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Speaker 1: If you allow the world to do its thing, and

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Speaker 1: up aligning with your passion, or your passion ends up

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Speaker 1: aligning with your purpose. Comparisons are so evil. Never compare

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Speaker 1: yourself to someone else like You'll see our Caleb the CEO,

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Speaker 1: and it's like you would absolutely hate to live my life,

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Speaker 1: But guess what, I absolutely love it. You know what

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,

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Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

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Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or Spoon Full of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 2: funentrepreneurs swapped the suits and heels to co found matcha

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Speaker 2: Maiden and matcha Milkbar. CZA is a series of conversations

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Speaker 2: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 2: joy and fulfillment along the way. It's always such a

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Speaker 2: pleasure to join podcast forces, and after having an absolute

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Speaker 2: week we've turned the tables on CEO and co founder

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Speaker 2: Caleb Marshall, leading one of Australia's fastest growing and largest

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Speaker 2: and truly seizing his ya. As we so often reiterate

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. But even I was surprised by how candidly

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Speaker 2: Caleb discusses the tougher chapters of his path YAY, particularly

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Speaker 2: pivot is sure to reassure not just fellow chronic illness sufferers,

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Speaker 2: to become clear. I love how much I learned from

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Speaker 2: reminds me just how important it is to stick with

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Speaker 2: the wild and wacky things you love, because what makes

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Speaker 2: But that is the whole point of seizing your yea.

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Speaker 2: It's not meant to look like anyone else's. I hope

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Speaker 2: you guys enjoy as much as I did. Caleb, Welcome

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Speaker 1: Sarah, lovely to be here, Thanks for having.

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Speaker 2: Me, Thank you for swapping sides. I dropped on your

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Speaker 1: I just realized how much nicer sees the YA sounds

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Speaker 1: than whodious rough like, even when you just said it then,

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Speaker 1: I don't hear that. I don't hear the title too often.

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Speaker 1: It's like I felt icky about my own podcast just then.

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Speaker 1: But our guests are amazing, including you. We had an

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately we don't have a spiral in a challenge

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Speaker 1: for a long time, but there was something inside of

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Speaker 1: me that still was like, you know what, like I

436
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Speaker 1: can overcome, and I know I can overcome because there's

437
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Speaker 1: people in the past that have overcome things far greater

438
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Speaker 1: than this. And my brother in law had these self

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Speaker 1: development books that he had on his shelf at that time,

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Speaker 1: and that was given to him by his dad, and

441
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Speaker 1: one of them was Tony Robbins, and there was a

442
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Speaker 1: lot of other ones as well on that bookshelf. And

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Speaker 1: so the only thing I could go do at the

444
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Speaker 1: time was go and read self development books and read

445
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Speaker 1: biographies of people that had overcome things far greater than

446
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Speaker 1: what I was going through. And that was a really pivotal,

447
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Speaker 1: pivotal time, because it's during your darkest times, in your

448
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Speaker 1: most painful times, that it either crushes you or it

449
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: strengthened you in the furnace. And although I couldn't see

450
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Speaker 1: it at the time, it was strengthening me in the

451
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Speaker 1: furnace to be able to do what I do today,

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Speaker 1: which is handle extreme pressure and weight on a fast

453
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Speaker 1: growing business. I was so grateful and I still am

454
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Speaker 1: today that we have access to people, you know, the

455
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Speaker 1: Tony Robbins of the world, David Schwartz who wrote like

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Speaker 1: the Magic of Thinking Big, and books along those lines

457
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Speaker 1: that like transform the way you think, like I had

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Speaker 1: access to it. Like you go to some places in

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Speaker 1: the world at the moment, like North Korea, for example,

460
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Speaker 1: and they don't give you access to anything other than

461
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Speaker 1: the propaganda that the nation state gives to its people.

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Speaker 1: And just the little blessing that I was able to

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Speaker 1: read about people overcoming things far greater than what I

464
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Speaker 1: was going through, and then also to have books on

465
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Speaker 1: strategies to overcome Like Unlimited Power by Tony Robbins, written

466
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Speaker 1: back in the eighties, is one of the most incredible

467
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Speaker 1: books ever. The Magic of Thinking Big is one of

468
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Speaker 1: the most incredible books ever. Like they're timeless books that

469
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Speaker 1: reshaped how I thought, where everything around me was so

470
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Speaker 1: dark and nothing seemed like there was going to be

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Speaker 1: a positive out of it. And you know, I also

472
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Speaker 1: had my spiritual faith at the time as well, which

473
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Speaker 1: was which was so important. Having all of those come

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Speaker 1: together shape me and then it led me onto a

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Speaker 1: path of self discovery. And through that I found stuff

476
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Speaker 1: on the internet. I found doctors in functional medicine that

477
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Speaker 1: had been treating people with conditions that were incurable, right,

478
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Speaker 1: and it led me then down on the path of

479
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Speaker 1: like lifestyle changes as well as changes to my diet.

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Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, I read a book called I'm Not Crazy,

481
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Speaker 1: I'm just a little unwell by former Sky News anchor

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Speaker 1: Lee Hatcher. Yeah, and he noticed that when he ate

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Speaker 1: an apple or something, he started to feel a little

484
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Speaker 1: bit better. It sounds so basic, but he said keeping

485
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Speaker 1: his blood sugar levels up helped him. And I'm like, hmm, interesting, Okay,

486
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Speaker 1: nutrition's got something to do with helping him. So I

487
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Speaker 1: started eating some apples and I was like, keep him

488
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Speaker 1: my blood sugar level up. I'm like, oh, that's interesting, okay.

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Speaker 1: And then and then I delved into this nutrition side

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Speaker 1: of things. And remember I've got no background on this.

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Speaker 1: Like I was the guy that would have a large

492
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Speaker 1: you know, I'd love a large quarter pounded meal from McDonald's, right.

493
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Speaker 1: I was like, that was the type of guy.

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Speaker 3: You can't even remember that you've come.

