1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,864 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,904 --> 00:00:30,104 Speaker 2: to this fill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:30,104 --> 00:00:32,864 Speaker 2: Brodneck and I'm then I nearly said today. 6 00:00:32,624 --> 00:00:35,424 Speaker 3: We're joined by if it's like some big reveal, I mean, 7 00:00:35,424 --> 00:00:36,224 Speaker 3: you won't hear yesterdays. 8 00:00:36,224 --> 00:00:38,784 Speaker 1: Maybe because we've been having so many guests on the show. 9 00:00:38,984 --> 00:00:41,024 Speaker 1: You we're great, but I missed this. 10 00:00:41,264 --> 00:00:42,824 Speaker 2: Oh my god, is it the nicest thing you've ever 11 00:00:42,864 --> 00:00:46,664 Speaker 2: said to me? Maybe you so rarely you could get nicer. 12 00:00:47,864 --> 00:00:50,944 Speaker 2: Coming up on the show today, Chapel Roone has done 13 00:00:51,104 --> 00:00:53,864 Speaker 2: an interview on Call Her Daddy, and one piece of 14 00:00:53,864 --> 00:00:56,424 Speaker 2: it you've probably seen where she talks about never seeing 15 00:00:56,424 --> 00:00:59,544 Speaker 2: a happy parent. That bit has gone completely viral and 16 00:00:59,624 --> 00:01:02,264 Speaker 2: everyone's got a huge opinion on it. But there's some 17 00:01:02,344 --> 00:01:04,584 Speaker 2: other parts of the interview that we actually think are 18 00:01:04,664 --> 00:01:06,864 Speaker 2: much more interesting and much more important. I mean, not 19 00:01:06,864 --> 00:01:09,784 Speaker 2: that that wasn't interesting, but people are ignoring some big stories. 20 00:01:10,104 --> 00:01:11,664 Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that because you have 21 00:01:11,704 --> 00:01:13,984 Speaker 2: a very big theory about how this is going to 22 00:01:13,984 --> 00:01:18,224 Speaker 2: affect her I love how you set that up. Yeah, great, see. 23 00:01:18,104 --> 00:01:20,464 Speaker 3: She does like me. Also, it's been a bit of. 24 00:01:20,504 --> 00:01:22,864 Speaker 2: A bad and crazy week for Kim Kardashian. 25 00:01:23,144 --> 00:01:24,824 Speaker 1: There isn't every good week for this Paul. 26 00:01:25,024 --> 00:01:27,904 Speaker 2: She's apparently at odds with one of her most famous friends, 27 00:01:27,984 --> 00:01:30,264 Speaker 2: Kanye West, has said some diabolical things. 28 00:01:30,464 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 3: We're going to get into all of that. 29 00:01:31,584 --> 00:01:34,544 Speaker 2: I don't mean to be a Kimberly Kardashian apologist, but 30 00:01:34,624 --> 00:01:35,984 Speaker 2: at the same time, I feel like I need to 31 00:01:35,984 --> 00:01:38,624 Speaker 2: set the record straight on a few things. But first, 32 00:01:38,784 --> 00:01:39,864 Speaker 2: you have some things to share. 33 00:01:40,184 --> 00:01:42,264 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going to break the rules a little bit. 34 00:01:42,184 --> 00:01:44,704 Speaker 3: Okay, and you I love that. 35 00:01:44,944 --> 00:01:46,904 Speaker 1: Usually in the first part of our show we talk 36 00:01:46,944 --> 00:01:49,344 Speaker 1: about something really newsy and in the zai guys, and 37 00:01:49,384 --> 00:01:51,024 Speaker 1: there was two things that I really want to talk about, 38 00:01:51,024 --> 00:01:52,024 Speaker 1: So I'm going to try to fit them. 39 00:01:52,064 --> 00:01:53,504 Speaker 3: Oh, just set a timer. 40 00:01:53,664 --> 00:01:55,744 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I'm not 41 00:01:55,784 --> 00:01:57,944 Speaker 1: anxious at all. So the first thing I want to 42 00:01:57,944 --> 00:02:01,624 Speaker 1: talk about is that finally, and I do mean finally 43 00:02:01,624 --> 00:02:03,144 Speaker 1: because this has been in the works for a really 44 00:02:03,224 --> 00:02:07,584 Speaker 1: long time, but we are going to receive a Beatles biopic, 45 00:02:07,984 --> 00:02:10,024 Speaker 1: and not just one. We're going to get four. 46 00:02:10,504 --> 00:02:12,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does the four things. I've seen a lot 47 00:02:12,104 --> 00:02:14,824 Speaker 2: of mixed commentary. Some people think that it's the right 48 00:02:14,904 --> 00:02:17,544 Speaker 2: move and we definitely need four four movies, and some 49 00:02:17,544 --> 00:02:19,504 Speaker 2: people think it's overkilled and it should have all their 50 00:02:19,544 --> 00:02:21,584 Speaker 2: stories should have been intertwined in one movie. 51 00:02:21,864 --> 00:02:22,704 Speaker 3: What's your vibe on man? 52 00:02:22,944 --> 00:02:25,904 Speaker 1: This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I definitely. 53 00:02:25,504 --> 00:02:27,304 Speaker 3: Think say, I don't know who the Beatles are. 54 00:02:30,064 --> 00:02:33,504 Speaker 1: But I think from this job, I do think there's 55 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:35,864 Speaker 1: definitely grounds for three movies. 56 00:02:36,024 --> 00:02:37,704 Speaker 3: M Wait, who's getting bumped? 57 00:02:37,984 --> 00:02:39,184 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we're going to do it with 58 00:02:39,264 --> 00:02:39,824 Speaker 1: Ringo Star. 59 00:02:40,544 --> 00:02:42,704 Speaker 3: I think Ringo's got some stories to tell. 60 00:02:43,024 --> 00:02:43,224 Speaker 2: Well. 61 00:02:43,464 --> 00:02:46,264 Speaker 1: Ringo Star is going to be played by Barrick Yogan. Actually, 62 00:02:46,304 --> 00:02:48,904 Speaker 1: all of our boyfriends are in these movies. We have 63 00:02:49,184 --> 00:02:53,184 Speaker 1: Paul Mescal as Paul McCartney, Harris Dickinson, who we love 64 00:02:53,224 --> 00:02:55,944 Speaker 1: and talked about in Baby Girl as John Lennon. I 65 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:58,184 Speaker 1: think he's going to be great in that, and Joseph 66 00:02:58,264 --> 00:03:00,544 Speaker 1: Quinn from Stranger Things as George Harrison. 67 00:03:00,624 --> 00:03:03,624 Speaker 2: Can I just say I'm actually quite worried about this. 68 00:03:04,224 --> 00:03:07,304 Speaker 2: Those press tours the girls are not going to cope. 69 00:03:07,384 --> 00:03:08,624 Speaker 1: Do you think we'll get interviews. 70 00:03:08,824 --> 00:03:10,264 Speaker 3: I mean no, not even just asking. 71 00:03:10,544 --> 00:03:14,104 Speaker 1: But if we do get interviews, surely the entire editorial to. 72 00:03:14,144 --> 00:03:14,904 Speaker 3: You have to go. 73 00:03:15,144 --> 00:03:17,784 Speaker 2: They'll be like breaking the doors, five of us interviewing 74 00:03:17,824 --> 00:03:19,704 Speaker 2: each one of them. But just think about when any 75 00:03:19,744 --> 00:03:22,224 Speaker 2: of these men do solo red carpets and how that 76 00:03:22,264 --> 00:03:24,544 Speaker 2: all blows up, and how people start swooning and people 77 00:03:24,624 --> 00:03:27,944 Speaker 2: literally lose their minds. Not unlike the beatles Mania, but 78 00:03:28,024 --> 00:03:30,504 Speaker 2: happened when they were like, you know, first becoming huge. 79 00:03:30,264 --> 00:03:32,424 Speaker 1: And Gladiator like, we were losing our minds and that 80 00:03:32,544 --> 00:03:33,904 Speaker 1: was just. 81 00:03:34,024 --> 00:03:36,424 Speaker 2: Paul was just walking in a scared, sweaty little man. 82 00:03:36,784 --> 00:03:38,824 Speaker 3: And I just don't think the world's gonna cope with 83 00:03:38,824 --> 00:03:39,504 Speaker 3: this press tour. 84 00:03:39,744 --> 00:03:42,144 Speaker 1: No, that's all I'm saying. I think it's gonna be 85 00:03:42,224 --> 00:03:44,064 Speaker 1: a lot. But that's probably what they're going to go for. 86 00:03:44,104 --> 00:03:46,104 Speaker 1: I reckon they're going to make the entire press tool 87 00:03:46,224 --> 00:03:47,184 Speaker 1: like beatles Mania. 88 00:03:47,224 --> 00:03:48,664 Speaker 2: Do you think it'll be like The Avengers where they 89 00:03:48,664 --> 00:03:50,504 Speaker 2: all get a solo movie and they come together then 90 00:03:50,544 --> 00:03:52,784 Speaker 2: in one big movie at the end of fifth movie, 91 00:03:52,784 --> 00:03:53,784 Speaker 2: it'll be like The Avengers. 92 00:03:54,424 --> 00:03:56,944 Speaker 1: Well, what I imagine if it's like four movies about 93 00:03:56,984 --> 00:03:59,464 Speaker 1: like so each one gets their own movie. But does 94 00:03:59,504 --> 00:04:02,984 Speaker 1: that mean like the other three are like background characters 95 00:04:02,984 --> 00:04:04,184 Speaker 1: for the other three movies. 