Speaker 1: If you allow the world to do its thing, and
Speaker 1: you work hard and you dream big, your purpose ends
Speaker 1: up aligning with your passion, or your passion ends up
Speaker 1: aligning with your purpose. Comparisons are so evil. Never compare
Speaker 1: yourself to someone else like You'll see our Caleb the CEO,
Speaker 1: and it's like you would absolutely hate to live my life,
Speaker 1: But guess what, I absolutely love it. You know what
Speaker 1: you should be doing. You should be measuring your day
Speaker 1: in terms of happiness and putting it both in a
Speaker 1: short term and long term perspective.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,
Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or Spoon Full of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 2: funentrepreneurs swapped the suits and heels to co found matcha
Speaker 2: Maiden and matcha Milkbar. CZA is a series of conversations
Speaker 2: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,
Speaker 2: joy and fulfillment along the way. It's always such a
Speaker 2: pleasure to join podcast forces, and after having an absolute
Speaker 2: blast on Trapeka's podcast a couple of weeks ago, this
Speaker 2: week we've turned the tables on CEO and co founder
Speaker 2: Caleb Marshall, leading one of Australia's fastest growing and largest
Speaker 2: health food companies with fourteen thousand five star reviews and
Speaker 2: an ever growing range of amazing products. Caleb is well
Speaker 2: and truly seizing his ya. As we so often reiterate
Speaker 2: on the show, you could very easily assume it's been
Speaker 2: smooth sailing if you'd been observing Trepeka's impressive trajectory since
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. But even I was surprised by how candidly
Speaker 2: Caleb discusses the tougher chapters of his path YAY, particularly
Speaker 2: throughout his school years and then losing three and a
Speaker 2: half years of his twenties to a debilitating struggle with
Speaker 2: chronic fatigue, but the patient's self awareness and positivity he
Speaker 2: brings to reframing that experience as a positively life changing
Speaker 2: pivot is sure to reassure not just fellow chronic illness sufferers,
Speaker 2: but anyone out there waiting for their passion and purpose
Speaker 2: to become clear. I love how much I learned from
Speaker 2: each guest and their perspectives on life, and he particularly
Speaker 2: reminds me just how important it is to stick with
Speaker 2: the wild and wacky things you love, because what makes
Speaker 2: you happy might make others desperately unhappy, and vice versa.
Speaker 2: But that is the whole point of seizing your yea.
Speaker 2: It's not meant to look like anyone else's. I hope
Speaker 2: you guys enjoy as much as I did. Caleb, Welcome
Speaker 2: to Seize the AA.
Speaker 1: Sarah, lovely to be here, Thanks for having.
Speaker 2: Me, Thank you for swapping sides. I dropped on your
Speaker 2: pod The Who this podcast a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and it's nice to have the tables turned.
Speaker 1: I just realized how much nicer sees the YA sounds
Speaker 1: than whodious rough like, even when you just said it then,
Speaker 1: I don't hear that. I don't hear the title too often.
Speaker 1: It's like I felt icky about my own podcast just then.
Speaker 1: But our guests are amazing, including you. We had an
Speaker 1: amazing time. It was fantastic. So hopefully if I can
Speaker 1: replicate even fifty percent of the quality that came out
Speaker 1: of your mouth during that podcast, I'll be a happy man.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so kind.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately we don't have a spiral in a challenge
Speaker 2: segment in this podcast, so I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: going to live up to yours because that was so
Speaker 2: much fun. But my icebreaker and my version of your
Speaker 2: spiral in a challenge before we kick off, is just
Speaker 2: to ask everyone what the most down tour thing is
Speaker 2: about them, to break through the sort of external identity
Speaker 2: that is created, even if you're not trying to hide
Speaker 2: parts of yourself or trying to portray a particular identity,
Speaker 2: when you're known through your business, and particularly in your case,
Speaker 2: your business is great success, I think it's often harder
Speaker 2: to see, you know, the person behind it all. So
Speaker 2: what's something really normal about you? I mean, you just
Speaker 2: shared something with me that I think is incredibly down
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: What was that? The studying of demographics? We had like
Speaker 1: five weird conversations, but.
Speaker 3: It was the head.
Speaker 1: Oh, the head of course, Yeah, I mean no, that's
Speaker 1: just a normal run of a meal thing. For me.
Speaker 1: So I've got this big cut. I've actually I just
Speaker 1: moved in my video camera a bit closer so everyone
Speaker 1: can inspect this if they're looking by a video. But
Speaker 1: I got this gouge in my forehead at the moment,
Speaker 1: and it's anything but yeah, I mean it brings the
Speaker 1: humility back into my life for sure. So every morning
Speaker 1: I do like either cold showers or I put some
Speaker 1: cold water on my face to get going, among many
Speaker 1: other biohacks I do in the morning, which I'm more
Speaker 1: than happy to talk about. And this one was just
Speaker 1: like a case of like you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: like overworking and just not recovering properly. This was like
Speaker 1: me putting my head to my hands with cold water,
Speaker 1: but instead of lifting my hands up from the cold
Speaker 1: water from the tap, I've just done a full head
Speaker 1: butt of my tap in my bathroom and gouged out
Speaker 1: a bit in my forehead. It looks a whole lot
Speaker 1: better today than three days ago. So yeah, my girlfriend
Speaker 1: was a bit worried at the time, but yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: alive and well.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's just such a shit story. It's
Speaker 2: like this massive battle wound that could have this awesome backstory,
Speaker 2: Like I was I don't know, playing paintball and I
Speaker 2: did a commando role and I got my head cut
Speaker 2: on a knife or something, and it's like, nah, I
Speaker 2: just was washing my face and I just couldn't do
Speaker 2: it because yeah, I just malfunctioned as a human.
Speaker 1: I remember in year seven at school, like you're starting
Speaker 1: high school and it was pretty early on in the
Speaker 1: first term and I got this wasp bite. Like I
Speaker 1: was playing out in the bushes and I was collecting
Speaker 1: like a ball from one of the bushes. This was
Speaker 1: at home, like over the weekend, and I got stung
Speaker 1: by a wasp right next to my eye, Like I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what would happen if it actually stung
Speaker 1: my like my pupil or whatnot. And my god, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Has anyone ever been stung in the pupil before?
Speaker 1: Is it? I don't know. But I don't even want
Speaker 1: to google or google image it because that's one of
Speaker 1: those things what you what you have seen, cannot be unseen,
Speaker 1: so I won't do that. But anyway, it made my
Speaker 1: eye puff up like crazy, and I had to go
Speaker 1: to school on the Monday, and it was this exact
Speaker 1: situation again, but like I'm I'm twelve years old in
Speaker 1: year seven, Like I'm not admitting no way am I admitting,
Speaker 1: Like I just got stung by like a wasp. So
Speaker 1: I came up with some elaborate.
Speaker 2: Story sypathetic exactly.
Speaker 1: So I came up with some elaborate story that I
Speaker 1: got into a fight, which every teacher would have been like,
Speaker 1: oh god, this kid is like no wonder like the
Speaker 1: teachers thought I was just a bit of a dickhead
Speaker 1: from the start. If I'm making up stories that I
Speaker 1: got in some fight as a little year seven kid
Speaker 1: that like was the complete opposite of ever being able
Speaker 1: to throw a punch in his life. So it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. I just remember that. That's one of my
Speaker 1: haunted stories in the past where the truth is always
Speaker 1: most important in life. You just come out if you're
Speaker 1: any and you bang your head and your head butt
Speaker 1: your tap in your bathroom, you say you don't make
Speaker 1: up anything.
Speaker 2: Else totally, you just own it. I actually think back
Speaker 2: to high school a lot, and I'm like, I just
Speaker 2: used to make up so much shit, and I can't
Speaker 2: believe either people actually believed it or I just was
Speaker 2: walking around thinking everyone believed it. But actually everyone was
Speaker 2: just like she just totally made that up.
Speaker 1: What I did before Trapeke, I was a tennis coach,
Speaker 1: so I coached a lot of kids, like coached everyone
Speaker 1: five to fifty five, but a lot in terms of
Speaker 1: you know, those younger kids and I just make up
Speaker 1: stories all the time. My favorite thing was actually the
Speaker 1: run with their stories and make their stories better and
Speaker 1: encourage them to then go and make their stories more
Speaker 1: elaborate to their friends and just see if they could
Speaker 1: pull it off. Like I had a kid who loved
Speaker 1: to talk it up in terms of like his brother
Speaker 1: played for Wimbledon and all these kind of things. Brother
Speaker 1: didn't even play tennis, it played cricket. And I just
Speaker 1: remember like just having fun with these kids who would
Speaker 1: just like come and start turning porky's and you'd know
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a lie, but instead of
Speaker 1: calling them out on it, like let their imagination go
Speaker 1: wild and just create some elaborate, creative story. By the
Speaker 1: time that I left tennis coaching, I think that kid
Speaker 1: had traveled to every single continent on the planet, including Antiogica,
Speaker 1: and his brother was a world champion not only in tennis,
Speaker 1: but like in Jiu jitsu and all of that. Like it, Ah,
Speaker 1: absolutely and he loved it.
Speaker 3: Multi talented brother.