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Speaker 1: And so I found these holistic functional medicine practitioners and

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Speaker 1: they said, get off all inflammatory foods, get off gluten, wheat, dairy, sugars,

497
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Speaker 1: and eat whole foods. And I was like, okay. And

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Speaker 1: I was seeing a dietitian at the time as well,

499
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to say bad things about her,

500
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Speaker 1: but her understanding of this wasn't where where it needed

501
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Speaker 1: to be in order for me to find healing. And

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Speaker 1: she just had me on a typical dietitians kind of

503
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Speaker 1: program that was the typical one in twenty fourteen, and

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Speaker 1: it still had your whole grains. And your whole grains

505
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Speaker 1: are important, and don't get me wrong, they're very important

506
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Speaker 1: for people. But a sick person has to tinker with

507
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Speaker 1: their diet in order to find underlying inflammatory foods that

508
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Speaker 1: are causing the symptoms to exasperate themselves. And so I

509
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Speaker 1: got off gluten. I started feeling better already. I'm like, wow, okay,

510
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like absolute shit every single day, but

511
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Speaker 1: I still feel a bit rough. And I told this

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Speaker 1: to the dietitian. She's like, oh, that's great, Okay, keep

513
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Speaker 1: on doing that. I'm like, you know, this functional medicine

514
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Speaker 1: practitioner actually said to get off dairy as well. And

515
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Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you know, you can, but probably won't

516
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Speaker 1: do anything. And I got that exact response actually from

517
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Speaker 1: GPS as well in twenty and eleven, twenty twelve. And

518
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Speaker 1: I don't say this to rip on GPS or anyone

519
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Speaker 1: like GPS are incredible. I have a GP in my family.

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Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy what he does every single day.

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Speaker 1: And without GPS we'd be screwed as a society. Without dietitians,

522
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: we'd be stuffed as a society. So I don't say this.

523
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Speaker 1: I say this too for people who are chronically sick,

524
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Speaker 1: who are in my position to say there are all

525
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: sorts of different opinions out there, and just as all

526
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: doctors don't agree with each other, not all dietitians agree

527
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Speaker 1: with each other, and not everyone knows the solution for you,

528
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Speaker 1: And there is something powerful on finding out the solution

529
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Speaker 1: through a range of different experts and seeing like I

530
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Speaker 1: didn't make this up myself. I went to a functional

531
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Speaker 1: medicine practitioner right to get this information, and I wasn't

532
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Speaker 1: getting the answers elsewhere. So don't ever give up. Always

533
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: look for new experts and their opinions, and keep on

534
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: keeping on right. It's so important, and be brave enough

535
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Speaker 1: to make decisions over your own health. If I didn't

536
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Speaker 1: make a decision to get off dairy, then my life

537
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed around. So let me tell you the

538
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: whole story, because it's not just that. So I got

539
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Speaker 1: off dairy, and I got off sugars and I ate

540
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Speaker 1: whole foods and my life changed around in two to

541
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Speaker 1: three weeks. If you could imagine feeling like you've been

542
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Speaker 1: hit by bus every single day to literally feeling like

543
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: a normal human again like you did five years earlier,

544
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Speaker 1: it was the most incredible two weeks of my life,

545
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: so impactful that it changed the course of my life,

546
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Speaker 1: and I decided to start a health food business around it.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the important point, really important. I did not

548
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Speaker 1: cure myself by doing that, doing an elimination diet. All

549
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: that does is take away the trigger foods that are

550
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: causing you your symptoms to flare up. Right, So there

551
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of then over the next few

552
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Speaker 1: years where I had to had to actually cure, through

553
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Speaker 1: the help of functional medicine practitioners, cure what was actually

554
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Speaker 1: causing the issue and reheal my gut to a state

555
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Speaker 1: where I can have gluten, I can have wheat today,

556
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Speaker 1: and I can even have a bit of dairy if

557
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Speaker 1: I want to. And so a lot of people think like, oh,

558
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: an elimination diet or changing nutritions going to suddenly heal you.

559
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: And in a lot of cases it can allow the

560
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: body to heal itself, but there's generally a long process

561
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Speaker 1: in a journey of healing. If you have been sick

562
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Speaker 1: for a long time, you know there's functional dietitians out there,

563
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: There's plenty of people that are interested in this area

564
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Speaker 1: and line of thought that someone who is chronically sick,

565
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Speaker 1: I would I'd recommend they go and talk to them.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that so much. I think we've talked

567
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Speaker 2: about the fact that we have such strong parallels in

568
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Speaker 2: our business journeys. Having been through a period where I

569
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: had chronic fatigue as well, not for three and a

570
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Speaker 2: half years, but actually probably in total for three and

571
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Speaker 2: a half years, with different flares of having taken like

572
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Speaker 2: two terms of school and then a couple of years later,

573
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: not being out of work for a couple of months,

574
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Speaker 2: and like mine was sort of more in acute, small abouts,

575
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: but persistent over a decade. And I think one of

576
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Speaker 2: the things is that you don't necessarily need those extreme

577
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Speaker 2: measures for your whole life. It's not a forever diagnosis,

578
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Speaker 2: you know, you just need to create an environment for

579
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Speaker 2: your body in that chapter, which is the same as

580
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: your pathway to ya. It's like you need certain career

581
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Speaker 2: circumstances in your life at different chapters, depending on what

582
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: you need at that time. And chronic fatigue specifically is

583
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: such a misunderstood like you can't even really diagnose it

584
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: in western medicine. And so I was the same as you.

585
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Speaker 2: I had to try all sorts of different things. I

586
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: never would have tried because that's the thing that gave

587
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: me results. But I think it's so important that you

588
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: pointed out you weren't necessarily healing yourself. And one of

589
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Speaker 2: the things that I think has probably made us or

590
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: added to our experience as business people that being so

591
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: sick taught us is patience, Like nothing happens overnight, and

592
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: if you have ever learned how some things will slow

593
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Speaker 2: you down and force you to slow down, like you know,

594
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Speaker 2: I normally have a whole section called NATA on self

595
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Speaker 2: doubt and compare and then burnout and getting off the

596
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: conveyor belt. But I mean you had taken off it

597
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: for three years, and so you had to separate your

598
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: identity from productivity. You had to learn how flipping frustrating

599
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: it is to have an intelligent mind, good resources, great practitioners,

600
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: and still know that it's going to take you five

601
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: to ten years to recover. But that's that's part of it, exactly.

602
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: That's every day is like it's baby steps. Nothing is

603
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: a quick fix. But each day you add and you

604
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 2: chip away and you feel better. So true, Well, I'm

605
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: sure we still have days where we push the balance

606
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: too far and probably have a you know, have to

607
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 2: be more careful than the average person. But it's a

608
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: process and that's okay.

609
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Speaker 1: And look, the big thing that I've learned as well

610
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Speaker 1: is matching input with output. So now I recover just

611
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: as hard as I work. You know, I work hours

612
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: that would scare the vast majority of people on this planet.

