WEBVTT - Ben Is The Most Newly Divorced Man You've Ever Seen 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:18.407 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:22.487 --> 0:00:24.167 Hello and welcome. 0:00:23.767 --> 0:00:26.167 To Mamma Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking 0:00:26.207 --> 0:00:28.367 about on Wednesday, the seventh of August. 0:00:28.447 --> 0:00:30.967 I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm me of Friedman, and. 0:00:30.887 --> 0:00:33.127 I'm Jesse Stevens. And I'm sorry I was away the 0:00:33.207 --> 0:00:35.367 other day. I was sick and I really had foma. 0:00:35.487 --> 0:00:37.647 I really wanted to be on that episode. 0:00:37.167 --> 0:00:43.807 Because it wasn't about She was happy to have missed it. 0:00:43.887 --> 0:00:46.647 Yes, that that I was happy about. But em filled 0:00:46.687 --> 0:00:47.567 in and did a brilliant job. 0:00:48.607 --> 0:00:52.727 On today's show with Jesse Stevens, things. 0:00:52.527 --> 0:00:53.367 Just got weird. 0:00:53.927 --> 0:00:57.687 How a schoolyard insult has become the most effective political 0:00:57.727 --> 0:01:00.807 strategy in the US election, and why the man who 0:01:00.887 --> 0:01:05.127 coined it is Kamala's new right hand man. Also, there's 0:01:05.167 --> 0:01:07.687 worms in the village food and a very hot man 0:01:07.727 --> 0:01:11.127 sleeping in a park. Yes, it's an expert Olympic roundup, 0:01:11.447 --> 0:01:15.367 and the truth counsel friendship theory. One of the world's 0:01:15.447 --> 0:01:19.087 richest women says she runs every big decision by three 0:01:19.207 --> 0:01:22.527 specific people and it's what you don't want to talk 0:01:22.567 --> 0:01:25.807 to them about that teaches you the most. But first, 0:01:25.967 --> 0:01:27.527 Jesse Stevens. 0:01:27.047 --> 0:01:29.967 In case you missed it, Ben Affleck has been described 0:01:30.127 --> 0:01:34.207 as the most divorced man you've ever seen, the actor who, 0:01:34.247 --> 0:01:36.967 as far as we know, is still married to Jennifer Lopez. 0:01:37.087 --> 0:01:39.807 No ring though, no ring, but sometimes ring. I went 0:01:39.807 --> 0:01:42.967 through the timeline yesterday in granular detail, and every time 0:01:43.007 --> 0:01:45.247 you like the rings off, the ring comes back on. 0:01:45.407 --> 0:01:49.327 Jalo's moved her engagement ring to her right hand, and 0:01:49.367 --> 0:01:52.007 I don't think she's wearing her wedding ring anymore now. 0:01:52.087 --> 0:01:55.087 Want This divorce has been going on now for a while, 0:01:55.287 --> 0:01:57.567 and nobody is giving us any reason to believe it 0:01:57.607 --> 0:01:58.247 is untrue. 0:01:58.607 --> 0:02:01.727 So we needed the last piece of evidence that this 0:02:01.887 --> 0:02:02.447 was true right now. 0:02:02.447 --> 0:02:04.967 If it wasn't enough that they solved their marital. 0:02:04.647 --> 0:02:06.687 Home and Ben bought a home of his own in 0:02:06.687 --> 0:02:07.527 a different on a. 0:02:07.447 --> 0:02:10.447 Different very different somehow exactly. 0:02:10.207 --> 0:02:13.687 And was not in attendance on her Bridgeston themed birthday. 0:02:13.327 --> 0:02:16.167 Past and Jaylo also canceled her summer tour to spend 0:02:16.167 --> 0:02:18.167 time with family. Why do we not? 0:02:20.287 --> 0:02:22.407 That was all the evidence we could just pull out 0:02:22.447 --> 0:02:24.167 without having done any research or. 0:02:24.207 --> 0:02:29.007 Made any notes. Literally none. I really worry about my brain. Okay, Jesse, Okay. 0:02:29.247 --> 0:02:32.367 The evidence we needed is Ben Affleck being photographed in 0:02:32.527 --> 0:02:37.247 la He was photographed, as. 0:02:37.127 --> 0:02:40.567 Maya would say, this is not a visual medium's visual medium. 