1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:26,944 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:26,984 --> 00:00:30,144 Speaker 1: the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick 5 00:00:30,184 --> 00:00:33,024 Speaker 1: and I'm m Vernon and coming up on the show today. Oh, 6 00:00:33,104 --> 00:00:36,584 Speaker 1: we've had some breaking news over the weekend. Barry Kugan 7 00:00:36,624 --> 00:00:39,424 Speaker 1: has issued a statement something he's never done before Twitter 8 00:00:39,544 --> 00:00:42,304 Speaker 1: on Twitter now known as ex about his breakup from 9 00:00:42,344 --> 00:00:44,664 Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter. And we have to read between the lines 10 00:00:44,704 --> 00:00:47,224 Speaker 1: because there's much more going on here than just this statement. 11 00:00:47,544 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 1: But first, Emily Vernon, Big weekend for you and your 12 00:00:50,104 --> 00:00:51,944 Speaker 1: Poor Mescal fandom. 13 00:00:51,544 --> 00:00:55,464 Speaker 2: Big weekend for the girls. Poor Mescal performed on Saturday 14 00:00:55,544 --> 00:01:00,544 Speaker 2: Night Live. He was very hot and that's the end 15 00:01:00,544 --> 00:01:03,864 Speaker 2: of the segment. I watched the segment and okay, he 16 00:01:03,984 --> 00:01:07,344 Speaker 2: hosted me, he hosted SNL. Also, Tricia Peters was there. 17 00:01:07,384 --> 00:01:10,784 Speaker 2: That's a whole other story. He it's a comedy sho show, right, 18 00:01:10,784 --> 00:01:14,384 Speaker 2: and he's not. He's not a comedy actor. And that 19 00:01:14,504 --> 00:01:17,744 Speaker 2: really came across while watching it. But I think because 20 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:19,704 Speaker 2: he was so hot, everyone just really enjoyed it. 21 00:01:19,744 --> 00:01:22,984 Speaker 1: Well, they just really leant into his hotness and how 22 00:01:23,064 --> 00:01:25,664 Speaker 1: uncomfortable he is about it, because they had a skit 23 00:01:25,744 --> 00:01:28,144 Speaker 1: with like other actors wearing like the short shorts. Yeah, 24 00:01:28,304 --> 00:01:30,104 Speaker 1: kind of like we did when he was in Australia too. 25 00:01:30,144 --> 00:01:31,984 Speaker 1: I was like he was still a joke. It's so 26 00:01:32,104 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 1: clear about running in short shorts. And also the opening 27 00:01:35,264 --> 00:01:37,784 Speaker 1: bits were Choe Fyneman, who's a cast member on the show, 28 00:01:38,224 --> 00:01:40,224 Speaker 1: just being like, yes, I'll date your breakup with my boyfriend, 29 00:01:40,304 --> 00:01:42,064 Speaker 1: I'll do it, and he's like, that's not what I said. 30 00:01:42,064 --> 00:01:44,064 Speaker 1: And everyriend's like she's just hearing what she wants to hear, 31 00:01:44,224 --> 00:01:46,464 Speaker 1: which is like every other woman around from all. 32 00:01:46,344 --> 00:01:48,584 Speaker 2: Of it was like so so funny. Yeah, the short 33 00:01:48,584 --> 00:01:51,304 Speaker 2: shorts were a big theme in the whole show. He 34 00:01:51,704 --> 00:01:53,744 Speaker 2: talked about how people would ask dous he were killed 35 00:01:53,744 --> 00:01:55,944 Speaker 2: and he's like, no, that's a Scottish thing. Irish men 36 00:01:55,984 --> 00:02:00,584 Speaker 2: wear short irishman with short shorts. My favorite part of 37 00:02:00,624 --> 00:02:03,864 Speaker 2: it though, was they were talking about the success of 38 00:02:03,984 --> 00:02:07,344 Speaker 2: Wicked and Moanitu Yeah, and how they decided to release 39 00:02:07,384 --> 00:02:12,384 Speaker 2: a trailer for Gladiator the musical. Yes, Gladiator twosicle. If 40 00:02:12,424 --> 00:02:15,224 Speaker 2: you Will and they were talking about how it's just 41 00:02:15,264 --> 00:02:18,264 Speaker 2: like Gladiator, but fifty minutes more of with just songs. 42 00:02:18,704 --> 00:02:21,024 Speaker 2: It was so funny, like his voice is amazing. 43 00:02:21,184 --> 00:02:22,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, he sounded great, He looks great. 44 00:02:23,304 --> 00:02:27,064 Speaker 2: Sounds like Russell Crowe. He has the exact same singing 45 00:02:27,144 --> 00:02:29,144 Speaker 2: voices Russell Crowe. 46 00:02:29,224 --> 00:02:34,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, and all they see it's a killing machine. They 47 00:02:34,344 --> 00:02:38,464 Speaker 1: don't know the far below. I'm so much more than 48 00:02:38,744 --> 00:02:39,224 Speaker 1: I see. 49 00:02:39,664 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 2: Call me glady, lad, they call me slave, they. 50 00:02:45,824 --> 00:02:50,744 Speaker 1: Call me your killer. But someday they'll know man. Yeah. 51 00:02:50,784 --> 00:02:52,984 Speaker 1: I was like, let's actually make Gladiator to a musical 52 00:02:53,024 --> 00:02:55,104 Speaker 1: because it felt so like over the top. In some 53 00:02:55,184 --> 00:02:57,704 Speaker 1: moments they could break into song. Imagine that scene with 54 00:02:57,744 --> 00:02:59,824 Speaker 1: all the sharks and the coliseum and they all rose 55 00:02:59,824 --> 00:03:01,624 Speaker 1: out of the water and started singing something. It's like 56 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:03,904 Speaker 1: Little Mermaid. That would have been amazing. But there was 57 00:03:03,904 --> 00:03:04,944 Speaker 1: one be you loved. 58 00:03:04,704 --> 00:03:07,264 Speaker 2: Right, So they called the Gladiator twosicle. Some of my 59 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:09,624 Speaker 2: favorite parts was because they framed it as a trailer. 60 00:03:09,664 --> 00:03:11,504 Speaker 2: They were like quotes coming in and there was a 61 00:03:11,584 --> 00:03:14,344 Speaker 2: quote by Ridley Scott that you see pop up on 62 00:03:14,384 --> 00:03:16,744 Speaker 2: the screen because he's the director of Gladia, that said 63 00:03:17,344 --> 00:03:19,504 Speaker 2: I was not told about this and it's just like 64 00:03:19,784 --> 00:03:24,504 Speaker 2: Ridley Scott was not told about this, so freaking funny. 