1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:15,385 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,425 --> 00:00:18,545 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:22,225 Speaker 1: recorded on you bees. This show is all about boosting 4 00:00:22,265 --> 00:00:26,265 Speaker 1: your confidence, whether it's your skin, your beauty routine, or 5 00:00:26,345 --> 00:00:29,505 Speaker 1: how you feel in your clothes. That's why today I'm 6 00:00:29,545 --> 00:00:32,865 Speaker 1: dropping a special episode of Nothing to Wear into the feed. 7 00:00:33,345 --> 00:00:35,465 Speaker 1: We're going to break down why some looks make you 8 00:00:35,545 --> 00:00:38,465 Speaker 1: feel a little bit mah and sharing simple tips to 9 00:00:38,465 --> 00:00:42,825 Speaker 1: transform frumpty looks into chic elevated ensembles. So have a listen. 10 00:00:45,065 --> 00:00:47,865 Speaker 2: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously. 11 00:00:47,425 --> 00:00:51,865 Speaker 1: Disturved laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have 12 00:00:51,945 --> 00:00:52,465 Speaker 1: to do it. 13 00:00:52,505 --> 00:00:53,745 Speaker 2: You live for fashion. 14 00:00:55,545 --> 00:00:58,345 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 15 00:00:58,385 --> 00:01:02,385 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 16 00:01:02,425 --> 00:01:05,105 Speaker 1: and every week I talk to an expert who helps 17 00:01:05,185 --> 00:01:06,905 Speaker 1: us work out how to get more out of the 18 00:01:06,905 --> 00:01:09,665 Speaker 1: clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is 19 00:01:09,865 --> 00:01:13,465 Speaker 1: and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Some mornings, I 20 00:01:13,545 --> 00:01:15,705 Speaker 1: wake up and I put on an outfit and it's 21 00:01:15,945 --> 00:01:18,825 Speaker 1: just not right. It might be sitting with it could 22 00:01:18,865 --> 00:01:21,465 Speaker 1: be the color combo that I haven't got quite right 23 00:01:21,585 --> 00:01:23,985 Speaker 1: might be washing me out and it just makes me 24 00:01:24,105 --> 00:01:28,905 Speaker 1: feel well frumpy. So on today's episode, we are going 25 00:01:28,945 --> 00:01:31,905 Speaker 1: to figure out if frumpy is a state of mind 26 00:01:32,305 --> 00:01:35,505 Speaker 1: or are there actual materials, cuts, and colors that will 27 00:01:35,545 --> 00:01:38,985 Speaker 1: always appear Frompy joining me to help us feel the 28 00:01:38,985 --> 00:01:41,265 Speaker 1: best in our clothes. I have one of my favorite 29 00:01:41,305 --> 00:01:45,705 Speaker 1: guests returning, nicolebonnithon Hinds. Okay, Nicole, Before we get into 30 00:01:45,865 --> 00:01:49,265 Speaker 1: defrumping our lives, I want to ask you another generic, 31 00:01:49,545 --> 00:01:55,105 Speaker 1: random fashion question. What's the trend besides wide leg pants 32 00:01:55,945 --> 00:01:58,825 Speaker 1: that you are or were obsessed with. It could be 33 00:01:58,905 --> 00:02:02,625 Speaker 1: at one point and maybe you feel nostalda about it, 34 00:02:02,665 --> 00:02:04,345 Speaker 1: maybe you feel yuck like, is there a trend that 35 00:02:04,505 --> 00:02:06,225 Speaker 1: just sticks in your mind? Because I know you love 36 00:02:06,225 --> 00:02:09,305 Speaker 1: wide leg pants? Now, what were you a fan of 37 00:02:09,785 --> 00:02:11,785 Speaker 1: in the day, Back in the day, or have you 38 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,585 Speaker 1: always been a wide leg pant and a T shirt. 39 00:02:13,865 --> 00:02:16,545 Speaker 3: I've always been a suit person, I think. But if 40 00:02:16,585 --> 00:02:18,625 Speaker 3: we want to go back back back to pre children, 41 00:02:18,945 --> 00:02:19,585 Speaker 3: maybe I used to. 42 00:02:19,545 --> 00:02:22,425 Speaker 2: Wear a lot of a liar. Oh wow, before I 43 00:02:22,505 --> 00:02:24,345 Speaker 2: had children, I had my disposable link. 44 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:27,225 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, who can afford that now, Well, 45 00:02:27,265 --> 00:02:29,185 Speaker 1: he was a relatively unknown you know, because I was 46 00:02:29,225 --> 00:02:32,025 Speaker 1: on the fashion pulse back then. Yes, and that would 47 00:02:32,065 --> 00:02:34,905 Speaker 1: have been because there's been a liar reference in Clueless, 48 00:02:35,385 --> 00:02:37,825 Speaker 1: the movie. I don't know, yes, And she's like, I'm 49 00:02:37,865 --> 00:02:38,585 Speaker 1: wearing a liar. 50 00:02:38,905 --> 00:02:40,865 Speaker 2: Oh no, you don't understand. 51 00:02:40,985 --> 00:02:45,025 Speaker 1: This isn't a liar. I don't know what. It's like 52 00:02:45,105 --> 00:02:48,665 Speaker 1: a totally important designer. And then that's how I knew 53 00:02:48,705 --> 00:02:49,025 Speaker 1: a liar. 54 00:02:49,185 --> 00:02:53,505 Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, I knew of him before anyone really. Well, 55 00:02:53,585 --> 00:02:55,225 Speaker 3: obviously somebody did because someone. 56 00:02:55,145 --> 00:02:57,465 Speaker 1: Was buying it. But have you kept those items? 57 00:02:57,665 --> 00:03:00,585 Speaker 3: I kind of have, but I thought I'm never going 58 00:03:00,625 --> 00:03:02,385 Speaker 3: to be able to wear them again because they're super fitted. 59 00:03:02,425 --> 00:03:03,745 Speaker 1: So but it's like a little archive. 60 00:03:04,225 --> 00:03:06,265 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've given them a couple to a friend of 61 00:03:06,305 --> 00:03:08,065 Speaker 3: mine who's got like a resale site. 62 00:03:08,345 --> 00:03:11,625 Speaker 2: Great, and folks she most of them, who. 63 00:03:11,625 --> 00:03:13,465 Speaker 1: Cares because the money's back in to buy more. 64 00:03:13,905 --> 00:03:16,665 Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty minimal competitor, but you just it's silly 65 00:03:16,705 --> 00:03:17,425 Speaker 3: sitting in a box. 66 00:03:17,625 --> 00:03:20,825 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not wearing it and let someone else love it. Now. 67 00:03:20,905 --> 00:03:24,425 Speaker 1: Today we're defrumping our wardrobes. But let's start with what 68 00:03:24,785 --> 00:03:28,505 Speaker 1: Frumpy is. I don't think frumpy is technically classified as 69 00:03:28,545 --> 00:03:30,865 Speaker 1: a feeling like sad and happy, but it's not a 70 00:03:30,945 --> 00:03:33,385 Speaker 1: nice way to feel. So do you ever have clients 71 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:35,985 Speaker 1: saying to you, I feel frumpy or how can you 72 00:03:36,105 --> 00:03:38,785 Speaker 1: sum up what frumpy means in regards to our wardrobe? 