0:02:40.567 --> 0:02:43.047 But I'm going to describe what he looks like. It's 0:02:43.047 --> 0:02:46.647 his haircut. I think it's called a faux hawk, which 0:02:46.687 --> 0:02:49.327 is where the sides of your hair are kind of 0:02:49.447 --> 0:02:52.127 light shaved, and then it's a bit longer on top. 0:02:52.207 --> 0:02:53.447 It's a young people's. 0:02:53.087 --> 0:02:56.527 Haird like a really severe undercut. Yeah, and it goes 0:02:56.607 --> 0:02:58.127 high up past three years. 0:02:58.287 --> 0:03:02.487 He also had aviators on a leather biker jacket that 0:03:02.567 --> 0:03:06.127 he was wearing on his motorcycle the backpack, and he 0:03:06.207 --> 0:03:10.847 also had the slim fitted jeans. One tweet red, we 0:03:10.927 --> 0:03:14.687 are reaching levels of divorced never before seen by man, 0:03:15.327 --> 0:03:18.807 and another said the male mind forty eight hours after 0:03:18.807 --> 0:03:22.487 a breakup needs to be studied. There was also an 0:03:22.487 --> 0:03:26.487 imagined conversation between him and his barber where the barber says, 0:03:26.607 --> 0:03:28.847 what'll it be and he says, I'm getting a divorce 0:03:28.927 --> 0:03:31.887 and the barber says, say no more, and he gives 0:03:31.927 --> 0:03:33.927 him that haircut. 0:03:34.007 --> 0:03:36.847 Oh, it's so like, we shouldn't be laughing about somebody's heartbreak. 0:03:36.887 --> 0:03:40.687 But it's also so funny because why are not all men, 0:03:41.087 --> 0:03:45.207 some middle aged men just so predictable. Yes, we're breaking up, 0:03:45.647 --> 0:03:47.607 I really need a faux hook. Remember when he broke 0:03:47.687 --> 0:03:49.927 up with Jen Garner and he got that back tattoo 0:03:50.007 --> 0:03:52.007 that goes all the way from his neck right down 0:03:52.047 --> 0:03:52.567 to the bottom of. 0:03:52.567 --> 0:03:55.687 It, Like, and we're all predictable. Women get haircuts too, 0:03:55.767 --> 0:03:59.727 women get post divorce haircuts. But his haircut is very 0:03:59.767 --> 0:04:02.407 I mean I've seen it on dozens of men that 0:04:02.447 --> 0:04:05.767 are walking around going I'm single, I'm on the market. 0:04:05.847 --> 0:04:06.767 I've got my jacket on. 0:04:06.887 --> 0:04:09.847 I know someone quite well who got divorced in his 0:04:10.487 --> 0:04:16.007 early thirties. Same haircut or a motorcycles, it's a playbook. 0:04:16.247 --> 0:04:18.407 I think it's like an instinctive thing, you know, how 0:04:18.447 --> 0:04:23.047 like salmon instinctively know where to swim. It's not like, 0:04:23.127 --> 0:04:26.887 and this was many years ago before social media was 0:04:26.887 --> 0:04:30.127 a thing. I think they just instinctively know they like 0:04:30.207 --> 0:04:32.207 it out a flimming pigeon or a salmon. 0:04:32.287 --> 0:04:33.927 I need a motorbike under my legs. 0:04:34.127 --> 0:04:36.487 Yeah, I need a motorbike between my legs and I 0:04:36.527 --> 0:04:37.687 need a lot less hair. 0:04:45.167 --> 0:04:47.487 So this is Google search as for weird, it's up 0:04:47.487 --> 0:04:48.487 twenty two percent. 0:04:48.647 --> 0:04:50.087 My god, over the last week. 0:04:50.527 --> 0:04:53.807 Why the race for the presidential election in the US 0:04:53.927 --> 0:04:56.807 just got really weird in a good way? In case 0:04:56.847 --> 0:04:59.887 you missed it, Kamala Harris has picked her running mate. 0:04:59.887 --> 0:05:04.087 There's been a lot of contention, controversy, mystery about who 0:05:04.127 --> 0:05:07.927 she'd pick. It was between a couple of white guys, 0:05:08.167 --> 0:05:12.247 and she picked the one called Tim Walls. He is 0:05:12.287 --> 0:05:15.687 sixty years old. And if you said, Siri, show me 0:05:15.727 --> 0:05:19.767 a picture of a really kind grandpa, you would see 0:05:19.767 --> 0:05:21.127 a picture of Tim Walls. 