65 00:03:24,664 --> 00:03:26,824 Speaker 2: He's dancing a lot. There's a part where he raps, 66 00:03:26,824 --> 00:03:29,664 Speaker 2: and it said that lin Manuel Miranda created this rap 67 00:03:29,744 --> 00:03:32,264 Speaker 2: song for him about whether he chooses to die or not. 68 00:03:32,624 --> 00:03:34,984 Speaker 2: So the whole song was cold. There's no place like Rome, 69 00:03:36,024 --> 00:03:38,984 Speaker 2: pretty much ceiling from Wizard of Oz. But at the 70 00:03:39,144 --> 00:03:41,584 Speaker 2: end he's like, there's no place like and then you 71 00:03:41,584 --> 00:03:43,344 Speaker 2: see him on the broomstick and he's like. 72 00:03:43,704 --> 00:03:50,024 Speaker 1: Right, that was wow. That was a lot no place 73 00:03:50,264 --> 00:03:55,304 Speaker 1: like Roll. It's so funny because he has the goofiest 74 00:03:55,344 --> 00:03:58,024 Speaker 1: smile on his face in that moment when he rises 75 00:03:58,104 --> 00:04:00,624 Speaker 1: up over the broom over Rome and tries to like 76 00:04:00,744 --> 00:04:02,904 Speaker 1: emulate the whole wicked Press thing. 77 00:04:03,024 --> 00:04:05,424 Speaker 2: It's I think also because he's not traditionally a comedy 78 00:04:05,504 --> 00:04:07,464 Speaker 2: actor that when he's about to tell a joke, you 79 00:04:07,504 --> 00:04:09,624 Speaker 2: can see in his eyes where he's just like, you 80 00:04:09,624 --> 00:04:10,304 Speaker 2: guys are gonna love. 81 00:04:10,984 --> 00:04:14,064 Speaker 1: He starts laughing before the punchline comes. I know he 82 00:04:14,184 --> 00:04:16,424 Speaker 1: was doing it during the setup two when Chloe Fineman 83 00:04:16,704 --> 00:04:18,584 Speaker 1: and the other people trying to deliver their jokes. He's 84 00:04:18,624 --> 00:04:21,344 Speaker 1: like looking down smiling like you were just so not 85 00:04:21,424 --> 00:04:25,064 Speaker 1: cut out for this. It's funny though, because they really 86 00:04:25,104 --> 00:04:28,264 Speaker 1: tried to make Glicked, which is Gladiator and Wicked a thing. 87 00:04:28,504 --> 00:04:30,064 Speaker 2: Its glicked. I thought it was glicked. 88 00:04:30,264 --> 00:04:34,424 Speaker 1: I've heard glicked, You're glicked, clicked either one of those. 89 00:04:34,944 --> 00:04:37,344 Speaker 1: It didn't really take off the way that Barbenheimer did. 90 00:04:37,384 --> 00:04:39,304 Speaker 1: I think, don't think you can really manufacture that. Also, 91 00:04:39,344 --> 00:04:41,264 Speaker 1: they weren't released on the same weekend. There was quite 92 00:04:41,264 --> 00:04:43,144 Speaker 1: a kind of bit of time, a few weeks between them. 93 00:04:43,424 --> 00:04:45,264 Speaker 2: We tried to make this a thing, didn't really Yeah, 94 00:04:45,344 --> 00:04:45,704 Speaker 2: I think. 95 00:04:45,544 --> 00:04:47,784 Speaker 1: The marketing did a little bit, but didn't really take off. 96 00:04:47,824 --> 00:04:49,784 Speaker 1: So it's funny that they lent into it. My other 97 00:04:49,824 --> 00:04:52,504 Speaker 1: favorite thing from this is that obviously Pedro Pascal is 98 00:04:52,544 --> 00:04:55,624 Speaker 1: in Gladiator too as well, and he is trying to 99 00:04:55,624 --> 00:04:57,904 Speaker 1: be a supportive coast. He and Paul mescal are really 100 00:04:57,904 --> 00:05:01,024 Speaker 1: good friends, and so he put up an Instagram story 101 00:05:01,104 --> 00:05:03,784 Speaker 1: being like, you know, clapping hand emoji's congrats, but tagged 102 00:05:03,784 --> 00:05:08,184 Speaker 1: his private Instagram, which I gonna say, isn't that private. 103 00:05:08,224 --> 00:05:11,144 Speaker 1: People are making a big deal that Pedro outed Instagram, 104 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:12,864 Speaker 1: but there's heaps of people follow it. 105 00:05:13,024 --> 00:05:15,184 Speaker 2: Heaps of people follow it. He put it on private, 106 00:05:15,304 --> 00:05:17,624 Speaker 2: like I feel like straight after normal people when he. 107 00:05:17,664 --> 00:05:19,304 Speaker 1: Probably got a bit because I know he must be 108 00:05:19,344 --> 00:05:21,664 Speaker 1: accepting people. There's people I know that are on that 109 00:05:21,744 --> 00:05:22,784 Speaker 1: private account. 110 00:05:22,464 --> 00:05:24,424 Speaker 2: But I think they would have followed him while he 111 00:05:24,504 --> 00:05:26,264 Speaker 2: was a normal people because he put it on private 112 00:05:26,304 --> 00:05:26,864 Speaker 2: straight after that. 113 00:05:26,944 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 1: So I request him. It's at big Bread peddler. 114 00:05:29,544 --> 00:05:34,384 Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I've been requesting him for years. 115 00:05:33,384 --> 00:05:34,704 Speaker 1: And he's not letting any new people in. 116 00:05:35,064 --> 00:05:36,424 Speaker 2: Now you have to be an og fan. 117 00:05:36,584 --> 00:05:39,264 Speaker 1: Okay, well that's when I fault the worry a bit, like. 118 00:05:39,944 --> 00:05:42,424 Speaker 2: Paul Mescal picks which you repost the photos posts on there. 119 00:05:42,624 --> 00:05:44,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's obviously not the same thing as being on 120 00:05:44,664 --> 00:05:46,704 Speaker 1: the inner sanctum of his Instagram. I didn't want to 121 00:05:46,744 --> 00:05:49,304 Speaker 1: follow him. I don't real follow that many celebrities, especially to. 122 00:05:49,344 --> 00:05:52,224 Speaker 2: Gain the Instagram accounts, passwords and logins from our friends 123 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:53,024 Speaker 2: who do follow him. 124 00:05:53,104 --> 00:05:55,264 Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll put that on the list if you're 125 00:05:55,304 --> 00:05:57,864 Speaker 1: if you're in Paul Mescal's secret Instagram, let us know 126 00:05:57,864 --> 00:06:00,104 Speaker 1: if he's posted any reactions to Saturday Night Light Live. 127 00:06:00,184 --> 00:06:01,744 Speaker 1: But yeah, what a great host. 128 00:06:04,264 --> 00:06:06,824 Speaker 2: So I need to cast your mind back to I 129 00:06:06,824 --> 00:06:09,744 Speaker 2: want to say, like a few weeks ago where we 130 00:06:09,784 --> 00:06:13,424 Speaker 2: talked about this very specific interview that went viral during 131 00:06:13,464 --> 00:06:17,104 Speaker 2: the press tour of Wicked. It was a journalist's named 132 00:06:17,144 --> 00:06:21,944 Speaker 2: Tracy Gilchrist who was talking to Ariana and Cynthia Rivo 133 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:28,024 Speaker 2: about Wicked and defining gravity, and she told them that 134 00:06:28,464 --> 00:06:31,184 Speaker 2: people had been taking the lyrics of defying gravity and 135 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,984 Speaker 2: really holding space with that and feeling the power to that, 136 00:06:34,344 --> 00:06:38,064 Speaker 2: to which Cynthia Riva responded, I didn't know that was happening, 137 00:06:38,104 --> 00:06:39,064 Speaker 2: and she got quite teary. 