96 00:04:04,264 --> 00:04:06,064 Speaker 2: I mean, at the time of recording, guys, they haven't 97 00:04:06,064 --> 00:04:07,584 Speaker 2: released this information in full. 98 00:04:07,624 --> 00:04:11,264 Speaker 1: They've literally just been announced. It's directed by Sam Mendez, 99 00:04:11,264 --> 00:04:15,304 Speaker 1: who's done the Bond movies. He's really well known, and 100 00:04:15,504 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 1: all we've seen is that he's just introduced the cast. 101 00:04:17,704 --> 00:04:19,624 Speaker 1: These four guys got up on stage. They did a 102 00:04:19,664 --> 00:04:22,504 Speaker 1: little like spoken rendition of some of the Beatles song. 103 00:04:22,984 --> 00:04:26,064 Speaker 1: They looked like very uncomfortable and very awkward. 104 00:04:26,144 --> 00:04:27,384 Speaker 3: They're all very awkward men. 105 00:04:27,624 --> 00:04:32,744 Speaker 2: The best awkward men you've ever come across on screen, 106 00:04:32,784 --> 00:04:34,584 Speaker 2: but so awkward off screen, which is why people are 107 00:04:34,624 --> 00:04:36,304 Speaker 2: in love with them. Getting them up on stage, do 108 00:04:36,304 --> 00:04:38,784 Speaker 2: you an announcement also very avengures. 109 00:04:38,304 --> 00:04:39,344 Speaker 1: Very avengers. 110 00:04:39,584 --> 00:04:41,304 Speaker 2: I'm just could have been at Carmet Con it was, 111 00:04:41,344 --> 00:04:43,944 Speaker 2: and it was that macconn oh. This is a similar 112 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:46,424 Speaker 2: kind of vibe. I just think that I'm most interested 113 00:04:46,504 --> 00:04:48,864 Speaker 2: in the Beatles like relationships with each other. Like I'm 114 00:04:48,864 --> 00:04:52,144 Speaker 2: obviously interested in the backstories of their lives and everything, 115 00:04:52,184 --> 00:04:54,384 Speaker 2: but I think their dynamic is the most interesting thing. 116 00:04:54,584 --> 00:04:55,304 Speaker 3: So it feels like. 117 00:04:55,224 --> 00:04:56,824 Speaker 2: A bit of a waste to have all these movies 118 00:04:56,824 --> 00:04:59,464 Speaker 2: about them without really delving into that and giving that 119 00:04:59,504 --> 00:05:00,384 Speaker 2: the most screen time. 120 00:05:00,584 --> 00:05:03,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just what to do with this because I 121 00:05:03,584 --> 00:05:05,784 Speaker 1: feel like Paul McCartney would be very vocal about how 122 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:10,064 Speaker 1: he gets portrayed. Yeah, and also do we do four 123 00:05:10,624 --> 00:05:15,304 Speaker 1: honest reviews? I just want big one, four and then 124 00:05:15,384 --> 00:05:17,384 Speaker 1: like one big one at the end that could be 125 00:05:17,384 --> 00:05:17,944 Speaker 1: the fifth movie. 126 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:19,784 Speaker 3: Well, we're set for contents for the next four years 127 00:05:19,784 --> 00:05:20,624 Speaker 3: at least. 128 00:05:20,864 --> 00:05:23,424 Speaker 1: So the next thing I wanted to talk about is 129 00:05:23,544 --> 00:05:26,584 Speaker 1: you might have been seeing a man across your social 130 00:05:26,624 --> 00:05:31,144 Speaker 1: media feed named Morgan Wallin, And if you don't know him, 131 00:05:31,224 --> 00:05:33,944 Speaker 1: don't worry because I didn't either. But he's a really 132 00:05:34,104 --> 00:05:37,184 Speaker 1: famous country singer in the US. Like, he's very well 133 00:05:37,224 --> 00:05:40,144 Speaker 1: known in the US, and now he's making international headlines 134 00:05:40,224 --> 00:05:42,664 Speaker 1: after a stint he did on SNL. So he was 135 00:05:42,704 --> 00:05:46,424 Speaker 1: on SNL this week as one of the musical guests 136 00:05:46,504 --> 00:05:51,784 Speaker 1: alongside Mikey Madison from Anora, who we love, and something happened. 137 00:05:52,104 --> 00:05:55,184 Speaker 1: So now I guess I'm like, there, what SNL correspondent 138 00:05:55,264 --> 00:05:55,944 Speaker 1: here on the spill? 139 00:05:56,104 --> 00:05:57,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, because even though it's been on our screens for 140 00:05:58,064 --> 00:06:01,144 Speaker 2: a really long time and super popular. Remember the first 141 00:06:01,144 --> 00:06:03,224 Speaker 2: time you pitched SNL and You're like, is this gonna 142 00:06:03,224 --> 00:06:04,824 Speaker 2: make people like SNL? And I was like, I think 143 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:08,064 Speaker 2: people do quite infamously. 144 00:06:08,104 --> 00:06:10,024 Speaker 1: I don't know. It was like what this year where 145 00:06:10,024 --> 00:06:11,424 Speaker 1: I just got amongst SNL? 146 00:06:11,504 --> 00:06:11,544 Speaker 2: No? 147 00:06:11,664 --> 00:06:14,384 Speaker 1: I love this fore anyway, so I'm back here with SNL. 148 00:06:14,544 --> 00:06:17,304 Speaker 1: So the thing is with SNL. When the show is over, 149 00:06:17,744 --> 00:06:20,024 Speaker 1: the host is at the front and all the cast 150 00:06:20,064 --> 00:06:22,664 Speaker 1: members and crew are behind them. They give a big 151 00:06:22,664 --> 00:06:24,944 Speaker 1: thank you to the audience, thank you for people watching. 152 00:06:25,304 --> 00:06:27,784 Speaker 1: The musical guest is also at the front because they're 153 00:06:27,784 --> 00:06:30,544 Speaker 1: both the guests, and then the credits roll, and as 154 00:06:30,584 --> 00:06:33,104 Speaker 1: the credits are rolling, the cameras are still on and 155 00:06:33,104 --> 00:06:35,464 Speaker 1: the cameras are just filming. Everyone kind of like. 156 00:06:35,544 --> 00:06:38,664 Speaker 2: Oh, look how great all that behind the scenes are. 157 00:06:38,704 --> 00:06:41,144 Speaker 2: And those behind the scenes and moments have often gone 158 00:06:41,224 --> 00:06:43,184 Speaker 2: like viral in their own right, and people watch them 159 00:06:43,224 --> 00:06:46,464 Speaker 2: because you're seeing the crowd interacting and they know they're 160 00:06:46,504 --> 00:06:48,864 Speaker 2: on camera. But like all that tension from the show 161 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:50,904 Speaker 2: has dropped, so you see people embracing, you see people 162 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:53,664 Speaker 2: having jokes, you see people like doing silly things, and 163 00:06:53,984 --> 00:06:55,664 Speaker 2: it's become its own moment of the show. 164 00:06:55,784 --> 00:06:57,424 Speaker 3: So the fact that this happened is it's. 165 00:06:57,344 --> 00:06:59,904 Speaker 1: A pretty interesting So as the class are like all 166 00:06:59,944 --> 00:07:02,704 Speaker 1: hugging each other and high fiving each other, you see 167 00:07:02,904 --> 00:07:06,904 Speaker 1: Morgan Wollen go say bye to Mikey Madison, like he 168 00:07:06,904 --> 00:07:09,144 Speaker 1: gives her a quick little hug, whispers something in the ear, 169 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:12,664 Speaker 1: and then he just walks off. So while everyone is 170 00:07:12,664 --> 00:07:14,704 Speaker 1: like hugging and stuff, and she also like looks at 171 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:17,264 Speaker 1: him walking off and then like straightaway diverts her attention 172 00:07:17,384 --> 00:07:20,064 Speaker 1: to pretend like she didn't react to that moment. But 173 00:07:20,144 --> 00:07:22,384 Speaker 1: he walks off in a way where he walks towards 174 00:07:22,424 --> 00:07:24,384 Speaker 1: the camera and then goes to the side of it. Yea, 175 00:07:24,504 --> 00:07:26,504 Speaker 1: So it was very obvious if you were a viewer 176 00:07:26,584 --> 00:07:28,544 Speaker 1: at home, even if you were in the audience there 177 00:07:28,584 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 1: in like watching the center stage, it was very obvious 178 00:07:31,744 --> 00:07:34,744 Speaker 1: that he didn't really do what your quote unquote supposed 179 00:07:34,784 --> 00:07:37,864 Speaker 1: to do as a guest on SNL. This is not 180 00:07:38,024 --> 00:07:41,224 Speaker 1: the first controversial thing he's done on SNL. So in 181 00:07:41,264 --> 00:07:43,544 Speaker 1: October twenty twenty, he was also meant to be a 182 00:07:43,624 --> 00:07:45,904 Speaker 1: musical guest on the show, and this was like in 183 00:07:45,944 --> 00:07:50,304 Speaker 1: the height of COVID. He was then spotted and photographed 184 00:07:50,704 --> 00:07:54,984 Speaker 1: out maskless partying, and it was alleged that he was 185 00:07:55,024 --> 00:07:59,744 Speaker 1: also kissing some women. Because of that, SNL uninvited him 186 00:07:59,864 --> 00:08:02,344 Speaker 1: good on the show, but they didn't joke. It wasn't 187 00:08:02,344 --> 00:08:04,864 Speaker 1: a joke. But then they reinvited him in December twenty 188 00:08:04,864 --> 00:08:06,984 Speaker 1: twenty and he kind of made a funny joke about that. 189 00:08:07,144 --> 00:08:09,704 Speaker 1: He's also been a bit of a controversial character, using 190 00:08:09,784 --> 00:08:12,944 Speaker 1: like race slurs a year after he's had some legal 191 00:08:12,984 --> 00:08:16,424 Speaker 1: troubles for throwing a chair for a rift bar in Nashville. 