613
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: But I love it, right, I'm built for it, and

614
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: I have this self awareness to know this is my

615
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: passion because that's my passion and my purpose. Like it

616
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: doesn't put the same well, maybe it puts a lot

617
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: of strain on me, but I make sure that I

618
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: recover and I look after myself and my input back

619
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Speaker 1: into my body. Like I sleep for as long as

620
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: I need to sleep every day. I eat really healthy,

621
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Speaker 1: and I believe in balance as well. That's great. I

622
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: also know the repercussions of having balance as well. If

623
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: I have a big night and I still have them right,

624
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, with friends or whatever it might be. I

625
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: make sure I'm breathing right, I make sure I'm meditating.

626
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: I make sure that I'm taking some time away from

627
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: my work to do other passions like play tennis and

628
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: stay fited and exercise. And so a lot of people

629
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of fall into the trap of pushing themselves too much,

630
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: which produces a lot of output, but they don't work

631
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: just as hard as on themselves in terms of the

632
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: input what they're doing to feed themselves, in terms of

633
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: their their body, they're so their mind their spirit to

634
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: keep them strong.

635
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I often get people who are in

636
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: the sort of your version of the three and a

637
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: half years, like in the throes of that really tough

638
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: time where they still can't get up and they still

639
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: can't independently do the things they want to do, and

640
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: a losing hope. And it's actually I think your story

641
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: is such a reassuring example that you can get through it.

642
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: You can go from being a person who can't get

643
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: out of bed to living a very, very full life.

644
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: You don't have to live a halfway life. You don't

645
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: have to be sick forever. You do have to take

646
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: care of yourself. But I'm almost glad that that crash

647
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: came early in my life so I could learn the

648
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: lessons that I had to learn that now allow me

649
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: to have a fuller life than I probably would have

650
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: been able to do if I'd crashed it thirty or

651
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: forty or when I have kids, Like inevitably, we all

652
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: have to learn where our limits are, and we just

653
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: had to learn them really early. But I think that's

654
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: equipped does really well to be able to navigate busy,

655
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: full lives now.

656
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: It's such a great perspective. I love that and it's

657
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: so true. In twenty eleven, I was twenty and I

658
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: could only work six hours, so I got sick. At

659
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: the back half of twenty eleven, I could only work

660
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: six hours a week. That's all I could do, and

661
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the time I was reading self development

662
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: books and crying. Right, that was my life, and it

663
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: builds resilience. Tough times suck, They suck massively, But for

664
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: those going through tough times at the moment, like there

665
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: is a path for you, be kind to yourself, be patient. Yeah,

666
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: see if there's ways that you can work on yourself

667
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: to become an even better human being in other areas

668
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: of your life, so that when your body decides to

669
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: rejuvenate and get your back on the right path, and

670
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: you're just going to be an absolute winner, you know,

671
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: like everyone's a winner, but a winner in the sense

672
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: like you've used your downtime in a way that has

673
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: been kind to yourself in multiple, multiple ways.

674
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and there is a whole section on downtime and

675
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: your identity outside of your work. But before we move

676
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: on to that one, do tell us about your light

677
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: at the end of the tunnel tripeka going from you know,

678
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: you and a mate at a kitchen table in February

679
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen to now being served in fifty countries with

680
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: like five thousand five star reviews, which those starts have

681
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: probably changed enormously by now.

682
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're up to over seventeen thousand five star reviews,

683
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: So it's whoah been fun?

684
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Well, yeah, talk us through everything from

685
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen to now, because I also think we skate

686
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: over I mean, there are so many highlights, but we

687
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: skate over that bit where people go from I have

688
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: never had a business, I know nothing about business and

689
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: I've never worked in this industry to like, bang, I've

690
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: got a business. The next day, Like what were those

691
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: first initial steps? I think it was one hundred and

692
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: twenty thousand initial self funded investment and then it has

693
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: grown to what it is today.

694
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: So took us through that.

695
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: So to really know what was involved, you got to

696
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: go back to two thousand and eight, Like I remember

697
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: finishing high school and I was seventeen. I was too

698
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: young to go party with my friends, and no one

699
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: wanted to invite me out anyway, because I was the geek,

700
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: and I was on the internet, like I was on

701
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: internet forums, Like I knew of bitcoin when bitcoin was

702
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: less than a dollar and I bought piercoin instead, and

703
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: I bought a hundred of them. You know, that's how

704
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: like long I've been. No, that's how long I've been

705
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: around in the Internet's base for so I was doing

706
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: like random stuff like trying to be an affiliate marketer

707
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: after high school, trying to sell stuff on eBay, learning, learning, learning,

708
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: making no money, like. I then learned some skills and

709
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: did it for other businesses in twenty eleven, twenty twenty

710
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: ten and the start of twenty eleven, just before I

711
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: got sick and made a little bit of money on that.

712
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: It like nothing for a full time income. But I

713
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: was like spending so much time, like hours and hours

714
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and hours instead of on like the PlayStation doing something

715
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: because I love business. And that's where it goes back to,

716
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: like that was my passion. I'm a weirdo. I'd love

717
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: to spend my free time learning about what was blogging

718
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: back then in affiliate marketing instead of like playing a PlayStation, right,

719
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: And so I put thousands of hours into this. And

720
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: then in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and around twenty fourteen,

721
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: and I started to like get a little bit better

722
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: before I made the big impact in my life of

723
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: changing my diet. So I was able to do a

724
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: little bit more work, and I was doing some on

725
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: my marketing for the tennis industry I was in. So

726
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: I had a website that had over two hundred video

727
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: drills on it for coaches around the world, and they'd

728
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: pay me a membership to do it. And I spent

729
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: an ungodly amount of hours on that project and the

730
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: equivalent of five bucks an hour probably if you worked

731
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: out how much I made in the time. And it

732
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: taught me so much in terms of what I do today.

