1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,504 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:25,224 --> 00:00:25,944 Speaker 4: From Mamma Mia. 6 00:00:26,104 --> 00:00:28,864 Speaker 2: Welcome to this bill, your daily pop culture fix. 7 00:00:29,184 --> 00:00:32,104 Speaker 3: I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick and on the. 8 00:00:32,064 --> 00:00:35,984 Speaker 2: Show today, we are talking about a very interesting Big 9 00:00:36,064 --> 00:00:40,464 Speaker 2: Brother finale. Jojo Siwa and her partner Kath Ebbs have 10 00:00:40,584 --> 00:00:42,664 Speaker 2: broken up. And this sounds like a very simple story, 11 00:00:42,704 --> 00:00:44,144 Speaker 2: but oh. 12 00:00:43,544 --> 00:00:46,984 Speaker 3: My god, my god, this is pop culture law unfolding. 13 00:00:47,064 --> 00:00:48,464 Speaker 3: And I don't say that lightly because I know that 14 00:00:48,504 --> 00:00:50,984 Speaker 3: a lot of people's feelings have been hurt and it's 15 00:00:51,064 --> 00:00:53,984 Speaker 3: very intense. But I think a lot of people, including myself, 16 00:00:54,064 --> 00:00:56,024 Speaker 3: my eyes have been on nothing else since has happened 17 00:00:56,024 --> 00:00:56,784 Speaker 3: on Friday nights. 18 00:00:56,784 --> 00:00:57,664 Speaker 4: We have a lot to unpack. 19 00:00:57,704 --> 00:00:59,224 Speaker 2: We have a lot to unpack. 20 00:00:59,344 --> 00:01:03,024 Speaker 3: But first, but first, some movie news that will either 21 00:01:03,104 --> 00:01:05,664 Speaker 3: make you really happy or really angry, depending on which 22 00:01:05,664 --> 00:01:07,544 Speaker 3: side of the fence you're on. But I'm sure everyone 23 00:01:07,584 --> 00:01:09,704 Speaker 3: will have intense feelings. So I'm not sure if you 24 00:01:09,744 --> 00:01:12,184 Speaker 3: know this, but greata girlwig off the back of the 25 00:01:12,304 --> 00:01:15,784 Speaker 3: huge success of Barbie and being everyone's current favorite filmmaker. 26 00:01:15,944 --> 00:01:18,584 Speaker 2: Karen and Alphanel are just everywhere right exactly. 27 00:01:18,624 --> 00:01:20,584 Speaker 3: They're the two I think people are getting really excited 28 00:01:20,624 --> 00:01:23,184 Speaker 3: about the projects they're working on, and once you have 29 00:01:23,304 --> 00:01:26,064 Speaker 3: a huge success like Barbie, especially because she wrote and 30 00:01:26,104 --> 00:01:28,904 Speaker 3: directed it and was involved in the production, so she 31 00:01:28,984 --> 00:01:31,024 Speaker 3: had this opportunity in Hollywood to kind of almost have 32 00:01:31,104 --> 00:01:33,464 Speaker 3: what they call like a blank check, like people throwing 33 00:01:33,864 --> 00:01:36,184 Speaker 3: opportunity at you and saying, make whatever you want and 34 00:01:36,224 --> 00:01:38,304 Speaker 3: will fund it. So she's in that place at the moment, 35 00:01:38,344 --> 00:01:40,944 Speaker 3: so I was so excited to see what would she pick. 36 00:01:40,984 --> 00:01:44,224 Speaker 3: This incredible filmmaker who before Barbie bought us all these 37 00:01:44,264 --> 00:01:47,344 Speaker 3: amazing movies like Frances Harr and then like remade Little 38 00:01:47,384 --> 00:01:50,504 Speaker 3: Women with her own spin on it. And she's doing 39 00:01:50,544 --> 00:01:55,344 Speaker 3: something maybe potentially controversial for some people. She's remaking The Lion, 40 00:01:55,424 --> 00:01:58,584 Speaker 3: the Witch, and the Wardrobe Mania. The Class. Yeah, the 41 00:01:58,624 --> 00:02:01,504 Speaker 3: classic books by C. S. Lewis, who a lot of us, 42 00:02:01,504 --> 00:02:03,944 Speaker 3: I guess like read the books as kids. I was 43 00:02:03,984 --> 00:02:05,664 Speaker 3: obsessed with them, even though now I look back on 44 00:02:05,704 --> 00:02:07,664 Speaker 3: them and I'm like, holy hell, that's like some intense 45 00:02:07,664 --> 00:02:10,624 Speaker 3: storytelling about like religion and God and punishments through the 46 00:02:10,624 --> 00:02:12,064 Speaker 3: Devil In pretty intense. 47 00:02:12,104 --> 00:02:14,464 Speaker 2: It's very I've never read the books. 48 00:02:14,664 --> 00:02:16,024 Speaker 4: I think you would love that they were. 49 00:02:16,104 --> 00:02:17,744 Speaker 2: I think when the line which in the order of 50 00:02:17,784 --> 00:02:20,704 Speaker 2: the first movie came out, that was like my generation. 51 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:24,024 Speaker 2: Remember we all started eating Turkish delights. Yeah, we all 52 00:02:24,104 --> 00:02:26,784 Speaker 2: hated it. It was just like every kid and their 53 00:02:26,784 --> 00:02:28,624 Speaker 2: grandparents are eating Turkish. 54 00:02:28,544 --> 00:02:29,104 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 55 00:02:29,144 --> 00:02:30,864 Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about the movies that came out like 56 00:02:30,904 --> 00:02:33,704 Speaker 3: over t Yeah. So before that there was the BBC series. 57 00:02:33,744 --> 00:02:36,584 Speaker 3: That's what I was raised, and it's people in costumes 58 00:02:36,624 --> 00:02:39,264 Speaker 3: playing like the animals and stuff, and like an Aslan 59 00:02:39,384 --> 00:02:42,304 Speaker 3: that was just like a talking head puppet but incredible. 60 00:02:42,744 --> 00:02:45,424 Speaker 3: So that's what I was raised on the movies. 61 00:02:45,584 --> 00:02:47,024 Speaker 2: But the movies didn't finish. 62 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:50,744 Speaker 3: No, that's the weird thing, because the BBC series goes 63 00:02:50,784 --> 00:02:53,704 Speaker 3: all the way to the Silver Chair, whereas the big 64 00:02:53,744 --> 00:02:57,624 Speaker 3: budget blockbuster series petered out after I think Voyage of 65 00:02:57,664 --> 00:03:01,184 Speaker 3: the Dawn Treader because people watching, Yeah you probably missed it, 66 00:03:01,184 --> 00:03:01,864 Speaker 3: most people did. 67 00:03:02,024 --> 00:03:03,424 Speaker 4: But the books go quite fast. 68 00:03:03,424 --> 00:03:06,504 Speaker 3: So apparently Greta Gerwig is going all the way to 69 00:03:06,624 --> 00:03:09,184 Speaker 3: the sixth novel of the series, The Magician's Nephew. But 70 00:03:09,184 --> 00:03:11,744 Speaker 3: obviously everyone's been real intense about who she was going 71 00:03:11,824 --> 00:03:14,504 Speaker 3: to cast in the movie, especially the role of the 72 00:03:14,544 --> 00:03:17,024 Speaker 3: White Witch, because that is iconic. There was a bit 73 00:03:17,024 --> 00:03:19,104 Speaker 3: of chat that Meryl Street was going to play Aslan, 74 00:03:19,224 --> 00:03:23,704 Speaker 3: and I'm like, not angry, I don't know, you look 75 00:03:23,744 --> 00:03:24,384 Speaker 3: really shocked. 76 00:03:24,624 --> 00:03:26,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is gonna make me sound so anti feminist. 77 00:03:27,224 --> 00:03:29,304 Speaker 4: But not a woman's job is that we gonna say? 78 00:03:30,024 --> 00:03:33,384 Speaker 2: Aslan to me has always been like a father figure. Yeap, 79 00:03:33,584 --> 00:03:36,064 Speaker 2: Like I always picture my grandfather as Aslain. 80 00:03:36,664 --> 00:03:37,944 Speaker 4: I'm gona be really nice. 81 00:03:38,304 --> 00:03:44,224 Speaker 2: Can she be my grandfather? If anyone never she did? 82 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:46,944 Speaker 3: Would range that so much, just like, what's the one 83 00:03:47,024 --> 00:03:47,944 Speaker 3: job a woman can't do? 84 00:03:48,064 --> 00:03:50,864 Speaker 4: Play as in the adaptation of the line the Witch, 85 00:03:51,344 --> 00:03:53,544 Speaker 4: I can't do that. They can do anything exactly. 86 00:03:53,944 --> 00:03:56,864 Speaker 3: So the casting news came out over the weekend and 87 00:03:56,944 --> 00:03:58,544 Speaker 3: I've got to say, my heart, I hope I'm wrong. 88 00:03:58,904 --> 00:04:01,744 Speaker 3: My heart sunk a little bit because it's British actress 89 00:04:01,744 --> 00:04:03,624 Speaker 3: Emma Mackie, who a lot of people would know from 90 00:04:03,664 --> 00:04:04,424 Speaker 3: sex education. 91 00:04:04,664 --> 00:04:06,584 Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of people also know her as being 92 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:08,184 Speaker 2: Mugger Robbie's exact look alive. 93 00:04:08,264 --> 00:04:10,544 Speaker 3: Well, that's so funny because yeah, that's been the conversation 94 00:04:10,664 --> 00:04:13,344 Speaker 3: for years that she and Margot Robbie look so similar 95 00:04:13,384 --> 00:04:15,944 Speaker 3: that they get mistaken. There's been photos of Emma that 96 00:04:15,984 --> 00:04:18,344 Speaker 3: are run with Margot Robbie's name under Actually Emma's been 97 00:04:18,424 --> 00:04:21,024 Speaker 3: chased through the streets by paparazzi thinking that she's Margo. 98 00:04:21,184 --> 00:04:23,264 Speaker 2: I thought it was Margot Robbie in Sex Education for 99 00:04:23,304 --> 00:04:24,504 Speaker 2: the first three episure. 100 00:04:24,584 --> 00:04:27,224 Speaker 3: Really yes, you're like, man, this is a strange girls like. 101 00:04:27,464 --> 00:04:28,944 Speaker 4: I actually thought it was like an. 102 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:30,864 Speaker 2: Old show because you know how they actually have quirky 103 00:04:31,064 --> 00:04:33,624 Speaker 2: like costume design. Yea insect, I thought it was an 104 00:04:33,624 --> 00:04:37,464 Speaker 2: old show. Wow that had they just resurfaced Netflix. 