1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:24,254 Speaker 1: is recorded on. Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma 4 00:00:24,294 --> 00:00:28,614 Speaker 1: MEA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. It's National Missing 5 00:00:28,654 --> 00:00:31,854 Speaker 1: Person's Week. While we focus in these seven days on 6 00:00:32,014 --> 00:00:34,774 Speaker 1: those who were last seen many years ago, their friends 7 00:00:34,774 --> 00:00:39,014 Speaker 1: and family have been waiting desperately, sometimes for decades, seeking 8 00:00:39,054 --> 00:00:42,614 Speaker 1: that one piece of information that may halt the suffering 9 00:00:42,734 --> 00:00:46,334 Speaker 1: caused by just not knowing. Today we're going to hear 10 00:00:46,374 --> 00:00:49,254 Speaker 1: the story of one of those missing persons. But before 11 00:00:49,254 --> 00:00:51,214 Speaker 1: we reach out to see if you may hold the answers, 12 00:00:51,614 --> 00:00:54,654 Speaker 1: let's get the latest from the Quickie newsroom. Monday, August five. 13 00:00:55,334 --> 00:00:59,334 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi has denied accusations that his government 14 00:00:59,374 --> 00:01:02,614 Speaker 1: has abandoned the truth telling a treaty process. After he 15 00:01:02,654 --> 00:01:05,494 Speaker 1: addressed the Gama Festival in the Northern Territory on the weekend. 16 00:01:05,934 --> 00:01:08,934 Speaker 1: Mister Albernizi said they hadn't progressed the path to treaty 17 00:01:08,974 --> 00:01:12,374 Speaker 1: before the war to Parliament referendum and that hasn't changed, 18 00:01:12,694 --> 00:01:15,934 Speaker 1: saying instead treaty processes were taking place through the states 19 00:01:15,934 --> 00:01:18,734 Speaker 1: and territories. The Greens have accused the government of all 20 00:01:18,734 --> 00:01:22,414 Speaker 1: but abandoning the ullary statement from the Heart, Senator Derenda 21 00:01:22,454 --> 00:01:25,054 Speaker 1: Cox saying it's clear the Prime Minister is walking away 22 00:01:25,094 --> 00:01:28,734 Speaker 1: from truth and treaty. In the UK, police are struggling 23 00:01:28,774 --> 00:01:30,894 Speaker 1: to hold off a mob of far right activists who 24 00:01:30,894 --> 00:01:33,854 Speaker 1: are trying to break into a hotel housing asylum seekers, 25 00:01:34,174 --> 00:01:36,694 Speaker 1: as riots continue in the wake of a stabbing attack 26 00:01:36,734 --> 00:01:39,734 Speaker 1: against young children at a Taylor Swift themed dance class. 27 00:01:40,174 --> 00:01:43,254 Speaker 1: Ten officers were injured after rioters stormed the holiday inn 28 00:01:43,254 --> 00:01:47,134 Speaker 1: in Rotherham, anti immigration demonstrators throwing planks of wood and 29 00:01:47,174 --> 00:01:51,174 Speaker 1: spraying officers with fire extinguishers. Hotel employees and residents say 30 00:01:51,174 --> 00:01:54,654 Speaker 1: they were terrified but unharmed. Riots broke out after a 31 00:01:54,654 --> 00:01:57,494 Speaker 1: stabbing attack in the seaside town of Southport saw three 32 00:01:57,534 --> 00:02:01,294 Speaker 1: young children killed. Those writing believing in stories that circulated 33 00:02:01,334 --> 00:02:04,054 Speaker 1: in the wake of the attack that the alleged perpetrator 34 00:02:04,134 --> 00:02:06,454 Speaker 1: was an asylum seeker who wasn't born in the UK. 35 00:02:06,974 --> 00:02:10,094 Speaker 1: This has been confirmed as untrue, but the group's continue 36 00:02:10,094 --> 00:02:13,974 Speaker 1: to enact violence against those they believe are responsible and 37 00:02:14,094 --> 00:02:16,934 Speaker 1: Israeli airstrike has hit two schools and a hospital in 38 00:02:16,974 --> 00:02:20,774 Speaker 1: Gaza City, killing at least forty four Palestinians. The IDF 39 00:02:20,814 --> 00:02:24,094 Speaker 1: claiming their struck a Hamas military compound. The footage of 40 00:02:24,134 --> 00:02:27,294 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the attack circulated on social media, showing 41 00:02:27,374 --> 00:02:30,694 Speaker 1: children amongst the casualties. The strike coming as the latest 42 00:02:30,734 --> 00:02:33,974 Speaker 1: round of talks in Cairo ended without a result. Harmas 43 00:02:34,054 --> 00:02:38,054 Speaker 1: denies using civilian infrastructure for military purposes, but Israel claims 44 00:02:38,054 --> 00:02:42,374 Speaker 1: Hamas is operating within school and hospital grounds. A French 45 00:02:42,414 --> 00:02:46,174 Speaker 1: pole vaulter in Paris has seen his Instagram following explode 46 00:02:46,174 --> 00:02:49,334 Speaker 1: from five thousand to fifty thousand overnight after he went 47 00:02:49,454 --> 00:02:52,214 Speaker 1: viral for missing his jump due to his genitals knocking 48 00:02:52,294 --> 00:02:56,174 Speaker 1: the bar. Anthony Amarti said he was disappointed in his performance, 49 00:02:56,454 --> 00:02:58,934 Speaker 1: saying he was missing a little pole after crashing out 50 00:02:58,934 --> 00:03:01,334 Speaker 1: of the event, meaning he hadn't