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Speaker 3: On Welcome to Parenting Out Loud friends, if you are

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Speaker 3: new here. This is the podcast for parents who don't

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Speaker 3: always listen to parenting podcasts, So we bring you the news,

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Speaker 3: the trends, the culture, and what parents are thinking about.

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Speaker 3: I'm Monice Bolly and does it make me a bad

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Speaker 3: person if I laugh at Nicole and Keith means?

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Speaker 1: I think? So, what's been the best one you saw? Oh?

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Speaker 3: The hair straightener one? Oh, it was like they have

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Speaker 3: to divide up their hair straightness. I laugh and I

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Speaker 3: feel so guilty.

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Speaker 2: Look, you can laugh about the memes, don't laugh about

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Speaker 2: their divorce. But we'll laugh about the memes. They're there

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Speaker 2: for us. I'm Amelia Lester. I am Stacy Hicks, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not laughing at the memes so far.

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Speaker 3: No, you're better than me.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on Today Show, Taylor Swift has emotionally ruined

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Speaker 2: all the elder's daughters across the globe this week, So

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about whether there's actually any truth

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Speaker 2: to the birth order theory.

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Speaker 1: Plus magicians are having a moment, and not just with kids.

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Speaker 1: We need to unpack why.

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Speaker 3: Oh and good news for sports parents. A World Cup

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Speaker 3: champion says, please stop showing up to kids practice.

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Speaker 2: But first, are you guys feeling a bit six seven

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Speaker 2: this week? Can you explain what this is?

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Speaker 1: Because I have all of a sudden hearing it everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like every school age child I know in Australia

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Speaker 2: at the moment is just repeating the numbers six seven,

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Speaker 2: And I made myself the task of finding out why

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Speaker 2: they're doing this. So they're using this in a variety

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Speaker 2: of ways, like if someone asked your height, they'll scream

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Speaker 2: six servern And if like they see the numbers on

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Speaker 2: the whiteboard at school, they'll say six serven and it's

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Speaker 2: in that voice always. So this all started with scriller.

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Speaker 2: What's a scriller, you may ask. That is a rapper

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Speaker 2: and he has this song called do Dude where he

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Speaker 2: repeats six.

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Speaker 1: Seven six seven in the song.

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Speaker 2: Kids started using this song over the top of mostly

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Speaker 2: sports video edits like basketball edits. Of their favorite basketball

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Speaker 2: is one, in particular, Lamello Ball. So he's a Charlotte

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Speaker 2: Hornets player and he's six seven in height. Ok right,

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Speaker 2: so this is where it's come from. So they started

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Speaker 2: using it for this, but now it's just transformed to

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Speaker 2: or they're using it to mean so. So so if

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Speaker 2: you say how are you going, they go, oh, six

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Speaker 2: it's just meaning bit mid.

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Speaker 1: I'm really just relieves it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. It doesn't. It's very PG.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's something I saw this week for sporting parents.

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Speaker 3: Do you know Abbi.

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Speaker 1: Womback, Yes, like Olympian.

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Speaker 3: Right, She's an Olympian, so she's literally one of the

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Speaker 3: world's best soccer players. She's a world champion, won two

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Speaker 3: Olympic Golds. All of that. She dropped a bomb on

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Speaker 3: her Pop cast this week and said parents need to

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Speaker 3: stop going to their kids' sports practices. And my ears

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Speaker 3: pricked up so quickly at this because her reason is great,

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Speaker 1: Are we supposed to go to every practice?

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Speaker 4: No, that is not actually on my don'ts list? Do

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Speaker 4: It is not. It's not for the kid to look

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Speaker 4: Practice is for free play for them that there is

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Speaker 4: nothing that's going to encumber them from trying something new,

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Speaker 4: making taking a risk, making a mistake, trying something being successful.

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Speaker 4: Because what we're then doing is we're externalizing all of

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Speaker 3: or a sports field. Stacey, are we just all completely

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things.