733
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: So when I decided in twenty fourteen with my business

734
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: partner Blake, who's amazing, and like everything that looks beautiful

735
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: at Trepeka is because of Blake, Like he's an absolute

736
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: branding mastermind, is incredible. I do all the boring stuff

737
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. He was my housemate and we were

738
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: like he had his own health issues as well, and

739
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: we'd go down to the health food store and we'd realize,

740
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: this is in twenty fourteen when we just made this

741
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: breakthrough in like realizing like nutrition is key. We'd go

742
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: down to the health food store and we'd realize the

743
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: only people going into a health food store are old

744
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: people and hippies. And it's like this needs to be

745
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: made like ches, this needs to be like relatable to

746
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: young people, Like why is that a young person on

747
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: social media can talk about so comfortably getting hammered on

748
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: a sad today night, which there's a time and place

749
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: for like I'm a young guy, but they can't feel

750
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: comfortable about talking about that. They're into health and wellness

751
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: and these are the brands that represent them. And like

752
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, people are listening and being like,

753
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: yes they can, Like in twenty fourteen, that just wasn't

754
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: the case. Like Trepeka was the pioneers of that in

755
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: Australia when we launched in twenty sixteen. We made health

756
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: foods cool and there was no one else doing it

757
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: now like you go. We went through a trade show

758
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: recently in our space in the in the health food space,

759
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: and it's like all these other companies like doing what

760
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: we pioneered, which is awesome because like our biggest competitors

761
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: are Coca Cola, you know, and soft drinks. It's not

762
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: the guy selling protein and superfoods. It's like that's our teammates.

763
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: It's how I look at it, Like we're in the

764
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: business and making people healthy. Oh that's amazing, And so

765
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: Blake and I were like, Okay, let's make this cool.

766
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: And so we're like, well, I've been hustling online for

767
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: a long time, Like I know online marketing and I

768
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: know so and Blake knows branding, and we actually both

769
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: know each other's strengths as well. We don't know product development.

770
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: So we spent two years from twenty fourteen, well from

771
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: August twenty fourteen to February twenty sixteen we launched. We

772
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: spent two years finding the best suppliers in the world,

773
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: the best product quality, the best product formulators, and then

774
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: building our website. Like it's not an overnight process. And

775
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: that was coming from two guys that actually knew business

776
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: and new online marking, so it's not an overnight thing.

777
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: And then yeah, we eventually launched in twenty sixteen. We

778
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: put sixty thousand dollars in each, so one hundred and

779
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: twenty K, and I had three hundred dollars in my

780
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: bank account for the next couple of years as we

781
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: grew Trepeka killing air exactly. Like people don't see that,

782
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: like they see the big numbers, they don't see the

783
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: fact that from twenty fourteen, when I started first putting

784
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: money into the into because I could work more. So

785
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: when I say we put sixty k in and it

786
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: wasn't we put sixty k in in twenty fourteen, I

787
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: got healthy. I then put money in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

788
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: and then twenty fifteen twenty sixteen financial year, I made

789
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: ninety odd thousand dollars. It got taxed, and I put

790
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: literally everything that I had left over in the business.

791
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: That's how I was able to put sixty k in

792
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: like it wasn't I had sixty K available to me

793
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. I did everything. Luckily, Blake had some savings,

794
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: So I was always a little bit annoyed because like,

795
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm literally like living off two hundred bucks and I

796
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: know you got some savings. He's a bit older than

797
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: me and was more successful than me at that time.

798
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is once twenty sixteen hit, like

799
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 1: around that period, he still had to put more money

800
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: and he got into the same position as me where

801
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: we literally we had no money, and then we had

802
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: no money for twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen because all

803
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: the profit we made we put back into the business

804
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: to grow. And so you're talking like I was sick

805
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: before that, and then before that I was at university.

806
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: So it wasn't until twenty eighteen that I actually had

807
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: money in my bank account, and it wasn't even anything special,

808
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: but it was the first time at the age of

809
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: twenty seven that I had money in my bank account.

810
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Twenty seven I'd risked everything. So the moral of the

811
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: story is like there's no easy path. That was me

812
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: working and Blake working sixteen hour days, having two businesses

813
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: so that we could support ourselves while Trepeka made no

814
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: money up until the age of twenty seven, flat broke,

815
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: absolutely flat broke. So and I mean I was driving

816
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: around like I don't like materialism. I think materialism is

817
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: a massive trap. But one thing I went and bought,

818
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: which I was a goal of mine because it was

819
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: special to my heart, was I bought a car that

820
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I really wanted, and I bought that because in twenty

821
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: eleven I rode around on a pushbike with thirty bucks

822
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: in my wallet. Like I said, in twenty sixteen, I

823
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: rode around in a Holden Commodore nineteen ninety nine. While

824
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: starting Trepeka, I then upgraded to a Ford Falcon, a green,

825
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: horrible looking Ford Falcon in my dream car. In twenty seventeen,

826
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: I upgraded. I paid three thousand or four thousand dollars

827
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: for a Ford Falcon, which was ugly as anything. It

828
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: was not giving me any hope of getting a girlfriend.

829
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: And it burnt down in the middle of Paramatta four

830
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: weeks after I launched Trepeka. And I looked at Blake

831
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: on that day and I said, it's okay, it's okay.

832
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: Trapeka is going to be huge, And we convinced ourselves

833
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: off nothing but an absolute lie to ourselves that it's okay.

834
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: My car just burnt down in the middle of Paramatter.

835
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: And it burnt down because the previous owners decided to

836
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: do some DIY electrics under the seat, which I didn't

837
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: know about. Lucky you were okay, Yeah, Well, that's a

838
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: funny story. As well, because my best mate was with

839
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: me at the time and he had coconut water with

840
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, put the coconut water on the

841
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: on the sparks and it's like he valued the coconut

842
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: water more than my car and he's like, no, it

843
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: won't work. And by the time we argued over it,

844
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: my heart my seat was on fire. And then I'm like, crap,

845
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: all my tennis is in the back, so I had

846
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: to take all my tennis are out and then core

847
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: triple O for the first time in my life. And

848
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: so I've always had this running story with my best

849
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: mate that he values He pretty much valued his two

850
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: dollars coconut water over my precious Ford Falcon car.

851
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, but as a health nut, you should really

852
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: appreciate that that was his health and well being above

853
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: all else, which we fully support. We did, don't we do.

854
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: There you go, Aaron, and I went to your match

855
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: of milk Bar in Sint Kilda and loved it. I

856
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: had to take away match up. That was just before

857
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: COVID hit last year, so oh my god. I was

858
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: that last bit of freedom I felt was hanging out

859
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: at your milk bar getting a takeaway Matcher, which was delicious.