Speaker 2: Well, that actually leads me into our first section, your Wayta,
Speaker 2: which is tracing back through all those chapters that people
Speaker 2: don't hear about as much because obviously the more recent
Speaker 2: successes are generally how people introduced to your life. But
Speaker 2: I think it's so important to go back and, you know,
Speaker 2: remind everyone that you were a kid in year seven,
Speaker 2: ones who didn't know what you wanted to do, and
Speaker 2: that before Trepeka, there was a whole career in tennis
Speaker 2: coaching during which I'm sure you had no idea that
Speaker 2: this was going to be in your future. So take
Speaker 2: us all the way back to the very beginning, to
Speaker 2: young Klee, when you were a kid. Because I also
Speaker 2: find that sometimes we veer off on lots of different pathways,
Speaker 2: but often what we come back to, in terms of
Speaker 2: finding our passion or our purpose or our yay or
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, kind of makes sense
Speaker 2: when you look at what you used to do as
Speaker 2: a child, when you were unburdened by societal norms and
Speaker 2: concepts of success and money and climbing ladders and being impressive.
Speaker 2: So what were you like as a kid, what was
Speaker 2: the first job you thought you wanted to do?
Speaker 3: And yeah, take us through each chapter from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I mean, I firstly want to
Speaker 1: say I've been a big admirer from you from a distance.
Speaker 1: I mean this whole purpose and passion and the importance
Speaker 1: of following it, like there's no bigger believer than myself
Speaker 1: and that and to have someone like you spreading that
Speaker 1: word like is truly amazing. We need more of that
Speaker 1: in this world. I think when you go back to
Speaker 1: like Caleb, as a kid, like I was very blessed
Speaker 1: with having like hard working parents that kind of showed
Speaker 1: me the value of hard work. So my dad was
Speaker 1: a build I grew up like working on the building
Speaker 1: site and being around those kind of people. I played
Speaker 1: a lot of sports, so I knew the value of
Speaker 1: like training hard and hard work through sport. And I
Speaker 1: was also like, I wouldn't just I'd question everything. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't just like assume or go with the flow. Like
Speaker 1: I've always been one who's seen a lot of people
Speaker 1: with an opinion about something and then not just taking
Speaker 1: it for face value. And I grew up with that
Speaker 1: and obviously got me into trouble as well as a
Speaker 1: kid doing that and having an opinion, which I actually
Speaker 1: don't mind. I think we need to provide environments where
Speaker 1: kids are a lot more free to express how they
Speaker 1: feel and question things and have a questioning mindset. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like young Caleb was interesting. Like I mean, I was
Speaker 1: also especially into high school. I was bullied a lot
Speaker 1: because I was a geek, like back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three when it was cool to hang out on
Speaker 1: the internet and do computer based staff especially. I went
Speaker 1: to an or guys school, so it was like a
Speaker 1: dog eat dog world. But I was also into sports,
Speaker 1: so I'd hang out with the sporty guys. But I
Speaker 1: was also a geek, and I was underage, and I
Speaker 1: was insecure, and I got a fair bit of bullying
Speaker 1: that didn't make my high school years as enjoyable. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I kind of went into a new
Speaker 1: environment I left high school and went into say like
Speaker 1: the university years, that I was able to flourish and
Speaker 1: I was able to kind of enjoy being who I
Speaker 1: truly was, which was a guy that was into like computers,
Speaker 1: into the Internet, into all of these kind of what
Speaker 1: was seen as geeky things to do back in you know,
Speaker 1: those early two thousands. I'm still in contact with one
Speaker 1: of the teachers from my high school who encouraged me
Speaker 1: in this path in like year seven, and I thank him.
Speaker 1: I've thanked him a number of times since leaving high
Speaker 1: school because of the impact that he made that you know,
Speaker 1: he was a bit of a quote unquote loser teacher
Speaker 1: as well, you know, kids would make fun of him, right,
Speaker 1: but he encouraged me and he sowed those seeds into
Speaker 1: me about the internet, about technology, and now I run
Speaker 1: one of Australia's largest e commerce companies. And it was
Speaker 1: because of those early seeds that people planted in my
Speaker 1: life that encouraged me to follow my passion. And by
Speaker 1: following your passion, it turns into the opportunity to find
Speaker 1: your purpose, which is why I thanked you for the
Speaker 1: work that you're doing, because it's people like you, and
Speaker 1: it's people like my teacher in year seven that plant
Speaker 1: seeds of finding your passion that that then leads into
Speaker 1: your purpose. You mentioned as well, like what did I
Speaker 1: want to be when I was younger? I mean, originally
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a carpenter because I was on
Speaker 1: the job site and I was seeing my dad and
Speaker 1: I love woodwork. Chippy, yeah, chippy exactly. I don't know
Speaker 1: how i'd go as a chippy these days, but I
Speaker 1: was encouraged even through high school to do the subjects
Speaker 1: that I actually genuinely enjoyed. Don't worry about your final
Speaker 1: mark in year twelve, like do things that you genuinely love.
Speaker 1: So everything that I studied in year twelve i've done since.
Speaker 1: So accept woodworking ironically because I didn't become a chippy.
Speaker 1: I'll save that to retirement.
Speaker 3: But you did woodworking in your I did wood.
Speaker 1: Work woodworking in year twelve. So I made my mom
Speaker 1: a edwarding and dressing table that's her pride and joy
Speaker 1: at her house. And they pretty much just conned me
Speaker 1: into it. They're like, we're buying you the timber, make
Speaker 1: mum something nice. And I wanted to make a pool
Speaker 1: table or something for me. They're like, we ain't spending
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars on timber for you to go and
Speaker 1: make anything other than your mom addressing table. So made
Speaker 1: that very very grateful for that and my mum's appreciation
Speaker 1: of it. So look, I did pe in year twelve
Speaker 1: and I became a Tannis coach and I love sport.
Speaker 1: I did business and I'm doing business now. Maths and
Speaker 1: English you've got to do, but you do that as
Speaker 1: a as a business person. I did German. I studied
Speaker 1: the German language, and I went and had a semester
Speaker 1: in the Berlin during university, which was like my favorite
Speaker 1: time of my life except for now. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: always thinking the current is the most amazing time. But
Speaker 1: if I look back at a time, I absolutely loved
Speaker 1: my time in Berlin. So all of these subjects I did,
Speaker 1: and I followed my passion for it, and it led
Speaker 1: into my purpose, which I do today. The funny thing
Speaker 1: is I sat there in year eleven in high school
Speaker 1: at the career's night, and I listened to a guy
Speaker 1: that was an importer and exporter, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's so cool. I just loved the the global nature
Speaker 1: of it, like, well, you can bring products from overseas
Speaker 1: and sell them here, and like I'd only been overseas
Speaker 1: to Fiji, which at this time like up until the
Speaker 1: age of twenty, and I've traveled heaps now, been to
Speaker 1: every continent except Antarctica. As I mentioned, in that job.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, you're just making shit out exactly.
Speaker 1: You haven't been anywhere exactly, And did I mention my
Speaker 1: brothers actually played Wimbledon?
Speaker 2: Not sure and at BJ exactly. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: that Charlie were talking about was you for sure exactly?
Speaker 1: I'm doing something. A psychologist could reflect on that and
Speaker 1: be like, this guy's just reflecting or mirroring his childhood
Speaker 1: desires on this kid, or so who's the messed up
Speaker 1: one In the end, it's me. So yeah, it goes
Speaker 1: full circle life. But I hadn't experienced that, and like
Speaker 1: in year eleven, I hadn't experienced that global traveling and
Speaker 1: seeing the world. I just I loved it. I loved
Speaker 1: the sound of it. And it wasn't until a year
Speaker 1: or two into starting Tripete, and we started in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen when I was bringing products in from overseas, superfoods
Speaker 1: from around the world, and I was exporting to all
Speaker 1: these customers around the world, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've achieved what I wanted to do back in year eleven.
Speaker 1: I'm an importer and exporter and I just had this.
Speaker 1: I had this amazing feeling of satisfaction where it's like,
Speaker 1: if you allow the world to do its thing and
Speaker 1: you work hard and you dream big, your purpose ends
Speaker 1: up aligning with your passion, or you could say it
Speaker 1: the other way around, your passion ends up aligning with
Speaker 1: your purpose. And it's special.
Speaker 2: It is special, so special, so so special. But what
Speaker 2: I love about your story and I find so interesting
Speaker 2: is that in between there was a big intervening period
Speaker 2: where you lost the opportunity really to go on any
Speaker 2: pathway and to be productive in any kind of way
Speaker 2: towards any passion or any purpose. And that that might
Speaker 2: after UNI and starting to find a forum where you
Speaker 2: did feel a bit more yourself and you did start
Speaker 2: to sow really important seeds in twenty eleven, that kind
Speaker 2: of all really that the whole forward motion stopped. And
Speaker 2: I imagine that that would have been reflecting straight after
Speaker 2: the exchange is one of the worst periods of your
Speaker 2: life where you were diagnosed with chronic and then for
Speaker 2: three and a half years before the twenty sixteen idea
Speaker 2: for Trapeka kind of came up, you were really wiped
Speaker 2: off being able to sort of do anything on your
Speaker 2: way toa So can you talk us through that because
Speaker 2: I think that's quite a common experience for people who
Speaker 2: have gone into the world of wellness where they've had
Speaker 2: some kind of big health crisis that's forced them to
Speaker 2: acknowledge their limits to learn about good nutrition. But most
Speaker 2: of the time it's women. I haven't heard of many
Speaker 2: men who have run headlong into a chronic fatigue wall,
Speaker 2: but particularly not that's lasted and persisted for.