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Speaker 2: Now I've heard it, it does feel so much like

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Speaker 2: one of those areas where parents have become overinvolved compared

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Speaker 2: Growing up, I can't remember my parents being there for

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Speaker 2: I think it is one of those things where you

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Speaker 2: go parents being their equals, pressure and so when there's pressure,

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Speaker 2: probably a good thing for us to be backing out, Like,

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Speaker 2: do you think it's maybe a guilt thing as well,

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Speaker 2: that we feel like we have to be there because

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Speaker 1: I think it's definitely a guilt thing, but I think

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Speaker 1: So this immediately made me think about the fact that

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Speaker 1: And she said something very profound, which is that a

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Speaker 1: therefore a sight of vulnerability. You're trying new things, just

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Speaker 1: like Abby said in the clip, and they want privacy

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was so profound and it can

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Speaker 1: be applied to so many areas of life, And if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, it's not that unusual to want

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Speaker 2: They say the same even with food, like you know

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Speaker 2: at meal times when you're trying to get your kids

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Speaker 2: that you just need to lean right back, like if

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Speaker 1: Which is so odd because adults love it when people

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Speaker 3: Every four years, as someone that played an enormous amount

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Speaker 3: It teaches you who to be, and it's a place

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Speaker 3: is something that's going to be difficult to do when

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Speaker 3: your parents are there watching, And it also undermines the

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Speaker 3: sort of adult leader in a space. There's all this

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Speaker 3: research about this about how when kids aren't being directed

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Speaker 3: it is. It's this constant understanding that they are being

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Speaker 3: what the researchers say in this is that when you

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Speaker 3: step back when you are not there, that is the

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Speaker 3: training ground for them to learn executive function, creativity, social skills,

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Speaker 3: resilience to take risks to fail. And the constant oversight

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Speaker 3: of parents in intensive parenting often says to children, I

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Speaker 3: don't trust you to do this alone, and that can

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Speaker 3: erode confidence. So if we step back, if we don't attend,

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Speaker 3: kids that we believe in their capacity. And I think

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Speaker 3: this is really important to just step back and let

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Speaker 1: That makes so much sense, And it reminds me also

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Speaker 1: of how this is one of those instances where sometimes

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Speaker 1: I feel like we forget that kids are actually human too.

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Speaker 1: They're not these sort of alien creatures who we have

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Speaker 1: to do code. No one likes the micromanaging boss. People

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Speaker 1: like it when their boss trusts them to do what

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Speaker 1: they are there to do, and children are exactly the same. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're so right, Like if someone's there asking you about

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Speaker 1: every mistake they make, you're still there interrupting their flow

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Speaker 1: So we really are like taking away their autonomy in

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Speaker 3: There's also a part of it where if you go

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Speaker 3: they are you get to show them how far you've come.

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Speaker 3: And one of the defining moments of my life was

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Speaker 3: get to show you what I've been doing this whole

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Speaker 3: was like one of those defining moments. And it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: It was look at me, I get to grow up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that just gave me gooes find yeah me too.

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Speaker 2: That's so lovely and yeah so true. So we all

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Speaker 2: just need to back off. Really, so my close personal

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Speaker 2: friend Taylor Swift released an album this week called Life

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Speaker 2: of a show Girl, and before anyone even heard the album,

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Speaker 2: there was mass hysteria about track five, the most important

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Speaker 2: Eldest Daughter, and it's brought up a kind of a

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Speaker 2: good enough. They're the chronic people pleases of the family.

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Speaker 2: And it reminded me of this podcast. Doctor Gabor Marte

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Speaker 2: Do we need to check on all their eldest daughters?

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, you are? You Type A Type A to

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Speaker 2: But don't you think the things he's saying are kind

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Speaker 2: I have a bit of a theory about eldest daughters

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that. I don't believe they refine it.

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Speaker 3: I believe they probably relax There a noose about it.

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Speaker 2: But this is like saying where the first pancake and

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Speaker 3: Can we go back to Taylor Swift for a minute.

