2: made in discussions on that. But that's not a com at.

672
00:27:17,144 --> 00:27:17,744
Speaker 1: A horror movie.

673
00:27:17,784 --> 00:27:20,384
Speaker 2: It's a horror movie. But that's also probably like what

674
00:27:20,544 --> 00:27:22,904
Speaker 2: depicts dating in the most accurate sense right now.

675
00:27:23,184 --> 00:27:25,624
Speaker 3: Do you think there are any things that you've taken

676
00:27:25,704 --> 00:27:28,624
Speaker 3: from either rom com shows or movies that you've taken

677
00:27:28,664 --> 00:27:30,824
Speaker 3: into your actual dating life that are on the negative side.

678
00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:35,504
Speaker 2: So my favorite rom coms that I watched when I

679
00:27:35,544 --> 00:27:39,784
Speaker 2: was younger was Suddenly Thirty That's Great and Ten Things

680
00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:43,664
Speaker 2: I Hate About You, Yeah, And I realized a similar

681
00:27:43,824 --> 00:27:46,584
Speaker 2: theme in both of those movies is that the women

682
00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:51,144
Speaker 2: in those movies actually treat the men quite shit. Yeah,

683
00:27:51,224 --> 00:27:54,704
Speaker 2: and then they still get their happy ending after Well,

684
00:27:54,744 --> 00:27:56,864
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I forget. Like, when I was

685
00:27:56,904 --> 00:27:59,904
Speaker 2: younger and I was dating, I did have like this

686
00:28:00,064 --> 00:28:03,304
Speaker 2: kind of main character energy where I was just coming

687
00:28:03,304 --> 00:28:06,264
Speaker 2: in so hot, and like, I think there was also

688
00:28:06,304 --> 00:28:07,904
Speaker 2: a period of my time when I was younger I

689
00:28:07,984 --> 00:28:10,504
Speaker 2: just hated men, yeah, and I just like was not

690
00:28:10,544 --> 00:28:12,064
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I feel like so many young women

691
00:28:12,104 --> 00:28:14,864
Speaker 2: go through this where you have so many bad experiences

692
00:28:14,904 --> 00:28:18,064
Speaker 2: with men, like awful, awful experiences which are so true,

693
00:28:18,304 --> 00:28:21,024
Speaker 2: and it just gives you this like frame of mind

694
00:28:21,064 --> 00:28:23,464
Speaker 2: where you're like, I actually don't can't trust a man

695
00:28:23,544 --> 00:28:23,864
Speaker 2: at all.

696
00:28:23,984 --> 00:28:24,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do it.

697
00:28:24,784 --> 00:28:26,224
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't do it. And then I would just

698
00:28:26,224 --> 00:28:28,904
Speaker 2: go on these dates already so angry at them, and

699
00:28:28,944 --> 00:28:31,464
Speaker 2: that would be like anger towards men was just my

700
00:28:32,024 --> 00:28:34,504
Speaker 2: underlining feeling towards them. All the time, every time I

701
00:28:34,544 --> 00:28:37,704
Speaker 2: was dating them. And I think that also spurred from

702
00:28:37,984 --> 00:28:40,224
Speaker 2: with these rom coms. It was like showing me that

703
00:28:40,904 --> 00:28:43,024
Speaker 2: you can be kind of mean to men and they'll

704
00:28:43,024 --> 00:28:46,184
Speaker 2: still come around. Interesting, And I'm like, that's so not true,

705
00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:47,624
Speaker 2: because if someone was mean to me, I would never

706
00:28:47,664 --> 00:28:48,064
Speaker 2: come around.

707
00:28:48,064 --> 00:28:50,144
Speaker 1: But is that kind of your philosophy a little bit now.

708
00:28:50,224 --> 00:28:52,584
Speaker 2: Not anymore when I was younger, Yeah, when I was younger,

709
00:28:52,584 --> 00:28:54,264
Speaker 2: But I think that's what like rom coms did to me.

710
00:28:54,624 --> 00:28:56,824
Speaker 2: Like I think I would treat them like Bible as well.

711
00:28:56,824 --> 00:28:59,104
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, but she told him that

712
00:28:59,144 --> 00:29:01,704
Speaker 2: he was ugly and then and that he's back and

713
00:29:01,744 --> 00:29:03,704
Speaker 2: he gave her and she'd say sorry.

714
00:29:03,944 --> 00:29:04,384
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think I definitely have a few that I feel

716
00:29:06,384 --> 00:29:07,464
Speaker 3: like really influenced.

