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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Grace Rubray. This is Mumma MEA's daily news podcast

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Speaker 2: for The Quickie. Today marks one year since Australia voted on

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Speaker 2: the Voice to Parliament, a proposal to create a permanent

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Speaker 2: body of representatives to provide independent advice to Parliament on

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Speaker 2: laws and policies with the aim of improving outcomes for

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Speaker 2: First Nations people. The referendum failed in all six states,

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Speaker 2: with the Act being the only region to vote yes.

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Speaker 2: So where does this leave First Nations and torrest Rate

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Speaker 2: Islander peoples? How are they feeling one year on and

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Speaker 2: what steps are being taken to heal after such a

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Speaker 2: significant setback. But before we get there, here is the

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Speaker 2: latest from the Quickie newsroom for Monday October fourteenth. The

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Speaker 2: United Nations has accused Israeli tanks of breaching the gates

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Speaker 2: of its peacekeeping base in southern Lebanon. Israeli Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: Benjamin Netnah, who called for the evacuation of peacekeeping troops

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Speaker 2: from combat zones in Lebanon. The UN criticized the attacks

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Speaker 2: as violations of international humanitarian law and UN Resolutions seventeen

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Speaker 2: oh one, which mandates freedom of movement for peacekeepers. Netna

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Speaker 2: who has urged the UN to withdraw peacekeepers from Hesbela strongholds,

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Speaker 2: claiming they provide cover for Hesbela militants. The Iran backed

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Speaker 2: militant group Hesbela, which Israel has been battling on the

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Speaker 2: ground since launching an incursion at the start of this month,

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Speaker 2: denies Israel's accusation that it uses the proximity of peacekeepers

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Speaker 2: for protection. Queensland Premier Stephen Mills says he's focused on

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Speaker 2: making family life more affordable if re elected. Promising free

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Speaker 2: lunches for primary school students, Mister Miles unveiled a one

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Speaker 2: point four billion dollar commitment over four years to make

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Speaker 2: school lunch free for all state primary school students starting

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five if returned to office. Doing so

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Speaker 2: would save families and expected sixteen hundred dollars per student year.

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Speaker 2: Parents would be able to opt in for as many

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Speaker 2: to have access to the offer. Mister Miles said, depending

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Speaker 2: on the success of the program, it may be expanded

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Speaker 2: into state high schools, but the announcement was not welcomed

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Speaker 2: with fanfare by Labour's opponents, who claim the government has

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Speaker 2: simply adopted a popular minor party policy. Australian women who

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Speaker 2: have had breast cancer are a staggering fifty three times

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Speaker 2: more likely to experience relationship breakdowns. The shocking statistic is

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Speaker 2: part of Compare Club's research to uncover the true cost

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Speaker 2: of breast cancer. Head researcher Kate Brown, driven by her

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Speaker 2: own experience with breast cancer and divorce, found that twelve

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Speaker 2: point three five percent of four hundred women surveyed who

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Speaker 2: separated due to their diagnosis, while eight percent reported severe

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Speaker 2: including exhaustion, mood swings, and mental health struggles, which often

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Speaker 2: take years to recover from. Tesla's futuristic cyber Cab, unveiled

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Speaker 2: by Elon Musk, is a two seater electric vehicle designed

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Speaker 2: features a large screen to display its route and two

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Speaker 2: cup holders. Musk claims the self driving car will revolutionize transport,

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Speaker 2: allowing passengers to relax as they travel. However, experts caution

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Speaker 2: that the road to a fully autonomous future may take

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Speaker 2: longer than Tesla predicts. At the Wee Robot event in California,

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Speaker 2: Tesla showcase twenty working prototypes, with plans for production by

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, and the cars estimated to cost thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a US. That's your latest news headlines. Next,

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Speaker 2: it's been a year since the Voice to Parliament vote,

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Speaker 2: So what happens next?

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Speaker 3: I begin by acknowledging the traditional liners that land on

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Speaker 3: I commit to the Ularus Steimer Prima.

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Speaker 2: And on the twenty first of May twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi gave his acceptance speech as the

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Speaker 2: for the ULARU Statement from the Heart. The ULARU Statement

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Speaker 2: from the Heart was presented to the nation in May

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen by delegates of the first Nation's National Constitution

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Speaker 2: Convention held over four days near Ularu in Central Australia.

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Speaker 2: Within the statement was a proposal of a Voice to Parliament.

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Speaker 2: The Indigenous Voice to Parliament was to create a formal

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Speaker 2: significant debate across the country. Critics questioned its scope, structure

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Speaker 4: However, Dutton, whose campaigning against the Voice, says it's important

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Speaker 4: thing to do, but enshrining a voice in the constitution

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Speaker 4: is to visit. It will divide the country down the middle.