192 00:08:16,784 --> 00:08:19,744 Speaker 1: But he's also just a vibe, a really famous country singer. 193 00:08:20,184 --> 00:08:23,824 Speaker 1: So I think all of this compiled plus what he's 194 00:08:23,904 --> 00:08:27,744 Speaker 1: just done now has just made him just like come 195 00:08:27,904 --> 00:08:30,784 Speaker 1: into the I guess international spotlight. 196 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's so many people who, 197 00:08:33,664 --> 00:08:35,664 Speaker 2: as he said, I know, he's a very famous country 198 00:08:35,744 --> 00:08:37,704 Speaker 2: music singer and that's a huge industry, but there would 199 00:08:37,744 --> 00:08:39,904 Speaker 2: be a couple of people watching SNL who don't know 200 00:08:39,944 --> 00:08:41,384 Speaker 2: who he is. And now the only thing I know 201 00:08:41,424 --> 00:08:44,024 Speaker 2: about him is that it looks like he slighted Mikey 202 00:08:44,064 --> 00:08:46,744 Speaker 2: Madison or he had some sort of issue when he's 203 00:08:46,744 --> 00:08:50,104 Speaker 2: gone off, and that's really overshadowed the whole situation, which 204 00:08:50,264 --> 00:08:52,464 Speaker 2: I mean, the only other headline coming out of that 205 00:08:52,544 --> 00:08:55,104 Speaker 2: SNL episode. And if you saw this, everyone's saying that 206 00:08:55,184 --> 00:08:56,104 Speaker 2: Mikey Madison was a. 207 00:08:56,024 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 3: Really dull host. Oh did you see that incident? 208 00:08:58,424 --> 00:09:01,024 Speaker 2: Weekly is like literally like a review of Mikey Madison's 209 00:09:01,104 --> 00:09:05,144 Speaker 2: very dull SNL hosting, And so she's already dealing with 210 00:09:05,184 --> 00:09:07,344 Speaker 2: that and then he ran out to stage. It's making 211 00:09:07,384 --> 00:09:09,264 Speaker 2: it look like there was some sort of al And 212 00:09:09,264 --> 00:09:11,784 Speaker 2: apparently he also did in the rehearsal. I was reading 213 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:14,104 Speaker 2: from a few people, so maybe he just didn't want 214 00:09:14,104 --> 00:09:16,064 Speaker 2: to stay the end, but it is. 215 00:09:16,064 --> 00:09:18,984 Speaker 1: He did like post a really weird Instagram story after 216 00:09:19,064 --> 00:09:22,024 Speaker 1: on his private jet, and his correction was like, get 217 00:09:22,024 --> 00:09:22,984 Speaker 1: me to God's Country. 218 00:09:23,224 --> 00:09:25,024 Speaker 3: Everything I care about. This man's making me hate him. 219 00:09:25,984 --> 00:09:28,224 Speaker 2: Mind a bit of a rogue, you know, music style, 220 00:09:28,224 --> 00:09:30,624 Speaker 2: Like they're supposed to have all these crazy stories and stuff. 221 00:09:30,664 --> 00:09:32,304 Speaker 2: So even though I wouldn't condone throwing a chair for 222 00:09:32,304 --> 00:09:33,704 Speaker 2: a balcony, I understand. 223 00:09:33,384 --> 00:09:34,904 Speaker 1: I have listened to some of his music. 224 00:09:34,944 --> 00:09:36,144 Speaker 3: Oh really, you've really researched? 225 00:09:36,224 --> 00:09:38,384 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, because I was like, who is this man? 226 00:09:38,544 --> 00:09:41,144 Speaker 1: So I listened to some of his music and can 227 00:09:41,184 --> 00:09:41,704 Speaker 1: I say. 228 00:09:41,544 --> 00:09:42,264 Speaker 3: It say it. 229 00:09:42,864 --> 00:09:44,864 Speaker 1: I feel like, if you're going to be acting like that, 230 00:09:44,984 --> 00:09:48,584 Speaker 1: you should be a bit more talented. That's my two cents. 231 00:09:48,744 --> 00:09:49,704 Speaker 1: That's my two cents. 232 00:09:49,824 --> 00:09:51,024 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the review we needed. 233 00:09:52,984 --> 00:09:55,824 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Kim Kardashian has been the headlines. I mean, 234 00:09:55,824 --> 00:09:58,024 Speaker 2: I know she's always in the headlines to an extent 235 00:09:58,104 --> 00:10:00,304 Speaker 2: by her own device, but she's been the headlines this 236 00:10:00,384 --> 00:10:02,624 Speaker 2: week for a couple of different things that and not 237 00:10:02,664 --> 00:10:05,064 Speaker 2: exactly I think the content that she would want out there. 238 00:10:05,424 --> 00:10:06,744 Speaker 2: One of them, I will say at the top, and 239 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:08,944 Speaker 2: then we'll move on, because I don't want to keep 240 00:10:08,984 --> 00:10:12,864 Speaker 2: reporting on every crazy, awful, terrible thing that this man does. 241 00:10:13,024 --> 00:10:16,104 Speaker 2: But the big headline around at the moment is that 242 00:10:16,464 --> 00:10:20,224 Speaker 2: Kanye West gave an interview dressed in a Nazi costume. 243 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:22,624 Speaker 2: At some stage, like it's just getting so like, someone 244 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:25,384 Speaker 2: take that man away. It's just getting completely out of 245 00:10:25,504 --> 00:10:28,304 Speaker 2: control and quite dangerous. And in that he says that 246 00:10:28,384 --> 00:10:31,504 Speaker 2: he never wanted to have kids with Kim kardashi In 247 00:10:31,904 --> 00:10:34,064 Speaker 2: and goes on to say all these terrible things about 248 00:10:34,064 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 2: her in the context of like being a mother and 249 00:10:35,984 --> 00:10:39,264 Speaker 2: being a co parent with him, which would be terrible 250 00:10:39,304 --> 00:10:42,624 Speaker 2: in any sort of circumstance, but particularly because the custody 251 00:10:42,624 --> 00:10:46,064 Speaker 2: around their children in the custody case is also being 252 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:49,384 Speaker 2: like reframed and re loooked at because all these stories 253 00:10:49,424 --> 00:10:51,344 Speaker 2: came out and then were like confirmed to be true 254 00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:54,344 Speaker 2: that Northwest, who's the oldest of their four children, was 255 00:10:54,384 --> 00:10:57,264 Speaker 2: over at Kanye's residence during like a scheduled visit and 256 00:10:57,344 --> 00:11:00,664 Speaker 2: he invited Andrew Tate over and when Kim kardashi got 257 00:11:00,704 --> 00:11:02,904 Speaker 2: wind of that, she had to race over with her 258 00:11:02,944 --> 00:11:04,944 Speaker 2: security and like pull North out. And now there's like 259 00:11:04,984 --> 00:11:06,864 Speaker 2: a lot of contention over who he's having to the 260 00:11:06,904 --> 00:11:10,024 Speaker 2: house and stuff, which I guess is, you know, shouldn't 261 00:11:10,064 --> 00:11:11,944 Speaker 2: really be a public matter, but it's just because they 262 00:11:11,984 --> 00:11:14,904 Speaker 2: live their lives in a public way that it's really escalated. 