717
00:29:07,664 --> 00:29:09,664
Speaker 1: However, you love and dating.

718
00:29:09,424 --> 00:29:11,944
Speaker 2: In a bad way, good way, Well, I guess it's

719
00:29:11,944 --> 00:29:12,344
Speaker 2: a mix.

720
00:29:12,384 --> 00:29:15,504
Speaker 1: So you've got mail. I relate to that weekly because

721
00:29:15,504 --> 00:29:15,944
Speaker 1: with their.

722
00:29:15,784 --> 00:29:18,384
Speaker 3: Whole emailing back and forth, I now think a little

723
00:29:18,384 --> 00:29:21,304
Speaker 3: bit in that mind frame, with dating apps and with texting,

724
00:29:21,424 --> 00:29:22,344
Speaker 3: he was so mean to.

725
00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:24,984
Speaker 2: Her though she was that was I saw her and

726
00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:25,864
Speaker 2: didn't show up.

727
00:29:26,024 --> 00:29:27,744
Speaker 3: Okay, that bit, But I'm talking about when they were

728
00:29:27,784 --> 00:29:29,784
Speaker 3: flirting over email and text I'm like, that's something that

729
00:29:29,904 --> 00:29:33,224
Speaker 3: actually relate to nowaday life because sometimes I like texting

730
00:29:33,264 --> 00:29:34,744
Speaker 3: guy and we literally haven't met, and you know how

731
00:29:34,784 --> 00:29:37,264
Speaker 3: she'll be all like dreamy looking at the computer like

732
00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:39,424
Speaker 3: he sent an email. I'm like, that's me with my

733
00:29:39,464 --> 00:29:41,744
Speaker 3: stupid hinge messages, Like, oh, this is the.

734
00:29:41,664 --> 00:29:44,104
Speaker 1: Modern day romance, So I think you've got mail as

735
00:29:44,184 --> 00:29:45,464
Speaker 1: one that.

736
00:29:45,664 --> 00:29:49,184
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like it is so dangerous, especially when

737
00:29:49,184 --> 00:29:52,344
Speaker 2: you're on dating apps free. And also there have been

738
00:29:52,384 --> 00:29:54,304
Speaker 2: times where I've like thought, I've fallen in love with

739
00:29:54,344 --> 00:29:56,544
Speaker 2: this person and they're just a good writer, and they're

740
00:29:56,624 --> 00:29:58,984
Speaker 2: just good writer, all like it ends badly and then

741
00:29:59,104 --> 00:30:01,784
Speaker 2: I'm just like I have to remind myself you haven't

742
00:30:01,824 --> 00:30:02,424
Speaker 2: even met them.

743
00:30:02,624 --> 00:30:04,664
Speaker 3: And we know that you can come across completely different

744
00:30:04,664 --> 00:30:06,504
Speaker 3: over texts, like I'm sure all of us. Yeah, you

745
00:30:06,544 --> 00:30:08,944
Speaker 3: can make yourself seem really to yourself exactly.

746
00:30:09,184 --> 00:30:10,904
Speaker 2: You don't have to think on the fly exactly.

747
00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:11,664
Speaker 1: Another one.

748
00:30:11,704 --> 00:30:13,624
Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't really romantic comedy, but I guess

749
00:30:13,624 --> 00:30:15,744
Speaker 3: it's like in the rom com TV show Territories, How

750
00:30:15,784 --> 00:30:16,424
Speaker 3: I'm at Your Mother.

751
00:30:16,904 --> 00:30:18,264
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time.

752
00:30:18,464 --> 00:30:20,744
Speaker 2: That is an awful place to get inspiration.

753
00:30:20,984 --> 00:30:24,184
Speaker 1: I'm dating, well, I just feel like you really relate

754
00:30:24,224 --> 00:30:24,584
Speaker 1: to him.

755
00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:26,584
Speaker 3: You know. It starts and he's in his late twenties.

756
00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:28,064
Speaker 3: He's just on this real journey. But he's such a

757
00:30:28,064 --> 00:30:30,424
Speaker 3: hopeless romantic and he sort of goes into every day

758
00:30:30,424 --> 00:30:33,224
Speaker 3: being like today it could be the day. Yeah, it's

759
00:30:33,224 --> 00:30:33,744
Speaker 3: not healthy.