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Speaker 3: If you index the eldest Daughter traits against what Taylor

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Speaker 2: We're proud to be the eldest, Like look at look

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Speaker 3: Does birth order? Is it giving astrology a little bit

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Speaker 1: Magic is back, and we need to figure out why

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Speaker 1: party magician TikTok is a thing. It is full of

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Speaker 2: I'm suddenly seeing fully grown adults, like instead of having

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Speaker 1: This is right, is exactly Okay.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like maybe people are drinking less now, so

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Speaker 1: Cosmopolitan has reported on this trend, and it says that

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Speaker 1: are They say that after formative years spent in quarantine

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Speaker 1: and a shaky entry into adulthood, young people in particular

439
00:21:19,925 --> 00:21:24,565
Speaker 1: are experiencing historic levels of unhappiness, which is exactly why

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Speaker 1: magic and the escapism of magic is primed for a comeback.

441
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Speaker 1: Mon's it feels like when we were growing up as

442
00:21:32,165 --> 00:21:37,405
Speaker 1: elder millennials, magic was everywhere. Remember David Copperfield marrying Claudia Schiffer.

443
00:21:37,484 --> 00:21:40,685
Speaker 1: I mean, magicians were marrying supermodels. Back then. There was

444
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Speaker 1: the Now You See Me film series, which was about

445
00:21:43,285 --> 00:21:47,325
Speaker 1: illusionists during bank heists. So I guess my real question

446
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Speaker 1: for you it isn't why magic is making a comeback,

447
00:21:49,925 --> 00:21:51,725
Speaker 1: It is why did it ever go away?

448
00:21:52,085 --> 00:21:55,325
Speaker 3: It's such a good question. I don't have the answer.

449
00:21:55,045 --> 00:21:57,925
Speaker 1: Because it did. For like two decades there was no magic.

450
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Speaker 3: I guess things become unfashionable and then they become fashionable again,

451
00:22:02,605 --> 00:22:04,965
Speaker 3: and it's like a new generation is discovering this thing

452
00:22:05,005 --> 00:22:07,925
Speaker 3: that we got so much joy out of. I went

453
00:22:08,005 --> 00:22:10,165
Speaker 3: so deep on this, I confess I did roll my

454
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Speaker 3: eye and then I was like, no, no, I'll trust

455
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Speaker 3: Amelia Lester. So I went onto TikTok. This is so

456
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Speaker 3: fun to watch. It's the screaming, the gasping, the shrieking

457
00:22:20,725 --> 00:22:25,405
Speaker 3: in wonder. It's really fantastic to see. And it says

458
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Speaker 3: a lot about our craving to be kids again and

459
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Speaker 3: I think that this article is right. With all the pandemic,

460
00:22:31,005 --> 00:22:34,365
Speaker 3: the economic instability, all the bad news in the world,

461
00:22:34,484 --> 00:22:36,685
Speaker 3: we want to just forget it all and look at

462
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Speaker 3: a rabbit in a hat. I want to ask you, Stacy,

463
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Speaker 3: do you think that it says something deeper about how

464
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Speaker 3: adults are just now struggling with being adults.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I think we're seeing this a lot

466
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Speaker 2: across the culture, Like I know on Mama Mia, we've

467
00:22:49,765 --> 00:22:52,324
Speaker 2: definitely done a lot of articles around the trends of

468
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Speaker 2: adults now with collecting as well, like they're collecting Sonny angels,

469
00:22:56,805 --> 00:23:01,045
Speaker 2: they're collecting squish mellows, they're collecting La booboos, like if

470
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Speaker 2: you haven't seen them, the charm creatures that people are

471
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Speaker 2: attaching to their bags. And I think it's because it's

472
00:23:06,845 --> 00:23:10,804
Speaker 2: a return to surprise, Like we don't get surprised and

473
00:23:10,805 --> 00:23:14,125
Speaker 2: delight that much when we're adults, Like we kind of

474
00:23:14,205 --> 00:23:16,044
Speaker 2: know everything we can know. We can find out the

475
00:23:16,045 --> 00:23:17,965
Speaker 2: gender of our baby pretty early if we want, Like

476
00:23:18,205 --> 00:23:20,205
Speaker 2: nothing is a surprise to us now. And then with

477
00:23:20,365 --> 00:23:23,845
Speaker 2: La booboos, they're in a magic rapper so that you

478
00:23:23,925 --> 00:23:27,044
Speaker 2: can't see what they are, so we're giving ourselves that

479
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Speaker 2: little ooh ah, And I feel like that's what magic

480
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Speaker 2: does as well.