Speaker 3: Sort of three years of their life.
Speaker 2: And I imagine that during that time you would have
Speaker 2: lost focus completely on purpose and passion, just trying to
Speaker 2: be able to get up and go, you know, go
Speaker 2: to the toilet or eat food by yourself or sit up.
Speaker 2: How you couldn't even go out for your twenty first birthday.
Speaker 2: That's a massive diversion in your way toa that probably
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know about.
Speaker 3: That would have felt like this is the end of
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 2: So talk to us about that period before now coming
Speaker 2: into the purpose that you have and how you got
Speaker 2: through it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, this could be a three hour conversation,
Speaker 1: but we'll condense it. Yeah. I went through hell and
Speaker 1: back a number of times for three and a half years.
Speaker 1: It was beyond painful. So chronic fatigues come a long
Speaker 1: way in the last ten years. This is twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: but in twenty eleven, chronic fatigue, I mean, it's an
Speaker 1: exclusionary illness, and it's a doctor's way of politely saying,
Speaker 1: I've got no idea what's wrong with you, and we
Speaker 1: hate CAYLB. We don't give you much hope of getting better.
Speaker 1: I had chronic inflammation throughout my whole body every single day.
Speaker 1: I liken it to feeling like you've been hit by
Speaker 1: you know, when you have the flu really bad and
Speaker 1: you feel like you've been hit by the by a bus.
Speaker 1: I felt that all day, every day for three and
Speaker 1: a half years, just constant, constant, constant pain, flu like
Speaker 1: symptoms all the time. I couldn't run fifty meters without
Speaker 1: feeling dizzy. Memory ReCore obviously wasn't their depressive thoughts, suicidal
Speaker 1: thoughts at times, and the big one a lack of
Speaker 1: so you know, you're when the medical establishment don't even
Speaker 1: know what's wrong with you and don't know how to
Speaker 1: diagnose you, and you put all your trust in them,
Speaker 1: then it doesn't lead to being able to generate any hope.
Speaker 1: And you know, the cliff notes on what I found
Speaker 1: out was the reason behind it. I actually went on
Speaker 1: my own path of self discovery. I found an area
Speaker 1: of medicine called functional medicine or integrative medicine, which actually
Speaker 1: treats the body as a whole. And I've got some
Speaker 1: real heroes almost you could say, in the functional medicine space.
Speaker 1: That also leads into like the biohacking space, which is
Speaker 1: people who are like into longevity and want to get
Speaker 1: the most out of their life through dietary and nutritional
Speaker 1: and lifestyle choices. Those guys led me onto the path
Speaker 1: of like realizing that there was hope, there was a
Speaker 1: way I could get healthy, and also showed me what
Speaker 1: it was that was the catalyst. So it was five
Speaker 1: years of antibiodic use for my skin, using antibiotics long
Speaker 1: term that destroyed my digestive track, caused dispios which is
Speaker 1: far more bad bacteria than good bacteria that it's not
Speaker 1: working in symbiosis. And when you do that, then you
Speaker 1: crash your immune system. They say somewhere between sixty to
Speaker 1: eighty percent. Most say around seventy percent of your immune
Speaker 1: system is associated with your gut and the microbiome that's
Speaker 1: within your gut, and I destroyed that completely. And then
Speaker 1: what was worse was when I started to feel really
Speaker 1: sick and I had flu like symptoms because my immune
Speaker 1: system was trashed, and I went to a range of
Speaker 1: GPS and unfortunately their understanding in twenty eleven of this
Speaker 1: kind of abuse of antibiotics and also the symptoms that
Speaker 1: come from it, they didn't know what the issue was
Speaker 1: back then as well, a whole decade ago, so a
Speaker 1: long time, and so they prescribed me further antibiotics for
Speaker 1: my flu like symptoms, and so it made me even worse.
Speaker 1: So I went through absolute pain without a lot of hope,
Speaker 1: and I was flat broke riding around on a pushbike.
Speaker 1: I remember one of the worst occasions was writing down
Speaker 1: to Cohal's on my pushbike, absolutely flat broke with thirty
Speaker 1: bucks in my bank account. You know, it nearly makes
Speaker 1: me cry even today, like needing to buy enough groceries.
Speaker 1: It was the equivalent of probably fifty bucks worth, knowing
Speaker 1: I only had thirty dollars. Absolutely chronically sick anxiety through
Speaker 1: the roof. So I had chronic anxiety, chronic social anxiety,
Speaker 1: which is all just your typical symptoms of having, you know,
Speaker 1: gut related issues. Obviously not all anxieties associated with that,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people that have a connection
Speaker 1: between gut related issues and mental health. So you know,
Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Amen is an amazing and quite famous psychiatrist
Speaker 1: in the US that talks a lot about this, has
Speaker 1: some New York Times best selling books, So that applies
Speaker 1: to you. I definitely recommend you check for the listeners
Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Amen. And so I just had this horrible
Speaker 1: social anxiety, horrible anxiety, horrible sickness, horrible physical symptoms, riding
Speaker 1: around on a pushbike while absolutely exhausted and flat broke,
Speaker 1: and I hit rock bottom, and I hit rock bottom
Speaker 1: for a long time, but there was something inside of
Speaker 1: me that still was like, you know what, like I
Speaker 1: can overcome, and I know I can overcome because there's
Speaker 1: people in the past that have overcome things far greater
Speaker 1: than this. And my brother in law had these self
Speaker 1: development books that he had on his shelf at that time,
Speaker 1: and that was given to him by his dad, and
Speaker 1: one of them was Tony Robbins, and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of other ones as well on that bookshelf. And
Speaker 1: so the only thing I could go do at the
Speaker 1: time was go and read self development books and read
Speaker 1: biographies of people that had overcome things far greater than
Speaker 1: what I was going through. And that was a really pivotal,
Speaker 1: pivotal time, because it's during your darkest times, in your
Speaker 1: most painful times, that it either crushes you or it
Speaker 1: strengthened you in the furnace. And although I couldn't see
Speaker 1: it at the time, it was strengthening me in the
Speaker 1: furnace to be able to do what I do today,
Speaker 1: which is handle extreme pressure and weight on a fast
Speaker 1: growing business. I was so grateful and I still am
Speaker 1: today that we have access to people, you know, the
Speaker 1: Tony Robbins of the world, David Schwartz who wrote like
Speaker 1: the Magic of Thinking Big, and books along those lines
Speaker 1: that like transform the way you think, like I had
Speaker 1: access to it. Like you go to some places in
Speaker 1: the world at the moment, like North Korea, for example,
Speaker 1: and they don't give you access to anything other than
Speaker 1: the propaganda that the nation state gives to its people.
Speaker 1: And just the little blessing that I was able to
Speaker 1: read about people overcoming things far greater than what I
Speaker 1: was going through, and then also to have books on
Speaker 1: strategies to overcome Like Unlimited Power by Tony Robbins, written
Speaker 1: back in the eighties, is one of the most incredible
Speaker 1: books ever. The Magic of Thinking Big is one of
Speaker 1: the most incredible books ever. Like they're timeless books that
Speaker 1: reshaped how I thought, where everything around me was so
Speaker 1: dark and nothing seemed like there was going to be
Speaker 1: a positive out of it. And you know, I also
Speaker 1: had my spiritual faith at the time as well, which
Speaker 1: was which was so important. Having all of those come
Speaker 1: together shape me and then it led me onto a
Speaker 1: path of self discovery. And through that I found stuff
Speaker 1: on the internet. I found doctors in functional medicine that
Speaker 1: had been treating people with conditions that were incurable, right,
Speaker 1: and it led me then down on the path of
Speaker 1: like lifestyle changes as well as changes to my diet.
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, I read a book called I'm Not Crazy,
Speaker 1: I'm just a little unwell by former Sky News anchor
Speaker 1: Lee Hatcher. Yeah, and he noticed that when he ate
Speaker 1: an apple or something, he started to feel a little
Speaker 1: bit better. It sounds so basic, but he said keeping
Speaker 1: his blood sugar levels up helped him. And I'm like, hmm, interesting, Okay,
Speaker 1: nutrition's got something to do with helping him. So I
Speaker 1: started eating some apples and I was like, keep him
Speaker 1: my blood sugar level up. I'm like, oh, that's interesting, okay.
Speaker 1: And then and then I delved into this nutrition side
Speaker 1: of things. And remember I've got no background on this.
Speaker 1: Like I was the guy that would have a large
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love a large quarter pounded meal from McDonald's, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was the type of guy.
Speaker 3: You can't even remember that you've come.
Speaker 1: And so I found these holistic functional medicine practitioners and
Speaker 1: they said, get off all inflammatory foods, get off gluten, wheat, dairy, sugars,
Speaker 1: and eat whole foods. And I was like, okay. And
Speaker 1: I was seeing a dietitian at the time as well,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say bad things about her,
Speaker 1: but her understanding of this wasn't where where it needed
Speaker 1: to be in order for me to find healing. And
Speaker 1: she just had me on a typical dietitians kind of
Speaker 1: program that was the typical one in twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 1: it still had your whole grains. And your whole grains
Speaker 1: are important, and don't get me wrong, they're very important
Speaker 1: for people. But a sick person has to tinker with
Speaker 1: their diet in order to find underlying inflammatory foods that
Speaker 1: are causing the symptoms to exasperate themselves. And so I
Speaker 1: got off gluten. I started feeling better already. I'm like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like absolute shit every single day, but
Speaker 1: I still feel a bit rough. And I told this
Speaker 1: to the dietitian. She's like, oh, that's great, Okay, keep
Speaker 1: on doing that. I'm like, you know, this functional medicine
Speaker 1: practitioner actually said to get off dairy as well. And
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you know, you can, but probably won't
Speaker 1: do anything. And I got that exact response actually from
Speaker 1: GPS as well in twenty and eleven, twenty twelve. And
Speaker 1: I don't say this to rip on GPS or anyone
Speaker 1: like GPS are incredible. I have a GP in my family.
Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy what he does every single day.
Speaker 1: And without GPS we'd be screwed as a society. Without dietitians,
Speaker 1: we'd be stuffed as a society. So I don't say this.
Speaker 1: I say this too for people who are chronically sick,
Speaker 1: who are in my position to say there are all
Speaker 1: sorts of different opinions out there, and just as all
Speaker 1: doctors don't agree with each other, not all dietitians agree
Speaker 1: with each other, and not everyone knows the solution for you,
Speaker 1: And there is something powerful on finding out the solution
Speaker 1: through a range of different experts and seeing like I
Speaker 1: didn't make this up myself. I went to a functional
Speaker 1: medicine practitioner right to get this information, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: getting the answers elsewhere. So don't ever give up. Always
Speaker 1: look for new experts and their opinions, and keep on
Speaker 1: keeping on right. It's so important, and be brave enough
Speaker 1: to make decisions over your own health. If I didn't
Speaker 1: make a decision to get off dairy, then my life
Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed around. So let me tell you the
Speaker 1: whole story, because it's not just that. So I got
Speaker 1: off dairy, and I got off sugars and I ate
Speaker 1: whole foods and my life changed around in two to
Speaker 1: three weeks. If you could imagine feeling like you've been
Speaker 1: hit by bus every single day to literally feeling like
Speaker 1: a normal human again like you did five years earlier,
Speaker 1: it was the most incredible two weeks of my life,
Speaker 1: so impactful that it changed the course of my life,
Speaker 1: and I decided to start a health food business around it.
Speaker 1: Now here's the important point, really important. I did not
Speaker 1: cure myself by doing that, doing an elimination diet. All
Speaker 1: that does is take away the trigger foods that are
Speaker 1: causing you your symptoms to flare up. Right, So there
Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of then over the next few
Speaker 1: years where I had to had to actually cure, through
Speaker 1: the help of functional medicine practitioners, cure what was actually
Speaker 1: causing the issue and reheal my gut to a state
Speaker 1: where I can have gluten, I can have wheat today,
Speaker 1: and I can even have a bit of dairy if
Speaker 1: I want to. And so a lot of people think like, oh,
Speaker 1: an elimination diet or changing nutritions going to suddenly heal you.
Speaker 1: And in a lot of cases it can allow the
Speaker 1: body to heal itself, but there's generally a long process
Speaker 1: in a journey of healing. If you have been sick
Speaker 1: for a long time, you know there's functional dietitians out there,
Speaker 1: There's plenty of people that are interested in this area
Speaker 1: and line of thought that someone who is chronically sick,
Speaker 1: I would I'd recommend they go and talk to them.
Speaker 2: I agree with that so much. I think we've talked
Speaker 2: about the fact that we have such strong parallels in
Speaker 2: our business journeys. Having been through a period where I
Speaker 2: had chronic fatigue as well, not for three and a
Speaker 2: half years, but actually probably in total for three and
Speaker 2: a half years, with different flares of having taken like
Speaker 2: two terms of school and then a couple of years later,
Speaker 2: not being out of work for a couple of months,
Speaker 2: and like mine was sort of more in acute, small abouts,
Speaker 2: but persistent over a decade. And I think one of
Speaker 2: the things is that you don't necessarily need those extreme
Speaker 2: measures for your whole life. It's not a forever diagnosis,
Speaker 2: you know, you just need to create an environment for
Speaker 2: your body in that chapter, which is the same as
Speaker 2: your pathway to ya. It's like you need certain career
Speaker 2: circumstances in your life at different chapters, depending on what
Speaker 2: you need at that time. And chronic fatigue specifically is
Speaker 2: such a misunderstood like you can't even really diagnose it
Speaker 2: in western medicine. And so I was the same as you.
Speaker 2: I had to try all sorts of different things. I
Speaker 2: never would have tried because that's the thing that gave
Speaker 2: me results. But I think it's so important that you
Speaker 2: pointed out you weren't necessarily healing yourself. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that I think has probably made us or
Speaker 2: added to our experience as business people that being so
Speaker 2: sick taught us is patience, Like nothing happens overnight, and
Speaker 2: if you have ever learned how some things will slow
Speaker 2: you down and force you to slow down, like you know,
Speaker 2: I normally have a whole section called NATA on self
Speaker 2: doubt and compare and then burnout and getting off the
Speaker 2: conveyor belt. But I mean you had taken off it
Speaker 2: for three years, and so you had to separate your
Speaker 2: identity from productivity. You had to learn how flipping frustrating
Speaker 2: it is to have an intelligent mind, good resources, great practitioners,
Speaker 2: and still know that it's going to take you five
Speaker 2: to ten years to recover. But that's that's part of it, exactly.
Speaker 2: That's every day is like it's baby steps. Nothing is
Speaker 2: a quick fix. But each day you add and you
Speaker 2: chip away and you feel better. So true, Well, I'm
Speaker 2: sure we still have days where we push the balance
Speaker 2: too far and probably have a you know, have to
Speaker 2: be more careful than the average person. But it's a
Speaker 2: process and that's okay.
Speaker 1: And look, the big thing that I've learned as well
Speaker 1: is matching input with output. So now I recover just
Speaker 1: as hard as I work. You know, I work hours
Speaker 1: that would scare the vast majority of people on this planet.
Speaker 1: But I love it, right, I'm built for it, and
Speaker 1: I have this self awareness to know this is my
Speaker 1: passion because that's my passion and my purpose. Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't put the same well, maybe it puts a lot
Speaker 1: of strain on me, but I make sure that I
Speaker 1: recover and I look after myself and my input back
Speaker 1: into my body. Like I sleep for as long as
Speaker 1: I need to sleep every day. I eat really healthy,
Speaker 1: and I believe in balance as well. That's great. I
Speaker 1: also know the repercussions of having balance as well. If
Speaker 1: I have a big night and I still have them right,
Speaker 1: you know, with friends or whatever it might be. I
Speaker 1: make sure I'm breathing right, I make sure I'm meditating.
Speaker 1: I make sure that I'm taking some time away from
Speaker 1: my work to do other passions like play tennis and
Speaker 1: stay fited and exercise. And so a lot of people
Speaker 1: kind of fall into the trap of pushing themselves too much,
Speaker 1: which produces a lot of output, but they don't work
Speaker 1: just as hard as on themselves in terms of the
Speaker 1: input what they're doing to feed themselves, in terms of
Speaker 1: their their body, they're so their mind their spirit to
Speaker 1: keep them strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I often get people who are in
Speaker 2: the sort of your version of the three and a
Speaker 2: half years, like in the throes of that really tough
Speaker 2: time where they still can't get up and they still
Speaker 2: can't independently do the things they want to do, and
Speaker 2: a losing hope. And it's actually I think your story
Speaker 2: is such a reassuring example that you can get through it.
Speaker 2: You can go from being a person who can't get
Speaker 2: out of bed to living a very, very full life.
Speaker 2: You don't have to live a halfway life. You don't
Speaker 2: have to be sick forever. You do have to take
Speaker 2: care of yourself. But I'm almost glad that that crash
Speaker 2: came early in my life so I could learn the
Speaker 2: lessons that I had to learn that now allow me
Speaker 2: to have a fuller life than I probably would have
Speaker 2: been able to do if I'd crashed it thirty or
Speaker 2: forty or when I have kids, Like inevitably, we all
Speaker 2: have to learn where our limits are, and we just
Speaker 2: had to learn them really early. But I think that's
Speaker 2: equipped does really well to be able to navigate busy,
Speaker 2: full lives now.
Speaker 1: It's such a great perspective. I love that and it's
Speaker 1: so true. In twenty eleven, I was twenty and I
Speaker 1: could only work six hours, so I got sick. At
Speaker 1: the back half of twenty eleven, I could only work
Speaker 1: six hours a week. That's all I could do, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the time I was reading self development
Speaker 1: books and crying. Right, that was my life, and it
Speaker 1: builds resilience. Tough times suck, They suck massively, But for
Speaker 1: those going through tough times at the moment, like there
Speaker 1: is a path for you, be kind to yourself, be patient. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see if there's ways that you can work on yourself
Speaker 1: to become an even better human being in other areas
Speaker 1: of your life, so that when your body decides to
Speaker 1: rejuvenate and get your back on the right path, and
Speaker 1: you're just going to be an absolute winner, you know,
Speaker 1: like everyone's a winner, but a winner in the sense
Speaker 1: like you've used your downtime in a way that has
Speaker 1: been kind to yourself in multiple, multiple ways.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and there is a whole section on downtime and
Speaker 2: your identity outside of your work. But before we move
Speaker 2: on to that one, do tell us about your light
Speaker 2: at the end of the tunnel tripeka going from you know,
Speaker 2: you and a mate at a kitchen table in February
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen to now being served in fifty countries with
Speaker 2: like five thousand five star reviews, which those starts have
Speaker 2: probably changed enormously by now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're up to over seventeen thousand five star reviews,
Speaker 1: So it's whoah been fun?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Well, yeah, talk us through everything from
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen to now, because I also think we skate
Speaker 2: over I mean, there are so many highlights, but we
Speaker 2: skate over that bit where people go from I have
Speaker 2: never had a business, I know nothing about business and
Speaker 2: I've never worked in this industry to like, bang, I've
Speaker 2: got a business. The next day, Like what were those
Speaker 2: first initial steps? I think it was one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty thousand initial self funded investment and then it has
Speaker 2: grown to what it is today.
