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Speaker 1: These are the yeays of our lives. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: unentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found

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Speaker 1: Series of conversations on finding a life you love and

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Speaker 1: Lovely yighborhood, Welcome back to another dose of yeays of

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Speaker 1: our lives. We touched on Lunar New Year last week,

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Speaker 1: which I think will be absolutely fascinating given that we

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Speaker 1: So lovely, Francesca, Welcome to Cezza. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 4: I have been following along your podcast for a long time,

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Speaker 1: Oh stop, I've been following along your journey for so long.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, when I got the.

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Speaker 4: I my agent and email saying, oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so glad it's mutual.

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Speaker 1: Amazing our dogs have already met each other. This is

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Speaker 1: just I love match waiting to happen. So many people,

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Speaker 2: And absolutely it's only as an adult that you look

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Speaker 2: back at a lot of those I love that you said.

444
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Speaker 1: It's all the small things. It's not necessarily an overt

445
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,719
Speaker 1: thing that you can put it down to. But I

446
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: would spend so long suppressing the things that made me

447
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 1: seem different. Obviously, there's certain things we can't. I cannot

448
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: and my eyelids. I cannot change my complexion, my hair color,

449
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 1: but well I could I changed my hair color. I

450
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: would like put on a really boguan accent, like we

451
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: had a hambock.

452
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 3: You know.

453
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: My parents aren't Korean, but we did grow up celebrating

454
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: parts of our Korean identity.

455
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: But I would never talk about it at school.

456
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I want tip top white bread sandwiches

457
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: with vegimite. I do not want any rice anywhere near me.

458
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 1: Like you just shun everything that's interesting about you, because

459
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: as kids, we think difference is bad, and then it's

460
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: so interesting in any culture to see. As adults, we're

461
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: kind of like obsessed with the things that are culturally

462
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: beautiful about us and we want to learn more about it.

463
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: But as a kid, it's like embarrassing to have food

464
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: that smells or to be like, oh, my eyes, don't

465
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: do that makeup look? So I you know, just oh,

466
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: I have no boobs, Like there's just so many things

467
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, how hard did I try to

468
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: not be me?

469
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Speaker 4: I you, I mean it started with little remarks like

470
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Speaker 4: there was another girl in my year had the same

471
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 4: name as me, same first name as me, and there's

472
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Speaker 4: a lot of girls that have the same name 's

473
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 4: a Kate's, that's a Sophie's, but they would just be

474
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 4: called their name.

475
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: And this is always just like being almost that stuck

476
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: with me. But to differentiate us, and you know people

477
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 3: when people would talk about us, or boys would bring

478
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: it up, it was hot chesca and Asian cheska. That

479
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: was my es And you know, I don't think anyone

480
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: meant anything, you know, really malicious by it, but like

481
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: it just one of those things, you know, you're thirteen, fourteen,

482
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: fifteen year old that is like, oh my gosh, like

483
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: I'm being referred to the Asian, the Asian one. And

484
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: I just remember it affected me so so much and

485
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Speaker 3: to the point where, I mean I was pretty horrible.

486
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: But I remember wanting to change my last name from

487
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 3: pun to Haggety, which is my mom's last name, which

488
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: is in my last name, and because I just wanted

489
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Speaker 3: to disassociate with anything that made me Agian, because it

490
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: was almost like all Asians aren't cool. And I remember

491
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: I actually wasn't very good at maths growing up. It was.

492
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: From soup.

493
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 4: But I would like parade that around and try and

494
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: tell the boys or tell the girls like I'm not

495
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 4: even good at maths.

496
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: And it was yet again what you were saying.

497
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say, I'm not like the other you know, Asians.

498
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm Australian kind of thing.

499
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 4: And I remember, you know, little things like I'd hear

500
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: girls talking at school and they'd be like, oh, I

501
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 4: remember one one person once said to me, oh, my

502
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: mom doesn't want to go to Chatswood, which is like

503
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: quite a culturally diverse, like Chinese area somewhere in Sydney.

504
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 4: And she said, my mom doesn't want to go to

505
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: Chatswood because of all those smelly Asians and their smelly food.

506
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 4: And I was sitting in the group at the time,

507
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: and I remember she turned to me and she said, oh,

508
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: don't take a fence Chesca like.

509
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: You're not like them. We don't like put you in

510
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Speaker 3: that group. And that for me was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

511
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: like yes I'm.

512
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: Not yes that group.

513
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like that's horrible.

514
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I I don't know, it's funny. And then

515
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: as I got older and to look back on that,

516
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: I just can't believe how much I wanted to suppress

517
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: of my identity to fit in, whereas now I'm like, God,

518
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: my gosh, like, give me more of that culture.

519
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it makes you so interesting, it makes you

520
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: so different, and that's the bit that is your you know,

521
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: it's such a point of differentiation to celebrate now, but

522
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: it's so crazy how long I think a lot of

523
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: people spend totally dissociating with a big part of their

524
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: identity for that whole conforming kind of you know, to

525
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: just feel like you fit in. And I even remember,

526
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Speaker 1: particularly because I didn't have Asian parents, I was always

527
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: at pains like I had to bring it up all

528
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: the time for that same reason to be like, I'm

529
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: not one of those Asians. I'm like a different I'm

530
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: like an Australian Asian. So even at school, when it

531
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: came to choosing languages, I would choose non Asian languages

532
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: to study because I just thought if I studied that language,

533
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: they're going to think and you know, not many schools

534
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: offered Korean, so I was like, well, if I do Chinese,

535
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: they're going to think I'm Chinese, and they're going to

536
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: think that I grew up with it. So it looks

537
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: like I didn't, you know, make any effort to speak it,

538
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: because I already did. Or if I do Japanese, it

539
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: will be the same thing. And like those decisions that

540
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: I only now reflecting, like, oh my god, I can't

541
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: believe I even made decisions based on trying to pretend

542
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: that I wasn't Asian when I clearly I've done the

543
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: my DNA test or twenty three and meters or whatever

544
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: it was.

