1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:16,064 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 1: is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:25,344 Speaker 2: On from Mamma Mia. 5 00:00:25,544 --> 00:00:28,584 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 6 00:00:28,864 --> 00:00:31,584 Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnek and on. 7 00:00:31,624 --> 00:00:36,504 Speaker 3: The show today, the hollywoodification of the US presidential candidates 8 00:00:36,544 --> 00:00:39,584 Speaker 3: and their last minute campaign strategies, as well as a 9 00:00:39,624 --> 00:00:44,104 Speaker 3: new scandal involving Kim Kardashian wearing another famous woman's necklace. 10 00:00:44,504 --> 00:00:48,864 Speaker 1: But first, but first, in some exciting tvingw I'm really excited. 11 00:00:49,184 --> 00:00:51,384 Speaker 1: I am too. When I saw this come in, I'm like, oh, 12 00:00:51,544 --> 00:00:53,544 Speaker 1: maybe I've moved on. And then I watched a trailer 13 00:00:53,584 --> 00:00:55,504 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm backing in a big way. 14 00:00:56,024 --> 00:00:59,824 Speaker 1: So in exciting news, the first teaser trailer for Squid 15 00:00:59,864 --> 00:01:09,224 Speaker 1: Game season two has come out this week. 16 00:01:11,304 --> 00:01:13,504 Speaker 2: They're here to take all the Emmys. 17 00:01:13,784 --> 00:01:15,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean hopefully if it's as good as 18 00:01:15,744 --> 00:01:18,184 Speaker 1: the first season. It's coming December twenty sixth, So if 19 00:01:18,264 --> 00:01:20,464 Speaker 1: you want to have a little Christmas year, chill time 20 00:01:20,544 --> 00:01:23,384 Speaker 1: with your family and watch some people be brutally murdered 21 00:01:23,384 --> 00:01:24,224 Speaker 1: for entertainment. 22 00:01:24,344 --> 00:01:26,864 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like we're already so anxious between 23 00:01:26,904 --> 00:01:28,624 Speaker 3: the dates of Christmas and years, so you may as 24 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:30,384 Speaker 3: well put a show in to fuel that. 25 00:01:30,824 --> 00:01:32,824 Speaker 1: So if you don' across the original Squid Game, it 26 00:01:32,864 --> 00:01:35,984 Speaker 1: came out in twenty twenty one, which feels like a 27 00:01:36,024 --> 00:01:39,744 Speaker 1: crazy long time ago, like I've lived many lives since then. Interestingly, 28 00:01:39,784 --> 00:01:42,144 Speaker 1: it was the very first TV show that we did 29 00:01:42,144 --> 00:01:44,024 Speaker 1: a deep dive on the spill where we just dedicated 30 00:01:44,064 --> 00:01:45,904 Speaker 1: a whole episode to it, and we were like, this 31 00:01:45,944 --> 00:01:47,824 Speaker 1: is so rogue, We'll get in so much trouble, and 32 00:01:47,824 --> 00:01:49,624 Speaker 1: now we do it all the time. It's so good 33 00:01:50,224 --> 00:01:53,504 Speaker 1: Squid Game. Interestingly, it was in development for twelve years, 34 00:01:53,584 --> 00:01:55,984 Speaker 1: and then once it landed on Netflix in twelve days, 35 00:01:55,984 --> 00:01:59,504 Speaker 1: it became the most popular Netflix series ever. It was 36 00:01:59,544 --> 00:02:02,504 Speaker 1: in the top ten for nine consecutive weeks. It made 37 00:02:02,784 --> 00:02:05,464 Speaker 1: history with a bunch of groundbreaking Emmy wins. If you're 38 00:02:05,464 --> 00:02:07,624 Speaker 1: not across it, I want to spoil too much, because 39 00:02:07,744 --> 00:02:11,024 Speaker 1: you should definitely go and watch it. I've never experience 40 00:02:11,104 --> 00:02:14,344 Speaker 1: something it was so tense. I couldn't even sit my wine, 41 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:16,264 Speaker 1: look at my phone anything while I was watching it 42 00:02:16,304 --> 00:02:18,144 Speaker 1: because I was so in it about a group of 43 00:02:18,144 --> 00:02:21,584 Speaker 1: people get brought into this squid game, and you know, 44 00:02:21,744 --> 00:02:24,704 Speaker 1: basically it's they get killed off. As you go along, 45 00:02:24,744 --> 00:02:26,384 Speaker 1: you have to sort of pass each level, more and 46 00:02:26,384 --> 00:02:28,504 Speaker 1: more people get killed off, and the reason they're there 47 00:02:28,584 --> 00:02:30,984 Speaker 1: is that they're for so many reasons, so desperate for 48 00:02:31,024 --> 00:02:33,104 Speaker 1: this money. Because the worst thing is when they got 49 00:02:33,144 --> 00:02:34,544 Speaker 1: the chance to leave and they all had to come 50 00:02:34,584 --> 00:02:37,624 Speaker 1: back in the game anyway. It just and the games 51 00:02:37,864 --> 00:02:40,664 Speaker 1: that they have to play are so inventive and creative 52 00:02:40,744 --> 00:02:43,304 Speaker 1: and so deadly and like horrific. Remember the Little Red 53 00:02:43,384 --> 00:02:44,904 Speaker 1: Light Green Light Girl, Miss Her. 54 00:02:44,984 --> 00:02:45,944 Speaker 2: That was the first game. 55 00:02:46,384 --> 00:02:48,744 Speaker 3: That was the first game, because that showed you exactly 56 00:02:48,784 --> 00:02:50,704 Speaker 3: what that show was going to do to everyone. 57 00:02:51,064 --> 00:02:53,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And when the first people started dying and 58 00:02:53,544 --> 00:02:55,904 Speaker 1: you saw their horror realizing that it wasn't a game 59 00:02:56,504 --> 00:03:00,904 Speaker 1: real life. Oh interestingly, for this Korean Netflix show, one person, 60 00:03:00,944 --> 00:03:02,184 Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much, just in case 61 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:03,424 Speaker 1: anyone hasn't watched it. 62 00:03:03,344 --> 00:03:05,344 Speaker 3: I feel like if you haven't watched it by now, all. 63 00:03:05,304 --> 00:03:08,944 Speaker 1: Right, So the person gets out and this is so 64 00:03:09,104 --> 00:03:11,864 Speaker 1: the story follows here and his story life. 65 00:03:11,704 --> 00:03:12,584 Speaker 2: He like wins the game. 66 00:03:12,664 --> 00:03:14,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna say that just in case, there's 67 00:03:14,464 --> 00:03:16,664 Speaker 1: one person out there who's like screaming at their phone 68 00:03:16,744 --> 00:03:19,264 Speaker 1: right now, like don't tell me. One person makes it 69 00:03:19,304 --> 00:03:23,904 Speaker 1: out alive and he is now on like a mission 70 00:03:23,944 --> 00:03:26,304 Speaker 1: to find the people in these games and bring them down. 71 00:03:26,704 --> 00:03:28,704 Speaker 1: So much incredible stuff happens because. 