138 00:06:39,184 --> 00:06:43,304 Speaker 1: I've seen this week people are taking the lyrics of 139 00:06:43,304 --> 00:06:46,904 Speaker 1: defying gravity and really holding space with that and feeling 140 00:06:47,024 --> 00:06:47,784 Speaker 1: power in that. 141 00:06:48,704 --> 00:06:50,424 Speaker 2: I didn't know that that was happening. 142 00:06:50,664 --> 00:06:51,264 Speaker 1: I've seen it. 143 00:06:51,384 --> 00:06:54,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really powerful. 144 00:06:55,024 --> 00:06:58,664 Speaker 2: She got quite theory and then famously, Ariana Grande grabbed her. 145 00:06:58,544 --> 00:07:01,064 Speaker 1: Finger, just one finger and just held it and tapped 146 00:07:01,104 --> 00:07:02,384 Speaker 1: a little bit and just powered it. 147 00:07:03,024 --> 00:07:07,304 Speaker 2: Finally, after the virality of that interview, Cynthia Riva and 148 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:12,384 Speaker 2: Ariana Grande talked about that situation variety. They were talking 149 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:15,304 Speaker 2: about the entire moment of it and how they were 150 00:07:15,344 --> 00:07:18,544 Speaker 2: saying that they didn't even know what was happening. Cynthia 151 00:07:18,744 --> 00:07:22,064 Speaker 2: started off being quite conservative when she was asked about 152 00:07:22,064 --> 00:07:24,224 Speaker 2: what she thought of when that interview on Noll and 153 00:07:24,264 --> 00:07:27,824 Speaker 2: she was saying, I genuinely was like shocked and emotional 154 00:07:27,984 --> 00:07:30,744 Speaker 2: about knowing that people were holding space for this song 155 00:07:30,824 --> 00:07:34,144 Speaker 2: and like without judgment and we're really feeling that. Ariana 156 00:07:34,224 --> 00:07:37,024 Speaker 2: was a bit more candid. She said, so, I didn't 157 00:07:37,024 --> 00:07:39,144 Speaker 2: know what any part of it meant. I didn't understand 158 00:07:39,144 --> 00:07:42,304 Speaker 2: the first sentence and I definitely didn't understand what was happening. 159 00:07:42,664 --> 00:07:44,584 Speaker 2: And she looked at Cynthia Reva and she was talking 160 00:07:44,584 --> 00:07:48,224 Speaker 2: about how she didn't understand what she heard because Cynthia's 161 00:07:48,224 --> 00:07:49,704 Speaker 2: emotions were very confusing. 162 00:07:49,944 --> 00:07:50,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, so she. 163 00:07:50,864 --> 00:07:53,544 Speaker 2: Was like, oh, what did she say? What did you hear? 164 00:07:53,624 --> 00:07:55,904 Speaker 2: I didn't hear any of that. I don't understand what's happening. 165 00:07:56,384 --> 00:07:59,984 Speaker 2: And then Cynthia admitted that, okay, I also didn't understand 166 00:08:00,064 --> 00:08:02,544 Speaker 2: what was happening really towards the end of that, but 167 00:08:02,584 --> 00:08:05,584 Speaker 2: then they talked about like from the interviewer's point of view, 168 00:08:05,664 --> 00:08:07,824 Speaker 2: because the interviewer has like kind of made the fun 169 00:08:07,824 --> 00:08:10,664 Speaker 2: of herself and posted a video of her going, this 170 00:08:10,744 --> 00:08:12,944 Speaker 2: is me holding space for defying Gravit. Yeah, and Ariana 171 00:08:12,944 --> 00:08:15,184 Speaker 2: Grande commented answer that same queen, we love you. 172 00:08:15,584 --> 00:08:18,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've tried to be very complimentary about Tracy, which 173 00:08:18,384 --> 00:08:20,184 Speaker 1: you'd want to do too, because like most people were 174 00:08:20,224 --> 00:08:22,104 Speaker 1: just doing the right thing and just having this kind 175 00:08:22,104 --> 00:08:24,224 Speaker 1: of fun Internet moment, but a few people were making 176 00:08:24,264 --> 00:08:26,144 Speaker 1: fun of her. Can I say I feel a bit 177 00:08:26,184 --> 00:08:28,544 Speaker 1: stupid because when I watched that interview, I was like 178 00:08:28,664 --> 00:08:30,784 Speaker 1: I understood what that journalists were saying, Like I didn't 179 00:08:30,784 --> 00:08:32,024 Speaker 1: think it was a stupid thing to say. 180 00:08:32,184 --> 00:08:35,064 Speaker 2: I liked what Ariana Grande said in kind of support 181 00:08:35,064 --> 00:08:36,824 Speaker 2: for the journal because I think it now makes more 182 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:40,664 Speaker 2: sense where Tracy wanted to share that with them. Yeah, 183 00:08:40,744 --> 00:08:45,144 Speaker 2: and then Cynthia's and Ariana's reaction was like quite emotional, 184 00:08:45,704 --> 00:08:48,544 Speaker 2: but Tracy probably thought that they took it in a 185 00:08:48,584 --> 00:08:50,664 Speaker 2: different way, So then she tried to follow that part 186 00:08:50,704 --> 00:08:53,104 Speaker 2: that they were taking Yeah, just what a good journeal does. 187 00:08:53,264 --> 00:08:55,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And also sometimes in an interview, like I 188 00:08:55,864 --> 00:08:57,744 Speaker 1: think what she was trying to say was a lot 189 00:08:57,824 --> 00:09:01,064 Speaker 1: of people are really loving like the message of this song. 190 00:09:01,304 --> 00:09:03,304 Speaker 1: Like obviously it was a silly thing to say in 191 00:09:03,424 --> 00:09:06,104 Speaker 1: terms of saying like, oh, like it's really happening and 192 00:09:06,144 --> 00:09:08,104 Speaker 1: then saying, well, it's actually just a few of my friends, 193 00:09:08,544 --> 00:09:10,784 Speaker 1: which is, you know a lot of jonal questions like that, 194 00:09:10,944 --> 00:09:12,784 Speaker 1: especially in a junkket because you've got to throw these 195 00:09:12,864 --> 00:09:15,784 Speaker 1: questions out quickly. And sometimes I will sort of practice 196 00:09:15,784 --> 00:09:18,064 Speaker 1: saying my questions first before I go in, not so 197 00:09:18,104 --> 00:09:20,744 Speaker 1: that I sound stilted. Otherwise you start waffling and you 198 00:09:20,824 --> 00:09:22,864 Speaker 1: lose what you want to say. But I think what 199 00:09:22,904 --> 00:09:25,024 Speaker 1: she meant to say is that a lot of people 200 00:09:25,064 --> 00:09:27,504 Speaker 1: are really having an emotional attachment to lyrics of defy 201 00:09:27,584 --> 00:09:30,104 Speaker 1: and gravity, which they have for the last twenty years. 