545
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: I thought there might be because I've adopted.

546
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: I was like, there's going to be some cool exotic

547
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: like corn of Venezuelan or something.

548
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: It was like.

549
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine percent East Asian, and then like

550
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 1: point one percent the other Asian, Like it was all Asian,

551
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: all the Asian continent, nothing anywhere else.

552
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, no.

553
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 5: Exotic surprises then, But it's just, yeah, it's so sad

554
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 5: that we spend so long and now we're like, God,

555
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 5: I wish I had really embraced those parts of me

556
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 5: when I was younger and just enjoyed them for all

557
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 5: this time.

558
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: But did your parents I obviously you know, I know

559
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 4: you're adopted, but did your parents try to instill some

560
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: of the Korean culture for you going up? And now

561
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: do you look back and think, thank god they did

562
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 4: some of that stuff because you probably have a bit

563
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: more retied Yeah.

564
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: I think they were very very open. I think because

565
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: we were dealing with looking different and having a different

566
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: family structure that on, like that was another layer of oh,

567
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: but your parents aren't your real parents, Like there was

568
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: another level of questions about being different. They were very

569
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: careful and great at being never pressuring us to accept

570
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: or reject anything. That was sort of like, if you're

571
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: really interested in your culture, we'll take you to Korean camp.

572
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: You can go to Korean school if you want to,

573
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: you can travel there. You know, we'll fly you whenever

574
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: you want, if you want to meet your birth parents,

575
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: if you don't want to, whatever your journey is, will

576
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: support you. And I think because there was no pressure

577
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: either way, and we did want to assimilate so much,

578
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: we probably didn't want to learn Korean. I didn't feel

579
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: like I identified with particularly in a Western versus Eastern.

580
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: Cross cultural adoption.

581
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: It's so different culturally that you can't identify, Like I

582
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: couldn't recognize myself in anything that I saw about Korea,

583
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: so I was just I just pushed it away for

584
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: so long. I'd kind of like put on the traditional

585
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: dress at you know, gatherings of a couple of families

586
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: that had Korean kids, but it was more like dress

587
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: ups rather than understanding what we.

588
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: Were actually doing.

589
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: And it's only later in life that now I'm like, oh,

590
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful culture. I've been backfall and you know,

591
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: voluntarily as an adult and appreciated it for what it is,

592
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: but also very much felt like a foreigner going there.

593
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: And if anyone comes up to me and speaks Korean,

594
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: that's so strange for me because I'm like, what, don't

595
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: you know I'm a bogus look in my face and

596
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, I forget my face.

597
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: Looks like you know.

598
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: It's just like it's a weird.

599
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: It's I sit in this strange universe. But I think

600
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: what's wonderful now is I think that's cool. When I

601
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: was a kid, I was like, that makes me the

602
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: biggest loser, so I have to overcompensate in every way.

603
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, no, that's a cool story, that's memorable,

604
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: that's different, it's interesting, but it just takes her long

605
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: for us all to get there.

606
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember something about that funny you know.

607
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: Obviously, growing up I was the Asian friend or whatever

608
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: it was. And then when I went to UNI, it

609
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: was the first time I was amongst the majority, and.

610
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: I thought I was part of the majority. I thought,

611
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I found my people. Look at all

612
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: these amazing Asian students and every class I would go

613
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: to them and be like, hi, I Francesco and introduce

614
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: myself and I'm Asian too, and they'd be like, oh, like,

615
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: where are you from? My big Australian They're like, oh nice,

616
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: and I'm like you're not. Usually everyone asks like, no,

617
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: where are you really from, and they'd be like Australian.

618
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 4: And I would try and hang out with the Asian

619
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: kids and they would be speaking Mandarin or Cantonese or Korean,

620
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: and I couldn't understand them, and so I wasn't part

621
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: of their groups. And so I was in this weird

622
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: spot at UNI where I wasn't with the other Western kids,

623
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: and I wasn't by the Asian clan, and I was

624
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: kind of that was the first time that I was

625
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 4: really I was kind of grieving, almost missing out on

626
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: more belonging fear, and I kind of wish that I

627
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: had weren't Mandarin growing up, or that I had tried

628
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: to understand my culture. It was a cultural shock, almost

629
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 4: not realizing that I didn't know as much as I

630
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: thought I did about my own history.

631
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

632
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people who are half Asian

633
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: and half European or Western or Caucasian do find it

634
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: easier to play up their Caucasian side when they're going

635
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: through that whole younger, to assimilate, try and be like

636
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: everyone else's face, and then regret it later when they're like, no.

637
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: I wish i'd learned the language. I wish i'd learn

638
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: the culture. I wish I'd taken that opportunity.

639
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: But it's all part of finding your identity right and

640
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: finding the balance in between. And it's so amazing that

641
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: as you've come around to kind of embracing this part

642
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: of your identity, you've also done so in a way

643
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: that's made history for visibility for people of Asian descent everywhere.