860
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. I also just love that you

861
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: have been a pioneer in this space beautifully branded completely

862
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: change the way we perceive health food and supplements and

863
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: naturally boosting our health and wellbeing. But I love that

864
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: you are really open about the fact that and I

865
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: try to be as well that like, actually, it's don't

866
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: make money. Like at the start, people think they look

867
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: at you because the business growth it looks like it's

868
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: expanding all the time, but that takes all of your

869
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: cash and they wouldn't understand when we go out and

870
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, I've got to you know, I'm

871
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: not going to have that extra whatever it is. Like

872
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: I'd be, you know, checking if my avocado was seven

873
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: dollars on the side and be like, oh no, I

874
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: can buy my own ather card. And they just wouldn't

875
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: get it because until you've done it and managed your

876
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: own cash flow, it's like there is not a dollar spare, Like,

877
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: not two dollars to rub together, not even fifty cent

878
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: pieces to rub together, because everything goes into the growth.

879
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: But that comes again back to that idea of like

880
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: you have to be patient through the bits where it

881
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: doesn't feel as good as it does now to get

882
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: to the bit where it does now. And that's again

883
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: the bit people forget. I think they just do see

884
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: from the outside. Of course, it can look like an

885
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: overdight success, because if something isn't in your consciousness and

886
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: then suddenly it is and it's doing really well and

887
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: it's big and beautiful, it's natural to assume that. But

888
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: I think that's why I love these conversations, because you

889
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: do get to see behind the scenes. You were like flat, broke,

890
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: car burnt, like still couldn't you know, afford your groceries,

891
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: still had no idea what was going on, and like

892
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: it's been a journey to get here. You know, who

893
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: wants to I mean living it up?

894
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: Who wants to be an entrepreneur? And then a true

895
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: entrepreneur's crazy because we just brought out like this is

896
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: our most proud product. I'm holding up our vitamins that

897
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: we just brought out, and it's like, as soon as

898
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: we got money, we're like, well, let's bring out vitamins

899
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: because we don't care about patch flow.

900
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: You know, let's pie more stuff exactly.

901
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: Not only that, let's bring out like the highest quality

902
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: of vitamins we can possibly think of and which ain't cheap.

903
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Let's do that as.

904
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: Well, say what a bargain.

905
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're really cheap.

906
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean only only was multiple, multiple hundreds of

907
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to bring out that project. Yeah, but

908
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: like that's the fun, you know, Like we have a

909
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: mission statement here and it's because like of the health

910
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: issues we Bake and I went through, and it's like

911
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: we are on a mission to help millions of people

912
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: in their health. And that's always our norse style, our

913
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: guiding star. It's not I want to make a kazillion dollars.

914
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: It's like you help enough people and you'd be a

915
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: blessing to enough people, and that will naturally come and

916
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: then you'll probably be crazy and you'll make money and

917
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: then invest it in a whole bunch of new products

918
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: as well. Like the cycle will just continue. But if

919
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: we're true to our mission, like we saw a gap

920
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: in the in the vitamin market and we're like, you

921
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: know what, like this these vitamins are going to really

922
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: be able to impact people. We know we can bring

923
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: something out here that will truly be special for our

924
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: customer base and our future customer base. It's going to

925
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: cost us a lot of money, it's going to take

926
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: cash flow away from the business, but hey, let's do

927
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: it because it's part of our mission. So it's part

928
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: of the fun of being an entrepreneur.

929
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that comes back to something you said at

930
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: the beginning as well, even just back to subject choices

931
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: in year twelve. I think so many of us like

932
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: reverse engineer what we think is going to get marked

933
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: up or what's going to be fancy or look successful

934
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: or whatever. But if you just choose the things you're

935
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: good at and choose the things that you love, oh

936
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: my god, sorry, that's pull in the background. If you

937
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: choose things that you love and that you're good at,

938
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: you'll probably do better than by choosing and forcing yourself

939
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: into something that isn't your strength and isn't your passion,

940
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: but just because you think you should. When you go

941
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: with what you're good at, and when you go with

942
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: what suits you and what suits your skills and your

943
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: weaknesses and all those kinds of things, things turn out

944
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: better anyway.

945
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: So true, it's much easier to avoid things like burnout

946
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: when you're doing something that you genuinely enjoy. Have you

947
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: ever heard of someone like getting burnout from eating too

948
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: many ice creams? You know, it's such a stupid example,

949
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: but it's like, or have you have you have you

950
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: ever heard of someone getting burnout from, like if they're

951
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: into sport, watching too many sports matches. It's like, no

952
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: one ever struggles being like sitting on the couch, and like,

953
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of someone getting burnout or watching Netflix?

954
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: I probably have.

955
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: If anyone's done it, it's probably me, like a real

956
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: hard like real intent, all.

957
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Right, you just forget to drink and go go.

958
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, I really like I just a type achieve

959
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: it everything.

960
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm going to be the best ever Netflix.

961
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Watcher ever plus.

962
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: So good. I'm going to watch this series before anyone else. Yeah,

963
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: but like I suppose, Look, it's very hard to overdo

964
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: it when you're passionate, as long here's the caveat, here's

965
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: a caveat, as long as you're still focusing on your input.

966
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: So what are you doing? Are you meditating? Are you

967
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: sleeping enough? You're drinking a lot of like enough water,

968
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: You're having enough healthy salts. Are you taking time away

969
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: from your passion? Are you eating healthy every single day,

970
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: are you allowing ten percent wiggle room? And then perhaps

971
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: when you do have a bit of balance and have

972
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: a bit of wiggle room with not eating the best

973
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: foods for you, are you then allocating time post that

974
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: in order to recover, Like a great time to have

975
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: balance is Saturday night or Friday night. Like, I don't

976
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: go wild on a Tuesday night because I have responsibilities

977
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: the next day.

978
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: Right, you're missing out mate, tuesdays exactly, Like you can

979
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: recover on like a Saturday morning, a Sunday morning, Right,

980
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: So you can be strategic around your balance.

981
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: You can be strategic around your inputs totally. And I

982
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: hope people understand what I mean by input.

983
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that leads really nicely to the last section

984
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: your playta, which is about the input the ways that

985
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: you put back into your energy, into your nourishment, into

986
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: your life. But it's strictly limited to the things that

987
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: aren't productive or that aren't teaching you something. Because my

988
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: downtime used to be totally consumed in self development because

989
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: of the role that it's played in getting me healthy

990
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: again and because of the way that it's positively changed

991
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: my life. But I characterize that as downtime when actually

992
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: it's still on time. And then I didn't make any

993
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: time for actual downtime where I was just doing things

994
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: for pure joy. And I think even if you do

995
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: love what you do, and even if it doesn't burn

996
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: you out, you don't want to get to the end

997
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: of your life and think I just worked and then

998
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: I died, Like there was no joy, There was no leisure,

999
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: there was no play or adventure. So what are the

1000
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: things that you do that might seem like a waste

1001
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: of time but that just bring you joy.