73 00:03:38,905 --> 00:03:41,945 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily have clientsy so they're frumpy. They just 74 00:03:42,145 --> 00:03:44,585 Speaker 3: aren't happy with the way their wardrobes are looking. But 75 00:03:44,865 --> 00:03:47,465 Speaker 3: you know, it's often wearing things that should have been 76 00:03:47,465 --> 00:03:49,185 Speaker 3: put out to pass you quite a long time ago, 77 00:03:49,545 --> 00:03:51,825 Speaker 3: you know, stuff that they looked amazing in in nineteen 78 00:03:51,905 --> 00:03:54,105 Speaker 3: ninety three and they're still flogging them. 79 00:03:54,265 --> 00:03:56,305 Speaker 2: Yes, and they really should retire them. 80 00:03:56,225 --> 00:03:58,465 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the clothes have changed or they have changed 81 00:03:58,545 --> 00:03:59,705 Speaker 1: or both both. Yeah. 82 00:03:59,745 --> 00:04:02,305 Speaker 2: But you know there's things dead giveaways like a shoulder line. 83 00:04:02,345 --> 00:04:04,625 Speaker 3: There's very much of an era, right, or a certain 84 00:04:04,705 --> 00:04:06,705 Speaker 3: length of a jacket or a certain length of a 85 00:04:06,785 --> 00:04:08,625 Speaker 3: skirt or a dress or whatever it is that just 86 00:04:08,705 --> 00:04:11,945 Speaker 3: those details and not no longer fashionable, and they do 87 00:04:12,225 --> 00:04:13,665 Speaker 3: make a person look frumpy. 88 00:04:13,625 --> 00:04:15,865 Speaker 1: For me, I mean, I do think it's life stages. 89 00:04:16,505 --> 00:04:18,745 Speaker 1: Mia from Mum and Me often talks about going through 90 00:04:18,825 --> 00:04:21,865 Speaker 1: perimenopause and that made her feel frumpy and affected. The 91 00:04:21,905 --> 00:04:24,785 Speaker 1: way she felt about her clothes postpartum for me was 92 00:04:24,825 --> 00:04:26,545 Speaker 1: definitely at time, and I think a lot of new 93 00:04:26,625 --> 00:04:29,385 Speaker 1: mums feel that. Even when my dad passed, I went 94 00:04:29,425 --> 00:04:32,865 Speaker 1: into a fashion slump because I just couldn't be bothered 95 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:36,385 Speaker 1: and so the way I felt inside kind of reflected outside. 96 00:04:37,345 --> 00:04:40,425 Speaker 1: So how do we kind of go right? Maybe it's 97 00:04:40,465 --> 00:04:42,705 Speaker 1: my life stage, Mia says, you know, her waist is 98 00:04:42,785 --> 00:04:45,705 Speaker 1: not what it was before. So is that when we 99 00:04:45,745 --> 00:04:47,785 Speaker 1: should maybe defrontpower wardrobe and go shopping. 100 00:04:47,945 --> 00:04:49,425 Speaker 3: I think it's just when you get into a bit 101 00:04:49,465 --> 00:04:50,905 Speaker 3: of a style, right, And I think a lot of 102 00:04:50,945 --> 00:04:52,985 Speaker 3: women don't have the confidence to go shopping as well, 103 00:04:53,225 --> 00:04:55,025 Speaker 3: especially if they hit a certain point in their life 104 00:04:55,105 --> 00:04:58,265 Speaker 3: and they lose their confidence in you know, not just 105 00:04:58,545 --> 00:05:00,985 Speaker 3: what they're wearing, but maybe in other aspects of their lives, 106 00:05:01,025 --> 00:05:03,665 Speaker 3: and they don't trust themselves to go shopping and they 107 00:05:03,785 --> 00:05:05,945 Speaker 3: just keep wearing the same stuff they've always worn. But 108 00:05:06,065 --> 00:05:09,025 Speaker 3: they know it's not working for them. They're not necessarily 109 00:05:09,065 --> 00:05:11,265 Speaker 3: able to att that. They just don't feel great. 110 00:05:11,385 --> 00:05:13,425 Speaker 1: And that's where you help. In a previous episode, you 111 00:05:13,465 --> 00:05:15,865 Speaker 1: said when you take clients shopping and they try something 112 00:05:15,945 --> 00:05:18,825 Speaker 1: on your phrases we can do better aka what they've 113 00:05:18,865 --> 00:05:21,265 Speaker 1: tried on isn't working. I wish we could all take 114 00:05:21,345 --> 00:05:23,945 Speaker 1: you shopping. But should we take a friend? How do 115 00:05:24,065 --> 00:05:25,785 Speaker 1: we know we could do better? Yeah? 116 00:05:25,825 --> 00:05:28,425 Speaker 3: Maybe taking a friend. I mean it's I don't know 117 00:05:28,545 --> 00:05:31,425 Speaker 3: that I trust the shopkeeper because they clearly have an agenda. 118 00:05:32,185 --> 00:05:32,345 Speaker 1: Yeah. 119 00:05:32,425 --> 00:05:35,585 Speaker 2: Maybe taking a friend who you trust, whose style you 120 00:05:35,745 --> 00:05:36,385 Speaker 2: might trust. 121 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:38,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, that can be honest with you to a degree. 122 00:05:38,905 --> 00:05:40,665 Speaker 1: If you are insecure you don't want. 123 00:05:40,705 --> 00:05:44,025 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously I'm probably not the 124 00:05:44,145 --> 00:05:45,865 Speaker 3: cheapest stylist in the world, but I think a lot 125 00:05:45,905 --> 00:05:48,145 Speaker 3: of shopping centers do have stylists who work for them, 126 00:05:48,225 --> 00:05:49,665 Speaker 3: and I think that it's a free service. 127 00:05:49,905 --> 00:05:51,665 Speaker 1: Yeah, fabulous. I never thought of that. 128 00:05:51,905 --> 00:05:54,585 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's worth reaching out. I think David 129 00:05:54,625 --> 00:05:57,665 Speaker 3: Jones do that is Yeah. I think the department stores too. 130 00:05:58,025 --> 00:05:59,505 Speaker 2: They need to look in the mirror and feel good. 131 00:05:59,585 --> 00:06:01,745 Speaker 3: I think if someone's standing there and saying you look 132 00:06:01,825 --> 00:06:03,545 Speaker 3: really good, you look really good, and you're. 133 00:06:03,425 --> 00:06:05,985 Speaker 2: Not feeling it, then puts me off more. 134 00:06:06,105 --> 00:06:09,185 Speaker 3: No, And I think too, you know, sometimes I say 135 00:06:09,305 --> 00:06:10,945 Speaker 3: this looks great on un it's a shape they're not 136 00:06:11,105 --> 00:06:14,625 Speaker 3: used to wearing and they really feel uncomfortable. I say 137 00:06:14,705 --> 00:06:16,905 Speaker 3: to them, I think you look great, but if you're 138 00:06:16,985 --> 00:06:18,425 Speaker 3: not feeling it, you're not going to wear. 139 00:06:18,345 --> 00:06:19,745 Speaker 2: It, so just take it off. 140 00:06:19,825 --> 00:06:22,545 Speaker 1: That is so important, isn't it, Because it's about pushing 141 00:06:22,585 --> 00:06:25,105 Speaker 1: yourself out of your comfort zone and trying things that 142 00:06:25,145 --> 00:06:27,065 Speaker 1: are different to what's in your wardrobe. It's making you 143 00:06:27,105 --> 00:06:28,945 Speaker 1: feel frunt you but if you don't feel good, you 144 00:06:29,025 --> 00:06:30,265 Speaker 1: will not put that on in the morning. 145 00:06:30,385 --> 00:06:31,705 Speaker 2: No, No, that said, I have a. 146 00:06:31,745 --> 00:06:33,745 Speaker 3: Few clients you've gone, I got to regret I didn't 147 00:06:33,785 --> 00:06:35,585 Speaker 3: keep that thing that you said. Now they've sold out 148 00:06:35,625 --> 00:06:37,345 Speaker 3: and I've changed my mind about them and whatever. 