72 00:03:28,464 --> 00:03:31,104 Speaker 3: There's another storyline, right like what we see, what happens 73 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:31,944 Speaker 3: behind the scenes. 74 00:03:32,064 --> 00:03:34,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, you find out who's running the game and who 75 00:03:34,864 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 1: was really the mastermind. 76 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:37,784 Speaker 2: Who watches the games. 77 00:03:37,984 --> 00:03:40,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, there's so much. I'm so glad that're 78 00:03:40,304 --> 00:03:42,704 Speaker 1: doing a season too, because sometimes with these shows, you think, 79 00:03:42,984 --> 00:03:45,904 Speaker 1: oh no, no, that was just one storyline. It's compact, it's finished. 80 00:03:45,984 --> 00:03:48,744 Speaker 1: You can't recreate the magic a second time. But for 81 00:03:48,784 --> 00:03:51,264 Speaker 1: this show, it just it ended with so many questions. 82 00:03:51,704 --> 00:03:54,824 Speaker 1: So December twenty six with Game season two, so excited. 83 00:03:56,224 --> 00:04:00,424 Speaker 3: So two presidential candidates, the ones that we know most 84 00:04:00,504 --> 00:04:05,224 Speaker 3: about because for the US, our presidential I feel like 85 00:04:05,264 --> 00:04:06,824 Speaker 3: we've now been brought into it. I feel like the 86 00:04:06,864 --> 00:04:08,784 Speaker 3: whole world's been brought into it. So I'm talking about 87 00:04:08,864 --> 00:04:12,984 Speaker 3: Kamla Harris and Donald Trump. The election is happening Wednesday 88 00:04:13,064 --> 00:04:15,584 Speaker 3: for US. I will probably go till Friday as they 89 00:04:15,624 --> 00:04:18,544 Speaker 3: count ballots, they are pulling out their last stop. So 90 00:04:18,544 --> 00:04:21,144 Speaker 3: they have pulled out their last stops for their campaigning. 91 00:04:21,224 --> 00:04:23,864 Speaker 3: That feels like it's been going on for like twenty years, 92 00:04:24,184 --> 00:04:27,264 Speaker 3: with both of them appearing on the NBC network. So 93 00:04:27,304 --> 00:04:30,544 Speaker 3: I look this up, and legally, broadcasting networks in the 94 00:04:30,664 --> 00:04:35,024 Speaker 3: US have to give qualified candidates equal airtime. So with 95 00:04:35,064 --> 00:04:38,304 Speaker 3: the NBC, they gave Kamala Harris an appearance on an 96 00:04:38,424 --> 00:04:41,064 Speaker 3: SNL's skit, and they gave Donald Trump an appearance on 97 00:04:41,104 --> 00:04:44,544 Speaker 3: an NFL ad. So have you watched the skit with 98 00:04:44,624 --> 00:04:47,024 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, And oh my god, it is. It's great, 99 00:04:47,384 --> 00:04:49,864 Speaker 3: the best thing I've seen. I always get quite nervous 100 00:04:49,864 --> 00:04:53,304 Speaker 3: seeing politicians on SNL, like they've all done it, Joe Biden, 101 00:04:53,384 --> 00:04:57,024 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton, Obama, and I feel like it's so obvious 102 00:04:57,064 --> 00:05:01,064 Speaker 3: that they're there for their campaigning and to like remind 103 00:05:01,064 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 3: them that they're president. 104 00:05:02,544 --> 00:05:05,464 Speaker 2: But Kamala Harris was genuinely funny. 105 00:05:05,744 --> 00:05:08,384 Speaker 1: She was I also think like for the Democrats that 106 00:05:08,424 --> 00:05:10,664 Speaker 1: go on there, it's quite a safe space because there's 107 00:05:10,784 --> 00:05:13,424 Speaker 1: usually some sort of I guess like kinship with the 108 00:05:13,424 --> 00:05:15,904 Speaker 1: people who make that show and with these people. So 109 00:05:16,344 --> 00:05:18,984 Speaker 1: if you think about like Kate McKinnon being Hillary Clinton. 110 00:05:19,104 --> 00:05:21,584 Speaker 1: You know, they ended up doing some joint performances together, 111 00:05:22,064 --> 00:05:24,944 Speaker 1: and then with my Rudolph with Kamala Harris like she's 112 00:05:25,224 --> 00:05:27,664 Speaker 1: been parading her a few years, but not with the 113 00:05:28,184 --> 00:05:32,144 Speaker 1: intensity and the mockery that say, when Alec Baldwin was 114 00:05:32,184 --> 00:05:34,944 Speaker 1: doing Donald Trump. Look, Alec Baldwin's got a lot of faults, 115 00:05:34,944 --> 00:05:37,304 Speaker 1: but he was very good Donald Trump and so kind 116 00:05:37,344 --> 00:05:40,824 Speaker 1: of skewing him a bit more. And with the Democratic candidates, 117 00:05:40,864 --> 00:05:42,824 Speaker 1: they do make fun of them, but there's it's almost 118 00:05:42,824 --> 00:05:44,504 Speaker 1: like they're pulling them into the joke. And I think 119 00:05:44,504 --> 00:05:46,904 Speaker 1: that's what why I did with this one. The American 120 00:05:46,984 --> 00:05:52,184 Speaker 1: people want to start the chaos and and the dramaa 121 00:05:52,504 --> 00:05:56,184 Speaker 1: with a cool new step, Mamala keep back in our 122 00:05:56,184 --> 00:06:03,904 Speaker 1: pajamaa's and watch a rum Kamala like legally Blondola and 123 00:06:03,984 --> 00:06:06,904 Speaker 1: start decorating for Christmas. Falla Lala la. 124 00:06:08,824 --> 00:06:12,624 Speaker 3: They were so good, nailed it, like the exact same voice, 125 00:06:12,704 --> 00:06:15,104 Speaker 3: the way they looked. But I think it came out 126 00:06:15,144 --> 00:06:19,024 Speaker 3: so positively for Kamala Harris. Everything I've seen, like the 127 00:06:19,264 --> 00:06:22,224 Speaker 3: skit that she did has gone viral on TikTok and 128 00:06:22,344 --> 00:06:26,104 Speaker 3: twitter x in particular all the commentary around it that 129 00:06:26,184 --> 00:06:29,544 Speaker 3: aren't like super republican. Yeah, all, like this is actually 130 00:06:29,624 --> 00:06:32,224 Speaker 3: really funny, Like she did such a good job. In 131 00:06:32,264 --> 00:06:35,264 Speaker 3: the same breath, Donald Trump did an NFL ad which 132 00:06:35,344 --> 00:06:37,824 Speaker 3: was just quite a straight ad, like his main message 133 00:06:37,904 --> 00:06:41,264 Speaker 3: was like, we need to save the country. And because 134 00:06:41,264 --> 00:06:44,704 Speaker 3: it was played for Sunday night football. According to Nielsen, 135 00:06:45,304 --> 00:06:47,864 Speaker 3: that would have gotten more views because they have around 136 00:06:47,904 --> 00:06:51,504 Speaker 3: twenty million viewership while SNL has five point six million. 