105 00:04:37,624 --> 00:04:39,744 Speaker 3: It's so funny because Emma Mackie. There's a lot of 106 00:04:39,744 --> 00:04:42,904 Speaker 3: headlines around about Emma and Greta reuniting, but she was 107 00:04:42,944 --> 00:04:45,144 Speaker 3: only Emma was only in Barbie for a second yea. 108 00:04:45,264 --> 00:04:47,064 Speaker 2: A lot of like A listers were in Barbie for 109 00:04:47,184 --> 00:04:47,784 Speaker 2: like one hot mass. 110 00:04:47,944 --> 00:04:48,424 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. 111 00:04:48,424 --> 00:04:50,424 Speaker 3: Everyone just wanted a cameo like John Cena was like, 112 00:04:50,464 --> 00:04:53,224 Speaker 3: please come to the Mr Man like respect. But Emma 113 00:04:53,264 --> 00:04:55,184 Speaker 3: was supposed to have a much bigger role because they 114 00:04:55,184 --> 00:04:58,464 Speaker 3: were bringing her in to be like Margo Robbie's Barbie doppelganger. 115 00:04:58,744 --> 00:04:59,104 Speaker 1: So you have. 116 00:04:59,184 --> 00:05:00,904 Speaker 3: All the Barbies were different, so she was going to 117 00:05:00,944 --> 00:05:03,384 Speaker 3: play a Barbie that was identical to Margo Robbie. And 118 00:05:03,424 --> 00:05:04,944 Speaker 3: they're like, this will be so funny because it's like 119 00:05:04,944 --> 00:05:08,504 Speaker 3: a great pop culture reference. But then Margo was saying afterwards, 120 00:05:08,504 --> 00:05:10,424 Speaker 3: once they bought Emma in dressed in the same they 121 00:05:10,424 --> 00:05:12,184 Speaker 3: stood next to each other. Once they stood next to 122 00:05:12,224 --> 00:05:13,984 Speaker 3: each other, they didn't look alike at all. 123 00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:16,704 Speaker 2: So the joke was, actually didn't look alike in the movie. 124 00:05:16,904 --> 00:05:18,584 Speaker 3: No, So they just kept Emma in there in like 125 00:05:18,584 --> 00:05:21,224 Speaker 3: a supporting barbie cameo role, but they had to nix 126 00:05:21,264 --> 00:05:23,384 Speaker 3: her whole storyline where she was is this like a 127 00:05:23,424 --> 00:05:23,904 Speaker 3: make good? 128 00:05:24,064 --> 00:05:24,224 Speaker 4: Did? 129 00:05:24,264 --> 00:05:25,664 Speaker 3: She like, I'm so sorry we had to cut you 130 00:05:25,664 --> 00:05:27,024 Speaker 3: out of Barbie, But do you want to be the 131 00:05:27,064 --> 00:05:27,984 Speaker 3: white Witch in Nania? 132 00:05:28,144 --> 00:05:31,464 Speaker 2: I think it would be make good? Because no, I'm 133 00:05:31,464 --> 00:05:34,024 Speaker 2: I actually do because that movie was massive. You imagine 134 00:05:34,024 --> 00:05:37,264 Speaker 2: like knowing that your big role was cut completely from 135 00:05:37,304 --> 00:05:39,784 Speaker 2: a movie of that side. Yeah, and I are a witch. 136 00:05:40,184 --> 00:05:43,624 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'm gonna trust the Process series. I 137 00:05:43,624 --> 00:05:45,584 Speaker 3: think it's a movie. So each book is going to 138 00:05:45,624 --> 00:05:49,624 Speaker 3: be a movie. It's and there's like so many six Yeah, 139 00:05:50,064 --> 00:05:51,904 Speaker 3: oh gosh, Well, I mean, there's a lot of story 140 00:05:51,904 --> 00:05:54,264 Speaker 3: to tell, and like the big film adaptation dropped the 141 00:05:54,264 --> 00:05:56,744 Speaker 3: ball after Voyager the Dawn Trader and didn't pick up 142 00:05:56,744 --> 00:05:58,864 Speaker 3: any of the other great stories that came afterwards. It 143 00:05:58,904 --> 00:06:00,984 Speaker 3: goes right till the kids come back when they're adults 144 00:06:00,984 --> 00:06:05,664 Speaker 3: and they become children. Except for Susane rap spoilers, Sorry, 145 00:06:05,704 --> 00:06:07,464 Speaker 3: she doesn't die. She just doesn't believe in Nannia anymore. 146 00:06:07,464 --> 00:06:09,984 Speaker 3: It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. So I 147 00:06:09,984 --> 00:06:11,424 Speaker 3: think it is going to go all the way with that, 148 00:06:11,464 --> 00:06:13,664 Speaker 3: which kind of just takes her out of making anything 149 00:06:13,664 --> 00:06:16,104 Speaker 3: else from going to say at least ten years potentially, 150 00:06:16,424 --> 00:06:19,064 Speaker 3: which is interesting. So I don't know, people look excited 151 00:06:19,064 --> 00:06:21,624 Speaker 3: about Emma. I just feel that that's such an iconic 152 00:06:21,704 --> 00:06:24,904 Speaker 3: specific role it needed a character actress, and I'm not 153 00:06:24,944 --> 00:06:26,984 Speaker 3: sure about her also being so you wanted. 154 00:06:26,744 --> 00:06:27,264 Speaker 2: It to be. 155 00:06:27,504 --> 00:06:27,904 Speaker 4: I don't know. 156 00:06:28,024 --> 00:06:29,584 Speaker 3: I mean maybe that's where we had to get Merril 157 00:06:29,584 --> 00:06:30,264 Speaker 3: Litt or something like that. 158 00:06:30,304 --> 00:06:32,184 Speaker 2: We had Away someone we. 159 00:06:32,144 --> 00:06:34,184 Speaker 4: Were just getting Anne Hathaway for every cheesy role. 160 00:06:34,424 --> 00:06:36,824 Speaker 3: I don't think Anne Hathaway has that pure evilness in 161 00:06:36,824 --> 00:06:37,224 Speaker 3: her soul. 162 00:06:37,264 --> 00:06:37,904 Speaker 4: That's what you need. 163 00:06:38,384 --> 00:06:42,064 Speaker 3: You need an actress that just has pure or can 164 00:06:42,104 --> 00:06:46,664 Speaker 3: at least do that very evil kind of Michelle Peiffer, Yeah, potentially, 165 00:06:46,744 --> 00:06:49,024 Speaker 3: Michelle Peiffer does evil really well, like look at her 166 00:06:48,984 --> 00:06:51,584 Speaker 3: od Hairspray. Anyway, that's all the casting updates we have 167 00:06:51,624 --> 00:06:52,904 Speaker 3: for the Nannia movies at the moment. 168 00:06:52,984 --> 00:06:55,024 Speaker 4: We'll keep you posted. I guess we'll circle back in 169 00:06:55,064 --> 00:06:55,784 Speaker 4: ten years. 170 00:06:55,584 --> 00:07:02,464 Speaker 3: To see years putting your diary see this what So 171 00:07:02,664 --> 00:07:05,224 Speaker 3: late on Friday night, a bit of a story started 172 00:07:05,264 --> 00:07:08,064 Speaker 3: sweeping the world, and that is because a big Brother 173 00:07:08,224 --> 00:07:10,304 Speaker 3: UK came to an end with its big Fana. 174 00:07:10,664 --> 00:07:12,304 Speaker 4: They crowned a winner. We don't care about that. 175 00:07:13,344 --> 00:07:16,224 Speaker 2: Yes, Like both of us were working the Friday shift 176 00:07:16,224 --> 00:07:18,424 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad this happened after we locked. 177 00:07:20,384 --> 00:07:21,824 Speaker 3: I mean it would have been great for numbers on 178 00:07:21,824 --> 00:07:25,384 Speaker 3: the day off for the company very late at night. 179 00:07:25,464 --> 00:07:26,744 Speaker 2: It was extra great for us. 180 00:07:26,864 --> 00:07:29,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, the two of us in charge and what could 181 00:07:29,144 --> 00:07:31,544 Speaker 3: go wrong? So, yes, this happened on Friday night. And 182 00:07:31,624 --> 00:07:34,424 Speaker 3: why we were so invested is that there had been 183 00:07:34,464 --> 00:07:39,064 Speaker 3: this huge story playing out on the screen with Jojo Siwa. 184 00:07:39,184 --> 00:07:41,064 Speaker 3: So if you know what to cross that name, Jojo 185 00:07:41,144 --> 00:07:43,304 Speaker 3: Siwa was one of the stars of the TV show 186 00:07:43,424 --> 00:07:48,384 Speaker 3: Dance Moms, a wildly horrifically problematic show entertaining as hell. 187 00:07:48,504 --> 00:07:50,864 Speaker 2: She invented gay pops, yes, she did so. 188 00:07:50,944 --> 00:07:53,224 Speaker 3: She she was so cute, she was so little on 189 00:07:53,264 --> 00:07:53,624 Speaker 3: that show. 190 00:07:53,704 --> 00:07:55,024 Speaker 4: She came in. She always got you. 191 00:07:55,024 --> 00:07:57,544 Speaker 3: Know, a high pony, yeah, and she had a brand 192 00:07:57,584 --> 00:07:59,504 Speaker 3: the moment she came in. And she came in when 193 00:07:59,544 --> 00:08:02,944 Speaker 3: the show was already crazy popular, so she and her mum, Jesslyn, 194 00:08:03,424 --> 00:08:06,464 Speaker 3: came in dance mum Jesselyn came in ready to build 195 00:08:06,504 --> 00:08:08,824 Speaker 3: a brand. Now JoJo's six, so I'm assuming that she 196 00:08:09,104 --> 00:08:11,344 Speaker 3: wasn't completely complicit in this, but she was, you know, 197 00:08:11,744 --> 00:08:15,344 Speaker 3: really gorgeous little girl, huge personality, wore a massive big 198 00:08:15,344 --> 00:08:17,624 Speaker 3: bow and her hair always like done up like crazy. 199 00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:21,584 Speaker 3: And then she became so wildly popular, probably at that time, 200 00:08:21,624 --> 00:08:24,824 Speaker 3: the most popular off that TV show, and she spawned 201 00:08:24,824 --> 00:08:28,464 Speaker 3: her empire with like her series and her music, current 202 00:08:28,464 --> 00:08:30,704 Speaker 3: her albums and her touring and her bow company like 203 00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:34,024 Speaker 3: crazy crazy Crazy grew up in the spotlight, came out 204 00:08:34,144 --> 00:08:36,824 Speaker 3: I think in like her late teens early twenties. Obviously 205 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:38,344 Speaker 3: got a lot of backlash from people, and it has 206 00:08:38,384 --> 00:08:41,184 Speaker 3: been like a really outspoken advocate of the gay and 207 00:08:41,264 --> 00:08:44,904 Speaker 3: queer community since then, so that's obviously all happening. And 208 00:08:44,944 --> 00:08:47,864 Speaker 3: then at the end of last year it seemed that 209 00:08:47,944 --> 00:08:50,304 Speaker 3: she was dating an Australian called Kathebs. 210 00:08:50,624 --> 00:08:55,144 Speaker 2: Yes, Kath Ebs is an influencer and an advocate in Australia, 211 00:08:55,184 --> 00:08:58,104 Speaker 2: but I feel like people started to know about them 212 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:00,784 Speaker 2: more when they started dating Jojo. 213 00:09:01,064 --> 00:09:02,744 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think Kath had like quite a big 214 00:09:02,744 --> 00:09:06,544 Speaker 3: following in Australia as a presenter and an actor and yes, 215 00:09:06,584 --> 00:09:08,984 Speaker 3: an advocate and all these sort of things. So I 216 00:09:09,024 --> 00:09:11,544 Speaker 3: was already following them, was following Kath but not Jojo 217 00:09:11,624 --> 00:09:14,584 Speaker 3: before this happened. Oh yeah, well just because they're Australia, 218 00:09:14,744 --> 00:09:17,344 Speaker 3: whereas Jojo, like I was aware of Obviously, I've like 219 00:09:17,504 --> 00:09:20,144 Speaker 3: know a lot about Jojo as I just like recounted 220 00:09:20,144 --> 00:09:22,704 Speaker 3: her entire career, but I wasn't her target market, so 221 00:09:22,744 --> 00:09:25,904 Speaker 3: I wasn't following her on any platform. But then photos 222 00:09:25,904 --> 00:09:28,064 Speaker 3: started coming out of them, like at a petrol station 223 00:09:28,224 --> 00:09:31,584 Speaker 3: together and like having lunch and BONDI and all these things, 224 00:09:31,624 --> 00:09:34,144 Speaker 3: and I was like, Wow, what Kath Ebbs and Jojo 225 00:09:34,264 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 3: Sie were like and like? And Jojo Sea was like 226 00:09:36,064 --> 00:09:37,664 Speaker 3: an adult now she's twenty one. 227 00:09:37,584 --> 00:09:40,144 Speaker 2: Like, yes it was. And she did that very famous 228 00:09:40,184 --> 00:09:42,904 Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus thing where she wanted a complete and we 229 00:09:42,944 --> 00:09:45,664 Speaker 2: talked about this on the spill. She did a complete 230 00:09:45,744 --> 00:09:51,264 Speaker 2: rebrand of her I guess cutie, colorful, high pony like, 231 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:54,744 Speaker 2: lots of sparkles, vibe into like punk rock. Basically, she 232 00:09:54,824 --> 00:09:56,944 Speaker 2: dressed up as Kiss to the iHeart but. 233 00:09:56,904 --> 00:09:57,984 Speaker 4: I didn't know who Kiss was. 234 00:09:58,144 --> 00:10:01,984 Speaker 3: Very famously you don't fine, fine, fine, we don't judge 235 00:10:01,984 --> 00:10:04,584 Speaker 3: here exactly, and had this and released Karma, which has 236 00:10:04,624 --> 00:10:07,144 Speaker 3: to be said, a banger of a song, banger and yeah, 237 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:10,464 Speaker 3: had this huge pop culture moment. But when those paparazzi 238 00:10:10,344 --> 00:10:12,784 Speaker 3: it just started coming out of Kath and Jojo together 239 00:10:12,824 --> 00:10:14,664 Speaker 3: in Australia, they just looked at they was having this 240 00:10:14,744 --> 00:10:17,704 Speaker 3: beautiful time, like hanging out and bondying, going to lunches 241 00:10:17,744 --> 00:10:20,544 Speaker 3: and like filming each other, like getting petrol and all 242 00:10:20,544 --> 00:10:21,304 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. 243 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:24,224 Speaker 2: I felt like a very like first adult relationship. 244 00:10:24,304 --> 00:10:25,824 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just kinel like you were seeing 245 00:10:25,824 --> 00:10:27,904 Speaker 3: these two people like I don't know when they started 246 00:10:27,904 --> 00:10:30,224 Speaker 3: getting romantic, but it seemed like you saw them kind 247 00:10:30,224 --> 00:10:32,984 Speaker 3: of find each other have that wild attachment when you 248 00:10:33,024 --> 00:10:35,544 Speaker 3: meet someone that you just click with so instantly, And 249 00:10:35,584 --> 00:10:38,384 Speaker 3: because they both have such huge social media presences and 250 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:41,064 Speaker 3: they're both very public people, they would like film each 251 00:10:41,064 --> 00:10:43,344 Speaker 3: other a lot and share videos all that sort of stuff. 252 00:10:43,624 --> 00:10:46,104 Speaker 3: And so it wasn't until January they confirmed that we're 253 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:48,944 Speaker 3: in a relationship. And Kath was over in LA with 254 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:50,984 Speaker 3: Jojo a lot, and Jojo would be in Australia and 255 00:10:51,024 --> 00:10:52,944 Speaker 3: they would post all these beautiful videos and. 256 00:10:53,104 --> 00:10:54,824 Speaker 2: I get great points for those flights. 257 00:10:55,024 --> 00:10:59,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the real takeaway from me date someone overseas 258 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:01,264 Speaker 3: get the wall. Yeah, well, I mean I was watching 259 00:11:01,264 --> 00:11:03,264 Speaker 3: them together, like they were together for the La fires, 260 00:11:03,264 --> 00:11:05,184 Speaker 3: like Kather's and JoJo's home, and they were having to 261 00:11:05,224 --> 00:11:08,344 Speaker 3: like pack up for that. And then you saw Jojo 262 00:11:08,464 --> 00:11:10,624 Speaker 3: be here in Australia and like they would this thing 263 00:11:10,664 --> 00:11:12,424 Speaker 3: where the Cathols like picked them up from the airport 264 00:11:12,504 --> 00:11:13,984 Speaker 3: and then they go back to the hotel room and 265 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:17,144 Speaker 3: be covered in balloons and flowers and be like kissing 266 00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:19,424 Speaker 3: each other. And they gave this interview to People Magazine 267 00:11:19,424 --> 00:11:21,544 Speaker 3: on one of their red carpet moments, talking about being 268 00:11:21,584 --> 00:11:23,664 Speaker 3: so in love, and Jojo was like, this is the 269 00:11:23,664 --> 00:11:26,624 Speaker 3: first like proper mature, committed relationship I've been in and 270 00:11:26,624 --> 00:11:28,944 Speaker 3: I'm so happy. So they were like they eat couple 271 00:11:29,024 --> 00:11:31,584 Speaker 3: for a long time since the start of this year. 272 00:11:31,584 --> 00:11:35,384 Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, but it feels like they weren't even 273 00:11:35,464 --> 00:11:36,744 Speaker 2: together for that long. 274 00:11:36,944 --> 00:11:39,224 Speaker 3: Well I think officially they'd set us, told us since 275 00:11:39,304 --> 00:11:39,864 Speaker 3: January and. 276 00:11:39,864 --> 00:11:42,344 Speaker 2: So okay, they've been together for like four months. Yeah, 277 00:11:42,384 --> 00:11:43,624 Speaker 2: but it feels like they've been together for. 278 00:11:43,784 --> 00:11:45,864 Speaker 3: Well four months in like public time is a lot 279 00:11:45,904 --> 00:11:48,664 Speaker 3: where you've been watching everything about their lives unfold for 280 00:11:48,704 --> 00:11:49,264 Speaker 3: four months. 281 00:11:49,264 --> 00:11:51,144 Speaker 2: So we could say that they have been in a 282 00:11:51,184 --> 00:11:54,384 Speaker 2: relationship for maybe a year. That too much pushing it. 283 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:56,744 Speaker 3: No, I'd say, especially you know when you go really 284 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:59,864 Speaker 3: intensely into those like where you're kind of all in 285 00:11:59,904 --> 00:12:02,664 Speaker 3: from the start. Like I think time is less relevant 286 00:12:02,704 --> 00:12:05,184 Speaker 3: to the amount of commitment that they had that they 287 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:07,264 Speaker 3: were spending all their time together. And also, as we 288 00:12:07,304 --> 00:12:09,624 Speaker 3: know now, there was like talk of marriage behind their 289 00:12:09,624 --> 00:12:12,144 Speaker 3: scenes and everything, so they were all in really serious. 290 00:12:14,184 --> 00:12:18,144 Speaker 2: Okay, So this is where it gets a bit murky. Yeah, 291 00:12:18,584 --> 00:12:24,384 Speaker 2: because after they announced their relationship, Jojo disappears. She goes 292 00:12:24,424 --> 00:12:26,944 Speaker 2: into the Celebrity Big Brother UK house. We have talked 293 00:12:26,984 --> 00:12:31,304 Speaker 2: about Celebrity Big Brother this year before, especially talking about 294 00:12:31,464 --> 00:12:33,304 Speaker 2: Mickey Rourke. I don't want to bring it up because 295 00:12:33,304 --> 00:12:34,984 Speaker 2: it's too much. We talked about it. We will put 296 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:36,944 Speaker 2: a link in our show next. But basically he was 297 00:12:36,984 --> 00:12:41,144 Speaker 2: saying some not only homophobic comments towards Jojo, but also 298 00:12:41,424 --> 00:12:43,384 Speaker 2: quite dangerous comments. 299 00:12:43,424 --> 00:12:47,464 Speaker 3: Yeah and I'll turn you in, being really aggressive and 300 00:12:47,584 --> 00:12:49,864 Speaker 3: all those yeah awful things, awful awful. 301 00:12:50,224 --> 00:12:52,984 Speaker 2: And during that you see a lot of the other 302 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:56,344 Speaker 2: house members kind of stick up for Jojo, especially one 303 00:12:56,384 --> 00:13:00,504 Speaker 2: person named Chris Hughes. Now, Chris Hughes is a UK guy. 304 00:13:00,744 --> 00:13:04,304 Speaker 2: He was on Love Island and he also dated Jesse 305 00:13:04,384 --> 00:13:09,264 Speaker 2: Nielsen from Little Mix. He has this kind of aura 306 00:13:09,384 --> 00:13:13,384 Speaker 2: of being a who chases fame, Like that's kind of 307 00:13:13,424 --> 00:13:16,384 Speaker 2: like what society knows I'm about. You won't read this 308 00:13:16,424 --> 00:13:18,104 Speaker 2: in headlines, what you'll see it on red sides. That's 309 00:13:18,104 --> 00:13:19,464 Speaker 2: what I'm going to say, you know, That's what I'm 310 00:13:19,464 --> 00:13:22,744 Speaker 2: talking about, bring you the inside, the inside scoop, to 311 00:13:22,824 --> 00:13:25,184 Speaker 2: the point where he was even confronted about it on 312 00:13:25,304 --> 00:13:27,864 Speaker 2: Big Brother in the Big Brother Room as if like 313 00:13:27,944 --> 00:13:30,184 Speaker 2: he's only friends with Jojo because he wants her for 314 00:13:30,224 --> 00:13:32,984 Speaker 2: a fame, and he broke down crying, saying no, I 315 00:13:33,064 --> 00:13:37,104 Speaker 2: really value this friendship. That's not why I'm friends with her. Anyway. 316 00:13:37,424 --> 00:13:39,944 Speaker 2: After all this during Big Brother, which I only found 317 00:13:39,984 --> 00:13:43,064 Speaker 2: out it's actually filmed live. Yeah, so they're in that 318 00:13:43,264 --> 00:13:46,664 Speaker 2: house and they're loved ones and all of us are 319 00:13:46,744 --> 00:13:49,864 Speaker 2: watching them in real time interact with each other in 320 00:13:49,904 --> 00:13:52,384 Speaker 2: this house. What was happening in this house is that 321 00:13:52,424 --> 00:13:56,144 Speaker 2: you see Chris and Jojo get very close I would 322 00:13:56,184 --> 00:13:58,144 Speaker 2: say closer than friends. 323 00:13:58,464 --> 00:13:59,224 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it. 324 00:13:59,184 --> 00:14:01,184 Speaker 3: Does look that way. There's normal way to spin it. 325 00:14:01,264 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 4: Is there to the. 326 00:14:02,024 --> 00:14:06,144 Speaker 2: Point where even if they were in a relationship and 327 00:14:06,184 --> 00:14:08,184 Speaker 2: I saw some of the stuff I saw in the 328 00:14:08,224 --> 00:14:10,184 Speaker 2: clips with Big Brother, I'd be like, that's too much. 329 00:14:10,544 --> 00:14:13,024 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're a relationship, and we should say that 330 00:14:13,184 --> 00:14:15,504 Speaker 3: before Jojo went into the house, she had been with 331 00:14:15,624 --> 00:14:17,384 Speaker 3: Kath and there was this big kind of send off. 332 00:14:17,384 --> 00:14:19,184 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there's much more behind the scenes, 333 00:14:19,224 --> 00:14:22,144 Speaker 3: but publicly we saw them have this moment of like, 334 00:14:22,304 --> 00:14:24,224 Speaker 3: JoJo's going to do this big, amazing thing, and Kath 335 00:14:24,384 --> 00:14:26,824 Speaker 3: was talking about being so proud of her. And also 336 00:14:27,104 --> 00:14:29,944 Speaker 3: Kath was like live posting all the time about Jojo 337 00:14:30,024 --> 00:14:32,344 Speaker 3: being in the house and like resharing clips of her 338 00:14:32,344 --> 00:14:35,384 Speaker 3: and talking how proud that they were of her, And 339 00:14:35,544 --> 00:14:38,384 Speaker 3: when the Mickey Rock stuff went down, Kath was like 340 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:41,864 Speaker 3: guns are blazing defending her, standing up for her, posting 341 00:14:41,904 --> 00:14:45,544 Speaker 3: about her, and just like, you know completely, like that's 342 00:14:45,584 --> 00:14:47,264 Speaker 3: the love of my life and I've got their back. 343 00:14:47,544 --> 00:14:50,144 Speaker 3: And then as the Chris thing started to like really 344 00:14:50,184 --> 00:14:53,944 Speaker 3: become so prominent, that's when Kath stopped posting about Big Brother, 345 00:14:54,464 --> 00:14:56,704 Speaker 3: And that's when I think people got even more suspicious 346 00:14:56,704 --> 00:14:57,584 Speaker 3: about what was happening. 347 00:14:57,744 --> 00:14:59,944 Speaker 2: So some of the stuff that was happening with Chris 348 00:15:00,064 --> 00:15:02,584 Speaker 2: for the longest period of time during Big Brother, it 349 00:15:02,664 --> 00:15:05,704 Speaker 2: was all online speculation and like they're all big comments 350 00:15:05,704 --> 00:15:08,704 Speaker 2: on TikTok, comments on Reddit threads, comments on Instagram, or 351 00:15:08,744 --> 00:15:11,864 Speaker 2: people going this is not a Tonic relationship. However, no 352 00:15:11,904 --> 00:15:15,904 Speaker 2: one confirmed anything. You would see clips of them spooning 353 00:15:15,944 --> 00:15:20,064 Speaker 2: in bed, yeah, you'd see clips of them romantically dancing, 354 00:15:20,224 --> 00:15:21,104 Speaker 2: just the two of them. 355 00:15:21,464 --> 00:15:23,504 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and that's towards the end, so you would 356 00:15:23,504 --> 00:15:25,384 Speaker 3: see building by know the scene you're talking about where 357 00:15:25,384 --> 00:15:27,624 Speaker 3: they're dancing towards it's like one of the final nights 358 00:15:27,664 --> 00:15:30,264 Speaker 3: they'd bee Brother house and they do the dirty dancing 359 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:32,824 Speaker 3: lift and he's toiling her around, and there's the difference 360 00:15:32,824 --> 00:15:35,784 Speaker 3: between people in Australia are watching this look so aghast 361 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:39,104 Speaker 3: because we're still all in on the Caf and Jojo 362 00:15:39,584 --> 00:15:42,944 Speaker 3: relationship and shipping them. And as much as you can 363 00:15:42,944 --> 00:15:44,304 Speaker 3: say it's weird that people get caught up in other 364 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:46,184 Speaker 3: people's romances, like we just do. That's the world we 365 00:15:46,224 --> 00:15:48,264 Speaker 3: live in with like celebrities and things like you see 366 00:15:48,304 --> 00:15:50,624 Speaker 3: people a couple that you'd love and you become invested 367 00:15:50,624 --> 00:15:52,824 Speaker 3: in their love story and so we're all in that 368 00:15:53,104 --> 00:15:54,424 Speaker 3: and being like what the hell. But a lot of 369 00:15:54,464 --> 00:15:57,264 Speaker 3: people in the UK who didn't know as much about 370 00:15:57,304 --> 00:15:59,064 Speaker 3: like they knew Jojo had a partner because she would 371 00:15:59,104 --> 00:16:01,064 Speaker 3: talk about Caf in the house a lot, even while 372 00:16:01,104 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 3: the other housemates. At one stage, there's clips where Jojo 373 00:16:04,584 --> 00:16:07,144 Speaker 3: and Chris are like hugging and like patting each other's 374 00:16:07,184 --> 00:16:09,144 Speaker 3: faces and talking about how close they are, and then 375 00:16:09,144 --> 00:16:12,864 Speaker 3: there's also seem there in the hot hub together. Yeah. 376 00:16:13,144 --> 00:16:14,304 Speaker 2: I couldn't even watch the whole thing. 377 00:16:14,464 --> 00:16:16,504 Speaker 3: It looks like some intense stuff is happening, and while 378 00:16:16,504 --> 00:16:18,664 Speaker 3: the other housemates is like, your girlfriend is going to 379 00:16:18,704 --> 00:16:20,864 Speaker 3: be so angry, and he's. 380 00:16:20,744 --> 00:16:23,104 Speaker 2: Like, you two better fuck or get out Yeah. I 381 00:16:23,184 --> 00:16:24,624 Speaker 2: was like okay, and then. 382 00:16:24,744 --> 00:16:26,864 Speaker 3: Just like yay, and it was like your girlfriend's going 383 00:16:26,864 --> 00:16:29,904 Speaker 3: to put fists up or something like that, and JoJo's like, no, no, 384 00:16:29,944 --> 00:16:31,864 Speaker 3: she'll be fine with it. So then you're thinking, like, oh, 385 00:16:31,904 --> 00:16:33,704 Speaker 3: like maybe they are just I don't know. I've just 386 00:16:33,704 --> 00:16:35,664 Speaker 3: been so naive through this whole thing. Can I just say, 387 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:38,264 Speaker 3: because up until like nearly Friday, I was like, maybe it. 388 00:16:38,424 --> 00:16:39,904 Speaker 2: Well, you're like it, that's how the kids do it. 389 00:16:40,584 --> 00:16:41,024 Speaker 2: I don't know. 390 00:16:41,344 --> 00:16:43,784 Speaker 3: But he's like in his early thirties, she's twenty one, 391 00:16:44,104 --> 00:16:46,384 Speaker 3: and so yeah, up until kind of Friday, I was 392 00:16:46,424 --> 00:16:50,544 Speaker 3: still holding out hope that maybe it just was this 393 00:16:50,664 --> 00:16:54,664 Speaker 3: like overly touchy feely friendship because I haven't actually kissed 394 00:16:54,744 --> 00:16:56,544 Speaker 3: or said we love each other or said anything like that. 395 00:16:56,584 --> 00:16:59,264 Speaker 3: There's a lot of speculation because the whole thing about 396 00:16:59,264 --> 00:17:01,464 Speaker 3: Big Brother that's been in our screens for decades is 397 00:17:01,464 --> 00:17:03,944 Speaker 3: that a lot of contestants can we spar under the 398 00:17:03,944 --> 00:17:06,424 Speaker 3: blankets because you can take your mic off in there 399 00:17:06,464 --> 00:17:08,224 Speaker 3: and like they're under the blanket, you can't see, or 400 00:17:08,264 --> 00:17:10,064 Speaker 3: you can write on each other's hand, and that's how 401 00:17:10,104 --> 00:17:13,144 Speaker 3: like a of relationships in different houses have started and 402 00:17:13,184 --> 00:17:15,544 Speaker 3: because Jojo and Chris spent so much time under that 403 00:17:15,624 --> 00:17:18,664 Speaker 3: douna sleeping together, or you could hear them giggling and talking, 404 00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:20,384 Speaker 3: but you couldn't. You will always hear what they were saying. 405 00:17:20,624 --> 00:17:22,424 Speaker 3: There is like a lot of speculation that they had 406 00:17:22,464 --> 00:17:25,904 Speaker 3: their relationship talk under the blanket, Like, we don't know, 407 00:17:25,944 --> 00:17:27,624 Speaker 3: but I was still kind of holding out hope that 408 00:17:27,704 --> 00:17:30,544 Speaker 3: maybe it was just a bit of our intense friendship. 409 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:35,064 Speaker 4: Maybe it still is. We don't know. It's not. Oh okay, 410 00:17:37,824 --> 00:17:39,544 Speaker 4: so naive over here. I'm like, maybe they're just really 411 00:17:39,544 --> 00:17:40,224 Speaker 4: good friends. 412 00:17:40,264 --> 00:17:42,824 Speaker 2: So what happened? Like the final thing that we see 413 00:17:42,864 --> 00:17:46,064 Speaker 2: from Big Brother is the big finale. Jojo came third, 414 00:17:46,344 --> 00:17:49,064 Speaker 2: Chris came six. I don't really understand how you win 415 00:17:49,264 --> 00:17:49,784 Speaker 2: Big Brother. 416 00:17:50,304 --> 00:17:52,704 Speaker 3: It's a public vote. Oh, it's a public vod so 417 00:17:53,984 --> 00:17:55,224 Speaker 3: we don't care about that. It's like kind of like 418 00:17:55,264 --> 00:17:55,904 Speaker 3: the Hunging Games. 419 00:17:58,264 --> 00:18:01,824 Speaker 2: We see Jojo and Chris have this big emotional farewell 420 00:18:01,864 --> 00:18:04,264 Speaker 2: to each other, and she says a lot of interesting things. 421 00:18:04,264 --> 00:18:06,584 Speaker 2: It's a big goodbye. They thank each other, they tell 422 00:18:06,624 --> 00:18:09,104 Speaker 2: each other how much they love each other and their friendship, 423 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:12,624 Speaker 2: and she also says that she's just very confused. Yeah, 424 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:15,304 Speaker 2: and he's like confused about what, and she's like just 425 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:19,144 Speaker 2: things in general. It's weird, right, Still, all of this 426 00:18:19,384 --> 00:18:22,584 Speaker 2: is still very much online speculation of all of us 427 00:18:22,664 --> 00:18:24,784 Speaker 2: watching this and then making up our own theories in 428 00:18:24,824 --> 00:18:26,704 Speaker 2: our head if this is a relationship or is it 429 00:18:26,744 --> 00:18:32,464 Speaker 2: just platonic. Then we get a video from kath Ebbs. 430 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:36,664 Speaker 2: It's now been deleted, but it's been reposted everywhere, and 431 00:18:36,704 --> 00:18:37,584 Speaker 2: this is what they said. 432 00:18:37,944 --> 00:18:42,624 Speaker 1: I honestly feel so numbed out right now and so 433 00:18:42,864 --> 00:18:46,424 Speaker 1: disorientated that I feel like the only thing I have 434 00:18:47,504 --> 00:18:52,744 Speaker 1: to do to place this situation is to finally address 435 00:18:52,784 --> 00:18:58,504 Speaker 1: it after two weeks of sitting back watching certain things 436 00:18:58,584 --> 00:19:02,784 Speaker 1: unfold and not being able to get any clarity from 437 00:19:03,584 --> 00:19:08,624 Speaker 1: the person that it involved. Who was I guess like 438 00:19:09,184 --> 00:19:11,024 Speaker 1: in a odd way like I don't know if you can, 439 00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:13,104 Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't processed enough to if you'd want 440 00:19:13,104 --> 00:19:16,424 Speaker 1: to call it love bombing or whatever, But it seems 441 00:19:16,424 --> 00:19:20,264 Speaker 1: to me I have experienced a version of that, being 442 00:19:20,304 --> 00:19:23,624 Speaker 1: told that I'm the love of someone's life, being asked 443 00:19:23,624 --> 00:19:32,624 Speaker 1: to marry them before this social experiment, being adored throughout 444 00:19:32,704 --> 00:19:40,144 Speaker 1: behind closed doors, being hurt by what I saw, but 445 00:19:40,224 --> 00:19:44,544 Speaker 1: wanting to work through it and have a conversation and 446 00:19:44,544 --> 00:19:50,904 Speaker 1: get clarity and you know, to be met with being 447 00:19:53,144 --> 00:19:55,104 Speaker 1: I guess further humiliated in a weird wait, that's more 448 00:19:55,144 --> 00:19:56,544 Speaker 1: of a feeling. I don't know if it's fact, but 449 00:19:56,584 --> 00:20:01,264 Speaker 1: I feel further humiliated in the fact that the story 450 00:20:01,344 --> 00:20:05,304 Speaker 1: goes right now. In the last eight hours or whatever, 451 00:20:05,584 --> 00:20:08,784 Speaker 1: I have flown. I flew here and I went to 452 00:20:08,824 --> 00:20:15,584 Speaker 1: the live show to show up for my partner and 453 00:20:16,264 --> 00:20:19,424 Speaker 1: support them in their experience and then obviously later on 454 00:20:19,504 --> 00:20:23,504 Speaker 1: address my feelings of like hurt and like work through 455 00:20:23,544 --> 00:20:28,904 Speaker 1: them like all relationships do. But before I could even 456 00:20:29,584 --> 00:20:30,104 Speaker 1: get back to. 457 00:20:30,104 --> 00:20:31,744 Speaker 2: The hotel, I. 458 00:20:33,784 --> 00:20:36,944 Speaker 1: It's actually crazy, went to the after party with with 459 00:20:37,544 --> 00:20:41,064 Speaker 1: my I guess now X crazy thing to say, and 460 00:20:41,304 --> 00:20:47,824 Speaker 1: was dumped in the party. I was told that there 461 00:20:47,864 --> 00:20:51,664 Speaker 1: are confused feelings there. Do with that what you. 462 00:20:51,624 --> 00:20:56,544 Speaker 2: Will, Okay, So to kind of recap, kath Ebbs in 463 00:20:56,624 --> 00:21:01,424 Speaker 2: Australia flies eighteen hours to the UK to go to 464 00:21:01,544 --> 00:21:07,104 Speaker 2: the Big Brother finale after party to support their partner Jojo. 465 00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:11,424 Speaker 2: At the after party, kath Ebb says that Jojo broke 466 00:21:11,544 --> 00:21:15,344 Speaker 2: up with them and they were there to kind of 467 00:21:15,384 --> 00:21:17,984 Speaker 2: support their partner and yet they got broken up with 468 00:21:18,424 --> 00:21:20,984 Speaker 2: They also said that Chris was in the next room. 469 00:21:21,664 --> 00:21:23,824 Speaker 3: That was a very pointed thing to say in that video. 470 00:21:23,944 --> 00:21:26,224 Speaker 3: I thought, like, really bringing like he's in the mix, Like, 471 00:21:26,264 --> 00:21:28,424 Speaker 3: we obviously don't know to the extent of what's happening 472 00:21:28,464 --> 00:21:31,024 Speaker 3: between these three people and Jojo and Quis, but the 473 00:21:31,024 --> 00:21:33,944 Speaker 3: fact that they mentioned him and that he was in 474 00:21:34,064 --> 00:21:36,544 Speaker 3: the room in like a hotel suite or something like 475 00:21:36,584 --> 00:21:39,624 Speaker 3: that is just really heightening the whole story. 476 00:21:39,864 --> 00:21:42,584 Speaker 2: And I think people have been split in the middle 477 00:21:42,824 --> 00:21:46,624 Speaker 2: with this story. In particular, there are the people who 478 00:21:47,344 --> 00:21:48,984 Speaker 2: are watching and you can see all these comments on 479 00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:51,664 Speaker 2: TikTok of all the clips of Jojo and Chris together, 480 00:21:51,784 --> 00:21:55,504 Speaker 2: people shipping them hard. Yeah, like people love this idea. 481 00:21:55,584 --> 00:21:59,024 Speaker 2: It's also important to point out that in the house, 482 00:21:59,344 --> 00:22:02,024 Speaker 2: Jojo came out as queer. Previously she had come out 483 00:22:02,064 --> 00:22:03,944 Speaker 2: as a lesbian, and she kind of had this moment 484 00:22:03,944 --> 00:22:06,264 Speaker 2: in the house which was actually quite beautiful of her 485 00:22:06,464 --> 00:22:09,864 Speaker 2: having this realization about herself saying no, I'm queer, and 486 00:22:10,064 --> 00:22:13,224 Speaker 2: people are running with that to say that because of 487 00:22:13,264 --> 00:22:16,304 Speaker 2: her admitting that she's quicks because she now likes Chris, 488 00:22:16,304 --> 00:22:17,704 Speaker 2: which I don't think is the right. 489 00:22:17,584 --> 00:22:17,984 Speaker 4: Thing to do. 490 00:22:18,184 --> 00:22:21,144 Speaker 3: I think that's getting into like a really messy situation 491 00:22:21,264 --> 00:22:24,744 Speaker 3: where you're bringing someone's like sexuality and labels into this 492 00:22:24,824 --> 00:22:27,704 Speaker 3: really intense thing of like because she said this, she 493 00:22:27,784 --> 00:22:29,704 Speaker 3: must mean this, and it must mean this that sort 494 00:22:29,704 --> 00:22:31,224 Speaker 3: of thing. I think that's more of a fluid like 495 00:22:31,544 --> 00:22:34,744 Speaker 3: conversation and regardless of all this happening, because she could 496 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:36,384 Speaker 3: have said that in the house and then could have 497 00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:38,384 Speaker 3: had no accusations of cheating or anything like that, I 498 00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:41,384 Speaker 3: think it's totally separate. I'm just thinking like in terms 499 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:43,704 Speaker 3: of when I was watching that video obviously, like the 500 00:22:43,864 --> 00:22:46,504 Speaker 3: scale of this, like having the whole world be so 501 00:22:46,624 --> 00:22:49,144 Speaker 3: intense on watching this, but just putting yourself in kath 502 00:22:49,184 --> 00:22:51,304 Speaker 3: eb shoes for a second, of like getting on that 503 00:22:51,344 --> 00:22:53,064 Speaker 3: flight from Australia to the UK, which you want to 504 00:22:53,424 --> 00:22:54,184 Speaker 3: a bitch of a flight. 505 00:22:54,584 --> 00:22:56,224 Speaker 4: It's long, it's bad when you're going on a nice 506 00:22:56,224 --> 00:22:57,104 Speaker 4: holiday and. 507 00:22:57,104 --> 00:22:59,744 Speaker 2: Also going excited to see your partner. 508 00:22:59,864 --> 00:23:01,824 Speaker 3: I don't even know if they were excited because of 509 00:23:01,824 --> 00:23:05,144 Speaker 3: the clip, because they have been watching this unfold worldwide 510 00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:07,784 Speaker 3: and watching the world like fall imagine like falling in 511 00:23:07,784 --> 00:23:09,824 Speaker 3: love with someone that you think is your person and 512 00:23:09,904 --> 00:23:12,264 Speaker 3: having the talks about getting married and everything, and you've 513 00:23:12,384 --> 00:23:15,304 Speaker 3: publicly declared all this to the world, like the world's invested. 514 00:23:15,624 --> 00:23:18,584 Speaker 3: And then that person who was your person goes on 515 00:23:18,624 --> 00:23:20,984 Speaker 3: a reality TV show and whether or not they had 516 00:23:21,024 --> 00:23:23,104 Speaker 3: some sort of an affair, it looks that way. It's 517 00:23:23,144 --> 00:23:25,664 Speaker 3: the entire world. So there's an extra pressure of like 518 00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:27,544 Speaker 3: the eyes on you. And then you get on a 519 00:23:27,584 --> 00:23:29,224 Speaker 3: fly and you fly that bitch of a flight to 520 00:23:29,224 --> 00:23:32,024 Speaker 3: the UK to go to the event to celebrate this 521 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:35,024 Speaker 3: TV show that has ripped your life apart. Because you 522 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:37,584 Speaker 3: watch your partner Big Brother's on early every night, so 523 00:23:37,624 --> 00:23:40,104 Speaker 3: it's like every night live streams, and so much of 524 00:23:40,144 --> 00:23:42,584 Speaker 3: the show was dedicated to Jojo and Curs. I even 525 00:23:42,624 --> 00:23:44,464 Speaker 3: couldn't even tell you the other people on that show, 526 00:23:44,504 --> 00:23:46,624 Speaker 3: Like my entire feed has just been filled with them. 527 00:23:46,824 --> 00:23:49,464 Speaker 3: And as I said before, the UK audience in particular 528 00:23:50,144 --> 00:23:52,384 Speaker 3: very invested in this love story. I've seen people calling 529 00:23:52,424 --> 00:23:54,464 Speaker 3: them like they're like, it's Jack and Rose from the Titanic. 530 00:23:54,544 --> 00:23:56,944 Speaker 3: They come from different worlds and they're making it work. 531 00:23:56,984 --> 00:23:58,104 Speaker 4: And I was like, what it's. 532 00:23:58,024 --> 00:24:00,464 Speaker 2: All because you see one hot tub scene, Yeah, I 533 00:24:00,504 --> 00:24:01,664 Speaker 2: mean that Jack and Rose. 534 00:24:01,704 --> 00:24:03,784 Speaker 3: Or him spinning her around the dance floor and they're 535 00:24:03,824 --> 00:24:05,904 Speaker 3: laughing and like all this like Romeo and Juliet, like 536 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,664 Speaker 3: everyone's very invested in this love story. And you see that, 537 00:24:08,744 --> 00:24:10,024 Speaker 3: and you still get on the plane and you go 538 00:24:10,024 --> 00:24:12,584 Speaker 3: into the party knowing that every single person that room 539 00:24:12,664 --> 00:24:14,904 Speaker 3: is looking at you and being like, oh, like I 540 00:24:14,944 --> 00:24:17,784 Speaker 3: know what's going to happen. And then that partner says 541 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,304 Speaker 3: to you, I don't want to be with you anymore, 542 00:24:19,944 --> 00:24:22,024 Speaker 3: like I can't even imagine. And then also what you've 543 00:24:22,064 --> 00:24:24,624 Speaker 3: got to like then fly the twenty five hours back 544 00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:25,704 Speaker 3: to Australia. 545 00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:28,184 Speaker 2: And you also have to consider the layers of fame 546 00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:32,344 Speaker 2: in this situation. Both Chris and Jojo are very very 547 00:24:32,344 --> 00:24:35,904 Speaker 2: famous people, like millions of followers both of them. Kath 548 00:24:36,464 --> 00:24:39,864 Speaker 2: is famous here in Australia, but in comparison, they're nowhere 549 00:24:39,904 --> 00:24:43,264 Speaker 2: near as famous as Jojo and Chris. So when you 550 00:24:43,304 --> 00:24:47,224 Speaker 2: put it all together, you're not only seeing like Jojo 551 00:24:47,504 --> 00:24:51,984 Speaker 2: seemingly quote unquote cheat on her partner, but then you're 552 00:24:51,984 --> 00:24:54,464 Speaker 2: also kind of just brushing that partner under the rug 553 00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:56,264 Speaker 2: because you don't really know them, so like, oh, well, 554 00:24:56,264 --> 00:24:59,064 Speaker 2: who cares about their feelings? And then they come back 555 00:24:59,104 --> 00:25:02,024 Speaker 2: to Australia where they're so so famous, so all everyone 556 00:25:02,064 --> 00:25:04,944 Speaker 2: wants to talk about is their reaction to this whole thing. 557 00:25:05,264 --> 00:25:07,464 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And that's something I thought was interesting in 558 00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:10,024 Speaker 3: a video that Abby Chatfield posts about the situation, so 559 00:25:10,104 --> 00:25:12,624 Speaker 3: Ad he's really good friends with Cath. I mean again, 560 00:25:12,664 --> 00:25:14,384 Speaker 3: I just know this from an outside like watching their 561 00:25:14,424 --> 00:25:16,264 Speaker 3: content over the years. They hang out a lot, their 562 00:25:16,344 --> 00:25:20,264 Speaker 3: good friends. And then Abby posted like screenshots of it, 563 00:25:20,304 --> 00:25:22,544 Speaker 3: like looked like a FaceTime group call with some of 564 00:25:22,544 --> 00:25:26,624 Speaker 3: their friends and Cath to Instagram today being basically like, 565 00:25:26,904 --> 00:25:28,824 Speaker 3: you know, we're hearing the full story and oh my god, 566 00:25:28,904 --> 00:25:30,784 Speaker 3: this is awful. And in the comment she's replying to 567 00:25:30,784 --> 00:25:33,104 Speaker 3: people being like this is awful for Cath. And then 568 00:25:33,144 --> 00:25:37,504 Speaker 3: she did a big TikTok video talking about the side 569 00:25:37,504 --> 00:25:39,424 Speaker 3: of it that she thinks people have missed, which is 570 00:25:39,544 --> 00:25:42,304 Speaker 3: just like how public it is, and it's interesting kind 571 00:25:42,344 --> 00:25:44,984 Speaker 3: of hearing from someone within the friend group who has 572 00:25:45,064 --> 00:25:47,544 Speaker 3: a lot more information than just like people like us 573 00:25:47,544 --> 00:25:50,384 Speaker 3: who were just watching like clips from the outside. Because 574 00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,624 Speaker 3: Abby was saying that they had met Jojo a few times, 575 00:25:52,704 --> 00:25:55,184 Speaker 3: you know, because they're dating their friend. Abby says Jodo 576 00:25:55,264 --> 00:25:57,624 Speaker 3: seemed really mature, but she now knows that isn't true, 577 00:25:57,624 --> 00:25:59,424 Speaker 3: which I thought was kind of like, you know, an 578 00:25:59,464 --> 00:26:02,944 Speaker 3: obvious statement given what's happening. But then she also talked 579 00:26:02,944 --> 00:26:05,184 Speaker 3: about she didn't share any of Kat's private information or 580 00:26:05,184 --> 00:26:06,704 Speaker 3: anything like that, but she just wanted to say that, 581 00:26:06,784 --> 00:26:10,344 Speaker 3: like it's a level of like higher humiliation almost because 582 00:26:10,464 --> 00:26:13,304 Speaker 3: of like how public it was. And she's like Jojo 583 00:26:13,344 --> 00:26:15,824 Speaker 3: has been raised in the spotlight. Her mum monetized her 584 00:26:15,904 --> 00:26:18,224 Speaker 3: since she was a tiny little child. She is a 585 00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:21,104 Speaker 3: rage beta, Like she's talented, but she's also a rage beta. 586 00:26:21,464 --> 00:26:24,784 Speaker 3: She has built a career off like big TikTok moments 587 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:26,904 Speaker 3: and viral videos and all that sort of stuff, so 588 00:26:26,944 --> 00:26:29,664 Speaker 3: she knows how to like build a story and build momentum, 589 00:26:29,904 --> 00:26:32,184 Speaker 3: and that she's done that purposely in the house without 590 00:26:32,264 --> 00:26:34,104 Speaker 