149 00:06:37,465 --> 00:06:40,585 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's it. That's why they should listen to you. Now, 150 00:06:40,785 --> 00:06:42,985 Speaker 1: we went through this wonderful thing called Lockdown and all 151 00:06:43,025 --> 00:06:46,305 Speaker 1: that COVID jazz, and we work from home a lot. 152 00:06:46,385 --> 00:06:48,945 Speaker 1: We're in tracksuits a lot. Do you think we've got 153 00:06:49,025 --> 00:06:53,025 Speaker 1: to hangover from that or do you think that we've 154 00:06:53,145 --> 00:06:56,505 Speaker 1: come out of COVID physically, out of lockdown and embraced 155 00:06:56,545 --> 00:06:58,345 Speaker 1: fashion or have we just gone, oh, that's right, we 156 00:06:58,425 --> 00:06:59,265 Speaker 1: were in our comfies. 157 00:07:00,425 --> 00:07:02,825 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have really enjoyed being comfortable. 158 00:07:03,145 --> 00:07:05,465 Speaker 3: But I also think people want to sort of start 159 00:07:05,705 --> 00:07:09,985 Speaker 3: trying again, you know, because we all know feels great 160 00:07:10,065 --> 00:07:12,785 Speaker 3: to wear something that is a bit special, and it 161 00:07:12,905 --> 00:07:15,025 Speaker 3: does sometimes just take you out of a bit of 162 00:07:15,065 --> 00:07:18,265 Speaker 3: a mindset, or you know, if you're feeling bad about 163 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:21,305 Speaker 3: your life or how you present or whatever. It's sort 164 00:07:21,345 --> 00:07:23,105 Speaker 3: of nice to make a bit more of an effort. 165 00:07:23,825 --> 00:07:25,585 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people do kind of just 166 00:07:25,745 --> 00:07:27,785 Speaker 3: fake it till you make it, like, just get dolled 167 00:07:27,865 --> 00:07:30,225 Speaker 3: up anyway and see what happens. Yeah, but it is 168 00:07:30,345 --> 00:07:32,905 Speaker 3: obviously tempting to be comfortable, I know. Well the thing 169 00:07:33,025 --> 00:07:35,745 Speaker 3: for me, I was postpartum in COVID lockdown. So then 170 00:07:35,785 --> 00:07:38,065 Speaker 3: I came out and I was like, right, comfort is 171 00:07:38,145 --> 00:07:40,025 Speaker 3: now non negotiable for me because I'm a mum and 172 00:07:40,065 --> 00:07:42,265 Speaker 3: I've been used to it for years. But I also 173 00:07:42,425 --> 00:07:44,345 Speaker 3: want to be stylish. And that's for the first time 174 00:07:44,385 --> 00:07:46,425 Speaker 3: I realized they can be one in the same. Whereas 175 00:07:46,425 --> 00:07:51,025 Speaker 3: before I used to be stylish, maybe uncomfortable, a heel, fancy, 176 00:07:51,185 --> 00:07:54,185 Speaker 3: and then there was comfort, which was like slob leggings, whatever. 177 00:07:54,305 --> 00:07:56,625 Speaker 3: And then I've kind of worked out and it's hard 178 00:07:56,705 --> 00:08:00,145 Speaker 3: to fuse the two comfort and style, and I'm like Oh, 179 00:08:00,865 --> 00:08:02,825 Speaker 3: it can be done, and I don't feel from p 180 00:08:03,145 --> 00:08:04,745 Speaker 3: I mean there are certain things that are just super 181 00:08:04,825 --> 00:08:06,785 Speaker 3: uncomfortable to where like I don't think I could wear 182 00:08:06,785 --> 00:08:07,905 Speaker 3: a pencil skirt again. 183 00:08:07,745 --> 00:08:10,465 Speaker 1: For example, even underwhy brass, I don't do that. 184 00:08:10,785 --> 00:08:13,785 Speaker 2: I need those five kids. 185 00:08:14,425 --> 00:08:14,865 Speaker 4: I love it. 186 00:08:15,385 --> 00:08:16,185 Speaker 2: No, but it's true. 187 00:08:16,225 --> 00:08:18,665 Speaker 1: I think comfort is so important to many people. But 188 00:08:19,225 --> 00:08:21,185 Speaker 1: that can lead you down the fronty path if you're 189 00:08:21,225 --> 00:08:24,105 Speaker 1: not conscious of choosing the right things that are comfortable. 190 00:08:24,305 --> 00:08:25,185 Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. 191 00:08:25,465 --> 00:08:27,345 Speaker 1: When you're working with your clients, what are some of 192 00:08:27,385 --> 00:08:31,145 Speaker 1: your most frequently ask questions to elevate their style in 193 00:08:31,305 --> 00:08:33,145 Speaker 1: terms of not being frumpy. 194 00:08:33,385 --> 00:08:36,385 Speaker 2: I don't know if they know. They just say and 195 00:08:36,505 --> 00:08:36,945 Speaker 2: look better. 196 00:08:37,185 --> 00:08:38,385 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't know what to ask. 197 00:08:38,425 --> 00:08:40,105 Speaker 2: You're there, Yeah they don't. 198 00:08:40,465 --> 00:08:43,425 Speaker 3: Sometimes I say, I need you know something for I'm 199 00:08:43,465 --> 00:08:45,265 Speaker 3: traveling a lot and I need something I can wear 200 00:08:45,305 --> 00:08:47,505 Speaker 3: the meetings on the plane or whatever. And then obviously 201 00:08:47,785 --> 00:08:50,985 Speaker 3: what you're looking for is things don't increase or you know, 202 00:08:51,225 --> 00:08:53,985 Speaker 3: things that are going to make them, not make them 203 00:08:54,065 --> 00:08:55,985 Speaker 3: look powerful, but make them feel confident. 204 00:08:56,185 --> 00:08:58,345 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because when you look good, you feel better. 205 00:08:58,385 --> 00:09:00,905 Speaker 1: And then yeah, kill it. Yeah that's interesting. I guess 206 00:09:00,905 --> 00:09:02,745 Speaker 1: they come to you not knowing what the problem is, 207 00:09:03,145 --> 00:09:05,545 Speaker 1: so they can't articulate it, and that's what you're there for. 208 00:09:05,985 --> 00:09:07,625 Speaker 3: And then some of them just say, look, I haven't 209 00:09:07,625 --> 00:09:09,345 Speaker 3: been shopping in five years or whatever. It is a 210 00:09:09,385 --> 00:09:12,265 Speaker 3: lot of people actually just starting I mean, how many 211 00:09:12,345 --> 00:09:13,225 Speaker 3: years since COVID. 212 00:09:13,265 --> 00:09:15,825 Speaker 2: I kind of keep track, but we finally got right. 213 00:09:15,865 --> 00:09:16,785 Speaker 1: I've got to go and get stuff. 214 00:09:16,985 --> 00:09:17,985 Speaker 2: I need to get new things. 215 00:09:18,185 --> 00:09:18,385 Speaker 1: Yeah. 216 00:09:18,505 --> 00:09:18,705 Speaker 2: Yeah. 217 00:09:19,065 --> 00:09:20,745 Speaker 1: And when your clients come to you for that, is 218 00:09:20,825 --> 00:09:23,785 Speaker 1: it oftentimes for work? Where is it a venting? Is 219 00:09:23,825 --> 00:09:26,185 Speaker 1: it just redo my whole wardrobe? It's a bit of 220 00:09:26,225 --> 00:09:26,905 Speaker 1: a mixture of both. 221 00:09:26,985 --> 00:09:29,545 Speaker 3: Most of them think they've got their weekends sorta okay, 222 00:09:29,785 --> 00:09:32,745 Speaker 3: not necessarily though. One girl wanted me to take her 223 00:09:32,785 --> 00:09:34,705 Speaker 3: weekend shopping like she felt like she had a work 224 00:09:34,705 --> 00:09:36,665 Speaker 3: wardrobe sorted all fun, so that was. 225 00:09:36,705 --> 00:09:37,185 Speaker 2: Kind of fun. 226 00:09:37,505 --> 00:09:41,145 Speaker 3: But usually it's more specific, like it's a work thing 227 00:09:41,265 --> 00:09:42,025 Speaker 3: or I've got a function. 