644
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: There'd never been a miss Universe Australia who had not

645
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: been Caucasian and not fitted a mold. And I think

646
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: the quote I've seen you quoted quite a few times

647
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, internationally, everyone has an idea of

648
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: what Miss Australia coming to that competition would look like.

649
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: And for the first time to see someone of Asian descent,

650
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: which is actually a really big portion of our population,

651
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: was jarring and new but so exciting. You were our

652
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: first winner of Asian descent. What did that feel like

653
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: for you?

654
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: Gosh, I get sort of goosebumps now because it meant

655
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: a lot to me. I mean, I don't know why

656
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 3: I'm getting emotional. It's so long ago, you know.

657
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: As I was saying before that, I was a shy

658
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: kid growing up and I never thought i'd see myself

659
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 4: in the media. I think a part of that comes

660
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Speaker 4: back to never seeing yourself reflected in mainstream media.

661
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Speaker 3: So when I became Universe.

662
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Speaker 4: Australia, even though you know, pageants may not be for everybody,

663
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Speaker 4: I remember having some beautiful messages from oh.

664
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Speaker 3: My God, oh my gosh, I love you.

665
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: It's just it's a lot, but it's a lot.

666
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I look back to those messages

667
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: from you know Asian family saying like my daughter has

668
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: someone now that represents them, you know, and like that

669
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Speaker 3: for me was why I get emotional.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love it.

671
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful because it is like one of the

672
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Speaker 1: first platforms that younger Asian girls could see someone doing

673
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: something that that And this is important as well. That

674
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Speaker 1: wasn't token the token Asian. You didn't get This is

675
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: going to sound I don't want anyone to take this

676
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: wrong way, But it wasn't you turning up in Harry

677
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: Potter as Cho Chang.

678
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, yes, that's right.

679
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Like you weren't cast in it because the character was Asian.

680
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: You were there because somebody wins Miss Universe Australia and

681
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: it happened to be you, and that's so significant.

682
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's why even like now I pinched

683
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: myself obviously doing what I'm doing with e and working

684
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: with all these amazing brands, I don't feel like, even

685
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: though I have heard people say, you know, you're only

686
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: there because you know, diversity is the flavor of the

687
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: month or whatever it is, I actually don't feel like

688
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: that's true. I feel like I'm therefore what I.

689
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Speaker 4: Can offer that it's an added bonus that I happen

690
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: to be, you know, Asian Australian, and in this climate,

691
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: I think that more presentation of that in mainstream media

692
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: is only going to be so beneficial to young kids

693
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: and even people who come to Australia now even now,

694
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: and I'm looking for someone to represent them because that

695
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: is what I wish I had growing up.

696
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I think sometimes tokenism is seeing I mean,

697
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Speaker 1: obviously it's not ideal. You ideally we would want tokenism

698
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: not to be the way that people get represented. But

699
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: I also do think, and it's probably a bit of

700
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: a controversial opinion, but I do think tokenism is the start.

701
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: It's having a token Asian in something is better than

702
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: not having an Asian and it's often just the first

703
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: step in a spectrum of things that needs to happen.

704
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: So even though it's not ideal, and sometimes I do

705
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: turn up at jobs where I clearly understand the role

706
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: that I'm playing, even though you know, sometimes you do

707
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: get asked like does that make you frustrated to be

708
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: the token Asian at certain things? And I'm like, once

709
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: upon a time, maybe, but now I'm like, well, it's

710
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: better than not being here, and at least this is

711
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: the first inner pathway to it becoming more normal than it,

712
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: to diversity becoming just rather than the trendy thing to do,

713
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: just the normal thing to do. And I think unfortunately

714
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: we do have to sit through a bit of the

715
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: tokenism phase. But it's got to be. If it's got

716
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: to be someone like I'm happy to wear that hat.

717
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say no, I don't want that

718
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: great opportunity, and then it's cutting off your nose despite

719
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: your face being like, mmm, I won't be your token.

720
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, hell, yes, I will be your token until

721
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't need to be your token, do you know

722
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I think some people get very

723
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: upset by token ism in and of itself, and I

724
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: might actually it can play a good role in a

725
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: spectrum of events, as.

726
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Speaker 2: Long as we don't stay there forever.

727
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

728
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: No, that's a really good point, the really valid point

729
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: you make. It's true, it does need to start from somewhere,

730
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 4: and yeah, if it is one initially I mean, not ideal,

731
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 4: but it means to start and then obviously, yeah, the

732
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: more we see it, I mean, I think a good

733
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: example is ten years ago on TV, you'd watch ads

734
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 4: and they might be the token Asian and now if

735
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: you flick, I mean I don't usually watch ads, but

736
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 4: when I was watching the Tennis, I was seeing a

737
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: lot of ads because it was free to air, and

738
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: I just noticed that almost every second ad, it wasn't

739
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: just a token Asian. There was you know, you could

740
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: see there was Indian, Asians, there was Chinese, so many

741
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: different cultural you know, diversities in each ad. And it

742
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: wasn't tokenism anymore. It was like six race families and everything.

743
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: And I feel like people now even will tell the

744
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: TV and that they're not even going to associate that

745
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: with like targeted marketing towards an Asian community.

746
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: It's just like that's Australia. Yeah.