been involved in much 51 00:03:01,374 --> 00:03:03,534 Speaker 1: competition in the lead up to the Games in Paris 52 00:03:03,574 --> 00:03:06,774 Speaker 1: after suffering a groin injury. Social media was set alight 53 00:03:06,814 --> 00:03:10,174 Speaker 1: in the wake of Amariti's downstairs interrupted jump, many pointing 54 00:03:10,174 --> 00:03:12,334 Speaker 1: out the giant snake tattoo on his arm was a 55 00:03:12,374 --> 00:03:15,894 Speaker 1: fore warning, while Ossie Renee Stubbs tweeted urging him to 56 00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:18,254 Speaker 1: speak to a drag queen to get advice on how 57 00:03:18,254 --> 00:03:23,454 Speaker 1: to tuck before he jumps the pulse on Paris. Thanks 58 00:03:23,494 --> 00:03:26,934 Speaker 1: to move by Mamma Mia, the exercise app he'll actually enjoy. 59 00:03:27,134 --> 00:03:30,134 Speaker 1: The Ossies have added two more silver to the tally overnight, 60 00:03:30,174 --> 00:03:32,414 Speaker 1: with Meg Harris coming second in the Blink and Your 61 00:03:32,414 --> 00:03:35,534 Speaker 1: Miss at fifty meter freestyle, while the girls also scored 62 00:03:35,574 --> 00:03:38,134 Speaker 1: silver in the four by one hundred meter medley relay. 63 00:03:38,454 --> 00:03:41,814 Speaker 1: Novak Djokovic has finally added the only trophy he hasn't 64 00:03:41,854 --> 00:03:44,694 Speaker 1: got in his collection, taking gold in the men's singles tennis, 65 00:03:44,734 --> 00:03:47,814 Speaker 1: beating Carlos al Karaz. The Stingers have won their match 66 00:03:47,854 --> 00:03:50,494 Speaker 1: against Hungary in the water polo, putting the Aussie women 67 00:03:50,574 --> 00:03:52,374 Speaker 1: in the top of their group as they head into 68 00:03:52,374 --> 00:03:55,534 Speaker 1: the quarterfinals. In the boxing, Caitlin Parker has won her 69 00:03:55,614 --> 00:03:58,734 Speaker 1: quarter final in the women's seventy five kilos, sending her 70 00:03:58,854 --> 00:04:02,174 Speaker 1: through to the semifinals and guaranteeing her the first ever 71 00:04:02,254 --> 00:04:05,174 Speaker 1: medal in Australian women's boxing. That's what's happening in the 72 00:04:05,174 --> 00:04:08,374 Speaker 1: world today. Next, there's a mummy in Adelaide whose daughter 73 00:04:08,534 --> 00:04:12,134 Speaker 1: will always be a lie girl. This National Missing Person's Week, 74 00:04:12,494 --> 00:04:15,574 Speaker 1: I'll tell you about Rihanna, who went missing two streets 75 00:04:15,574 --> 00:04:29,574 Speaker 1: over from me in October nineteen ninety two. Growing up 76 00:04:29,614 --> 00:04:33,134 Speaker 1: in Adelaide, the specter of the missing Beaumont children hung 77 00:04:33,174 --> 00:04:36,454 Speaker 1: over the state like an impossible to reach target. By 78 00:04:36,454 --> 00:04:39,574 Speaker 1: the time I turned thirteen, Jane Arna and Grant Beaumont, 79 00:04:39,654 --> 00:04:42,414 Speaker 1: who were nine, seven and four when they were spirited 80 00:04:42,414 --> 00:04:45,414 Speaker 1: away from a beach trip in nineteen sixty six, had 81 00:04:45,454 --> 00:04:48,974 Speaker 1: already been missing for nearly thirty years. It seemed like 82 00:04:49,014 --> 00:04:51,654 Speaker 1: a thing that happened to someone else in some other time, 83 00:04:52,054 --> 00:04:54,214 Speaker 1: too far removed from the life of a teenage girl 84 00:04:54,254 --> 00:04:57,334 Speaker 1: growing up in the southern suburbs, listening to NKOTB and 85 00:04:57,454 --> 00:05:00,254 Speaker 1: watching Beverly Hills nine O two or zero. But that 86 00:05:00,254 --> 00:05:05,974 Speaker 1: would all change on October seventh, nineteen ninety two. I 87 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:09,094 Speaker 1: don't actually remember where I was that day, but all 88 00:05:09,094 --> 00:05:11,854 Speaker 1: these years later, I can tell you exactly what happened 89 00:05:11,894 --> 00:05:14,734 Speaker 1: in the suburb where I lived, just two streets over 90 00:05:14,774 --> 00:05:17,934 Speaker 1: from my childhood home. Well as much as anyone knows 91 00:05:17,934 --> 00:05:20,534 Speaker 1: about a little girl who was one minute there and 92 00:05:20,574 --> 00:05:24,134 Speaker 1: the next minute gone. The weather in South Australia had 93 00:05:24,134 --> 00:05:27,254 Speaker 1: been hectic that week. People were being airlifted to safety 94 00:05:27,294 --> 00:05:30,094 Speaker 1: after major flooding hit the Adelaide Hills. But on the 95 00:05:30,094 --> 00:05:32,854 Speaker 1: other side of the city, in the southern suburb of Morphetvale, 96 00:05:33,134 --> 00:05:36,454 Speaker 1: another family was also grouped by panic, but it had 97 00:05:36,494 --> 00:05:40,174 Speaker 1: nothing to do with rising floodwater. Twelve year old Rihanna 98 00:05:40,174 --> 00:05:44,174 Speaker 1: Burrow was missing. She'd been home alone that day, her 99 00:05:44,254 --> 00:05:45,894 Speaker 1: mum had to go to work at the nearby No 100 00:05:45,934 --> 00:05:49,294 Speaker 1: Longer Center. She was on school holidays. They'd agreed to 101 00:05:49,294 --> 00:05:51,814 Speaker 1: meet for lunch, but a bus strike put a stop 102 00:05:51,854 --> 00:05:55,294 Speaker 1: to those plans, so instead, Rihanna decided to walk to 103 00:05:55,334 --> 00:05:58,494 Speaker 1: the nearby Rinella shopping Center to buy a Christmas card 104 00:05:58,534 --> 00:06:02,654 Speaker 1: for her American pen pal. Pretty Much every kid who 105 00:06:02,654 --> 00:06:05,614 Speaker 1: grew up in that neighborhood had done that walk. It's 106 00:06:05,694 --> 00:06:07,934 Speaker 1: mostly uphill on the way there, which is a pain, 107 00:06:08,014 --> 00:06:10,814 Speaker 1: but the downhill cruise on the way back such a relief. 