137 00:06:52,304 --> 00:06:54,584 Speaker 2: However, because of the virility of. 138 00:06:54,864 --> 00:06:58,464 Speaker 3: The SNL skit, it can be assumed that more people 139 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:01,224 Speaker 3: have seen Karmala Harris's video, and I think that's more 140 00:07:01,264 --> 00:07:04,064 Speaker 3: international people, but I'm not sure if that matters because 141 00:07:04,104 --> 00:07:05,264 Speaker 3: we can't actually vote. 142 00:07:05,504 --> 00:07:07,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing with NSNL skit is that it 143 00:07:07,504 --> 00:07:09,064 Speaker 1: can be a little touch and go in terms of, 144 00:07:09,104 --> 00:07:12,384 Speaker 1: like you really, in this day, it's not appointment viewing 145 00:07:12,504 --> 00:07:14,344 Speaker 1: like it used to be that people would sit down 146 00:07:14,384 --> 00:07:16,784 Speaker 1: on Saturday night or they would miss it, like Mindy 147 00:07:16,824 --> 00:07:18,984 Speaker 1: Kelling saying she would leave events and parties to get 148 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:21,784 Speaker 1: home and see the weekend update. But you're really counting 149 00:07:21,784 --> 00:07:24,944 Speaker 1: for it to go viral on TikTok and so yeah, 150 00:07:24,944 --> 00:07:26,984 Speaker 1: if it doesn't achieve that, then it's probably not going 151 00:07:27,024 --> 00:07:29,024 Speaker 1: to get the same eyeballs. There's no way to judge it. Also, 152 00:07:29,104 --> 00:07:31,024 Speaker 1: just at this stage of the game depends which TikTok 153 00:07:31,064 --> 00:07:33,464 Speaker 1: al rhythm you're on, Like people keep saying to me 154 00:07:33,504 --> 00:07:35,424 Speaker 1: and like, you know, like you know, group chats and stuff, 155 00:07:35,424 --> 00:07:37,024 Speaker 1: people have been like like, who do you think is 156 00:07:37,024 --> 00:07:38,704 Speaker 1: pulling ahead? Who are you just gonna win? Like it's 157 00:07:38,704 --> 00:07:41,024 Speaker 1: everyone in Australia is really talking about an intense way, 158 00:07:41,384 --> 00:07:43,424 Speaker 1: And I honestly have to say, like, because I've seen 159 00:07:43,544 --> 00:07:45,424 Speaker 1: the different poll numbers on both sides, and if you 160 00:07:45,424 --> 00:07:47,264 Speaker 1: look at one study and report, they'll say like, oh, 161 00:07:47,304 --> 00:07:50,424 Speaker 1: Karmla's ahead, and another they'll say Trump's ahead, even though 162 00:07:50,464 --> 00:07:52,984 Speaker 1: she's pulled ahead recently in some of the undecided states. 163 00:07:53,024 --> 00:07:55,224 Speaker 1: But really, once you get yourself into one little pocket 164 00:07:55,264 --> 00:07:59,464 Speaker 1: of the algorithm, it tells two very completely different stories 165 00:07:59,544 --> 00:08:00,784 Speaker 1: of who people are voting for. 166 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:03,504 Speaker 3: I think her strategy is quite smart as well, because 167 00:08:03,544 --> 00:08:07,024 Speaker 3: it was only confirmed, like moment before the live broadcast 168 00:08:07,104 --> 00:08:09,904 Speaker 3: that she would be on SML. She was currently like 169 00:08:09,944 --> 00:08:13,784 Speaker 3: still campaigning in those undecided states and like literally diverted 170 00:08:13,824 --> 00:08:15,784 Speaker 3: her plane and was like, I'm going to Snel, even 171 00:08:15,824 --> 00:08:18,664 Speaker 3: though we know New York is largely democratic, but it 172 00:08:18,744 --> 00:08:21,864 Speaker 3: also just like reminded me of like how these politicians 173 00:08:21,944 --> 00:08:24,984 Speaker 3: have to do all of this extra stuff and become 174 00:08:25,064 --> 00:08:27,504 Speaker 3: like kind of celebrities in their own sense, like they're 175 00:08:27,544 --> 00:08:30,144 Speaker 3: in these TV shows and movies just to get their 176 00:08:30,184 --> 00:08:32,584 Speaker 3: message across. Like I don't think Donald Trump has done 177 00:08:32,584 --> 00:08:35,104 Speaker 3: it recently, but when he was a businessman before being 178 00:08:35,544 --> 00:08:38,144 Speaker 3: Trump as we know him, like Home Alone and Fresh 179 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:40,624 Speaker 3: Prince of Bellat, like he was just like so obsessed 180 00:08:40,664 --> 00:08:42,584 Speaker 3: with being on TV Donald. 181 00:08:42,264 --> 00:08:44,624 Speaker 1: Trumble and a movie seeing how I know that, like 182 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:47,064 Speaker 1: in Home Alone too. In some versions they've cut him 183 00:08:47,104 --> 00:08:49,624 Speaker 1: out of that movie, but because people used to film 184 00:08:49,624 --> 00:08:52,064 Speaker 1: movies at his locations all the time, so do I 185 00:08:52,064 --> 00:08:53,984 Speaker 1: haven't seen the documents, so I don't know, but I 186 00:08:54,024 --> 00:08:55,824 Speaker 1: do believe he had a clause that if he filmed 187 00:08:55,824 --> 00:08:57,384 Speaker 1: it a Trump property, he had to be in the 188 00:08:57,424 --> 00:08:59,584 Speaker 1: TV show movie, which is why he's even so many 189 00:09:00,224 --> 00:09:02,264 Speaker 1: he's in. He's got a cameo on so many iconic 190 00:09:02,304 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 1: movies because he owned all the New York real estate 191 00:09:04,464 --> 00:09:05,224 Speaker 1: they were filming at. 192 00:09:05,464 --> 00:09:08,704 Speaker 3: That's so funny, that's so funny of him. Also, do 193 00:09:08,784 --> 00:09:10,504 Speaker 3: you remember Michelle Obama. She wasn't I. 194 00:09:11,304 --> 00:09:12,584 Speaker 1: Do remember Michelle Obama. 195 00:09:12,704 --> 00:09:14,624 Speaker 3: She was like in the Parks and RECs. I think 196 00:09:14,624 --> 00:09:15,864 Speaker 3: a lot of them were in parks and RECs, like 197 00:09:15,904 --> 00:09:18,584 Speaker 3: Joe Biden as well. But she made an appearance in IKRLI. 