747
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: And I feel like Hollywood is getting a lot better

748
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: at that as well. Like there's a lot of shows

749
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: coming out where Asian actors and actresses are headlining roles

750
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: that aren't for an Asian character, Like they're just a

751
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: character and then the actor of cast is Asian and

752
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: that and in any race actually, like the person just

753
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: happens to be of ex race, gender, sexuality, whatever happens

754
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: to me, you know, it's just I like that it's

755
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: really shifting and main characters like superhero characters as well.

756
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: That's so exciting as I'm.

757
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: A superhero fanatic. So like when I see like when

758
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Speaker 3: I watched the other day, I was like, oh my god.

759
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Yes, And so I imagine that embracing things like Lunar

760
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: New Year have gone from something that you wouldn't mention

761
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Speaker 1: at school, that you have your own New Year and

762
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: your family's doing all kinds of weird things for it

763
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: just something that you're celebrating and that's exciting and that

764
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: you you know, you you research and you understand and

765
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: that's just happened. Like Lunar New Year was last Tuesday night,

766
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Speaker 1: I think into Wednesday was New Year's and but the

767
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: whole kind of festival goes up until I think the

768
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Speaker 1: fifteenth of February, is.

769
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Speaker 3: That right, yes, for two weeks. Yeah.

770
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Speaker 1: So how has wrapped into the idea of you know,

771
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Speaker 1: tips for anyone listening who is struggling to embrace their uniqueness.

772
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Speaker 1: But starting on that journey, how have you to appreciate

773
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Speaker 1: celebrations like Lunar New Year and how does your family

774
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: celebrate it? What did you do this year? And how

775
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: can we understand a little bit more about you know

776
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Speaker 1: what the celebration means.

777
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean Chinese New Year or Lunar New Year,

778
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: which is now much more inclusive term. I mean, growing

779
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: up it was Chinese New Year for us, but now

780
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: it's you know, Lunar New Year, which I think is

781
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: really beautiful because it's not just the Chinese that celebrate it.

782
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: And it is it is.

783
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I try to liken it to our

784
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: New Year's ef but it's so so much more in

785
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: a way because it's all about it goes obviously for

786
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: two weeks and it's there's just such a buzz in

787
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: the air. It's all about like new life prosperity, unlike

788
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: sometimes New Year's I don't know, going for Australia is

789
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: all about with your friends, you know, it does.

790
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: A lot of prosperity going on there.

791
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: Lunar New Year is really about family.

792
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 4: For me growing up, that's what it was about as well,

793
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: so it's almost like Christmas, but growing up we celebrate

794
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: every Chinese New Year. Growing up, it was flew under

795
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 4: the radar. It was myself and my family and my

796
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: cousins and that sort of thing. And perhaps sometimes so

797
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: my mum and dad's friends that might have had a

798
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: tie to the Asian community.

799
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Speaker 3: We'd obviously get dressed up in our chogsums.

800
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: And we would go either to Chinatown or we go

801
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: to a Chinese restaurant and have the dragons, which scared

802
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: me half every year.

803
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: They're terrified, like the huge ones. Yeah the person is terrified, Yeah,

804
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: for a child.

805
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: Because it's so noisy.

806
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 4: Anyway, and obviously, you know, we would have red packets

807
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 4: given to us, which is a symbol of if the

808
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: best thing.

809
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: Ever so much money?

810
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: Okay, No, I have to say though, when I went

811
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Speaker 4: to Union met all of my Chinese friends, they told

812
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: me about how much money they used to get in

813
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: their red packets.

814
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: When I was going up, it was like maybe five dollars,

815
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: which I'm.

816
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: Not complaining, like the tooth Fairy, like the tooth Fairy.

817
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: But in China they say, no, it's like hundreds they

818
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: get given in these red packets from they are his uncles. Anyway,

819
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

820
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my Like, once I started to understand the whole, like,

821
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of the parts of being Asian

822
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: that are cool and just ignore the other bits kind

823
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: of thing, I went through that face. I was like,

824
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: I want a bloody red packet. Like, dude, I know

825
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: you guys aren't Asian, but like, give me a red

826
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: envelope please.

827
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this year, I've saved you on this year scale.

828
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I'll get five dollars too, and I'll be like, wow,

829
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, thanks babe.

830
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 4: But you know, like we would celebrate like that on

831
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 4: the weekend, and I remember coming to school on the

832
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Speaker 4: Monday and I would never bring it up with any

833
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: of my friends at school because one I didn't want

834
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: them to think that I was weird, and two they

835
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 4: the whole weekend would always pass without them even knowing

836
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: that it's in.

837
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: A new year.

838
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: It wasn't really something that was talked about all they

839
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Speaker 4: would see. Where As fast forward to now where I

840
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 4: last year, I celebrated Pluta New Year at Crown Sydney,

841
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: and I put up a lot of stuff on my

842
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 4: social media and it was sort of the first time

843
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 4: ever that I have publicized louta new Year. And I

844
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: can't believe it the reaction I received you from it,

845
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 4: and even now seeing all of the banners and the posters,

846
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: and like even when I drive around the street, you know,

847
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 4: everyone's got their lanterns up.

848
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: Like our house obviously has the lanterns up, but we've

849
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: always done that. And I don't know, just even having friends.

850
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Speaker 4: I mean, on Instagram, there's the Year of the Tiger

851
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: emoji thing.

852
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if I know it, and I get thinking.