202 00:09:30,144 --> 00:09:31,984 Speaker 1: You know, if I'm flying sole, at least i'm flying 203 00:09:32,024 --> 00:09:33,544 Speaker 1: free and no one's going to bring me down, Like 204 00:09:33,584 --> 00:09:35,784 Speaker 1: it's a battle cry song for people. And I think 205 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:37,624 Speaker 1: that's what she meant to say, which has been a 206 00:09:37,664 --> 00:09:41,744 Speaker 1: big theme over the press junkert But she just phrased 207 00:09:41,784 --> 00:09:44,024 Speaker 1: it in a strange way. But I also love that 208 00:09:44,064 --> 00:09:45,984 Speaker 1: Cynthia just went with it, because the worst thing she 209 00:09:46,024 --> 00:09:47,824 Speaker 1: could have done in that moment was just kind of 210 00:09:47,864 --> 00:09:51,704 Speaker 1: blink her and go, oh, okay, what do you mean? Yeah, 211 00:09:51,744 --> 00:09:52,904 Speaker 1: what do you mean? She was like, Oh, I didn't 212 00:09:52,944 --> 00:09:54,984 Speaker 1: realize that was happening. But then she actually gets something 213 00:09:54,984 --> 00:09:57,184 Speaker 1: like I think Cynthia is now backtracking a little bit. 214 00:09:57,184 --> 00:09:59,384 Speaker 1: Can I just say is that she's been like, oh yeah, 215 00:09:59,384 --> 00:10:01,904 Speaker 1: I didn't understand what she was saying, but like in 216 00:10:01,904 --> 00:10:04,144 Speaker 1: that moment she teared up. I'm like, it's okay if 217 00:10:04,184 --> 00:10:07,504 Speaker 1: you heard something different, yeah, don't change it now. Yeah. 218 00:10:07,504 --> 00:10:09,584 Speaker 2: We all interpret questions a bit differently. Look at my 219 00:10:09,824 --> 00:10:12,424 Speaker 2: year ten English essays completely different. 220 00:10:12,624 --> 00:10:14,584 Speaker 1: I also liked how when they asked her in the 221 00:10:14,624 --> 00:10:17,944 Speaker 1: Variety interview about their finger holding thing, Aaran is like, yeah, 222 00:10:17,944 --> 00:10:20,224 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. I kept thinking to myself, 223 00:10:20,504 --> 00:10:23,384 Speaker 1: Am I okay, am I okay, I'm not understanding what's 224 00:10:23,384 --> 00:10:25,064 Speaker 1: happening here. And if you zeem it on her face, 225 00:10:25,104 --> 00:10:27,144 Speaker 1: you can see that happening behind her eyes. She keeps 226 00:10:27,224 --> 00:10:27,824 Speaker 1: kind of looking up. 227 00:10:27,744 --> 00:10:31,544 Speaker 2: At this time to act girl, Yeah, what's going on exactly? 228 00:10:31,584 --> 00:10:32,904 Speaker 1: She's like, this is how I get my oscar for. 229 00:10:33,744 --> 00:10:35,144 Speaker 2: She's like, and then there was a tapping thing and 230 00:10:35,184 --> 00:10:35,904 Speaker 2: that just happened. 231 00:10:36,064 --> 00:10:37,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, I didn't know what was happening, but 232 00:10:37,624 --> 00:10:39,544 Speaker 1: I just felt I needed to hold Cynthia, And they've 233 00:10:39,584 --> 00:10:41,784 Speaker 1: been holding hands all pressed to her. They held hands 234 00:10:41,784 --> 00:10:43,144 Speaker 1: through my whole interview with them as. 235 00:10:43,064 --> 00:10:44,184 Speaker 2: Well, like can I get in on that? 236 00:10:44,384 --> 00:10:46,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, little little hand holding, And then I think she 237 00:10:46,824 --> 00:10:49,584 Speaker 1: just held a finger because also Cynthia's nails are amazing, 238 00:10:49,624 --> 00:10:51,904 Speaker 1: as we've seen this Prince tour. They're long, like they're huge, 239 00:10:51,904 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 1: like you could just hold a nail. 240 00:10:52,944 --> 00:10:55,864 Speaker 2: And hearing her response kind of like makes sense because 241 00:10:55,864 --> 00:10:57,824 Speaker 2: she's like, what if this isn't as emotional as I'm 242 00:10:57,824 --> 00:10:59,824 Speaker 2: perceiving it to be, Let's just hold a finger and 243 00:10:59,864 --> 00:11:00,704 Speaker 2: see what happens. 244 00:11:00,704 --> 00:11:03,224 Speaker 1: We won't go the fullhand. I don't want to peak 245 00:11:03,264 --> 00:11:06,184 Speaker 1: too soon. The funny thing. The funny thing about this 246 00:11:06,224 --> 00:11:08,704 Speaker 1: interview with Variety where they're unpacking is they talked about 247 00:11:08,744 --> 00:11:11,304 Speaker 1: so much more stuff, but this is all everyone's caring about. 248 00:11:11,784 --> 00:11:13,784 Speaker 1: Is that John m Two, who's the director of Wicked, 249 00:11:13,864 --> 00:11:16,424 Speaker 1: was in there too, and so Ariana and Cynthia have 250 00:11:16,504 --> 00:11:18,344 Speaker 1: this big moment explaining that they didn't know what was 251 00:11:18,384 --> 00:11:19,864 Speaker 1: going on and why they did this and all this 252 00:11:19,904 --> 00:11:22,144 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and then the camera pans over to John. 253 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I wasn't there. I was in the 254 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:27,504 Speaker 1: other room. He's like, I felt something happening. I definitely 255 00:11:27,504 --> 00:11:28,944 Speaker 1: felt something happening from the other room. 256 00:11:29,504 --> 00:11:31,264 Speaker 2: John's like, any questions for me, Yeah, any. 257 00:11:31,144 --> 00:11:33,344 Speaker 1: Questions about the movie I spent five years of my 258 00:11:33,424 --> 00:11:37,624 Speaker 1: life making. No, he's doing okay, Ye, he's fine. Everyone's 259 00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:39,224 Speaker 1: loving his movie. He's having a great time. 260 00:11:39,424 --> 00:11:42,304 Speaker 2: If you haven't already, come on, man, we've done a 261 00:11:42,304 --> 00:11:46,304 Speaker 2: brutally honest review of Wicked Part one. It's one of 262 00:11:46,304 --> 00:11:49,104 Speaker 2: your favorites, as you've mentioned many many times. Thank you 263 00:11:49,104 --> 00:11:50,624 Speaker 2: so much. If you haven't listened to that, we will 264 00:11:50,624 --> 00:11:51,664 Speaker 2: link it in our show notes. 265 00:11:53,704 --> 00:11:56,304 Speaker 1: So about a week ago we spoke about the very 266 00:11:56,344 --> 00:11:59,984 Speaker 1: important story, which is Barry Kugan and Sabrina Carpenter. Those 267 00:11:59,984 --> 00:12:01,424 Speaker 1: two sexy little kids. 268 00:12:01,664 --> 00:12:04,184 Speaker 2: Ending their related little kids is not a sentence. 