198 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:21,344 Speaker 1: I mean, she's trying to get those younger voters, trying 199 00:09:21,344 --> 00:09:23,064 Speaker 1: to get people because you know, because it's not compulsory 200 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:24,744 Speaker 1: to vote, you are trying to get That's why Kamla 201 00:09:24,824 --> 00:09:27,264 Speaker 1: Harris did call her daddy and all those kind of 202 00:09:28,104 --> 00:09:30,224 Speaker 1: and that's why she did SNL. I'm sure knowing that 203 00:09:30,304 --> 00:09:32,584 Speaker 1: it would go viral on TikTok. What I'm kind of 204 00:09:32,584 --> 00:09:35,784 Speaker 1: funny interesting about this is that I think what I'm 205 00:09:35,824 --> 00:09:37,704 Speaker 1: sort of seeing from a pop culture lens of the 206 00:09:37,824 --> 00:09:41,304 Speaker 1: US election is that we kind of had It's kind 207 00:09:41,304 --> 00:09:43,424 Speaker 1: of been our understanding for such a long time that 208 00:09:43,784 --> 00:09:47,024 Speaker 1: pop culture and celebrity influence is. It's such an all 209 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:50,504 Speaker 1: time high and such an all encompassing high. But I 210 00:09:50,504 --> 00:09:52,824 Speaker 1: think if Donald Trump wins the election, it does call 211 00:09:52,864 --> 00:09:55,904 Speaker 1: into question because you just think of how many big 212 00:09:55,984 --> 00:10:00,584 Speaker 1: name celebrities are rallying around Kamala Harris, like every kind 213 00:10:00,624 --> 00:10:03,984 Speaker 1: of big A list Hollywood star every so many musicians, 214 00:10:03,984 --> 00:10:06,504 Speaker 1: so many people are out there saying, like vote for her, 215 00:10:06,544 --> 00:10:08,864 Speaker 1: and not only they just posting it, they're like, you know, 216 00:10:08,944 --> 00:10:12,144 Speaker 1: there's videos of people like even Jennifer Garnald, like, I 217 00:10:12,144 --> 00:10:13,664 Speaker 1: know she's not the top celebrity the moment, but she's 218 00:10:13,864 --> 00:10:15,544 Speaker 1: the most recent one who I've seen who's out on 219 00:10:15,584 --> 00:10:18,864 Speaker 1: the streets trying to get people to vote for Kamla Harris. 220 00:10:18,864 --> 00:10:20,944 Speaker 1: And then you also think when Taylor Swift put up 221 00:10:20,984 --> 00:10:24,224 Speaker 1: that huge, big endorsement and everyone was like, well, this 222 00:10:24,304 --> 00:10:26,304 Speaker 1: is good, that's it, like thee election call, because she 223 00:10:26,344 --> 00:10:28,784 Speaker 1: has so much influence. She's the most influential person in 224 00:10:28,824 --> 00:10:31,704 Speaker 1: the world right now, and if she's telling people to 225 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:34,064 Speaker 1: go out and vote for a particular person, won't they 226 00:10:34,144 --> 00:10:35,904 Speaker 1: do it? But then you look at the polling numbers 227 00:10:35,944 --> 00:10:36,704 Speaker 1: and it's so close. 228 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:39,744 Speaker 3: Whenever seeing the bigger picture, because I think we always 229 00:10:39,824 --> 00:10:43,424 Speaker 3: just get showed what the algorithm those will digest, because 230 00:10:43,424 --> 00:10:46,624 Speaker 3: we forget that, like, yes, Taylor Swift is hugely influential, 231 00:10:46,664 --> 00:10:49,704 Speaker 3: but there's also on the same level the same amount 232 00:10:49,704 --> 00:10:52,224 Speaker 3: of people who absolutely hate her for no reason. Yeah, 233 00:10:52,264 --> 00:10:54,504 Speaker 3: and those people will probably be Republican. And then we 234 00:10:54,544 --> 00:10:57,264 Speaker 3: also see like Mel Gibson and like Dennis Quaid, who 235 00:10:57,304 --> 00:10:59,064 Speaker 3: are well loudly supportable. 236 00:10:59,264 --> 00:11:01,024 Speaker 1: I think when you look at the two different celebrity 237 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:03,464 Speaker 1: endorsement sides, you've got pretty much all of Hollywood, of 238 00:11:03,504 --> 00:11:07,344 Speaker 1: the music industry and influences on Kamla Harris's side, and 239 00:11:07,344 --> 00:11:09,344 Speaker 1: then on Trump you've got Dennis Quaid, who I don't 240 00:11:09,344 --> 00:11:11,864 Speaker 1: think anyone's doing what he said. Mel Gibson, who I 241 00:11:11,904 --> 00:11:13,784 Speaker 1: would be telling him to stay out of my rally 242 00:11:13,784 --> 00:11:15,464 Speaker 1: if I was not on trumplo. He probably doesn't care. 243 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:19,984 Speaker 1: And also my ex husband now Zachary Levi, I still 244 00:11:19,984 --> 00:11:21,864 Speaker 1: got that video on my profile of me talking about 245 00:11:21,904 --> 00:11:22,584 Speaker 1: how much I love. 246 00:11:22,544 --> 00:11:24,624 Speaker 2: Him and then archive I'm. 247 00:11:24,464 --> 00:11:26,504 Speaker 1: Gonna get please remind me of this episode to go 248 00:11:26,504 --> 00:11:26,744 Speaker 1: at Ark. 249 00:11:26,864 --> 00:11:29,144 Speaker 3: Maybe we can make it ceremonial. So once the election 250 00:11:29,264 --> 00:11:31,904 Speaker 3: is called, depending who wins, I mean, if whoever wins, 251 00:11:31,944 --> 00:11:33,024 Speaker 3: let's just ceremony. 252 00:11:33,264 --> 00:11:36,464 Speaker 1: Zach got up at a Zach Zachary or a straight 253 00:11:37,424 --> 00:11:39,944 Speaker 1: got up on the stage the rally and was like, 254 00:11:39,944 --> 00:11:42,024 Speaker 1: we only have two choices, so we have to make 255 00:11:42,064 --> 00:11:44,544 Speaker 1: a decision. There's no point talking about this or that, 256 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:45,984 Speaker 1: Like this is a decision. I was like, the man 257 00:11:46,024 --> 00:11:48,064 Speaker 1: speaks sense. And then he was like, so I think 258 00:11:48,064 --> 00:11:49,304 Speaker 1: we should vote for Trump, And I was. 259 00:11:49,264 --> 00:11:51,944 Speaker 2: Like, no, wrong decision, Zach, wrong decision. 