263 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:18,184 Speaker 1: Was like he didn't want to have children, Kim Kardashian, 264 00:11:18,224 --> 00:11:20,024 Speaker 1: when your children are old enough to read that. 265 00:11:20,144 --> 00:11:23,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And again a lot of other terrible things 266 00:11:23,424 --> 00:11:26,984 Speaker 2: are being said in that context, but that again has 267 00:11:27,024 --> 00:11:30,384 Speaker 2: just now become like the overriding headline around this. And 268 00:11:30,504 --> 00:11:32,144 Speaker 2: to be fair, like again, I know that we don't 269 00:11:32,144 --> 00:11:34,064 Speaker 2: want to keep policing this and keep saying the same 270 00:11:34,064 --> 00:11:35,944 Speaker 2: thing over and over again, which is what Kanye is 271 00:11:35,944 --> 00:11:38,424 Speaker 2: saying every time he opens his mouth at the moment 272 00:11:38,544 --> 00:11:41,984 Speaker 2: is really dangerous. And not just to Kim Kardashian, even 273 00:11:41,984 --> 00:11:43,784 Speaker 2: though that would be a terrible situation for her to 274 00:11:43,824 --> 00:11:45,664 Speaker 2: be in, but to all the minority groups that he 275 00:11:45,744 --> 00:11:49,384 Speaker 2: keeps attacking, all like the violence rhetoric that he keeps spreading. 276 00:11:49,824 --> 00:11:52,224 Speaker 2: So that is around and on top of that, this week, 277 00:11:52,264 --> 00:11:54,624 Speaker 2: there's a story circulating that gained a lot of traction 278 00:11:55,144 --> 00:11:58,024 Speaker 2: and was being reported very wildly and took a couple 279 00:11:58,064 --> 00:12:00,304 Speaker 2: of days to die down, and that is the fact 280 00:12:00,384 --> 00:12:04,264 Speaker 2: that Kim Kardashian was suing Lana del Rey. Well, sweet 281 00:12:04,304 --> 00:12:06,144 Speaker 2: Lana Delray who just wants to be married to her 282 00:12:06,144 --> 00:12:06,784 Speaker 2: crocodile man. 283 00:12:08,784 --> 00:12:10,024 Speaker 1: Yes, of course it's all together. 284 00:12:10,464 --> 00:12:12,864 Speaker 3: It's true as far as I know. It's true love. 285 00:12:13,384 --> 00:12:15,664 Speaker 1: Okay, So she's living her best life and then she 286 00:12:15,824 --> 00:12:19,464 Speaker 1: just what gets a letter from Kim Kardashian saying I'm 287 00:12:19,464 --> 00:12:19,824 Speaker 1: suing it. 288 00:12:20,184 --> 00:12:20,384 Speaker 3: Yes. 289 00:12:20,464 --> 00:12:24,304 Speaker 2: So the kind of backstory here is that Kim Kardashian, 290 00:12:24,384 --> 00:12:26,344 Speaker 2: for you know, many many years, like a lot of people, 291 00:12:26,344 --> 00:12:28,944 Speaker 2: has always said that Lana Delray is her favorite singer. 292 00:12:29,144 --> 00:12:30,984 Speaker 1: Are the friends? I thought they were friends? They? 293 00:12:31,184 --> 00:12:33,424 Speaker 2: Yes, they are friends to the point where Kim Kardashian 294 00:12:33,464 --> 00:12:35,504 Speaker 2: is such a fan of Lana del Ray's music that like, 295 00:12:35,544 --> 00:12:38,784 Speaker 2: her music was being played when Kanye West proposed to her. 296 00:12:38,784 --> 00:12:40,544 Speaker 2: You know that the big football field where he was 297 00:12:40,584 --> 00:12:42,584 Speaker 2: like came up on the sign will you marry me please? 298 00:12:42,624 --> 00:12:45,064 Speaker 2: They have a live orchestra playing her song, and then 299 00:12:45,344 --> 00:12:48,624 Speaker 2: Lana Delray performed. She was at Kim Kardashian and Kanye 300 00:12:48,704 --> 00:12:51,584 Speaker 2: West's wedding festivities, but she performed at the big pre 301 00:12:51,784 --> 00:12:55,184 Speaker 2: party they had the night before, and that also weirdly 302 00:12:55,224 --> 00:12:57,824 Speaker 2: went viral because there were all these allegations going around 303 00:12:57,864 --> 00:13:00,304 Speaker 2: that they had like pulled her out of another work 304 00:13:00,344 --> 00:13:02,584 Speaker 2: committment and paid her all this money. And then Lana 305 00:13:02,584 --> 00:13:05,544 Speaker 2: Delray came out and said, they're my friends. I would 306 00:13:05,624 --> 00:13:07,784 Speaker 2: never charge them to be performing at their wedding. I 307 00:13:07,784 --> 00:13:10,224 Speaker 2: did it as a friend. So she's also been part 308 00:13:10,264 --> 00:13:13,424 Speaker 2: of a Skim's campaign, which is obviously Kim Kardashian's brand, 309 00:13:13,864 --> 00:13:16,864 Speaker 2: and this story that really again, I mean, there a 310 00:13:16,944 --> 00:13:19,984 Speaker 2: lot of rumors are always out there, especially about Kim Kardashian, 311 00:13:20,304 --> 00:13:22,584 Speaker 2: but what was interesting at this one is like how 312 00:13:22,864 --> 00:13:26,464 Speaker 2: widely it's spread and how many publications were reporting it 313 00:13:26,504 --> 00:13:28,624 Speaker 2: as facts. So you've probably seen all the headlines around, 314 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:30,784 Speaker 2: all the tiktoks, all that sort of stuff that Kim 315 00:13:30,864 --> 00:13:34,664 Speaker 2: Kardashian was suing Lana Delray for one million dollars because 316 00:13:34,944 --> 00:13:39,944 Speaker 2: Lana Delray posted two Valentine's Day campaigns, four skims that 317 00:13:40,064 --> 00:13:43,824 Speaker 2: did not include the words like hashtag ad or use 318 00:13:43,864 --> 00:13:46,504 Speaker 2: the paid partnership tag. So they would have been in 319 00:13:46,544 --> 00:13:48,704 Speaker 2: trouble for like, because there's all these legal standards. 320 00:13:48,704 --> 00:13:49,864 Speaker 3: I mean, you you paid stuff on your. 321 00:13:49,784 --> 00:13:51,864 Speaker 1: Own, so give and I know you have to do. Yeah, 322 00:13:51,904 --> 00:13:54,304 Speaker 1: alanad Raight, come on, and she's the whole team working 323 00:13:54,344 --> 00:13:55,024 Speaker 1: for her to do this. 324 00:13:55,384 --> 00:13:57,224 Speaker 2: I know at first when I heard it, like it 325 00:13:57,224 --> 00:13:58,904 Speaker 2: did like a bit of a wild story in terms 326 00:13:58,944 --> 00:14:01,544 Speaker 2: of like I don't know why Lana Delray would refuse 327 00:14:01,664 --> 00:14:04,824 Speaker 2: to put a paid partnership tag on her Instagram. And also, yeah, 328 00:14:04,824 --> 00:14:07,224 Speaker 2: I'm assuming she's not actually running any of her Instagram. 329 00:14:07,304 --> 00:14:08,904 Speaker 2: I don't even think she does paid ads, Like that's 330 00:14:08,904 --> 00:14:09,824 Speaker 2: not really her vibe. 331 00:14:09,824 --> 00:14:11,184 Speaker 3: She's in m at her core. 332 00:14:11,504 --> 00:14:14,064 Speaker 2: But also Lana Delray is someone who's just I guess 333 00:14:14,064 --> 00:14:15,944 Speaker 2: it's her vibe to be a little bit out of 334 00:14:16,304 --> 00:14:18,464 Speaker 2: what's happening, and she has a team that handles the 335 00:14:18,504 --> 00:14:21,344 Speaker 2: business side, and she's the one who comes on late 336 00:14:21,344 --> 00:14:23,384 Speaker 2: to music festivals because she spent two hours getting her 337 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:25,944 Speaker 2: hair done and didn't know that there was a schedule. 338 00:14:25,984 --> 00:14:27,584 Speaker 2: And she's also the one that didn't know you had 339 00:14:27,624 --> 00:14:30,024 Speaker 2: to submit yourself the Grammy Awards. So there's an interview 340 00:14:30,064 --> 00:14:31,824 Speaker 2: her with her being like, I thought you just got chosen. 341 00:14:31,864 --> 00:14:33,464 Speaker 2: Her team's like, no, no, we submit. 342 00:14:33,224 --> 00:14:35,104 Speaker 3: You, like that's how you get here. Like she's just 343 00:14:35,304 --> 00:14:37,144 Speaker 3: it's not her job to know about she's. 344 00:14:37,064 --> 00:14:39,424 Speaker 1: Living the best life in the swamp, but she should 345 00:14:39,544 --> 00:14:41,944 Speaker 1: know because like everyone knows, or someone on her team 346 00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:45,584 Speaker 1: should know that if a brand is paying you to 347 00:14:45,704 --> 00:14:49,024 Speaker 1: post certain photos to promote a product, even if you're 348 00:14:49,064 --> 00:14:51,584 Speaker 1: not outrightly promoting the product and you're just like, look 349 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:54,864 Speaker 1: how good I look in this like Bralette, that is 350 00:14:54,904 --> 00:14:57,024 Speaker 1: still counted as a paid post and you have to 351 00:14:57,064 --> 00:15:00,624 Speaker 1: disclose that to your audience otherwise that's just misleading advertising. 