269 00:12:05,384 --> 00:12:07,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's weird. What's her whole thing that 270 00:12:07,264 --> 00:12:10,064 Speaker 1: she like does this whole like I'm like, I'm a baby, but. 271 00:12:10,024 --> 00:12:15,584 Speaker 2: She's like Polly Pocket. They're just short adults, really just adults. 272 00:12:15,664 --> 00:12:18,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're shorter than you. I think they're quite short adults. 273 00:12:19,024 --> 00:12:20,904 Speaker 1: And they were in love, but then their relationship came 274 00:12:20,984 --> 00:12:23,024 Speaker 1: to an end, reportedly after a year. So we talked 275 00:12:23,024 --> 00:12:26,184 Speaker 1: about that, and there was allegations that Barry Kurogan had 276 00:12:26,304 --> 00:12:29,984 Speaker 1: cheated on Sabrita Carpenter neither of them mentioned anything. She 277 00:12:30,064 --> 00:12:32,384 Speaker 1: was obviously being in like full promo mode for her 278 00:12:32,464 --> 00:12:34,584 Speaker 1: Christmas special that just came out on Netflix. That was 279 00:12:34,624 --> 00:12:36,464 Speaker 1: happening Christmas. Yes, did you. 280 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:38,064 Speaker 2: Talk about it on Friday? 281 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:39,784 Speaker 1: It was my weekend, your weekend one. 282 00:12:39,824 --> 00:12:40,704 Speaker 2: It was very sexy. 283 00:12:40,744 --> 00:12:43,104 Speaker 1: It was a sexy time, also very funny. 284 00:12:43,264 --> 00:12:46,024 Speaker 2: It was really funny. She's so funny. I forget how 285 00:12:46,064 --> 00:12:47,984 Speaker 2: funny she is as an actor. Yeah, because I knew 286 00:12:48,024 --> 00:12:49,544 Speaker 2: her as an actor. I think most people knew as 287 00:12:49,584 --> 00:12:51,664 Speaker 2: an actor before a singer. And I was like, yeah, 288 00:12:51,704 --> 00:12:53,304 Speaker 2: bring it back, bring it back the acting. I'm ready 289 00:12:53,344 --> 00:12:53,504 Speaker 2: for this. 290 00:12:53,624 --> 00:12:55,224 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure she'd be happy with that review because 291 00:12:55,224 --> 00:12:57,504 Speaker 1: they've had a bit of a rough time personally. So basically, 292 00:12:57,624 --> 00:13:00,624 Speaker 1: a lot of people got quite angry at Barry Krogan 293 00:13:00,784 --> 00:13:02,464 Speaker 1: because of the rumors that he had cheated on her, 294 00:13:02,584 --> 00:13:05,064 Speaker 1: especially because she had a lyric in the song that 295 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 1: she like. They performed in the music clip together saying 296 00:13:08,224 --> 00:13:08,984 Speaker 1: don't embarrass me. 297 00:13:10,024 --> 00:13:10,704 Speaker 2: She made it star. 298 00:13:12,744 --> 00:13:14,584 Speaker 1: So that was where it kind of ended for us. 299 00:13:14,624 --> 00:13:16,064 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and a lemon say is 300 00:13:16,064 --> 00:13:18,144 Speaker 1: that we saw the information, we talked about it. We're like, oh, 301 00:13:18,144 --> 00:13:18,864 Speaker 1: that's a bit wild and. 302 00:13:18,824 --> 00:13:19,904 Speaker 2: Then we're like mau, it's done. 303 00:13:20,024 --> 00:13:23,104 Speaker 1: But of course fans and people online just take things 304 00:13:23,464 --> 00:13:27,704 Speaker 1: always too far. And apparently there was quite an avalanche 305 00:13:27,744 --> 00:13:31,184 Speaker 1: of hate, both online and also in the real world physically, 306 00:13:31,624 --> 00:13:34,664 Speaker 1: as we'll get to against Barry Hugan for what had happened, 307 00:13:34,864 --> 00:13:37,464 Speaker 1: to the point where he deleted his Instagram account, and 308 00:13:37,464 --> 00:13:40,424 Speaker 1: then he posted this statement on Twitter which read, I 309 00:13:40,424 --> 00:13:43,064 Speaker 1: can only sit and take so much. My name has 310 00:13:43,104 --> 00:13:45,584 Speaker 1: been dragged across the Internet in ways I don't usually 311 00:13:45,624 --> 00:13:48,304 Speaker 1: respond to. I have to respond now because it's getting 312 00:13:48,304 --> 00:13:50,664 Speaker 1: to a place where there are too many lines being crossed. 313 00:13:50,944 --> 00:13:53,424 Speaker 1: I deactivated my account because I can no longer let 314 00:13:53,424 --> 00:13:56,024 Speaker 1: this stuff destruct from my family and my work. The 315 00:13:56,024 --> 00:13:59,144 Speaker 1: messages I received no person should have to read. He 316 00:13:59,224 --> 00:14:01,464 Speaker 1: goes on to say, then it's about absolute lies, hatred 317 00:14:01,504 --> 00:14:05,424 Speaker 1: discussed in commentary, everything about his appearance, how he is 318 00:14:05,504 --> 00:14:08,984 Speaker 1: a parent, and basically saying that people have dragged everything 319 00:14:09,024 --> 00:14:11,624 Speaker 1: that he's worked really hard. And this is also where 320 00:14:11,664 --> 00:14:14,144 Speaker 1: it got very intense, because then he says, people have 321 00:14:14,184 --> 00:14:16,184 Speaker 1: been talking about how I was a heroin Baby and 322 00:14:16,184 --> 00:14:18,784 Speaker 1: how I grew up and dragging my dear mother into this, 323 00:14:19,224 --> 00:14:21,944 Speaker 1: also knocking on my granny's door, which I found a 324 00:14:21,984 --> 00:14:25,344 Speaker 1: really disturbing part of this situation. Also, this next bit 325 00:14:25,424 --> 00:14:28,904 Speaker 1: sitting outside my baby boy's house intimidating them, that's crossing 326 00:14:28,904 --> 00:14:31,304 Speaker 1: a line. Each and every day I work hard to 327 00:14:31,344 --> 00:14:33,984 Speaker 1: push myself on every level to be the healthiest, strongest 328 00:14:33,984 --> 00:14:36,624 Speaker 1: person for that boy. I want to provide opportunities for 329 00:14:36,704 --> 00:14:39,024 Speaker 1: him to learn, fail, and grow. I want him to 330 00:14:39,024 --> 00:14:40,424 Speaker 1: be able to look up to his daddy, to have 331 00:14:40,464 --> 00:14:42,104 Speaker 1: full trust to me, and now I will have his 332 00:14:42,184 --> 00:14:44,824 Speaker 1: back no matter what. I need you all to remember 333 00:14:44,864 --> 00:14:46,584 Speaker 1: that he has to read all of this about his 334 00:14:46,624 --> 00:14:49,344 Speaker 1: father when he is older. Please be respectful to all. 335 00:14:49,464 --> 00:14:49,864 Speaker 1: Thank you. 336 00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:51,464 Speaker 2: He sounds angry. 