260 00:11:51,984 --> 00:11:53,784 Speaker 1: I didn't back it up with also any fact. It's 261 00:11:53,784 --> 00:11:55,504 Speaker 1: not like I'm out here saying that I have more 262 00:11:55,544 --> 00:11:57,544 Speaker 1: political knowledge than anyone else. But I'm just saying you 263 00:11:57,584 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 1: can't just say that, and they're not back it up 264 00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:02,344 Speaker 1: with any facts. So anyway, Yeah, the discrepancy of which 265 00:12:02,384 --> 00:12:05,824 Speaker 1: celebrities are taking size is so firmly on one side. 266 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:08,144 Speaker 1: So if the election doesn't come off that way, I think, 267 00:12:08,384 --> 00:12:10,504 Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's bigger things to worry about, but 268 00:12:10,544 --> 00:12:12,464 Speaker 1: I do think it does call into question that like 269 00:12:13,224 --> 00:12:16,784 Speaker 1: celebrities of Taylorsiff's power, they can get you to travel, 270 00:12:16,784 --> 00:12:19,024 Speaker 1: they can get you to spend all of your life savings, 271 00:12:19,064 --> 00:12:20,744 Speaker 1: they can get you to think a particularly dress in 272 00:12:20,744 --> 00:12:23,144 Speaker 1: a particular way, but they can't sway a vote. I 273 00:12:23,184 --> 00:12:27,904 Speaker 1: think is interesting where people draw the line. So this 274 00:12:27,944 --> 00:12:30,184 Speaker 1: is going to feel like a bit of a repetitive sentence. 275 00:12:30,224 --> 00:12:33,784 Speaker 1: But Kim Kardashian went to just had to say, I'm like, 276 00:12:33,784 --> 00:12:34,224 Speaker 1: I'm with you. 277 00:12:34,424 --> 00:12:34,904 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 278 00:12:35,464 --> 00:12:38,504 Speaker 1: Went to a very glitzy event this week and wore 279 00:12:38,584 --> 00:12:41,344 Speaker 1: something designed to get headlines, and now there is been 280 00:12:41,384 --> 00:12:43,064 Speaker 1: a predictable wave of backlash. 281 00:12:43,224 --> 00:12:45,264 Speaker 3: Oh, we actually talked about this, So you're talking about 282 00:12:45,264 --> 00:12:47,144 Speaker 3: the Marilyn Monroe. 283 00:12:47,464 --> 00:12:49,184 Speaker 1: This is the same story. This is a pick up 284 00:12:49,184 --> 00:12:51,824 Speaker 1: episode from two years ago. No, no, no. So Kim 285 00:12:51,904 --> 00:12:56,304 Speaker 1: Kardashian attended the LACMA Art and Film Gala. 286 00:12:56,864 --> 00:13:00,504 Speaker 3: It was very well, we were busy, we were at Wicked. 287 00:13:00,744 --> 00:13:03,264 Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, for the first time ever, we were at 288 00:13:03,304 --> 00:13:07,464 Speaker 1: a bigger event, I do believe. So Kim Kardashian attended. 289 00:13:07,784 --> 00:13:11,024 Speaker 1: She obviously looked very beautiful, very put together. But what 290 00:13:11,144 --> 00:13:15,264 Speaker 1: the big headline making moment was is that she was 291 00:13:15,384 --> 00:13:21,064 Speaker 1: wearing a very famous necklace that once belonged to Princess Diana. 292 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:25,864 Speaker 1: And the last time this very iconic cross statement necklace 293 00:13:26,064 --> 00:13:28,824 Speaker 1: was seen was when Princess Diana wore it at a 294 00:13:28,904 --> 00:13:32,104 Speaker 1: charity ball in London back in nineteen eighty seven. You 295 00:13:32,104 --> 00:13:36,624 Speaker 1: weren't even alive, was alive? I don't remember this moment. 296 00:13:36,784 --> 00:13:38,104 Speaker 2: So it's a big piece. 297 00:13:38,384 --> 00:13:41,944 Speaker 1: Sounds like it, Yeah, I mean both historically and also 298 00:13:42,104 --> 00:13:43,464 Speaker 1: the actual physical size. 299 00:13:43,584 --> 00:13:44,864 Speaker 2: It's probably very expensive. 300 00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:47,904 Speaker 1: So Kim Kardashian bought the piece at a Sotheby's auction 301 00:13:48,064 --> 00:13:51,984 Speaker 1: last year for over two hundred ninety eight thousand dollars 302 00:13:52,824 --> 00:13:55,984 Speaker 1: for this piece, and this is the first time she 303 00:13:56,144 --> 00:13:57,464 Speaker 1: has worn it publicly. 304 00:13:57,544 --> 00:14:00,104 Speaker 3: It didn't meanwhile, that that necklace like could pay off 305 00:14:00,104 --> 00:14:00,624 Speaker 3: someone's more. 306 00:14:01,384 --> 00:14:05,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, obviously that's just part of her 307 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:07,264 Speaker 1: jewelry collection. She has many pieces like that that's in 308 00:14:07,264 --> 00:14:10,104 Speaker 1: a draw somewhere. It made headlines when she bought it, 309 00:14:10,144 --> 00:14:12,264 Speaker 1: and I think she's been holding onto the perfect moment 310 00:14:12,344 --> 00:14:14,824 Speaker 1: to bring it out, and I'm assuming she thought the 311 00:14:14,944 --> 00:14:18,184 Speaker 1: art in film Gala was the right place. And the backlash, 312 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:20,744 Speaker 1: of course, is that people think that she's trying to 313 00:14:20,864 --> 00:14:23,384 Speaker 1: cosplay is Princess Diana, that she's trying to tie their 314 00:14:23,464 --> 00:14:26,664 Speaker 1: names together, and that she's trading off her legacy in 315 00:14:26,704 --> 00:14:29,104 Speaker 1: a very cheap way. But I think it actually the 316 00:14:29,144 --> 00:14:32,784 Speaker 1: conversation goes so much further than that. I think that's 317 00:14:32,904 --> 00:14:35,544 Speaker 1: very kind of almost like predictable backlash, and it doesn't 318 00:14:35,664 --> 00:14:37,464 Speaker 1: kind of fuel the conversation anyway. 319 00:14:37,864 --> 00:14:40,984 Speaker 3: Personally, I would like to see pieces like that in 320 00:14:41,064 --> 00:14:44,504 Speaker 3: a museum where I can also see it. I understand 321 00:14:44,504 --> 00:14:49,344 Speaker 3: the ick of having a reality star where a royal 322 00:14:49,424 --> 00:14:50,984 Speaker 3: piece of Jewelry's. 323 00:14:50,384 --> 00:14:53,424 Speaker 1: More than a reality star at this stage of the game, Like, 324 00:14:53,464 --> 00:14:53,944 Speaker 1: come on, we. 325 00:14:53,904 --> 00:14:56,304 Speaker 3: Have m Kardashian's over, then I'll call her something else. 326 00:14:56,424 --> 00:14:58,064 Speaker 3: But right now, she's a reality star. 327 00:14:58,144 --> 00:15:02,904 Speaker 1: Her business woman, a cultural icon, a business actress. Emily 328 00:15:02,984 --> 00:15:05,424 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not like Kimikardashan doesn't mean to defend her, 329 00:15:05,464 --> 00:15:07,944 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying she is more than a reality star. Okay, 330 00:15:07,984 --> 00:15:09,304 Speaker 1: but I do aggressive language. 