228 00:09:42,385 --> 00:09:42,585 Speaker 2: Yeah. 229 00:09:42,865 --> 00:09:45,145 Speaker 1: When it comes to being frumpy, oftentimes we hear from 230 00:09:45,185 --> 00:09:47,185 Speaker 1: women saying they want to cover up. They might want 231 00:09:47,185 --> 00:09:48,945 Speaker 1: to cover their arms, they might want to cover the 232 00:09:48,985 --> 00:09:51,785 Speaker 1: top of their legs or their ankles because it's a 233 00:09:51,865 --> 00:09:54,025 Speaker 1: body part or a body shape that makes them feel 234 00:09:54,065 --> 00:09:55,905 Speaker 1: frumpyre how do you help those clients? 235 00:09:56,225 --> 00:09:58,745 Speaker 3: Well, I always take into account what their body shape is, 236 00:09:59,145 --> 00:10:01,825 Speaker 3: and there are certain styles that certain bodies and I 237 00:10:01,905 --> 00:10:04,585 Speaker 3: think if you can somehow or other move the attention 238 00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:08,385 Speaker 3: away from whatever that area is or cover it. For example, 239 00:10:08,385 --> 00:10:10,185 Speaker 3: if it's they don't like the rapper m then you're 240 00:10:10,225 --> 00:10:13,345 Speaker 3: obviously not looking at sleepless or a print that might 241 00:10:13,505 --> 00:10:16,145 Speaker 3: mask whatever the thing is that they don't like. 242 00:10:16,385 --> 00:10:18,465 Speaker 1: Okay, And do you find some people that feel frumpy 243 00:10:18,505 --> 00:10:21,025 Speaker 1: when it comes to body parts of body shapes will 244 00:10:21,385 --> 00:10:25,185 Speaker 1: steer towards oversized because they think that's hiding them, but 245 00:10:25,265 --> 00:10:27,385 Speaker 1: it might not be doing anything for them. Or do 246 00:10:27,505 --> 00:10:28,785 Speaker 1: they just not know what to do? 247 00:10:28,945 --> 00:10:30,665 Speaker 3: They just don't know what to do, Like a lot 248 00:10:30,705 --> 00:10:32,705 Speaker 3: of the women I work with her in the business world, 249 00:10:32,745 --> 00:10:35,665 Speaker 3: and they're amazing at numbers and that sort of stuff, 250 00:10:35,665 --> 00:10:37,105 Speaker 3: and they're kind of used to outsourcing. 251 00:10:37,185 --> 00:10:38,545 Speaker 2: You know, they've got lawyers in you handle. 252 00:10:38,385 --> 00:10:40,825 Speaker 3: Their legal stuff, and they've got other people that do 253 00:10:40,905 --> 00:10:43,425 Speaker 3: other things, so they're kind of okay without sourcing. 254 00:10:43,745 --> 00:10:45,625 Speaker 2: The other issue they don't know how to handle, which. 255 00:10:45,505 --> 00:10:47,985 Speaker 1: Is close to fun for you. And do people always 256 00:10:48,025 --> 00:10:48,825 Speaker 1: listen to you no. 257 00:10:50,425 --> 00:10:51,065 Speaker 2: What happens. 258 00:10:51,065 --> 00:10:54,265 Speaker 1: If they don't, how what's the diplomatic process there? I mean, 259 00:10:54,305 --> 00:10:56,425 Speaker 1: it's their money and their body, right, Yeah, and I 260 00:10:56,545 --> 00:10:57,025 Speaker 1: do say that. 261 00:10:57,225 --> 00:10:59,145 Speaker 3: I kind of sometimes I say, don't listen to me, 262 00:10:59,545 --> 00:11:03,185 Speaker 3: but I think black and again, if they're not feeling it, 263 00:11:03,225 --> 00:11:04,905 Speaker 3: they're not feeling it. And I'm not going to force 264 00:11:04,945 --> 00:11:06,665 Speaker 3: the hand. I keep saying, you know, this is your life, 265 00:11:06,745 --> 00:11:09,745 Speaker 3: not mine. So I'm telling you from my perspective of 266 00:11:10,105 --> 00:11:11,785 Speaker 3: what I think works for you, and you can either 267 00:11:11,985 --> 00:11:13,985 Speaker 3: agree or disagree, and if you disagree, you're not going 268 00:11:14,025 --> 00:11:15,225 Speaker 3: to wear it, So don't spend the money. 269 00:11:24,225 --> 00:11:26,025 Speaker 1: So there's a bit of a theory. We're calling it 270 00:11:26,105 --> 00:11:30,625 Speaker 1: the front meter by these four signs fit, texture, color, 271 00:11:31,065 --> 00:11:36,185 Speaker 1: and color contrast. Interesting So those elements could you make 272 00:11:36,225 --> 00:11:40,865 Speaker 1: you feel frumpy? Or changing them could d frump you? Texture? 273 00:11:40,985 --> 00:11:44,665 Speaker 1: You're a huge fabric nerd. I mean that in the 274 00:11:44,785 --> 00:11:48,705 Speaker 1: kindest way. So texture of fabrics can make you feel frumpy. 275 00:11:48,825 --> 00:11:50,625 Speaker 3: Do you think I think there's a you know, there's 276 00:11:50,665 --> 00:11:54,425 Speaker 3: a sort of boot cley tweety Chanell esque type of jacket. 277 00:11:54,945 --> 00:11:57,025 Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like that can make women look quite 278 00:11:57,065 --> 00:11:58,145 Speaker 3: from because it's quite bulky. 279 00:11:58,265 --> 00:12:00,945 Speaker 1: Agreed, great for a couch, not for a jacket. 280 00:12:01,625 --> 00:12:05,265 Speaker 3: But the croped Chanell esque boot cley jacket. Yes, with 281 00:12:05,385 --> 00:12:08,145 Speaker 3: a pair of cool seventies kind of jeans and a 282 00:12:08,345 --> 00:12:09,505 Speaker 3: flat ballet something. 283 00:12:09,705 --> 00:12:13,225 Speaker 2: It's made a whole outfit and great, it looks great. 284 00:12:13,305 --> 00:12:16,665 Speaker 3: But if you chuck that jacket on with a above 285 00:12:16,705 --> 00:12:19,185 Speaker 3: the knee pencil skirt, that's going to look stuper dowdy. 286 00:12:19,465 --> 00:12:23,345 Speaker 1: Yeah, dowdy is a good word for the same, I 287 00:12:23,425 --> 00:12:25,985 Speaker 1: think so yeah. And it is a feeling. I think, 288 00:12:26,105 --> 00:12:28,385 Speaker 1: like you say, it's not particularly the item. It might 289 00:12:28,465 --> 00:12:30,185 Speaker 1: just be that it's no longer for you. It's not 290 00:12:30,265 --> 00:12:32,985 Speaker 1: for your shape, it was never your personal style. And 291 00:12:33,025 --> 00:12:34,385 Speaker 1: if you don't feel good in it, you're not going 292 00:12:34,465 --> 00:12:36,065 Speaker 1: to project that confidence. 