Speaker 3: So took us through that.
Speaker 1: So to really know what was involved, you got to
Speaker 1: go back to two thousand and eight, Like I remember
Speaker 1: finishing high school and I was seventeen. I was too
Speaker 1: young to go party with my friends, and no one
Speaker 1: wanted to invite me out anyway, because I was the geek,
Speaker 1: and I was on the internet, like I was on
Speaker 1: internet forums, Like I knew of bitcoin when bitcoin was
Speaker 1: less than a dollar and I bought piercoin instead, and
Speaker 1: I bought a hundred of them. You know, that's how
Speaker 1: like long I've been. No, that's how long I've been
Speaker 1: around in the Internet's base for so I was doing
Speaker 1: like random stuff like trying to be an affiliate marketer
Speaker 1: after high school, trying to sell stuff on eBay, learning, learning, learning,
Speaker 1: making no money, like. I then learned some skills and
Speaker 1: did it for other businesses in twenty eleven, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: ten and the start of twenty eleven, just before I
Speaker 1: got sick and made a little bit of money on that.
Speaker 1: It like nothing for a full time income. But I
Speaker 1: was like spending so much time, like hours and hours
Speaker 1: and hours instead of on like the PlayStation doing something
Speaker 1: because I love business. And that's where it goes back to,
Speaker 1: like that was my passion. I'm a weirdo. I'd love
Speaker 1: to spend my free time learning about what was blogging
Speaker 1: back then in affiliate marketing instead of like playing a PlayStation, right,
Speaker 1: And so I put thousands of hours into this. And
Speaker 1: then in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and around twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: and I started to like get a little bit better
Speaker 1: before I made the big impact in my life of
Speaker 1: changing my diet. So I was able to do a
Speaker 1: little bit more work, and I was doing some on
Speaker 1: my marketing for the tennis industry I was in. So
Speaker 1: I had a website that had over two hundred video
Speaker 1: drills on it for coaches around the world, and they'd
Speaker 1: pay me a membership to do it. And I spent
Speaker 1: an ungodly amount of hours on that project and the
Speaker 1: equivalent of five bucks an hour probably if you worked
Speaker 1: out how much I made in the time. And it
Speaker 1: taught me so much in terms of what I do today.
Speaker 1: So when I decided in twenty fourteen with my business
Speaker 1: partner Blake, who's amazing, and like everything that looks beautiful
Speaker 1: at Trepeka is because of Blake, Like he's an absolute
Speaker 1: branding mastermind, is incredible. I do all the boring stuff
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. He was my housemate and we were
Speaker 1: like he had his own health issues as well, and
Speaker 1: we'd go down to the health food store and we'd realize,
Speaker 1: this is in twenty fourteen when we just made this
Speaker 1: breakthrough in like realizing like nutrition is key. We'd go
Speaker 1: down to the health food store and we'd realize the
Speaker 1: only people going into a health food store are old
Speaker 1: people and hippies. And it's like this needs to be
Speaker 1: made like ches, this needs to be like relatable to
Speaker 1: young people, Like why is that a young person on
Speaker 1: social media can talk about so comfortably getting hammered on
Speaker 1: a sad today night, which there's a time and place
Speaker 1: for like I'm a young guy, but they can't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable about talking about that. They're into health and wellness
Speaker 1: and these are the brands that represent them. And like
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, people are listening and being like,
Speaker 1: yes they can, Like in twenty fourteen, that just wasn't
Speaker 1: the case. Like Trepeka was the pioneers of that in
Speaker 1: Australia when we launched in twenty sixteen. We made health
Speaker 1: foods cool and there was no one else doing it
Speaker 1: now like you go. We went through a trade show
Speaker 1: recently in our space in the in the health food space,
Speaker 1: and it's like all these other companies like doing what
Speaker 1: we pioneered, which is awesome because like our biggest competitors
Speaker 1: are Coca Cola, you know, and soft drinks. It's not
Speaker 1: the guy selling protein and superfoods. It's like that's our teammates.
Speaker 1: It's how I look at it, Like we're in the
Speaker 1: business and making people healthy. Oh that's amazing, And so
Speaker 1: Blake and I were like, Okay, let's make this cool.
Speaker 1: And so we're like, well, I've been hustling online for
Speaker 1: a long time, Like I know online marketing and I
Speaker 1: know so and Blake knows branding, and we actually both
Speaker 1: know each other's strengths as well. We don't know product development.
Speaker 1: So we spent two years from twenty fourteen, well from
Speaker 1: August twenty fourteen to February twenty sixteen we launched. We
Speaker 1: spent two years finding the best suppliers in the world,
Speaker 1: the best product quality, the best product formulators, and then
Speaker 1: building our website. Like it's not an overnight process. And
Speaker 1: that was coming from two guys that actually knew business
Speaker 1: and new online marking, so it's not an overnight thing.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, we eventually launched in twenty sixteen. We
Speaker 1: put sixty thousand dollars in each, so one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty K, and I had three hundred dollars in my
Speaker 1: bank account for the next couple of years as we
Speaker 1: grew Trepeka killing air exactly. Like people don't see that,
Speaker 1: like they see the big numbers, they don't see the
Speaker 1: fact that from twenty fourteen, when I started first putting
Speaker 1: money into the into because I could work more. So
Speaker 1: when I say we put sixty k in and it
Speaker 1: wasn't we put sixty k in in twenty fourteen, I
Speaker 1: got healthy. I then put money in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and then twenty fifteen twenty sixteen financial year, I made
Speaker 1: ninety odd thousand dollars. It got taxed, and I put
Speaker 1: literally everything that I had left over in the business.
Speaker 1: That's how I was able to put sixty k in
Speaker 1: like it wasn't I had sixty K available to me
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. I did everything. Luckily, Blake had some savings,
Speaker 1: So I was always a little bit annoyed because like,
Speaker 1: I'm literally like living off two hundred bucks and I
Speaker 1: know you got some savings. He's a bit older than
Speaker 1: me and was more successful than me at that time.
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is once twenty sixteen hit, like
Speaker 1: around that period, he still had to put more money
Speaker 1: and he got into the same position as me where
Speaker 1: we literally we had no money, and then we had
Speaker 1: no money for twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen because all
Speaker 1: the profit we made we put back into the business
Speaker 1: to grow. And so you're talking like I was sick
Speaker 1: before that, and then before that I was at university.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't until twenty eighteen that I actually had
Speaker 1: money in my bank account, and it wasn't even anything special,
Speaker 1: but it was the first time at the age of
Speaker 1: twenty seven that I had money in my bank account.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven I'd risked everything. So the moral of the
Speaker 1: story is like there's no easy path. That was me
Speaker 1: working and Blake working sixteen hour days, having two businesses
Speaker 1: so that we could support ourselves while Trepeka made no
Speaker 1: money up until the age of twenty seven, flat broke,
Speaker 1: absolutely flat broke. So and I mean I was driving
Speaker 1: around like I don't like materialism. I think materialism is
Speaker 1: a massive trap. But one thing I went and bought,
Speaker 1: which I was a goal of mine because it was
Speaker 1: special to my heart, was I bought a car that
Speaker 1: I really wanted, and I bought that because in twenty
Speaker 1: eleven I rode around on a pushbike with thirty bucks
Speaker 1: in my wallet. Like I said, in twenty sixteen, I
Speaker 1: rode around in a Holden Commodore nineteen ninety nine. While
Speaker 1: starting Trepeka, I then upgraded to a Ford Falcon, a green,
Speaker 1: horrible looking Ford Falcon in my dream car. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: I upgraded. I paid three thousand or four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for a Ford Falcon, which was ugly as anything. It
Speaker 1: was not giving me any hope of getting a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And it burnt down in the middle of Paramatta four
Speaker 1: weeks after I launched Trepeka. And I looked at Blake
Speaker 1: on that day and I said, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Trapeka is going to be huge, And we convinced ourselves
Speaker 1: off nothing but an absolute lie to ourselves that it's okay.
Speaker 1: My car just burnt down in the middle of Paramatter.
Speaker 1: And it burnt down because the previous owners decided to
Speaker 1: do some DIY electrics under the seat, which I didn't
Speaker 1: know about. Lucky you were okay, Yeah, Well, that's a
Speaker 1: funny story. As well, because my best mate was with
Speaker 1: me at the time and he had coconut water with
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, put the coconut water on the
Speaker 1: on the sparks and it's like he valued the coconut
Speaker 1: water more than my car and he's like, no, it
Speaker 1: won't work. And by the time we argued over it,
Speaker 1: my heart my seat was on fire. And then I'm like, crap,
Speaker 1: all my tennis is in the back, so I had
Speaker 1: to take all my tennis are out and then core
Speaker 1: triple O for the first time in my life. And
Speaker 1: so I've always had this running story with my best
Speaker 1: mate that he values He pretty much valued his two
Speaker 1: dollars coconut water over my precious Ford Falcon car.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but as a health nut, you should really
Speaker 2: appreciate that that was his health and well being above
Speaker 2: all else, which we fully support. We did, don't we do.