108 00:06:11,654 --> 00:06:14,894 Speaker 1: Kids walked between their neighborhood friends' houses or just went 109 00:06:14,934 --> 00:06:16,934 Speaker 1: out on the street to play. They headed to their 110 00:06:16,934 --> 00:06:20,334 Speaker 1: local playgrounds or hangout spots, and being school holidays, there 111 00:06:20,374 --> 00:06:23,414 Speaker 1: were plenty of them about. For us. Now, it seems 112 00:06:23,454 --> 00:06:26,654 Speaker 1: wildly early to think about buying Christmas cards in early October. 113 00:06:27,214 --> 00:06:30,734 Speaker 1: But back then international mail took weeks and weeks to arrive, 114 00:06:30,814 --> 00:06:33,174 Speaker 1: and Rihanna didn't want to risk leaving it any later. 115 00:06:33,934 --> 00:06:35,974 Speaker 1: So she set off on foot from her home on 116 00:06:36,014 --> 00:06:39,654 Speaker 1: Wakefield Avenue, walking up that steady incline of Acre Revenue 117 00:06:39,934 --> 00:06:42,534 Speaker 1: and through the grounds of Stanback Primary School to the 118 00:06:42,574 --> 00:06:45,574 Speaker 1: shopping center on the other side. Rihanna didn't go to 119 00:06:45,614 --> 00:06:47,534 Speaker 1: school there, even though it was closer to home than 120 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:51,934 Speaker 1: Ronella South, where she went. The kids from the neighborhood 121 00:06:51,934 --> 00:06:55,334 Speaker 1: would always be hanging around some lounging in concrete pipes 122 00:06:55,374 --> 00:06:58,134 Speaker 1: that would shelter them from the wet spring weather. This 123 00:06:58,534 --> 00:07:01,694 Speaker 1: was around ten thirty am. Motorists on the busy stretch 124 00:07:01,734 --> 00:07:04,774 Speaker 1: of Sheriff's Road remember seeing the schoolgirl as she walked 125 00:07:04,774 --> 00:07:09,374 Speaker 1: along the footpath wearing an iconic preteens nineteen ninety two wardrobe, 126 00:07:09,614 --> 00:07:13,014 Speaker 1: purple shorts, those slouchy socks that were very much in 127 00:07:13,054 --> 00:07:15,454 Speaker 1: fashion then only now back in stores again for the 128 00:07:15,454 --> 00:07:19,174 Speaker 1: first time in twenty twenty four, and a green hypercolor 129 00:07:19,214 --> 00:07:23,534 Speaker 1: T shirt. Now my best friend had that exact same one. 130 00:07:23,654 --> 00:07:26,014 Speaker 1: For those of you not across the hypercolor craze of 131 00:07:26,014 --> 00:07:28,894 Speaker 1: the early nineties. It was a material that changed color 132 00:07:28,934 --> 00:07:31,814 Speaker 1: when exposed to heat. Your mates would hold their hands 133 00:07:31,854 --> 00:07:34,694 Speaker 1: on various spots to make funny boob prints or spell 134 00:07:34,734 --> 00:07:36,774 Speaker 1: out swear words on your back, and it was an 135 00:07:36,774 --> 00:07:40,614 Speaker 1: ideal if you were a heavy armpit sweater. Investigators, No, 136 00:07:40,974 --> 00:07:43,854 Speaker 1: she bought a card at the news agency and there 137 00:07:43,854 --> 00:07:46,614 Speaker 1: are witnesses who saw her walking home two hours later, 138 00:07:47,174 --> 00:07:50,094 Speaker 1: but when her mum arrived back home, Rihanna wasn't there. 139 00:07:51,334 --> 00:07:54,574 Speaker 1: The front door was locked, the TV was on, and 140 00:07:54,694 --> 00:07:57,054 Speaker 1: records Rihanna had taken out to play still lay on 141 00:07:57,094 --> 00:08:00,614 Speaker 1: the floor where she'd place them. But a frantic search 142 00:08:00,654 --> 00:08:03,774 Speaker 1: of the home found no trace of twelve year old Rihanna. 143 00:08:04,414 --> 00:08:06,494 Speaker 1: There were no signs of a struggle, and with the 144 00:08:06,494 --> 00:08:09,534 Speaker 1: front door locked, police would presume that she'd either let 145 00:08:09,574 --> 00:08:12,494 Speaker 1: if the home willingly all was enticed out by someone. 146 00:08:13,094 --> 00:08:15,054 Speaker 1: Her mum and dad were separated at the time. Her 147 00:08:15,134 --> 00:08:18,014 Speaker 1: dad Leon lived in Queensland, but quickly flew back to 148 00:08:18,054 --> 00:08:19,174 Speaker 1: help search for his daughter. 