293 00:12:36,265 --> 00:12:36,505 Speaker 2: Yeah. 294 00:12:36,945 --> 00:12:39,865 Speaker 1: We talked about size a bit before or fit, So 295 00:12:40,105 --> 00:12:43,945 Speaker 1: regardless of size, an item needs to fit you well 296 00:12:44,825 --> 00:12:47,625 Speaker 1: to feel good in it, right, think so yeah? Yeah? 297 00:12:47,865 --> 00:12:49,545 Speaker 1: Is that why you like wide leg pants because they're 298 00:12:49,585 --> 00:12:50,465 Speaker 1: quite easy to wear. 299 00:12:50,585 --> 00:12:52,345 Speaker 3: They're very easy to wear, and you can make your 300 00:12:52,425 --> 00:12:54,625 Speaker 3: legs look longer if you have them a bit longer 301 00:12:54,665 --> 00:12:55,305 Speaker 3: than the ground. 302 00:12:55,545 --> 00:12:55,745 Speaker 1: Yes. 303 00:12:55,905 --> 00:12:57,425 Speaker 3: I do wear a bit of a heel and it 304 00:12:57,545 --> 00:12:59,705 Speaker 3: just stretches you out a bit. Love that they make 305 00:12:59,785 --> 00:13:01,865 Speaker 3: me feel kind of powerful and glamorous. 306 00:13:01,985 --> 00:13:06,025 Speaker 1: I agree, if I wear a heel, I'm on crippled occasionally. 307 00:13:06,945 --> 00:13:09,505 Speaker 1: And then color is an interesting one when it comes 308 00:13:09,545 --> 00:13:12,305 Speaker 1: to frumpy. I mean take yellow for example. I can't 309 00:13:12,305 --> 00:13:15,065 Speaker 1: wear canary yellow, but I can wear like that chatruse 310 00:13:15,185 --> 00:13:15,465 Speaker 1: kind of. 311 00:13:15,505 --> 00:13:18,105 Speaker 2: Yes, the acidy yellow. Yeah, that's a great color. 312 00:13:18,225 --> 00:13:18,985 Speaker 1: I love that color. 313 00:13:19,025 --> 00:13:20,825 Speaker 2: My new favorite color. That looked good with your gray top. 314 00:13:20,905 --> 00:13:23,065 Speaker 1: Well, I wore a beautiful yellow one to my fortieth 315 00:13:23,105 --> 00:13:25,185 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and that kind of color, 316 00:13:25,185 --> 00:13:27,865 Speaker 1: and I loved it. So how do people work out 317 00:13:28,265 --> 00:13:30,865 Speaker 1: what colors might be doing them no favors? Is it 318 00:13:31,025 --> 00:13:32,825 Speaker 1: literally just trying it on looking in the mirror. 319 00:13:32,945 --> 00:13:33,945 Speaker 2: I think it is trying it on. 320 00:13:34,025 --> 00:13:37,465 Speaker 3: And also people make the mistake of sometimes trying colors 321 00:13:37,505 --> 00:13:40,145 Speaker 3: on without makeup. Like some colors they go, oh, this 322 00:13:40,265 --> 00:13:42,065 Speaker 3: color washes me out, and I'll you haven't got any 323 00:13:42,105 --> 00:13:43,665 Speaker 3: blush on? So yes, shoves are that. 324 00:13:43,785 --> 00:13:45,505 Speaker 2: On your face? And that's see how that color looks 325 00:13:45,545 --> 00:13:45,705 Speaker 2: on you. 326 00:13:45,905 --> 00:13:47,825 Speaker 1: It's so true because if you're shopping for a fancy 327 00:13:47,905 --> 00:13:49,985 Speaker 1: event and you go with no hair and makeup, I mean, 328 00:13:50,025 --> 00:13:51,585 Speaker 1: that's fine, but you can't get the full picture. 329 00:13:51,745 --> 00:13:52,425 Speaker 2: No you really can't. 330 00:13:52,465 --> 00:13:54,105 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it's hard to try and close the 331 00:13:54,145 --> 00:13:57,185 Speaker 3: full place may come on, take a change, SCUF. 332 00:13:57,225 --> 00:13:57,945 Speaker 2: It's always handy. 333 00:13:58,105 --> 00:13:59,505 Speaker 1: Yes, So you put that around your head and then 334 00:13:59,545 --> 00:14:01,665 Speaker 1: you try it on. Yeah, are you drawn to color? 335 00:14:02,065 --> 00:14:03,065 Speaker 2: I love color. 336 00:14:03,105 --> 00:14:06,025 Speaker 3: I love working with color, and weird color combinations are 337 00:14:06,065 --> 00:14:07,185 Speaker 3: one of my favorite things. 338 00:14:07,505 --> 00:14:08,985 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. And here I am in all 339 00:14:09,065 --> 00:14:12,025 Speaker 2: cream or cream. But that's okay, it's a no brainer. 340 00:14:12,265 --> 00:14:14,265 Speaker 2: Sometimes someone was in a bit of a rush this morning, 341 00:14:14,785 --> 00:14:16,865 Speaker 2: so yeah, all one color is easy. 342 00:14:17,105 --> 00:14:20,185 Speaker 1: Yeah, so head to toe all cream or winter. I'm 343 00:14:20,225 --> 00:14:22,505 Speaker 1: going to do all different shades of gray I'm excited for. 344 00:14:22,665 --> 00:14:22,865 Speaker 2: Yeah. 345 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:25,825 Speaker 3: No, I love gray in combination like that with a 346 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,025 Speaker 3: gray mile or whatever. Yes, I tend to do more 347 00:14:28,065 --> 00:14:30,425 Speaker 3: color in winter. Actually, do you, I'm the opposite. 348 00:14:30,585 --> 00:14:33,105 Speaker 2: Ah, No, I kind of like like a cash missweater 349 00:14:33,185 --> 00:14:36,505 Speaker 2: in a I've got this like fluoro pink cash Mis 350 00:14:36,585 --> 00:14:40,065 Speaker 2: sweater I bought and I wear that with like a 351 00:14:40,145 --> 00:14:41,145 Speaker 2: musky pink pant. 352 00:14:41,385 --> 00:14:41,545 Speaker 4: Oh. 353 00:14:41,625 --> 00:14:43,545 Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. That's very brave. 354 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:44,425 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that a lot. 355 00:14:44,465 --> 00:14:47,465 Speaker 1: That's quite advanced. No wonder you're a stylist. But back 356 00:14:47,505 --> 00:14:50,825 Speaker 1: to color and being frumpy. Yes, it's individual. It comes 357 00:14:50,865 --> 00:14:54,065 Speaker 1: down to skin tone, hair color, just what you like. 358 00:14:54,345 --> 00:14:54,505 Speaker 4: Right. 359 00:14:54,705 --> 00:14:57,905 Speaker 2: There are some daggy, dowdy colors though, which are in 360 00:14:57,985 --> 00:15:00,665 Speaker 2: your opinion. Look, it's really hard to wear torp. 361 00:15:01,385 --> 00:15:03,465 Speaker 1: Torp, and how is talk beige? 362 00:15:03,905 --> 00:15:05,345 Speaker 2: It's kind of got a bit more gray in it 363 00:15:05,425 --> 00:15:08,585 Speaker 2: than beige. Oh okay, like a grayish graysy. 364 00:15:08,985 --> 00:15:09,225 Speaker 1: Yes. 365 00:15:09,905 --> 00:15:13,025 Speaker 3: So for example, you've got an elephant gray tank on, 366 00:15:13,225 --> 00:15:15,305 Speaker 3: which looks fabulous on You've got beautiful lot of skin 367 00:15:15,585 --> 00:15:18,585 Speaker 3: and it looks great. But can you imagine a six 368 00:15:18,705 --> 00:15:20,825 Speaker 3: year old woman in a suit in that color? It 369 00:15:20,905 --> 00:15:23,665 Speaker 3: could look really dowdy, so true. Yeah, you're right with 370 00:15:23,825 --> 00:15:25,585 Speaker 3: torp as well. I think, you know, depending on your 371 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:27,905 Speaker 3: skin tone, and there's lots of different ethnicities, but my 372 00:15:28,025 --> 00:15:29,625 Speaker 3: type of skin tone in a color like that, it 373 00:15:29,625 --> 00:15:31,785 Speaker 3: almost looks like I'm wearing a band aid. Yeah, you know, 374 00:15:31,945 --> 00:15:33,865 Speaker 3: it's hard to pull off. Yeah, you can look like 375 00:15:33,945 --> 00:15:36,945 Speaker 3: I sort of, you know. Sometimes those institutional colors. Yes, 376 00:15:37,105 --> 00:15:39,825 Speaker 3: Like there's a really great brown suited close at the minute, 377 00:15:39,905 --> 00:15:42,705 Speaker 3: and I tried it on. There was a yellow shirt 378 00:15:42,745 --> 00:15:45,145 Speaker 3: sitting extra. I thought, oh, brown and yellow is nice. 379 00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:46,505 Speaker 2: Trying to look like a. 380 00:15:46,505 --> 00:15:51,465 Speaker 1: Bus driver yes, right, yeah, yeah, I get. 381 00:15:51,585 --> 00:15:54,065 Speaker 3: But there are also certain tones like sometimes you know, 382 00:15:54,265 --> 00:15:57,305 Speaker 3: really rich brown is beautiful, but that sort of washed 383 00:15:57,345 --> 00:15:59,545 Speaker 3: out brown can look agree dowdy. 