0:05:21.207 --> 0:05:22.727 And he's not a grandpa, is he? 0:05:22.727 --> 0:05:24.927 He's not a grandpa. In fact, it's alarming for me 0:05:24.967 --> 0:05:26.727 to realize he's only a few years old. 0:05:26.727 --> 0:05:28.327 On me, I felt the same way. 0:05:28.167 --> 0:05:30.807 And I was like a grandma, So what are you know? 0:05:30.967 --> 0:05:34.687 It's interesting though, because Kamala is fifty nine and he's sixty, 0:05:34.727 --> 0:05:36.087 and you put them next to each other and it 0:05:36.167 --> 0:05:38.687 is very much like this is what sixty looks like 0:05:38.727 --> 0:05:40.727 for men and women. That's very different. 0:05:40.967 --> 0:05:44.447 They are contemporaries, but they look almost of slightly different generations. 0:05:44.727 --> 0:05:47.007 So why did she pick him. I'm so glad you 0:05:47.047 --> 0:05:51.927 asked few key reasons. The first is that he is 0:05:52.127 --> 0:05:55.487 going to be very good in appealing to Midwestern voters. 0:05:55.487 --> 0:05:57.407 So the swing states, which are the ones that in 0:05:57.447 --> 0:05:59.927 Australia we would call them marginal seats, the ones that 0:06:00.007 --> 0:06:03.807 the Democrats need to win to win government. They are 0:06:04.207 --> 0:06:08.127 rural states, Midwestern states like Pennsylvania. He is the Minnesota 0:06:08.407 --> 0:06:12.167 governor and he's very popular. Joined the army at seventeen. 0:06:12.607 --> 0:06:14.207 He was in the army for twenty four years, then 0:06:14.287 --> 0:06:18.167 he decided to become a teacher, retrained. He's been a 0:06:18.167 --> 0:06:22.007 longtime advocate for women's reproductive rights. He's also got some 0:06:22.047 --> 0:06:24.807 really great plucky dad vibes. There was a video that 0:06:24.847 --> 0:06:28.327 went viral in the last couple of weeks where he 0:06:28.367 --> 0:06:31.287 was at a state fair with his daughter. It shows 0:06:31.367 --> 0:06:33.527 him screaming on a ride called a slingshot, and then 0:06:33.567 --> 0:06:36.007 he's encouraging her to eat a corn dog and she's like, Dad, 0:06:36.047 --> 0:06:38.167 I can't, I'm a vegetarian, and he goes, we'll then 0:06:38.207 --> 0:06:42.407 have turkey. He's very funny. But the whole reason that 0:06:42.767 --> 0:06:45.087 he has shot to prominence. He went to the top 0:06:45.087 --> 0:06:48.047 of the leader board really fast. A few weeks ago, 0:06:48.167 --> 0:06:49.207 no one had even heard of him. 0:06:49.327 --> 0:06:52.287 No, I was hearing Shapiro. I was hit like a. 0:06:52.287 --> 0:06:55.207 Lot of people were saying Shapiro up to two days ago. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:55.207 --> 0:06:56.127 because Pennsylvania. 0:06:56.167 --> 0:06:59.567 As you said, yes, he is the governor of Pennsylvania. 0:06:59.647 --> 0:07:02.367 But the reason that Tim Woles came in out of 0:07:02.407 --> 0:07:04.327 nowhere to the top of the leader board was because 0:07:04.327 --> 0:07:08.927 he did an interview where he referred to JD. Vance, 0:07:08.967 --> 0:07:13.207 the new Republican vice presidential candidate, as weird. Here is 0:07:13.247 --> 0:07:15.567 a little bit of that interview. These are weird people 0:07:15.567 --> 0:07:16.207 on the other side. 0:07:16.247 --> 0:07:18.047 They want to take books away, they want to be 0:07:18.087 --> 0:07:19.127 in your exam rooms. 0:07:19.367 --> 0:07:20.567 That's what it comes down to it. 0:07:20.647 --> 0:07:22.127 Don't you know, get sugarcoating this. 0:07:22.407 --> 0:07:25.007 These are weird ideas. Listen to them speak. So after 0:07:25.047 --> 0:07:27.887 he did that interview, because you know, they've tried lots 0:07:27.927 --> 0:07:30.207 of different words. How do you describe Donald Trump and 0:07:30.287 --> 0:07:32.967 a threat to democracy and an existential threat and JD. 0:07:33.087 --> 0:07:36.247 Vance and conflicted felon, Yeah, all of those things. But 0:07:36.767 --> 0:07:41.167 weird was just a very down home