Speaker 1: There you go, Aaron, and I went to your match
Speaker 1: of milk Bar in Sint Kilda and loved it. I
Speaker 1: had to take away match up. That was just before
Speaker 1: COVID hit last year, so oh my god. I was
Speaker 1: that last bit of freedom I felt was hanging out
Speaker 1: at your milk bar getting a takeaway Matcher, which was delicious.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. I also just love that you
Speaker 2: have been a pioneer in this space beautifully branded completely
Speaker 2: change the way we perceive health food and supplements and
Speaker 2: naturally boosting our health and wellbeing. But I love that
Speaker 2: you are really open about the fact that and I
Speaker 2: try to be as well that like, actually, it's don't
Speaker 2: make money. Like at the start, people think they look
Speaker 2: at you because the business growth it looks like it's
Speaker 2: expanding all the time, but that takes all of your
Speaker 2: cash and they wouldn't understand when we go out and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, I've got to you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to have that extra whatever it is. Like
Speaker 2: I'd be, you know, checking if my avocado was seven
Speaker 2: dollars on the side and be like, oh no, I
Speaker 2: can buy my own ather card. And they just wouldn't
Speaker 2: get it because until you've done it and managed your
Speaker 2: own cash flow, it's like there is not a dollar spare, Like,
Speaker 2: not two dollars to rub together, not even fifty cent
Speaker 2: pieces to rub together, because everything goes into the growth.
Speaker 2: But that comes again back to that idea of like
Speaker 2: you have to be patient through the bits where it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel as good as it does now to get
Speaker 2: to the bit where it does now. And that's again
Speaker 2: the bit people forget. I think they just do see
Speaker 2: from the outside. Of course, it can look like an
Speaker 2: overdight success, because if something isn't in your consciousness and
Speaker 2: then suddenly it is and it's doing really well and
Speaker 2: it's big and beautiful, it's natural to assume that. But
Speaker 2: I think that's why I love these conversations, because you
Speaker 2: do get to see behind the scenes. You were like flat, broke,
Speaker 2: car burnt, like still couldn't you know, afford your groceries,
Speaker 2: still had no idea what was going on, and like
Speaker 2: it's been a journey to get here. You know, who
Speaker 2: wants to I mean living it up?
Speaker 1: Who wants to be an entrepreneur? And then a true
Speaker 1: entrepreneur's crazy because we just brought out like this is
Speaker 1: our most proud product. I'm holding up our vitamins that
Speaker 1: we just brought out, and it's like, as soon as
Speaker 1: we got money, we're like, well, let's bring out vitamins
Speaker 1: because we don't care about patch flow.
Speaker 3: You know, let's pie more stuff exactly.
Speaker 1: Not only that, let's bring out like the highest quality
Speaker 1: of vitamins we can possibly think of and which ain't cheap.
Speaker 1: Let's do that as.
Speaker 2: Well, say what a bargain.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're really cheap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean only only was multiple, multiple hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to bring out that project. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like that's the fun, you know, Like we have a
Speaker 1: mission statement here and it's because like of the health
Speaker 1: issues we Bake and I went through, and it's like
Speaker 1: we are on a mission to help millions of people
Speaker 1: in their health. And that's always our norse style, our
Speaker 1: guiding star. It's not I want to make a kazillion dollars.
Speaker 1: It's like you help enough people and you'd be a
Speaker 1: blessing to enough people, and that will naturally come and
Speaker 1: then you'll probably be crazy and you'll make money and
Speaker 1: then invest it in a whole bunch of new products
Speaker 1: as well. Like the cycle will just continue. But if
Speaker 1: we're true to our mission, like we saw a gap
Speaker 1: in the in the vitamin market and we're like, you
Speaker 1: know what, like this these vitamins are going to really
Speaker 1: be able to impact people. We know we can bring
Speaker 1: something out here that will truly be special for our
Speaker 1: customer base and our future customer base. It's going to
Speaker 1: cost us a lot of money, it's going to take
Speaker 1: cash flow away from the business, but hey, let's do
Speaker 1: it because it's part of our mission. So it's part
Speaker 1: of the fun of being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that comes back to something you said at
Speaker 2: the beginning as well, even just back to subject choices
Speaker 2: in year twelve. I think so many of us like
Speaker 2: reverse engineer what we think is going to get marked
Speaker 2: up or what's going to be fancy or look successful
Speaker 2: or whatever. But if you just choose the things you're
Speaker 2: good at and choose the things that you love, oh
Speaker 2: my god, sorry, that's pull in the background. If you
Speaker 2: choose things that you love and that you're good at,
Speaker 2: you'll probably do better than by choosing and forcing yourself
Speaker 2: into something that isn't your strength and isn't your passion,
Speaker 2: but just because you think you should. When you go
Speaker 2: with what you're good at, and when you go with
Speaker 2: what suits you and what suits your skills and your
Speaker 2: weaknesses and all those kinds of things, things turn out
Speaker 2: better anyway.
Speaker 1: So true, it's much easier to avoid things like burnout
Speaker 1: when you're doing something that you genuinely enjoy. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of someone like getting burnout from eating too
Speaker 1: many ice creams? You know, it's such a stupid example,
Speaker 1: but it's like, or have you have you have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of someone getting burnout from, like if they're
Speaker 1: into sport, watching too many sports matches. It's like, no
Speaker 1: one ever struggles being like sitting on the couch, and like,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of someone getting burnout or watching Netflix?
Speaker 3: I probably have.
Speaker 2: If anyone's done it, it's probably me, like a real
Speaker 2: hard like real intent, all.
Speaker 1: Right, you just forget to drink and go go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, I really like I just a type achieve
Speaker 2: it everything.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm going to be the best ever Netflix.
Speaker 2: Watcher ever plus.
Speaker 1: So good. I'm going to watch this series before anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like I suppose, Look, it's very hard to overdo
Speaker 1: it when you're passionate, as long here's the caveat, here's
Speaker 1: a caveat, as long as you're still focusing on your input.
Speaker 1: So what are you doing? Are you meditating? Are you
Speaker 1: sleeping enough? You're drinking a lot of like enough water,
Speaker 1: You're having enough healthy salts. Are you taking time away
Speaker 1: from your passion? Are you eating healthy every single day,
Speaker 1: are you allowing ten percent wiggle room? And then perhaps
Speaker 1: when you do have a bit of balance and have
Speaker 1: a bit of wiggle room with not eating the best
Speaker 1: foods for you, are you then allocating time post that
Speaker 1: in order to recover, Like a great time to have
Speaker 1: balance is Saturday night or Friday night. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: go wild on a Tuesday night because I have responsibilities
Speaker 1: the next day.
Speaker 2: Right, you're missing out mate, tuesdays exactly, Like you can
Speaker 2: recover on like a Saturday morning, a Sunday morning, Right,
Speaker 2: So you can be strategic around your balance.
Speaker 1: You can be strategic around your inputs totally. And I
Speaker 1: hope people understand what I mean by input.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that leads really nicely to the last section
Speaker 2: your playta, which is about the input the ways that
Speaker 2: you put back into your energy, into your nourishment, into
Speaker 2: your life. But it's strictly limited to the things that
Speaker 2: aren't productive or that aren't teaching you something. Because my
Speaker 2: downtime used to be totally consumed in self development because
Speaker 2: of the role that it's played in getting me healthy
Speaker 2: again and because of the way that it's positively changed
Speaker 2: my life. But I characterize that as downtime when actually
Speaker 2: it's still on time. And then I didn't make any
Speaker 2: time for actual downtime where I was just doing things
Speaker 2: for pure joy. And I think even if you do
Speaker 2: love what you do, and even if it doesn't burn
Speaker 2: you out, you don't want to get to the end
Speaker 2: of your life and think I just worked and then
Speaker 2: I died, Like there was no joy, There was no leisure,
Speaker 2: there was no play or adventure. So what are the
Speaker 2: things that you do that might seem like a waste
Speaker 2: of time but that just bring you joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so so important to have that
Speaker 1: in your life. So important to have distractions in your
Speaker 1: life as well, you actually perform better and do more work.
Speaker 1: And you can have micro distractions as well during the day.
Speaker 1: So like one thing I do every single day is
Speaker 1: I go for a walk, right, even occasionally go for
Speaker 1: two walks, like that downtime just being in.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I know, radically calm down.
Speaker 1: I'm a wild man. I'm a wild man. And just
Speaker 1: having that like present moment is so important. Right. I
Speaker 1: play a lot of tennis last night, Like I had
Speaker 1: a huge day and then I went and played tennis.
Speaker 1: And because I actually had that downtime, I was able
Speaker 1: to then go and work well into the night. And
Speaker 1: I was able to do that because of the break
Speaker 1: that I was able to have. I love nature. I
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in nature on the weekends.
Speaker 1: I really like going for hikes and walks. But you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be honest as well, like a
Speaker 1: lot of my downtime I am I'm borderline crazy, like
Speaker 1: and I have the self awareness to know that, Like
Speaker 1: a lot of my downtime is work, is work related stuff,
Speaker 1: but like I don't advise it. I simply don't advise it.