384 00:15:59,585 --> 00:16:01,185 Speaker 1: And I think red's are tricky one. There can be 385 00:16:01,225 --> 00:16:03,465 Speaker 1: beautiful reds and they can be really cheap looking reds 386 00:16:03,585 --> 00:16:07,345 Speaker 1: that makes you feel dowdy or cheap or yeah, just 387 00:16:07,585 --> 00:16:08,585 Speaker 1: not me. Yeah. 388 00:16:08,705 --> 00:16:09,585 Speaker 2: Tear is another one. 389 00:16:09,985 --> 00:16:11,985 Speaker 1: Tears are really plain teal to me. Where does that 390 00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:14,945 Speaker 1: fall in the scale of green. It's kind of in 391 00:16:15,025 --> 00:16:17,985 Speaker 1: the middle, okay, but it's not aqua. No, Aqua's a 392 00:16:18,025 --> 00:16:20,425 Speaker 1: great color, okay, but green's really big at the moment 393 00:16:20,505 --> 00:16:21,865 Speaker 1: in term, but it's kind of like. 394 00:16:22,145 --> 00:16:23,905 Speaker 2: Is it a forest green green? Yeah, it's sort of 395 00:16:23,945 --> 00:16:26,025 Speaker 2: like a rich forest green, which is a good green. 396 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:28,625 Speaker 2: But that tear is not good. Tear is not good. 397 00:16:28,825 --> 00:16:31,625 Speaker 2: Again ask me in six months ago. Tear is a new. 398 00:16:31,625 --> 00:16:33,905 Speaker 1: Color, isn't it funny? And also for me, I think 399 00:16:34,025 --> 00:16:35,745 Speaker 1: it depends on the fabric as well, Like I like 400 00:16:35,825 --> 00:16:37,625 Speaker 1: a chocolate linen, a white linen, and a black linen. 401 00:16:37,705 --> 00:16:39,625 Speaker 1: If I do that kind of sandy linen, I feel 402 00:16:39,705 --> 00:16:41,905 Speaker 1: very hippie and that's not my vine and hippies and 403 00:16:41,945 --> 00:16:44,425 Speaker 1: boho is great, but if it depends the color with 404 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:47,865 Speaker 1: the cut and the yea, the linen. So when people 405 00:16:47,945 --> 00:16:50,785 Speaker 1: say to you, I want to look better, that's very broad. 406 00:16:50,865 --> 00:16:52,865 Speaker 1: How do you decipher what they mean? Because it must 407 00:16:52,905 --> 00:16:54,785 Speaker 1: be individual for each client. Yeah, it is. 408 00:16:55,105 --> 00:16:56,785 Speaker 2: So usually it's a body shaped thing. 409 00:16:57,225 --> 00:16:58,825 Speaker 3: Like a lot of the girls I work with are 410 00:16:59,105 --> 00:17:01,105 Speaker 3: remembering who they were when they were twenty five and 411 00:17:01,225 --> 00:17:04,585 Speaker 3: now they're forty five or whatever it is, and they 412 00:17:04,705 --> 00:17:06,945 Speaker 3: just know that they might still be wearing those things 413 00:17:06,985 --> 00:17:09,145 Speaker 3: and they don't look the same in them anymore. Sometimes 414 00:17:09,185 --> 00:17:12,505 Speaker 3: it's about changing their mindset, you know that that skirt 415 00:17:12,585 --> 00:17:13,665 Speaker 3: above the knee is just. 416 00:17:13,745 --> 00:17:15,865 Speaker 2: Not going to cut it for them. Yeah, like it depends. 417 00:17:15,905 --> 00:17:17,625 Speaker 3: I sometimes get them to send me photos of things 418 00:17:17,665 --> 00:17:19,665 Speaker 3: that they're in, and I can sort of see the problems. 419 00:17:20,225 --> 00:17:22,745 Speaker 3: So I will take them shopping and put them in 420 00:17:22,825 --> 00:17:24,905 Speaker 3: something that I know will be the opposite of that. 421 00:17:25,305 --> 00:17:25,425 Speaker 1: You know. 422 00:17:25,705 --> 00:17:29,505 Speaker 2: For example, let's just say they wear fitted dress and. 423 00:17:29,585 --> 00:17:31,985 Speaker 3: It's got this big bold print on it or something, 424 00:17:32,025 --> 00:17:35,185 Speaker 3: and it just looks cheap and yucky. So I might say, 425 00:17:35,305 --> 00:17:37,705 Speaker 3: let's try this dress on that's got a bit more 426 00:17:37,745 --> 00:17:39,945 Speaker 3: fluidity in it. It's a bit softer, the print's a 427 00:17:39,985 --> 00:17:42,385 Speaker 3: bit less garish, and they look in the room and 428 00:17:42,425 --> 00:17:44,825 Speaker 3: they go, oh, yeah, this looks really good. And then 429 00:17:44,865 --> 00:17:46,465 Speaker 3: they start to feel better and they get a bit 430 00:17:46,545 --> 00:17:48,825 Speaker 3: more confident that you're making the right decisions for them. 431 00:17:48,945 --> 00:17:51,025 Speaker 1: It is a confidence thing, isn't that. It's emotional. 432 00:17:51,145 --> 00:17:53,185 Speaker 2: Sometimes they just don't agree with me. 433 00:17:53,345 --> 00:17:54,865 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. It sounds 434 00:17:54,905 --> 00:17:57,225 Speaker 1: like they're mostly receptive, but when they don't agree, but 435 00:17:57,305 --> 00:17:59,745 Speaker 1: you feel so strongly that the shapes they're working with 436 00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:02,545 Speaker 1: are currently aren't working in. These new shapes are What 437 00:18:02,625 --> 00:18:03,945 Speaker 1: do you do when you get to a stalemate? 438 00:18:04,945 --> 00:18:05,705 Speaker 2: Picky battles. 439 00:18:06,825 --> 00:18:09,185 Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll just move on from that thing and then 440 00:18:09,185 --> 00:18:11,985 Speaker 3: I'll just find something that's sort of you both sort 441 00:18:11,985 --> 00:18:12,385 Speaker 3: of agree on. 442 00:18:12,705 --> 00:18:14,145 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. 