481
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Speaker 1: Right, It's almost like a jolt. Yeah, it can be

482
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Speaker 1: really sort of surprising, and I started to understand the

483
00:23:37,205 --> 00:23:39,965
Speaker 1: appeal of magic or unpack it. I used to live

484
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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC and the most popular children's entertainer in Washington,

485
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Speaker 1: DC is a man called the Great Zacchini. He's a magician.

486
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Speaker 1: There have been like very long Washington Post articles written

487
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Speaker 1: about him and how famous he is. One time I

488
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Speaker 1: tried to employ him for a child's birthday party, and

489
00:23:57,805 --> 00:23:59,925
Speaker 1: it was honestly like trying to contact a member of

490
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Speaker 1: the mafia. Like you have to call this number and

491
00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:05,405
Speaker 1: leave a message for him, and then in his voicemail,

492
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Speaker 1: he says, I could call you back at any time,

493
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Speaker 1: and if I can't reach you, I'm not going to

494
00:24:09,325 --> 00:24:12,005
Speaker 1: call you back again. So you call him, you leave

495
00:24:12,045 --> 00:24:14,645
Speaker 1: this message basically begging him to come to your child.

496
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Speaker 3: What was your message? What did you say? Did you

497
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Speaker 3: rehearse it ahead of time?

498
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Speaker 1: Yes, And you have to express a willingness for him

499
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Speaker 1: to come whenever he is available. So the concept of

500
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Speaker 1: having him for your child's actual birthday, forget about it.

501
00:24:26,645 --> 00:24:28,325
Speaker 1: He's way too in demand.

502
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Speaker 2: For that, so he could to show up to like

503
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Speaker 2: Sunday dinner and you have to bow down and.

504
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Speaker 1: Basically so you have to be like high Great Zacchini.

505
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Speaker 1: I've heard so many wonderful things about you, and I

506
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Speaker 1: have a very respectful four year old who would really

507
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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming to celebrate her birthday. Not on her birthday, obviously,

508
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Speaker 1: but at any time in the second half of this year.

509
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Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Thank you so much for me.

510
00:24:49,685 --> 00:24:54,325
Speaker 1: Back I did the Great KIKKINI come immediately, and he goes,

511
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Speaker 1: I can do fourteenth of October at two thirty. This

512
00:24:58,405 --> 00:25:00,925
Speaker 1: was not a convenient time for me, nor was it

513
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Speaker 1: my child's birthday. But I said great, because you cannot

514
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Speaker 1: turn down the Great Zacchini. And then he explains to

515
00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:09,524
Speaker 1: me that I need payment immediately, the full payment, not

516
00:25:09,605 --> 00:25:11,804
Speaker 1: just a deposit. It needs to be sent to my

517
00:25:11,845 --> 00:25:14,605
Speaker 1: bank account immediately to secure your spot. If I do

518
00:25:14,685 --> 00:25:17,205
Speaker 1: not receive your payment by midnight tonight, you do not

519
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Speaker 1: have the spot. So I say to my partner, we

520
00:25:20,045 --> 00:25:22,605
Speaker 1: need to send this large amount of money to a

521
00:25:22,685 --> 00:25:26,044
Speaker 1: bank account named the Great Zacchini immediately, and so he

522
00:25:26,165 --> 00:25:28,044
Speaker 1: rolled his eyes, but we did send the money to

523
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Speaker 1: the Great Zacchini, he did come to the party. All

524
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Speaker 1: of this is to say, here is why magic is

525
00:25:33,445 --> 00:25:36,565
Speaker 1: loved by everyone. It's not even about the tricks themselves.

526
00:25:36,845 --> 00:25:40,885
Speaker 1: The Great Szacchini's appeal is that he's tremendously silly. He

527
00:25:41,005 --> 00:25:44,085
Speaker 1: has the children like rolling around on the floor laughing.