149 00:08:19,494 --> 00:08:21,454 Speaker 2: The Christmas card in the news agents bag were sitting 150 00:08:21,454 --> 00:08:23,894 Speaker 2: in the center of the dining room table here and 151 00:08:23,934 --> 00:08:25,894 Speaker 2: that's basically the last we've heard of it. Well, I 152 00:08:25,894 --> 00:08:28,454 Speaker 2: would really like to have a policeman knock on our 153 00:08:28,534 --> 00:08:31,214 Speaker 2: daugh tomorrow morning and say that he's a little girl 154 00:08:31,254 --> 00:08:35,374 Speaker 2: back in one piece. But the reality of that, I think, 155 00:08:35,414 --> 00:08:37,454 Speaker 2: as everybody knows, is fairly insignificant. 156 00:08:38,614 --> 00:08:41,534 Speaker 1: Two days after she went missing, SA Police declared her 157 00:08:41,574 --> 00:08:44,814 Speaker 1: disappearance a major crime. The lead detective on the case, 158 00:08:44,894 --> 00:08:48,534 Speaker 1: Alan Arthur, making a prediction that would sadly come true. 159 00:08:48,534 --> 00:08:52,094 Speaker 3: Impressed upon the community close to where she's disappeared that 160 00:08:52,134 --> 00:08:54,854 Speaker 3: without their assistance, this case will flounder and it may 161 00:08:54,934 --> 00:08:57,214 Speaker 3: well become another Beaumont mystery. 162 00:08:58,294 --> 00:09:02,014 Speaker 1: Despite volunteers spreading out to search nearby bush land, hundreds 163 00:09:02,014 --> 00:09:04,294 Speaker 1: of calls from the public claiming to have seen her, 164 00:09:04,774 --> 00:09:07,254 Speaker 1: a report from a witness saying Rihanna was taken by 165 00:09:07,254 --> 00:09:10,854 Speaker 1: someone possibly driving a white Tarana within Victorian number plates, 166 00:09:11,294 --> 00:09:13,574 Speaker 1: a man claiming to have found keys that may have 167 00:09:13,654 --> 00:09:16,574 Speaker 1: belonged to the twelve year old, which then disappeared, and 168 00:09:16,614 --> 00:09:19,214 Speaker 1: even her twelve year old best friend dressing up as 169 00:09:19,214 --> 00:09:21,734 Speaker 1: her and walking the neighborhood path to try and jolt 170 00:09:21,774 --> 00:09:26,254 Speaker 1: someone's memory. To this day, Rihanna Burrow remains a missing person. 171 00:09:26,974 --> 00:09:29,934 Speaker 1: Alan Arthur spoke to the ABC ten years ago sharing 172 00:09:29,934 --> 00:09:31,734 Speaker 1: what he thought happened to the missing girl. 173 00:09:32,454 --> 00:09:36,894 Speaker 3: My theory today is that I think her abductor and 174 00:09:37,014 --> 00:09:39,534 Speaker 3: I will say killer, It was closer than a lot 175 00:09:39,534 --> 00:09:44,654 Speaker 3: of people think, and I would suspect that her remains 176 00:09:44,814 --> 00:09:47,974 Speaker 3: a closer to where she lives than most people think. 177 00:09:48,414 --> 00:09:50,854 Speaker 3: So you think it was someone in the neighborhood, That's 178 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:54,134 Speaker 3: my feeling. I've felt that way, Sir Chevy Wicks at 179 00:09:54,174 --> 00:09:57,134 Speaker 3: the inquiry and even more so over not retired. 180 00:09:59,214 --> 00:10:02,334 Speaker 1: The now former detective explained that he thinks whoever took 181 00:10:02,414 --> 00:10:05,374 Speaker 1: Rihanna did so by car, believing it was a crime 182 00:10:05,414 --> 00:10:08,694 Speaker 1: of opportunity, the abductor getting lucky that no one saw 183 00:10:08,734 --> 00:10:11,894 Speaker 1: what happened, and that her remains are buried somewhere at 184 00:10:11,894 --> 00:10:16,214 Speaker 1: a house nearby. Detective Arthur got emotional talking about this case. 185 00:10:16,574 --> 00:10:19,374 Speaker 1: Tears threatened as he recalled how it felt not to 186 00:10:19,494 --> 00:10:22,854 Speaker 1: solve this case for Rihanna's family's sake before he retired. 187 00:10:23,814 --> 00:10:26,494 Speaker 1: The person with the white tarana has never been located, 188 00:10:26,694 --> 00:10:29,574 Speaker 1: and there has been suggestions that she was possibly taken 189 00:10:29,574 --> 00:10:33,334 Speaker 1: by a Victorian man dubbed mister Krule. He'd already targeted 190 00:10:33,334 --> 00:10:36,294 Speaker 1: young girls on school holidays, but no solid connections have 191 00:10:36,334 --> 00:10:40,054 Speaker 1: been made and since then there's been no new information 192 00:10:40,294 --> 00:10:43,534 Speaker 1: on where Rihanna Bureau is now. That's despite a one 193 00:10:43,574 --> 00:10:46,414 Speaker 1: million dollar award being offered by the South Australian government 194 00:10:46,654 --> 00:10:52,774 Speaker 1: for any information leading to her whereabouts. Commander Joanne Cameron 195 00:10:52,814 --> 00:10:56,374 Speaker 1: works for the Forensics Command of the Australian Federal Police. Joanne, 196 00:10:56,414 --> 00:10:58,414 Speaker 1: the theme of this year is Missing Person's Week is 197 00:10:58,534 --> 00:11:01,654 Speaker 1: always searching. Now we have some understanding of the depth 198 00:11:01,774 --> 00:11:04,574 Speaker 1: of desperation and fear and panic that the families of 199 00:11:04,574 --> 00:11:07,294 Speaker 1: those who are missing face, but I'd like to get 200 00:11:07,294 --> 00:11:10,014 Speaker 1: your perspective on what it's like for police who invested them. 201 00:11:10,254 --> 00:11:12,534 Speaker 4: Thanks very much, Claire. I think it goes to the 202 00:11:12,534 --> 00:11:16,094 Speaker 4: heart of why police join across the Australia every state 203 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:19,534 Speaker 4: and territory. Police have those long term cases that are 204 00:11:19,574 --> 00:11:22,774 Speaker 4: always sitting there waiting for the next piece of information 205 00:11:22,854 --> 00:11:26,734 Speaker 4: that might bring resolution to that case. Even here in Cambrill. 