337 00:14:51,544 --> 00:14:53,304 Speaker 1: I didn't read that in an accent because it is 338 00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:56,344 Speaker 1: obviously very serious, but I was tempted to. Also, A 339 00:14:56,464 --> 00:14:58,304 Speaker 1: very cute thing about him is he didn't spell check, 340 00:14:58,304 --> 00:15:02,344 Speaker 1: and he obviously doesn't use grammarly. Quite a few mistakes 341 00:15:02,384 --> 00:15:04,384 Speaker 1: in there, but a few things to point out. So 342 00:15:04,744 --> 00:15:07,344 Speaker 1: Barry Kurogan, especially in the last couple of years since 343 00:15:07,384 --> 00:15:09,864 Speaker 1: he really blew up and started getting all these lead 344 00:15:09,904 --> 00:15:13,504 Speaker 1: movie roles, has talked a lot about both his personal 345 00:15:13,504 --> 00:15:16,224 Speaker 1: life as a father and also his family. So he 346 00:15:16,264 --> 00:15:18,224 Speaker 1: has a two year old son called Brando with his 347 00:15:18,264 --> 00:15:21,384 Speaker 1: former partner Alison Kieran's. There was a lot of speculation, 348 00:15:21,464 --> 00:15:23,704 Speaker 1: a lot of hate towards him that when he became famous, 349 00:15:23,744 --> 00:15:25,904 Speaker 1: he left her and his son and hooked up with 350 00:15:25,944 --> 00:15:28,944 Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter instead, something that he's always denied, saying that 351 00:15:28,984 --> 00:15:31,624 Speaker 1: he's in his child's life a lot. The other thing 352 00:15:31,704 --> 00:15:33,664 Speaker 1: is that he's also been really open about the fact 353 00:15:33,704 --> 00:15:37,384 Speaker 1: that his mother battled a heroin addiction for his entire 354 00:15:37,424 --> 00:15:39,984 Speaker 1: life and his childhood growing up, and she very sadly 355 00:15:40,024 --> 00:15:42,664 Speaker 1: passed away when he was only twelve years old. He 356 00:15:42,704 --> 00:15:45,304 Speaker 1: then said that his father didn't want to have a 357 00:15:45,344 --> 00:15:48,944 Speaker 1: relationship with him before his mother's death or even after, 358 00:15:49,024 --> 00:15:51,904 Speaker 1: which led to him being placed in over fourteen foster 359 00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:54,904 Speaker 1: homes when he was growing up, and he's like, you know, 360 00:15:54,984 --> 00:15:56,824 Speaker 1: my mother, I love her, but she was unable to 361 00:15:56,864 --> 00:16:00,184 Speaker 1: look after me or herself. My father wasn't there, so 362 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:02,584 Speaker 1: I was just taken into care and had to sort of, 363 00:16:02,584 --> 00:16:04,944 Speaker 1: you know, make my way from there. So he's talked 364 00:16:04,944 --> 00:16:07,664 Speaker 1: a lot about that, And the really ugly side of 365 00:16:07,664 --> 00:16:09,904 Speaker 1: this is that when people have heard about the Sabrina 366 00:16:09,904 --> 00:16:13,344 Speaker 1: Carpenter break up, they've started attacking him and saying and 367 00:16:13,384 --> 00:16:14,824 Speaker 1: if you read some of the comments, like I was 368 00:16:14,824 --> 00:16:17,464 Speaker 1: trying not to go on that side of the online world, 369 00:16:17,464 --> 00:16:19,504 Speaker 1: but you know, looking into this, it kind of finds it. 370 00:16:19,544 --> 00:16:21,904 Speaker 1: And you can see that people are saying that he's 371 00:16:21,984 --> 00:16:24,304 Speaker 1: cheated on her because he is addled from being a 372 00:16:24,344 --> 00:16:26,824 Speaker 1: heroin baby, that his mother is to blame for this, 373 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:30,344 Speaker 1: his mother that's passed away saying awful things about his son, 374 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:33,104 Speaker 1: but also in that statement just saying that people are 375 00:16:33,104 --> 00:16:35,144 Speaker 1: going to his grandmother's house and knocking on the door, 376 00:16:35,184 --> 00:16:38,384 Speaker 1: but also sitting outside the house where his ex lives 377 00:16:38,384 --> 00:16:41,744 Speaker 1: with their baby to what to say to a two 378 00:16:41,824 --> 00:16:43,744 Speaker 1: year old, like, hey, your father's a dirty cheeter. 379 00:16:43,984 --> 00:16:46,944 Speaker 2: Yeah. And we've talked a lot about this, especially recently 380 00:16:46,984 --> 00:16:50,584 Speaker 2: with Chapel Rowan, about the gray area of stalking when 381 00:16:50,584 --> 00:16:53,224 Speaker 2: it comes to celebrity status. But I think because he's 382 00:16:53,224 --> 00:16:56,984 Speaker 2: been so open about his upbringing, especially because he obviously 383 00:16:57,064 --> 00:16:59,744 Speaker 2: wants to show that like he literally came from nothing 384 00:17:00,344 --> 00:17:02,024 Speaker 2: or like worse than nothing and made a name for 385 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 2: himself and touched himself out of there. And yet the 386 00:17:05,344 --> 00:17:09,664 Speaker 2: minute people perceive like a cheating scandal or a man 387 00:17:09,824 --> 00:17:13,264 Speaker 2: leaving him wife and kid behind, which is completely unproven 388 00:17:13,824 --> 00:17:17,024 Speaker 2: that automatically becomes the worst, worst thing. Yeah, and like 389 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:19,784 Speaker 2: everything is up for grabs to talk about because you 390 00:17:19,864 --> 00:17:22,784 Speaker 2: have that celebrity level and that's where it becomes really 391 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:23,304 Speaker 2: messed up. 392 00:17:23,704 --> 00:17:26,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And also just I think we just always 393 00:17:26,344 --> 00:17:29,944 Speaker 1: forget how intense people are because we see this hatred 394 00:17:29,984 --> 00:17:32,384 Speaker 1: online which we talk a lot about, and we know 395 00:17:32,424 --> 00:17:34,344 Speaker 1: that people love a pylon, but even more so than 396 00:17:34,344 --> 00:17:36,664 Speaker 1: people loving a pylon right now, people love to go 397 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:38,504 Speaker 1: out and make content because they're trying to get the 398 00:17:38,504 --> 00:17:40,544 Speaker 1: algorithm to push their content out. So all of these 399 00:17:40,584 --> 00:17:41,504 Speaker 1: people who are they're like. 400 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:43,264 Speaker 2: This thing I do won't hurt, Like, it won't make 401 00:17:43,304 --> 00:17:43,744 Speaker 2: a difference. 