1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,094 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,214 --> 00:00:18,894 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,214 --> 00:00:25,414 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:25,454 --> 00:00:29,454 Speaker 3: news podcast, The Quickie. This week signaled another turn on 6 00:00:29,494 --> 00:00:32,854 Speaker 3: the world stage when it comes to the Israel Hamas conflict. 7 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:36,294 Speaker 3: Canada has now followed suit, along with the United Kingdom 8 00:00:36,374 --> 00:00:40,374 Speaker 3: and France, to move on recognizing a Palestinian state, but 9 00:00:40,894 --> 00:00:44,494 Speaker 3: not without conditions. So what does that mean for Australia? 10 00:00:44,694 --> 00:00:48,374 Speaker 3: Will we too join the call? Plus why your time 11 00:00:48,454 --> 00:00:52,334 Speaker 3: habits early, late or something in between might just be 12 00:00:52,454 --> 00:00:56,654 Speaker 3: your secret superpower. Before we get there, here's Talie Blackman 13 00:00:56,814 --> 00:01:00,094 Speaker 3: with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Friday, Augus one. 14 00:01:00,734 --> 00:01:03,654 Speaker 4: Thanks Taylor, a sixty one year old grandmother from New 15 00:01:03,694 --> 00:01:06,694 Speaker 4: South Wales is among the first Australians to receive a 16 00:01:06,734 --> 00:01:11,854 Speaker 4: breakthrough treatment for early Alzheimer's disease. Jenny Queering, a former nurse, 17 00:01:11,974 --> 00:01:15,294 Speaker 4: is now being treated with dnanamab, the first new Alzheimer's 18 00:01:15,374 --> 00:01:19,294 Speaker 4: drug approved in twenty five years. The medication, also known 19 00:01:19,334 --> 00:01:22,894 Speaker 4: as Cassunla, works by slowing the progression of the disease 20 00:01:22,974 --> 00:01:26,534 Speaker 4: in its early stages. Her husband James says it's probably 21 00:01:26,574 --> 00:01:29,454 Speaker 4: the first little bit of hope they've been given. The treatment, 22 00:01:29,494 --> 00:01:32,774 Speaker 4: delivered through monthly infusions, could cost up to one hundred 23 00:01:32,814 --> 00:01:36,494 Speaker 4: thousand dollars over eighteen months, but a government advisory panel 24 00:01:36,614 --> 00:01:39,854 Speaker 4: is considering whether to add it to the pharmaceutical benefit scheme. 25 00:01:40,174 --> 00:01:43,774 Speaker 4: Neurologist doctor Rowena Mobbs has described the drug as a 26 00:01:43,814 --> 00:01:46,934 Speaker 4: new age in Alzheimer's care, and Jenny hopes that means 27 00:01:46,974 --> 00:01:51,214 Speaker 4: more time with her children and fifteen grandchildren. The National 28 00:01:51,214 --> 00:01:55,094 Speaker 4: Student Ombudsman may launch a major review into how universities 29 00:01:55,094 --> 00:01:59,254 Speaker 4: in Australia handle gender based violence after receiving nearly twenty 30 00:01:59,334 --> 00:02:03,254 Speaker 4: two hundred student complaints in just six months. Sarah Bendel, 31 00:02:03,334 --> 00:02:06,334 Speaker 4: who leads the office, says five percent of complaints were 32 00:02:06,374 --> 00:02:09,854 Speaker 4: about gender based violence, but warns that number doesn't reflect 33 00:02:09,974 --> 00:02:12,614 Speaker 4: the true scale of the issue as many students are 34 00:02:12,654 --> 00:02:16,014 Speaker 4: afraid to come forward. The Ombardsmen were set up after 35 00:02:16,054 --> 00:02:20,854 Speaker 4: a parliamentary report criticized Australian universities for mishandling sexual assault 36 00:02:20,934 --> 00:02:24,854 Speaker 4: and harassment cases. According to the Ombudsman, more than half 37 00:02:24,934 --> 00:02:28,374 Speaker 4: of the complaints have now been resolved. Miss Bendall says 38 00:02:28,414 --> 00:02:33,014 Speaker 4: students often felt ignored by their universities. However, in one case, 39 00:02:33,094 --> 00:02:38,094 Speaker 4: a survivor has finally received an apology and action. Organizers 40 00:02:38,094 --> 00:02:41,054 Speaker 4: of a planned pro Palestine march across the Sydney Harbour 41 00:02:41,094 --> 00:02:43,374 Speaker 4: Bridge say they'll cross that bridge when they come to 42 00:02:43,454 --> 00:02:47,014 Speaker 4: it if a court blocks the protest. The Palestine Action 43 00:02:47,134 --> 00:02:50,134 Speaker 4: Group is seeking to march this Sunday in a protest 44 00:02:50,174 --> 00:02:53,774 Speaker 4: of what it calls deliberate mass starvation in Gaza. New 45 00:02:53,814 --> 00:02:56,814 Speaker 4: South Wales police will challenge the ralli's legality in the 46 00:02:56,814 --> 00:03:00,934 Speaker 4: Supreme Court on Friday. Organizer Joshua Lees says the protest 47 00:03:01,054 --> 00:03:05,054 Speaker 4: is unstoppable and has wide public support. However, Premier Chris 48 00:03:05,094 --> 00:03:08,974 Speaker 4: Mins opposes the march, warning Sydney would descend into chaos. 49 00:03:09,614 --> 00:03:13,294 Speaker 4: Israel denies it is blocking aid to Gaza, but humanitarian 50 00:03:13,334 --> 00:03:17,974 Speaker 4: groups report severe shortages of food, water, and medicine. Protests 51 00:03:17,974 --> 00:03:21,934 Speaker 4: have continued weekly across Australia since Israel's invasion. Following her 52 00:03:21,974 --> 00:03:26,894 Speaker 4: Mass's October seven attacks, more than fifty unions and advocacy groups, 53 00:03:26,974 --> 00:03:30,174 Speaker 4: including Human Rights Watch and the New South Wales Nurses 54 00:03:30,214 --> 00:03:33,694 Speaker 4: and midwives Association have urged the premier to protect the 55 00:03:33,814 --> 00:03:38,534 Speaker 4: right to protest. Meanwhile, pressure is building internationally. Canada has 56 00:03:38,614 --> 00:03:43,054 Speaker 4: joined France and the UK in recognizing Palestinian statehood. Prime 57 00:03:43,054 --> 00:03:47,054 Speaker 4: Minister Anthony Alberizi has stepped up criticism of Israel's conduct 58 00:03:47,134 --> 00:03:50,534 Speaker 4: in Gaza, but stopped short of recognition. The Court will 59 00:03:50,534 --> 00:03:53,814 Speaker 4: decide today whether the Sydney March can go ahead legally. 60 00:03:54,214 --> 00:03:58,334 Speaker 4: Protests say they're committed to peaceful demonstration regardless of the outcome. 61 00:03:59,174 --> 00:04:02,574 Speaker 4: Former US Vice President Kamala Harris will publish a memoir 62 00:04:02,614 --> 00:04:05,934 Speaker 4: on September twenty three, titled One hundred and seven Days, 63 00:04:06,294 --> 00:04:10,214 Speaker 4: reflecting on her brief but historic twenty twenty four presidential campaign. 64 00:04:10,574 --> 00:04:13,214 Speaker 4: The book, named after the length of her campaign, will 65 00:04:13,254 --> 00:04:16,014 Speaker 4: be released by Simon and Schuster, who describe it as 66 00:04:16,054 --> 00:04:19,814 Speaker 4: a page turning account offering behind the scenes insight. In 67 00:04:19,854 --> 00:04:22,574 Speaker 4: a video, Harris says she wrote the memoir with Canada 68 00:04:22,694 --> 00:04:26,974 Speaker 4: and reflection, sharing what she learned and witnessed. Harris led 69 00:04:26,974 --> 00:04:30,614 Speaker 4: the Democratic ticket after President Joe Biden stepped aside, but 70 00:04:30,694 --> 00:04:33,734 Speaker 4: she lost to Donald Trump in November. She has confirmed 71 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:37,054 Speaker 4: she will not run for California governor in twenty twenty six. 72 00:04:37,894 --> 00:04:41,734 Speaker 3: Thanks Charlie. Next, the latest push for Palestinian recognition and 73 00:04:41,894 --> 00:04:51,454 Speaker 3: what it means for Australia. This week, both the United 