853
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: Through it and I keep seeing all these people I

854
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: know posting about it, and honestly, like that blows me

855
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: away because it.

856
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: Was something that I never spoke about and it was

857
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: something that was reserved just for myself and my family,

858
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: and now it's something that celebrated amongst the wider Australian community,

859
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: non Asian community, which I think is so cool, and

860
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: I I think it's awesome.

861
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what was so cool.

862
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: I don't get it so so cool, and like the

863
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: amount of people that even know that it's the Year

864
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: of the Tiger, even small culture things like that that people.

865
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you're the Tiger.

866
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is this is wonderful, like that

867
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: people are and all kinds of communities, Like I feel

868
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: like more people are aware of when Greek Easter is,

869
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: Like people are getting more engaged in the diversity of

870
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: the communities around them, and like We have a Yah

871
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Yah who lives next door. Every Greek Easter, she brings

872
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: over extra lamp, Like, you know, you kind of like

873
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: it's beautiful when you can embrace someone else's culture, even

874
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: if it's not part of your own. So I love

875
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: that so much. And this year it's gone even further

876
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: to seeing mainstream outlets like Crown actually commissioning pieces to

877
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: further this like sharing of heritage and culture. So tell

878
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: us about their feature film and the activations that are

879
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: going on this year. Yeah.

880
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: So when I went down to Crown, we got to

881
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: shoot this amazing, you know, feature film, and oh, I

882
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 4: think I was actually just I was, first of all,

883
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 4: just tough to be involved with some of the other

884
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: people that were part of it, because like Sean Dong

885
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: for instance, like he's doing incredible work for you know,

886
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: immigrants and migrants, and I'm thinking, gosh, am I really

887
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 4: in the same league here?

888
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: Do you know if I should? Girl?

889
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: You are Miss Universe Australia.

890
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: Yes you needd that this is good? Great from my confidence.

891
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here to fan girl, you I validate you anytime.

892
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: No, But the film was just all about showing obviously

893
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 4: Melbourne has had such I mean out of every state,

894
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: I think you guys have had how the pandemic has

895
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: hit you unbelievably hard. And I know I've spoke to

896
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: a lot of my friends in Melbourne and everyone said

897
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: that the city is just trying to get back on

898
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: its feet and using Melbourne is such a vibrant, exciting,

899
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: culturally diverse, you know city. So the film is all

900
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: about you know how albums getting back on its feet

901
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: and celebrating the amazing things that the city has to offer,

902
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 4: which you know, and Crown, I think it's really great

903
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: that they are putting such an emphasis on Lunar New

904
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: Year and all.

905
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: The activations they believe they have. I mean, I'm not

906
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: there to see it, unfortunately, but I.

907
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: Will be going to Crown Sydney tomorrow night and I

908
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 4: will see all of you know, their festivities. But I

909
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: believe that Crown Melbourne have the roaming tigers, as in

910
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 4: not real tigers.

911
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: No, no, you know.

912
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: The Chinese New Year Tigers roaming, which I'm sure will

913
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: be very loud at the drums. And I believe they've

914
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: changed the whole atrium into a big lunar New Year activation.

915
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: So anyone in Melbourne go and check it out because

916
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: it's not just for the Asian community.

917
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: It's so cool.

918
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: They really put a lot of effort into making it

919
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: really interactive and like the whole I feel like when

920
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: you go into a venue that big and they've dedicated

921
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: it to lanterns and decorations, it just it's so infectious,

922
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: the energy that you get from, you know, being in.

923
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: An activation like that.

924
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: And I love that the filmmakers are also Melbourne based,

925
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: like they really you know, were supporting locals in producing

926
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: this whole thing as well. Yeah, and helping kind of

927
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, Melbournians.

928
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: I think I was the only ringing.

929
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: I think everybody in that film was Melbourne based and

930
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: I was the interloper.

931
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 3: To be honest, My mum is from Melbourne and grew

932
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: up Melbourne, so I'm technically half Melbourne.

933
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing.

934
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, anyone who is in Melbourne hating

935
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: to see the Lion and Drum Team show, I think

936
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: that's every day. On an Atrium staircase, there's a zodiac

937
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: and land in installation down the Grand staircase, which all

938
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: known from the logis and the brown leg big staircase

939
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: in the middle.

940
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: I think there are five of you in the film,

941
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: is that right?

942
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

943
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all Asian Australians with different backgrounds as a chef,

944
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: a lawyer, like all telling your story of growing up

945
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: Asian in Australia and what you know Lunar New Year means.

946
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: I think it's so such a beautiful dedication for you know,

947
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: really exciting festival.

948
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 3: Thank you well.

949
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: It would be remissively not to ask if you have

950
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: a quote as well, a quote of the Yave for

951
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: this episode that kind of either summarizes what you feel

952
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: about your experience as an Asian Australian, or is advice

953
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: or a tip or something for others to keep in

954
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: mind who might be experiencing, you know, grappling with their

955
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: identity and finding their place in the world. Is there

956
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: a quote that you feel represents that journey for you.

957
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 4: I am going to I'm not going to take credit

958
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: for this because it is.

959
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: Not my own quote.

960
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: None of mine are bague. Don't worry, I just recycle

961
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: other people's content.

962
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 4: But it is something that I think sums up everything

963
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: me talking about today, and that is the beauty of

964
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: the world lies in the diversity of its people.

965
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's perfect.