402 00:17:43,864 --> 00:17:47,104 Speaker 1: It's just one video, one post. Yeah, people going in 403 00:17:47,144 --> 00:17:49,384 Speaker 1: like physically tracking down him and his family is a lot. 404 00:17:49,464 --> 00:17:51,544 Speaker 1: And the other reason why it's blown up that people 405 00:17:51,584 --> 00:17:54,984 Speaker 1: think that he's cheating is that there was an influencer 406 00:17:55,064 --> 00:17:57,424 Speaker 1: called Brecky Hill who was really at the center of 407 00:17:57,504 --> 00:18:00,664 Speaker 1: the cheating allegations when it first came out. Now, Brecky 408 00:18:00,744 --> 00:18:03,384 Speaker 1: Hill has weighed in on what's happened, and I do 409 00:18:03,464 --> 00:18:05,024 Speaker 1: think she's just made like a bit of an error 410 00:18:05,024 --> 00:18:08,264 Speaker 1: in judgment at the beginning, So she was reposting on 411 00:18:08,304 --> 00:18:11,664 Speaker 1: her accounts some of the content there, articles and videos 412 00:18:11,664 --> 00:18:14,304 Speaker 1: and things about the fact that she had hooked up 413 00:18:14,504 --> 00:18:16,424 Speaker 1: with Barry Kurogan and she was the reason that he 414 00:18:16,464 --> 00:18:19,784 Speaker 1: and Sabrina Carpenter had split. And then over the weekend 415 00:18:19,944 --> 00:18:22,424 Speaker 1: she released a TikTok saying I just recently got out 416 00:18:22,424 --> 00:18:24,584 Speaker 1: of hospital. I got into a skiing accident and broke 417 00:18:24,584 --> 00:18:27,304 Speaker 1: my back, which sounds terrifying. Then she wanted to say, 418 00:18:27,384 --> 00:18:28,864 Speaker 1: now that I'm out of hospital, I just wanted to 419 00:18:28,864 --> 00:18:30,664 Speaker 1: make this video and address these rumors that have been 420 00:18:30,664 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 1: circulating throughout the internet. And then she wanted to say, no, 421 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:35,704 Speaker 1: I did not get with Barry Kirogan. I have never 422 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,144 Speaker 1: encountered this man in my life. The only time I've 423 00:18:38,144 --> 00:18:40,504 Speaker 1: seen him is in my TV from watching Saltburn, which 424 00:18:40,544 --> 00:18:44,224 Speaker 1: is a cute little thing, daddy. So all those videos, 425 00:18:44,304 --> 00:18:46,184 Speaker 1: she's going to get to that. Then she said, I 426 00:18:46,224 --> 00:18:48,304 Speaker 1: reposted this video of the rumors that showed up on 427 00:18:48,344 --> 00:18:50,704 Speaker 1: my four year page claiming that I was home wrecking 428 00:18:50,784 --> 00:18:53,424 Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter's relationship just simply because I thought it was 429 00:18:53,464 --> 00:18:56,464 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. I'm sorry but if I was really getting 430 00:18:56,464 --> 00:18:58,664 Speaker 1: with Barry, why in the world would I'd be posting 431 00:18:58,704 --> 00:19:01,184 Speaker 1: about it. Coming from someone who's been cheated on in 432 00:19:01,184 --> 00:19:03,424 Speaker 1: several different relationships, I would never want to be a 433 00:19:03,464 --> 00:19:06,264 Speaker 1: home wrecker in any relationship. We'll put any girl through 434 00:19:06,264 --> 00:19:09,144 Speaker 1: that pain. Ever, this whole story is so crazy. 435 00:19:09,504 --> 00:19:12,384 Speaker 3: She put it simply for you all. No, I did 436 00:19:12,424 --> 00:19:14,984 Speaker 3: not get with Barry. I have never even encountered this 437 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:15,984 Speaker 3: man in my life. 438 00:19:16,304 --> 00:19:18,624 Speaker 4: The only time I've seen him is on my TV 439 00:19:18,744 --> 00:19:22,024 Speaker 4: screen from watching Sulburn. I reposted this video that showed 440 00:19:22,064 --> 00:19:24,824 Speaker 4: up on my for you page, claiming that I was 441 00:19:24,864 --> 00:19:28,504 Speaker 4: homewrecking Sabrina Carpenter's relationship just simply because I thought it 442 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:32,584 Speaker 4: was so ridiculous. I'm sorry, But if I really was 443 00:19:32,624 --> 00:19:36,064 Speaker 4: the one getting with Barry, why in the world would 444 00:19:36,104 --> 00:19:36,424 Speaker 4: I be. 445 00:19:36,424 --> 00:19:39,304 Speaker 3: Reposting about it. What I will say, though, is coming 446 00:19:39,304 --> 00:19:43,464 Speaker 3: from someone who has been cheated on in several different relationships, 447 00:19:43,784 --> 00:19:47,744 Speaker 3: I would never want to home wreck any relationship or 448 00:19:47,784 --> 00:19:49,664 Speaker 3: put any girl through that page ever. 449 00:19:49,984 --> 00:19:52,544 Speaker 2: Ever, Oh, I don't know what I think. 450 00:19:52,624 --> 00:19:54,664 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't do. I think like his team. 451 00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:56,704 Speaker 2: Got in contact with her and I was like, stop reposting. 452 00:19:56,824 --> 00:19:59,664 Speaker 1: I wonder if what's happened is somehow her name. I mean, 453 00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:02,104 Speaker 1: I don't know if Barry Kurriygan cheated on her, Like 454 00:20:03,824 --> 00:20:06,744 Speaker 1: it's unconfirmed. Potentially we're probably not actually not going to 455 00:20:06,784 --> 00:20:09,464 Speaker 1: find out. My list Sabrina Carpenter writes a banger about it, 456 00:20:09,504 --> 00:20:10,984 Speaker 1: and we don't know if he cheat with this woman. 457 00:20:11,264 --> 00:20:13,864 Speaker 1: But I would say even if they hadn't hooked up, 458 00:20:14,424 --> 00:20:17,104 Speaker 1: maybe what's happened is that she's seen this video about 459 00:20:17,104 --> 00:20:19,544 Speaker 1: her hooking up with this big A list actor. She's 460 00:20:19,544 --> 00:20:21,584 Speaker 1: an influencer, like her whole job is to get eyes 461 00:20:21,624 --> 00:20:23,584 Speaker 1: on her account, so she's reposting it because you're a 462 00:20:23,624 --> 00:20:25,064 Speaker 1: bit like, oh, I'm in the mix with these like 463 00:20:25,064 --> 00:20:27,424 Speaker 1: Hollywood stars, I'm the same girl. 464 00:20:27,424 --> 00:20:28,024 Speaker 2: I'd have done the. 465 00:20:27,984 --> 00:20:30,504 Speaker 1: Same, would you really? I think I think she maybe 466 00:20:30,504 --> 00:20:32,344 Speaker 1: would have got like a little bit excited. 