way to describe 0:07:41.167 --> 0:07:42.847 some of his behavior. Like he talked about, you know, 0:07:42.927 --> 0:07:44.367 he hugs a flag and he goes I love a 0:07:44.367 --> 0:07:47.487 flag too, but it's a bit weird, like hugging a flag. 0:07:48.127 --> 0:07:51.567 That interview went viral and it was immediately picked up 0:07:51.607 --> 0:07:54.167 by other Democrats and clearly became part of their messaging 0:07:54.167 --> 0:07:57.127 because then you heard a whole lot of other Democratic 0:07:57.247 --> 0:08:01.727 candidates and governors and surrogates for Kamala using that word weird. 0:08:02.087 --> 0:08:04.727 Well, it's just weird, and every day it comes out 0:08:04.807 --> 0:08:07.567 Vance has done something more extreme, more weird. 0:08:07.607 --> 0:08:10.807 It's not just a weird stuff that he brings, it's 0:08:10.847 --> 0:08:12.927 that this leads to weird policy. 0:08:13.087 --> 0:08:15.487 We're using this fake living room to talk to you 0:08:15.567 --> 0:08:19.567 about a super weird idea from JD. 0:08:19.727 --> 0:08:21.887 Vance. So these guys are just weird. That's where they are. 0:08:22.447 --> 0:08:26.047 So fascist depend on fear. The fascist depend on us 0:08:26.087 --> 0:08:26.607 going back. 0:08:26.887 --> 0:08:27.327 But we're not. 0:08:27.327 --> 0:08:28.407 Afraid of weird people. 0:08:30.287 --> 0:08:33.207 We were a little bit creeped out, but we're not afraid. 0:08:34.447 --> 0:08:37.607 Holly, I want to ask you what do you think 0:08:37.647 --> 0:08:40.807 about the use of the word weird because Hillary Clinton, 0:08:40.887 --> 0:08:43.767 we know, kind of ended her campaign in some ways 0:08:43.807 --> 0:08:47.807 when she described Donald Trump supporters of a basket of deplorables, 0:08:48.207 --> 0:08:51.287 and that didn't go well for her, But weird seems 0:08:51.327 --> 0:08:53.607 to have had the opposite effect for Tim Wolls and 0:08:53.647 --> 0:08:54.367 the Democrats. 0:08:54.407 --> 0:08:57.847 Well, weird plays into our current vibe, which is the 0:08:57.847 --> 0:09:00.287 brat vibe, you know, which is all very like, oh, 0:09:00.367 --> 0:09:02.567 we're all just being a bit naughty and we're all 0:09:02.607 --> 0:09:04.447 just being very informal and we're having fun. And this 0:09:04.487 --> 0:09:05.807 is the TikTok collection, et cetera. 0:09:05.887 --> 0:09:08.527 Because deplorable is a very tricky word, and it's very 0:09:08.647 --> 0:09:09.687 weird word for that. 0:09:10.007 --> 0:09:12.927 And also he is right the kind of stuff that jd. 0:09:13.087 --> 0:09:16.007 Vance is talking about, you know, people with children should 0:09:16.007 --> 0:09:18.567 get more votes, you know, like it is weird. 0:09:18.727 --> 0:09:20.607 Where's the whole story about maybe he had. 0:09:20.447 --> 0:09:23.727 Sex maybe but you know, and which he didn't, which 0:09:23.767 --> 0:09:25.247 he didn't take story. 0:09:25.047 --> 0:09:27.447 If but he did, it would be weird in that 0:09:28.687 --> 0:09:31.327 don't spread fake news. Mia. In the interview that you're 0:09:31.367 --> 0:09:34.367 talking about, what he said that was really solid. 0:09:34.407 --> 0:09:36.687 He said, you know, there's something wrong with people when 0:09:36.727 --> 0:09:39.327 they talk about freedom, freedom to be in your bedroom, 0:09:39.487 --> 0:09:42.207 freedom being your zam room, freedom to tell your kids 0:09:42.207 --> 0:09:42.967 what they can read. 0:09:43.287 --> 0:09:44.287 That stuff is weird. 0:09:44.367 --> 0:09:47.247 He's right, it is weird and it's extreme. And there's 0:09:47.327 --> 0:09:51.567 no doubt that one of the biggest weapons for progressives 0:09:51.607 --> 0:09:55.087 here is the fact that a large proportion of MAGA people. 