443 00:18:14,225 --> 00:18:16,945 Speaker 3: But if I know the client really well and we 444 00:18:17,105 --> 00:18:20,385 Speaker 3: have a history of where I've made decisions and they've 445 00:18:20,705 --> 00:18:23,065 Speaker 3: loved it, like I've been slightly hesitant, but then they've 446 00:18:23,145 --> 00:18:25,785 Speaker 3: ended up loving it, I'll go remember the blah, yes, 447 00:18:25,985 --> 00:18:28,665 Speaker 3: trust me, let's go with this. Yeah, and then they 448 00:18:28,945 --> 00:18:31,105 Speaker 3: usually go with whatever it is that we decide on 449 00:18:31,185 --> 00:18:33,905 Speaker 3: in that moment. Like I said, picky battles, Yeah, sometimes 450 00:18:33,945 --> 00:18:35,305 Speaker 3: I just go it's going to be better if we 451 00:18:35,385 --> 00:18:36,505 Speaker 3: just drop this and move on. 452 00:18:36,705 --> 00:18:38,625 Speaker 1: And I get it, not from a fashion perspective, but 453 00:18:38,665 --> 00:18:41,145 Speaker 1: I hate change. So if someone's telling me we're changing this, 454 00:18:41,385 --> 00:18:43,905 Speaker 1: and I'm like no. But oftentimes once I've thought about 455 00:18:43,905 --> 00:18:45,945 Speaker 1: whatever change it is, give you a minute, then I'm 456 00:18:45,985 --> 00:18:47,785 Speaker 1: like Okay. So they might go back and buy that 457 00:18:47,865 --> 00:18:50,505 Speaker 1: item or order it or you know, take it home 458 00:18:50,545 --> 00:18:52,465 Speaker 1: and then not return it. Some people just need a 459 00:18:52,505 --> 00:18:52,945 Speaker 1: bit of time. 460 00:18:53,145 --> 00:18:53,385 Speaker 2: Yeah. 461 00:18:53,865 --> 00:18:57,305 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I love oversize. You love oversize. As we've 462 00:18:57,385 --> 00:19:00,665 Speaker 1: mentioned before, it's a trend when is oversized chic and 463 00:19:00,785 --> 00:19:03,545 Speaker 1: when can oversize just look frumpy or sloppy or not 464 00:19:03,705 --> 00:19:04,225 Speaker 1: thought through. 465 00:19:04,545 --> 00:19:08,185 Speaker 3: Oversized as a trend is kind of more about upper body. 466 00:19:08,265 --> 00:19:10,265 Speaker 3: I think, oh, well, you can get like a widely 467 00:19:10,425 --> 00:19:12,385 Speaker 3: pant that's quite over it's still got to fit your 468 00:19:12,385 --> 00:19:19,065 Speaker 3: wis exactly with my pants. So yeah, big blazers, big shirt. Yeah, 469 00:19:19,105 --> 00:19:21,425 Speaker 3: you kind of go an extended shoulder line for example. 470 00:19:22,025 --> 00:19:24,265 Speaker 3: But then if you were to wear let's just go 471 00:19:24,425 --> 00:19:27,545 Speaker 3: back to the sort of Chanel esque that colorless boot 472 00:19:27,545 --> 00:19:31,465 Speaker 3: clay jacket yep, that needs to be boxy but needs 473 00:19:31,505 --> 00:19:34,185 Speaker 3: to probably fit in the shoulder pretty much if you 474 00:19:34,385 --> 00:19:37,425 Speaker 3: to do that in the wrong size, it's gonna look frumpy. Yeah, 475 00:19:37,505 --> 00:19:38,665 Speaker 3: it's just not going to look cool. 476 00:19:39,185 --> 00:19:39,465 Speaker 1: Okay. 477 00:19:39,665 --> 00:19:43,065 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think having things be too big is different. 478 00:19:43,185 --> 00:19:47,665 Speaker 3: It's a different overside. Oversized is specifically made to be that. Like, Okay, 479 00:19:48,105 --> 00:19:50,385 Speaker 3: Like you could wear a men's jacket, for example, and 480 00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:53,225 Speaker 3: you'll get that same look where you've got the extended shoulder, 481 00:19:53,705 --> 00:19:55,385 Speaker 3: but then you've got the sleeves too long. 482 00:19:55,545 --> 00:19:58,625 Speaker 1: Yeah, have to alter that. My husband's quite a petite person, 483 00:19:58,705 --> 00:20:00,425 Speaker 1: like we're both quite short, and there's some blazers of 484 00:20:00,505 --> 00:20:01,865 Speaker 1: his I can look cool and then some I look 485 00:20:01,985 --> 00:20:03,945 Speaker 1: like a little girl wearing her dad's blazer. So it 486 00:20:04,145 --> 00:20:06,305 Speaker 1: is it's a fine line. Yeah, but it can look 487 00:20:06,385 --> 00:20:09,545 Speaker 1: very effortless and not frumpy. And then two oversized just 488 00:20:09,705 --> 00:20:24,225 Speaker 1: looks like it looks like that on here, silly. It's 489 00:20:24,585 --> 00:20:25,465 Speaker 1: very expensive. 490 00:20:25,985 --> 00:20:28,145 Speaker 2: How old are these five percent? 491 00:20:30,305 --> 00:20:32,945 Speaker 1: All right? Boogie and budget of non frump I mean 492 00:20:32,985 --> 00:20:36,665 Speaker 1: that's a very broad question. Would you like to go 493 00:20:36,785 --> 00:20:38,265 Speaker 1: first with your boogie or your budget? 494 00:20:38,385 --> 00:20:40,745 Speaker 2: Sure? Well, since we've been talking about the Chanelle jacket, 495 00:20:41,345 --> 00:20:45,305 Speaker 2: I think that can look so frumpy. Like, so if 496 00:20:45,345 --> 00:20:47,625 Speaker 2: you look at the Chanelle's people are gonna hate me. 497 00:20:48,305 --> 00:20:49,585 Speaker 1: You're saving people lots of money. 498 00:20:49,665 --> 00:20:51,305 Speaker 3: Ah, yes, because they're all going to whip out and 499 00:20:51,305 --> 00:20:53,985 Speaker 3: buy a Chanelle jacket. To this day, I've never afforded 500 00:20:54,025 --> 00:20:56,265 Speaker 3: one of those. I don't think I could not my jam. No, 501 00:20:56,345 --> 00:20:58,385 Speaker 3: it's not really my jam either, although to be honest, 502 00:20:58,425 --> 00:21:00,065 Speaker 3: I was on a plane once, so I'm with a digress. 503 00:21:00,145 --> 00:21:01,625 Speaker 3: Yet I was in a plane once and I've never 504 00:21:01,705 --> 00:21:04,505 Speaker 3: got the Chanell thing, Like, I just haven't really got it. 505 00:21:04,945 --> 00:21:07,225 Speaker 3: You know, you look at especially when Carl's designing it 506 00:21:07,345 --> 00:21:10,625 Speaker 3: just so frumpy. Wow, that collection is the definition. 507 00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:15,665 Speaker 1: Yes, Oh it's so nice to hear everyone from buyers, 508 00:21:15,745 --> 00:21:16,665 Speaker 1: but it's not for everyone. 509 00:21:16,905 --> 00:21:18,425 Speaker 3: But the anyway, I was on this flight and I 510 00:21:18,505 --> 00:21:21,105 Speaker 3: got upgraded, which was so exciting. Anyway, there was this 511 00:21:21,225 --> 00:21:25,345 Speaker 3: girl in my business class section and she got off 512 00:21:25,385 --> 00:21:27,185 Speaker 3: the plane slightly ahead of me, and she was wearing 513 00:21:27,225 --> 00:21:30,305 Speaker 3: one of those bootclet jackets with a pair of really cool, 514 00:21:30,505 --> 00:21:35,185 Speaker 3: slouchy worn seventies kind of jeans with the little ballet flat, 515 00:21:35,265 --> 00:21:38,025 Speaker 3: the Chanell ballet flat, and this massive, big Chanell tote. 516 00:21:38,065 --> 00:21:40,745 Speaker 3: And I thought, wow, you look fabulous. Yeah, you look 517 00:21:40,905 --> 00:21:43,465 Speaker 3: so expensive. And she has ways to do it right. Yeah, 518 00:21:43,585 --> 00:21:46,825 Speaker 3: she looked just so cool and effortless and fabulous. But 519 00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:48,985 Speaker 3: if you put that jacket on with the above the 520 00:21:49,065 --> 00:21:52,545 Speaker 3: knee skirt and thick opaque hosary as on the runway, 521 00:21:53,105 --> 00:21:55,825 Speaker 3: oh my god, that is the very definition of frumpy. 