74 00:04:51,494 --> 00:04:54,854 Speaker 3: Kingdom and Canada have announced they will recognize Palestine as 75 00:04:54,894 --> 00:04:58,814 Speaker 3: a state at the UN General Assembly in September. That 76 00:04:58,814 --> 00:05:02,534 Speaker 3: that move doesn't come without conditions. If you're a little 77 00:05:02,574 --> 00:05:05,134 Speaker 3: lost or need a reminder of what else has happened 78 00:05:05,174 --> 00:05:08,254 Speaker 3: in news around Garza this week, we've been keeping you updated, 79 00:05:08,334 --> 00:05:11,294 Speaker 3: including with an episode just a few days ago, I'll 80 00:05:11,334 --> 00:05:13,054 Speaker 3: link in our show notes for you to get up 81 00:05:13,054 --> 00:05:17,054 Speaker 3: to speed. Back to the latest with the UK and 82 00:05:17,134 --> 00:05:20,974 Speaker 3: Canada that recognition from the two nations is conditional, so 83 00:05:21,334 --> 00:05:25,014 Speaker 3: what exactly are the strings attached? The UK Prime Minister 84 00:05:25,094 --> 00:05:29,694 Speaker 3: Kiir Starmer says recognition will happen unless Israel takes substantial 85 00:05:29,734 --> 00:05:33,054 Speaker 3: steps for peace, like agreeing to cease fire in Gaza, 86 00:05:33,214 --> 00:05:37,614 Speaker 3: opening humanitarian corridors, halting any new annexation of the West Bank, 87 00:05:38,094 --> 00:05:41,214 Speaker 3: and coming back to the negotiating table for a true 88 00:05:41,334 --> 00:05:46,374 Speaker 3: two state solution. Starma made it clear if Israel refuses, 89 00:05:46,694 --> 00:05:51,294 Speaker 3: UK recognition goes ahead in September. In the meantime, Britain 90 00:05:51,334 --> 00:05:55,134 Speaker 3: has quick distressed that Hermas must first hand back all hostages, 91 00:05:55,534 --> 00:06:00,014 Speaker 3: agreeing to disarm and play no part in Gaza's future government. 92 00:06:00,414 --> 00:06:03,494 Speaker 5: And will make an assessment in September on how further 93 00:06:03,574 --> 00:06:07,294 Speaker 5: parties have met these steps, but no one should have 94 00:06:07,334 --> 00:06:09,374 Speaker 5: a veto over our decision. 95 00:06:10,374 --> 00:06:14,214 Speaker 3: Canada's conditions are similar. Prime Minister Mark Karney says Canada's 96 00:06:14,254 --> 00:06:18,974 Speaker 3: recognition is predicated on the Palestinian authority delivering major reforms, 97 00:06:19,294 --> 00:06:22,734 Speaker 3: holding free elections in twenty twenty six, and committing to 98 00:06:22,774 --> 00:06:27,414 Speaker 3: a demilitarized future state now. Kari also condemned Israel for 99 00:06:27,454 --> 00:06:31,214 Speaker 3: allowing a catastrophe to unfold in Gaza, but repeated that 100 00:06:31,294 --> 00:06:35,974 Speaker 3: strong democratic Palestinian governance is non negotiable for recognition. 101 00:06:36,374 --> 00:06:40,334 Speaker 4: Canada will increase its efforts in supporting strong democratic governance 102 00:06:40,374 --> 00:06:43,214 Speaker 4: in Palestine and the contributions of its people to a 103 00:06:43,254 --> 00:06:45,414 Speaker 4: more peaceful and hopeful future. 104 00:06:46,134 --> 00:06:48,734 Speaker 3: So what does Israel say about all of this? Well, 105 00:06:48,814 --> 00:06:52,014 Speaker 3: the Israeli government has slammed the UK, France and Canada, 106 00:06:52,134 --> 00:06:56,174 Speaker 3: declaring their plans a reward for hamask that could undermine 107 00:06:56,174 --> 00:06:59,094 Speaker 3: efforts to free hostages and strike a cease fire deal. 108 00:06:59,774 --> 00:07:02,974 Speaker 3: State officials say these countries are sending the wrong message 109 00:07:03,014 --> 00:07:06,094 Speaker 3: by appearing to legitimize Hamas at a time of ongoing 110 00:07:06,134 --> 00:07:10,734 Speaker 3: conflict and immense suffering in Gaza. As For other major 111 00:07:10,774 --> 00:07:13,694 