0:09:55.887 --> 0:09:58.367 Jd Vance is one of them want America to become 0:09:58.407 --> 0:10:03.047 an extreme religious state, right of conservative Christian state, and. 0:10:02.967 --> 0:10:05.247 That is weird, so that women have no right. 0:10:05.367 --> 0:10:07.887 Yeah, so this is a good word, right, but you know, 0:10:07.927 --> 0:10:10.807 the MEGA people think it's weird that there are people 0:10:10.807 --> 0:10:13.167 who are same sex attracted, and weird that some women 0:10:13.207 --> 0:10:16.047 want to use contraception, and weird that some people questioning 0:10:16.087 --> 0:10:19.447 their gender. The problem is, though, with weird, I really 0:10:19.487 --> 0:10:22.207 hope and I know that I'm not a highly paid 0:10:22.247 --> 0:10:24.887 democratic strategist, so what do I know. But I kind 0:10:24.927 --> 0:10:26.687 of hope that weird is a flash in the pan 0:10:26.847 --> 0:10:31.607 because is religious conviction weird? You know, is any behavior 0:10:31.647 --> 0:10:35.607 that you don't agree with or seems a bit unusual weird? 0:10:35.687 --> 0:10:37.567 You know, I would tell my kids not to call 0:10:37.687 --> 0:10:40.287 kids weird. My son gets called weird all the time, 0:10:40.447 --> 0:10:44.727 Like weird is different, weird stands out, weird is unusual. 0:10:45.287 --> 0:10:48.167 My personal feeling is about it is that it feels 0:10:48.167 --> 0:10:51.327 a bit negative and a bit name corely. But then 0:10:51.367 --> 0:10:54.487 also I'm aware that I'm being very gen x in 0:10:54.527 --> 0:10:57.327 that reading of it, because I'm sort of taking it 0:10:57.567 --> 0:10:58.887 quite seriously. 0:10:59.047 --> 0:11:03.087 No, I share that discomfort, and you just made me 0:11:03.127 --> 0:11:05.527 realize that it was because I got called weird at school, 0:11:05.647 --> 0:11:08.007 like it was an insult that was used. And there's 0:11:08.047 --> 0:11:12.527 something about that word that's still like it doesn't sit 0:11:12.647 --> 0:11:14.927 right with me. And I was thinking about what the 0:11:14.927 --> 0:11:18.167 word weird actually means, because it's a way of othering. 0:11:18.327 --> 0:11:20.527 It's a way of saying I'm normal and you're not. 0:11:21.167 --> 0:11:24.047 It's a way of saying you're not particularly bothered, like 0:11:24.127 --> 0:11:26.367 you're not ramped up, you're not losing it. 0:11:26.687 --> 0:11:28.167 And then this person isn't a threat. 0:11:28.367 --> 0:11:29.727 No, don't you think they're a bit weird? 0:11:29.807 --> 0:11:33.487 So excluding stigmatizing in a way, isn't it Jesse? 0:11:33.647 --> 0:11:36.807 Do you think that because you know how we've talked 0:11:36.847 --> 0:11:41.527 before about how the Trump attitude to politics is name calling. 0:11:41.727 --> 0:11:42.607 Yeah, they're weird. 0:11:42.767 --> 0:11:45.647 Jdvans likes to talk about normal people as opposed to 0:11:45.687 --> 0:11:48.447 non normal people. And we've talked before about whether or 0:11:48.527 --> 0:11:50.967 not you've got to fight fire with fire given all 0:11:50.967 --> 0:11:53.087 the things you're saying about weird, is this just an 0:11:53.127 --> 0:11:56.207 example of you know, the Democrats are playing Trump at 0:11:56.207 --> 0:11:57.847 his own game because it does seem to have really 0:11:57.847 --> 0:12:00.687 bothered him, and nobody's never called me weird. I'm a 0:12:00.687 --> 0:12:03.687 lot of things, but weird, I'm not, and I'm up front. 0:12:04.047 --> 0:12:05.567 And he is not either. 0:12:05.847 --> 0:12:08.687 I will tell you JD is not at all. 0:12:09.407 --> 0:12:09.807 They are. 0:12:11.287 --> 0:12:13.407 It does seem to have worked, but there is a 0:12:13.447 --> 0:12:17.887 distinction between what Clinton did with deplorables and what Walse's doing. 0:12:17.927 --> 0:12:20.167 And I watched every clip I could find of him 0:12:20.527 --> 0:12:23.167 using the word weird, and you will find that he 0:12:23.287 --> 0:12:27.767 is very, very clever. JD. Vance and Donald Trump are weird. 