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Speaker 1: You're really sculpting, you're lifting, you're decongesting. It's all of

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Speaker 1: these amazing benefits. Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel

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Speaker 2: guilty a body Helliah, and welcome to you the daily

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Speaker 2: podcast for your faith. I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to

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Speaker 2: the formula. Every week I sit down with celebs and

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Speaker 2: some of the biggest names in beauty and take a

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Speaker 2: look into their skincare routines. Ubis, do you want skin

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Speaker 2: like Victoria Beckham, Well, after this episode, you'll be one

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Speaker 2: step closer because today we're talking to her personal facialist,

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Speaker 2: Melanie Grant, and she's telling us the exact products she

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Speaker 2: puts on posh spices herself. Melanie's a renowned skincare expert

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Speaker 2: and the visionary behind the globally recognized Melanie Grant skin.

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Speaker 2: As soon as you see you're on camera, you'll know

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Speaker 2: why her skin is absolutely flawless. Melanie's impressive clientele includes

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Speaker 2: stars like Victoria Beckham, Rosy Huntington, Whiteley, and Katherine McNeil.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just celebrities who swear by her magic touch.

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Speaker 2: She's cultivated a loyal global following that just can't get

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Speaker 2: enough of her signature, cutting edge treatments and advanced skincare technologies. Today,

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Speaker 2: she's going to be sharing her thoughts on the skincare industry,

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Speaker 2: including her hot take on fleeting trends. Plus, she's going

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Speaker 2: to be walking us through the three products every woman

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Speaker 2: tell us exactly what she puts on her face. So

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Speaker 2: let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: You are such beautiful skill but.

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Speaker 2: How Melanie, thanks so much for joining us today. I

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Speaker 2: am so excited, I'm almost jumping out of my seat here.

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Speaker 2: I want to start by asking you about your earliest

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Speaker 2: memory of beauty.

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Speaker 1: Wow, my earliest memory of beauty, I guess you know,

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Speaker 1: watching my mother get ready doing her skincare routine, applying makeup.

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Speaker 2: And here you are today. You're now a massive skin expert.

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Speaker 2: You've recently Unpacked How to Care for Your Skin. In

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Speaker 2: your book The Modern Guide to Skin Health, could you

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Speaker 2: tell us a basic three to five step skincare routine

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Speaker 2: that everyone needs for their skin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I think I wrote my book.

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Speaker 1: The real purpose behind that was I think that not

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Speaker 1: all of us are taught how to take care of

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Speaker 1: I'm not really a trend girl. I'm very much like tried, tested, proven,

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Speaker 2: Let's lean into self care Sunday on all about that.

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Speaker 1: gentle acid clans are there. I love bioderma my cellar water.

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Speaker 1: it comes to antioxidant serums. I love Augustine as barred

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Speaker 1: well as an antioxidant serum the ordinary. I think they've

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Speaker 1: I think their products are really nice. Moisturizer is It's

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Speaker 1: no secret I love the rich cream by Augustine's Barta.

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Speaker 1: beautiful product. Again, it's quite concentrated. You don't need to

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Speaker 2: love most about it? Because I've wanted to try it

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Speaker 2: for such a long time, But it's so spendy, and

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Speaker 2: on a moisturizer. Sell it to me, tell me why.

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Speaker 1: Look for me, I'm Rosesia Prime, so I have Roseasiha.

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Speaker 2: Hit, you've made one of the greatest discoveries.

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Speaker 1: Of all time. Or miss?

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Speaker 2: Never again?

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Speaker 2: All right, it's time for hit or miss. Tell me

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Speaker 1: Ingredients that I love would be vitamin C. I love

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. One that I hate, it's not that I hate, really.

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Speaker 1: I don't like benzol peroxide. I don't like these What

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Speaker 2: The snail you can?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that I just think is such a no.

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Speaker 1: I don't like anything that's marketing fad, like snake stuff

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of those like catchy marketing things

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Speaker 2: That is a very good point. My friend Kelly McCarron

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Speaker 2: As we know, beauty standards are obviously always changing left

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Speaker 2: and right. There's so much always going on. I want

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Speaker 1: I think beauty is a very personal thing, and I

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Speaker 1: I don't like the unattainable, this trend of like perfectionism.

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Speaker 1: I often have clients coming in and it's about pause,

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Speaker 1: spray of freckles. I love that perfectly imperfect. But I think,

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Speaker 1: and I think, but ultimately, you can't be beautiful if

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Speaker 1: you're not a nice, kind person. Sounds very cliche. It's

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Speaker 2: We don't want all of the same faces. Yeah, individualism,

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Speaker 2: We're here for it. Thank you so much, Melanie. That

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Speaker 2: was such a beautiful note to end on. I feel

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Speaker 2: good going home now. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us though it was fun. Thanks so much for listening today.

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Speaker 2: That's all we have time for. But if you want

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Speaker 2: of You Beauty is the lovely Cassie Merit, with audio

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Speaker 2: where Lucy and Key and so all your burning beauty questions.

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Speaker 2: And I'll see you next Tuesday for another interview talking

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Speaker 2: all things skincare. See ya,