467 00:20:32,144 --> 00:20:34,744 Speaker 2: Or the same celebrity thing, right, Like these are A listers, 468 00:20:35,224 --> 00:20:37,344 Speaker 2: and I think working in the industry, you know that 469 00:20:37,384 --> 00:20:40,144 Speaker 2: there is quite a big gap between the influence of status 470 00:20:40,144 --> 00:20:42,384 Speaker 2: versus the A list of Hollywood. Absolutely, she would have 471 00:20:42,384 --> 00:20:44,584 Speaker 2: felt that she would have been like reposting this will 472 00:20:44,584 --> 00:20:47,224 Speaker 2: never make a difference. And then suddenly it's like headlines 473 00:20:47,224 --> 00:20:48,584 Speaker 2: and all the top public Yeah. 474 00:20:48,944 --> 00:20:50,464 Speaker 1: I one if she was just trying to really boost 475 00:20:50,504 --> 00:20:53,264 Speaker 1: her follow account and engagement, which it was happening like 476 00:20:53,344 --> 00:20:54,544 Speaker 1: all of these people who I've never heard of. 477 00:20:54,504 --> 00:20:56,384 Speaker 2: This, she probably thought it was so harmless and it's 478 00:20:56,384 --> 00:20:57,144 Speaker 2: like and then. 479 00:20:57,224 --> 00:20:59,304 Speaker 1: The hate started. So what I'm thinking is the same 480 00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:02,544 Speaker 1: people who have been tracking down Barry's grandmother and two 481 00:21:02,664 --> 00:21:04,904 Speaker 1: year old son and who have been making all these 482 00:21:04,944 --> 00:21:07,504 Speaker 1: awful things about his mother then started attacking her. So 483 00:21:07,544 --> 00:21:10,184 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this influencer, especially if she isn't 484 00:21:10,224 --> 00:21:11,984 Speaker 1: a hospital bed with a broken back, like, that's pretty 485 00:21:12,024 --> 00:21:13,344 Speaker 1: terrible she's looking. 486 00:21:13,504 --> 00:21:15,224 Speaker 2: But also she's missed all of this and has come 487 00:21:15,224 --> 00:21:18,624 Speaker 2: out the other end going if I was just having 488 00:21:18,664 --> 00:21:21,224 Speaker 2: some good old fun, Yeah, just having fust on TikTok 489 00:21:21,264 --> 00:21:24,264 Speaker 2: is so easy as well. It's one button, and you 490 00:21:24,424 --> 00:21:26,664 Speaker 2: really have to be following that person and looking at 491 00:21:26,744 --> 00:21:29,744 Speaker 2: their accounts, and they like TikTok's they reposted from their 492 00:21:29,784 --> 00:21:31,704 Speaker 2: account to figure it out. 493 00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:33,784 Speaker 1: I think what's happened. If she saw it was like, oh, 494 00:21:33,824 --> 00:21:35,864 Speaker 1: I can't believe my name's involved in this. Firstill a 495 00:21:35,864 --> 00:21:39,104 Speaker 1: little repost saw her follow account bump up great. When 496 00:21:39,184 --> 00:21:40,784 Speaker 1: to surgery for a back came out, it was like, 497 00:21:40,824 --> 00:21:44,024 Speaker 1: holy shit, I'm being attacked from all corners. People are 498 00:21:44,024 --> 00:21:47,464 Speaker 1: coming from me. My name in the statement. Yeah, Barry's upset. 499 00:21:47,664 --> 00:21:49,224 Speaker 1: That's the worst thing that could have happened. I can't 500 00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:51,704 Speaker 1: watch Salt Burn again ever. And so what I think 501 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:54,024 Speaker 1: has happened is now she's trying to sort of really 502 00:21:54,064 --> 00:21:57,144 Speaker 1: backtrack and say she wasn't involved, but yeah, it did 503 00:21:57,144 --> 00:21:59,784 Speaker 1: get very messy there for a while, just singing Christmas 504 00:21:59,824 --> 00:22:02,344 Speaker 1: car She just off singing Christmas songs. It's almost maybe 505 00:22:02,344 --> 00:22:03,984 Speaker 1: a good I mean it's hard to because she's had 506 00:22:03,984 --> 00:22:05,704 Speaker 1: to go to some press events and she hasn't talked 507 00:22:05,704 --> 00:22:08,144 Speaker 1: about it obviously, but you can see as she's walking 508 00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:10,344 Speaker 1: into events and she's in a Christmas outfit and she's 509 00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:12,304 Speaker 1: trying to like do promo for this special that people 510 00:22:12,344 --> 00:22:14,344 Speaker 1: are screaming out to her like what about Barry all 511 00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:16,584 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But I don't think there's like 512 00:22:16,624 --> 00:22:19,664 Speaker 1: a good time really to you know, have something like 513 00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:22,664 Speaker 1: this come out. And now also she always has paparazzi 514 00:22:22,664 --> 00:22:24,864 Speaker 1: following her, but now all the photos are like with 515 00:22:24,944 --> 00:22:28,104 Speaker 1: headlines saying Sabrina steps out for the first time since 516 00:22:28,144 --> 00:22:30,664 Speaker 1: Barry Kugan cheating scandal. 517 00:22:30,224 --> 00:22:31,824 Speaker 2: And hate to be a celebrity. 518 00:22:33,184 --> 00:22:34,984 Speaker 1: That sounds not great. I need to make headlines like 519 00:22:35,064 --> 00:22:37,424 Speaker 1: that about me, about you? Will you cheat with a 520 00:22:37,464 --> 00:22:39,504 Speaker 1: famous actor from our hospital bed? And then we'll talk 521 00:22:39,504 --> 00:22:40,304 Speaker 1: about this all right. 522 00:22:40,664 --> 00:22:43,024 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 523 00:22:43,264 --> 00:22:46,264 Speaker 2: While you're here, you should listen to our very sexy 524 00:22:46,384 --> 00:22:48,984 Speaker 2: Christmas Movies episode if you have time this week. We 525 00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:51,104 Speaker 2: will put a link to that in our show notes, 526 00:22:51,344 --> 00:22:52,864 Speaker 2: or you can just scroll back in your feed and 527 00:22:52,864 --> 00:22:54,864 Speaker 2: listen to any other episode that you think you've missed 528 00:22:54,904 --> 00:22:57,584 Speaker 2: out on. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with 529 00:22:57,624 --> 00:23:00,024 Speaker 2: audio production by Scott Stronik, and we will be back 530 00:23:00,064 --> 00:23:02,544 Speaker 2: here in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 531 00:23:02,664 --> 00:23:04,984 Speaker 1: Bye bye bye, by 532 00:23:10,424 --> 00:23:11,344 Speaker 2: Hell Up, Hellup.