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Speaker 4: It will not provide the practical outcomes. It will change

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Speaker 4: the way of government to very significantly. Because of the

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Speaker 2: Proposal did not have bipartisan support, with many elected officials

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Speaker 5: This nation was founded on the Westminster system of government

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Speaker 5: after it was settled by the English. We all knowledge

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Speaker 5: there were other people at the time in this nation,

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Speaker 5: but it's been on the backbone of as people said,

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Speaker 5: came here dragged here from England and other places against

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Speaker 5: a trustees have happened. We can't change it, but we

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Speaker 2: Supporters argued it was a step towards closing the gap

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Speaker 2: with meaningful reconciliation and self determination for First Nations people. Actor,

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Speaker 2: rapper and activist Briggs, who is a prouder Yorderman, was

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Speaker 2: a driving force for the Yes campaign. And in a

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Speaker 2: already lives in no.

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Speaker 6: I just tried to diffuse a nonsense by bringing it

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Speaker 6: back to the core argument, things like we already live

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Speaker 6: and it's not working. No does not work. We're in it,

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Speaker 6: We're doing it. And they say this reference animal divide

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Speaker 2: On Saturday, the fourteenth of October, the referendum failed to pass.

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Speaker 2: For a constitutional change to succeed, it requires a double majority,

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Speaker 2: further highlighting the complexities of addressing indigenous issues through national

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Speaker 2: So how are our First Nations people feeling? One year on?

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Speaker 2: Are we any steps closer to closing the gap? Bridget

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Speaker 2: Dama is co chair of the Ularo Youth Dialogue, a

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Speaker 2: team to the ULARU Dialogue. After the failed referendum, the

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Speaker 2: and would be taking time to heal. Can you talk

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Speaker 2: me through the feeling of those first days and weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we felt absolutely devastated. We had so

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of hope for this moment and

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Speaker 1: did feel like we were questioning our place in our

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Speaker 1: I was asking myself those questions not only for me personally,

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Speaker 1: But I also think now is a good time to

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Speaker 2: So much of the No campaign so that they believed

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Speaker 1: Well, the country was already divided. I mean the fact

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Speaker 1: that was actually a really divisive campaign in the way

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Speaker 1: a lot of noise and I can totally understand that

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Speaker 1: We've seen the Federal government launch their expert panel assembled

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Speaker 1: also seen the Northern Territory's Chief Minister commit to lowering

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Speaker 1: to wanting to work with communities to come up with

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Speaker 1: that this issue disproportionately affects Aboriginal kids. And then of

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Speaker 1: course we've seen the Prime Minister backsleep on his stance

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Speaker 1: I think illustrates a clear misunderstanding of not only what

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Speaker 1: of working together in order to achieve a better future

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Speaker 1: by working with Aboriginal and Torstraight under people.

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Speaker 2: When the time was right to come back to activism,

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Speaker 2: what is the first point that you wanted to work on.

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Speaker 1: That's a hard one to answer because at the moment

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Speaker 1: why Australians actually voted no, and for me, that's when

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Speaker 1: because I think that rhetorics around that it was racism

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Speaker 1: continuing to advocate for the Ullery Statement from the heart

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Speaker 1: reforms because there's no other option. I am adamant that

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Speaker 1: The Lary statement from the Heart was and asked to Belong,

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Speaker 2: It brings me into my next question because Bridget you

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Speaker 2: makes it feel more personal to want the future generations

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Speaker 2: has becoming a mum changed your perception of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did start this journey before I became a mum,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's definitely changed the urgency of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, as you know it's still a young person.

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Speaker 1: I do this work for my son, my little sister

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Speaker 1: I think that having a family really puts everything into

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Speaker 1: in the end. And you know, we have come a

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Speaker 1: more work to be done, but that has only happened

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Speaker 2: What role do you think non Indigenous Australians can play

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Speaker 1: Non Indigenous Australia has a massive role to play. You know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're only three percent

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Speaker 1: I think we did see a lot of noise and

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Speaker 1: most Australians. I would say, do have that mentality of

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Speaker 1: It's about giving everyone a fair go and letting everyone

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Speaker 1: encourage Australians to go back read dealeruse statement, try and

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Speaker 1: understand what this is about and moving forward, come with

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Speaker 1: to be some really amazing things that come out of

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Speaker 1: the referendum, including that this conversation has started now and

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Speaker 1: it's up to Australians to take it on board. We

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Speaker 1: moving forward, this is going to be a people's movement

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Speaker 1: and we need Australians to walk alongside of us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Grace Rubray

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Speaker 2: and our senior producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by

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Speaker 2: Jacob Round