966
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that so much. And I mean, I

967
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: focus so much on in this show on the diversity

968
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: of pathway and how the world couldn't function if we

969
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: all had the same interests and disinterest but equally same culturally.

970
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: Like when you see even something and this is so silly,

971
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: I get triggered by the Olympics, Like everyone who listens

972
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: knows that any kind of big global event when nations

973
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: get together, I get really triggered and I just cry

974
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: for no reason. And then seeing their families get together

975
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: and people sort of go beyond cultural differences or language

976
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: barriers and just humanity connecting. When you see all different

977
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: skin colors and shapes and sizes, you just realize, like

978
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to all look like each other. It

979
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: is so beautiful that we don't. And I think that

980
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: goes past us sometimes because we often see the same

981
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: representation of beauty or perfection over and over again. But

982
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: the fact we can all have different skin shades is

983
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: and still like live in the same bodies and our

984
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: skin still does the same thing. Like it just blows

985
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: my mind.

986
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: It's so cool.

987
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, how boring would life be if

988
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 4: we all if we were were I know, see.

989
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: I can't speak, but we made it this far.

990
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: But boring would it be if we were all the same?

991
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: Honestly, I just I mean I put all my friends

992
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 4: and everything, and what I'd love in each of them

993
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 4: is what makes them different.

994
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: I don't like them because they all like the same

995
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: TV show. Gosh.

996
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, like the amount of arguments I have with

997
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 4: my friends over what we like in TV and books.

998
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: I mean, we couldn't be more different. So, you know,

999
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: a difference of opinion is interesting. Difference in appearance and

1000
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: cultural and culturally that is you know, it's what makes

1001
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 4: us interesting totally.

1002
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: There's so much richness in the world and that is

1003
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: a perfect seggie to my last question, which is about

1004
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: your recommendation. So the books and movies that you do

1005
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: like the ones that bring you ya. It doesn't have

1006
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: to be something recent or you just anything that brings

1007
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: you joy. It also doesn't have to be about cultural

1008
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: diversity or anything. Just anything that you love that makes

1009
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: you happy, that you reckon everyone else should have a

1010
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: read of.

1011
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: Well, I listened to.

1012
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: So I love reading and my goal for last year

1013
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 3: was to read as many books I could and good yeah,

1014
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's I read a lot for me.

1015
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure people a lot of other people read more,

1016
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: but I read thirty one books.

1017
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: That's a lot of Yeah, that's.

1018
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: It's a lot of books for me, especially like there

1019
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: some days when I did not put the book down.

1020
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 4: But sorry the un cheating though, because I thirty one

1021
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: was yesterday I finished.

1022
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: Okay, it still counts. Yeah, totally still counts.

1023
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: I never read Harry Potter, and so I funny that

1024
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: you brought up Harry Potter because I never read.

1025
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: It growing up.

1026
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 4: I was just like my brother was the exact same

1027
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 4: age as Harry when the movies came out, and my

1028
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: brother loved the books, and because he loved the books,

1029
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: I was.

1030
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: Like, we are Yeah.

1031
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: We're too different in no way. I'm reading the books

1032
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: that Josh loves.

1033
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: So I think he's my age. How old is he?

1034
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: Thirty thirty one?

1035
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like more similar in age. And like I

1036
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: think your year, your like year level just caught a

1037
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: bit of it being dorky rather than it being cool.

1038
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm like the prime like Twilight, like that

1039
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: was like I was Twilight.

1040
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I missed that boat. Yeah it's cool.

1041
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 3: It's just a generation. Yeah.

1042
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things that I've been meaning

1043
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 4: to read for so long and.

1044
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, I had just hadn't got

1045
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: around with.

1046
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 4: There's so many other books I wanted to read, and

1047
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: then recently I went, not, damn it, I'm going to

1048
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 4: read all the books anyway.

1049
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 3: Saved to say that, I obviously, you know, grab my

1050
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: brother's books. I read all seven two weeks and I've

1051
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: read Allso do.

1052
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: You understand the magic?

1053
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Are you?

1054
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: Like?

1055
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: Why how did I have a childhood without this?

1056
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: I do?

1057
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I love fantasy, so anything fantasy I am.

1058
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: I even more like fairies, God wins everything.

1059
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 3: But I love magic. It's all the books that I've

1060
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 3: always read.

1061
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: So I feel, you know, I'm not mad about it though,

1062
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 4: because you know when you say those tweets that you know,

1063
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: say if you could have one book that you could

1064
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: reads an adult and never have read before, like what

1065
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 4: would it be?

1066
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm getting all of this enjoyment of

1067
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: satisfaction that I keep, but I'm having it now and

1068
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: I'm like obsessed, and I'm like walking on the house

1069
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: and I'm like like I'm such a dog and my

1070
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: partner Nick's like, what are you saying?

1071
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and everyone else is like, babe, that

1072
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: is so like nineteen nine.

1073
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I catch up.

1074
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: I mean I literally just went online to see which

1075
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: house would I be in?

1076
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: Like that was so Gryffindor. For sure, I can reap

1077
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: the core. I don't know, you know what I think

1078
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: Raven Club.

1079
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: But I feel like, and I said this to someone

1080
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: else recently as well, because we obviously talked about Harry

1081
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: Conna more than the average podcast for some weird reason,

1082
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: because I'm obsessed with it, I feel like I would

1083
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: also be raven Claw, but I would tell the hat.