528
00:25:44,445 --> 00:25:46,764
Speaker 1: The magic is actually not very impressive. It's like a

529
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Speaker 1: couple of slights of hand with like a pack of cards.

530
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Speaker 1: But really, why he's so famous and why he's so

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Speaker 1: compelling as an entertainer is because he is bending the

532
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Speaker 1: rules of what we are taught is how you're meant

533
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Speaker 1: to behave, and specifically how adults are meant to behave.

534
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Speaker 1: He is so silly, and the children cannot believe that

535
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Speaker 1: here is a grown up who was behaving in all

536
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Speaker 1: the ways that they are told that grown ups should

537
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Speaker 1: not behave. And that is, I think think the core

538
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Speaker 1: of why magic is appealing. It's because it's bending rules.

539
00:26:15,045 --> 00:26:17,525
Speaker 1: It's making us think that things that we thought were

540
00:26:17,525 --> 00:26:19,205
Speaker 1: the case are not the case.

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Speaker 3: In a world where informations just at our fingertips NonStop,

542
00:26:23,245 --> 00:26:26,165
Speaker 3: is magic the last place where everyone in the room

543
00:26:26,484 --> 00:26:28,645
Speaker 3: is completely clueless and there's just.

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Speaker 2: No great, Yeah, definitely, and I want to watch a

545
00:26:32,725 --> 00:26:33,605
Speaker 2: magic show now.

546
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Speaker 1: Weirdly, I have another magic story which is going to,

547
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Speaker 1: I think prove my point, which is that kids don't

548
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Speaker 1: care about the magic itself. Okay, so when I was

549
00:26:41,205 --> 00:26:43,845
Speaker 1: a child, I lived in India and one time I

550
00:26:43,885 --> 00:26:46,284
Speaker 1: went to a birthday party and a man came to

551
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Speaker 1: the birthday party who proceeded to lie on the floor,

552
00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:53,925
Speaker 1: cover himself with a blanket and levitate. He levitated off

553
00:26:53,965 --> 00:26:57,845
Speaker 1: the floor. Do not ask me how this literally happened.

554
00:26:57,885 --> 00:27:00,485
Speaker 1: There were adults in the room. He was floating off

555
00:27:00,484 --> 00:27:02,845
Speaker 1: the floor like that. Clearly the blanket had something to

556
00:27:02,885 --> 00:27:05,645
Speaker 1: do with it, but he was nonetheless off the floor.

557
00:27:06,245 --> 00:27:08,284
Speaker 1: Do you think any of the kids in the room cared.

558
00:27:08,525 --> 00:27:11,484
Speaker 1: They don't actually care about the trip. They just want

559
00:27:11,565 --> 00:27:16,645
Speaker 1: the surprise, the delight and the sheer unexpected nature of it.

560
00:27:16,845 --> 00:27:18,804
Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing though, if adults are

561
00:27:18,805 --> 00:27:20,965
Speaker 2: going to get back into magic now, is that we

562
00:27:21,005 --> 00:27:22,885
Speaker 2: do just have to sit back and not try and

563
00:27:22,925 --> 00:27:25,365
Speaker 2: figure it out. Because I feel like adults have a

564
00:27:25,405 --> 00:27:28,484
Speaker 2: really bad tendency to need to know the answers and

565
00:27:28,525 --> 00:27:30,125
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, well it must be you know,

566
00:27:30,365 --> 00:27:32,085
Speaker 2: a trick door or at the back, or it must

567
00:27:32,085 --> 00:27:34,645
Speaker 2: be some sort of mechanism. Like part of the beauty

568
00:27:34,725 --> 00:27:37,605
Speaker 2: of magic is not knowing the answers, and I think

569
00:27:37,645 --> 00:27:39,845
Speaker 2: it's okay if we don't know the answers sometimes.