522 00:21:55,945 --> 00:21:57,225 Speaker 1: So it goes to show hats or how are you 523 00:21:57,265 --> 00:21:59,785 Speaker 1: style it? Yeah? Kind is yeah, okay great, I'm not 524 00:21:59,825 --> 00:22:03,385 Speaker 1: buying a Schnell jacket. My spending isn't too expensive, and 525 00:22:03,505 --> 00:22:05,785 Speaker 1: it is a style that I always go to because 526 00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:08,385 Speaker 1: I've mentioned before I get endometriosis and you just get 527 00:22:08,425 --> 00:22:10,545 Speaker 1: a good old big bloat when you just weren't planning 528 00:22:10,585 --> 00:22:13,625 Speaker 1: for it. It's a trenary linen relaxed shirt dress. I 529 00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:15,825 Speaker 1: think you will approve, Nicole. It's two hundred and twenty 530 00:22:16,105 --> 00:22:18,625 Speaker 1: nine dollars. I'm not that cheap. But it's just a 531 00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:22,385 Speaker 1: really classic shirt dress linen, so it can be a 532 00:22:22,425 --> 00:22:25,745 Speaker 1: bit crushy. Belt, so if you do want to sink 533 00:22:25,865 --> 00:22:27,505 Speaker 1: in your ways, give yourself some shape. Or for me, 534 00:22:27,585 --> 00:22:29,425 Speaker 1: if I'm really having an end to moment. 535 00:22:29,385 --> 00:22:35,265 Speaker 4: Pocketscket pockets, Yes, beautiful collar negotiable, really non negotiable, really timeless, 536 00:22:35,305 --> 00:22:37,505 Speaker 4: so you know under turn or fifty bucks, So that's 537 00:22:37,545 --> 00:22:40,185 Speaker 4: my probably my spendye yep, what else have you got 538 00:22:40,225 --> 00:22:40,385 Speaker 4: for me? 539 00:22:40,825 --> 00:22:45,145 Speaker 2: So I would choose a just a good sorry wide 540 00:22:45,225 --> 00:22:48,425 Speaker 2: legged jeane. Sorry sorry wide legs. 541 00:22:48,505 --> 00:22:50,105 Speaker 1: Don't be this is your vibe. 542 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:53,585 Speaker 3: But I think if you had, for example, that what 543 00:22:53,745 --> 00:22:56,105 Speaker 3: could be perceived as being a dowdy top. Yes, let's 544 00:22:56,105 --> 00:22:59,025 Speaker 3: say pussy bow blouse, which in the wrong hands could 545 00:22:59,025 --> 00:22:59,745 Speaker 3: be quite downy. 546 00:22:59,825 --> 00:23:01,865 Speaker 1: Use that high necked kind of almost like there's an 547 00:23:01,865 --> 00:23:03,105 Speaker 1: extra scarf on your shirt. 548 00:23:03,145 --> 00:23:04,585 Speaker 2: But you're tired, you're tight in a bow. 549 00:23:04,825 --> 00:23:06,825 Speaker 3: Yes, I actually think a half bow is a bit 550 00:23:06,865 --> 00:23:11,585 Speaker 3: cooler than a full bone the nuance. But if you 551 00:23:11,665 --> 00:23:15,025 Speaker 3: did that with like a boot cley above the knee skirt, 552 00:23:15,185 --> 00:23:15,905 Speaker 3: hello frumpy. 553 00:23:16,065 --> 00:23:18,185 Speaker 1: No, it looks like you're going to a period drama 554 00:23:18,345 --> 00:23:18,905 Speaker 1: show and a. 555 00:23:18,985 --> 00:23:23,065 Speaker 3: Court shoe with a stumpy heel or nasty. But if 556 00:23:23,105 --> 00:23:26,905 Speaker 3: you did that shirt with a really cool seventies vibe, 557 00:23:27,065 --> 00:23:31,625 Speaker 3: wasted denim and a great flat sandal, not. 558 00:23:31,705 --> 00:23:35,625 Speaker 1: Frumpy, not frumpy, and you like one hundred percent cotton jeans, 559 00:23:35,905 --> 00:23:38,185 Speaker 1: any brands that you recommend. 560 00:23:38,425 --> 00:23:41,265 Speaker 2: I reckon. You can get good jeans at any price point. Okay, 561 00:23:41,505 --> 00:23:43,105 Speaker 2: just look out for thecofactor. 562 00:23:43,305 --> 00:23:46,905 Speaker 3: Okay, but you know, like from Kmart to Iconic, I've 563 00:23:46,945 --> 00:23:49,345 Speaker 3: got lots of brands and it took place to look. 564 00:23:49,585 --> 00:23:53,385 Speaker 2: Nobody Denim does good denim. They're an Australian brand, even 565 00:23:53,465 --> 00:23:55,745 Speaker 2: the you know, the high Streets, the Witcheries and whatever. 566 00:23:56,265 --> 00:23:58,665 Speaker 3: They do good things. Okay, got a good wide leg gene. 567 00:23:58,665 --> 00:24:00,945 Speaker 3: Actually there's a lot of stretch in it though, which. 568 00:24:00,785 --> 00:24:01,465 Speaker 1: You're not a fan of. 569 00:24:01,785 --> 00:24:03,465 Speaker 2: No, they just lose their shapes so fast. 570 00:24:03,625 --> 00:24:05,465 Speaker 1: My I'm not going to recommend a specific one, but 571 00:24:05,585 --> 00:24:09,145 Speaker 1: my non frumpy savy would be probably from Zara given 572 00:24:09,225 --> 00:24:11,465 Speaker 1: Unicloid as a good blazer when we go into winter, 573 00:24:12,065 --> 00:24:15,865 Speaker 1: an oversized black blazer because if I'm feeling frumpy, yep, 574 00:24:16,385 --> 00:24:19,345 Speaker 1: I feel like that's classic. The oversize kind of is 575 00:24:19,465 --> 00:24:21,705 Speaker 1: forgiving in that whatever I'm feeling, it might be about 576 00:24:21,705 --> 00:24:23,945 Speaker 1: my body, and I prefer it to fall just under 577 00:24:24,025 --> 00:24:26,985 Speaker 1: the bum. I'm a short person, but anything cropped in 578 00:24:27,025 --> 00:24:29,385 Speaker 1: a blazer makes me feel frumpy yep, unless it's a 579 00:24:29,425 --> 00:24:32,465 Speaker 1: cropped crops jacket, which we're seeing, but yeah, that's an effort. 580 00:24:32,785 --> 00:24:34,785 Speaker 1: It's not warm, and we normally wear a blazer because 581 00:24:34,785 --> 00:24:36,705 Speaker 1: we want to be warm. I like the look, but 582 00:24:36,785 --> 00:24:37,785 Speaker 1: at the functionality. 583 00:24:37,985 --> 00:24:40,825 Speaker 2: No, I don't get a cropped knit yeah, yes, that 584 00:24:41,025 --> 00:24:43,305 Speaker 2: really or a one shouldered knit. No, I'm not into 585 00:24:43,345 --> 00:24:44,785 Speaker 2: the one child. We're a nit because you want to 586 00:24:44,825 --> 00:24:45,665 Speaker 2: be warm, don't. 587 00:24:47,145 --> 00:24:50,345 Speaker 1: Just a classic oversized you know, skim the bum, you know, 588 00:24:50,425 --> 00:24:52,265 Speaker 1: I can roll up the sleeves or scratch out the sleeves. 589 00:24:52,305 --> 00:24:55,225 Speaker 1: Black blazer that always makes me feel less rumpy, okay, 590 00:24:55,585 --> 00:24:57,625 Speaker 1: and pairs with a lot of things. It does, and 591 00:24:57,865 --> 00:25:00,065 Speaker 1: if I'm feeling just yuck about myself, that kind of 592 00:25:00,105 --> 00:25:01,025 Speaker 1: makes me feel put together. 593 00:25:01,225 --> 00:25:04,025 Speaker 2: Yeah good, Yeah, approved, Nicole. 594 00:25:04,185 --> 00:25:06,065 Speaker 1: Wonderful to chat, he was always. 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