0:12:28.047 --> 0:12:32.087 He does not refer to their supporters to the party. 0:12:32.487 --> 0:12:34.127 He's gone out of his way to say a lot 0:12:34.127 --> 0:12:36.407 of Republicans are very fine people, and very fine people 0:12:37.087 --> 0:12:39.807 he's said JD. Vance and Donald Trump. What I think 0:12:39.847 --> 0:12:42.447 is interesting about it, and I know what you're saying, 0:12:42.887 --> 0:12:46.087 and I don't think it's something it might stick around. 0:12:46.607 --> 0:12:48.487 But what I like about it, and what I think 0:12:48.527 --> 0:12:54.847 the intention was, is to be very passive aggressive in 0:12:54.887 --> 0:12:57.407 a way. That's what's the worst thing you can do 0:12:58.447 --> 0:13:01.927 to a bully is laugh at them. I understand what 0:13:01.967 --> 0:13:04.327 you mean about. If someone is in a vulnerable position 0:13:04.607 --> 0:13:07.287 like a child, or it happens at school, someone's called weird, 0:13:07.327 --> 0:13:11.087 that's different because that's punching down This isn't punching down. 0:13:11.287 --> 0:13:14.087 This is almost like the Emperor's new clothes to go. 0:13:14.767 --> 0:13:17.047 They're saying all these things. They want a band contraception, 0:13:17.087 --> 0:13:18.967 they want to ban IVF, they want to burn books, 0:13:19.127 --> 0:13:23.607 they're hugging flags, They're you know, talking about women and cats. 0:13:24.327 --> 0:13:25.967 It's a bit weird. It's weird. 0:13:25.967 --> 0:13:29.767 It's weird, yeah, very cheesy, and it is right because 0:13:29.967 --> 0:13:31.727 weird because all they've got is this. 0:13:31.927 --> 0:13:34.367 Donald Trump and Jadie Vance are all about this thrusting 0:13:34.567 --> 0:13:38.447 version of masculinity. And if you try and match that 0:13:38.807 --> 0:13:42.047 with anger, but if you just kind of go the 0:13:42.047 --> 0:13:43.527 Empress wearing no clothes. 0:13:44.607 --> 0:13:47.527 And this seems to be Kamala's vibe, right because last 0:13:47.527 --> 0:13:52.367 week when Trump gave that disastrous interview at the Association 0:13:52.407 --> 0:13:55.367 of Black Journalists and he said that Kamala used to 0:13:55.367 --> 0:13:57.367 be Indian and then she decided she was black, and 0:13:57.407 --> 0:14:02.247 like just very very incendary stuff. She took the road 0:14:02.367 --> 0:14:05.967 that you're describing me. She just kind of went same 0:14:06.407 --> 0:14:11.207 old nonsense. She didn't go this is outrageous. I'm offended. 0:14:11.327 --> 0:14:13.247 Da da da dah, which she had every right to do. 0:14:13.287 --> 0:14:16.087 So let's be honest. It seems that this is the 0:14:16.127 --> 0:14:19.247 strategy is let's laugh at them, let's mock them, let's 0:14:19.327 --> 0:14:21.527 not get too furious about them. 0:14:21.807 --> 0:14:25.527 So they're making badges for the conference make America laugh again, 0:14:26.047 --> 0:14:29.087 because I think this is the mood. I really do. 0:14:29.287 --> 0:14:31.287 And I think that there's a thing on the internet 0:14:31.647 --> 0:14:35.407 if someone attacks you with very zen response is to say, 0:14:35.487 --> 0:14:36.687 why are you so obsessed with me? 0:14:36.927 --> 0:14:37.807 Yeah, and it. 0:14:37.967 --> 0:14:41.967 Just instead of going on and fighting back, you're just like, hey, 0:14:42.007 --> 0:14:43.487 are you so obsessed with me? And that's kind of 0:14:43.527 --> 0:14:44.647 what the weird thing is. 0:14:44.847 --> 0:14:46.967 What he's won as well is and I think there 0:14:47.047 --> 0:14:51.127 was probably some concern that the Harris campaign picked up 0:14:51.127 --> 0:14:55.447 a lot of momentum and was harnessed by the TikTok generation, 0:14:55.967 --> 0:15:00.367 who have an attention span of eleven seconds, and that 0:15:00.647 --> 0:15:04.047 passed very quickly. And what he managed to do that 0:15:04.087 --> 0:15:06.287 Democrats haven't managed to do in a very long time 0:15:06.887 --> 0:15:09.287 is harness the attention economy, which is also what this 0:15:09.407 --> 0:15:12.887 will be about. He is a brilliant interview like he 0:15:13.927 --> 0:15:17.887 thinks on his feet, He's not rehearsed, he's handed. He's 0:15:17.927 --> 0:15:20.007 a brilliant interview, which I think is a really good thing. 