Speaker 1: Like like what you're saying, Like, it's only if you
Speaker 1: have an incredible amount of self awareness to know that, Okay,
Speaker 1: this thing that is actually downtime for me but is
Speaker 1: actually work still is truly downtime. So for instance, I'll
Speaker 1: give you some examples, like I love I love listening
Speaker 1: to podcasts where I finish a podcast and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just had a perspective change or I learned something
Speaker 1: new about whether it's business, whether it's about leadership, whether
Speaker 1: it's about personal development, whether it's like I was listening
Speaker 1: to podcast Jordan Peterson had last night with a lady
Speaker 1: that had escaped North Korea, and it just like and
Speaker 1: here I am. My day is so hard. I've got
Speaker 1: so much weight and pressure on me. And then I
Speaker 1: hear someone talk about what they went through, and perspective
Speaker 1: shift straight away, like I've got nothing but gratitude to
Speaker 1: be thankful for. So like that stuff nourishes my soul.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a big fan of social media, but
Speaker 1: I spend enough time on it where I can scroll,
Speaker 1: but I can also learn at the same time. You know,
Speaker 1: I follow people who know how to do social media,
Speaker 1: and as I scroll through my timeline, I see my
Speaker 1: mate who's doing god knows what and posting pictures of it.
Speaker 1: And then I've got the next person who's incredibly intelligent,
Speaker 1: smart and showing me how I could do social media better. Right,
Speaker 1: And so suddenly I've got some efficiencies there as well.
Speaker 1: And I can't really sugarcoat things too much in terms
Speaker 1: of my life, like I tell it how it is,
Speaker 1: like I need to be able to do all of
Speaker 1: this stuff in order to do what I do. But
Speaker 1: I'm so adamant that ninety nine point eight percent of
Speaker 1: people out there would hate to do what I do
Speaker 1: and shouldn't And that's such an important lesson in life,
Speaker 1: Like comparisons are so evil, Like never compare yourself to
Speaker 1: someone else. Like you'll see oh Caleb the CEO, Oh Caleb,
Speaker 1: He's this growing, massive business. And it's like I tell
Speaker 1: it to my friends that ask these questions all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like, you would absolutely hate to live my life.
Speaker 1: You would absolutely hate to live my life. But guess what,
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. And you know what, if I
Speaker 1: was a world class opera singer, I would absolutely hate that.
Speaker 1: But that world class opera singer who loves the pressure,
Speaker 1: loves the discipline and the refinement of skill, and loves
Speaker 1: spending thousands and thousands and thousands of hours in order
Speaker 1: to be the best in the world, she or he
Speaker 1: absolutely loves it. And they have the self awareness to
Speaker 1: know that they absolutely love it. So for me, I
Speaker 1: know that I absolutely love having downtime that is work time,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And I absolutely, I absolutely think it
Speaker 1: is the worst thing that anyone could do unless they
Speaker 1: have except me, unless they have complete self awareness over
Speaker 1: knowing themselves. And I have the self awareness as well
Speaker 1: to know that I'm also not Superman and I need
Speaker 1: to still have downtime, Like I go and like, as
Speaker 1: I said, love nature, love tennis. I also love like
Speaker 1: I watch the Paramatta Eels every weekend, which is a
Speaker 1: horrible thing to do because they're one of the shittiest
Speaker 1: teams on the planet and haven't won a premiership since
Speaker 1: I have been.
Speaker 2: Born underdog though underdog, right, it.
Speaker 1: Just creates more pain in my life. But it's an outlet, right,
Speaker 1: and that's all part of the fun. So like, I
Speaker 1: know during my day and I'm very grateful for it.
Speaker 1: As like a boss, I choose my own times and
Speaker 1: I have my own self responsibility, so I can say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've done this work. I can now go for a walk.
Speaker 1: I can I've done this work. I can now listen
Speaker 1: to a podcast. So I've done this work, and I
Speaker 1: can now do this or that in order to get
Speaker 1: my mind my body back to where it needs to
Speaker 1: be in order to carry more weight.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like you've just summarized the entire
Speaker 2: concept of this podcast, asked in that last paragraph, Like,
Speaker 2: it is so true that exactly what you love, the
Speaker 2: perfect circumstances and life set up for you, is literally
Speaker 2: going to be what people around you despise or would
Speaker 2: make them so unhappy. That is the nature of humanity.
Speaker 2: That what you find. And this is why I get
Speaker 2: so fascinated talking to people because things that literally make
Speaker 2: me want to throw up in my mouth a bit
Speaker 2: are things that other people are like, I am so obsessed.
Speaker 3: With that, and that is the fascinating thing.
Speaker 2: That's the message that I don't think we get as
Speaker 2: often that what is weird and wacky about you that
Speaker 2: you love about life, it's not meant to look like
Speaker 2: what anyone else loves or hates about life. And your job,
Speaker 2: your one job, is just to weighe through all the
Speaker 2: noise of comparison and what everyone else is doing and
Speaker 2: choosing to do in their life. Your best data point
Speaker 2: of feedback is whether you feel good or bad after
Speaker 2: you do something. And for some reason, don't we spend
Speaker 2: a whole portion of our life, like too much of
Speaker 2: our lives ignoring that and not like we have all
Speaker 2: the data and then we go, oh, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to ignore that and I'm just going
Speaker 2: to do what he's doing over there because that looks good.
Speaker 2: And then you're like, why am I unhappy because you
Speaker 2: didn't just go with your weird and wacky thing.
Speaker 3: That you love.
Speaker 1: That is so good. I had a conversation recently with
Speaker 1: a very close friend of mine and he's not where
Speaker 1: he necessarily wants to be in life at the moment,
Speaker 1: although he doesn't know where he wants to be. So
Speaker 1: I said, you know what you should be doing. You
Speaker 1: should be measuring your day in terms of happiness and
Speaker 1: putting it both in a short term and long term perspective.
Speaker 1: I broke down his day and he actually has a
Speaker 1: pretty amazing day. He texted me earlier as well, and
Speaker 1: it's his day off and it's like, firstly, it's a
Speaker 1: Wednesday and he's got a day off, which is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: so amazing.
Speaker 3: Winning celebrate that, mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, okay, tell me what you're doing
Speaker 1: at nine am on most days? Are you happy? Then? Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing at twelve on most days.
Speaker 1: Then tell me what you're doing at five pm or
Speaker 1: after you finish work. Are you happy then? And then
Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing at nine pm and are
Speaker 1: you happy then? And then measure that in terms of
Speaker 1: is this a short term happiness? That is going to
Speaker 1: be a law of diminishing returns? Where okay, you can
Speaker 1: get happiness from it, but eventually you'll get to an
Speaker 1: age where you won't have your shit together and you
Speaker 1: won't be happy because of the decisions you've made ten
Speaker 1: years ago. Or will this actually be something that you
Speaker 1: can add to your day that you're not doing a
Speaker 1: lot of And even if it is law of diminishing returns,
Speaker 1: it's okay. But then because you're not doing a lot
Speaker 1: of it, but it's bringing you that short term happiness,
Speaker 1: But then are you also fitting into your day something
Speaker 1: that's actually going to bring you long term happiness. So
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, like nine am, he's up
Speaker 1: and he's walking his dogs, right, or it could be
Speaker 1: eight am or seven am, and it's like, how amazing
Speaker 1: is that? You know, you're out in nature, you're spending
Speaker 1: time with man's best friend, and you in the present
Speaker 1: moment perfect that's not a law of diminishing returns. Then
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock he goes off to study and he's studying
Speaker 1: something that isn't easy for him in terms of enjoyment
Speaker 1: at the moment, but it's a long term fulfilling practice
Speaker 1: and he's doing something that short term isn't happiness, but
Speaker 1: long term is happiness. So he's ticking off that box.
Speaker 1: He does that, and then he gets home at five,
Speaker 1: He then, you know, might watch Netflix or cook something
Speaker 1: really nice, or play on the PlayStation or whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. And Okay, that's a short term law of
Speaker 1: diminishing returns. But he cycles that and he's not doing
Speaker 1: the same thing each day, so he's getting something new
Speaker 1: and it's okay because it's short term pleasure and you've
Speaker 1: done some long term pleasure before that, so that's great.
Speaker 1: So like you might spend a couple hours like pissing
Speaker 1: around some time, and that's really important and it's a distraction,
Speaker 1: that's a worthy distraction. And then I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 1: what do you do between seven pm and nine pm?
Speaker 1: Can you then spend that time after that time of happiness,
Speaker 1: of short term happiness then going back to long term fulfillment,
Speaker 1: long term happiness in your day where you're doing something
Speaker 1: that isn't structured study. It's actually study that you want
Speaker 1: to do, which is even more enjoyable short term, but
Speaker 1: it's also growing you as a person, so that if
Speaker 1: you do enough of it in twelve months time, you've
Speaker 1: actually put yourself in a position where you've got new
Speaker 1: skills and new personal characteristics and a new outlook on life.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing advice. And I also forgot to say,
Speaker 2: I love what you said before about micro distractions. I've
Speaker 2: never heard it put like that, but I think it's
Speaker 2: not just plata.
Speaker 3: It is about the.
Speaker 2: Distraction value, like pulling your brain out of what you do,
Speaker 2: even if it's towards something else that you do, but
Speaker 2: just out of the thing you've been doing all day,
Speaker 2: to distract your brain so that it comes back fresh.