Speaker 3: players like the United States, who are a permanent member 112 00:07:13,694 --> 00:07:17,134 Speaker 3: of the UN Security Council with veto power, its position 113 00:07:17,214 --> 00:07:20,774 Speaker 3: carries extra weight. That's because for Palestinian statehood to gain 114 00:07:20,894 --> 00:07:25,174 Speaker 3: full UN membership, approval from the Security Council is required, 115 00:07:25,694 --> 00:07:28,454 Speaker 3: and right now the US President has gone on record 116 00:07:28,534 --> 00:07:32,734 Speaker 3: echoing Israel's line, warning that these recognition moves amount to 117 00:07:32,814 --> 00:07:35,934 Speaker 3: rewarding Hamas. In other words, even if a majority of 118 00:07:35,974 --> 00:07:39,534 Speaker 3: country supports statehood, the US can still block it, and 119 00:07:39,654 --> 00:07:41,854 Speaker 3: that makes it stance a decisive factor. 120 00:07:42,534 --> 00:07:45,134 Speaker 6: I've not had that camp, to be honest. 121 00:07:45,174 --> 00:07:47,014 Speaker 5: We'll let you know where we are, but I am 122 00:07:47,054 --> 00:07:49,254 Speaker 5: not in that camp because if you do that, you 123 00:07:49,374 --> 00:07:50,854 Speaker 5: really are rewarding Amas. 124 00:07:51,774 --> 00:07:55,054 Speaker 3: So where does Australia stand. While the Albanizer government says 125 00:07:55,134 --> 00:07:57,734 Speaker 3: it supports a two state solution and is open to 126 00:07:57,814 --> 00:08:02,694 Speaker 3: recognizing Palestine in the future, it hasn't officially committed, but frontbenchers, 127 00:08:02,974 --> 00:08:06,094 Speaker 3: including the Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who appeared on the ABC 128 00:08:06,254 --> 00:08:08,374 Speaker 3: this week, were quick to say this. 129 00:08:08,814 --> 00:08:11,974 Speaker 5: I think it's a matter of when, not if, Australia 130 00:08:12,054 --> 00:08:14,814 Speaker 5: recognizes a Palestinian state, but I don't want to put 131 00:08:14,814 --> 00:08:17,454 Speaker 5: a timeframe on it. It's been a long standing bipartisan 132 00:08:17,454 --> 00:08:20,774 Speaker 5: policy that we see a two state solution in that 133 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,814 Speaker 5: part of the Middle East. From my point of view, 134 00:08:24,094 --> 00:08:27,294 Speaker 5: that progress that is being made, that momentum that we're 135 00:08:27,294 --> 00:08:31,374 Speaker 5: seeing in the international community is welcome, but it's also conditional. 136 00:08:32,134 --> 00:08:34,214 Speaker 3: Now that's off the back of comments from the Foreign 137 00:08:34,254 --> 00:08:38,174 Speaker 3: Minister Pennywong earlier this week that certain conditions would need 138 00:08:38,214 --> 00:08:40,814 Speaker 3: to be met before Australia joins the likes of France 139 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:41,374 Speaker 3: and the UK. 140 00:08:42,454 --> 00:08:45,534 Speaker 2: We have to see from us demilitarized, we have to 141 00:08:45,574 --> 00:08:48,974 Speaker 2: see the hostages released. We need to see progress in 142 00:08:49,054 --> 00:08:52,894 Speaker 2: terms of the Palestinian authority and its moves to more 143 00:08:52,974 --> 00:08:55,054 Speaker 2: democratic and accountable governance. 144 00:08:55,854 --> 00:08:59,094 Speaker 3: So the big question remains, will Australia join this new 145 00:08:59,134 --> 00:09:01,654 Speaker 3: wave of recognition. To help us break it down, we 146 00:09:01,694 --> 00:09:05,654 Speaker 3: are joined by international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer. Okay, 147 00:09:05,694 --> 00:09:08,254 Speaker 3: jess let's start with the UK and Canada. They both 148 00:09:08,414 --> 00:09:12,334 Speaker 3: that they'll acknowledge a ptading in state from September. Some 149 00:09:12,414 --> 00:09:15,494 Speaker 3: people are calling this an ultimatum. Can you talk us 150 00:09:15,534 --> 00:09:18,094 Speaker 3: through what some of those conditions are that both of 151 00:09:18,094 --> 00:09:21,014 Speaker 3: these nations have put on their state recognition. 