1002
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so so important to have that

1003
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: in your life. So important to have distractions in your

1004
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: life as well, you actually perform better and do more work.

1005
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: And you can have micro distractions as well during the day.

1006
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: So like one thing I do every single day is

1007
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I go for a walk, right, even occasionally go for

1008
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: two walks, like that downtime just being in.

1009
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I know, radically calm down.

1010
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm a wild man. I'm a wild man. And just

1011
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: having that like present moment is so important. Right. I

1012
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: play a lot of tennis last night, Like I had

1013
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: a huge day and then I went and played tennis.

1014
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: And because I actually had that downtime, I was able

1015
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: to then go and work well into the night. And

1016
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I was able to do that because of the break

1017
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: that I was able to have. I love nature. I

1018
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in nature on the weekends.

1019
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: I really like going for hikes and walks. But you know,

1020
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be honest as well, like a

1021
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: lot of my downtime I am I'm borderline crazy, like

1022
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: and I have the self awareness to know that, Like

1023
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: a lot of my downtime is work, is work related stuff,

1024
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: but like I don't advise it. I simply don't advise it.

1025
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: Like like what you're saying, Like, it's only if you

1026
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: have an incredible amount of self awareness to know that, Okay,

1027
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: this thing that is actually downtime for me but is

1028
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: actually work still is truly downtime. So for instance, I'll

1029
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: give you some examples, like I love I love listening

1030
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: to podcasts where I finish a podcast and I'm like,

1031
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: I just had a perspective change or I learned something

1032
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: new about whether it's business, whether it's about leadership, whether

1033
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: it's about personal development, whether it's like I was listening

1034
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: to podcast Jordan Peterson had last night with a lady

1035
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: that had escaped North Korea, and it just like and

1036
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: here I am. My day is so hard. I've got

1037
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: so much weight and pressure on me. And then I

1038
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: hear someone talk about what they went through, and perspective

1039
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: shift straight away, like I've got nothing but gratitude to

1040
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: be thankful for. So like that stuff nourishes my soul.

1041
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a big fan of social media, but

1042
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I spend enough time on it where I can scroll,

1043
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: but I can also learn at the same time. You know,

1044
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: I follow people who know how to do social media,

1045
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: and as I scroll through my timeline, I see my

1046
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: mate who's doing god knows what and posting pictures of it.

1047
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: And then I've got the next person who's incredibly intelligent,

1048
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: smart and showing me how I could do social media better. Right,

1049
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: And so suddenly I've got some efficiencies there as well.

1050
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: And I can't really sugarcoat things too much in terms

1051
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: of my life, like I tell it how it is,

1052
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: like I need to be able to do all of

1053
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: this stuff in order to do what I do. But

1054
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm so adamant that ninety nine point eight percent of

1055
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: people out there would hate to do what I do

1056
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: and shouldn't And that's such an important lesson in life,

1057
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: Like comparisons are so evil, Like never compare yourself to

1058
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: someone else. Like you'll see oh Caleb the CEO, Oh Caleb,

1059
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: He's this growing, massive business. And it's like I tell

1060
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: it to my friends that ask these questions all the time.

1061
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: It's like, you would absolutely hate to live my life.

1062
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: You would absolutely hate to live my life. But guess what,

1063
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. And you know what, if I

1064
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: was a world class opera singer, I would absolutely hate that.

1065
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: But that world class opera singer who loves the pressure,

1066
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: loves the discipline and the refinement of skill, and loves

1067
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: spending thousands and thousands and thousands of hours in order

1068
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: to be the best in the world, she or he

1069
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: absolutely loves it. And they have the self awareness to

1070
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: know that they absolutely love it. So for me, I

1071
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: know that I absolutely love having downtime that is work time,

1072
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And I absolutely, I absolutely think it

1073
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: is the worst thing that anyone could do unless they

1074
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: have except me, unless they have complete self awareness over

1075
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: knowing themselves. And I have the self awareness as well

1076
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: to know that I'm also not Superman and I need

1077
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: to still have downtime, Like I go and like, as

1078
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: I said, love nature, love tennis. I also love like

1079
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: I watch the Paramatta Eels every weekend, which is a

1080
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: horrible thing to do because they're one of the shittiest

1081
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: teams on the planet and haven't won a premiership since

1082
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: I have been.

1083
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: Born underdog though underdog, right, it.

1084
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: Just creates more pain in my life. But it's an outlet, right,

1085
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: and that's all part of the fun. So like, I

1086
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: know during my day and I'm very grateful for it.

1087
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: As like a boss, I choose my own times and

1088
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: I have my own self responsibility, so I can say, Okay,

1089
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: I've done this work. I can now go for a walk.

1090
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: I can I've done this work. I can now listen

1091
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: to a podcast. So I've done this work, and I

1092
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: can now do this or that in order to get

1093
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: my mind my body back to where it needs to

1094
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: be in order to carry more weight.

1095
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: I just I feel like you've just summarized the entire

1096
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: concept of this podcast, asked in that last paragraph, Like,

1097
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: it is so true that exactly what you love, the

1098
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 2: perfect circumstances and life set up for you, is literally

1099
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 2: going to be what people around you despise or would

1100
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: make them so unhappy. That is the nature of humanity.

1101
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: That what you find. And this is why I get

1102
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: so fascinated talking to people because things that literally make

1103
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: me want to throw up in my mouth a bit

1104
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: are things that other people are like, I am so obsessed.

1105
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: With that, and that is the fascinating thing.

1106
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: That's the message that I don't think we get as

1107
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: often that what is weird and wacky about you that

1108
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: you love about life, it's not meant to look like

1109
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: what anyone else loves or hates about life. And your job,

1110
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: your one job, is just to weighe through all the

1111
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: noise of comparison and what everyone else is doing and

1112
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: choosing to do in their life. Your best data point

1113
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: of feedback is whether you feel good or bad after

1114
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: you do something. And for some reason, don't we spend

1115
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: a whole portion of our life, like too much of

1116
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: our lives ignoring that and not like we have all

1117
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: the data and then we go, oh, you know what,

1118
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm just going to ignore that and I'm just going

1119
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: to do what he's doing over there because that looks good.

1120
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: And then you're like, why am I unhappy because you

1121
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: didn't just go with your weird and wacky thing.

1122
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: That you love.