1084
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: But mate, I want to be in Gryffindor because that's

1085
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: a place to be. So I feel like i'd do

1086
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: a Harry and I'd be like, I know you want

1087
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: to put me there, but like, I want to be

1088
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: part of the action also.

1089
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: But Cedric was in Ravenclaw, so wasn't he not?

1090
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: No, he was in Gryffindor Cedric with Harry. No he wasn't.

1091
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: I had just read the book. Wait or really he

1092
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: was not in Gryffindor.

1093
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: I'm googling it right now.

1094
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, because he was the captain of.

1095
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh my god, he was in huffle Payes Hufflepuff. Yeah,

1096
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: but you would definitely not be in Hufflepath.

1097
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't be huffle Path.

1098
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: No, you're not like Woofty Wafty.

1099
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: No. But anyway, so that has been.

1100
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: I love how it's like serious business, exactly like the

1101
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: reason the dot points why you wouldn't be in ex house,

1102
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: but why you'd be in why it's serious business.

1103
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: But that is what I have been reading, and that

1104
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: has given me so many yays.

1105
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 4: You cannot and I because I've just finished it as

1106
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: of like a day ago, I feel so sad now.

1107
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: But now I have watched all the videos the movies.

1108
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: Again, Oh they're amazing. Also, if I had said that

1109
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: Chow Chang joke like seven days ago, you wouldn't have

1110
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: got it.

1111
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: No, this to be I know this is the thing.

1112
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: When you got it up, I was like, wow, we

1113
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: are we are on the same way.

1114
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: I Also, I can't even remember when I said this.

1115
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: I think it was in an episode that's come out already.

1116
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

1117
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: But sorry, guys listening, you're going to hear this joke

1118
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: not joke, but you're gonna hear this story twice. I

1119
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: had this intense belief at the time that I read

1120
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: it because I was of the age of Harry and

1121
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: his friends. When I heard the movies were coming out,

1122
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I am going to be Cho Chang,

1123
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: like I am going to exploit this is why I

1124
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: am Asian so I can fulfill that role, like this

1125
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: is why I was born and adopted to Australia so

1126
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: that I could speak English, so that I could do

1127
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: a Scottish accent and beat Cho Change and Harry Potter.

1128
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: And when they didn't call me up for the movie,

1129
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: even though I did an audition and wasn't an actress.

1130
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: I was so upset.

1131
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: I was like, Hello, I've been here since I read

1132
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: the book waiting for my call up. There are obviously

1133
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: no other Asian girls in the world at this exact age.

1134
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 2: Who's this obsessed with Harry Potter? How come you didn't

1135
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: pick me? I'm still upset.

1136
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: I still think you would have made a better show.

1137
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: Jack right, it's not Scottish, like I'm not based anywhere

1138
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: near there.

1139
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: But whatever, I will speak to the directors if I

1140
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: ever get them, you know, I'll be talking to.

1141
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: Them when a Australia Interviews them. Please have a word

1142
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: for me.

1143
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: I will do that for you.

1144
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: And also you just mentioned your partner Nick, and I

1145
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: forgot to ask about it.

1146
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: You just recently got engaged, Cort.

1147
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: I'm trying to share my ring now.

1148
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: But as we hopped onto this podcast earlier, you did

1149
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: ask me about the engagement and I looked down and

1150
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: realized I'm not wearing my ring and it's a constant

1151
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: all the time, but hopefully I will eventually.

1152
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: I mean, we're probably a long life together, so I

1153
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: better get.

1154
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: At some point there'll be a moment because I'm similar

1155
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: to you, not a big jewelry person, and found it.

1156
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: And also we were just talking about how we mainly

1157
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: shop at like Levisa and Diva and sports Girl for jelry,

1158
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: so we were like, whoa, this is not matching that.

1159
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: But there comes a moment when it flicks over to

1160
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: it feeling weird without you having it on, and then

1161
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: suddenly like it'll just click one day and then suddenly

1162
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: like I feel naked without it.

1163
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 2: It's so weird.

1164
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: It'll just happen and you never know when it's coming,

1165
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: and then it's like I feel nude.

1166
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: It's like my Apple Watch. Every time I don't put

1167
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 3: it on, I'm like, oh my god, I'm missing something.

1168
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, like you feel weird.

1169
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 3: I had a terrible watch, can so covering it up?

1170
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not small, They're not small. You'll have a

1171
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: ringtan soon too. You guys know you have you started

1172
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: making plans.

1173
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh, the wedding thing is like, oh my god, it is.

1174
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a lot.

1175
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I am trying to push for Nick

1176
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 4: to take the lead on the wedding planning.

1177
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm just not really fussed on a wedding personally, right,

1178
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 3: But I think he was like a wedding. My family

1179
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: would like a wedding, His family might like a wedding.

1180
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: Feel like they will be a wedding.

1181
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: At some point. Yeah, I'll have some input exactly.

1182
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think little we'll just maybe give it a

1183
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: year and see how we go.

1184
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got a fair baby.

1185
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: That's a lot, Seriously, I honestly we after we've just

1186
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 4: gotten engaged and then we got our puppy and it

1187
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: was Christmas and everyone up until that point a bit

1188
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 4: with me and maybe engaged for engaged for maybe about

1189
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 4: two three weeks. In that time, nobody stopped asking.

1190
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: Me about the wedding, the wedding, the wedding, the wedding,

1191
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't know, I don't know,

1192
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: so asking me. I got the puppy. Nobody has asked

1193
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 3: me really about it, and it's been the best thing ever.