352 00:15:01,104 --> 00:15:05,424 Speaker 1: So I understand the sewing because because it's such a 353 00:15:05,424 --> 00:15:08,984 Speaker 1: big brand and they have so much money that Instagram 354 00:15:09,024 --> 00:15:12,424 Speaker 1: could like get involved and that would be on Kim Kardashian, 355 00:15:12,504 --> 00:15:14,584 Speaker 1: So obviously She's like, well, it's not really my fault. 356 00:15:14,584 --> 00:15:16,624 Speaker 1: It's actually in Lana's fault. So she's the one who 357 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:17,464 Speaker 1: should be paying for this. 358 00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:18,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 359 00:15:19,184 --> 00:15:20,984 Speaker 2: So you know how every soft and Lana del Ray 360 00:15:21,024 --> 00:15:24,584 Speaker 2: will just jump into someone's Instagram comments and comment on 361 00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:26,944 Speaker 2: something that's happening, and then she'll kind of like just 362 00:15:26,944 --> 00:15:29,904 Speaker 2: saunte back into her like ethereal life and she lives 363 00:15:29,944 --> 00:15:30,704 Speaker 2: with the crocodiles. 364 00:15:30,744 --> 00:15:30,904 Speaker 3: Now. 365 00:15:31,024 --> 00:15:33,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, so with this, she commented on one of the 366 00:15:33,344 --> 00:15:36,184 Speaker 2: stories and said, no, this isn't happening, not as far 367 00:15:36,264 --> 00:15:38,824 Speaker 2: as either one of us know. I was like, I'm 368 00:15:38,824 --> 00:15:40,544 Speaker 2: sure one of you would know if what was happening. 369 00:15:40,904 --> 00:15:43,504 Speaker 2: She said, I don't know where this started. But if 370 00:15:43,504 --> 00:15:45,544 Speaker 2: for some reason it does have to happen because of 371 00:15:45,584 --> 00:15:48,144 Speaker 2: the guidelines, then we will handle it, but it will 372 00:15:48,144 --> 00:15:50,384 Speaker 2: never end a friendship. So you're talking about the advertising 373 00:15:50,424 --> 00:15:53,384 Speaker 2: standard guidelines. Here's where it gets a little I guess 374 00:15:53,464 --> 00:15:55,704 Speaker 2: people are kind of coming out with some theories around this. 375 00:15:55,984 --> 00:15:58,064 Speaker 2: There's always a theory with the Kardashians, and like with 376 00:15:58,064 --> 00:16:01,984 Speaker 2: the Kardashian machine that's at work is that when these 377 00:16:02,024 --> 00:16:05,024 Speaker 2: sort of silly stories bubble up. So it's something that 378 00:16:05,064 --> 00:16:08,224 Speaker 2: can be easily disproven, or it's a very light scandal, 379 00:16:08,304 --> 00:16:10,264 Speaker 2: or it's like a good news about who's dating her 380 00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:13,664 Speaker 2: will something like that. That those stories are planted by 381 00:16:13,704 --> 00:16:16,584 Speaker 2: someone in the team, and they bubble up when something 382 00:16:16,704 --> 00:16:20,104 Speaker 2: big Jenna, Yeah, when something else big is happening behind 383 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:22,544 Speaker 2: the scenes. It's the same way where people think that 384 00:16:22,624 --> 00:16:25,424 Speaker 2: every time Kim Kardashian goes platinum blonde, it's because she's 385 00:16:25,424 --> 00:16:26,064 Speaker 2: had worked. 386 00:16:25,864 --> 00:16:27,824 Speaker 3: On her face. I don't know if that's true. I'm 387 00:16:27,824 --> 00:16:28,584 Speaker 3: not commenting on that. 388 00:16:28,504 --> 00:16:30,864 Speaker 1: But I'm not looking at the face because we're so distracted. 389 00:16:30,504 --> 00:16:32,424 Speaker 2: By sot by the hair, and the hair makes you 390 00:16:32,464 --> 00:16:33,624 Speaker 2: look so different. 391 00:16:33,384 --> 00:16:34,904 Speaker 1: And then you get like a Pete Davidson on your 392 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:35,944 Speaker 1: arm and double distraction. 393 00:16:36,024 --> 00:16:40,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and no one. So what people are thinking 394 00:16:40,544 --> 00:16:42,944 Speaker 2: is that that story was planted by someone. The Lana 395 00:16:42,984 --> 00:16:46,184 Speaker 2: del Rey story was planted by someone in Kim Kardashian's 396 00:16:46,184 --> 00:16:48,064 Speaker 2: team to blow up to just struck from all the 397 00:16:48,144 --> 00:16:50,944 Speaker 2: Kanye stuff and all the allegations that are happening there, 398 00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:53,504 Speaker 2: because apparently there's also worse stuff that's going to come 399 00:16:53,544 --> 00:16:57,344 Speaker 2: out from him. And then this story that's easily disproven, 400 00:16:57,424 --> 00:16:59,504 Speaker 2: but everyone latched on too, because it's like two famous 401 00:16:59,544 --> 00:17:00,784 Speaker 2: women potentially fighting. 402 00:17:00,864 --> 00:17:02,864 Speaker 1: Well, they forgot to tell Lana about it. He's just 403 00:17:02,864 --> 00:17:05,264 Speaker 1: commented telling us it's not true. I know, and I 404 00:17:05,304 --> 00:17:06,184 Speaker 1: went back on Kanye. 405 00:17:06,464 --> 00:17:07,184 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 406 00:17:07,224 --> 00:17:09,344 Speaker 2: I mean in a way, I guess it kind of 407 00:17:09,384 --> 00:17:12,224 Speaker 2: worked because I've seen much more people reporting on the 408 00:17:12,264 --> 00:17:14,664 Speaker 2: Lana del Ray story than on the Kanye story, if 409 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:17,424 Speaker 2: that's even what they did. But also Lana coming out 410 00:17:17,544 --> 00:17:19,384 Speaker 2: is actually a good kind of end to the loop, 411 00:17:19,464 --> 00:17:21,264 Speaker 2: and she's done in a comment, so it's all very 412 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:24,584 Speaker 2: kind of like, no huge statement, not giving any more 413 00:17:24,624 --> 00:17:28,704 Speaker 2: fuel to the fire, just being like and our friendship 414 00:17:28,704 --> 00:17:30,384 Speaker 2: hasn't ended, so it's coming out in a good way. 415 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:33,744 Speaker 2: I'm sure the Kharadashians do have levers they pull to 416 00:17:34,704 --> 00:17:37,504 Speaker 2: move stories around and get things covered, and I feel 417 00:17:37,504 --> 00:17:41,584 Speaker 2: like they definitely do release information as a destruction. I 418 00:17:41,624 --> 00:17:44,104 Speaker 2: don't know if it's as blatant as this, Yeah, but 419 00:17:44,184 --> 00:17:47,144 Speaker 2: also desperate times because coming in is coming out this 420 00:17:47,224 --> 00:17:49,344 Speaker 2: controversial stuff every week, so they're gonna have to keep 421 00:17:49,384 --> 00:17:51,424 Speaker 2: throwing stuff into the mix to cover it. 422 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:54,064 Speaker 1: Chris Jenna has tricked a lot of headlines, has checked 423 00:17:54,144 --> 00:18:00,224 Speaker 1: us over no we got this, so chapel Roan has 424 00:18:00,464 --> 00:18:03,544 Speaker 1: done an interview with Alex Cooper for her podcast Call 425 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:06,784 Speaker 1: Her Daddy. I think this is one of the more 426 00:18:06,864 --> 00:18:09,864 Speaker 1: of the virally ones that Alex Cooper has done, just 427 00:18:09,864 --> 00:18:13,544 Speaker 1: because I say so many clips of this all over 428 00:18:13,584 --> 00:18:15,464 Speaker 1: TikTok all over my Instagram feed. 429 00:18:15,584 --> 00:18:18,864 Speaker 2: Well chaplorone doesn't really do interviews like yeah, and so 430 00:18:18,904 --> 00:18:22,144 Speaker 2: it's really like such an interesting insight to someone who 431 00:18:22,264 --> 00:18:24,264 Speaker 2: we obviously all know her music and we love that. 432 00:18:24,424 --> 00:18:27,064 Speaker 2: But what we've mostly seen from her in the last 433 00:18:27,104 --> 00:18:29,384 Speaker 2: couple of months is her getting like angry at fans 434 00:18:29,584 --> 00:18:31,944 Speaker 2: in online video is and angry at people stalking her 435 00:18:31,984 --> 00:18:34,464 Speaker 2: and her family, or her yelling at paparazzi on her 436 00:18:34,464 --> 00:18:37,544 Speaker 2: red carpet, And so you're only seeing that side of her. 437 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:41,384 Speaker 2: You don't really see this like long form interview, vulnerable side. 438 00:18:41,464 --> 00:18:44,304 Speaker 1: And I think Alex Cooper, like Chapel rone is like 439 00:18:44,344 --> 00:18:48,064 Speaker 1: her perfect clientele. I feel like Alex Cooper works so 440 00:18:48,224 --> 00:18:51,664 Speaker 1: well with a specific type of celebrity woman. Yeah, and 441 00:18:51,704 --> 00:18:54,024 Speaker 1: it's the celebrity woman who just has so much to 442 00:18:54,064 --> 00:18:57,224 Speaker 1: talk about their life more than the celebrity aspect of themselves. 443 00:18:57,304 --> 00:18:59,984 Speaker 1: And she leaned into that and she does that really well. 444 00:19:00,024 --> 00:19:02,624 Speaker 1: And the interview, like usually with these interviews for Call 445 00:19:02,664 --> 00:19:04,864 Speaker 1: Her Daddy, they'll be like one massive takeaway, And with 446 00:19:04,904 --> 00:19:07,064 Speaker 1: the Chapel Roone one, I feel like that's so much 447 00:19:07,384 --> 00:19:09,664 Speaker 1: in that whole interview that she would have made so 448 00:19:09,744 --> 00:19:11,784 Speaker 1: much money on that, so that people are just constantly 449 00:19:11,824 --> 00:19:14,304 Speaker 1: talking about And you're right, I think we've talked about 450 00:19:14,344 --> 00:19:17,304 Speaker 1: Chapel Roane. We started talking about her like well after 451 00:19:17,424 --> 00:19:20,024 Speaker 1: she was like in the Spotlight, but also about how 452 00:19:20,064 --> 00:19:24,264 Speaker 1: she has been quite honest with how she feels towards fame, yeah, 453 00:19:24,384 --> 00:19:27,424 Speaker 1: and how she feels like being famous doesn't mean that 454 00:19:27,464 --> 00:19:29,984 Speaker 1: people should just be able to approach you and stalk you, 455 00:19:30,544 --> 00:19:32,824 Speaker 1: and that fans get too carried away. And we've been 456 00:19:32,864 --> 00:19:35,024 Speaker 1: both like critical of that and like on her side 457 00:19:35,024 --> 00:19:37,384 Speaker 1: of that, and she talks about like her issues with 458 00:19:37,464 --> 00:19:40,824 Speaker 1: stalking and stuff and how now she has more security 459 00:19:40,904 --> 00:19:43,384 Speaker 1: and like, as you said, she has a more private life. Yeah, 460 00:19:43,424 --> 00:19:44,544 Speaker 1: she doesn't do these big interviews. 461 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:45,384 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, like. 462 00:19:45,304 --> 00:19:47,304 Speaker 2: And I'm not proud of this, but I went into 463 00:19:47,344 --> 00:19:49,464 Speaker 2: this interview with like almost like a bit of an 464 00:19:49,504 --> 00:19:51,224 Speaker 2: eye roll, like, oh no, I'm going to have to 465 00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:53,664 Speaker 2: listen to this woman complain about her how terrible her 466 00:19:53,664 --> 00:19:55,384 Speaker 2: life is for an hour, and I don't want to 467 00:19:55,384 --> 00:19:57,584 Speaker 2: think that because obviously, like I'm a human woman. 468 00:19:57,344 --> 00:19:58,984 Speaker 3: With a soul. I love her music. 469 00:19:59,424 --> 00:20:01,464 Speaker 2: And also it's hard because she says a lot of 470 00:20:01,504 --> 00:20:04,144 Speaker 2: other stuff in interviews that is not negative, and that 471 00:20:04,264 --> 00:20:07,664 Speaker 2: is not this complaining about fans and complaining about fame 472 00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:08,544 Speaker 2: and obviously. 473 00:20:08,184 --> 00:20:09,144 Speaker 3: Not condoning the stalking. 474 00:20:09,184 --> 00:20:11,104 Speaker 2: But even when she's like, oh, I hate people like 475 00:20:11,144 --> 00:20:12,824 Speaker 2: scream out at me when I walk past them, more 476 00:20:12,864 --> 00:20:14,544 Speaker 2: people come and say hello to me, and I'm like, Okay, 477 00:20:14,544 --> 00:20:16,944 Speaker 2: I know that's hard, but like it's just hard because 478 00:20:17,544 --> 00:20:19,184 Speaker 2: it got to the stage where all you ever hearing 479 00:20:19,264 --> 00:20:22,704 Speaker 2: is like chapel Roone screamed fans, chapple Rone screamed a photographer, 480 00:20:22,784 --> 00:20:24,904 Speaker 2: chuppel Rone, hope she doesn't win a Grammy and doesn't 481 00:20:24,984 --> 00:20:26,304 Speaker 2: want to be there, And you get to the stage, 482 00:20:26,344 --> 00:20:28,424 Speaker 2: we're like, well, the just don't be there, Like, yeah, 483 00:20:28,464 --> 00:20:30,744 Speaker 2: we stick of hearing this negativity, But then I also 484 00:20:30,824 --> 00:20:33,744 Speaker 2: understand that that's what's been filtered through. So I did 485 00:20:33,944 --> 00:20:37,264 Speaker 2: obviously like her a lot more listening to this interview, 486 00:20:37,304 --> 00:20:39,464 Speaker 2: and this is why she alwaystened to the full interview 487 00:20:39,464 --> 00:20:41,864 Speaker 2: and not the soundbites because the soundbites will never tell 488 00:20:41,864 --> 00:20:42,504 Speaker 2: the full story. 489 00:20:42,704 --> 00:20:44,944 Speaker 1: Remember when she did that big I don't want to 490 00:20:44,944 --> 00:20:47,664 Speaker 1: say complained, but you remember when she just like posted 491 00:20:47,744 --> 00:20:50,384 Speaker 1: on TikTok like it was like monologues about how she 492 00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:53,264 Speaker 1: feels about stalking, and it were completely unedited. It was 493 00:20:53,304 --> 00:20:55,624 Speaker 1: so clear that it wasn't run past like anyone in 494 00:20:55,664 --> 00:20:58,744 Speaker 1: her team, and it was just very vulnerable and honest. 495 00:20:58,784 --> 00:21:00,864 Speaker 1: But obviously when you post videos like that, especially when 496 00:21:00,904 --> 00:21:03,264 Speaker 1: you have a status like her, you will say the 497 00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:05,824 Speaker 1: wrong thing and it will get like thrown out of proportion. 498 00:21:06,304 --> 00:21:09,064 Speaker 1: And I think after her probably going through that, the 499 00:21:09,064 --> 00:21:12,144 Speaker 1: way she talked about stalking, this interview was like more 500 00:21:12,184 --> 00:21:14,624 Speaker 1: well rounded. Yeah, and we saw a bigger picture and 501 00:21:14,664 --> 00:21:17,424 Speaker 1: she gave more insight into what actually happened to her, 502 00:21:17,544 --> 00:21:20,064 Speaker 1: which made me feel terrible for some of the stuff 503 00:21:20,104 --> 00:21:22,944 Speaker 1: I said about her. And I think the way she 504 00:21:23,104 --> 00:21:26,384 Speaker 1: explained it was she firstly didn't need to, but I 505 00:21:26,424 --> 00:21:29,264 Speaker 1: think it worked for her that she was so vulnerable 506 00:21:29,264 --> 00:21:31,824 Speaker 1: in that aspect. The second thing that everyone's talking about is, 507 00:21:31,864 --> 00:21:34,984 Speaker 1: like you mentioned in the beginning, is her talking about 508 00:21:35,064 --> 00:21:39,104 Speaker 1: how her friends with young children are quote in health. 509 00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:41,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how she's never met a parent who's happy 510 00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:45,104 Speaker 2: and on that. She didn't actually say all parents are 511 00:21:45,144 --> 00:21:47,984 Speaker 2: unhappy or anything like that. She said, I have personally 512 00:21:48,064 --> 00:21:50,504 Speaker 2: never met one, like that's just her own experience. Yeah, 513 00:21:50,544 --> 00:21:53,304 Speaker 2: And so I think for everyone who's saying, like, oh, 514 00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:55,824 Speaker 2: she said motherhood's awful, like she didn't actually say that. 515 00:21:56,264 --> 00:21:59,984 Speaker 2: In saying that, I understand this visceral response you have 516 00:22:00,304 --> 00:22:03,304 Speaker 2: when you feel like someone is challenging your life and 517 00:22:03,344 --> 00:22:06,584 Speaker 2: your choices. Because if she had said I'd never met 518 00:22:06,624 --> 00:22:09,824 Speaker 2: a single person who's happy, they're all really unhappy. I 519 00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:11,984 Speaker 2: would have been really upset about that, and I would 520 00:22:12,024 --> 00:22:14,504 Speaker 2: have been like, you know, you're really just lumping everyone 521 00:22:14,544 --> 00:22:17,424 Speaker 2: and how you don't understand people's experience and stuff. So 522 00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:19,944 Speaker 2: I understand when it's like your life choice that's being 523 00:22:19,984 --> 00:22:23,184 Speaker 2: put under a microscope. I've seen all the all of them, 524 00:22:23,184 --> 00:22:25,064 Speaker 2: because that would be the end of TikTok. But I've 525 00:22:25,064 --> 00:22:27,264 Speaker 2: seen like the hundreds of videos that parents have put 526 00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:29,784 Speaker 2: up in response to what chapel Rone said, and I 527 00:22:29,864 --> 00:22:32,744 Speaker 2: understand it. But I do think it's just her personal experience. 528 00:22:32,864 --> 00:22:35,304 Speaker 1: But I think it also does make sense what she's 529 00:22:35,344 --> 00:22:38,864 Speaker 1: saying because personally. Also, there's not a lot of people 530 00:22:38,944 --> 00:22:40,704 Speaker 1: in my life, like I'm sure, like I know a 531 00:22:40,704 --> 00:22:44,904 Speaker 1: lot of parents, but the first emotion I like learned 532 00:22:44,904 --> 00:22:47,704 Speaker 1: from them was not happiness for being a parent. And 533 00:22:47,744 --> 00:22:51,064 Speaker 1: I think that comes from being the person with our 534 00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:54,584 Speaker 1: children in your friendship group. And it's like such a 535 00:22:54,624 --> 00:22:57,224 Speaker 1: beautiful position to be in because then your friends who 536 00:22:57,304 --> 00:23:01,184 Speaker 1: are moms and dads come to you with like issues 537 00:23:01,224 --> 00:23:03,664 Speaker 1: and complaints, and you're that like outlet for them to 538 00:23:03,744 --> 00:23:05,864 Speaker 1: like let go. Yeah, And we have talked about in 539 00:23:05,944 --> 00:23:07,744 Speaker 1: the office because we do have a lot of coworkers 540 00:23:07,744 --> 00:23:10,024 Speaker 1: who are parents and who have actually said, I really 541 00:23:10,064 --> 00:23:11,864 Speaker 1: need to stop complaining about being a parent because I 542 00:23:11,904 --> 00:23:13,904 Speaker 1: feel like that's all I do. But it's nice to 543 00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:15,984 Speaker 1: be that outlet. But at the same time, if that's 544 00:23:16,064 --> 00:23:19,064 Speaker 1: all you're seeing, that's probably like ends up being the 545 00:23:19,144 --> 00:23:21,344 Speaker 1: truth you find in parenting. Yeah, exactly. 546 00:23:21,424 --> 00:23:24,504 Speaker 2: And then also it's hard because then there's people go 547 00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:27,184 Speaker 2: the other way, and I find that worse and more confronting, 548 00:23:27,264 --> 00:23:29,864 Speaker 2: like the real smug parents who were just like, oh, 549 00:23:29,944 --> 00:23:32,464 Speaker 2: I just I never knew happiness until now. I'd never 550 00:23:32,504 --> 00:23:35,104 Speaker 2: cared about another person until now, I'm like, wait a second, 551 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:37,024 Speaker 2: you have that baby at thirty five, you never cared 552 00:23:37,024 --> 00:23:38,304 Speaker 2: about another person till now. 553 00:23:38,384 --> 00:23:39,224 Speaker 3: You should look into that. 554 00:23:39,224 --> 00:23:41,264 Speaker 1: And I thought I was your best friend. I guess 555 00:23:41,304 --> 00:23:44,904 Speaker 1: not maybe for my emergency contact, I guess yeah. 556 00:23:44,944 --> 00:23:47,224 Speaker 2: So, I mean it's a very fraught thing because it's 557 00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:48,744 Speaker 2: like with anything in life, you want to walk that 558 00:23:48,784 --> 00:23:51,304 Speaker 2: line between being like grateful and talking about the good 559 00:23:51,304 --> 00:23:53,424 Speaker 2: stuff but also sharing the bad stuff. So I just 560 00:23:53,504 --> 00:23:55,944 Speaker 2: think tuble Rone, she just said it. Honestly, she didn't 561 00:23:55,944 --> 00:23:57,344 Speaker 2: know what was going to blow up in such a way. 562 00:23:57,384 --> 00:23:59,024 Speaker 2: But it's been an interesting conversation. 563 00:23:59,184 --> 00:24:01,504 Speaker 1: It has, And there was this one part of the 564 00:24:01,704 --> 00:24:05,584 Speaker 1: conversation that I absolutely latched on and I feel like 565 00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:09,224 Speaker 1: no one else has. And it's when Alex Cooper asked 566 00:24:09,264 --> 00:24:12,424 Speaker 1: her about relationship and this is what she said. We 567 00:24:12,624 --> 00:24:17,304 Speaker 1: are you single? No, you're fucking lying. No, you're lying. 568 00:24:18,064 --> 00:24:21,144 Speaker 1: You're fucking lying to me right now, chapel. 569 00:24:21,984 --> 00:24:22,464 Speaker 3: How long? 570 00:24:23,104 --> 00:24:23,784 Speaker 1: Six months? 571 00:24:23,944 --> 00:24:30,384 Speaker 3: Is it casual? No? Serious, it's serious. It's serious because 572 00:24:30,424 --> 00:24:32,624 Speaker 3: I'm very in love. But I am pro single. 573 00:24:32,824 --> 00:24:36,904 Speaker 1: Everyone should be single. I'm serious. Okay, come on, what's 574 00:24:36,944 --> 00:24:37,424 Speaker 1: the question? 575 00:24:38,104 --> 00:24:40,704 Speaker 3: How'd you meet their friend? 576 00:24:41,104 --> 00:24:44,344 Speaker 1: But it wasn't a setup? Okay, just like, yeah, I 577 00:24:44,424 --> 00:24:44,744 Speaker 1: was just like. 578 00:24:44,704 --> 00:24:47,584 Speaker 3: At A who made the first move Me. 579 00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:51,664 Speaker 1: I'm usually the one to make I like, in every circumstance, 580 00:24:51,984 --> 00:24:52,944 Speaker 1: I make the first move. 581 00:24:53,064 --> 00:24:55,624 Speaker 2: Sometimes she sounds like such a sullen teenage and I 582 00:24:55,664 --> 00:24:57,984 Speaker 2: say that with love in my heart for this woman, 583 00:24:58,064 --> 00:25:01,184 Speaker 2: who is just a beautiful, little creative soul. 584 00:25:01,704 --> 00:25:05,464 Speaker 1: Sorry, Chapel Roon Has. I know she said it, but 585 00:25:05,464 --> 00:25:09,104 Speaker 1: I want to say has allegedly been in a relationship 586 00:25:09,744 --> 00:25:12,264 Speaker 1: for six month. And I'll probably get hate for this comment, 587 00:25:12,464 --> 00:25:13,624 Speaker 1: but I feel betrayed. 588 00:25:13,864 --> 00:25:17,144 Speaker 2: Okay, it's because you thought that she was singing about 589 00:25:17,184 --> 00:25:20,024 Speaker 2: heartbreaking loss and not finding love, and now you find 590 00:25:20,024 --> 00:25:21,104 Speaker 2: out she's not on your team. 591 00:25:21,144 --> 00:25:22,024 Speaker 3: She's on the other team. 592 00:25:22,504 --> 00:25:25,504 Speaker 1: It's so embarrassing for me. But I actually feel quite 593 00:25:25,544 --> 00:25:26,064 Speaker 1: sad about that. 594 00:25:26,144 --> 00:25:28,384 Speaker 2: This is why people in the industry high that they're 595 00:25:28,384 --> 00:25:30,584 Speaker 2: in relationships for this very reason. I'm not saying you're wrong, 596 00:25:30,624 --> 00:25:33,624 Speaker 2: but this idea is like, if you're the romantically in 597 00:25:33,624 --> 00:25:35,864 Speaker 2: a movie, then you hired your partner because you're meant 598 00:25:35,864 --> 00:25:38,104 Speaker 2: to look available even if you're not available. This is 599 00:25:38,144 --> 00:25:40,144 Speaker 2: why everyone thinks, and I think I'm on the side 600 00:25:40,184 --> 00:25:41,344 Speaker 2: of believing this is true. 601 00:25:41,544 --> 00:25:43,424 Speaker 3: That Amelia de Moldenburg. 