1123
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: That is so good. I had a conversation recently with

1124
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: a very close friend of mine and he's not where

1125
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: he necessarily wants to be in life at the moment,

1126
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: although he doesn't know where he wants to be. So

1127
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: I said, you know what you should be doing. You

1128
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: should be measuring your day in terms of happiness and

1129
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: putting it both in a short term and long term perspective.

1130
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: I broke down his day and he actually has a

1131
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: pretty amazing day. He texted me earlier as well, and

1132
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: it's his day off and it's like, firstly, it's a

1133
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: Wednesday and he's got a day off, which is ridiculous,

1134
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: so amazing.

1135
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 3: Winning celebrate that, mate.

1136
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, okay, tell me what you're doing

1137
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: at nine am on most days? Are you happy? Then? Okay,

1138
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing at twelve on most days.

1139
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Then tell me what you're doing at five pm or

1140
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: after you finish work. Are you happy then? And then

1141
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing at nine pm and are

1142
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: you happy then? And then measure that in terms of

1143
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: is this a short term happiness? That is going to

1144
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: be a law of diminishing returns? Where okay, you can

1145
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: get happiness from it, but eventually you'll get to an

1146
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: age where you won't have your shit together and you

1147
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: won't be happy because of the decisions you've made ten

1148
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: years ago. Or will this actually be something that you

1149
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: can add to your day that you're not doing a

1150
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: lot of And even if it is law of diminishing returns,

1151
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: it's okay. But then because you're not doing a lot

1152
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: of it, but it's bringing you that short term happiness,

1153
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: But then are you also fitting into your day something

1154
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: that's actually going to bring you long term happiness. So

1155
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, like nine am, he's up

1156
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: and he's walking his dogs, right, or it could be

1157
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: eight am or seven am, and it's like, how amazing

1158
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: is that? You know, you're out in nature, you're spending

1159
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: time with man's best friend, and you in the present

1160
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: moment perfect that's not a law of diminishing returns. Then

1161
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock he goes off to study and he's studying

1162
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: something that isn't easy for him in terms of enjoyment

1163
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: at the moment, but it's a long term fulfilling practice

1164
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: and he's doing something that short term isn't happiness, but

1165
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: long term is happiness. So he's ticking off that box.

1166
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: He does that, and then he gets home at five,

1167
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: He then, you know, might watch Netflix or cook something

1168
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: really nice, or play on the PlayStation or whatever it

1169
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: might be. And Okay, that's a short term law of

1170
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: diminishing returns. But he cycles that and he's not doing

1171
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: the same thing each day, so he's getting something new

1172
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: and it's okay because it's short term pleasure and you've

1173
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,959
Speaker 1: done some long term pleasure before that, so that's great.

1174
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: So like you might spend a couple hours like pissing

1175
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: around some time, and that's really important and it's a distraction,

1176
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: that's a worthy distraction. And then I'm like, okay, well

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: what do you do between seven pm and nine pm?

1178
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: Can you then spend that time after that time of happiness,

1179
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: of short term happiness then going back to long term fulfillment,

1180
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: long term happiness in your day where you're doing something

1181
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: that isn't structured study. It's actually study that you want

1182
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: to do, which is even more enjoyable short term, but

1183
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: it's also growing you as a person, so that if

1184
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: you do enough of it in twelve months time, you've

1185
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: actually put yourself in a position where you've got new

1186
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: skills and new personal characteristics and a new outlook on life.

1187
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing advice. And I also forgot to say,

1188
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: I love what you said before about micro distractions. I've

1189
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: never heard it put like that, but I think it's

1190
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: not just plata.

1191
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: It is about the.

1192
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 2: Distraction value, like pulling your brain out of what you do,

1193
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: even if it's towards something else that you do, but

1194
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: just out of the thing you've been doing all day,

1195
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: to distract your brain so that it comes back fresh.

1196
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: Like I love that. It's such so much wisdom in

1197
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: this episode. Thank you so much for sharing. I've got

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: two more questions. One is three parts, so I actually

1199
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: have a formal question the three interesting things about you

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: that don't normally come up in conversation. Three A, I

1201
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: feel like I want three personal ones. But three A,

1202
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: which I've forgot to ask earlier, is what does Tropeka mean?

1203
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: And how did you choose that name?

1204
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: All right, I will go Tripeka first, So great question. Firstly,

1205
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: you're pronouncing it right, and like it's standard to say

1206
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: it wrong, everyone says it wrong. To start with, it.

1207
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: Took me a long term. I was like tropiacre trophy acre.

1208
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: I used to say in my brain.

1209
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a combination of tropical and peak performance

1210
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: with an A on the end, so trop for tropical

1211
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: and peak performance. So yeah, we wanted to highlight the

1212
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: vibes of you know, we're from Sydney, Australia, our packaging

1213
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: is vibrant, we're at the I love the world famous

1214
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: Bondai Beach here in Sydney. We wanted those vibes coming

1215
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: through in the tropical vibes of of what we do

1216
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: and the imagery we present. And then obviously everything's about

1217
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: peak performance. So a lot of people are like, no,

1218
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: the the most important currency of life isn't money, it's time,

1219
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: which is pretty close to one hundred percent. But if

1220
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: you've got plenty of time and no energy, I would

1221
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: prefer to live to eighty with energy then live to

1222
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: ninety with no energy, right, So I'd actually say energy

1223
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: trumps that. So our whole mission in life is and

1224
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: that's why I'm into biohacking. I've got a personal instagram

1225
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: that talks a lot about these biohacks and whatnot, which

1226
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: is just lifestyle choices and nutritional choices to get the

1227
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: most out of life and give you the most energy.

1228
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: That peak performance is so important because that's how you

1229
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: really enjoy life. You can't follow your passion and purpose.

1230
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't follow any passions or purpose when I

1231
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: was chronically sick, right, all I could do was just

1232
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: kind of sit around and read so and cry. So

1233
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: energy is so so important. I'm a big believer in it.

1234
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: And so that's why we did that. And then we're

1235
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: like in twenty sixteen, we're like, well, dudes aren't into

1236
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: health foods, which sucked, so like, well, at least women

1237
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: actually do, yeahs ruining. At least women like are intelligent

1238
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: around this stuff, you know, Like I'm like guys, So

1239
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, we'll just sell it to women because

1240
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: they're the ones that actually care about looking after their

1241
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: health and health foods rather than just taking some bro

1242
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: science you know, protein powderful of all sorts of crap

1243
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: and some pre workout that's going to make you feel

1244
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: like you've just taken off to the moon and then

1245
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: crashed all in one. And so so that's why we

1246
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: added an alien because it was a little bit feminine

1247
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: as well. Tropica Oh is that Highty A was there.

1248
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's cute.

1249
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now guys have caught up and we've just

1250
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: started selling to two guys at least in the fact

1251
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: that we've got a dedicated space on our website for it.

1252
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It might need to be trying to.

1253
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 3: Drop the.

1254
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: Nice yeah or.

1255
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: Tropicaspekus yeah nice.

1256
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: All right, three quirky things about you, but personal life

1257
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: you like you only your girlfriend would know, like weird

1258
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 2: sleeping habits or party tricks or like weird middle names,

1259
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: like stuff that just doesn't normally come up in interviews.

1260
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I clearly don't meditate for long enough before bed

1261
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: because I have full on, like conversations, arguments, adventures during

1262
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: sleep that my girlfriend puts up.

1263
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: With great good ones.

1264
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: So there's that party tricks. I can spit like a snake.

1265
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: I taught myself to do that at the age of twelve.

1266
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: Quite an achievement. My parents are really proud.

1267
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: You should have some sort of certificate for that or something.

1268
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: No, exactly, a diploma, a diploma and snake spirit.

1269
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: So wait, how do you what is it?

1270
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: So I'm going to look like an idiot because I've

1271
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: talked a lot, so I don't have a lot of

1272
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: sliver in my mouth. I'm just drinking decend.

1273
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: But you don't have to show me, okay, Yeah, see

1274
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 2: if you can do it.

1275
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: So so you put your you push your tongue out

1276
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: your you bend it back and by bending it back

1277
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: and then pushing the bottom of your tongue almost it

1278
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: activates the saliva glands underneath your tongue and it comes

1279
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: out spitting like a snake. So yeah, that's.

1280
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're just making up ship again.

1281
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 3: If you can't show.

1282
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: Me, okay, you want me to do it? Oh god,

1283
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: I look, if you can, you're going to You're going

1284
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: to screenshot this and just put it as your Instagram post,

1285
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: aren't you.

1286
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm videoing right now this come out.

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Speaker 1: I see if I can do it, I don't think

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01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: I'll be able to do it because I don't have

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01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: enough sliva.

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01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, do you see it?

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: A little bit came out, not a lot. It's on

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: my pants.

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01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: That was amazing. Yeah, I love you were really dedicated.

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01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: I like it. It works, trust me.

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01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the classiest thing that you would

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: want to whip out as a party trick, but I

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: like it. It's you know, it's you Nique. Of all things.

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01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: I have a very high threshold for embarrassment, so I

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: definitely whip it out at parties. I was doing it

1300
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: literally at a party two weeks ago, and I was

1301
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: really annoyed on a Tuesday right exactly. My friends willed

1302
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: to accept me for I am. Yeah.

1303
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 2: I feel like my life has been so much better

1304
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: since I just came out of the weirdo closet, as like,

1305
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: not trying to pretend I was cool, just fully embracing

1306
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: the nerdy, weirdo, crazy person that I am.

1307
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: It's been really liberating and wonderful.

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01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: Imagine us at a party then, oh my.

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: God, can you even We'd just be drinking spirillinau in

1310
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: the corner. Just wouldn't be a good time for anyone else, and.

1311
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: You'd be spitting it all over.

1312
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: But it just wouldn't be very.

1313
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: Nice a party, just green spirillina venom coming out.

1314
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 3: Man on a Tuesday night. What a great time?

1315
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: Very last question. Favorite quote, Well, I've.

1316
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: Got a bunch up on my wardrobe at home. Probably

1317
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: the most simple is pro noya. So it's the opposite

1318
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: of paranoia. So paranoia is the feeling of the world

1319
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: is out to get you. Pro Noya is the feeling

1320
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: that the world, God, the universe, whatever you want to

1321
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: call it, is out to bless you and there's nothing

1322
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: I can do to stop it. So I'm a big

1323
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: believer in pro noya. I'm a big believer in just

1324
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: like quotes like things that I actually took these quotes from,

1325
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: like Tony Robbin's original, the original book I read Unlimited Power.

1326
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: It's like things don't have meaning. We assign meaning to everything,

1327
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: like reality doesn't exist, like we create reality. The other

1328
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: one I love. I think it was Muhammad Ali that

1329
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 1: first said this. It's like people wear themselves out before

1330
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 1: they even get to the mountain with the little pebble

1331
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: that's in their shoe. So I just have a phrase

1332
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: that I say to myself every day, like don't let

1333
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: the little pebble in my shoe wear me out. Like

1334
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: a job of a CEO is to put out fires.

1335
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: So like something's going wrong in the business every day,

1336
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: at least in a micro or macro level, and my

1337
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: job is to deal with that. And so you've constantly

1338
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: got pebbles in your shoes, and so that SAPs energy

1339
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: away from you. So your ability to not let the

1340
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: little pebble wear you out before you even get to

1341
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: the mountain. The big hurdles in life or in business.

1342
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: Is a great way to ensure you don't get burnout.

1343
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: What a beautiful way to end. Thank you so much

1344
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: for sharing your wonderful story. It is so inspiring and

1345
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: so amazing everything you've done with Trapeka and continue to do.

1346
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about the new range. Congratulations and I'll

1347
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: make sure to include links to everything in the show notes.

1348
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you so much, Sarah. I had so much fun.

1349
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: We didn't end up getting as much time to talk

1350
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: about the actual products as I thought we would, but

1351
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: I'll quickly just add that I use them every day

1352
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: and have since way before I met Caleb. You've probably

1353
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: actually heard me talk about them on the podcast before.

1354
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 2: They are just as beautiful and a high quality as

1355
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: he describes. I've popped a link in the show notes

1356
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: for anyone who's interested to try them. You don't get

1357
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: fourteen thousand and five star reviews for nothing more importantly

1358
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: for our chat today, though, I think Caleb has such

1359
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: a good head on his shoulders, and I loved the

1360
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: reminder about just sticking with your own happiness or unhappiness

1361
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: as your main data points for making decisions in your life,

1362
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: as well as the need for micro distractions and time

1363
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: away from your work, and just so much more. If

1364
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 2: you enjoyed or took anything away yourselves, please do share

1365
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: tagging at Tripeka or Caleb at c A La Sha

1366
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: l L to thank him for sharing his time so generously.

1367
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: I hope you guys are all having a great week

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 2: and are seizing your yea