152 00:09:21,934 --> 00:09:22,134 Speaker 2: Yeah. 153 00:09:22,174 --> 00:09:24,854 Speaker 1: I do think this is really tricky because there's one 154 00:09:24,854 --> 00:09:29,414 Speaker 1: thing in the international arena, which is international recognition that 155 00:09:29,494 --> 00:09:32,614 Speaker 1: a state exists and has sovereignty, and that's a really 156 00:09:32,654 --> 00:09:39,054 Speaker 1: important part of states actually having nationhood. But then there 157 00:09:39,054 --> 00:09:42,734 Speaker 1: are the practical logistics, So does that state actually have 158 00:09:42,894 --> 00:09:46,134 Speaker 1: a clear territory, do they have a government that has 159 00:09:46,294 --> 00:09:50,054 Speaker 1: centralized control over that territory? Are the borders of that 160 00:09:50,214 --> 00:09:55,134 Speaker 1: territory also internationally recognized? Now, in practice this can often 161 00:09:55,174 --> 00:09:57,694 Speaker 1: be a little bit less clear on the ground. So 162 00:09:57,774 --> 00:10:00,094 Speaker 1: like there are states like, for example, Ukraine is currently 163 00:10:00,134 --> 00:10:02,414 Speaker 1: in a war with Russia. It has contested borders, but 164 00:10:02,454 --> 00:10:05,174 Speaker 1: it's still considered a sovereign state in the international arena. 165 00:10:05,694 --> 00:10:08,814 Speaker 1: Syria right now, there are chunks of Syrian territory that 166 00:10:08,814 --> 00:10:10,974 Speaker 1: are not under control role of the central government. It's 167 00:10:10,974 --> 00:10:13,934 Speaker 1: still considered a state in the international arena. So sometimes 168 00:10:13,934 --> 00:10:17,534 Speaker 1: on the ground things can be less clear than in theory. 169 00:10:18,174 --> 00:10:21,694 Speaker 1: But when we're looking at recognizing a state of Palestine, 170 00:10:22,174 --> 00:10:26,134 Speaker 1: these issues are very unclear. So even if Palestine were 171 00:10:26,214 --> 00:10:29,654 Speaker 1: to get full recognition, in the international arena, which basically 172 00:10:29,734 --> 00:10:34,094 Speaker 1: means having full membership of the United Nations. It still 173 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:38,614 Speaker 1: wouldn't be clear what is the territory that constitutes the 174 00:10:38,694 --> 00:10:40,934 Speaker 1: state of Palestine. And obviously this gets to the very 175 00:10:41,054 --> 00:10:46,614 Speaker 1: core of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel and Palestine. 176 00:10:47,134 --> 00:10:50,254 Speaker 1: What would constitute that territory, who would have control over 177 00:10:50,294 --> 00:10:54,134 Speaker 1: that territory, what would be the legitimate borders of that territory, 178 00:10:54,534 --> 00:10:59,374 Speaker 1: and how would they be controlled and maintained. So none 179 00:10:59,374 --> 00:11:01,534 Speaker 1: of that is clear, and all of those elements would 180 00:11:01,534 --> 00:11:06,414 Speaker 1: be fundamental to actually there being in practical terms a 181 00:11:06,494 --> 00:11:09,374 Speaker 1: state of Palestine. And the issue with that is that 182 00:11:09,894 --> 00:11:12,974 Speaker 1: those issues around territorial control and borders get to the 183 00:11:13,054 --> 00:11:15,934 Speaker 1: very heart of the conflict and the very tricky issues 184 00:11:16,574 --> 00:11:20,374 Speaker 1: and matters of governance, which would be very hard to 185 00:11:20,414 --> 00:11:23,054 Speaker 1: resolve and would take a long time, and would involve 186 00:11:23,454 --> 00:11:28,614 Speaker 1: the Palestinian authority, would involve other governance groups within Palestine, 187 00:11:28,974 --> 00:11:31,414 Speaker 1: but then also would need some kind of recognition from 188 00:11:31,454 --> 00:11:33,454 Speaker 1: Israel as well in order for that to take place 189 00:11:33,494 --> 00:11:34,254 Speaker 1: in practice. 190 00:11:34,374 --> 00:11:37,134 Speaker 3: So those three countries have said they'll recognize a Palestine 191 00:11:37,174 --> 00:11:40,574 Speaker 3: state from September. Obviously, the UN General Assembly happens in 192 00:11:40,574 --> 00:11:43,054 Speaker 3: the September, There'll be a meeting of all of those nations. 193 00:11:43,374 --> 00:11:46,414 Speaker 3: What happens if Israel meets their demands before then, if 194 00:11:46,454 --> 00:11:51,334 Speaker 3: the humanitarian conditions are lifted, does that mean that this 195 00:11:51,414 --> 00:11:52,854 Speaker 3: recognition has been off the table? 196 00:11:53,574 --> 00:11:57,134 Speaker 1: That's right, So apparently according to what some countries said, 197 00:11:57,134 --> 00:11:59,894 Speaker 1: So it seems like France would recognize Palestine in any case. 198 00:12:00,294 --> 00:12:02,534 Speaker 1: For the UK, it seems like then they might back 199 00:12:02,574 --> 00:12:05,374 Speaker 1: down from recognizing a state of Palestine, which would again 200 00:12:05,734 --> 00:12:09,094 Speaker 1: be a very strange way to use recognition of statehood 201 00:12:09,094 --> 00:12:13,854 Speaker 1: as almost like leverage in negotiations with another country. Canada 202 00:12:13,974 --> 00:12:18,494 Speaker 1: might still recognize a state of Palestine, saying that as 203 00:12:18,574 --> 00:12:21,614 Speaker 1: long as these conditions on the ground are met, As 204 00:12:21,654 --> 00:12:25,774 Speaker 1: you mentioned holding elections, there being some parameters around governance 205 00:12:25,774 --> 00:12:28,454 Speaker 1: structures within what would be a state of Palestine. 206 00:12:28,494 --> 00:12:30,254 Speaker 6: So for Canada they might still go ahead. 207 00:12:30,454 --> 00:12:33,174 Speaker 1: But it seems like the UK would back down if 208 00:12:33,254 --> 00:12:38,134 Speaker 1: there was a really substantial resolution to the humanitarian crisis 209 00:12:38,254 --> 00:12:38,854 Speaker 1: in Gaza. 210 00:12:39,814 --> 00:12:41,174 Speaker 3: Just does it feel like a bit of a tall 211 00:12:41,334 --> 00:12:44,974 Speaker 3: order to insist that Palestine hold general elections next year 212 00:12:45,094 --> 00:12:47,614 Speaker 3: given the current situation on the ground. The images and 213 00:12:47,654 --> 00:12:50,094 Speaker 3: the reporting that we're seeing from that area. 214 00:12:50,894 --> 00:12:53,534 Speaker 1: So I think there are a lot of security and 215 00:12:53,654 --> 00:12:57,374 Speaker 1: governance issues that have not been resolved if we're talking 216 00:12:57,374 --> 00:13:00,214 Speaker 1: about a state of Palestine. So first of all, the 217 00:13:00,214 --> 00:13:02,814 Speaker 1: fact that it's just not clear exactly what that territory 218 00:13:02,814 --> 00:13:05,654 Speaker 1: would be. I mean, the Gaza Strip is physically separated 219 00:13:05,694 --> 00:13:08,774 Speaker 1: from territories of the West Bank, and within the West 220 00:13:08,774 --> 00:13:11,774 Speaker 1: Bank there are some areas under Israeli military control, some 221 00:13:11,814 --> 00:13:14,974 Speaker 1: areas under the full control of the Palestinian authority. But 222 00:13:15,014 --> 00:13:20,894 Speaker 1: there's no one clear, agreed upon territory that would constitute 223 00:13:20,974 --> 00:13:23,814 Speaker 1: the state of Palestine. So I think that would need 224 00:13:23,854 --> 00:13:27,654 Speaker 1: to be decided first before you could talk about holding 225 00:13:27,694 --> 00:13:30,774 Speaker 1: elections or even talk about governance structures. I mean, in 226 00:13:30,814 --> 00:13:33,254 Speaker 1: the past, there's been one governance structure in the Gaza 227 00:13:33,254 --> 00:13:34,934 Speaker 1: Strip and a different one in the West Bank, which 228 00:13:34,974 --> 00:13:37,734 Speaker 1: was the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas 229 00:13:37,814 --> 00:13:40,374 Speaker 1: in Gaza. So even if Hummas is no longer going 230 00:13:40,414 --> 00:13:43,174 Speaker 1: to have a place in governance structures, the question still 231 00:13:43,214 --> 00:13:47,454 Speaker 1: remains open. Who would control the Gaza Strip, what would 232 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:50,894 Speaker 1: the governance look like? Would elections be appropriate? But first 233 00:13:50,974 --> 00:13:53,814 Speaker 1: of all, the territory and the population would need to 234 00:13:53,854 --> 00:13:55,814 Speaker 1: be stabilized and determined. 235 00:13:56,294 --> 00:13:58,934 Speaker 3: So earlier this week kir Starma announced that Britain will 236 00:13:58,974 --> 00:14:02,494 Speaker 3: recognize Palestine. Attention then naturally turned towards what we're going 237 00:14:02,534 --> 00:14:05,054 Speaker 3: to do here in Australia. We started to get that 238 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:09,854 Speaker 3: line from parliamentarians that it's a question of when and 239 00:14:09,934 --> 00:14:12,814 Speaker 3: not if. Do you think that that's still the sentiment 240 00:14:12,854 --> 00:14:15,814 Speaker 3: after seeing Canada also joining this move for recognition, that 241 00:14:15,854 --> 00:14:17,734 Speaker 3: Australia maybe won't be far behind. 242 00:14:18,334 --> 00:14:20,494 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Australian government has definitely said that they 243 00:14:20,574 --> 00:14:22,654 Speaker 1: support ultimately two states. 244 00:14:23,054 --> 00:14:25,014 Speaker 6: Now in order for ultimately. 245 00:14:24,574 --> 00:14:26,934 Speaker 1: There to be two states, a state of Israel the 246 00:14:26,974 --> 00:14:29,534 Speaker 1: state of Palestine, at some point a state of Palestine 247 00:14:29,574 --> 00:14:31,134 Speaker 1: would need to be recognized. 248 00:14:31,174 --> 00:14:32,974 Speaker 6: That's implicit in that statement. 249 00:14:33,494 --> 00:14:36,094 Speaker 1: So I can see the logic of saying it's a 250 00:14:36,134 --> 00:14:38,854 Speaker 1: matter of when, not if, because if ultimately there are 251 00:14:38,894 --> 00:14:41,014 Speaker 1: going to be two states, then both states need to 252 00:14:41,054 --> 00:14:44,334 Speaker 1: be recognized in the international arena. I think that for 253 00:14:44,414 --> 00:14:48,814 Speaker 1: Australia more specifically, what I would see our government doing 254 00:14:49,094 --> 00:14:54,334 Speaker 1: is following the lead of our European and North American partners. 255 00:14:54,374 --> 00:14:58,934 Speaker 1: So if prominent countries, strong countries in the international arena 256 00:14:59,294 --> 00:15:02,254 Speaker 1: like France, the UK and Canada all do go ahead 257 00:15:02,254 --> 00:15:04,774 Speaker 1: in September and recognize the state of Palestine, then I 258 00:15:04,854 --> 00:15:08,254 Speaker 1: could imagine that Australia might follow suit, but I don't 259 00:15:08,334 --> 00:15:13,094 Speaker 1: see US leading on that recognition internationally. I think the 260 00:15:13,134 --> 00:15:15,774 Speaker 1: government is trying to be relatively cautious and I think 261 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:19,094 Speaker 1: that if, for example, the UK were to back down 262 00:15:19,134 --> 00:15:21,694 Speaker 1: from that, if Canada were to back down, then I 263 00:15:21,694 --> 00:15:24,694 Speaker 1: think that Australia probably also would not recognize the state 264 00:15:24,734 --> 00:15:26,174 Speaker 1: of Palestine in September. 265 00:15:32,534 --> 00:15:36,214 Speaker 3: Are you the friend who's always fifteen minutes early or 266 00:15:36,334 --> 00:15:39,574 Speaker 3: always flying in a last second. It turns out this 267 00:15:39,774 --> 00:15:43,054 Speaker 3: isn't just about good or bad habits, it's about having 268 00:15:43,254 --> 00:15:44,734 Speaker 3: a time personality. 269 00:15:45,494 --> 00:15:45,654 Speaker 6: Now. 270 00:15:45,654 --> 00:15:48,174 Speaker 3: According to new research, most of us fall into one 271 00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:53,254 Speaker 3: of two camps. Monochronic types see time like a train schedule, structured, 272 00:15:53,414 --> 00:15:56,894 Speaker 3: linear and ticking off one task at a time. Think 273 00:15:57,054 --> 00:15:59,894 Speaker 3: like that friend who arrives at nine forty five for 274 00:16:00,014 --> 00:16:03,694 Speaker 3: a ten am meeting just in case something goes wrong. 275 00:16:04,974 --> 00:16:08,734 Speaker 3: Then there are polychronic types, where time is flexible and 276 00:16:08,854 --> 00:16:12,454 Speaker 3: fluid and sometimes a little bit vibe based. They see 277 00:16:12,494 --> 00:16:16,894 Speaker 3: deadlines as well guidelines. They believe they can multitask endlessly 278 00:16:17,174 --> 00:16:21,014 Speaker 3: and never panic if dinner runs late, and just reading 279 00:16:21,054 --> 00:16:25,014 Speaker 3: that makes my little mono heart palpitate. The clash between 280 00:16:25,014 --> 00:16:28,134 Speaker 3: monos and pollys can feel personal, but it's really a 281 00:16:28,174 --> 00:16:32,854 Speaker 3: difference in wiring, not respect or effort. Some people are hybrids, 282 00:16:32,894 --> 00:16:35,654 Speaker 3: part plan are part freestyler, and they kind of like 283 00:16:35,694 --> 00:16:40,574 Speaker 3: the unicorns of time management. I guess you would call them. Okay, 284 00:16:40,614 --> 00:16:43,574 Speaker 3: So the good news is, once you know your time type, 285 00:16:43,694 --> 00:16:46,414 Speaker 3: you can stop trying to fit into someone else's structure 286 00:16:46,894 --> 00:16:50,654 Speaker 3: and start working with your natural groove. Next time you're 287 00:16:50,694 --> 00:16:53,734 Speaker 3: mad because someone's five minutes away but they're actually still 288 00:16:53,734 --> 00:16:56,574 Speaker 3: in the shower, just take a breath. You're on different 289 00:16:56,614 --> 00:17:00,214 Speaker 3: time frequencies, whether you live by the clock or by 290 00:17:00,254 --> 00:17:03,454 Speaker 3: the sprint. Having a time personality can help you plan, 291 00:17:03,894 --> 00:17:07,294 Speaker 3: lower stress, and even communicate better at work, with your 292 00:17:07,294 --> 00:17:10,974 Speaker 3: friends or in your family. So go easy on your 293 00:17:11,014 --> 00:17:14,694 Speaker 3: polar opposite. They just run on a different schedule. Taking 294 00:17:14,694 --> 00:17:17,934 Speaker 3: your time personality into account, consider how it can be 295 00:17:17,974 --> 00:17:21,294 Speaker 3: applied in the office. Don't worry, I promise this isn't homework. 296 00:17:21,734 --> 00:17:24,334 Speaker 3: Our friends over on the Bizz podcast have already looked 297 00:17:24,334 --> 00:17:27,054 Speaker 3: into this very topic. I will link their episode for 298 00:17:27,134 --> 00:17:30,294 Speaker 3: you in the show notes. Thanks for taking some time 299 00:17:30,334 --> 00:17:32,814 Speaker 3: to feed your mind today. The Quikie is produced by 300 00:17:32,854 --> 00:17:36,934 Speaker 3: me Table Strano and Tali Blackman, with audio production by 301 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:37,494 Speaker 3: Lou Hill