1194
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: So I've decided that maybe strategic exactly.

1195
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 4: I don't have to keep getting fur babies that nobody

1196
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 4: asks me about the wedding.

1197
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: Or you should just have your wedding at like a

1198
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: puppy Like. I've got this weird goal sort of future

1199
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: thing that one day I will open a theme park

1200
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: called Golden retriever Land where if you're having a shit

1201
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: day you can just go and like lie in a

1202
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: pile of puppies. Like That's just something that I've decided

1203
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: is going to be so you can get married in

1204
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: like Vishla Land.

1205
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: Do you know that in Japan they actually have things

1206
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: called cat cafes.

1207
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: Yes, weird, but they have so Japanese, Yes I know.

1208
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: But they have other places as well that have kittens

1209
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: and puppies. And it's when you're feeling down.

1210
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: Or you just need, you go in and they just

1211
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: have puppies and kittens and they like jump all over

1212
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 4: you and dogs and everything. So it's absolutely doable, and

1213
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 4: I think you should do it, and I will one

1214
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 4: hundred percent back you because I would be there every day.

1215
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: Like it's going to be the neighborhood. It'll be like

1216
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: a neighborhood hangout for when you need a dose of ya,

1217
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: but in person. And I, yeah, I've just decided that

1218
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to do one day. I'm going

1219
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to be the puppy lady.

1220
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1221
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: And do you know also this is so random, but

1222
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: in Hong Kong for similar needs, when you're not when

1223
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: you're feeling down, but when you're feeling tired because the

1224
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: crazy hours they work, the hard party like they just

1225
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: not sleeping anytime. In Hong Kong, they have a bus

1226
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: for naps that just does a five hour loop and

1227
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: like tired students and work people can just get on

1228
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: the bus if they don't if they don't want to

1229
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: sleep on like a park bench, or they can't sleep

1230
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: in their office, and you can just sleep on there.

1231
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: You're kidding amazing, right, And that's one stereotype I can

1232
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: say from working in Asia, Asians fall asleep everywhere. They

1233
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: absolutely fall asleep at their desks.

1234
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: I have to say I think I did inherit.

1235
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's culturing or I don't know

1236
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 4: it's in our DNA, but I did inherit the ability

1237
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 4: to fall asleep absolutely anywhere anytime. I mean, like grow

1238
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: as did I Yeah, growing up, it was like my parents'

1239
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: favorite thing to do when we were at a restaurant,

1240
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 4: especially a Chinese restaurant, to put us under the table

1241
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: and we then have liked time, you know what I mean,

1242
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 4: Like my parents never led us to serve their life,

1243
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 4: so we got people and I sleep under the table,

1244
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 4: and in like the loudest restaurants we'd be at ours

1245
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 4: and you know pubs, I'd be under the table, sleeping

1246
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: on the floor.

1247
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: Reairly fine all the time. I can sleep. I can

1248
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: sleep those sitting.

1249
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: Up so can I. Oh my god. It's crazy.

1250
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: And we're a good experiment because we're like we're the

1251
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: perfect test of nature versus nurture because we don't know

1252
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: our genetics and everything really has to be either nurture,

1253
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: but if it didn't come from our parents, then it's nature.

1254
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's the genes because When I got

1255
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: to Hong Kong, I worked there for about a year.

1256
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: I was calling my nick every day and being like.

1257
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: It's true.

1258
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: Like they literally just head down on the desk, like

1259
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: put their fate, their hands down and then forehead's on

1260
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: hands and just sleep for their lunch break. And then

1261
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: by four months in he was like we'd faced time

1262
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: and he's like, what's that. I'm like, what my pillow?

1263
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: He's like on the floor in your office. I'm like, yeah,

1264
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: for my nap, and he's like, you've.

1265
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: Become one of them. I was like, yeah, I get it.

1266
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: It's awesome.

1267
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: Like they take really long lunch break for some reason,

1268
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: and like if you've got to work late, I might

1269
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: as well use that time. It only takes me fifteen minutes, tea.

1270
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep for forty five minutes.

1271
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: That is amazing. I need to go.

1272
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: It's great.

1273
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: Move to China or Asia or Hong Kong anywhere, and

1274
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: I think that sounds like my kind of lifestyle because

1275
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: I love a good nap in the middle of the day.

1276
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: Well, you can start the sleep bus in Australia. I'll

1277
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: start the puppy the puppy playdate thing and you start

1278
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: the Sleepy Bus and we've got it covered.

1279
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: Through medium.

1280
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I mean I don't even need this podcast anymore.

1281
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go buy some puppies.

1282
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: Sign Yeah.

1283
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: Thanks guys for joining us.

1284
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: Had a great journey and I love you all, but

1285
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm leaving for the puppies.

1286
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining Lovely.

1287
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what you continue to do

1288
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: with the amazing platform that you've grown and the audience

1289
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: that you've built and keep being just a wonderful role

1290
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: model for so many people.

1291
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 4: Thank you and you I think that this is a

1292
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 4: moment to say, like, you know, I look up to

1293
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: you as well in the industry, and it's nice to

1294
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 4: have a fellow Asian Australian you know that you kind

1295
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 4: of work alongside and.

1296
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: We haven't really had the opportunity to actually meet in person,

1297
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: but it's really beautiful to be able to connect like this.

1298
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh you too. It really means a lot and it's

1299
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: been just such a great conversation.

1300
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely