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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out loud.

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Speaker 3: I was just noticed that it's Friday the thirteenth. I

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Speaker 3: was all like, very woot about everything and very upbeat,

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Speaker 3: and now I'm like, oh, how is it the thirteenth

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Speaker 3: on a Friday.

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Speaker 2: We don't like that.

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Speaker 4: It was Friday the thirteenth last month too.

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Speaker 2: Something's happening.

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Speaker 4: This is a haunted year. Yeah, we will.

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Speaker 2: Endeavor to keep the demons at bay. On today's show.

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Speaker 2: My name is Holly wayIn Wright. My name is EMM Vernon.

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Speaker 4: In the script it says my name's Esse Stephens, but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not hopefully out louders already today you have heard our

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Speaker 3: Jesse Stephens because we're dropping this on a Friday, as

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Speaker 3: we always do. But you also already got a little trere,

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Speaker 3: which was Jesse Stephens's story all about the birth of

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Speaker 3: her twins. So if you haven't listened to that and

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Speaker 3: you're interested, please do. If you're not interested, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: That's absolutely.

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Speaker 5: It was more for her.

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Speaker 4: She wanted to yell to share some stuff went down,

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Speaker 4: and the out louders need to know.

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Speaker 2: Good point anyway, here on our twin free show, except

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Speaker 2: not because Claire's with us. Anyway. Here's what's made our

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Speaker 2: agenda for today good news.

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Speaker 5: For the emotional girlies like myself.

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Speaker 2: We no longer need to listen to the boy bosses

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Speaker 2: of the world because it actually is okay to cry

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Speaker 2: at work?

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Speaker 5: Oh is it?

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Speaker 4: And how do you implement an opening shift in your

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Speaker 4: morning routine to just make your day a bit more

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Speaker 4: organized and calmer.

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Speaker 3: Recommendations are going to include a TV show that everyone

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Speaker 3: is telling me to watch and now including I am. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Claire has an excellent.

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Speaker 2: Book and I might just have the perfect background watch.

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Speaker 3: For Saturday morning cleaning. You know how you got to

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Speaker 3: do chores on Saturday mornings, do you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Some of us do. Some of us do.

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Speaker 4: I love having the TV on and then folding washing,

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Speaker 4: but I'm really watching the TV.

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Speaker 3: I've got you, I've got you with my reco today.

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Speaker 3: But first look, it's the Oscars on Monday. We're going

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Speaker 3: to do a special little Oscar segment on the Monday

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Speaker 3: Show on Monday afternoon. But if you want to sound

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Speaker 3: like you know what you're talking about over the weekend

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Speaker 3: when you're hanging out with people, we have some very

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Speaker 3: stupid predictions for you about what's going to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you can take them on you cannot. You can

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Speaker 3: hold them against us on Monday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It's fine. We don't care. First one that I.

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Speaker 3: Predict everyone at the Oscars party will be dressed really boring.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no color anymore. Everyone's just wearing.

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Speaker 3: Black, beige, whatever until the Vanity Fair party, Yes, when

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Speaker 3: everyone will be naked.

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Speaker 5: So annoying. I wish they dressed like that for the

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Speaker 4: I do think naked is encroaching on formal events. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes things more interesting, especially if it's the

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Speaker 2: guys the Grammys and Justin Bieber's just performing in his Yeah,

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Speaker 4: We already saw his bottom in his movie we did.

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Speaker 3: Everyone will be very very thin. We already know that, right.

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Speaker 3: won't walk with Timothy because the vibes are bad. Now,

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Speaker 3: I think she's not going to do that.

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Speaker 2: You know what one of my Kylie predictions is is

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Speaker 2: Hamilton's going to come with Kim Kardashian to the Vanity

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Speaker 4: Okay, my question about Lewis Hamilton will he be like?

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Speaker 2: He's a producer on that film that and that film

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Speaker 2: is one of the best Oscar nominations because you know,

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Speaker 4: I really like that. I do like when my celebrities

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Speaker 3: I predict we'll be excessively excited about our two Australian nominations,

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Speaker 3: which are for mister or Lordie.

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Speaker 2: I predict he will be tall.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think he'll be tall and sexy.

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Speaker 2: Probably go with his mom because that's his vibe. Very Leo.

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Speaker 4: So even though he's bloody dating that girl supermodel, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: who's got naughty parents?

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Speaker 5: Anyway, her fault.

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Speaker 4: She want a university college admission scan.

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Speaker 2: No, I remember that. Yes, she was one of the

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Speaker 4: She's really pretty.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he'll get a new haircut like Margo, because Margo

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Speaker 3: She chopped it out, chopped off. Jacob might shave his head.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get to shave.

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Speaker 2: Roseburn obviously is also nominated. She's not going to win.

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Speaker 2: No offense. Burn, I think you're second in line. It's probability,

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Speaker 2: but I hope there's no lizard convention happening. I husband,

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Speaker 5: Some reptils shouldn't be a pet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely shouldn't. He might have been eaten by it.

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Speaker 2: He definitely won't be there. That may serve him right.

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Speaker 3: Conan O'Brien is hosting. I predict he'll be funny, but

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Speaker 2: The Golden Globe.

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Speaker 4: No, because Nikki crosses the line and that's what I want.

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Speaker 4: I hope Conan O'Brien makes some current jokes, some ballet

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Speaker 3: I reckon, we might get ballet jokes, but I reckon,

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Speaker 3: we won't get politics. I think we won't get politics.

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Speaker 3: And I also think they're going to be like super

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Speaker 3: With that, it'll be like giving Kyle and Jackiel a

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? I say, very true, lots of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I reckon so my predictions, And I will

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Speaker 4: caveat this by saying I'm going off vibes only because

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Speaker 4: I've only seen a handful of the movie. I'm only

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Speaker 4: going off vibes. One battle after another is gonna win

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Speaker 4: Best Picture. But that pisses me off because I've already

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Speaker 4: seen that movie. I haven't seen that movie, but I've

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Speaker 3: What you mean, Yes, you're like, that's a movie the

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Speaker 2: Paul Thomas Anderson.

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Speaker 4: Correct, and even the titles boring. It's like one battle

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like it is true, like

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Speaker 4: I guess I just like Sinners needs that like originality,

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Speaker 4: it trumps it every single time. I do think Timmy

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Speaker 4: Leo where you've just got to be patient, mate, Lea,

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Speaker 2: Sit there Leo again.

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Speaker 3: See what are the people I always feel sorry for

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Speaker 3: is when you're in the awards circuit but you're definitely

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Speaker 3: this year, it's not her year. No one's even pretending

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Speaker 2: She still has to go. She does put the dress on,

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Speaker 2: So it's like and that Leah must be feeling a

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Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan is going to win Best Actor.

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Speaker 3: Jordan by a whisker they put apparently they like crunched

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Speaker 3: Jordan's thirty three point two and Timothy thirty one point three,

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Speaker 2: Well. My unpopular opinion is that he actually should have

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Speaker 4: He would know very well.

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Speaker 5: Twins are different people. They are.

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Speaker 4: Like two different people. One was hot, yeah, one with.

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Speaker 2: also maybe fair fantasy. My I have a next year prediction,

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Speaker 2: So I don't think Timothy will win this year. He

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Speaker 5: Sad but it's fine.

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Speaker 2: But I do think Kylie Jenner will win next year

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Speaker 4: Ex I've heard he's really good.

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Speaker 5: But she's better than Anyone's.

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Speaker 2: A good movie. It's really good. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 5: But Kylie er steals a show.

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Speaker 2: I'd watch him do anything.

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Speaker 4: I want to see the rupture between Timothy and Kylie.

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Speaker 5: By Timothy so great.

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Speaker 3: My last is K Pop Demon Hunters, right, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: me as a gen xer is when you see him

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Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson did at award shows when I was young.

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Speaker 3: So he's like the old guy now, like just making

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Speaker 2: Like cool young guy to sad old guy. He doesn't

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Speaker 5: He was like the K pop people, I don't get

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Speaker 3: They will also make sure that no demons infiltrate the event,

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Speaker 2: We've all had a cry at work, so whether it's

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Speaker 2: And then it should just be agreed upon that no

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Speaker 4: all the prep, Yeah, to cut all the fruit and

440
00:20:53,314 --> 00:20:56,674
Speaker 4: stock up the juices and fill up the ice, like

441
00:20:56,714 --> 00:21:00,154
Speaker 4: get everything ready so that you didn't then panic when

442
00:21:00,154 --> 00:21:03,513
Speaker 4: you had one customer. I also worked at the video

443
00:21:03,554 --> 00:21:05,634
Speaker 4: shop and you'd process the return.

444
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Speaker 5: What a good job?

445
00:21:07,114 --> 00:21:10,074
Speaker 4: Who It was a vibe A job doesn't exist anymore,

446
00:21:10,154 --> 00:21:12,714
Speaker 4: I know. And it was like you'd rotate the stock

447
00:21:12,914 --> 00:21:15,754
Speaker 4: and you'd like put a movie on. It was so good.

448
00:21:15,754 --> 00:21:18,194
Speaker 4: And then at a bar or restaurant that I worked out,

449
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:21,273
Speaker 4: you'd fold the napkins and polish the cutlery, all of that.

450
00:21:22,074 --> 00:21:26,074
Speaker 4: So an opening shift morning routine can be anything from

451
00:21:26,314 --> 00:21:29,034
Speaker 4: making your bed because you're just you're thinking ahead. You're

452
00:21:29,074 --> 00:21:32,434
Speaker 4: just planning the day meal, prepping your lunch, stretching, journaling

453
00:21:32,594 --> 00:21:35,594
Speaker 4: a sunrise walk. I know, this is all very holy.

454
00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:38,313
Speaker 4: I can see you doing that. According to an article

455
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Speaker 4: in Every Girl by Catherine Chang, she says, your opening

456
00:21:42,554 --> 00:21:46,634
Speaker 4: shift routine should leave you feeling organized, clear headed, and

457
00:21:46,874 --> 00:21:50,154
Speaker 4: up for tackling whatever the day brings, which is exactly

458
00:21:50,234 --> 00:21:53,234
Speaker 4: how I feel about my mornings. I need to know

459
00:21:53,274 --> 00:21:55,793
Speaker 4: your opening shifts and what does yours look like?

460
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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Alarm goes off at six thirty am.

461
00:22:00,274 --> 00:22:01,273
Speaker 4: That's so ambitious.

462
00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:05,234
Speaker 5: I get out of bed at seven forty five, which

463
00:22:05,314 --> 00:22:06,834
Speaker 5: is improvement to my eight p fifteen.

464
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Speaker 2: What are we doing between six thirty and seven? Can

465
00:22:09,714 --> 00:22:10,634
Speaker 2: we going back to sleep?

466
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Speaker 1: No?

467
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Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like because if I go back

468
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Speaker 2: to sleep, then it affects my quartersole levels, so I

469
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Speaker 2: can't do you know that as a fact.

470
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Speaker 5: No, I've been told that Hub themIn Bro guy, I

471
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Speaker 5: believe that. So I just kind of stay.

472
00:22:26,074 --> 00:22:29,273
Speaker 2: Awake, like, roll around, look at my ceiling, scroll on Instagram,

473
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Speaker 2: and then I get out of bed at seven forty five.

474
00:22:31,514 --> 00:22:33,794
Speaker 2: Immediately make my bed because I've been told that's how

475
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Speaker 2: you're meant to start your day. I then shower, if

476
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Speaker 2: it's a shower day. Every second day it is a

477
00:22:38,794 --> 00:22:41,914
Speaker 2: shower day. Brush my teeth, do my skincare, have my

478
00:22:41,954 --> 00:22:45,593
Speaker 2: coffee in my kitchen, choose what I'm wearing, then not

479
00:22:45,754 --> 00:22:48,034
Speaker 2: like it, so then re choose what I'm wearing. Then

480
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Speaker 2: I chose it.

481
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Speaker 5: Now I think it's probably about like.

482
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Speaker 2: Eightish, okay, and then I check Slack and look at

483
00:22:56,194 --> 00:22:58,234
Speaker 2: my email, look for some pictures because I leave those

484
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Speaker 2: for last minute for the podcast. I make some toast

485
00:23:00,994 --> 00:23:03,914
Speaker 2: or a smoothie or some scrambled eggs because I'm so

486
00:23:04,074 --> 00:23:08,914
Speaker 2: luxurious scrambled eggs. I love scrambled eck and then toilet.

487
00:23:08,994 --> 00:23:11,874
Speaker 2: Spend quite some time nexcause I've had my coffee. Remember, yes,

488
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Speaker 2: I got affected.

489
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Speaker 4: Got affected at the.

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Speaker 2: Time, and then I leave and walk to work at

491
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Speaker 2: around eight thirty. I grabbed my second coffee on the

492
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Speaker 2: way to work, and then I get to work around

493
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Speaker 2: eight point fifty, which is like my social time, see

494
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Speaker 2: my friends, and then ten minutes of chitty chat.

495
00:23:26,754 --> 00:23:29,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, ten minutes of fun time. That's pretty good.

496
00:23:29,474 --> 00:23:31,714
Speaker 2: You squeezed a lot into an hour there, and then

497
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Speaker 2: I get to work a night. However, I do need

498
00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:37,554
Speaker 2: to talk about another routine I did this week, because

499
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Speaker 2: this week I did my mom's morning routine for the

500
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Speaker 2: first time ever. I stayed with my parents for a

501
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Speaker 2: week day because I had to drive my car to

502
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Speaker 2: my parents' house and my dad can take you to

503
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Speaker 2: the mechanic. She couldn't possibly take no, no, no, no no job.

504
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Speaker 5: So I stayed the night on my parents. Okay, five

505
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Speaker 5: point forty five. I'm up no gym time with my mom.

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Speaker 1: My.

507
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Speaker 2: Mum goes to the gym downstairs in her apartment complex.

508
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Speaker 5: We then shower. Cashi showers over, so we had to

509
00:24:06,714 --> 00:24:07,674
Speaker 5: go through a shower.

510
00:24:07,834 --> 00:24:10,194
Speaker 2: Well, she works out every day, Yeah yeah, but like

511
00:24:10,274 --> 00:24:12,994
Speaker 2: this is interesting for her. She lays her clothes out

512
00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:15,074
Speaker 2: the night before and I didn't come with anything because

513
00:24:15,074 --> 00:24:16,554
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna spend the night. So then she laid

514
00:24:16,554 --> 00:24:19,793
Speaker 2: also my clothes out the night before. So then what

515
00:24:19,834 --> 00:24:23,154
Speaker 2: I was wearing on Tuesday is my mom. My mom

516
00:24:23,394 --> 00:24:27,273
Speaker 2: chose my outfit. Then we go to the Metro, so

517
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Speaker 2: Dad drops us off at the Metro. Public transport is

518
00:24:30,074 --> 00:24:33,074
Speaker 2: so busy on a weekday.

519
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Speaker 5: Welcome to the world is insane.

520
00:24:34,874 --> 00:24:37,074
Speaker 2: So what my mom does is she goes backwards to

521
00:24:37,114 --> 00:24:39,234
Speaker 2: go forwards. So she's like, we have to take the

522
00:24:39,274 --> 00:24:41,314
Speaker 2: metro that goes back a stop so we can get

523
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Speaker 2: a seat and then we get back on again.

524
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Speaker 5: So we're sitting down and they we're in the city.

525
00:24:45,754 --> 00:24:48,474
Speaker 5: We're in the city. My ten to eight am. What

526
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Speaker 5: am I gonna do?

527
00:24:49,034 --> 00:24:50,874
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go to work an hour before everyone

528
00:24:50,914 --> 00:24:52,954
Speaker 2: else like a loser. So I'm like, you have to

529
00:24:52,994 --> 00:24:54,394
Speaker 2: have breakfast for meats, and then we have an hour

530
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Speaker 2: breakfast and then then might work at the same time. Wow,

531
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Speaker 2: So why does she go in so early? Then?

532
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

533
00:25:01,074 --> 00:25:05,594
Speaker 2: I think it's like a mid fifties thing. She loves

534
00:25:05,594 --> 00:25:06,834
Speaker 2: it so much.

535
00:25:09,474 --> 00:25:09,914
Speaker 5: Love it.

536
00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:15,354
Speaker 2: I your morning routine. At the moment shift.

537
00:25:15,034 --> 00:25:18,914
Speaker 4: Looks, Oh, I'm so tired, So no need for an alarm.

538
00:25:19,074 --> 00:25:24,154
Speaker 2: That's lucky todd they tend.

539
00:25:24,034 --> 00:25:26,794
Speaker 4: To be they are the alarm. So Matilda has started

540
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Speaker 4: waking at five quite liably.

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Speaker 1: Have we.

542
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Speaker 4: I know they'd have a lovely time toddler. But the

543
00:25:35,514 --> 00:25:37,874
Speaker 4: thing about so she wakes up at five every morning,

544
00:25:38,034 --> 00:25:41,794
Speaker 4: and then the morning that Jesse she went into labor.

545
00:25:41,834 --> 00:25:44,194
Speaker 4: Then she had a sea section. Jesse messaged me at

546
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Speaker 4: five saying I'm about to have the C section come in,

547
00:25:48,154 --> 00:25:52,954
Speaker 4: and Matilda slept in till six, and I'm like, you troll,

548
00:25:53,114 --> 00:25:56,034
Speaker 4: you are so reliable usually so anyway, I missed it.

549
00:25:56,514 --> 00:26:00,714
Speaker 4: But Rory and I rotate mornings early mornings because we

550
00:26:00,834 --> 00:26:04,553
Speaker 4: both bloody hate them. But on my new office days,

551
00:26:04,794 --> 00:26:07,793
Speaker 4: I do the early start because I've got to be

552
00:26:07,794 --> 00:26:10,674
Speaker 4: out of the house early to take Matilda to daycare

553
00:26:10,914 --> 00:26:13,714
Speaker 4: with a toddler. The more time you have for just

554
00:26:13,834 --> 00:26:16,634
Speaker 4: every step of what you have to do, the better,

555
00:26:16,994 --> 00:26:20,994
Speaker 4: Because putting on shoes is gonna take twenty five minutes. Okay,

556
00:26:21,954 --> 00:26:25,833
Speaker 4: So I try to do a load of washing. I

557
00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:27,394
Speaker 4: have a scroll listen to.

558
00:26:27,874 --> 00:26:30,793
Speaker 5: A load of washing in the morning. Yeah, you just gotta.

559
00:26:30,594 --> 00:26:32,434
Speaker 4: You've just got to stay on top of it. Yeah,

560
00:26:32,634 --> 00:26:37,874
Speaker 4: otherwise otherwise afternoons and nightmare. Yeah. So then I'm listening

561
00:26:37,874 --> 00:26:41,754
Speaker 4: to my ABC podcast. Matilda's yelling at me to play Mmma.

562
00:26:42,554 --> 00:26:45,513
Speaker 4: Around six thirty, I'll have a shower with Matilda, have

563
00:26:45,554 --> 00:26:48,194
Speaker 4: a conversation while we're in the shower. That's lovely. Then

564
00:26:48,234 --> 00:26:51,114
Speaker 4: we wake up dadda and there's a whole song. There's

565
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Speaker 4: a song. We walk into the bedroom singing. So that's

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Speaker 4: about six forty five.

567
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Speaker 2: You're this is your first rotation around the bed.

568
00:27:03,074 --> 00:27:05,074
Speaker 5: Yeah, before my alarm goes off.

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00:27:05,274 --> 00:27:09,234
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then Matilda helps me pick my clothes, helps me

570
00:27:09,274 --> 00:27:11,273
Speaker 4: do my hair and makeup, and then was.

571
00:27:11,314 --> 00:27:12,154
Speaker 5: Very similar to my mom.

572
00:27:12,394 --> 00:27:14,674
Speaker 2: Yeah she's there.

573
00:27:15,514 --> 00:27:19,314
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like morning and I'm like cannee no. And

574
00:27:19,354 --> 00:27:21,794
Speaker 4: then we go through an a deal because she wants

575
00:27:21,874 --> 00:27:24,154
Speaker 4: to wear her MMMA dress to daycare and I've had

576
00:27:24,154 --> 00:27:26,033
Speaker 4: to lie and say it's not allowed in the building.

577
00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:28,273
Speaker 4: This whole time. By the way, she's walking around with

578
00:27:28,474 --> 00:27:31,874
Speaker 4: toast in both hands, getting it on all walls and surfaces,

579
00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:34,914
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to stop that. Everything that should take

580
00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:38,594
Speaker 4: a minute takes ten. And that's so important. So getting

581
00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:43,033
Speaker 4: from front door to the car ten minutes, getting from

582
00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:46,994
Speaker 4: the car into daycare ten minutes, maybe fifteen or twenty

583
00:27:47,074 --> 00:27:49,273
Speaker 4: on a bad day, because she's got to show me

584
00:27:49,394 --> 00:27:51,434
Speaker 4: they've got a pet, Tommy the turtle, and she's got

585
00:27:51,434 --> 00:27:53,114
Speaker 4: to feed Timmy the turtle, and I've got to watch,

586
00:27:53,114 --> 00:27:54,634
Speaker 4: and she's got to introduce me to her friends.

587
00:27:54,634 --> 00:27:55,354
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

588
00:27:55,474 --> 00:27:58,314
Speaker 4: And then and then I'm on her way.

589
00:27:58,154 --> 00:28:02,394
Speaker 2: To work so emotionally and I'm like, I'm so interested

590
00:28:02,434 --> 00:28:03,553
Speaker 2: in your turtle child.

591
00:28:03,634 --> 00:28:06,234
Speaker 4: How did this? I'm like, oh, how is this?

592
00:28:06,354 --> 00:28:09,194
Speaker 5: She's the big and we're like claires. Five minutes later,

593
00:28:09,234 --> 00:28:09,994
Speaker 5: A yeah.

594
00:28:10,234 --> 00:28:11,474
Speaker 4: And I'm like, sorry, guys.

595
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Speaker 3: The most one of the most viral stories I ever

596
00:28:14,634 --> 00:28:17,074
Speaker 3: wrote for Mama Mao was a story called the Things

597
00:28:17,114 --> 00:28:19,793
Speaker 3: I've Done by nine Am, and I wrote it eleven

598
00:28:19,914 --> 00:28:22,674
Speaker 3: years ago, right, and it's a list.

599
00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:25,314
Speaker 4: So your kids would have been like so then they.

600
00:28:25,234 --> 00:28:27,793
Speaker 3: Would have been yeah, so they would have been like

601
00:28:28,034 --> 00:28:33,114
Speaker 3: three and five, right, And it had things like I have.

602
00:28:33,634 --> 00:28:38,514
Speaker 2: Dealt with three people's pooh this morning, I have stripped Wait,

603
00:28:39,114 --> 00:28:40,114
Speaker 2: who's the other one?

604
00:28:41,234 --> 00:28:50,874
Speaker 7: Mee was minimal involvement, was bad, bad strip, two beds

605
00:28:50,874 --> 00:28:53,434
Speaker 7: and done, two loads of washing, always done, three different

606
00:28:53,434 --> 00:28:58,714
Speaker 7: breaks wait bed because someone's always weed. Oh no, yeah,

607
00:28:58,754 --> 00:29:00,914
Speaker 7: Like there's a lot of that, right, So there's a

608
00:29:00,914 --> 00:29:04,394
Speaker 7: lot of that happening, Three different breakfasts, three different people

609
00:29:04,434 --> 00:29:06,834
Speaker 7: getting dressed, trying to put your make upon it while

610
00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:08,594
Speaker 7: you're t to shove some food in your face, two

611
00:29:08,634 --> 00:29:09,354
Speaker 7: different drop offs.

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00:29:09,394 --> 00:29:13,194
Speaker 3: I remember the mayhem and falling into the office with

613
00:29:13,234 --> 00:29:15,314
Speaker 3: your coffee. We used to have a nine am meeting them,

614
00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:18,274
Speaker 3: which we still do now, content meeting and just falling

615
00:29:18,314 --> 00:29:19,554
Speaker 3: in there like oh yeah.

616
00:29:19,394 --> 00:29:21,034
Speaker 2: I totally know what's going on, right.

617
00:29:21,674 --> 00:29:23,994
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I'm in such a different season

618
00:29:24,034 --> 00:29:25,954
Speaker 3: now my mornings look so different, but that was my

619
00:29:26,034 --> 00:29:26,674
Speaker 3: life for years.

620
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Speaker 2: And whenever I.

621
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Speaker 3: See moms at MoMA Mia who have just come back

622
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Speaker 3: from matt leave or they've just come back from their

623
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Speaker 3: second one.

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00:29:34,114 --> 00:29:37,954
Speaker 2: In particular, the look on the I've lived a day

625
00:29:38,114 --> 00:29:39,354
Speaker 2: they have lived a day.

626
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Speaker 3: By the time they get here, I was listening to

627
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Speaker 3: Stacey Hicks, who was one of our hosts on Parenting

628
00:29:43,954 --> 00:29:47,354
Speaker 3: Out Loud, and jeba bath host on True Crame conversations

629
00:29:47,354 --> 00:29:49,914
Speaker 3: in the kitchen this morning, and it sounded exactly like

630
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,514
Speaker 3: what Claire was just disgusting. It was just like and

631
00:29:52,554 --> 00:29:54,994
Speaker 3: then she wouldn't put her shoes on, and then she's

632
00:29:55,034 --> 00:29:58,834
Speaker 3: decided that toast is the devil. And it just like

633
00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:00,754
Speaker 3: it takes me all back because my days are so

634
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:03,314
Speaker 3: different now, like it's so weird. But for me, I

635
00:30:03,314 --> 00:30:05,394
Speaker 3: have different routines depending on where I am right because

636
00:30:05,434 --> 00:30:08,994
Speaker 3: I am in different places, so my money like different,

637
00:30:09,034 --> 00:30:13,554
Speaker 3: well I do it depends on Monday mornings, I get

638
00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,634
Speaker 3: up at five because I have to drive or train

639
00:30:15,714 --> 00:30:18,754
Speaker 3: in so that's a really early day. And this week

640
00:30:18,794 --> 00:30:22,514
Speaker 3: that was particularly hard because we are renovating our bathroom

641
00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:25,554
Speaker 3: and turning a laundry into a bathroom in our house,

642
00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:27,354
Speaker 3: so we have no toilet and no shower. So this

643
00:30:27,434 --> 00:30:30,594
Speaker 3: Monday morning at five am, I was going to the

644
00:30:30,594 --> 00:30:32,514
Speaker 3: toilet in a portoloo in the front garden in the

645
00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:35,634
Speaker 3: pitch black, and then having a shower outside in the

646
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Speaker 3: cold in the pitch black at five am, and I

647
00:30:37,714 --> 00:30:40,594
Speaker 3: was like, this is not what they meant by opening

648
00:30:40,674 --> 00:30:44,034
Speaker 3: shift is treading on snails.

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Speaker 2: And anyway, well, you'd rather do that than just skip

650
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Speaker 2: the shower for a day.

651
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a morning shower person, so I don't shower

652
00:30:51,194 --> 00:30:53,754
Speaker 3: before bed, but I shower every morning to like wake

653
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Speaker 3: myself up right. And I think I would feel on

654
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Speaker 3: a day when I don't have to go anywhere and

655
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Speaker 3: do anything, I can leave that shower till later.

656
00:31:00,194 --> 00:31:01,754
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do it after I exercise or whatever.

657
00:31:01,794 --> 00:31:03,394
Speaker 3: But on a day when I've got to do something,

658
00:31:03,394 --> 00:31:05,914
Speaker 3: it's like get it out of the way. But anyway,

659
00:31:05,954 --> 00:31:08,314
Speaker 3: my days is different depending on whether or not I'm commuting, obviously,

660
00:31:08,354 --> 00:31:10,874
Speaker 3: but my non negotiable now that I'm in a season

661
00:31:10,874 --> 00:31:13,234
Speaker 3: where I can do it, is a walk every single morning,

662
00:31:13,274 --> 00:31:15,274
Speaker 3: no matter where. I'm not Monday, i lie because obviously

663
00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:16,674
Speaker 3: i'm driving a car on getting.

664
00:31:16,474 --> 00:31:16,874
Speaker 5: On the train.

665
00:31:16,954 --> 00:31:19,154
Speaker 2: But if I'm in Sydney, I'll walk. If I'm at home,

666
00:31:19,194 --> 00:31:19,674
Speaker 2: we walk.

667
00:31:19,994 --> 00:31:23,474
Speaker 3: And the time that Brent and I were able to

668
00:31:23,594 --> 00:31:25,514
Speaker 3: leave the kids in the house in the morning to

669
00:31:25,514 --> 00:31:28,234
Speaker 3: go and walk the dog together was like the biggest

670
00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:32,874
Speaker 3: watershed parenting moment when you can do that because where

671
00:31:32,914 --> 00:31:35,074
Speaker 3: you're at, Claire and why people like you just can't

672
00:31:35,074 --> 00:31:35,794
Speaker 3: even imagine that.

673
00:31:35,954 --> 00:31:40,274
Speaker 4: No, but I'm thinking I used to walk exactly.

674
00:31:40,434 --> 00:31:43,394
Speaker 3: I remember walking and Amber when that was nice. I'm

675
00:31:43,434 --> 00:31:45,314
Speaker 3: walking the dog in the morning and watching the sun

676
00:31:45,354 --> 00:31:47,234
Speaker 3: come up and realizing why are all the when I'm

677
00:31:47,274 --> 00:31:49,354
Speaker 3: in the city and I'm walking, I'm like, where are

678
00:31:49,394 --> 00:31:50,594
Speaker 3: all these people going?

679
00:31:50,874 --> 00:31:51,074
Speaker 4: Yeah?

680
00:31:51,314 --> 00:31:54,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, what time do you do your morning walk? So

681
00:31:54,594 --> 00:31:58,514
Speaker 2: these days seven point thirty okay, eight o'clock. Sometimes at

682
00:31:58,514 --> 00:32:00,154
Speaker 2: home we've got the when the kids are we've got

683
00:32:00,194 --> 00:32:03,314
Speaker 2: their them out the door because we're still like feeding

684
00:32:03,354 --> 00:32:05,514
Speaker 2: them breakfast and making them lunch. And then they get

685
00:32:05,554 --> 00:32:07,914
Speaker 2: on their school bus and go because we live in

686
00:32:07,954 --> 00:32:08,914
Speaker 2: the country.

687
00:32:08,674 --> 00:32:10,954
Speaker 3: So they got on a school bush. We don't have

688
00:32:10,994 --> 00:32:13,274
Speaker 3: to take them, which is awesome. And then when I'm

689
00:32:13,354 --> 00:32:15,634
Speaker 3: here six forty five.

690
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:16,594
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

691
00:32:17,074 --> 00:32:18,634
Speaker 2: So when I'm here, I set my alarm.

692
00:32:18,714 --> 00:32:21,514
Speaker 3: I'm a snooze person, you know how mel Robins that's

693
00:32:21,514 --> 00:32:24,234
Speaker 3: her non negotiable, you cannot have a snooze alarm. She's

694
00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,354
Speaker 3: on bending about morning routine. She says, the minute you

695
00:32:26,354 --> 00:32:27,714
Speaker 3: wake up, you got to get out of bed three

696
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:31,114
Speaker 3: two one go. I deliberately always set my alarm ten

697
00:32:31,154 --> 00:32:33,154
Speaker 3: minutes early so I can snooze because I.

698
00:32:33,114 --> 00:32:35,434
Speaker 2: Love that feeling of like, oh I've got to wake up.

699
00:32:35,474 --> 00:32:38,714
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't. I just love that. But you're

700
00:32:38,714 --> 00:32:40,794
Speaker 2: just setting your alarm earlier. No, and then I go

701
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:41,914
Speaker 2: back to sleep for ten minutes.

702
00:32:43,634 --> 00:32:46,794
Speaker 4: And that ten minutes that makes all the difference.

703
00:32:46,954 --> 00:32:50,194
Speaker 2: But just six twenty alarm, six point thirty, get up,

704
00:32:50,394 --> 00:32:52,834
Speaker 2: get your exercise clothes on, get out the door, walk,

705
00:32:53,034 --> 00:32:55,394
Speaker 2: come back, make up, hair whatever, come in.

706
00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:57,314
Speaker 3: Like that's what I do, and when I don't have

707
00:32:57,354 --> 00:32:59,594
Speaker 3: to deal with the kids. And the thing about the

708
00:32:59,594 --> 00:33:02,514
Speaker 3: morning shift and the idea of setting everything up is lovely,

709
00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:05,954
Speaker 3: but that shift is going to look very different depending

710
00:33:05,954 --> 00:33:08,554
Speaker 3: on what is required of your right. Like I know

711
00:33:08,834 --> 00:33:11,194
Speaker 3: the reason when my kids were little and I'm stripping

712
00:33:11,234 --> 00:33:13,954
Speaker 3: beds and washing things is because you can't walk back

713
00:33:13,954 --> 00:33:16,034
Speaker 3: into a house to a stinky house and you know,

714
00:33:16,234 --> 00:33:18,714
Speaker 3: beds that need doing and all that kind of stuff.

715
00:33:18,434 --> 00:33:19,674
Speaker 2: Whereas later on you can.

716
00:33:19,794 --> 00:33:22,354
Speaker 3: So I think that the problem with all the morning

717
00:33:22,514 --> 00:33:25,394
Speaker 3: TikTok advice is it's very unbending.

718
00:33:25,594 --> 00:33:26,554
Speaker 2: Whereas we all know.

719
00:33:26,594 --> 00:33:29,914
Speaker 3: And our stories have just shown that, like it's pretty

720
00:33:29,954 --> 00:33:31,274
Speaker 3: different depending on what's going on.

721
00:33:31,314 --> 00:33:33,954
Speaker 5: You can't make Matilla do morning shift with charliebor I know.

722
00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:38,194
Speaker 4: I do make her do some closing shift. I say,

723
00:33:38,354 --> 00:33:40,194
Speaker 4: go on, pick up all your toys. Put them away

724
00:33:41,114 --> 00:33:45,354
Speaker 4: so badly, and yet I'm like, you're on clothes.

725
00:33:45,994 --> 00:33:46,474
Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

726
00:33:46,514 --> 00:33:49,074
Speaker 3: I've ever made a change to your morning that's made

727
00:33:49,554 --> 00:33:51,074
Speaker 3: a world of difference to your.

728
00:33:51,034 --> 00:33:57,114
Speaker 4: Day Post COVID, Rory and I got into the morning walks, Yeah,

729
00:33:57,234 --> 00:34:00,154
Speaker 4: because we had moved to Bond Eye, and that was heaven.

730
00:34:00,274 --> 00:34:03,074
Speaker 4: It's just so much clearer. Once we got to work.

731
00:34:03,114 --> 00:34:04,354
Speaker 4: That was when I can't walk.

732
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:07,074
Speaker 2: I literally feel it. It's not an exercise thing, No,

733
00:34:07,194 --> 00:34:09,673
Speaker 2: it's a head clearing thing. Yeah, you walk to work.

734
00:34:09,794 --> 00:34:10,673
Speaker 5: I do walk to work.

735
00:34:10,754 --> 00:34:13,073
Speaker 2: I think the thing that's changed the most for the

736
00:34:13,074 --> 00:34:16,594
Speaker 2: better has been my morning coffee. When I was living

737
00:34:16,594 --> 00:34:20,434
Speaker 2: with my parents, my sister, me, mom and dad, before

738
00:34:20,474 --> 00:34:23,594
Speaker 2: we all went to work or school, we'd all just

739
00:34:23,634 --> 00:34:26,114
Speaker 2: sit together and have our coffee together. And I didn't

740
00:34:26,114 --> 00:34:28,234
Speaker 2: know how much I appreciated that until I lived alone,

741
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:30,234
Speaker 2: and then I started just because I lived so close

742
00:34:30,274 --> 00:34:32,314
Speaker 2: to cafes, I would just get my coffee on the

743
00:34:32,354 --> 00:34:35,514
Speaker 2: way into work. Now I got my own coffee machine,

744
00:34:35,594 --> 00:34:36,834
Speaker 2: so I make my coffee in the morning and I

745
00:34:36,874 --> 00:34:38,994
Speaker 2: just sit on my couch and like drink my coffee

746
00:34:39,034 --> 00:34:39,953
Speaker 2: and don't do anything else.

747
00:34:40,194 --> 00:34:42,834
Speaker 5: And I love that. I mean, you probably can't.

748
00:34:42,874 --> 00:34:46,594
Speaker 4: My family never sat down together in the morning, so

749
00:34:46,634 --> 00:34:48,953
Speaker 4: many of you. There were so many of us, and

750
00:34:49,034 --> 00:34:51,994
Speaker 4: I was always in trouble for being the last one.

751
00:34:52,154 --> 00:34:56,674
Speaker 4: And Mom's like, you're gonmost the train and then she'd

752
00:34:56,674 --> 00:34:59,393
Speaker 4: be run And I remember one day she stopped at

753
00:34:59,434 --> 00:35:01,674
Speaker 4: the station to drop us off and her boot was

754
00:35:01,714 --> 00:35:04,393
Speaker 4: wide open because one of us hadn't closed it, and

755
00:35:04,874 --> 00:35:06,513
Speaker 4: she drove off and we were all trying to say, Mum,

756
00:35:06,554 --> 00:35:08,834
Speaker 4: your boots so but she was like, I hate you.

757
00:35:10,754 --> 00:35:12,873
Speaker 4: I'm like, some bad things would have happened that day.

758
00:35:13,634 --> 00:35:14,474
Speaker 4: That was my morning.

759
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:17,834
Speaker 3: We'd love to know if anyone, if any out louders

760
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:20,714
Speaker 3: have cracked the morning shift, depending on what stage of

761
00:35:20,754 --> 00:35:22,714
Speaker 3: life they're at. I think when you've got little kids,

762
00:35:22,714 --> 00:35:24,513
Speaker 3: you just have to let it go, right. I know

763
00:35:24,834 --> 00:35:26,953
Speaker 3: it comes back around, like now I get to walk

764
00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:27,314
Speaker 3: the dog.

765
00:35:27,394 --> 00:35:33,914
Speaker 2: You know, it's good. Anyway. I was recently made aware

766
00:35:34,114 --> 00:35:36,714
Speaker 2: of a corner of the Internet that I did not

767
00:35:36,914 --> 00:35:40,474
Speaker 2: know exist It's an online community on Reddit called bald

768
00:35:41,194 --> 00:35:44,194
Speaker 2: and their motto is lose your hair, not your head.

769
00:35:44,354 --> 00:35:45,834
Speaker 5: Oh very smart.

770
00:35:46,034 --> 00:35:50,074
Speaker 2: So on the subreddit, it's all about these men empowering

771
00:35:50,194 --> 00:35:53,234
Speaker 2: other men to go bald if they're balding. I went

772
00:35:53,314 --> 00:35:55,274
Speaker 2: on it to see what all the fuss is about.

773
00:35:55,474 --> 00:35:59,874
Speaker 2: They have one point three million weekly visitors to their group,

774
00:35:59,954 --> 00:36:03,314
Speaker 2: and the top posts are men posting before and afters,

775
00:36:03,554 --> 00:36:05,953
Speaker 2: like we kind of see what celebrities, except it's men

776
00:36:05,994 --> 00:36:09,554
Speaker 2: who are going visit bald as before photo and then

777
00:36:09,594 --> 00:36:11,994
Speaker 2: the after photos them fully shaving their head.

778
00:36:12,554 --> 00:36:13,554
Speaker 5: And I was very turned on.

779
00:36:14,994 --> 00:36:19,393
Speaker 2: These men are beautiful. So you can ask any of

780
00:36:19,434 --> 00:36:22,754
Speaker 2: my friends. I've always always always found bald men to

781
00:36:22,794 --> 00:36:30,314
Speaker 2: be extremely attractive. Give me a celebrity example, Jason Stadium

782
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:34,234
Speaker 2: and Charlie XCX's husband George. Yeah, so hot.

783
00:36:34,954 --> 00:36:38,433
Speaker 4: There is there is this confidence to it. It's like

784
00:36:38,554 --> 00:36:39,393
Speaker 4: I don't need hair.

785
00:36:40,034 --> 00:36:41,634
Speaker 5: And then if they have it like a thick neck

786
00:36:41,714 --> 00:36:43,074
Speaker 5: with tattoos.

787
00:36:43,674 --> 00:36:46,994
Speaker 4: Thick beard, Oh my god.

788
00:36:48,474 --> 00:36:53,154
Speaker 2: It is like the best combination of so excited.

789
00:36:53,514 --> 00:36:56,154
Speaker 5: It is like my dream, like if.

790
00:36:56,074 --> 00:36:59,354
Speaker 2: Hinge had like the option of like to choose physical features,

791
00:36:59,354 --> 00:37:01,074
Speaker 2: which I don't think it should but if it had

792
00:37:01,194 --> 00:37:04,393
Speaker 2: might be bald tick bald that I.

793
00:37:04,274 --> 00:37:06,114
Speaker 3: Bet there are so many men who would be so

794
00:37:06,154 --> 00:37:08,634
Speaker 3: happy to hear that, because you know, we talk about

795
00:37:08,674 --> 00:37:10,393
Speaker 3: beauty standards for women all the time, right, and the

796
00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:12,714
Speaker 3: pressure and the blah blah blah. But men and hair

797
00:37:12,714 --> 00:37:16,194
Speaker 3: loss is a massive deal. And just like the technology

798
00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:18,794
Speaker 3: around all kinds of anti aging stuff is improving and

799
00:37:18,794 --> 00:37:20,714
Speaker 3: improving and improving, and now I've got all these options,

800
00:37:21,154 --> 00:37:23,393
Speaker 3: the world of how to hold onto your hair is

801
00:37:23,474 --> 00:37:27,114
Speaker 3: getting crazy with different treatments and transplants, and you know,

802
00:37:27,114 --> 00:37:29,114
Speaker 3: you can do a DNA test to find out what's

803
00:37:29,154 --> 00:37:31,834
Speaker 3: right for you. And I don't think I've realized how

804
00:37:31,874 --> 00:37:34,154
Speaker 3: difficult it is for a lot of guys until I

805
00:37:34,194 --> 00:37:37,074
Speaker 3: started listening to that cohort speaking and I was like, well,

806
00:37:37,074 --> 00:37:40,034
Speaker 3: of course it would be completely identity challenging, Like, of

807
00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:40,714
Speaker 3: course it would.

808
00:37:40,914 --> 00:37:44,834
Speaker 4: And the fact that a lot of the medications, it's

809
00:37:44,914 --> 00:37:48,194
Speaker 4: not that you're necessarily going to your GP and getting

810
00:37:48,234 --> 00:37:51,554
Speaker 4: prescribed something. You're getting something online and it might have

811
00:37:52,354 --> 00:37:54,873
Speaker 4: crazy side effects. One of the side effects of one

812
00:37:54,914 --> 00:38:00,434
Speaker 4: of the most kind of widely adopted hair loss medications

813
00:38:01,074 --> 00:38:04,873
Speaker 4: is that it can affect sex drive, cause sexual dysfunction

814
00:38:05,154 --> 00:38:09,953
Speaker 4: or affect sperm quality. Huge decision to make to weigh

815
00:38:10,034 --> 00:38:12,634
Speaker 4: up those potential side effects. But I think the fact

816
00:38:12,674 --> 00:38:17,033
Speaker 4: that men are taking medication in light of those being

817
00:38:17,874 --> 00:38:20,634
Speaker 4: potential side effects shows how much they value it.

818
00:38:20,674 --> 00:38:22,594
Speaker 3: Well, it must be hard for guys too, because everyone

819
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:24,674
Speaker 3: just shouts at them, shave your head. Man lo clt

820
00:38:24,714 --> 00:38:27,154
Speaker 3: with shaved heads, as many men do do, but not

821
00:38:27,234 --> 00:38:27,674
Speaker 3: all men.

822
00:38:27,914 --> 00:38:29,834
Speaker 2: It's the same as women. I imagine if we just

823
00:38:29,874 --> 00:38:31,074
Speaker 2: got that advice all the time.

824
00:38:31,114 --> 00:38:33,314
Speaker 3: And I remember when I was at college, one of

825
00:38:33,314 --> 00:38:34,954
Speaker 3: my really good friends who sound shaved her head and

826
00:38:34,994 --> 00:38:36,674
Speaker 3: she looked she looked like Shinead O'Connor.

827
00:38:36,754 --> 00:38:39,553
Speaker 2: She looked gorgeous. If I'd have shaved my head, I'd

828
00:38:39,554 --> 00:38:40,993
Speaker 2: look like a potato, Like.

829
00:38:40,994 --> 00:38:42,234
Speaker 4: I don't have the head for it.

830
00:38:42,754 --> 00:38:44,434
Speaker 2: And everybody's head is not equal.

831
00:38:44,634 --> 00:38:46,274
Speaker 3: And yet we say to guys all the time, just

832
00:38:46,314 --> 00:38:48,634
Speaker 3: shave it off, you'll be fine, and they're like, but

833
00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:50,274
Speaker 3: maybe I've got a horrible herd.

834
00:38:50,754 --> 00:38:55,674
Speaker 4: I really liked scrolling through this Reddit thread because it

835
00:38:55,714 --> 00:38:59,554
Speaker 4: was like positive masculinity. It's men being like, you can

836
00:38:59,594 --> 00:39:04,154
Speaker 4: do this, It's okay. Everyone loses their hair like it's

837
00:39:04,354 --> 00:39:06,714
Speaker 4: really cute, but it made me think, and this is

838
00:39:06,754 --> 00:39:11,834
Speaker 4: a little depressing, what's the female equivalent of bold pride? Like,

839
00:39:11,954 --> 00:39:13,634
Speaker 4: is there anything that we can g out?

840
00:39:13,754 --> 00:39:16,274
Speaker 3: So this week I've seen a few women on and

841
00:39:16,314 --> 00:39:18,114
Speaker 3: it feels a bit throwback to me because it's the

842
00:39:18,194 --> 00:39:19,473
Speaker 3: kind of thing we used to do. But I've seen

843
00:39:19,514 --> 00:39:23,314
Speaker 3: a few older women lately posting like makeup free selfies,

844
00:39:23,474 --> 00:39:25,714
Speaker 3: like Rebecca Gibney did it, for example, in the wake

845
00:39:25,754 --> 00:39:28,473
Speaker 3: of the kind of Rachel Ward criticism and saying show

846
00:39:28,514 --> 00:39:33,034
Speaker 3: your natural aging face, and everyone's supposed to say, you go, girl,

847
00:39:33,754 --> 00:39:37,794
Speaker 3: how amazing, which they do look amazing, But as you

848
00:39:37,914 --> 00:39:41,393
Speaker 3: might predict, it also devolves into like, what are you

849
00:39:41,474 --> 00:39:42,754
Speaker 3: judging me for having both?

850
00:39:42,834 --> 00:39:43,594
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean?

851
00:39:43,674 --> 00:39:46,034
Speaker 3: Like it also kind of devolves into a sort of

852
00:39:46,114 --> 00:39:48,473
Speaker 3: judgment y space. But it would be nice to think

853
00:39:48,474 --> 00:39:51,194
Speaker 3: it wouldn't have to Prince Harry and William on that

854
00:39:51,234 --> 00:39:51,834
Speaker 3: Reddit thread.

855
00:39:52,034 --> 00:39:55,034
Speaker 4: Oh I reckon. Yeah, they'd have pseudonyms, but they'd be

856
00:39:55,114 --> 00:39:58,473
Speaker 4: on there. They'd be taking digs at each other because we.

857
00:39:58,434 --> 00:40:01,194
Speaker 2: Know that Harry did that. Harry Harry did that in

858
00:40:01,234 --> 00:40:01,754
Speaker 2: his book.

859
00:40:01,794 --> 00:40:04,274
Speaker 3: He had a dig at William's hair loss in his book,

860
00:40:04,554 --> 00:40:07,514
Speaker 3: which now I think he might be regretting because he

861
00:40:07,674 --> 00:40:10,714
Speaker 3: also is struggling with his hairline now and there's again,

862
00:40:10,914 --> 00:40:12,994
Speaker 3: shave your head, Harry em would love it.

863
00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:16,194
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Harry, please what made me sad about

864
00:40:16,194 --> 00:40:19,554
Speaker 2: this bread? It was because I genuinely didn't know that

865
00:40:19,794 --> 00:40:23,594
Speaker 2: so many men felt ashamed about going bald or even

866
00:40:23,594 --> 00:40:26,114
Speaker 2: like going gray, I would say, is the same. And

867
00:40:26,354 --> 00:40:29,474
Speaker 2: it just made me think that everyone has a type.

868
00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:32,234
Speaker 2: Like all my friends know that bald men are specifically

869
00:40:32,314 --> 00:40:34,394
Speaker 2: my type. But then I have friends who are into

870
00:40:34,474 --> 00:40:37,514
Speaker 2: like really big wonky nose and friends who are into

871
00:40:37,594 --> 00:40:39,873
Speaker 2: like really wonky teeth, And I'm like, if we're all

872
00:40:39,914 --> 00:40:42,314
Speaker 2: trying to look the best version of ourselves, Like if

873
00:40:42,314 --> 00:40:44,354
Speaker 2: every man was like I'm gonna get hair plugs, I'm

874
00:40:44,354 --> 00:40:46,473
Speaker 2: gonna get hair, then like, there's my type.

875
00:40:46,554 --> 00:40:47,274
Speaker 5: God, there's no.

876
00:40:47,234 --> 00:40:51,834
Speaker 2: One for you anywhere. There's someone for everyone, guys, there's

877
00:40:51,874 --> 00:40:53,794
Speaker 2: a lid for every pot exactly.

878
00:40:53,994 --> 00:40:57,154
Speaker 3: That's what my grand needs to say after the break.

879
00:40:57,314 --> 00:41:00,274
Speaker 3: Recommendations and em, it's going to tell us about the

880
00:41:00,314 --> 00:41:01,434
Speaker 3: show that everybody.

881
00:41:01,114 --> 00:41:01,834
Speaker 5: Is talking about.

882
00:41:07,274 --> 00:41:09,874
Speaker 2: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere.

883
00:41:09,914 --> 00:41:11,114
Speaker 6: Casual, soping, fun.

884
00:41:11,674 --> 00:41:13,194
Speaker 5: This is my best recommendation.

885
00:41:14,554 --> 00:41:16,873
Speaker 3: It's Friday and We want to obviously give you all

886
00:41:16,874 --> 00:41:18,674
Speaker 3: the good things to do and watch and all that

887
00:41:18,714 --> 00:41:21,873
Speaker 3: stuff this weekend, and Emily Vernon is going first, what

888
00:41:22,114 --> 00:41:23,394
Speaker 3: are we supposed to be watching?

889
00:41:23,714 --> 00:41:26,314
Speaker 2: We are all supposed to be watching a show on

890
00:41:26,394 --> 00:41:30,554
Speaker 2: Netflix called How to Get to Heaven from Belfast. Everybody's

891
00:41:30,594 --> 00:41:31,274
Speaker 2: told me about it.

892
00:41:31,274 --> 00:41:33,754
Speaker 5: It's a very long name. For the longest time I was,

893
00:41:34,034 --> 00:41:34,354
Speaker 5: I was.

894
00:41:34,314 --> 00:41:37,834
Speaker 2: Calling it the long Journey Road from Heaven to Belfast

895
00:41:37,834 --> 00:41:38,594
Speaker 2: and how to get there.

896
00:41:41,754 --> 00:41:43,033
Speaker 5: It is so good.

897
00:41:43,074 --> 00:41:46,274
Speaker 2: It's created by Lisa McGee, who created my favorite of

898
00:41:46,354 --> 00:41:49,954
Speaker 2: all time, Dairy Girls, right, And it's about these three

899
00:41:50,194 --> 00:41:53,513
Speaker 2: women who are childhood friends in their late thirties. One

900
00:41:53,554 --> 00:41:56,674
Speaker 2: of their friends have passed away and they realized she's

901
00:41:56,714 --> 00:42:00,913
Speaker 2: passed away under mysterious circumstances, so they take it upon

902
00:42:00,954 --> 00:42:07,393
Speaker 2: themselves to figure out how she died. Dear Sirisha darre Rob,

903
00:42:08,794 --> 00:42:13,714
Speaker 2: they have some terribly sad news. Second, may free understood.

904
00:42:14,994 --> 00:42:19,714
Speaker 5: Dead and like Moors. Whole thing's just awful, just so young.

905
00:42:19,914 --> 00:42:22,154
Speaker 1: I was talking about your rouge foot Are they pajamas?

906
00:42:22,234 --> 00:42:24,874
Speaker 1: The treasures work like pajamas.

907
00:42:26,314 --> 00:42:28,873
Speaker 2: It is one of those murder mysteries, but it is

908
00:42:28,954 --> 00:42:34,554
Speaker 2: so so funny. Like crazy funny. In the first few episodes,

909
00:42:34,594 --> 00:42:36,754
Speaker 2: I had to have subtitles on because if you watch

910
00:42:36,834 --> 00:42:41,114
Speaker 2: Darry the Irish Northern Irish very accents, so it's Northern

911
00:42:41,114 --> 00:42:43,674
Speaker 2: Irish accent is one of them, Shamie Dawn and best

912
00:42:43,794 --> 00:42:47,074
Speaker 2: accents in the world. It is so attractive and these

913
00:42:47,114 --> 00:42:50,954
Speaker 2: women are just so funny, and it feels like, you know,

914
00:42:50,994 --> 00:42:53,074
Speaker 2: when you're watching such a good show that it feels

915
00:42:53,114 --> 00:42:55,514
Speaker 2: like the actors couldn't be anyone else, but the characters

916
00:42:55,554 --> 00:42:57,354
Speaker 2: they're playing like they feel like they're their.

917
00:42:57,274 --> 00:42:59,674
Speaker 3: Own famous in it or are they all They're not

918
00:42:59,754 --> 00:43:02,034
Speaker 3: the same people from Dairy Girls, Like it's different.

919
00:43:02,114 --> 00:43:04,834
Speaker 2: There are some characters in Darry Girls, but their side

920
00:43:04,954 --> 00:43:06,433
Speaker 2: characters look, I.

921
00:43:06,434 --> 00:43:08,074
Speaker 5: Don't know that main character.

922
00:43:08,114 --> 00:43:10,593
Speaker 2: They were not no, but they're famous in Ireland because

923
00:43:10,594 --> 00:43:12,154
Speaker 2: my mom watched the show and she was like, you

924
00:43:12,194 --> 00:43:14,034
Speaker 2: should know all of these people because they're famous, and

925
00:43:14,074 --> 00:43:16,914
Speaker 2: I I was like, okay, but it's just really funny.

926
00:43:16,954 --> 00:43:18,354
Speaker 2: It's also one of those shows that you can watch

927
00:43:18,394 --> 00:43:20,714
Speaker 2: by yourself or with friends or with a partner, and

928
00:43:20,754 --> 00:43:21,754
Speaker 2: everyone you're watching with it.

929
00:43:21,794 --> 00:43:23,154
Speaker 5: You're not going to feel like do they like it?

930
00:43:23,194 --> 00:43:24,194
Speaker 5: Do they not? Because they will love it.

931
00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:26,674
Speaker 2: I've heard the soundtracks also really good. The soundtrack is

932
00:43:26,754 --> 00:43:29,114
Speaker 2: really good. You can also find it on Spotify. So

933
00:43:29,114 --> 00:43:31,194
Speaker 2: I've been listening on my warning walks and it's just

934
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:33,074
Speaker 2: one of those feel good shows that I feel like

935
00:43:33,234 --> 00:43:36,794
Speaker 2: is perfect, like the perfect formula of a perfect show.

936
00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:40,154
Speaker 4: Why do I love watching things set in Ireland? I'd

937
00:43:40,154 --> 00:43:40,874
Speaker 4: watch anything.

938
00:43:41,194 --> 00:43:45,433
Speaker 5: There's always that God element that's like there, but it's

939
00:43:45,474 --> 00:43:48,834
Speaker 5: just fun. It's just really Northern Ireland.

940
00:43:49,194 --> 00:43:51,674
Speaker 2: Not that this Belfast Belfast.

941
00:43:52,354 --> 00:43:53,954
Speaker 5: I love it. Can't wait to go, I need to go.

942
00:43:56,954 --> 00:43:59,874
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Belfast is absolutely a vibe.

943
00:43:59,954 --> 00:44:01,433
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, everyone watch it.

944
00:44:01,434 --> 00:44:03,674
Speaker 2: It's on Netflix, please and then talk to me about

945
00:44:03,714 --> 00:44:04,714
Speaker 2: it and tell me your theories.

946
00:44:04,914 --> 00:44:09,154
Speaker 4: Plus Stevens also on Well, this is just pure dark,

947
00:44:09,394 --> 00:44:14,114
Speaker 4: no humor. Ah, I like fictional dark things at the

948
00:44:14,154 --> 00:44:16,393
Speaker 4: moment because the world is very dark. I don't need

949
00:44:16,394 --> 00:44:18,914
Speaker 4: to look at that. Best book I've read in quite

950
00:44:18,954 --> 00:44:22,794
Speaker 4: a long time The Death of Us by Abigail Dean. So,

951
00:44:22,834 --> 00:44:26,114
Speaker 4: Abigail Dean is the author of Girl A, which I loved.

952
00:44:26,154 --> 00:44:29,914
Speaker 2: That book's really really dark. Yeah, it's a very good book.

953
00:44:29,994 --> 00:44:32,114
Speaker 4: That one is about seven siblings who grew up in

954
00:44:32,154 --> 00:44:34,714
Speaker 4: a house of Horror's situation.

955
00:44:35,274 --> 00:44:37,634
Speaker 2: Often I know one of those books that stays with

956
00:44:37,714 --> 00:44:38,434
Speaker 2: you like it's.

957
00:44:38,354 --> 00:44:41,754
Speaker 3: Grim as all it does. And is this a similar vibe?

958
00:44:42,034 --> 00:44:45,714
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Abigail Dean was a lawyer for a decade,

959
00:44:45,714 --> 00:44:48,114
Speaker 4: and I feel like that really comes through in her writing.

960
00:44:48,154 --> 00:44:50,194
Speaker 4: You can tell, because even with the House of Horror's story,

961
00:44:50,194 --> 00:44:54,034
Speaker 4: it came out in like just in some of the storyline.

962
00:44:53,674 --> 00:44:55,594
Speaker 2: And there was a really good twist.

963
00:44:55,914 --> 00:44:56,194
Speaker 4: Yeah.

964
00:44:56,354 --> 00:44:56,834
Speaker 2: Yeah.

965
00:44:56,874 --> 00:45:00,914
Speaker 4: And this book, The Death of Us Sunday Times bestseller. Obviously.

966
00:45:01,114 --> 00:45:04,674
Speaker 4: It's about a couple, Isabelle and Edward, whose lives completely

967
00:45:04,754 --> 00:45:10,433
Speaker 4: change after a terrifying home invasion and attack. And here's

968
00:45:10,434 --> 00:45:12,553
Speaker 4: the blurb because it just it sums it up so well.

969
00:45:13,434 --> 00:45:16,314
Speaker 4: It's the story everyone wants to hear that spring night

970
00:45:16,354 --> 00:45:19,314
Speaker 4: in South London when Isabelle and Edward's lives were torn apart.

971
00:45:19,714 --> 00:45:22,194
Speaker 4: That night, Isabelle learned that the worst things wait just

972
00:45:22,234 --> 00:45:24,954
Speaker 4: outside the door. The night Edward learned that he was

973
00:45:24,994 --> 00:45:27,714
Speaker 4: powerless to stop them, the night they never talk about.

974
00:45:27,954 --> 00:45:30,433
Speaker 4: When their attacker is caught, it's finally time to tell

975
00:45:30,434 --> 00:45:32,594
Speaker 4: the story of that night, not to the world or

976
00:45:32,674 --> 00:45:34,433
Speaker 4: to the man who did it, but to each other.

977
00:45:35,234 --> 00:45:39,034
Speaker 4: And it's told through multiple timelines, so you see the

978
00:45:39,074 --> 00:45:42,274
Speaker 4: beginning of their relationship and their love story, which is beautiful.

979
00:45:42,714 --> 00:45:45,154
Speaker 4: In the present day, they're old art, they're separated, and

980
00:45:45,194 --> 00:45:48,394
Speaker 4: it's the court case, so you're finding out what's happening

981
00:45:48,754 --> 00:45:52,834
Speaker 4: as this man is being prosecuted for what he did,

982
00:45:53,274 --> 00:45:57,634
Speaker 4: but you're also slowly finding out why they're separated. And

983
00:45:58,394 --> 00:46:01,114
Speaker 4: the thing that I just found so clever about this

984
00:46:01,354 --> 00:46:05,394
Speaker 4: is that we know that so many long term relationships

985
00:46:05,594 --> 00:46:09,473
Speaker 4: end after a trial, like you talk about how nobody could,

986
00:46:09,794 --> 00:46:13,274
Speaker 4: like so few couples survive the death of a child

987
00:46:13,594 --> 00:46:17,594
Speaker 4: or anything like this where it's like something so earth

988
00:46:17,674 --> 00:46:21,314
Speaker 4: shattering happens. And the thing I loved about it was

989
00:46:21,674 --> 00:46:25,034
Speaker 4: they are separated not for the reason you think, and

990
00:46:25,114 --> 00:46:29,394
Speaker 4: it makes complete sense, and you really really get why

991
00:46:30,034 --> 00:46:34,873
Speaker 4: these kind of defining, really scary moments do set you

992
00:46:34,954 --> 00:46:38,994
Speaker 4: on two different paths. So it's brilliant. It's dark and scary,

993
00:46:39,194 --> 00:46:42,194
Speaker 4: but it is page I've never read a page turner

994
00:46:42,354 --> 00:46:44,594
Speaker 4: like that. You just have to keep going, and it's

995
00:46:44,634 --> 00:46:45,434
Speaker 4: creepy and I'm.

996
00:46:45,314 --> 00:46:47,154
Speaker 2: Not sure I can handle it at the moment, but

997
00:46:47,194 --> 00:46:47,834
Speaker 2: I'll get there.

998
00:46:48,034 --> 00:46:52,074
Speaker 3: It's not so great help that's real. I have something

999
00:46:52,114 --> 00:46:55,873
Speaker 3: completely different. Oh, either of you seen Harry Styles this

1000
00:46:55,914 --> 00:46:59,154
Speaker 3: one night in Manchester on Netflix my friends, No, I

1001
00:46:59,234 --> 00:46:59,594
Speaker 3: have not.

1002
00:46:59,954 --> 00:47:04,994
Speaker 2: No, Emily won't be watching. You're not a Harry Styles guy. No,

1003
00:47:05,354 --> 00:47:07,834
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, I like his music. He could

1004
00:47:07,874 --> 00:47:08,994
Speaker 2: work on his dance moves.

1005
00:47:10,274 --> 00:47:12,354
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I'm here to watch him dance.

1006
00:47:12,714 --> 00:47:13,034
Speaker 2: I am.

1007
00:47:13,074 --> 00:47:14,194
Speaker 4: He's got some new moves.

1008
00:47:14,634 --> 00:47:17,674
Speaker 3: So Harry has a new album out. It's called It's

1009
00:47:17,674 --> 00:47:20,154
Speaker 3: an embarrassing title. Even I have to say it's an

1010
00:47:20,194 --> 00:47:23,674
Speaker 3: embarrassing title. It's kiss all the Time Disco occasionally. I'm

1011
00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:25,954
Speaker 3: too old for that title. I'm definitely too old for

1012
00:47:25,994 --> 00:47:29,114
Speaker 3: that title. But the add's too long a banger, it's

1013
00:47:29,234 --> 00:47:29,914
Speaker 3: dance music.

1014
00:47:29,954 --> 00:47:31,433
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm here for it. But the way

1015
00:47:31,434 --> 00:47:32,034
Speaker 2: that he.

1016
00:47:32,554 --> 00:47:35,034
Speaker 3: Has released it into the world is it released on Friday.

1017
00:47:35,034 --> 00:47:36,993
Speaker 3: On Friday night, he did a concert in Manchester, which

1018
00:47:36,994 --> 00:47:40,234
Speaker 3: obviously is my hometown where tickets are only twenty pounds

1019
00:47:40,354 --> 00:47:43,913
Speaker 3: because that's my Harry massive arena show. And all he

1020
00:47:43,994 --> 00:47:45,954
Speaker 3: did was play the album, so it's not like the

1021
00:47:46,034 --> 00:47:48,194
Speaker 3: show that he's going to tour. He just played the

1022
00:47:48,234 --> 00:47:50,274
Speaker 3: album and then he threw a few crowd pleases. On

1023
00:47:50,314 --> 00:47:51,914
Speaker 3: the end of it abous he was and everything for

1024
00:47:51,994 --> 00:47:52,514
Speaker 3: the ladies.

1025
00:47:54,514 --> 00:47:56,274
Speaker 2: This is not the tour show.

1026
00:47:56,794 --> 00:47:58,794
Speaker 5: We don't ever play it like this again.

1027
00:48:02,634 --> 00:48:03,953
Speaker 2: Believed in Manchester.

1028
00:48:13,394 --> 00:48:15,314
Speaker 7: You have one simple child.

1029
00:48:17,754 --> 00:48:18,914
Speaker 2: And then it's to have as much.

1030
00:48:18,754 --> 00:48:19,674
Speaker 6: Fun as you possibly.

1031
00:48:23,994 --> 00:48:25,834
Speaker 3: And then it dropped on Netflix on Sunday, so they

1032
00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:28,954
Speaker 3: were not messing around. They were like concert Friday drops

1033
00:48:28,954 --> 00:48:30,154
Speaker 3: on Netflix on Sunday.

1034
00:48:30,194 --> 00:48:32,433
Speaker 2: I think Sunday English time. It was six am Monday our.

1035
00:48:32,434 --> 00:48:35,154
Speaker 5: Time that I was waiting refreshing.

1036
00:48:37,154 --> 00:48:40,754
Speaker 2: So it's just so interesting. I love watching how artists.

1037
00:48:40,434 --> 00:48:44,794
Speaker 3: Are trying to like beat the algorithm cynicism these days,

1038
00:48:44,834 --> 00:48:46,433
Speaker 3: you know, like, so this is just a new way

1039
00:48:46,474 --> 00:48:49,393
Speaker 3: to show you an album, I guess. But Harry is

1040
00:48:49,754 --> 00:48:52,474
Speaker 3: glorious as he always is. The songs are bangers, but

1041
00:48:52,554 --> 00:48:56,514
Speaker 3: it's also really perfect. My point is it's the perfect

1042
00:48:56,514 --> 00:48:59,473
Speaker 3: thing to put on your Telly on Saturday morning and

1043
00:48:59,514 --> 00:49:01,674
Speaker 3: then do all your jobs to it. Because the music

1044
00:49:01,754 --> 00:49:03,634
Speaker 3: is banging every now and again, you can look up

1045
00:49:03,834 --> 00:49:05,234
Speaker 3: and you'll just see Harry.

1046
00:49:05,034 --> 00:49:06,834
Speaker 2: Like going, it's a big movie, is this.

1047
00:49:09,234 --> 00:49:12,754
Speaker 3: He's gospel choir, he's got classical musicians, he's got lots

1048
00:49:12,794 --> 00:49:16,114
Speaker 3: of like Knob twiddling DJs and stuff. His band are

1049
00:49:16,114 --> 00:49:18,473
Speaker 3: often very female heavy, which they always are. He has

1050
00:49:18,474 --> 00:49:20,474
Speaker 3: one of the best female drummers in the world, always

1051
00:49:20,474 --> 00:49:20,993
Speaker 3: plays with him.

1052
00:49:21,074 --> 00:49:22,634
Speaker 5: Is he still wearing really nice outfits?

1053
00:49:22,714 --> 00:49:22,953
Speaker 2: Well?

1054
00:49:23,314 --> 00:49:25,914
Speaker 3: I was distracted by the fact that, so he plays

1055
00:49:25,914 --> 00:49:28,074
Speaker 3: for ninety minutes, the man dances and runs all over

1056
00:49:28,114 --> 00:49:31,114
Speaker 3: the place. He wears long pants, a buttoned up long

1057
00:49:31,154 --> 00:49:34,994
Speaker 3: sleeve shirt with the sweatshirt over the top. And the

1058
00:49:35,114 --> 00:49:37,834
Speaker 3: man does not have one drop of sweat on his head.

1059
00:49:37,834 --> 00:49:41,834
Speaker 3: But I was very distracted by that. I am drowning

1060
00:49:41,874 --> 00:49:43,674
Speaker 3: in sweat walking across the park.

1061
00:49:43,874 --> 00:49:45,434
Speaker 4: I was going to say, is that you.

1062
00:49:48,274 --> 00:49:48,754
Speaker 2: So fit?

1063
00:49:49,354 --> 00:49:51,274
Speaker 3: Don't you just want to take your shirt off? Like

1064
00:49:51,314 --> 00:49:53,794
Speaker 3: I don't mean for perfect I mean like with a.

1065
00:49:53,754 --> 00:49:56,034
Speaker 2: T shirt or something. I'm like, there's a.

1066
00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:56,513
Speaker 3: Lot of clothes.

1067
00:49:56,554 --> 00:49:59,433
Speaker 2: I know it's Manchester and it's cold, but like they're

1068
00:49:59,474 --> 00:50:00,674
Speaker 2: inside anyway.

1069
00:50:01,234 --> 00:50:04,154
Speaker 3: But that aside, it's just joy, Like it's just joy.

1070
00:50:04,234 --> 00:50:06,433
Speaker 3: You can see how much he loves this music. I

1071
00:50:06,474 --> 00:50:07,794
Speaker 3: was a little bit worried about him at the end,

1072
00:50:07,794 --> 00:50:09,913
Speaker 3: because he goes off and he's on his own, and

1073
00:50:09,954 --> 00:50:11,514
Speaker 3: I'm like, why don't you wait for the band and

1074
00:50:11,514 --> 00:50:12,314
Speaker 3: all hug each other?

1075
00:50:12,354 --> 00:50:14,354
Speaker 5: And like I am.

1076
00:50:14,434 --> 00:50:16,953
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm worried about you anyway. Apart from that,

1077
00:50:17,234 --> 00:50:19,594
Speaker 3: apparently what's the name he's dating? So we crab it.

1078
00:50:19,914 --> 00:50:22,033
Speaker 2: Yes, she was there, but she isn't on the film

1079
00:50:22,034 --> 00:50:22,834
Speaker 2: because he doesn't do that.

1080
00:50:23,274 --> 00:50:23,993
Speaker 5: I would have liked that.

1081
00:50:24,114 --> 00:50:26,954
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was definitely there. They were seeing in Manchester

1082
00:50:26,994 --> 00:50:29,554
Speaker 3: that day, but she wasn't there anyway. It's great if

1083
00:50:29,594 --> 00:50:31,714
Speaker 3: you just want some good shoes to clean your frickin'

1084
00:50:31,714 --> 00:50:34,314
Speaker 3: house too, or maybe dance around to your move app

1085
00:50:34,394 --> 00:50:34,794
Speaker 3: or whatever.

1086
00:50:35,354 --> 00:50:39,074
Speaker 2: Harry's live show is it okay?

1087
00:50:39,234 --> 00:50:40,553
Speaker 5: I might give it a go now.

1088
00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:41,874
Speaker 2: The man is amazing.

1089
00:50:42,194 --> 00:50:43,234
Speaker 5: He's a good scene.

1090
00:50:43,834 --> 00:50:47,634
Speaker 2: Anyway. It's called One Night in Manchester and it's on Netflix. No,

1091
00:50:49,754 --> 00:50:51,513
Speaker 2: that is all we have time for this week.

1092
00:50:51,594 --> 00:50:54,114
Speaker 3: Friends, A massive thank you to all of you for

1093
00:50:54,194 --> 00:50:56,513
Speaker 3: being here with us all week. Who wants to thank

1094
00:50:56,514 --> 00:50:57,393
Speaker 3: our incredible team?

1095
00:50:57,634 --> 00:51:00,993
Speaker 2: I can a big thank you to our beautiful, beautiful team.

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Speaker 2: Our group executive producer Rude Divine, our executive producer Sashatanic,

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Speaker 2: our senior audio producer Is Porges, our video producer Josh Green,

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Speaker 2: and our junior content producer.

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Speaker 5: Is Tessa Kodovich.

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Speaker 4: Mum mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

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Speaker 4: which we have recorded this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey out louders.

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Speaker 3: Miya does special subscriber episodes every Tuesday and every Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you're listening because they are golden and we are

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Speaker 3: about to play you part of the conversation that she

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Speaker 3: and Amelia Lester had yesterday about female friendship. A link

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Speaker 3: to subscribe is in the show notes.

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Speaker 6: Well, the weird thing about our friendship is that we

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Speaker 6: have had the energy, but we've never had proximity, and

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Speaker 6: we've never had timing.

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Speaker 5: We've always been in.

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Speaker 6: Vastly different life stages. You're much younger than me, much

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Speaker 6: much decades younger, right decade, but also life stage wise, yes,

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Speaker 6: like by the time I was your age, finished having kids.

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Speaker 6: You've got little kids.

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Speaker 1: You're a grandmother.

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Speaker 6: I'm a grandmother, so our kids are similar ages. But

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Speaker 6: I'm a grandmother and you weren't even married when I

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Speaker 6: met you. And then when we're in proximity. You know,

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Speaker 6: we both worked in the media and stuff, but then

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Speaker 6: you took a different track with your career and moved

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Speaker 6: back overseas, so we've never had those things. What we've

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Speaker 6: always had is energy. Yes, you know for the ten

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Speaker 6: years of our friendship. Yes, we've just pinged back and

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Speaker 6: forth multiple times every day.

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Speaker 1: But what I wanted to ask about is on that

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Speaker 1: energy point, what does mel say about the extent to

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Speaker 1: which you should be sort of letting your friends versus

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Speaker 1: intervening with them, Because I feel like since I moved

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Speaker 1: back and we've been in closer contact physically, I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've had a few blow ups that we didn't

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Speaker 1: have before, And I wonder if that's because we are

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Speaker 1: expecting or demanding more from each other now that we're.

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Speaker 6: No, I think it's because we're working together now. Oh,

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Speaker 6: I think it's that. I honestly don't think it's that. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's the proximity will never be in

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Speaker 6: the same life stage, although no, we probably won't.

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Speaker 1: But then this morning when we were talking about it,

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Speaker 1: Holly said, Oh, I let everyone do everything, and if

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Speaker 1: a friend is doing something annoying, I just let it go.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious what you think about that, because I

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Speaker 1: heard that and I thought I'm the opposite of that.

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Speaker 1: I never let anything go. In fact, you said to

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Speaker 1: me you never let anything go.

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Speaker 6: You never let anything go, but not necessarily in a

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Speaker 6: bad way. You're not afraid of confrontation, and most people are,

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Speaker 6: and I've never minded that about you.