331 00:15:09,384 --> 00:15:10,904 Speaker 2: I do understand and the ick. 332 00:15:10,904 --> 00:15:13,104 Speaker 3: I think reality starts are great, but I understand the 333 00:15:13,144 --> 00:15:16,744 Speaker 3: ick of like seeing something that's so easily available to 334 00:15:16,824 --> 00:15:18,024 Speaker 3: so many people. 335 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:20,264 Speaker 1: Yes, and buying it for that re I think it's 336 00:15:20,304 --> 00:15:22,624 Speaker 1: more interesting to kind of look at the bigger play 337 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:24,344 Speaker 1: of what she's doing here. And I understand the it too, 338 00:15:24,464 --> 00:15:26,824 Speaker 1: especially for like, you know, people who love Princess Diana 339 00:15:26,904 --> 00:15:29,704 Speaker 1: so much and thinking that someone's looking for like a 340 00:15:29,784 --> 00:15:31,584 Speaker 1: quick headline, which at the end of the day is 341 00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:34,464 Speaker 1: what she has done. Like she got a headline by 342 00:15:34,504 --> 00:15:37,264 Speaker 1: wearing that necklace. And if you think of the amount 343 00:15:37,264 --> 00:15:39,944 Speaker 1: of press that she's got from it in terms of 344 00:15:40,184 --> 00:15:42,304 Speaker 1: all the magazines that covered it, all the news sites 345 00:15:42,384 --> 00:15:44,864 Speaker 1: or the podcasts like us, if she had gone out 346 00:15:44,864 --> 00:15:47,584 Speaker 1: and sort of paid for that amount of publicity. It 347 00:15:47,624 --> 00:15:49,904 Speaker 1: would have been a huge, huge amount of money. And 348 00:15:49,944 --> 00:15:53,144 Speaker 1: so every time she wears that necklace or she uses 349 00:15:53,184 --> 00:15:55,144 Speaker 1: it for content, which you know, you know they were 350 00:15:55,144 --> 00:15:57,184 Speaker 1: filming that whole thing for the Kadashians. There'll be a 351 00:15:57,184 --> 00:15:59,904 Speaker 1: whole episode on her wearing the necklace that I will watch. 352 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:03,344 Speaker 1: And just the amount of kind of currency she has 353 00:16:03,384 --> 00:16:07,584 Speaker 1: from that. It's almost like how celebrities buy ad space nowadays. 354 00:16:07,624 --> 00:16:11,824 Speaker 1: They buy different objects to create buzz, and the way 355 00:16:11,824 --> 00:16:14,944 Speaker 1: they're doing that the moment is by trading on famous 356 00:16:14,984 --> 00:16:16,984 Speaker 1: names who came before them, and Kim Karashian's kind of 357 00:16:17,064 --> 00:16:17,864 Speaker 1: leading the pack with that. 358 00:16:18,264 --> 00:16:19,384 Speaker 2: Yeah. 359 00:16:19,544 --> 00:16:24,064 Speaker 3: I just like imagine like Will and Harry, like seeing 360 00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:27,704 Speaker 3: your dead mother's necklace on Kim Kardashian. 361 00:16:27,784 --> 00:16:29,664 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean the thing is, if she hadn't 362 00:16:29,664 --> 00:16:31,864 Speaker 1: bought it, another rich person would have, you know, And. 363 00:16:32,064 --> 00:16:34,864 Speaker 3: Also the headlines around it, right, they didn't know, They 364 00:16:34,904 --> 00:16:35,584 Speaker 3: wouldn't know. 365 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:37,984 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. It's the headlines around it. And I 366 00:16:38,024 --> 00:16:41,344 Speaker 1: think what Kim Karashian's doing with this is that she 367 00:16:41,344 --> 00:16:43,704 Speaker 1: she's playing the long game in terms of how she's 368 00:16:43,744 --> 00:16:46,624 Speaker 1: trying to cement herself and stop people from you calling 369 00:16:46,624 --> 00:16:49,304 Speaker 1: her a reality start and I think it started back 370 00:16:49,344 --> 00:16:54,144 Speaker 1: with her wearing the Marilyn Monroe dress in twenty twenty two, which. 371 00:16:53,944 --> 00:16:54,944 Speaker 2: Went so well for her. 372 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:57,024 Speaker 1: It did go well for her, Are you kidding? It 373 00:16:57,064 --> 00:16:59,224 Speaker 1: didn't go She has been trying it did, Emily. She 374 00:16:59,264 --> 00:17:02,424 Speaker 1: has been trying to create that buzz for all the 375 00:17:02,544 --> 00:17:05,664 Speaker 1: years after this, and she has never been able to heighten, like, 376 00:17:05,744 --> 00:17:09,384 Speaker 1: get to those heightened levels of publicity with another piece again. 377 00:17:09,424 --> 00:17:10,784 Speaker 1: And the woman is hard. 378 00:17:10,824 --> 00:17:12,704 Speaker 2: So she doesn't care what type of publicer they she 379 00:17:12,744 --> 00:17:13,984 Speaker 2: gets a public. 380 00:17:13,984 --> 00:17:17,424 Speaker 1: Because yes, she doesn't care I think if some people 381 00:17:17,544 --> 00:17:21,584 Speaker 1: are angry at her or if some people are offended 382 00:17:21,664 --> 00:17:24,824 Speaker 1: by it, because overall, what she wants is to have 383 00:17:24,904 --> 00:17:28,464 Speaker 1: everyone talking about her and to have her picture everywhere, 384 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:30,224 Speaker 1: and for her to be the tailor she is. The 385 00:17:30,304 --> 00:17:33,464 Speaker 1: takeaway from that twenty twenty two metgala, there's no denying 386 00:17:33,504 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 1: that she got the most publicity around it. People still 387 00:17:37,664 --> 00:17:40,344 Speaker 1: talk about it, and now her name is forever linked 388 00:17:40,424 --> 00:17:43,224 Speaker 1: with Marilyn Monroe, whether people like that or not, because 389 00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:46,984 Speaker 1: it's not just that she wore the dress. Also, there 390 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,104 Speaker 1: were so many people at the time who were saying 391 00:17:49,104 --> 00:17:51,584 Speaker 1: she should have just worn the replica because infamously she 392 00:17:51,664 --> 00:17:54,464 Speaker 1: had that little tent on the side of the metgala carpet, 393 00:17:54,464 --> 00:17:56,384 Speaker 1: which no one else gets to do. This just shows 394 00:17:56,424 --> 00:18:00,024 Speaker 1: her clout. She had to wear a bathrobe to the event, 395 00:18:00,224 --> 00:18:03,784 Speaker 1: got into the tent, put