602 00:25:42,904 --> 00:25:44,744 Speaker 1: From Chicken Chocks in a relationship has. 603 00:25:44,624 --> 00:25:46,424 Speaker 2: So many people that I know who sort of like, uh, 604 00:25:46,584 --> 00:25:48,864 Speaker 2: you know, friends of friends, once removed, worked on a 605 00:25:48,904 --> 00:25:50,424 Speaker 2: junker with her, you know that sort of stuff. Is like, 606 00:25:50,464 --> 00:25:52,344 Speaker 2: you know, she's been in a relationship for years, but 607 00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:54,624 Speaker 2: her whole thing is I'm trying to find love and 608 00:25:54,664 --> 00:25:57,144 Speaker 2: so if we ever, if well, I can't. 609 00:25:56,864 --> 00:25:59,064 Speaker 1: Take on that stress on top of this. So I'm 610 00:25:59,144 --> 00:26:01,464 Speaker 1: going to stop it at a million. But I think 611 00:26:01,464 --> 00:26:04,824 Speaker 1: it's because chapel Rode like and I also want to 612 00:26:04,824 --> 00:26:07,584 Speaker 1: say this about like Lizzo, right, Like chapel Ren and 613 00:26:07,584 --> 00:26:11,864 Speaker 1: Lizzo were like my go to with every breakup I've 614 00:26:11,864 --> 00:26:15,824 Speaker 1: ever gone. Yeah, like hers chapelone songs like casual, good Luck, Babe, 615 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:18,984 Speaker 1: hod to Go, Lizzo like Adele's. 616 00:26:18,584 --> 00:26:20,744 Speaker 2: Like maybe sometimes too intense with her heartbreak. You're like, 617 00:26:20,784 --> 00:26:22,344 Speaker 2: I don't want to sleep of a cliff. 618 00:26:23,384 --> 00:26:24,024 Speaker 1: What's the wrong? 619 00:26:24,144 --> 00:26:26,224 Speaker 3: Down from that? What's wrong? 620 00:26:26,304 --> 00:26:29,344 Speaker 1: Down from that? It's like these musicians, and I didn't 621 00:26:29,384 --> 00:26:31,744 Speaker 1: realize until I listened to this interview that there are 622 00:26:31,784 --> 00:26:35,224 Speaker 1: certain musicians in my life that I pretty much rely 623 00:26:35,664 --> 00:26:39,704 Speaker 1: on their relationship status to stay the same so I 624 00:26:39,744 --> 00:26:42,784 Speaker 1: can just move on with my life. Like you said, Adele, 625 00:26:43,544 --> 00:26:46,704 Speaker 1: I am reliant on her to go through divorces for 626 00:26:46,744 --> 00:26:49,184 Speaker 1: the rest of her life because that's and I've even seen. 627 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:52,344 Speaker 1: I remember when Adele announced her divorce. There were tweets 628 00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:54,664 Speaker 1: with people going, oh, the next album is gonna slack, 629 00:26:54,704 --> 00:26:57,464 Speaker 1: break out songs, gonna be so good. Tortured Poet's Apartment 630 00:26:57,544 --> 00:27:00,264 Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift. We were all like excited for that 631 00:27:00,304 --> 00:27:02,624 Speaker 1: because we're like, oh, my gosh, it's gonna be about Joe. 632 00:27:02,624 --> 00:27:04,744 Speaker 1: Can't wait. And then we were even given another gift 633 00:27:04,744 --> 00:27:06,904 Speaker 1: when it was about Maddie Haley, which is a situation 634 00:27:07,024 --> 00:27:07,544 Speaker 1: and so. 635 00:27:07,464 --> 00:27:10,024 Speaker 2: Many people have attached themselves to the Taylor and Travis 636 00:27:10,104 --> 00:27:12,344 Speaker 2: Narry because they're so sure they're going to break up 637 00:27:12,384 --> 00:27:14,704 Speaker 2: because they've been so public, it's been so intense. 638 00:27:14,344 --> 00:27:18,304 Speaker 1: And I'm hoping they break up that before. Yeah, And 639 00:27:18,344 --> 00:27:21,704 Speaker 1: it's so sad because I feel like with celebrities, even 640 00:27:21,744 --> 00:27:24,704 Speaker 1: with writers and stuff, when you are so vulnerable with 641 00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:28,264 Speaker 1: your personal life, you realize that as your life moves, 642 00:27:28,304 --> 00:27:30,424 Speaker 1: I can't still be your stick. Remember when my whole 643 00:27:30,424 --> 00:27:31,944 Speaker 1: stick was like being in my twenties. 644 00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:33,344 Speaker 3: I'm twenty nine this year. 645 00:27:33,344 --> 00:27:34,424 Speaker 1: What am I going to do next year? 646 00:27:34,544 --> 00:27:36,384 Speaker 2: This is what I mean, not that you're doing this, 647 00:27:36,424 --> 00:27:37,984 Speaker 2: So don't get upset. But this is what I always 648 00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:40,184 Speaker 2: say to people when they try and make their brand young, 649 00:27:40,304 --> 00:27:41,504 Speaker 2: and I'm always like, don't do that. 650 00:27:41,464 --> 00:27:42,064 Speaker 3: But they did. 651 00:27:42,144 --> 00:27:43,744 Speaker 1: Laura told me too late. 652 00:27:43,864 --> 00:27:44,464 Speaker 3: I told you this. 653 00:27:44,624 --> 00:27:46,384 Speaker 2: It's the one thing you don't earn and it's the 654 00:27:46,424 --> 00:27:49,784 Speaker 2: only thing you can't keep. So it's a bad strategy. 655 00:27:49,904 --> 00:27:52,024 Speaker 2: You're fine, You're still so young, OK, yeah, yeah. 656 00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:52,344 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. 657 00:27:52,584 --> 00:27:55,104 Speaker 1: But it was just like this whole revelation to me 658 00:27:55,304 --> 00:27:57,984 Speaker 1: is like it made me scared because now she's in 659 00:27:57,984 --> 00:28:00,744 Speaker 1: a relationship for six months, So will I be able 660 00:28:00,824 --> 00:28:03,104 Speaker 1: to relate to this next album? Like what's going to 661 00:28:03,184 --> 00:28:04,304 Speaker 1: go on? Yeah? 662 00:28:04,344 --> 00:28:06,144 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I've just stop listening to her music. 663 00:28:06,264 --> 00:28:10,944 Speaker 1: That's It's just one of those situations where it feels 664 00:28:10,944 --> 00:28:15,624 Speaker 1: like you have a favorite artist and then when they 665 00:28:15,664 --> 00:28:18,024 Speaker 1: get into a relationship or they go through a breakup, 666 00:28:18,104 --> 00:28:20,624 Speaker 1: it feels like you're also going through that with them 667 00:28:20,744 --> 00:28:24,704 Speaker 1: by proxy. And I think the reason why she held 668 00:28:24,744 --> 00:28:28,464 Speaker 1: off on talking about this for so long, which probably 669 00:28:28,504 --> 00:28:30,224 Speaker 1: isn't just the only reason, because she has been quite 670 00:28:30,304 --> 00:28:34,184 Speaker 1: vulnerable about experiencing like queer relationships for the first time, 671 00:28:34,384 --> 00:28:37,224 Speaker 1: and like how she really found herself in that, and 672 00:28:37,304 --> 00:28:40,104 Speaker 1: she seems like she's in like such a healthy relationship now. 673 00:28:40,504 --> 00:28:43,184 Speaker 1: But it feels like when an artist knows that they're 674 00:28:43,184 --> 00:28:45,344 Speaker 1: tied to that they really do have to keep all 675 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,784 Speaker 1: of that a secret. Yeah, and it's so not fair. 676 00:28:48,464 --> 00:28:50,744 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, where do we go from here? He 677 00:28:50,824 --> 00:28:54,104 Speaker 2: do you cancel Chapel Room. I'm just like interested to 678 00:28:54,224 --> 00:28:55,944 Speaker 2: see joke obviously, I feel like kind of even joke 679 00:28:55,944 --> 00:28:57,224 Speaker 2: about that because her fans are so. 680 00:28:58,104 --> 00:29:00,784 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what her next album would be 681 00:29:01,544 --> 00:29:04,304 Speaker 1: and if the album will come after not that I'm 682 00:29:04,344 --> 00:29:06,104 Speaker 1: hoping for a breakup, but if the album will come 683 00:29:06,144 --> 00:29:08,944 Speaker 1: after a breakup or if we get like a relationship 684 00:29:09,064 --> 00:29:11,704 Speaker 1: the album. Oh if she just keeps writing about being 685 00:29:11,744 --> 00:29:13,904 Speaker 1: single even though she's not like Amelia Demoloberg. 686 00:29:14,184 --> 00:29:15,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would be into that. 687 00:29:15,584 --> 00:29:16,424 Speaker 1: I'll be into that too. 688 00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:16,824 Speaker 3: Anyway. 689 00:29:16,864 --> 00:29:19,104 Speaker 1: The whole interview is so so good. We'll put a 690 00:29:19,104 --> 00:29:21,584 Speaker 1: link in our show notes. Also, let us know your thoughts, 691 00:29:21,624 --> 00:29:23,664 Speaker 1: because I feel like we have a lot of listeners 692 00:29:23,664 --> 00:29:26,064 Speaker 1: who love Chapel Roane, especially when we've done episodes in 693 00:29:26,104 --> 00:29:28,224 Speaker 1: her own past. 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