760
00:30:33,824 --> 00:30:35,984
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he does have his faults, Like Ted,

761
00:30:36,464 --> 00:30:39,104
Speaker 2: He's like, oh yes, yeah, fault. Yeah, he has like

762
00:30:39,144 --> 00:30:41,464
Speaker 2: weird obsessive things with women. But at least you're not

763
00:30:41,544 --> 00:30:43,664
Speaker 2: a Barney. At least I'm not a Barney. I mean,

764
00:30:43,664 --> 00:30:45,584
Speaker 2: no one's a Barney. I feel like, surely. I mean

765
00:30:46,624 --> 00:30:48,944
Speaker 2: I'm met a lot of Barney's. A lot of men

766
00:30:49,224 --> 00:30:50,264
Speaker 2: love how I'm at your Mother.

767
00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:53,184
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so maybe I'm in the wrong here. Now

768
00:30:53,224 --> 00:30:54,264
Speaker 3: I'm the wrong side of things.

769
00:30:54,264 --> 00:30:56,144
Speaker 2: I think it's important to watch how I'm me at

770
00:30:56,144 --> 00:30:59,544
Speaker 2: your mother as a woman, so you understand wordmen. Yeah,

771
00:30:59,744 --> 00:31:01,624
Speaker 2: and they may have a group of guy friends who

772
00:31:01,744 --> 00:31:03,984
Speaker 2: like took on slap bet do you remember that.

773
00:31:03,944 --> 00:31:04,784
Speaker 1: From Oh My God?

774
00:31:04,944 --> 00:31:07,864
Speaker 2: Really, and they would just like slap each other randomly.

775
00:31:08,064 --> 00:31:09,984
Speaker 1: See, men are so impressionable. We need to get them

776
00:31:10,024 --> 00:31:10,784
Speaker 1: to these things.

777
00:31:10,584 --> 00:31:12,384
Speaker 2: We want them to behave like exactly.

778
00:31:12,664 --> 00:31:14,624
Speaker 3: And the other one I had was he's just not

779
00:31:14,664 --> 00:31:17,144
Speaker 3: that into you, because I actually think that movie has

780
00:31:17,144 --> 00:31:18,184
Speaker 3: some great teachings.

781
00:31:18,264 --> 00:31:19,144
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good movie.

782
00:31:19,184 --> 00:31:20,904
Speaker 1: Actually, I know this isn't really what Reese meant.

783
00:31:20,944 --> 00:31:23,024
Speaker 3: This is not so much referring to the dynamic of

784
00:31:23,024 --> 00:31:24,824
Speaker 3: the love and everything, but it's more the dynamic of

785
00:31:25,224 --> 00:31:27,424
Speaker 3: if you wanted to, he would, and these people who

786
00:31:27,464 --> 00:31:29,704
Speaker 3: mess around, they're really not that into you. But then

787
00:31:29,704 --> 00:31:32,464
Speaker 3: at the ending, she's the exception to the rule, and

788
00:31:32,544 --> 00:31:34,184
Speaker 3: he was addicted to her and he comes back and

789
00:31:34,224 --> 00:31:34,864
Speaker 3: he's in love with her.

790
00:31:34,944 --> 00:31:37,064
Speaker 1: So I think the ending it out.

791
00:31:37,184 --> 00:31:39,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's why so many women give

792
00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:42,944
Speaker 2: like chances to men who are just bad men because

793
00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:46,224
Speaker 2: of justin long. Yeah, that's like, you're just rude, dude.

794
00:31:46,704 --> 00:31:48,904
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean maybe where we've come to from

795
00:31:48,904 --> 00:31:50,464
Speaker 3: all this is that we need to start a little

796
00:31:50,464 --> 00:31:53,664
Speaker 3: bit of a male focused rom com campaign energy.

797
00:31:53,744 --> 00:31:56,344
Speaker 2: Oh, let's start our own production company. Oh yeah, we'll

798
00:31:56,384 --> 00:31:59,024
Speaker 2: call rom coms for both for all geners.

799
00:31:59,304 --> 00:32:00,984
Speaker 3: Yes, we've got to do a little bit more work

800
00:32:01,024 --> 00:32:02,184
Speaker 3: on the male side because they've got a.

801
00:32:02,104 --> 00:32:04,184
Speaker 1: Bit to catch up on. I don't want to though,

802
00:32:04,344 --> 00:32:06,744
Speaker 1: coming to you soon. Rom Comes for Men by Mon

803
00:32:06,824 --> 00:32:08,504
Speaker 1: and M for Men.

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00:32:09,304 --> 00:32:11,704
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Okay, yeah, I'm down. That sounds fun.

805
00:32:11,824 --> 00:32:13,984
Speaker 2: No one else is doing it exactly. We've seen the

806
00:32:14,024 --> 00:32:15,144
Speaker 2: gap in the market. Here we go.

807
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