570
00:27:40,005 --> 00:27:42,565
Speaker 3: Yes, I think magic could be the perfect art form

571
00:27:42,645 --> 00:27:46,604
Speaker 3: for this generation. Magic is quick and wondrous, and it

572
00:27:46,645 --> 00:27:49,365
Speaker 3: requires attention and you have to be paying attention, and

573
00:27:49,405 --> 00:27:52,564
Speaker 3: it moves fast, much like the algorithm. So maybe magic

574
00:27:52,605 --> 00:27:54,845
Speaker 3: will be the art form that sustains in this time

575
00:27:54,885 --> 00:27:56,445
Speaker 3: of just dwindling attention spans.

576
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Speaker 1: You just said the word that I think is key attention.

577
00:28:00,325 --> 00:28:03,245
Speaker 1: It captures our attention in a way that we're trying

578
00:28:03,245 --> 00:28:06,005
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on. And you're so right

579
00:28:06,085 --> 00:28:09,725
Speaker 1: that that ability to get people's attention fully for a

580
00:28:09,805 --> 00:28:12,805
Speaker 1: short perioderiod of time, that is what makes it perfect.

581
00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:16,445
Speaker 3: Okay, before we wrap today's show, we like to bring

582
00:28:16,525 --> 00:28:19,844
Speaker 3: you things that we're recommending. It's kind of the greatest

583
00:28:19,925 --> 00:28:22,885
Speaker 3: hits of our lives since we've discovered things, we've watched

584
00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:26,925
Speaker 3: scene bought, the stuff that's worth spending your time and

585
00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:29,725
Speaker 3: attention on. Stacy, what have you got this week?

586
00:28:29,805 --> 00:28:32,325
Speaker 2: Okay, So everyone this week's obviously been talking about Nicole

587
00:28:32,405 --> 00:28:35,725
Speaker 2: Kidman and Keith Urban's divorce. There is so much out

588
00:28:35,765 --> 00:28:38,805
Speaker 2: the hair about their separation announcement, but there's a piece

589
00:28:38,845 --> 00:28:40,725
Speaker 2: that's actually worth your time on Mum and Mia this

590
00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:44,085
Speaker 2: week called Everyone's saying the same thing about Nicole and

591
00:28:44,165 --> 00:28:48,165
Speaker 2: Keith's divorce, They're wrong by Jessica Clark. She's done such

592
00:28:48,205 --> 00:28:51,605
Speaker 2: a beautiful opinion piece about the fact that the general

593
00:28:51,645 --> 00:28:54,485
Speaker 2: sentiment seems to be love is dead and what a

594
00:28:54,565 --> 00:28:58,725
Speaker 2: tragedy that that relationship ended. And her opinion, which she's

595
00:28:58,765 --> 00:29:00,805
Speaker 2: so beautifully written about, will put the link in the

596
00:29:00,845 --> 00:29:03,845
Speaker 2: show notes, is that nineteen years in any type of

597
00:29:03,885 --> 00:29:07,085
Speaker 2: relationship should not be considered a failure. She speaks from

598
00:29:07,085 --> 00:29:10,325
Speaker 2: a place of being divorced herself and talking about how

599
00:29:10,725 --> 00:29:14,245
Speaker 2: important that relationship was in her life and how we

600
00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:17,325
Speaker 2: should reframe that. And we had such beautiful responses from

601
00:29:17,325 --> 00:29:19,125
Speaker 2: the audience, so I'd love everyone to read it.

602
00:29:19,285 --> 00:29:20,365
Speaker 1: What's your reco mons?

603
00:29:21,245 --> 00:29:25,245
Speaker 3: I know it's October, but I want to talk about Christmas.

604
00:29:25,485 --> 00:29:29,085
Speaker 2: Don't come at me, oh God, already, no, no.

605
00:29:28,925 --> 00:29:31,205
Speaker 3: No, do not roll your eyes. If Christmas is your

606
00:29:31,285 --> 00:29:32,925
Speaker 3: Roman Empire. And there are a lot of people out

607
00:29:32,965 --> 00:29:35,125
Speaker 3: there for whom it is who spend their whole year

608
00:29:35,165 --> 00:29:37,405
Speaker 3: looking forward to it. I have a Facebook group for

609
00:29:37,445 --> 00:29:41,965
Speaker 3: you to indulge yourself. It's called Christmas Mums Australia. This

610
00:29:42,325 --> 00:29:46,965
Speaker 3: is literally a Facebook group of mums for whom Christmas

611
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:51,685
Speaker 3: is their personality. It's me, guys, it's me. This Facebook

612
00:29:51,685 --> 00:29:55,845
Speaker 3: group is my secret delight. They are sloper what's coming

613
00:29:55,845 --> 00:29:58,325
Speaker 3: out in Kmart and Target. They are in the stores,

614
00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:01,765
Speaker 3: they are taking photos. They are debating the best advent calendars.

615
00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:05,885
Speaker 1: They are tagged event calendars. The calendars already.

616
00:30:06,125 --> 00:30:08,445
Speaker 3: If you haven't got one already, get onto the Christmas months.

617
00:30:08,565 --> 00:30:10,325
Speaker 1: Where is the best advent calendar time?

618
00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,844
Speaker 3: It depends what esthetic you're going for. This is what

619
00:30:12,885 --> 00:30:15,565
Speaker 3: the group's about. They will tell you exactly what to

620
00:30:15,605 --> 00:30:18,045
Speaker 3: buy an eight year old girl a fourteen year old boy.

621
00:30:18,285 --> 00:30:21,885
Speaker 3: Basically they do all the heavy lifting around Christmas while

622
00:30:21,925 --> 00:30:25,565
Speaker 3: I sit back and just read it and just get

623
00:30:25,725 --> 00:30:28,765
Speaker 3: so immersed in how nuts it all is. I love it.

624
00:30:28,765 --> 00:30:32,125
Speaker 3: It's dopamine without spending any money. Now listen. The caveat

625
00:30:32,245 --> 00:30:35,965
Speaker 3: is this, sometimes it can become overwhelming. So small doses

626
00:30:36,045 --> 00:30:38,685
Speaker 3: of Christmas Mum's Australia, because you'll start to get you'll

627
00:30:38,685 --> 00:30:40,765
Speaker 3: start to scroll, You'll start your heart will rate will

628
00:30:40,805 --> 00:30:43,765
Speaker 3: start to increase. You'll think, shit, I haven't organized myself yet.

629
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Speaker 3: It's still October. You're okay, okay, So small doses of

630
00:30:47,765 --> 00:30:51,125
Speaker 3: this group for anyone that just loves to lurk in

631
00:30:51,245 --> 00:30:54,925
Speaker 3: other people's homes, other people's brains, and just people who

632
00:30:54,965 --> 00:30:56,405
Speaker 3: are mad about Christmas.

633
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Speaker 1: I don't think I can go in there.

634
00:30:58,245 --> 00:31:00,565
Speaker 3: This is rolling your eyes at me.

635
00:31:00,885 --> 00:31:04,165
Speaker 1: What is this? Because it's making me anxious, frankly, because

636
00:31:04,165 --> 00:31:05,885
Speaker 1: you're making me think that I have to think about

637
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:08,485
Speaker 1: Christmas when I've got Halloween to prepare for.

638
00:31:08,725 --> 00:31:12,845
Speaker 3: Exactly Amelia type B. Okay, maybe this isn't the group

639
00:31:13,565 --> 00:31:14,765
Speaker 3: A type A.

640
00:31:14,725 --> 00:31:16,805
Speaker 1: Group full of eldest daughters. I can tell you that

641
00:31:17,605 --> 00:31:20,325
Speaker 1: mine is a TV show because I'm type B. I

642
00:31:20,365 --> 00:31:23,445
Speaker 1: have a TV show to recommend. It's called The Assembly,

643
00:31:23,725 --> 00:31:25,885
Speaker 1: a show on ABC that's just come back for its

644
00:31:25,885 --> 00:31:28,965
Speaker 1: second season. It's not a show about parenting. The premise

645
00:31:29,085 --> 00:31:33,165
Speaker 1: is that Lee Sales mentors a group of aspiring journalism

646
00:31:33,205 --> 00:31:37,805
Speaker 1: students with autism, and they ask no holds barred questions

647
00:31:37,965 --> 00:31:41,365
Speaker 1: of Australian public figures, basically, and you get some really

648
00:31:41,405 --> 00:31:46,405
Speaker 1: surprising and beautiful moments and interactions. I'd recommend starting the

649
00:31:46,485 --> 00:31:49,925
Speaker 1: season one. The first episode is with Sam Neil and

650
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:53,605
Speaker 1: the students make him blush. They ask him questions that

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Speaker 1: make him incredibly uncomfortable. And also he's just so handsome,

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Speaker 1: is Sam Neior. He's just such a lovely, charming, handsome

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Speaker 1: person to spend some time with. But the moment I

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring to you both is from the season

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Speaker 1: two premiere. It's with the actor Richard Rocksborough. And this

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Speaker 1: moment will stop you in your tracks. Grab some tissues

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Speaker 1: and listen.

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Speaker 6: You have three children, baby day babies forever. They grow

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Speaker 6: taller and grow into themselves and develop a beautiful brain.

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Speaker 6: Have they made you aware of time and that youth

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Speaker 6: does not last forever?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 7: My god, yes they have, they have. I think you know,

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Speaker 7: it's a really interesting thing becoming a parent because you

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Speaker 7: because it brings as much fear with it as it

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Speaker 7: does love, and you spend your life trying to combat

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Speaker 7: the fear to the kind of exactly the same shape

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Speaker 7: as love. It's like love's shadow, and that's fear that

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Speaker 7: you have that anything bad would happen to them. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: they do make you really aware of mortality and all

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Speaker 7: the other things that go.

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Speaker 2: With Oh love Shadow. That show, I'll tell you the

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Speaker 2: question is so beautiful. That show will just fill you

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Speaker 2: up and I just can't recommend it. But Christmas Mom

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Speaker 2: sounds great too. Months since Mom sounds.

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Speaker 1: Great, I won't be going in there. Keep me out.

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Speaker 2: That's how we're different. As eldest daughter's monds. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going in there now.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a jerk when you're bringing the feels

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Speaker 3: and loves Shadow. Look, that's what you love about this show.

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Speaker 3: It swings and roundabouts. It's light and shade, and that

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Speaker 3: is us done for the day. Thank you to the

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Speaker 3: parenting out louders that are hyping us up with reviews.

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Speaker 3: In Apple podcasts, the challenge is to write a review

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Speaker 3: in gentle parenting speak. And I was laughing out loud

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Speaker 3: this week and what came through. I have to say

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Speaker 3: you all understood the brief. Here's a couple of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: So this one was left by someone called love the

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Speaker 3: pod girls. The headline is space for Big Feelings. I

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Speaker 3: love the way you all held space for each other's

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Speaker 3: thoughts and emotions last episode. Navigating big feelings can be

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Speaker 3: really tricky. Sometimes I'm proud of you for trying your best.

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Speaker 3: And then this one was my favorite of the week

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Speaker 3: from Amy Lee Lauren. She says, Wow, Amelia, Mon and Stacy,

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Speaker 3: you have been so creative. I can see how much

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Speaker 3: time and love you have put into your colorful purple

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Speaker 3: and yellow branding. And the content for each episode is

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Speaker 3: being a podcaster making your heart happy. My heart is

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Speaker 3: so happy seeing how happy you are. Amy Lee, you

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Speaker 3: win like you nailed that, so good, so good. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for joining us this week and look at you.

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Speaker 3: You did the whole episode start to finish, and that

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Speaker 3: shows such focus. Does listening to us make your brain

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Speaker 3: feel sparkly because ours does too. So if your heart

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Speaker 3: feels ready, leave us a review and please tap follow,

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Speaker 3: but only if it feels good in your body doing

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Speaker 3: such important listening work. Hey, and a big thanks to

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Speaker 3: the team this week, Tessakovic, Sashatanic, Leoporgos and the group

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Speaker 3: ep Is Ruth Divine. See you next week.

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Speaker 1: Bye you bye,