0:15:20.727 --> 0:15:22.967 The only other criticism I have is that he was 0:15:23.047 --> 0:15:26.687 at this rally or something and he was talking about JD. 0:15:26.847 --> 0:15:30.087 Vance and he said something like, I can't wait to 0:15:30.167 --> 0:15:33.087 debate him. That's if he can get up off the couch, 0:15:33.527 --> 0:15:36.847 and everyone started laughing because what he was referring to 0:15:37.487 --> 0:15:40.287 was the since deleted tweet with a fake quote from 0:15:40.367 --> 0:15:44.087 JD Vance's book that said that he performed some sexual 0:15:44.167 --> 0:15:48.727 act on a couch. When you've got the Republicans yelling 0:15:48.767 --> 0:15:53.647 about fake news and truth hangs in the balance, do 0:15:53.727 --> 0:15:55.167 we want to play this game? 0:15:55.287 --> 0:15:57.167 It was really interesting to watch that because I thought 0:15:57.167 --> 0:15:59.407 the exact same thing, and then I thought he also 0:15:59.487 --> 0:16:01.767 overegged it by going, see what I just did there, 0:16:02.007 --> 0:16:04.767 And you could see Kamla was standing in the background 0:16:04.807 --> 0:16:06.647 trying not to laugh but also shaking her head, and 0:16:06.927 --> 0:16:08.487 you just know that afterwards she'd go. 0:16:08.527 --> 0:16:11.007 Hey, nuh, wind it back, wind it back. 0:16:10.887 --> 0:16:12.527 Because even if you just said, if you can get 0:16:12.567 --> 0:16:14.447 off the couch, that would have been nod. But he 0:16:14.447 --> 0:16:16.967 should have just played it then really straight, and that 0:16:17.007 --> 0:16:19.247 would have been a nod to the people who knew. 0:16:19.727 --> 0:16:21.727 But I agree with you, Jesse. The thing is that 0:16:21.807 --> 0:16:25.327 I think that this guy authentic and genuine overused words 0:16:25.327 --> 0:16:27.847 you don't see them often in politics. But I don't 0:16:27.887 --> 0:16:30.687 think that he went I'm going to use this word. 0:16:30.727 --> 0:16:32.927 There was nothing strategic. He wasn't in the running for 0:16:33.047 --> 0:16:35.647 VP when he gave that interview and said weird, he 0:16:35.727 --> 0:16:39.727 really wasn't. He just spoke a truth, you know, spoke 0:16:39.767 --> 0:16:42.487 an unspoken thought, and he went on to develop it 0:16:42.527 --> 0:16:45.927 to say, I grew up in a Midwestern rural town, 0:16:47.047 --> 0:16:49.967 and the rules there are it's none of your business, 0:16:50.047 --> 0:16:53.327 like don't get into my kid's bedroom, and don't get 0:16:53.327 --> 0:16:56.167 into my sex life, don't get involved in my wife's 0:16:56.167 --> 0:16:58.967 health care, don't tell my daughter what contraception she can use. 0:16:59.207 --> 0:17:02.567 It's none of your business. And he really was able 0:17:02.607 --> 0:17:06.567 to articulate that on a level that Kamala Harris, as 0:17:06.607 --> 0:17:12.207 a West Coast liberal black woman, might feel a bit 0:17:12.287 --> 0:17:15.127 remote to those people. But when he said that, I 0:17:15.127 --> 0:17:17.127 think he compliments her really, really well. 0:17:17.287 --> 0:17:19.527 It'll be interesting to see because to your point, Jesse, 0:17:19.607 --> 0:17:24.727 about harnessing the attention economy, when Kamala was announced and 0:17:24.767 --> 0:17:27.327 the coconut and all of that exit and the brat, 0:17:27.487 --> 0:17:30.247 it was all organic and it's brilliant, and it seems 0:17:30.247 --> 0:17:32.927 that this has also been organic. They're weird, right, But 0:17:33.007 --> 0:17:35.647 if you're their campaign people, you are waiting for the 0:17:35.687 --> 0:17:37.047 next one of those moments. 