Speaker 2: Like I love that. It's such so much wisdom in
Speaker 2: this episode. Thank you so much for sharing. I've got
Speaker 2: two more questions. One is three parts, so I actually
Speaker 2: have a formal question the three interesting things about you
Speaker 2: that don't normally come up in conversation. Three A, I
Speaker 2: feel like I want three personal ones. But three A,
Speaker 2: which I've forgot to ask earlier, is what does Tropeka mean?
Speaker 2: And how did you choose that name?
Speaker 1: All right, I will go Tripeka first, So great question. Firstly,
Speaker 1: you're pronouncing it right, and like it's standard to say
Speaker 1: it wrong, everyone says it wrong. To start with, it.
Speaker 2: Took me a long term. I was like tropiacre trophy acre.
Speaker 2: I used to say in my brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a combination of tropical and peak performance
Speaker 1: with an A on the end, so trop for tropical
Speaker 1: and peak performance. So yeah, we wanted to highlight the
Speaker 1: vibes of you know, we're from Sydney, Australia, our packaging
Speaker 1: is vibrant, we're at the I love the world famous
Speaker 1: Bondai Beach here in Sydney. We wanted those vibes coming
Speaker 1: through in the tropical vibes of of what we do
Speaker 1: and the imagery we present. And then obviously everything's about
Speaker 1: peak performance. So a lot of people are like, no,
Speaker 1: the the most important currency of life isn't money, it's time,
Speaker 1: which is pretty close to one hundred percent. But if
Speaker 1: you've got plenty of time and no energy, I would
Speaker 1: prefer to live to eighty with energy then live to
Speaker 1: ninety with no energy, right, So I'd actually say energy
Speaker 1: trumps that. So our whole mission in life is and
Speaker 1: that's why I'm into biohacking. I've got a personal instagram
Speaker 1: that talks a lot about these biohacks and whatnot, which
Speaker 1: is just lifestyle choices and nutritional choices to get the
Speaker 1: most out of life and give you the most energy.
Speaker 1: That peak performance is so important because that's how you
Speaker 1: really enjoy life. You can't follow your passion and purpose.
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't follow any passions or purpose when I
Speaker 1: was chronically sick, right, all I could do was just
Speaker 1: kind of sit around and read so and cry. So
Speaker 1: energy is so so important. I'm a big believer in it.
Speaker 1: And so that's why we did that. And then we're
Speaker 1: like in twenty sixteen, we're like, well, dudes aren't into
Speaker 1: health foods, which sucked, so like, well, at least women
Speaker 1: actually do, yeahs ruining. At least women like are intelligent
Speaker 1: around this stuff, you know, Like I'm like guys, So
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, we'll just sell it to women because
Speaker 1: they're the ones that actually care about looking after their
Speaker 1: health and health foods rather than just taking some bro
Speaker 1: science you know, protein powderful of all sorts of crap
Speaker 1: and some pre workout that's going to make you feel
Speaker 1: like you've just taken off to the moon and then
Speaker 1: crashed all in one. And so so that's why we
Speaker 1: added an alien because it was a little bit feminine
Speaker 1: as well. Tropica Oh is that Highty A was there.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now guys have caught up and we've just
Speaker 1: started selling to two guys at least in the fact
Speaker 1: that we've got a dedicated space on our website for it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It might need to be trying to.
Speaker 3: Drop the.
Speaker 2: Nice yeah or.
Speaker 1: Tropicaspekus yeah nice.
Speaker 2: All right, three quirky things about you, but personal life
Speaker 2: you like you only your girlfriend would know, like weird
Speaker 2: sleeping habits or party tricks or like weird middle names,
Speaker 2: like stuff that just doesn't normally come up in interviews.
Speaker 1: Okay, I clearly don't meditate for long enough before bed
Speaker 1: because I have full on, like conversations, arguments, adventures during
Speaker 1: sleep that my girlfriend puts up.
Speaker 3: With great good ones.
Speaker 1: So there's that party tricks. I can spit like a snake.
Speaker 1: I taught myself to do that at the age of twelve.
Speaker 1: Quite an achievement. My parents are really proud.
Speaker 3: You should have some sort of certificate for that or something.
Speaker 1: No, exactly, a diploma, a diploma and snake spirit.
Speaker 2: So wait, how do you what is it?
Speaker 1: So I'm going to look like an idiot because I've
Speaker 1: talked a lot, so I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: sliver in my mouth. I'm just drinking decend.
Speaker 2: But you don't have to show me, okay, Yeah, see
Speaker 2: if you can do it.
Speaker 1: So so you put your you push your tongue out
Speaker 1: your you bend it back and by bending it back
Speaker 1: and then pushing the bottom of your tongue almost it
Speaker 1: activates the saliva glands underneath your tongue and it comes
Speaker 1: out spitting like a snake. So yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're just making up ship again.
Speaker 3: If you can't show.
Speaker 1: Me, okay, you want me to do it? Oh god,
Speaker 1: I look, if you can, you're going to You're going
Speaker 1: to screenshot this and just put it as your Instagram post,
Speaker 1: aren't you.
Speaker 2: I'm videoing right now this come out.
Speaker 1: I see if I can do it, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'll be able to do it because I don't have
Speaker 1: enough sliva.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, do you see it?
Speaker 1: A little bit came out, not a lot. It's on
Speaker 1: my pants.
Speaker 2: That was amazing. Yeah, I love you were really dedicated.
Speaker 1: I like it. It works, trust me.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the classiest thing that you would
Speaker 2: want to whip out as a party trick, but I
Speaker 2: like it. It's you know, it's you Nique. Of all things.
Speaker 1: I have a very high threshold for embarrassment, so I
Speaker 1: definitely whip it out at parties. I was doing it
Speaker 1: literally at a party two weeks ago, and I was
Speaker 1: really annoyed on a Tuesday right exactly. My friends willed
Speaker 1: to accept me for I am. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like my life has been so much better
Speaker 2: since I just came out of the weirdo closet, as like,
Speaker 2: not trying to pretend I was cool, just fully embracing
Speaker 2: the nerdy, weirdo, crazy person that I am.
Speaker 3: It's been really liberating and wonderful.
Speaker 1: Imagine us at a party then, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, can you even We'd just be drinking spirillinau in
Speaker 2: the corner. Just wouldn't be a good time for anyone else, and.
Speaker 3: You'd be spitting it all over.
Speaker 2: But it just wouldn't be very.
Speaker 1: Nice a party, just green spirillina venom coming out.
Speaker 3: Man on a Tuesday night. What a great time?
Speaker 2: Very last question. Favorite quote, Well, I've.
Speaker 1: Got a bunch up on my wardrobe at home. Probably
Speaker 1: the most simple is pro noya. So it's the opposite
Speaker 1: of paranoia. So paranoia is the feeling of the world
Speaker 1: is out to get you. Pro Noya is the feeling
Speaker 1: that the world, God, the universe, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it, is out to bless you and there's nothing
Speaker 1: I can do to stop it. So I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer in pro noya. I'm a big believer in just
Speaker 1: like quotes like things that I actually took these quotes from,
Speaker 1: like Tony Robbin's original, the original book I read Unlimited Power.
Speaker 1: It's like things don't have meaning. We assign meaning to everything,
Speaker 1: like reality doesn't exist, like we create reality. The other
Speaker 1: one I love. I think it was Muhammad Ali that
Speaker 1: first said this. It's like people wear themselves out before
Speaker 1: they even get to the mountain with the little pebble
Speaker 1: that's in their shoe. So I just have a phrase
Speaker 1: that I say to myself every day, like don't let
Speaker 1: the little pebble in my shoe wear me out. Like
Speaker 1: a job of a CEO is to put out fires.
Speaker 1: So like something's going wrong in the business every day,
Speaker 1: at least in a micro or macro level, and my
Speaker 1: job is to deal with that. And so you've constantly
Speaker 1: got pebbles in your shoes, and so that SAPs energy
Speaker 1: away from you. So your ability to not let the
Speaker 1: little pebble wear you out before you even get to
Speaker 1: the mountain. The big hurdles in life or in business.
Speaker 1: Is a great way to ensure you don't get burnout.
Speaker 2: What a beautiful way to end. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for sharing your wonderful story. It is so inspiring and
Speaker 2: so amazing everything you've done with Trapeka and continue to do.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about the new range. Congratulations and I'll
Speaker 2: make sure to include links to everything in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you so much, Sarah. I had so much fun.
Speaker 2: We didn't end up getting as much time to talk
Speaker 2: about the actual products as I thought we would, but
Speaker 2: I'll quickly just add that I use them every day
Speaker 2: and have since way before I met Caleb. You've probably
Speaker 2: actually heard me talk about them on the podcast before.
Speaker 2: They are just as beautiful and a high quality as
Speaker 2: he describes. I've popped a link in the show notes
Speaker 2: for anyone who's interested to try them. You don't get
Speaker 2: fourteen thousand and five star reviews for nothing more importantly
Speaker 2: for our chat today, though, I think Caleb has such
Speaker 2: a good head on his shoulders, and I loved the
Speaker 2: reminder about just sticking with your own happiness or unhappiness
Speaker 2: as your main data points for making decisions in your life,
Speaker 2: as well as the need for micro distractions and time
Speaker 2: away from your work, and just so much more. If
Speaker 2: you enjoyed or took anything away yourselves, please do share
Speaker 2: tagging at Tripeka or Caleb at c A La Sha
Speaker 2: l L to thank him for sharing his time so generously.
Speaker 2: I hope you guys are all having a great week
Speaker 2: and are seizing your yea