206 00:11:26,774 --> 00:11:29,654 Speaker 4: This week there's been some great information coming forward on 207 00:11:29,654 --> 00:11:32,454 Speaker 4: one of the long term missing persons cases, Laura Howeth, 208 00:11:32,854 --> 00:11:36,454 Speaker 4: and the potential breakthrough in that regard, and it does 209 00:11:36,494 --> 00:11:40,374 Speaker 4: take a toll, of course, the toll is most felt 210 00:11:40,374 --> 00:11:43,054 Speaker 4: by the families and the loved ones who wait every 211 00:11:43,134 --> 00:11:46,774 Speaker 4: day for a new answer about their loved one being found. 212 00:11:47,054 --> 00:11:49,014 Speaker 4: But the toll that it does take, as you mentioned 213 00:11:49,014 --> 00:11:51,694 Speaker 4: on the police, these sorts of cases never leave any 214 00:11:51,694 --> 00:11:54,494 Speaker 4: of us as police officers, and over the years, as 215 00:11:54,574 --> 00:11:57,854 Speaker 4: people and police move through their career, these cases are 216 00:11:57,894 --> 00:12:00,974 Speaker 4: handed to the long term missing person's units. And I 217 00:12:00,974 --> 00:12:03,374 Speaker 4: can assure you there's a whole bunch of dedicated police 218 00:12:03,494 --> 00:12:07,454 Speaker 4: they're sitting around Australia who continue to seek and reach 219 00:12:07,494 --> 00:12:10,454 Speaker 4: out to the community on every number of those files, 220 00:12:10,574 --> 00:12:12,974 Speaker 4: looking for that one piece of information that might be 221 00:12:13,014 --> 00:12:15,814 Speaker 4: brought forward by the community that could make the difference 222 00:12:15,854 --> 00:12:16,494 Speaker 4: to that case. 223 00:12:17,454 --> 00:12:19,734 Speaker 1: How does that work when something has been on the 224 00:12:19,734 --> 00:12:22,814 Speaker 1: books for such a long time. Is there a standard 225 00:12:22,814 --> 00:12:25,054 Speaker 1: for how regularly that these cases are checked in on? 226 00:12:25,414 --> 00:12:28,734 Speaker 1: Is it something that is highlighted during National Missing Person's 227 00:12:28,774 --> 00:12:30,374 Speaker 1: wek How does it work when you have a cold 228 00:12:30,374 --> 00:12:32,694 Speaker 1: case sitting there for such a long time. How many 229 00:12:32,774 --> 00:12:34,054 Speaker 1: times a year does it get checked on? 230 00:12:34,694 --> 00:12:37,094 Speaker 4: Well, what I can say is that since two thousand 231 00:12:37,134 --> 00:12:41,054 Speaker 4: and six, the AFPs hosted the National Missing Person's Coordination 232 00:12:41,214 --> 00:12:45,294 Speaker 4: Center and that is an opportunity to connect with all 233 00:12:45,334 --> 00:12:48,134 Speaker 4: states and territory police. It's important for everyone out there 234 00:12:48,134 --> 00:12:50,734 Speaker 4: to know that the case and the investigation is always 235 00:12:50,734 --> 00:12:53,894 Speaker 4: sitting with your local police, always sitting there waiting for 236 00:12:53,934 --> 00:12:56,174 Speaker 4: that new piece of information, and they are the ones 237 00:12:56,174 --> 00:13:00,134 Speaker 4: that review and maintain those files. But the point about 238 00:13:00,174 --> 00:13:03,654 Speaker 4: a coordination unit that brings all of the state police 239 00:13:03,694 --> 00:13:07,534 Speaker 4: together means there's no boundaries across Australia when we're trying 240 00:13:07,534 --> 00:13:10,774 Speaker 4: to share information and we're trying to long term missing 241 00:13:10,814 --> 00:13:11,694 Speaker 4: person's cases. 242 00:13:12,534 --> 00:13:16,174 Speaker 1: How important is it to circulate this information amongst the 243 00:13:16,214 --> 00:13:19,014 Speaker 1: prison population here in Australia, Because when I was living 244 00:13:19,014 --> 00:13:23,254 Speaker 1: in South Australia, Operation Persist was quite a media headline 245 00:13:23,254 --> 00:13:26,054 Speaker 1: at the time, where playing cards were printed out with 246 00:13:26,454 --> 00:13:30,014 Speaker 1: unsolved cases on them and were circulated amongst prison systems. 247 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:32,814 Speaker 1: Because prisoners talk amongst themselves and they might hear bits 248 00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,334 Speaker 1: of information that might lead to breaking some of these 249 00:13:35,374 --> 00:13:39,614 Speaker 1: long term cases. How important is it that the prison 250 00:13:39,694 --> 00:13:42,414 Speaker 1: population is part of the conversation when it comes to 251 00:13:42,494 --> 00:13:44,934 Speaker 1: these long term missing persons cases, where in a lot 252 00:13:44,934 --> 00:13:47,734 Speaker 1: of cases they presume that that victim has been murdered. 253 00:13:48,374 --> 00:13:51,414 Speaker 4: I think that's a really interesting approach. It's something that 254 00:13:51,494 --> 00:13:54,454 Speaker 4: we certainly want to be able to promote National Missing 255 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:58,174 Speaker 4: Persons Week throughout all of the Australian community, and I 256 00:13:58,214 --> 00:14:00,614 Speaker 4: take your point, we could absolutely be making sure that 257 00:14:01,054 --> 00:14:04,734 Speaker 4: this sort of information is circulated through prisons. I think 258 00:14:04,774 --> 00:14:07,174 Speaker 4: the important point too, in the broader sense, to make 259 00:14:07,214 --> 00:14:11,134 Speaker 4: to your listeners is that going missing isn't always attached 260 00:14:11,174 --> 00:14:14,294 Speaker 4: to being a crime. Sadly, sometimes it is, and we 261 00:14:14,374 --> 00:14:16,654 Speaker 4: do also reach out to those people that may have 262 00:14:16,734 --> 00:14:19,614 Speaker 4: chosen to go missing and they have chosen to disconnect 263 00:14:19,654 --> 00:14:23,214 Speaker 4: from their loved ones that there's always an opportunity for 264 00:14:23,254 --> 00:14:25,254 Speaker 4: them to reach back to authorities as well and let 265 00:14:25,374 --> 00:14:28,454 Speaker 4: us know that they're okay. The drivers for missing people 266 00:14:28,614 --> 00:14:32,374 Speaker 4: can be very broad, sadly, horribly sometimes it's as a 267 00:14:32,374 --> 00:14:35,094 Speaker 4: result of being a victim of a serious crime, but 268 00:14:35,174 --> 00:14:38,294 Speaker 4: other times people have made a choice to disconnect and 269 00:14:38,334 --> 00:14:40,814 Speaker 4: for whatever reason that might be, for us to be 270 00:14:40,894 --> 00:14:43,614 Speaker 4: able to get that bit of information and put that 271 00:14:43,694 --> 00:14:46,974 Speaker 4: case to closure is really important and we can put 272 00:14:47,214 --> 00:14:49,814 Speaker 4: resolution to that family who at least knows then that 273 00:14:49,854 --> 00:14:52,054 Speaker 4: their loved one is safe and well and they've just 274 00:14:52,134 --> 00:14:53,854 Speaker 4: chosen not to reconnect with them. 275 00:14:54,374 --> 00:14:56,454 Speaker 1: Joanne, I'm really interested to find out how you feel 276 00:14:56,494 --> 00:15:00,294 Speaker 1: about podcasts that have now started to help solve some 277 00:15:00,374 --> 00:15:03,814 Speaker 1: of these long term cold cases to varying degrees. I mean, 278 00:15:03,814 --> 00:15:06,134 Speaker 1: we've had the Lady Vanishers who have been searching for 279 00:15:06,214 --> 00:15:09,894 Speaker 1: Marion Barter, the Teacher's Pet podcast of course, which finally 280 00:15:09,894 --> 00:15:12,334 Speaker 1: put Chris Dawson behind miles, although we still have not 281 00:15:12,494 --> 00:15:17,014 Speaker 1: found Lynnette Sims remains. How do you feel about podcasts 282 00:15:17,094 --> 00:15:20,814 Speaker 1: now becoming part of the process of searching for missing 283 00:15:20,854 --> 00:15:21,894 Speaker 1: persons here in Australia. 284 00:15:22,334 --> 00:15:24,774 Speaker 4: I absolutely believe they're a help, Claire. I think it's 285 00:15:24,774 --> 00:15:28,254 Speaker 4: a wonderful outcome. As you describe the role I think 286 00:15:28,294 --> 00:15:31,814 Speaker 4: that podcasts can play is the depth of detail and 287 00:15:31,854 --> 00:15:34,254 Speaker 4: the time that people can take to listen through the 288 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:37,334 Speaker 4: journey and the story, and for those listeners that might 289 00:15:37,454 --> 00:15:39,574 Speaker 4: think they have a connection to these sorts of cases, 290 00:15:39,614 --> 00:15:42,574 Speaker 4: it actually gives people time to think, think through what 291 00:15:42,654 --> 00:15:45,214 Speaker 4: they know, think through how they could share it. And 292 00:15:45,374 --> 00:15:47,694 Speaker 4: I go back to the purpose of they Were Always 293 00:15:47,694 --> 00:15:50,814 Speaker 4: Searching campaign and the role that the National Person's Week 294 00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:54,334 Speaker 4: plays every year. It's about reaching out to the community 295 00:15:54,374 --> 00:15:57,294 Speaker 4: and connecting, and it's about hopefully reaching out to those 296 00:15:57,334 --> 00:16:00,254 Speaker 4: people that might know something. The smallest piece of information 297 00:16:00,734 --> 00:16:04,214 Speaker 4: from however long ago, if that hasn't been shared with police, 298 00:16:04,414 --> 00:16:07,254 Speaker 4: it might be the one piece of information that can 299 00:16:07,334 --> 00:16:12,774 Speaker 4: create an entire new lead, entire new opportunity to reopen 300 00:16:12,814 --> 00:16:16,614 Speaker 4: that case. The other point about information sharing and reopening 301 00:16:16,614 --> 00:16:20,774 Speaker 4: of cases is that technology is advancing. A great change 302 00:16:20,774 --> 00:16:23,214 Speaker 4: that was brought forward this year by the Australian Federal 303 00:16:23,254 --> 00:16:26,414 Speaker 4: Police was to move the National Missing Person's Coordination Center 304 00:16:26,774 --> 00:16:30,414 Speaker 4: into and under our Forensics Command. In my normal role, 305 00:16:30,454 --> 00:16:33,694 Speaker 4: I'm a Commander Forensics and I'm very very excited to 306 00:16:33,694 --> 00:16:36,694 Speaker 4: see what can be brought forward in terms of applying 307 00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:41,014 Speaker 4: new technologies, new forensic techniques, new capabilities that we use 308 00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:44,854 Speaker 4: every day on our current case load. How can we 309 00:16:44,894 --> 00:16:47,894 Speaker 4: apply that to long term missing person's cases? And as 310 00:16:47,934 --> 00:16:51,014 Speaker 4: we've already proven through the National DNA program over the 311 00:16:51,014 --> 00:16:53,414 Speaker 4: course of the last four years when it was funded, 312 00:16:54,094 --> 00:16:58,894 Speaker 4: we solved nineteen long term missing persons because we analyzed 313 00:16:59,214 --> 00:17:01,974 Speaker 4: unidentified human or remains that are held across the nation 314 00:17:02,454 --> 00:17:05,494 Speaker 4: and twenty one of those remains were directly matched to 315 00:17:05,734 --> 00:17:07,614 Speaker 4: nineteen long term missing persons cases. 316 00:17:08,334 --> 00:17:12,094 Speaker 1: How successful are awards in the discussion about long term 317 00:17:12,134 --> 00:17:15,134 Speaker 1: missing persons. The case that we've just discussed with Rihanna Burrow, 318 00:17:15,174 --> 00:17:18,374 Speaker 1: there is a million dollar reward for information leading to 319 00:17:18,854 --> 00:17:22,054 Speaker 1: her whereabouts or to find the people who were allegedly 320 00:17:22,054 --> 00:17:25,894 Speaker 1: involved in her disappearance. But still nothing has happened in 321 00:17:25,934 --> 00:17:28,454 Speaker 1: that case. There's been no movement for decades on this case. 322 00:17:28,494 --> 00:17:31,254 Speaker 1: But do rewards actually lead to success? 323 00:17:31,254 --> 00:17:34,454 Speaker 4: Sometimes? I think they play their role. Certainly, some people 324 00:17:34,494 --> 00:17:36,574 Speaker 4: are motivated by the fact that the reward is there 325 00:17:36,614 --> 00:17:39,334 Speaker 4: and offered, And I also make the point that other 326 00:17:39,374 --> 00:17:43,014 Speaker 4: times people will also step up and share information because 327 00:17:43,054 --> 00:17:46,094 Speaker 4: of the burden, the emotional burden that it takes on them. 328 00:17:46,254 --> 00:17:48,814 Speaker 4: And as we always say, crime Stoppers is a wonderful 329 00:17:48,814 --> 00:17:51,694 Speaker 4: platform that information can be shared, and we all know 330 00:17:51,774 --> 00:17:54,534 Speaker 4: crime Stoppers you can share that information anonymously. Well. 331 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:57,214 Speaker 1: Can we talk about some of the missing person's cases 332 00:17:57,214 --> 00:17:59,894 Speaker 1: are being highlighted this National Missing Person's Week. There are 333 00:17:59,934 --> 00:18:03,214 Speaker 1: eight missing women that we're focusing in on this year. 334 00:18:03,294 --> 00:18:05,254 Speaker 1: Can you give us just a quick overview of who 335 00:18:05,294 --> 00:18:05,614 Speaker 1: they are? 336 00:18:05,974 --> 00:18:09,894 Speaker 4: Sure here in Canberra, last scene in Queenbean into thousand 337 00:18:09,894 --> 00:18:12,694 Speaker 4: and eight, the Laura Howarths matter has been raised and 338 00:18:12,694 --> 00:18:16,014 Speaker 4: there's been some really interesting media this week in and 339 00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:19,094 Speaker 4: of itself. On that case, in New South Wales around 340 00:18:19,174 --> 00:18:22,814 Speaker 4: Lake Aragon, there was a Lady Anne Marie Jeffrey, last 341 00:18:22,814 --> 00:18:26,734 Speaker 4: scene in August twenty twenty in the Northern Territory in 342 00:18:26,774 --> 00:18:29,654 Speaker 4: the vicinity of Alice Springs. Angie Lee Fuller was last 343 00:18:29,694 --> 00:18:34,574 Speaker 4: seen in February last year, twenty twenty three. In Queensland 344 00:18:34,654 --> 00:18:37,974 Speaker 4: around Warwick. In two thousand and seven, Tenure Buckland was 345 00:18:38,014 --> 00:18:41,814 Speaker 4: last seen. We also have Susan Goodwin, last seen in 346 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:44,734 Speaker 4: two thousand and two in the Port Lincoln area. In 347 00:18:44,774 --> 00:18:48,654 Speaker 4: South Australia. Back as far as nineteen ninety three, Nancy 348 00:18:49,014 --> 00:18:53,174 Speaker 4: Grundwald was last seen in Scamander in Tasmania. Here we 349 00:18:53,254 --> 00:18:56,334 Speaker 4: go as far back as in nineteen seventy five. Julie 350 00:18:56,414 --> 00:19:00,974 Speaker 4: Gasalat was last seen in North Melbourne, Victoria. Chantel McDougall 351 00:19:01,134 --> 00:19:03,494 Speaker 4: in two thousand and one was last seen in nanap 352 00:19:03,574 --> 00:19:07,254 Speaker 4: in Western Australia. And it's really quite moving to have 353 00:19:07,294 --> 00:19:09,574 Speaker 4: to read out those names and to think that in 354 00:19:09,614 --> 00:19:14,214 Speaker 4: some regards almost fifty years ago those families have been 355 00:19:14,574 --> 00:19:18,614 Speaker 4: waiting for answers. It's that sense of ambiguous loss, whether 356 00:19:18,654 --> 00:19:23,094 Speaker 4: they grieve because of the loss that they're experiencing tragically, 357 00:19:23,094 --> 00:19:26,414 Speaker 4: balanced against hope and hoping that someone might come forward 358 00:19:26,654 --> 00:19:29,654 Speaker 4: and resolution might be made to the case of their 359 00:19:29,694 --> 00:19:30,614 Speaker 4: missing loved one. 360 00:19:31,094 --> 00:19:34,534 Speaker 1: Just to finish on Joanne, what's it like to solve 361 00:19:34,534 --> 00:19:37,454 Speaker 1: a long term missing person's case and to be finally 362 00:19:37,494 --> 00:19:40,254 Speaker 1: able to deliver that information to the family who could 363 00:19:40,254 --> 00:19:41,814 Speaker 1: have been waiting decades for an answer. 364 00:19:42,214 --> 00:19:45,094 Speaker 4: I think it's a testament to the dedication of the 365 00:19:45,134 --> 00:19:49,214 Speaker 4: police and other agencies, the forensics officers, others that are 366 00:19:49,254 --> 00:19:52,414 Speaker 4: involved the non government sector who are out there in 367 00:19:52,414 --> 00:19:56,694 Speaker 4: the community, supporting each other, supporting families that are grieving, 368 00:19:57,214 --> 00:20:00,894 Speaker 4: the families themselves who can finally put closure to their matter. 369 00:20:01,054 --> 00:20:04,574 Speaker 4: That feeling of relief can't be underestimated. But I also 370 00:20:04,694 --> 00:20:07,374 Speaker 4: balance that with the other families that are still left 371 00:20:07,414 --> 00:20:10,334 Speaker 4: there waiting, and it can actually be quite a moment 372 00:20:10,734 --> 00:20:13,974 Speaker 4: to stop and reflect each year for these families that 373 00:20:14,174 --> 00:20:17,934 Speaker 4: unfortunately still don't have any resolution to the missing case 374 00:20:18,294 --> 00:20:23,534 Speaker 4: of their loved one. 375 00:20:24,334 --> 00:20:27,934 Speaker 1: Rihanna's disappearance changed the innocence of my childhood and those 376 00:20:27,934 --> 00:20:30,494 Speaker 1: of children who lived in the area. Gone with the 377 00:20:30,534 --> 00:20:33,894 Speaker 1: carefree days that went before. Now our parents knew a 378 00:20:33,974 --> 00:20:36,614 Speaker 1: predator lurked in our midst and that they could possibly 379 00:20:36,654 --> 00:20:40,054 Speaker 1: still be there, hiding in plain sight. And while Rihanna 380 00:20:40,094 --> 00:20:42,614 Speaker 1: Burrow's disappearance still weighs heavy on the hearts of the 381 00:20:42,694 --> 00:20:45,134 Speaker 1: kids who grew up in the neighborhood with her, the 382 00:20:45,174 --> 00:20:49,294 Speaker 1: burden her mum bears is almost unthinkable. The decisions made 383 00:20:49,294 --> 00:20:52,054 Speaker 1: that day, both within and out of her control, that 384 00:20:52,174 --> 00:20:55,614 Speaker 1: she has questioned over and over the day she moved 385 00:20:55,614 --> 00:20:57,974 Speaker 1: out of the house on Wakefield Street, knowing that if 386 00:20:58,054 --> 00:21:01,494 Speaker 1: Rihanna ever came back, she would be gone, but staying 387 00:21:01,574 --> 00:21:04,774 Speaker 1: became too much to bear. Every day waiting for her 388 00:21:04,774 --> 00:21:07,414 Speaker 1: little girl to walk back in that door, a day 389 00:21:07,454 --> 00:21:11,414 Speaker 1: that never came. Rihanna would be in her forties now. 390 00:21:11,734 --> 00:21:14,454 Speaker 1: If you have any information that might bring some peace 391 00:21:14,454 --> 00:21:17,534 Speaker 1: to her family, please reach out to crime Stoppers one 392 00:21:17,574 --> 00:21:21,134 Speaker 1: eight hundred, triple three, Triple zero. We'll also link to 393 00:21:21,174 --> 00:21:23,734 Speaker 1: the AFP Missing Person's website, where you can find more 394 00:21:23,774 --> 00:21:26,974 Speaker 1: information on the women highlighted in this National Missing Person's Week. 395 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,734 Speaker 1: To those who might be hearing this and who have 396 00:21:29,814 --> 00:21:32,854 Speaker 1: a family member or friends still missing, we see you 397 00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:35,454 Speaker 1: and we hope the end of your weight comes sooner 398 00:21:35,654 --> 00:21:39,094 Speaker 1: rather than later. Thanks for spending some time with us today. 399 00:21:39,294 --> 00:21:41,934 Speaker 1: The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our 400 00:21:41,974 --> 00:21:45,534 Speaker 1: senior producer Taylor Strato, with audio production by Tom Lyin.