3: kind of thinking about how it would affect a partner 591 00:26:34,104 --> 00:26:37,144 Speaker 3: on the outside, because she's going for the headline to 592 00:26:37,184 --> 00:26:39,184 Speaker 3: an extent, like not saying that she's like done this 593 00:26:39,344 --> 00:26:42,144 Speaker 3: all for show, but saying like she would know how 594 00:26:42,224 --> 00:26:45,144 Speaker 3: big the momentum this is going in the background, Like 595 00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:47,504 Speaker 3: she's not name enough to think that that story would 596 00:26:47,544 --> 00:26:49,184 Speaker 3: unfold in the house, and it wouldn't be the main 597 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:50,264 Speaker 3: storyline from the show. 598 00:26:50,584 --> 00:26:53,464 Speaker 2: And I feel like this story is going to follow 599 00:26:53,704 --> 00:26:57,344 Speaker 2: kath everywhere. Yeah, so long, but much longer. It will 600 00:26:57,344 --> 00:26:59,504 Speaker 2: follow them for much longer than I'll follow Jojo. 601 00:26:59,704 --> 00:27:00,504 Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing too. 602 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:02,904 Speaker 3: What I feel is probably happening for kath EV's at 603 00:27:02,904 --> 00:27:05,304 Speaker 3: the moment is that they would be getting just inundated 604 00:27:05,864 --> 00:27:08,784 Speaker 3: with media requests and interview requests, and there's heaps of 605 00:27:08,784 --> 00:27:11,344 Speaker 3: publications that whenever you have to, like we do if 606 00:27:11,384 --> 00:27:12,824 Speaker 3: we put someone on Mamma Me and we reach out 607 00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:14,464 Speaker 3: to them and be like, Hi, you know, would you 608 00:27:14,464 --> 00:27:16,144 Speaker 3: like to comment, We're running the story so that like 609 00:27:16,224 --> 00:27:18,824 Speaker 3: they're not blindsided, But there would also be so many 610 00:27:18,944 --> 00:27:22,584 Speaker 3: like radio stations and TV stations and everyone that would 611 00:27:22,584 --> 00:27:24,424 Speaker 3: be like just hounding Cath at the moment. 612 00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:28,344 Speaker 2: Even TikTok is of Australian TikTok is and there's a 613 00:27:28,424 --> 00:27:31,864 Speaker 2: lot of them. Yeah, my whole feed every second TikTok 614 00:27:32,104 --> 00:27:34,864 Speaker 2: is just people giving their two cents on this whole thing. 615 00:27:35,024 --> 00:27:36,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It looks like they're still in UK at 616 00:27:36,984 --> 00:27:38,784 Speaker 3: the moment. I'm assuming they'd be come back to Australia. 617 00:27:38,784 --> 00:27:40,104 Speaker 3: I don't know but I'm assuming they come back to 618 00:27:40,104 --> 00:27:44,064 Speaker 3: Australia too. Those yeah come back look after you. I'm 619 00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:46,864 Speaker 3: assuming when they come back to Australia. Our paparazzi culture 620 00:27:46,904 --> 00:27:48,744 Speaker 3: isn't as big here, but we know from a really 621 00:27:48,784 --> 00:27:51,784 Speaker 3: big celebs that it does really intensify when there's a story, 622 00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:54,384 Speaker 3: and so I'm sure they will be followed everywhere because 623 00:27:54,384 --> 00:27:57,664 Speaker 3: everyone want to have like photos of Jojo Cyx, you know, 624 00:27:58,024 --> 00:28:00,904 Speaker 3: looks downcast walking through the streets of Bondaine. It's like 625 00:28:00,904 --> 00:28:02,504 Speaker 3: they're probably just going to get a coffee, but it 626 00:28:02,544 --> 00:28:04,824 Speaker 3: doesn't matter because like you just get this one shot 627 00:28:04,824 --> 00:28:06,184 Speaker 3: and then it gets pushed out there. 628 00:28:06,464 --> 00:28:08,184 Speaker 2: And at the same time, for me when I go 629 00:28:08,224 --> 00:28:09,504 Speaker 2: get my coffee, yeah, I look. 630 00:28:09,384 --> 00:28:10,944 Speaker 4: Downcast all the time, and I've been. 631 00:28:10,904 --> 00:28:12,944 Speaker 2: Dumped by five people in the same day. 632 00:28:13,504 --> 00:28:16,584 Speaker 3: I'm her closed to break up and it's just how 633 00:28:16,624 --> 00:28:18,304 Speaker 3: my hair looks when I walk around my neighborhood. 634 00:28:18,344 --> 00:28:18,824 Speaker 4: So there's that. 635 00:28:18,904 --> 00:28:20,664 Speaker 3: The other side of it is that the Jojo and 636 00:28:20,744 --> 00:28:22,744 Speaker 3: Chris story is really heating up, we should say. When 637 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,704 Speaker 3: they came out of the house, they both said this 638 00:28:24,824 --> 00:28:26,464 Speaker 3: is just a friendship. It's really Britonic. 639 00:28:26,624 --> 00:28:28,744 Speaker 2: They love the word, you know, when you like have 640 00:28:28,784 --> 00:28:30,264 Speaker 2: one word in your head and you say it over 641 00:28:30,304 --> 00:28:32,064 Speaker 2: and over again. If you watch that interview, the amount 642 00:28:32,064 --> 00:28:34,584 Speaker 2: of times I said the word platonic, it's so funny, 643 00:28:34,584 --> 00:28:38,184 Speaker 2: and someone who said to them platonic over and over again. 644 00:28:38,464 --> 00:28:42,304 Speaker 2: But they are very very close friends. They were spotted 645 00:28:42,344 --> 00:28:43,584 Speaker 2: playing tennis together. 646 00:28:43,464 --> 00:28:44,984 Speaker 4: So that was a big thing from the house. 647 00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:48,504 Speaker 3: Again, I've never watched Celebrity UK, Big Brother or any 648 00:28:48,504 --> 00:28:49,624 Speaker 3: of these kind of shows. 649 00:28:49,624 --> 00:28:50,544 Speaker 4: The law I know about this. 650 00:28:50,544 --> 00:28:53,624 Speaker 3: Show win Big Brother, do you reckon? Yeah, I think 651 00:28:53,664 --> 00:28:55,144 Speaker 3: i'd either win or be the first to go. 652 00:28:55,624 --> 00:28:57,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they'll vote you because they're so scared of you. 653 00:28:57,784 --> 00:28:59,584 Speaker 4: No, I don't worry just because you either love me 654 00:28:59,664 --> 00:29:00,784 Speaker 4: or hate me. You could do it. 655 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,984 Speaker 2: Flex Mammy. Do you remember how she got out because 656 00:29:03,024 --> 00:29:05,344 Speaker 2: she was just so obsessed with talking and Big Brother 657 00:29:05,424 --> 00:29:07,864 Speaker 2: She kept going into the room and they found that. 658 00:29:07,984 --> 00:29:10,464 Speaker 3: So but again, that's a good example of some one 659 00:29:10,504 --> 00:29:13,464 Speaker 3: who's beloved by everyone, like everyone loves Flexmami, and then 660 00:29:13,464 --> 00:29:15,264 Speaker 3: goes in she goes into Big Brother house and it 661 00:29:15,384 --> 00:29:18,504 Speaker 3: just didn't translate, and it's like, how does that even happen? Yeah? Literally, 662 00:29:18,544 --> 00:29:20,384 Speaker 3: but yeah, So the amount of law I know about 663 00:29:20,424 --> 00:29:23,664 Speaker 3: UK big brother, though, thank you for saying that. Is 664 00:29:23,704 --> 00:29:25,824 Speaker 3: that there was so much of like this build up 665 00:29:25,824 --> 00:29:27,824 Speaker 3: of what their friendship was going to be from the outside, 666 00:29:27,824 --> 00:29:29,944 Speaker 3: Like they made this date like the first Sunday we 667 00:29:29,944 --> 00:29:32,224 Speaker 3: get out of the house, we're gonna go play tennis together. 668 00:29:32,264 --> 00:29:34,144 Speaker 3: And now there's all these shots of them going into 669 00:29:34,184 --> 00:29:37,464 Speaker 3: a country club to play tennis together. Jojo and Chris. 670 00:29:37,744 --> 00:29:40,344 Speaker 3: Either they are just friends because we still don't know, 671 00:29:40,944 --> 00:29:42,824 Speaker 3: and they were like trying to show the world, Look, 672 00:29:42,824 --> 00:29:45,824 Speaker 3: we're just friends playing tennis. All they've jumped completely into 673 00:29:45,904 --> 00:29:48,264 Speaker 3: this relationship. They were like breadcrumbing the whole time. 674 00:29:48,384 --> 00:29:50,544 Speaker 2: Well, they might not know themselves, like they might not 675 00:29:50,624 --> 00:29:54,744 Speaker 2: have had a relationship conversation. Maybe they're in a situationship, 676 00:29:54,784 --> 00:29:56,704 Speaker 2: and we all know when you're in a situationship, you 677 00:29:56,704 --> 00:29:59,344 Speaker 2: don't really mention you're in a situationship because I jinxes everything. 678 00:29:59,584 --> 00:30:02,264 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And again, I mean he's just a bit 679 00:30:02,264 --> 00:30:03,184 Speaker 3: of a fuck boy, isn't he. 680 00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:05,464 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look again, I'm only labeled. 681 00:30:05,504 --> 00:30:07,624 Speaker 3: I've only known about this man's existence for like three 682 00:30:07,704 --> 00:30:10,544 Speaker 3: weeks until I became very invested in this whole thing. 