0:17:36.807 --> 0:17:38.287 Right, because you want that next spike. 0:17:38.647 --> 0:17:41.727 And the danger is if you start trying to engineer them, yes, 0:17:41.767 --> 0:17:44.087 because as soon as you start trying to engineer them, Okay, 0:17:44.127 --> 0:17:47.047 we had coconut that was great, organic, and then we've 0:17:47.047 --> 0:17:50.807 got weird, what's next, That's where you can begin to 0:17:50.927 --> 0:17:53.887 really fall over your feet. So I hope they've got 0:17:53.887 --> 0:17:55.727 the smartest people around them who are going to be like, 0:17:55.847 --> 0:17:57.087 let's not try too. 0:17:56.967 --> 0:18:04.207 Hard to welcome the next vice president of the United States. 0:18:07.247 --> 0:18:10.167 Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop you Mum and Me 0:18:10.287 --> 0:18:12.767 Are Out Loud. Just for Mum and Me are subscribers. 0:18:13.087 --> 0:18:14.767 Follow the link in the show notes to get your 0:18:14.847 --> 0:18:17.247 daily dose ab out Loud and a big thank you 0:18:17.407 --> 0:18:30.447 to everyone who is already subscribed. Oh good vibes, great fight, 0:18:30.887 --> 0:18:31.287 what a. 0:18:31.247 --> 0:18:36.447 Great time friends. All is not well in the Olympic village. 0:18:36.447 --> 0:18:39.167 And I worry. I've been worrying, and I'll tell you why. 0:18:39.647 --> 0:18:44.087 A British swimmer named Adam Peaty said this week athletes 0:18:44.127 --> 0:18:47.967 have been finding worms in their food. Oh dear, he said, 0:18:48.047 --> 0:18:50.567 I like my fish and people are finding worms in 0:18:50.607 --> 0:18:53.247 the fish. It's just not good enough the standard. We're 0:18:53.287 --> 0:18:55.207 looking at the best of the best in the world, 0:18:55.287 --> 0:18:58.167 and we're not feeding them the best. Why would they 0:18:58.207 --> 0:19:00.047 be worms in the fish. I don't know a lot 0:19:00.087 --> 0:19:00.887 about food, but I. 0:19:00.887 --> 0:19:03.047 Don't know how you get worm in a fish. But 0:19:03.287 --> 0:19:05.607 I was thinking maybe, because you know how I mentioned 0:19:05.687 --> 0:19:08.527 that they've been trying to have more plant based, not 0:19:08.527 --> 0:19:13.327 maybe worms compost because some people sea worms as a 0:19:13.447 --> 0:19:15.887 source of protein. But I don't think that's what this is. 0:19:16.607 --> 0:19:20.247 I'm trying to give best intentions. I'm benifiting of the 0:19:20.287 --> 0:19:23.127 doubt really hard here for the Olympic village. 0:19:23.207 --> 0:19:25.647 Apparently the quality and quantity of the food isn't up 0:19:25.647 --> 0:19:28.567 to scratch. Sixty percent of all meals are meatless, with 0:19:28.607 --> 0:19:31.407 one third plant based. Pete says that there aren't enough 0:19:31.447 --> 0:19:33.927 protein options and the cues are out of control, with 0:19:34.047 --> 0:19:35.967 athletes waiting thirty minutes for a meal. 0:19:36.367 --> 0:19:40.407 Have they found the muffins, yes, muffins. Have they been awakated? 0:19:40.607 --> 0:19:42.807 It's interesting because in the pool they were saying like 0:19:42.847 --> 0:19:45.287 there weren't that many world records. It apparently it was 0:19:45.287 --> 0:19:47.247 like the depth of the pool, they said, But you know, 0:19:47.287 --> 0:19:49.727 maybe it's the worms too. Maybe people aren't their best. 0:19:50.207 --> 0:19:52.687 Apparently they also keep running out of eggs and chicken. 0:19:52.807 --> 0:19:55.447 And I know nothing about anything, but I feel like 0:19:55.447 --> 0:19:59.607 eggs and chicken are important for an athlete. Holly, your mate, 0:19:59.647 --> 0:20:02.447