the dress on, tiptoed down 396 00:18:04,064 --> 00:18:06,624 Speaker 1: the red carpet, barely able to move, and when she 397 00:18:06,664 --> 00:18:08,024 Speaker 1: got to the top of the stairs, she put the 398 00:18:08,064 --> 00:18:10,504 Speaker 1: replica dress on, which she could easily move and breathe in. 399 00:18:10,664 --> 00:18:12,744 Speaker 1: And it didn't matter if I got a drink spilled 400 00:18:12,744 --> 00:18:15,144 Speaker 1: on it or anything like that. And so many people said, like, well, 401 00:18:15,184 --> 00:18:17,104 Speaker 1: why didn't she just wear the replica dress? But the 402 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:19,984 Speaker 1: thing is that doesn't make headlines. Think of the difference 403 00:18:19,984 --> 00:18:24,104 Speaker 1: of Kim Kardashian wearing Marilyn Munrose dress to Kim Kardashian 404 00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:27,224 Speaker 1: wearing a replica of Marilyn Munrose dress. One's getting on 405 00:18:27,224 --> 00:18:29,184 Speaker 1: the front page and one is a sidebarth. 406 00:18:29,224 --> 00:18:31,504 Speaker 3: But then what's the difference between that and like rage 407 00:18:31,504 --> 00:18:32,744 Speaker 3: bait because that's what it feels like. 408 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,944 Speaker 1: Well, I think also it's the story that she builds 409 00:18:36,024 --> 00:18:37,824 Speaker 1: up around it, like whether this worked or not. But 410 00:18:37,904 --> 00:18:40,504 Speaker 1: what she did was that she There's footage of her 411 00:18:40,584 --> 00:18:42,744 Speaker 1: like meeting with the Ripley's team and talking to them. 412 00:18:42,784 --> 00:18:45,544 Speaker 1: There's footage of her in her home, in her big, 413 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:48,664 Speaker 1: like you know, mansion, talking about how much she identifies 414 00:18:48,704 --> 00:18:50,624 Speaker 1: with Marilyn Monroe and how she was such a smart 415 00:18:50,624 --> 00:18:53,704 Speaker 1: businesswoman and she was She even says, like, all these 416 00:18:53,744 --> 00:18:56,544 Speaker 1: tricks I do in terms of like using you know, 417 00:18:56,704 --> 00:18:59,104 Speaker 1: my body and my looks and everything to kind of 418 00:18:59,104 --> 00:19:01,664 Speaker 1: build a brand as a businesswoman, she did it first. 419 00:19:01,704 --> 00:19:03,864 Speaker 1: So she really like she was setting the scene for 420 00:19:03,904 --> 00:19:06,784 Speaker 1: so long of trying to make it look like she 421 00:19:06,984 --> 00:19:10,024 Speaker 1: was paying tribute, not ripping off her name. And that's 422 00:19:10,064 --> 00:19:11,904 Speaker 1: why when she was getting ready for the met gala, 423 00:19:12,104 --> 00:19:14,464 Speaker 1: she had that whole room. Do you remember this, She 424 00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:18,744 Speaker 1: had that whole room of Marilyn Munroe's personal artifacts. So 425 00:19:18,784 --> 00:19:21,224 Speaker 1: they had all her original makeup in the room when 426 00:19:21,224 --> 00:19:23,544 Speaker 1: she was getting ready, not to use just to be 427 00:19:23,664 --> 00:19:26,304 Speaker 1: with her, and they gave her so weird they gave 428 00:19:26,384 --> 00:19:28,824 Speaker 1: her a lock of Marilyn Monroe's hair. Yeah, she was 429 00:19:28,864 --> 00:19:30,944 Speaker 1: carrying that was a bit weird. I was like, okay, 430 00:19:31,064 --> 00:19:33,984 Speaker 1: now down. But the thing is that she didn't just 431 00:19:34,024 --> 00:19:39,544 Speaker 1: wear the dress. She was trying to capitalize on Marilyn 432 00:19:39,624 --> 00:19:43,224 Speaker 1: Monroe's legacy, because Marilyn Monroe has become like less of 433 00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:45,184 Speaker 1: a person to people and more of just an icon, 434 00:19:45,224 --> 00:19:47,224 Speaker 1: you know, because she's got such a signature look and 435 00:19:47,384 --> 00:19:50,424 Speaker 1: vibe and very much how when Kim kutash she went 436 00:19:50,464 --> 00:19:53,424 Speaker 1: to another metgala where she had her face and everything covered, 437 00:19:53,464 --> 00:19:55,224 Speaker 1: you could just tell by the silhouette of her body 438 00:19:55,264 --> 00:19:57,264 Speaker 1: that's like also a very Marilyn Monroe move. 439 00:19:57,424 --> 00:19:58,384 Speaker 2: I still think it's. 440 00:19:58,224 --> 00:20:01,864 Speaker 3: So like gross in a way because like obviously Marilyn 441 00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:06,624 Speaker 3: Monroe and even Princess Diana such horrific deaths, like well 442 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:10,224 Speaker 3: before the time, and they were like now reading about them, 443 00:20:10,344 --> 00:20:12,944 Speaker 3: everyone knows that they've had such a shit time in 444 00:20:12,984 --> 00:20:16,744 Speaker 3: the spotlight and with media, and just leave them, like 445 00:20:16,864 --> 00:20:19,224 Speaker 3: leave them at peace. Like why does Kim Karashan have 446 00:20:19,224 --> 00:20:20,824 Speaker 3: to entangle her name with these women? 447 00:20:20,904 --> 00:20:22,904 Speaker 1: Because she's getting such good press out of it, and 448 00:20:22,944 --> 00:20:24,304 Speaker 1: also there's so many. 449 00:20:24,584 --> 00:20:27,624 Speaker 3: She's getting pressed, but like it's such a dirty move. 450 00:20:27,904 --> 00:20:30,144 Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not saying like she's doing the right thing. 451 00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:32,504 Speaker 1: I'm just saying from like a business and pr perspective, 452 00:20:32,504 --> 00:20:34,824 Speaker 1: it's working really well for her because there's only so 453 00:20:34,824 --> 00:20:37,224 Speaker 1: many times she can wear like a near naked outfit 454 00:20:37,384 --> 00:20:39,144 Speaker 1: or you know, a wet look dress or something like 455 00:20:39,184 --> 00:20:42,824 Speaker 1: that and have that kind of churn of publicity around it, 456 00:20:42,864 --> 00:20:44,664 Speaker 1: Like it does get to a stage where you kind 457 00:20:44,664 --> 00:20:47,664 Speaker 1: of even at the last met gala, how she had 458 00:20:47,824 --> 00:20:50,224 Speaker 1: that sequin dress and it was nice and then she 459 00:20:50,264 --> 00:20:52,704 Speaker 1: had to go and grab the cardigan, which people saying 460 00:20:52,744 --> 00:20:54,104 Speaker 1: she dribbed on the way there. She didn't. It was 461 00:20:54,104 --> 00:20:56,504 Speaker 1: part of the look. It's because she had to have 462 00:20:56,544 --> 00:20:59,184 Speaker 1: something to talk about to create a moment. She has 463 00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:02,744 Speaker 1: to always have some backstory, and the cardigan didn't land 464 00:21:02,744 --> 00:21:05,104 Speaker 1: because it wasn't linked to anyone famous. It was just 465 00:21:05,144 --> 00:21:06,984 Speaker 1: her saying, like this is reminding me of being in 466 00:21:07,024 --> 00:21:09,944 Speaker 1: the garden with a boyfriend. It's like that boyfriend needs 467 00:21:09,944 --> 00:21:11,744 Speaker 1: to be adad famous man or people are not going 468 00:21:11,784 --> 00:21:14,544 Speaker 1: to care about your look. So now she's going through 469 00:21:14,704 --> 00:21:18,664 Speaker 1: and very strategically linking her name to all these different 470 00:21:18,664 --> 00:21:21,704 Speaker 1: famous women to get headlines and to get publicity. And 471 00:21:21,824 --> 00:21:24,024 Speaker 1: the way she's doing it is talking about because she's 472 00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:25,984 Speaker 1: talked about Princess Diana and how iconic she thinks she 473 00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:28,824 Speaker 1: is and how amazing, yes she will she looks like 474 00:21:28,864 --> 00:21:30,424 Speaker 1: she can pay tribute she did. You know, she was 475 00:21:30,464 --> 00:21:32,584 Speaker 1: one of the last people to speak with Elizabeth Taylor 476 00:21:32,624 --> 00:21:36,464 Speaker 1: before she died because she wanted to channel Elizabeth Taylor. 477 00:21:36,544 --> 00:21:39,384 Speaker 1: So she did a whole photo shoot looking like Elizabeth Taylor, 478 00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:41,664 Speaker 1: and they were supposed to have tea together, and I 479 00:21:41,704 --> 00:21:43,664 Speaker 1: think she was about to kind of build her brand 480 00:21:43,704 --> 00:21:49,504 Speaker 1: off Elizabeth Taylor, who died in twenty eleven, and one 481 00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:52,144 Speaker 1: of the last kind of meetings she had was with 482 00:21:52,224 --> 00:21:54,264 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. Well, so they only spoke on the phone. 483 00:21:54,304 --> 00:21:56,784 Speaker 1: They were supposed to have tea, and I think Kim 484 00:21:56,864 --> 00:21:59,304 Speaker 1: Kardashian was going to work on like maybe getting some 485 00:21:59,384 --> 00:22:02,424 Speaker 1: of her pieces channeling her doing more than the photo shoot, 486 00:22:02,464 --> 00:22:05,544 Speaker 1: kind of like becoming the next like like linking herself 487 00:22:05,584 --> 00:22:08,104 Speaker 1: with Elizabeth Taylor. And then they only got a phone 488 00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:09,864 Speaker 1: call before she passed away. And I don't think she's 489 00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:11,704 Speaker 1: sort of gone back into that area. 490 00:22:11,864 --> 00:22:14,584 Speaker 3: She's like, oh, Elizabeth Taylor's died, I think I can 491 00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:15,984 Speaker 3: do something with dead women. 492 00:22:16,704 --> 00:22:19,224 Speaker 1: I just don't even again, not overly defending her, I'm 493 00:22:19,224 --> 00:22:22,224 Speaker 1: just saying that she I feel like Kim Kardashian and 494 00:22:22,344 --> 00:22:25,104 Speaker 1: so many, so many famous Hollywood women are just very 495 00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:28,664 Speaker 1: aware of how difficult now it can be to get 496 00:22:29,144 --> 00:22:31,784 Speaker 1: those big headline moments, which is why so many of 497 00:22:31,824 --> 00:22:34,304 Speaker 1: them when they're doing film press addressing as their characters. 498 00:22:34,584 --> 00:22:37,104 Speaker 1: And then we even saw Blake Lively kind of try 499 00:22:37,144 --> 00:22:39,704 Speaker 1: and do it and not really it didn't really work 500 00:22:39,824 --> 00:22:41,944 Speaker 1: on the It ends with us pressed too. I remember 501 00:22:41,984 --> 00:22:44,624 Speaker 1: the premiere, she wore a dress that was very famously 502 00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:47,544 Speaker 1: worn by Britney Spears, and as she walked to the carpet, 503 00:22:47,584 --> 00:22:49,384 Speaker 1: she kept talking about Britney Spears and saying how much 504 00:22:49,384 --> 00:22:53,504 Speaker 1: she loved her, inspired her and they stay alive. Well, yeah, 505 00:22:53,624 --> 00:22:55,384 Speaker 1: of course, but she was more talking about linking her 506 00:22:55,704 --> 00:22:59,264 Speaker 1: legacy to another famous woman. But because it felt like 507 00:22:59,344 --> 00:23:02,104 Speaker 1: such a kind of almost like such a desperate grab 508 00:23:02,184 --> 00:23:05,304 Speaker 1: for publicity, it didn't really land. So I think with 509 00:23:05,424 --> 00:23:07,504 Speaker 1: Kim like she's trying to kind of pepper it in 510 00:23:07,984 --> 00:23:10,264 Speaker 1: here and there with those iconic pieces and linking them 511 00:23:10,424 --> 00:23:13,984 Speaker 1: to fashion moments, and look it's working like that necklace, 512 00:23:14,104 --> 00:23:15,624 Speaker 1: like she's going to make her money back on the 513 00:23:15,664 --> 00:23:17,944 Speaker 1: amount of like press coverage she's got from it. 514 00:23:19,144 --> 00:23:21,864 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the episode today. 515 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,784 Speaker 3: If you want more content on the US election. 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But you know what, I think 522 00:23:38,024 --> 00:23:38,504 Speaker 2: we wondered. 523 00:23:38,744 --> 00:23:40,184 Speaker 1: My eyes are so sore still. 524 00:23:41,064 --> 00:23:43,744 Speaker 3: The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production 525 00:23:43,824 --> 00:23:44,704 Speaker 3: by Scott Stronik. 526 00:23:44,784 --> 00:23:46,704 Speaker 2: We will be back here in your podcast feed at 527 00:23:46,704 --> 00:23:47,704 Speaker 2: three pm tomorrow. 528 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:51,864 Speaker 1: Bye bye