683 00:30:10,584 --> 00:30:12,664 Speaker 3: But that is the word on the street from people 684 00:30:12,664 --> 00:30:14,744 Speaker 3: who have followed him for a long time that he 685 00:30:14,944 --> 00:30:17,184 Speaker 3: is kind of like that. The other thing is to 686 00:30:17,304 --> 00:30:19,424 Speaker 3: like they're not posting heaps of photos or anything of 687 00:30:19,464 --> 00:30:22,824 Speaker 3: each other yet, but Chris's friends were posting like a 688 00:30:22,824 --> 00:30:25,544 Speaker 3: group dinner and he's at it and Jojo is like 689 00:30:25,544 --> 00:30:27,504 Speaker 3: sitting next to him with her arm around him and 690 00:30:27,624 --> 00:30:28,624 Speaker 3: like cuddling at the table. 691 00:30:28,664 --> 00:30:32,384 Speaker 4: Okay, again, could be platonic. I don't know. 692 00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:36,264 Speaker 2: I'm not a big hugger, but you don't just like my 693 00:30:36,304 --> 00:30:37,744 Speaker 2: friend's friend's dinner. 694 00:30:37,624 --> 00:30:40,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, and sit next to each other and hug through 695 00:30:40,344 --> 00:30:42,704 Speaker 3: the whole dinner. It's quite intense. 696 00:30:42,824 --> 00:30:43,264 Speaker 4: I don't know. 697 00:30:43,504 --> 00:30:46,224 Speaker 3: They are doing a sit down interview together in the 698 00:30:46,224 --> 00:30:48,904 Speaker 3: next twenty four hours Jojo and Chris like a morning 699 00:30:48,944 --> 00:30:51,104 Speaker 3: show in the UK, So I think that'll come, but 700 00:30:51,144 --> 00:30:53,784 Speaker 3: I don't together. Yeah, yeah, together. I mean, obviously we'll 701 00:30:53,784 --> 00:30:55,984 Speaker 3: report back once it happens at the time of recording. 702 00:30:55,984 --> 00:30:58,224 Speaker 2: And I just like the maake out during the interview. 703 00:30:58,504 --> 00:31:00,984 Speaker 3: I mean, aren't they came so close to making out. 704 00:31:01,064 --> 00:31:04,104 Speaker 3: There's allegations that Big Brother cut the kissing scenes between them, 705 00:31:04,144 --> 00:31:05,744 Speaker 3: but as if they're going to do that, they would 706 00:31:05,744 --> 00:31:07,424 Speaker 3: have been like kiss kiss from those you know, like 707 00:31:07,464 --> 00:31:08,464 Speaker 3: you can walk I don't know if you've been too 708 00:31:08,464 --> 00:31:10,664 Speaker 3: the Big Brother houses like in Australia and stuff. But 709 00:31:10,744 --> 00:31:14,704 Speaker 3: you walk through corridor you haven't well, I know. 710 00:31:14,664 --> 00:31:16,824 Speaker 2: You have for work, yeah, but don't talk to me 711 00:31:17,024 --> 00:31:19,784 Speaker 2: like I'm also on your level. I don't know if 712 00:31:19,784 --> 00:31:21,464 Speaker 2: you've been to the Oh, you know, I haven't been 713 00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:22,384 Speaker 2: doing Brother House. 714 00:31:22,504 --> 00:31:24,024 Speaker 3: I don't know that you can go to it to 715 00:31:24,304 --> 00:31:25,704 Speaker 3: I don't know what you do in your spare time. 716 00:31:25,824 --> 00:31:29,904 Speaker 3: Maybe you wait, wait, you know everything about it? So true? Okay, 717 00:31:29,944 --> 00:31:32,144 Speaker 3: so when you go to the Big Brother you walk 718 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:34,424 Speaker 3: through there's all these corridors in the house where it's 719 00:31:34,424 --> 00:31:36,864 Speaker 3: like you're like glass that you see and there's heaps 720 00:31:36,864 --> 00:31:39,304 Speaker 3: of people behind there. So you're like if people are 721 00:31:39,304 --> 00:31:41,904 Speaker 3: having a conversation and there's always a piece of glass 722 00:31:41,904 --> 00:31:43,664 Speaker 3: next to them, there's like fifteen people on the other 723 00:31:43,704 --> 00:31:45,064 Speaker 3: side of it who are listening. 724 00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:45,384 Speaker 4: Yeah. 725 00:31:45,464 --> 00:31:47,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I can just imagine the whole time they're 726 00:31:48,024 --> 00:31:49,824 Speaker 3: like the people behind the glass who were next to 727 00:31:49,904 --> 00:31:52,064 Speaker 3: Jojo and Chris's heads. The whole time, there would have 728 00:31:52,104 --> 00:31:54,584 Speaker 3: been heaps of people behind that wall, behind it, not just. 729 00:31:54,504 --> 00:31:56,104 Speaker 2: Like cameras set up in the house, you. 730 00:31:56,184 --> 00:31:58,344 Speaker 3: Know, there's cameras set up everywhere, but there's like walk 731 00:31:58,384 --> 00:32:01,144 Speaker 3: throughs with the double sided glass, so like when they're 732 00:32:01,184 --> 00:32:03,224 Speaker 3: looking in the glass mirror, like it's like mirrors, but 733 00:32:03,264 --> 00:32:05,704 Speaker 3: it's you can it's like being a detective's office. 734 00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:07,064 Speaker 2: Like you can see that. 735 00:32:07,304 --> 00:32:09,824 Speaker 3: So I know the UK one's different, like a kind 736 00:32:09,824 --> 00:32:12,984 Speaker 3: of lips and just someone there's like fifteen people, no exactly, 737 00:32:13,224 --> 00:32:15,264 Speaker 3: Well you can stand there and like just be in 738 00:32:15,304 --> 00:32:17,904 Speaker 3: the midst of everything. That's what the producers do, and 739 00:32:17,984 --> 00:32:20,384 Speaker 3: so I can just imagine those people being like kiss kiss, kiss, 740 00:32:20,384 --> 00:32:22,944 Speaker 3: because like the ratings would have been through the roof, 741 00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:25,184 Speaker 3: and I think like the show did pick up international 742 00:32:25,184 --> 00:32:27,864 Speaker 3: momentum because of this. So that's the other thing, and 743 00:32:27,864 --> 00:32:30,544 Speaker 3: that's also the hard thing for kath Eb's is that 744 00:32:31,184 --> 00:32:33,704 Speaker 3: this has become like this worldwide news story, like it's 745 00:32:33,744 --> 00:32:36,184 Speaker 3: the front page of like people daily mail. 746 00:32:36,024 --> 00:32:38,944 Speaker 2: Because they're not only going through a public breakup, but 747 00:32:39,184 --> 00:32:43,664 Speaker 2: they're also going through the public watching their partner fall 748 00:32:43,704 --> 00:32:47,024 Speaker 2: out of love with them. Yeah, oh I hate it. 749 00:32:47,024 --> 00:32:49,304 Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's a different level I think of a 750 00:32:49,344 --> 00:32:52,864 Speaker 3: breakup than most people couldn't even comprehend, like going through 751 00:32:52,864 --> 00:32:55,064 Speaker 3: a breakup and then having that extra layer on it. 752 00:32:55,304 --> 00:32:59,824 Speaker 3: And again it's everyone romanticizing their relationship. Like I've seen 753 00:32:59,824 --> 00:33:02,184 Speaker 3: a few people sort of say, like mostly Australian people 754 00:33:02,184 --> 00:33:04,224 Speaker 3: commenting on people who are friends with kath Bey like 755 00:33:04,584 --> 00:33:06,824 Speaker 3: Joe John Chris will never say they're in a relationship 756 00:33:06,824 --> 00:33:08,384 Speaker 3: because they know they'll be hated, and it was like 757 00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:09,864 Speaker 3: they will not be hated. 758 00:33:10,384 --> 00:33:11,704 Speaker 4: They will be a small group of people. 759 00:33:11,744 --> 00:33:15,064 Speaker 3: But the bigger fandom, like the international fandom I've obsessed with, 760 00:33:15,464 --> 00:33:18,784 Speaker 3: so invested in their relationship because people feel like they 761 00:33:18,824 --> 00:33:21,144 Speaker 3: watch them fall in love on camera, and that's the 762 00:33:21,264 --> 00:33:24,104 Speaker 3: thing that people crave most in reality TV, Like they 763 00:33:24,144 --> 00:33:26,704 Speaker 3: crave a relationship to be very invested in and to 764 00:33:26,824 --> 00:33:29,024 Speaker 3: watch it happen in front of them. And that's what 765 00:33:29,024 --> 00:33:31,584 Speaker 3: they think happened. They think that she's kind of found 766 00:33:31,624 --> 00:33:33,864 Speaker 3: the love of her life, this Prince Charming and he's 767 00:33:33,904 --> 00:33:37,184 Speaker 3: like this reformed bad boy who was a fuck boy, 768 00:33:37,224 --> 00:33:39,744 Speaker 3: but she's changed him. Like that's the narrative from them 769 00:33:39,744 --> 00:33:41,704 Speaker 3: being in a reality show for a couple of weeks. 770 00:33:42,144 --> 00:33:43,024 Speaker 2: It's too much for me. 771 00:33:43,464 --> 00:33:45,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean as much as we been talking 772 00:33:45,784 --> 00:33:48,304 Speaker 3: about it, obviously is like an kicky yeah yeah, and 773 00:33:48,784 --> 00:33:51,264 Speaker 3: a lot of kind of empathy for Catheb's going through 774 00:33:51,264 --> 00:33:53,584 Speaker 3: that and the whole situation, and I guess we'll see 775 00:33:53,624 --> 00:33:56,584 Speaker 3: what they say in this interview. One unfolds in the 776 00:33:56,584 --> 00:33:59,184 Speaker 3: next couple of weeks, and JoJo's only put up one thing, 777 00:33:59,544 --> 00:34:01,544 Speaker 3: one main story since she left the house since that 778 00:34:01,584 --> 00:34:04,064 Speaker 3: she's desperate to stay in the UK, that's what she 779 00:34:04,104 --> 00:34:06,264 Speaker 3: wants to do, so I think the story is just 780 00:34:06,304 --> 00:34:07,144 Speaker 3: going to keep on going. 781 00:34:07,624 --> 00:34:09,904 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 782 00:34:09,944 --> 00:34:12,464 Speaker 2: The Spill is produced by Amy Kimball with sound production 783 00:34:12,504 --> 00:34:14,304 Speaker 2: by Scott Stohnick. And we'll be back here on your 784 00:34:14,304 --> 00:34:22,624 Speaker 2: podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye,