1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: You know, there's no You choose a path and you 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: have to stay on that path. Like I think those 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: powers are very windy. Sometimes even have a you turn 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: right because I think there can be times in your 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: life where maybe I passed up a great decision, you know, 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: because it just wasn't the right time, where there was 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: something else unrelated that just wasn't going to fall into place. So, 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to give yourself a 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a break. Sometimes things will work out 10 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: and be the right time, and sometimes they just want. 11 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 3: rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work, then 14 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: we rest, but rarely we play and often don't realize 15 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: there's more than one way. So this is a platform 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 3: to hear and explore the stories of those who found 17 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: lives They adore, the good, bad and ugly, The best 18 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: and worst day will bear all the facets of seizing 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: a lawyer turned funentrepreneurs who swapped the suits and heels 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: to co found matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. 22 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: Seize the Yea is a series of conversations on finding 23 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello, lovely neighborhood, and 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: happy International Women's Day. It is one of my favorite 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: days of the year. Well, of course, our scals deserve 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: to be celebrated every single day. We shouldn't need just 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: one day marked in the calendar. I still love the 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: way that having an actual day set aside encourages really 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: amazing conversations, gatherings and events, public displays of support for 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: each other, for each other's work, for each other's businesses, 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: for everything, and even just telling someone in your closed 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: circle that you love and appreciate having them in your life. 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: I'll never say no to an excuse to do more 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: of that, And this year it's meant even more to 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: me as I kind of tippytoe right on the doorstep 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: of motherhood in this last couple of weeks. Oh my god, 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: that is so wild that there's only a couple of 39 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: weeks to go. I've always been a raging feminist, but 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: I've never had more appreciation for the strength and resilience 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: of women than experiencing pregnancy, and that's before our little 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: baby has even arrived. We are just so fierce and 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: powerful and pure magic really, and even more so when 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: we unite together. So Happy International Women's Day to you all. 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: Happy International Women's Week. I know the celebrations are extending 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: throughout the week, the month again it should be the year. 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: But also to all the allies who love and support 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: the women in their lives, because having male feminists around 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: is equally as important to unite for the cause of 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: pushing women further along. You might have seen we've already 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: dropped a chaotic Kios of our Lives episode just a 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: couple of days ago that we ended up spontaneously live streaming. 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: But I'm following that up today with a special guest 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: for the occasion, patching in from Stateside. As you know, 55 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: Nick and I have been lucky to partner with the 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: incredible team at SunPower and have had the most amazing 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: transition to solar energy, and today we have their chiefly 58 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: and sustainability officer on the show, Lindsay Weedman. Not only 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: does she have a fascinating, twisting and turning, unpredictable way 60 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: to ya. As you know, we love from a Bachelor 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: of Science, originally to then a postcrid in law, to 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: then project finance in a corporate law firm before moving 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: into her current role, which is completely different. She also 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: has some fascinating insights on life as a woman in 65 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: the traditionally male dominated energy sector, which I'm sure many 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: of you will identify with working in male dominated environments 67 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: and forging away as a woman. I'll let her tell 68 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: you the rest herself, but I hope you enjoy as 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: much as I did. 70 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: Lindsay, Welcome to Ceza. Thank you, thank you Sarah for 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: having me. It's a real treat. 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for joining. And we have 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: already proven that we love technology. We are so agile. 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: It's taken us a few false starts. But where there's 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: a will, there's a way. We will see thee today. 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: So it always absolutely well. We are so incredibly lucky 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: to have you here, and there's so much material to 78 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: cover today. But as our listeners know, and I mentioned 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: to you quickly, I love to before getting into anything 80 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: really juicy, well I guess this is the juicy bart. 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: But before we get to sort of sustainability and solar 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: power and all the million questions that I have for 83 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: you to draw on your expertise. I love to go 84 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: back to the very beginning and work out how you 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: even got to this position of expertise and what you 86 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: were like as a child. And I think the pathway 87 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 2: is a bit we skate over so often, but people 88 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: who were maybe earlier on in their journey or don't 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: know where they want to end up, hearing how you 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: got there is often kind of the most inspiring and 91 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: exciting thing. So can you take us back to maybe 92 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: your childhood self, even like you're now a Chief Legal 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: and Sustainability officer, but I'm sure you didn't wake up 94 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: at five and go I want to be a chief 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: Legal and stability officer when I grow up. 96 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely not. Yeah, you know, I was thinking about 97 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: this and as a child. You know, there are some 98 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: themes and I think, you know, to anyone who's kind 99 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: of early on in their career, and you know, frankly 100 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: those of us who are still in the middle of 101 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: our careers, right, people, can you know take different paths 102 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: at different times. You know, for me personally, there's been 103 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: a consistency around the planet. When I was a kid, 104 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I felt, you know, very concerned about the planet. 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: I wasn't. 106 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't think I was anxiety ridden in but I 107 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: was probably thinking about things maybe a little more seriously 108 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: than I needed to as a young child. You know, 109 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: I was wondering, like how you know we we love 110 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: all the animals, and you know, I loved being out 111 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: in nature, and you know, I just didn't really understand 112 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: why no one else was concerned about what was happening, 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: because you would see things, you know, happening around you. 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: So I did have a bit of this is really 115 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: important and it was important to me, and part of 116 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: it was a very visceral reaction of just loving animals 117 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: and like, you know, if you'd see one that was 118 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: like heard, you'd want to go help it, or you know, 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: you'd see a tree being cut down and it would 120 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: make me really sad. And so some of that was 121 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: just I think, just visceral human and part of it 122 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: was also just feeling like there was like a finite 123 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: resource and you know, there was not as much thought 124 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: going into it that I thought it warranted. So I 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: do remember having those feelings very young, and they kind 126 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: of you know, it wasn't all consuming or anything, but 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, I for example, I was a vegetarian very early. 128 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: I probably started like a run, you know, like I'm 129 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: not a vegetarian anymore, to be clear, So I totally 130 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: jumped off, you know, jumped off that train. 131 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: But you know, it's okay playing with these. 132 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: Things and these emotions. So that's been a consistent thing 133 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: for me through my life. But how that's you know, 134 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: kind of shown itself has changed a lot as I've 135 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, grown up. 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: I love that because I think often in hindsight you 137 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: can really clearly see the themes and the dots that 138 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: all connect looking backwards, but at the time it's often 139 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: really hard to translate those interests and inclinations into a pathway. 140 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: Like as a kid, it's so straightforward that I like animals, 141 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: or I'm interested in space or cars or whatever it is. 142 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: We all have our interests, but then as you sort 143 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: of get into the education system, it's like, well, what 144 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: do you do with that? Like what does that actually 145 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: mean for your life exactly? And that's the bit I 146 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: think we all struggle with. So I love that, you know, 147 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: looking sort of on paper, your first degree was a 148 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: Bachelor of Science, which ties into all that, but you know, 149 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: at school, how did you translate that interest into something 150 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: Did you know that you wanted to go the science path? 151 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: Did you do sport like you you were? Did you 152 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: grow up in California? 153 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: By the way, I did, I grew up in California. 154 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: I was born in New York, but very short until 155 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: I went back to last school. I was just born there. 156 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: I grew up in California. And science, to me, I 157 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: do have my brain is kind of more wired that way. 158 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: So science to me was something that I was very 159 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: interested in and I think was easier for me than 160 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: It's kind of ironic that I went to law school 161 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: because I'm English. My mother's an English teacher, and it 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: was not my favorite subject. 163 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's a lot of big jumps. 164 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of jumps happening. Yeah, there's a lot 165 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: of jumps that happened. And I think that's a good 166 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, I hope for listeners that that's somewhat reassuring, 167 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: like you can explore different parts of your what draws 168 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: you and like what your experiences and where your talents lie. 169 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's no you choose a path 170 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and you have to stay on that path. Like I 171 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: think there is you know there those paths are very windy, 172 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: sometimes even have a U turn right. But yeah, the 173 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: sciences for me were always very war I just found 174 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: it very interesting, like I could not get enough information, 175 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: and you know, I just loved learning about science. It 176 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: explained a lot about what was going on around you, 177 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: you know, And that's how it felt for me. It 178 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: felt very comfortable to be able to understand and why 179 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: and then the why the why. You know. I think 180 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: as I went through university and was teaching, and I 181 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: started realizing that I liked learning about science and I 182 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: still do, but I was becoming less interested in actually 183 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: being a scientist, you know. And some of that can 184 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: be you know, I think back to the fact that 185 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: you're making decisions when you're twenty years old, and the 186 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: things that you know, some of the reasons I made 187 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: certain decisions like in hindsight, you know. But you know, 188 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: I think deep down, I you know, I felt like 189 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: I that wasn't a path for me. And at the time, 190 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: and so I graduated from university having completely focused as 191 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: a biologist and that meant, you know, a lot of 192 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: chemistry and biology, and then graduated and really didn't know 193 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: what I was going to do. 194 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: I think that's so common. 195 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: I think it's very common, and I think that's okay, 196 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's actually healthy, you know. I mean, 197 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: and there are people that just know what they want 198 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: to do. You know, you've met those people where they're like, Okay, 199 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: this is like what I want to do, Just do it, 200 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: and they're like content and happy. So that's obviously not 201 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: it's a great thing as well. But I think it's like, 202 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: okay to really question and explore and see what else 203 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: is out there of what you're currently doing isn't really 204 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: working for you. 205 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: And I think there's so much societal pressure as well 206 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: on like don't waste time and you've got to figure 207 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: it out now. And if you don't know where you 208 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: want to end up, then how do you know that 209 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: your momentum right now is in the right direction and 210 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: all that kind of stress about finding your passion. And 211 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: I think the reason I labor the earlier parts of 212 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: people's lives, even if it's not sort of where they 213 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: ended up, is to remind our listeners that, like, at 214 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: any time, it could be at the university years. Sometimes 215 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: it's like well into a career that people just go 216 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: this is either was never for me, or is no 217 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: longer for me, or is turned into something that's no 218 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: longer for me. And it's totally fine to sort of 219 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: change from you know, I'm going to be a biologist. 220 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to move to the other side of a 221 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: country and be in a law for which is like 222 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: totally the opposite to a science career. So I also 223 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: think it's probably more common because of the kind of 224 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: college system in the US. But here, you know, doing 225 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: post grad study after you've finished one degree is kind 226 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: of a big deal. You know, you're a more mature 227 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: age student. It's sort of got all that pressure of well, 228 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: I've already paid for one degree and I'm doing something else. 229 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 2: You know, how did you decide two years later to 230 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: do a law degree. 231 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's like I said, English wasn't my you know, 232 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: favorite subject, and you know, I tend to avoid confrontation. 233 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: So some some of it probably was a. 234 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: Little confusing to people that know me. But no, I 235 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of ways to practice a lot 236 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: as you know very well. 237 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't expect that you would go 238 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: into project finance, but amazing tell us how you got there. 239 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, so I didn't know what 240 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to do when I graduated, I you know, 241 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: it was pretty sure that I didn't want to be 242 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: a doctor, even though I'd done all the prerequisites for that. 243 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, I wasn't really that sure about being 244 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: a scientist. And when you go into grad school for science, 245 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very targeted, like here's what you want 246 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: to do, here's the you know, and it's a it's 247 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: a very small thing that you're working on and very committed, right, 248 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: and I was at that place at all. And law. 249 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: The beauty of law, I think, and I really don't 250 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: regret going at all, Like I'm very grateful that I 251 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: took this path is that it law school trains you 252 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: to think a certain way and it's a very I think, 253 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: a very useful way to think. It's a very analytical 254 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: way to think. And the thing that I loved about 255 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: it even applying to law school is a lot of 256 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: it's just about solving problems and that's what I, you know, 257 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: I find really interesting and rewarding. And you can grad 258 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: at case in point, for you can graduate with law 259 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: and do a lot of different things. You find lawyers 260 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: in all parts of society, and so for where I 261 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: was in my life, it just felt like the right 262 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: choice because I wasn't ready. I wanted more education to 263 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: build onto my biology degree. Is scary because here in 264 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: the US different than other parts of the world. You know, 265 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: it's a pretty big loan burden you're taking on as 266 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: an individual. But you know, I just I did think 267 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: I needed to go to more school. And I also 268 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: loved school, so I think it was also an easy 269 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: excuse to stay in school. 270 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: How long can I be a student? 271 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I know, how do I make this happen as much 272 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: as possible? And then I knew i'd graduate and have 273 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of options and be you know, it would 274 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: be very useful. So that's why I did it. But 275 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: I you know, I was still a bit of a 276 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: leap of faith going into there. And you certainly arrive 277 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: on the first day of law school. You know, Columbia's 278 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: got an excellent law school, and you know, there are 279 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: those people there that have wanted to be a lawyer 280 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: since they were talking, and you know, done all of 281 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: their preparatory work, and we're very you know, and then 282 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: I was probably the spectrum, but it was it was 283 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: one of I really treasure those years at Columbia and 284 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: being in New York City and just kind of opening 285 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: my mind to a whole new you know, really high 286 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: quality education and really really enriching experiences. So the project 287 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: finance came about because you know, in law, you're really 288 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: divide into two types of practice. There's the disputes practice, 289 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: which is kind of what you see on TV with 290 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, lawyers and courtrooms, and which is you know, 291 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: a very obviously important part of the legal system. But 292 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: there's also the commercial side of the legal system, which is, 293 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, supporting business and creating unique can call it 294 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: contractual law or whatever. You know. That the a different 295 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: practice and I was drawn to that just from a 296 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: way of working perspective. And project finance I came across 297 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: fairly early. I was taking some classes at the Business 298 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: School and at the International School and really learned about 299 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: how infrastructure was built, and I was focused, as you 300 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: probably can ascertain, on renewables. 301 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: I was going to say, what kind of projects did 302 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: you do? 303 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: So I was instantly drawn to renewables and project finance, 304 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: like I said, was kind of a way to solve 305 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: problems to get these renewable projects built. So the pieces 306 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: kind of came together pretty early for me, which is 307 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: was not like my personality where I didn't go into 308 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: every part of the law school and explore every possibility 309 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: that came to me pretty early, and so I focused 310 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: pretty early, and that was something that just kind of 311 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: played to my I think, the way my brain works, 312 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: and like I said, just kind of that analytical because 313 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: like project finance really is pulling in all these pieces 314 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: into making something makes sense on paper and then it 315 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: gets built, you know. And so you've you've got you know, 316 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: you've got your all your permitting, you've got all your 317 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: government you know, approvals, you've got to set up the financing, 318 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: the technology, like all these things have to come together, 319 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: and as a lawyer you're really making sure it all 320 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: comes together and minimizing the risk. So intellectually, it's also 321 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: really really fun. 322 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: I think it's so cool that you had this theme 323 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: of renewable energy and sustainability and the planet, but you 324 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: kind of came at it from one angle as a 325 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: biologist and sort of thought, this is actually not the 326 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: angle that I am maybe going to take. But then 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: you kind of ended up in all the subsequent chapters 328 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: finding different ways to come at the same passion. And 329 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: I think that's the challenge is we often think the 330 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: passion needs to change because like the first try doesn't 331 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: work out. But it's like no, no, the yay. Once 332 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: you've found it. It's rare. A lot of people don't 333 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: even find it. But once you've got it, it's just 334 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: experimenting with the different ways you could mold different skill 335 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: sets or different career paths or different chapters to come 336 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: at it. And I wouldn't have necessarily thought law would 337 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: allow you as much at that early to kind of 338 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: focus on renewables, but amazing that you got to do that. 339 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: What I think is really interesting is that you were 340 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: in a law firm context and got to sort of 341 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: travel around the States and then to Singapore and had 342 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: a big chapter there. But one of the sort of 343 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: themes that emerges in this section of people's lives is 344 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: when you found something that's really good, how you know 345 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: when it's time for a new chapter because you've since 346 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: moved on, you're no longer at that firm, and it 347 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: doesn't sound like you didn't, like, you know, firm life. 348 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people leave because they get 349 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: into somewhere and they go Oh it's not for me. 350 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: Obviously you made it for you. So what was that 351 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: chapter like? And then how did you sort of come 352 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: to the conclusion that, Okay, this has been one manifestation 353 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: and now I'm going to move on to in house, Like, 354 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: how does that happen? 355 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I was one of the 356 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: people that, you know, I didn't hate from life. You know, 357 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: I found I locked out. I got into a really 358 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: good group and the team in San Francisco, and we 359 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: were doing a lot of renewables that helped. Yeah, that 360 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: was good, but you know, there was so much to 361 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: learn and I was just you know, I found it. 362 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: Really I was really grateful and found it really rewarding. 363 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: I did at some point know that what'sn't my long 364 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: term path I would describe and I do this with 365 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: when I interview people to come join my team, people 366 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: come moving in, you know, from private practice into a firm. 367 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: Is you know, I think private practice and law firms 368 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: are really great for people that like to be deep 369 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: experts in particular things because you're working for so many clients. 370 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: Really you are the expert, right, you see all these 371 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: different ways of doing things, and you've got this broad 372 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: market view and you are paid for that expertise and 373 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: really love that. For me, it was really more about 374 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: the broader view and the impact. And so after I 375 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: kind of had learned what I thought I needed to learn, 376 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: the business model for me was less interesting and so 377 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: I kind of knew that, but I was still really happy, 378 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: but wanted to go abroad and kind of expand my horizons. 379 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: And so I was able to go to Singapore and 380 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: work in project finance and that was great to be 381 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. And there was one project that I was 382 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: working on and it was a so we were advising 383 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: we were working for the IFC, which is you know, 384 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: they provide funding to developing nations, and we were advising 385 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: the Vietnam government on developing a coal plant, and so 386 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: I was going up to Hannoi, you know, frequently, and 387 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: it was a bit of an ethical struggle for me 388 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: because in one way, you know, cole is a very cheap, 389 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: fast way to bring a lot of electricity to a country, 390 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: and certainly so it's kind of hard to come from 391 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: the United States and say you shouldn't have coal, you know, 392 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: all the progress that was in the United States. But 393 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, it was challenging for me. And 394 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, there was also the way that the funding 395 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: was set up. You know that a lot of environmental 396 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: rules didn't need to be followed, so it was definitely 397 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: gnawing at me. And that was that was actually the 398 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: project where I said, Okay, I think I'm done. I'm 399 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: going to go find a renewable company to work for it. 400 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: At this point, it's time. And so I moved back 401 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: to the United States and I immediately started looking and 402 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: I joined some power. 403 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: Wow, it's so interesting thinking about when people make big 404 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: changes like that, especially if it involves moving countries, but 405 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: when it involves moving, you know, from a structure as 406 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: a lawyer in a firm into an in house position, 407 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: like I think, it's easy to tell the story in 408 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: hindsight just chronologically. I had this realization I left, but 409 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: we often skate over like the self doubt, the implications 410 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: for am I successful. I'm going back to the start 411 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: in something that I've never done before. You're vulnerable because 412 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: you're applying for positions, you know, all that stuff that 413 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 2: you get really comfortable in a certain role, and then 414 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: suddenly it's like something makes you realize that you're agitating 415 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: for something else. How did that all work for you? 416 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: Did you grapple with your identity? I'm not with a 417 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: big firm anymore, like I'm starting from scratch. Do you 418 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: have self doubt? How do you deal with that dialogue? 419 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: Do you just risk management of like moving home? You 420 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: know all that stuff? Like how does a big pivot 421 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: for you work in your brain? 422 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: It's a great question, and there certainly have been pivots 423 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: I haven't taken. And you do look back and you say, huh, 424 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: like I, yeah, so it's not like I've always just 425 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: taken the right pivot and it's great, but it's so 426 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: it's a really important question because I think there can 427 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: be times in your life where maybe I passed up 428 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: a right decision, you know, because it just wasn't the 429 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: right time, or there was something else unrelated that just 430 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: wasn't going to fall into place. So, you know, I 431 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: think everyone and to listeners, you have to give yourself 432 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of a break. You know, sometimes things 433 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: will work out and be the right time, and sometimes 434 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: they just won't. In this case for me, you know, 435 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: I had thought through it enough and I think it 436 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: had kind of been brewing long enough that it it 437 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: wasn't a sudden thing. It was a little more calculated 438 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: for me, so I didn't struggle as much with that decision. 439 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: I was also you know, I didn't have kids yet, 440 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: Like I mean, there's it's also easier to make some 441 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: bigger moves when you're just taking care of yourself. Yeah, 442 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: so I mean that might be part of it, But 443 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, no, I think it felt right. And I 444 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: think in the end that's for me. That's you got 445 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: to listen to your gut. You know, plan enough that 446 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: if your gut doesn't work out, you've got some other options. 447 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: But in the end, you know, you kind of do 448 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: need to trust yourself and make those changes when it 449 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: feels like it's the right time. 450 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: And do you ever get stuck in like I think 451 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: for women in particular, and as we move more into 452 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: kind of like the the energy sector and the challenges 453 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: for gender diversity and you know, the landscape before we 454 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: get into that law is similar I think in that 455 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: regard where women in particular, everyone but women in particular 456 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: do often face institutional inequalities that then lead to you know, 457 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: self doubt and imposter syndrome and do I have to 458 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: be someone else? And manifest different attributes to get ahead 459 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: and you know all that kind of stuff. Did you 460 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: have a struggle with that, either in the law or 461 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: as you were moving into the sector as an actual 462 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: like general counsel. 463 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: I think about this question a lot, because I, you know, 464 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: I you read studies and you know, you hear about 465 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, women having a harder time in these moments, 466 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: and I think it's very true. You know, it's I 467 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: was very prone to if I work hard and I 468 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: just do a really good job and I'm really diligent, 469 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: someone's going to notice and they're just going to tap 470 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: me on the shoulder and say, hey, lindsay why don't 471 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: you go do this? 472 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: And you know, we have noticed that you are doing 473 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: very well. 474 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: You just sat around the room thought about what you 475 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: should be doing next, you know. So I do think 476 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: that's like ingrained. I think it's somewhat you know, ingrained. 477 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: And I do think women are more prone to that 478 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: than men. I think they will just work hard and 479 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: feel like people should notice and wait for the tap 480 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: on the shoulder or and the big movement I've had 481 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: in my career have been when I've just jumped for 482 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: something and asked for it that doesn't happen very often. 483 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to do that frequently, but I think, 484 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: you know, I think those periods were filled with times 485 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: of working really hard and being really diligent, so that 486 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: you kind of are setup. When you jump for it, 487 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: people are like, oh, yeah, that actually makes sense. But 488 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: I think you do have to take control of that 489 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: yourself and just you know, ask for what you want. 490 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: I think the worst is people say no, And to 491 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: be honest, if they say no, then they were never 492 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: going to give it to you to begin with. You've 493 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: really lost anything. 494 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: Yes see. Yeah, you might feel silly for like twenty 495 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: seconds and then like the moment's past. It's not as 496 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: bad as you ever imagined it. 497 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably a lot less worse than if you 498 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: never asked and you never knew if you would have 499 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: gotten it, you know. So I do think that that's 500 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: something that is like something that has to be exercised 501 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: and like you know, it doesn't come naturally. I think 502 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: that's harder for women in like a law firm like 503 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: you said, or in other industries in the corporate world, 504 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: because that's how you make those little jumps in your career. 505 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of the biggest sort of breakthroughs 506 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: I had was realizing firstly that that tap on the shoulder, 507 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: it's not not coming because anyone doesn't want you to 508 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: have that opportunity. It's just because the decision makers are busy, 509 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: like they've got their own stuff going on. So sometimes 510 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: you just have to be the loudest thing that's drawing 511 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: their attention to you. We're all human, like, I won't 512 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: necessarily notice what ten other people around me are doing 513 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: unless someone is yelling I'm doing a good job, and 514 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: then I'll go, yeah, you are, but you're not constantly 515 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: looking for things outside the purview of your own job. 516 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: So I kind of think once I took all the 517 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: whole like it's a conspiracy. Everyone's conspiring against me being away, 518 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: and it was just like, no, people are just busy. 519 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: So if you can just gently draw their attention and 520 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: put your hand up, people want you to do that 521 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: most of the time. 522 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: I want you to because they're not, to be honest, 523 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: they're not thinking about you, like you said, they're just busy. 524 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: You know. You know, if that thing isn't right, you 525 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: might jump another brain more quickly the next time too. 526 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: So it's like even if that one thing doesn't work out, 527 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, like a project you really want to work 528 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: on and you're like, I'll do it, you know, and 529 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we got it. The next time they 530 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: may be like, oh, actually, you know. So it's also 531 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: that one moment doesn't pursue the way you want it. Yeah, 532 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: I think it's actually just helpful and you know, and 533 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: then you can also learn from it. 534 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, Well, before we move into the big 535 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: industry change and this kind of sector you've moved into 536 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: and remain in today, I'd love to just ask your 537 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: opinion on something that's kind of come up a lot 538 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: in conversation since I moved into business, actually, which was 539 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: the cultural difference between the working landscape in the US 540 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: and Australia, and just following on from that self doubt 541 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: imposter syndrome thing. It's so cultural in Australia to facetoll 542 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: poppy syndrome and worry about people judging you for putting 543 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: yourself out there, and to think that self deprecation is 544 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 2: a really good trait that you need to show all 545 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: the time. Because we relate to that so much, we 546 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: kind of bond over just knocking ourselves down a few 547 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: pegs like lit alone other people doing it for us, 548 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: it's really like we're like, oh, he's so humble, Like 549 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: that's a real compliment. And I found in business that 550 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 2: worked really well for me to sort of be like 551 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: it was a happy accident. I fumbled into this. I 552 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: you know, it was all like just winging it, which 553 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: is true. But when we moved into the States with 554 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: our we had a big tea business, it just didn't 555 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: land very well. Like Americans were all a mass generalization, obviously, 556 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: but it just seemed that the sort of general response 557 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: to that kind of self duprecation was if you don't 558 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: have faith in you, like why am I going to 559 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: take you on? You're already telling me what's not on 560 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: purpose about why you're here. You're not really setting me 561 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: up to believe that you could be successful. And I 562 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: sort of was really confronted by how confident are the 563 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: people pitching would be and how easily it came out 564 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: of their mouths to say I am really proud that 565 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: we achieved this, even though they should be really proud 566 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: that they achieved it. I'd be like, well, that's so forward, 567 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: Like God, calm down, you're so confident. But I had 568 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: to really get over that, because like in pitching, I 569 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: meant to be putting you best foot forward and I 570 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: was putting my worst foot forward and then being confused. 571 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: Do you find having started your life in an American workforce, 572 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 2: do you notice that? 573 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: It's a great question. I was operating in the American 574 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: workforce doing what you're doing. We're doing in Australia. So 575 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, I would say things like, well, not really 576 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: an expert here, but here's what I think, or you know, 577 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: just like kind of apologizing before I would speak. 578 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: Oh, you do the Australian thing. 579 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I was doing that, so maybe I 580 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: should und descerned to Australia. Yeah you have gotten a 581 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: straight ahead, be a lot less confusing. You know. For me, 582 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: it just felt like I wanted to make sure people 583 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: knew I was self aware that, like I'm not an expert, 584 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: and you know that I have this like perception of like, 585 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: but no one wants to hear that, Like you said, 586 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: that's what I really don't. They don't want to if 587 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: you're not an expert. They don't want you to keep talking. 588 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's almost like saying like no offense, but 589 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: like if you were saying that in the beginning, people 590 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: just stop listening. So it took me a while to 591 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: learn that. And I think as I've grown in you know, 592 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: forward in my career, I've really tried to cut that 593 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: back comes out every once in a while. I still 594 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: catch myself every once in a while. So maybe I 595 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: do have an ex career in Australia. I think that's 596 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: an accurate assessment. And you know, people aren't shy in 597 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: the US also about you know, I fit about half 598 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: of that. It's fine, Like I'll just you know, like 599 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: like over promise and I'll figure it out. 600 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: Right. 601 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: There's a lot of that. 602 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: Which is I think is so valuable, Like it really 603 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: is how you get it ahead. And I think we 604 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: treat like saying yes s for or owning success you 605 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: have actually had. It's not even like you're making it up. 606 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: It's such a dirty word here, it's like, oh my god, 607 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 2: she's got tickets on herself. But it's really refreshing when 608 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: you're in a room of people who are pitching like 609 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: the actual amazing things they've done, not boasting. They're just 610 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: saying it because it's an actual fact, and it's it 611 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: really helped change my mindset around like it's okay to 612 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: say you did a good job. That's fine. 613 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: How does that go over in Australia. 614 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: I think you do still walk this very fine line 615 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: of humility and likability. But there's a way to do 616 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: it that isn't constant self deprecation, like you kind of 617 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: can come in the middle a little bit more than 618 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: oh my god, I know nothing, so don't listen to me, 619 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: but just like, let's meet in the middle. Good. So 620 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: moving into SunPower Maxian Solar Technologies, which is known as 621 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: SunPower in Australia. I think it's been ten years now 622 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: with sun Power for you. 623 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah joined you know, even if you combine the two, 624 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: it's been thirteen going on fourteen. Yeah wow. 625 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: So before we get into what the company is doing 626 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: and why I feel so privileged to be able to 627 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: work with the company, what is kind of the lay 628 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: of the land of the sector and the industry, Because 629 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people are getting increasingly enthusiastic about clean 630 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: energy and being involved as consumers, but I don't think 631 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: it's something the average person knows much about in terms 632 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: of how the industry works. What are the challenges in 633 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: clean energy not just for people who work in it, 634 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: but for the world, you know, where are we kind 635 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: of at at the moment. Yeah, that's a great that's 636 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: a huge question. We need a whole mini series, but 637 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: like it's some top points. Yeah, it's a big question. 638 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: But it's an interesting one because I you know, the 639 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: industry is so dynamic, and I think that's why I've 640 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: been in it for so long. It's been almost like 641 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: five different careers. You know. When I started back in 642 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: twenty ten, we were still in the phase of like 643 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: convincing people that solar made sense, you know, or that 644 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't just for people. You know. Back then it 645 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: was almost like a luxury, like I have a lot 646 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: of money and I care about the planet, so I'll 647 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: get a solar system. Or it was just kind of 648 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: a fringe thing. And climate wasn't that much of a 649 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: topic either back in twenty ten, So it was really 650 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: this uphill battle with awareness and everything was it was 651 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: growing very quickly, but it was it started off so tiny. 652 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: You know, so there's a lot of growth, but it's. 653 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: Still in the grand scheme of things, wasn't that significant, 654 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: and it's just you know, it's gone through such big 655 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: changes over the years. And I think, you know, a 656 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: big part of it really is I think the climate 657 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: just impacting people's day to day lives. And you know, 658 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: there's just been over this thirteen years of real shift. 659 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: I think in people's thinking of, oh, this is something 660 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: that's really impacting me, figure it out. So I think 661 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: at a grand scale, that seems to be what's happening 662 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: in solar a big thing. It's if you look at 663 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: the cost curves of how much cost and has come 664 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: out of making solar panels, it's quite astronomical, you know, 665 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty unbelievable, and a lot of it has 666 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: to do with just the scale of it. But it 667 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: did used to be a really expensive source of energy 668 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: and it's gotten to the point where it's not now. 669 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: At a solar company, that's really tough, Like you feel 670 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: like you're constantly struggling just to you know, make it work. 671 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: And so for my company that's challenging, but for the 672 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: planet it's great. It's just it's more economical than any 673 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: other source of electricity, and so that is a real shift. 674 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: It's no longer something that we should do, but it's 675 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: something that just makes sense for everybody. So I would 676 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: say that's the biggest change. Really. Yeah, so I think 677 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: I think the real change has been from this kind 678 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: of push for Soular, you know, and just trying to 679 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: get the word out and how people understand why it's 680 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: so important. Maybe I'm optimistic and I am a little 681 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: bit in a bubble of course, given my industry, so 682 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: but I do think a lot more people just get 683 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: it and it's really now about getting it out and installed. 684 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: But it does seem like there's a lot less of 685 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: explaining the why, but just kind of like the how, 686 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: how are we going to do this? And that's that's 687 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: been a really big change over this short period of time. 688 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: It's incredibly exciting also as even as a consumer who's 689 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: been interested in making a big shift like we have 690 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: had in the last six months moved to a fully 691 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: electric car and then obviously had our amazing sun power 692 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: panels and battery installed. But yeah, how the desire has 693 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: been there for a really long time. But the accessibility 694 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 2: of in animation on where to get them and as 695 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: a consumer, how you can even how many panels you need, 696 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 2: what are the different panels, who makes them, what are 697 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: the supply chains, like all of those things have suddenly 698 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 2: become questions you want to ask, but in a really 699 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 2: short amount of time you've learned what you should even 700 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: be asking. You know, it's just kind of all been 701 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: gone from Oh, NASA, make panels and use them too, 702 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: we can have them in our home. This is what 703 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: so out of like kind of very high level. If 704 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: you had the chance to tell everyone in the world 705 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 2: who's like new from a consumer perspective and who isn't 706 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: in the industry and might not have had you know, 707 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 2: exposure to this, there's kind of one or two things 708 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 2: about solar power that might tip them over the edge 709 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 2: or make them more interested if they weren't already, or 710 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: even some misconceptions you hear all the time that you 711 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: want to bust as a myth, Like what are kind 712 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: of some of the things you would say as like 713 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: a gateway drug to solar power? 714 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: You know, I think as a consumer you really can 715 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: have some more control over your energy usage and where 716 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: you're getting up from talking about the awareness point. When 717 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: I first started in the industry, I think I think 718 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the fact was that people on average thought about their electricity, 719 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, nine minutes a year or something. I mean, 720 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: it was like unbelievable. People just didn't think about it. 721 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: You just paid your electricity bill and you just went 722 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: on with your diet, like there wasn't really any sort 723 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: of critical thought. And that's changing a lot. And partly 724 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: like what you explained, people are getting electric cars and 725 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I'm not putting gas in this, I'm 726 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: putting electricity. Where's my electricity coming from? What's the you know? 727 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: So I think people are thinking about it more, they're 728 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: just engaging with it more. It does give you a 729 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: semblance of control. If you're somebody who wants to be 730 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: supporting renewables, it's a very easy way to do it. 731 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: And it's often economic too. It's not a luxury to 732 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: make that choice. It's just economically makes sense. Depending on 733 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: where you live in the world. There can be some 734 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: seckkerecurity with it that you can have power when power 735 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: goes out, you know, So there's some like self reliance 736 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: that I think it's really attractive to consumers. But and 737 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: you just you kind of vote with your pocketbook right 738 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: as to what you care about. So I think it's 739 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: it's empowering not to but it is, you know, you 740 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: can take some druct control and provide some security too. 741 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: It's been fascinating for us to even as kind of 742 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: self identifying as quite aware consumers, to see how, yeah, 743 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 2: getting an electric vehicle, like where do we charge it 744 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: and what do we charge it in? And then as 745 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: soon as you get the panels, it's sort of changed 746 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: out all our behaviors around Well, I'll charge the car 747 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 2: during the day because it's sunny and I'm on the panels, 748 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 2: not the grid, and all that kind of behavioral reflection 749 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 2: that you just don't have until you are aware that 750 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: you can kind of reflect a bit more on that, 751 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 2: and that you know, I would always our clients as 752 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: would be used most at night, kind of when just 753 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 2: by default you charge your phones and stuff overnight. And 754 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 2: then suddenly I was like, wait, during the day with 755 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: these panels is when I should be doing everything. You 756 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: just don't think that way until you encourage yourself to 757 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: do it. So it's been a really interesting behavioral shift. 758 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: What do you think when consumers might be starting to 759 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 2: look at changing to solar power? Obviously on an institutional 760 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: level it's different. You're kind of looking at big buildings 761 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: and machinery and stuff, But in a house, what are 762 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: the questions that you should should start asking because it's 763 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 2: hard to even know. I didn't even know what panels 764 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 2: were made of. I didn't know that sometimes the supply 765 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: chain in producing the panels is not necessarily a sustainable process, 766 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 2: which are kind of in your brain you're like, wait, 767 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 2: that's so many levels of consciousness of planetary implications, but 768 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 2: you need to think about that, like was it energy 769 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 2: efficient to produce the things that you're buying to be 770 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 2: more energy efficient? 771 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I mean with any product, I think it's 772 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: a reasonable amount of diligence. Is a good idea, you know, 773 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: you're putting it on your roof. But you know, I 774 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: think that's also one of the misconceptions too. There's a 775 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of big money really invested in making sold or 776 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: not succeed still or other energy alternatives, and that's that's 777 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: one of the big talking points is that the amount 778 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: of electricity that goes into making a panel offsets the 779 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: production and there might be really really bad products out 780 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: there where that's true. But you know, for Maxion and 781 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: you know, to make a plug for my company, but 782 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: it's just true. You know, it's less than a year 783 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: for all the energy it takes, not only to make 784 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: a panel, but to get it installed. It's like less 785 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: than a year payback and we have a four year warranty, 786 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: so it's just like one hundredfold electricity. So that is 787 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: a talking point that can be you know, countered pretty easily. 788 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: But I do think as a consumers, I would recommend that, 789 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, you take a look at what you're buying, 790 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: because it's less obvious than or you know, you're just 791 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: less exposed to it than let's say a car, right 792 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: car manufacturers, you kind of know what kind of car 793 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: you want. Do I care about, you know, it being 794 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: electric or a luxury or you know, you kind of 795 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: just and you know the brands and you kind of 796 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: know the quality. So I would spend the time doing 797 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of research. Is pretty accessible now, so 798 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's too difficult, but that's 799 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: what I would do, is just to make sure you're 800 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: kind of you know what you're buying. 801 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it took us a little while to kind of 802 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 2: navigate the names of the players in the industry and 803 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: then even the kind of bodies, the official bodies that 804 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 2: reports and what reports you should be looking at and 805 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: if you I mean, I know you coming back to 806 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 2: it's awkward to give yourself a plug. I really want 807 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: to give some power and Maxion a plug because we 808 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 2: did a lot of research and were so impressed at 809 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: what a forward thinking business and how transparent every stage 810 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: of the manufacturing is and how many reports there are 811 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: on kind of the ethical labor standards all the way 812 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 2: longer supply chain. And then you know, internally looking at 813 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 2: the sort of volunteering that you can do. Is International 814 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 2: Women's Days coming up, there's women at Maxion Sola. There 815 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 2: are so many programs adjacent also to sustainability that made 816 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 2: it a really really cool company that we wanted to 817 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 2: just buipanels from but then continue to be involved in. 818 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 2: And the fact that you've worked with NASA like that 819 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: is so cool. So what for you going into this 820 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 2: role and then staying for such a long period of 821 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 2: time made some power different. 822 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: First, I wanted to say thank you, that's great. I'm 823 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: glad that those you know, the work that we do 824 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: is from someone who's just as a consumer researching You're 825 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: able to find that information that obviously is meaningful to 826 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: me because that's a lot of what we focus on. 827 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 2: Im like a walking at like we are in a 828 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 2: wonderful partnership together. But that happened after the research, Like 829 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: we had already spent like six months to a year 830 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 2: knowing we were going to renovate a house looking for 831 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 2: this information. The time I'd actually met the team in 832 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 2: Australia that were like, so we've got the hippod I 833 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I know, I've read it. And I 834 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 2: was sort of like, what you've read it? Like I'm 835 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 2: an informed I was a lawyer. I read contracts like 836 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 2: this is my jab. 837 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: It just makes me really happy to hear that, because 838 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: you know, I think it would be easy as a 839 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: solar company to just rest on the fact that you're 840 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: making solar panels. I mean that's a pretty big deal, right, 841 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: like your business enough, that's enough, Like we've got we've 842 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: got that covered, Like we're making all of our customers sustainable, 843 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: so we've got that covered. And you know, I think 844 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: that would be easy. But for us that you know, 845 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: we wanted to take a step deeper and really make 846 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: sure that the way we're doing that is the best way. 847 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: And that actually is a long that's been in the 848 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: DNA from a company for a long time. You know, 849 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: we've always been extremely thoughtful about how we manufacture, how 850 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: do we reduce electricity, how do we reduce water, how 851 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 1: do we reduce waste. You know, we're cradled a cradle 852 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: like there's just a lot of above and beyond that 853 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: we've done. We've got a lot of lead certified buildings 854 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: because it's manufacturing, and manufacturing is a it's a weight 855 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: on the planet and so you've got to take a 856 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: responsibility with that. So we've taken that really seriously. And 857 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: then so some Power is a brand that we use 858 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: around the world. In the United States, some Power was 859 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: a parent company and then Maxions was spun out of 860 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: that into our own separate company for the non US. 861 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: So when we spun out Maxion as our own company, 862 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: we did take a step back and say who do 863 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: we want to be, you know, and how do we 864 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: address this world market from a value standpoint in addition 865 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: to all the environmental what are the other things that 866 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: we believe in? And you read about that like it 867 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: sounds like you had our sustainability report, which makes me 868 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: so happy. 869 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 2: Just a bedtime reading. 870 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: You know, we think about a lot of the ways 871 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: that we work and because that is important and it's 872 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's really important to our employees 873 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of our customers it's important as well. 874 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: And you really can make a difference with how you 875 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: do things. So that is fundamental, like I said, in 876 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: the environmental ways, and then also the other values that 877 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: we have as a company. The one thing that I 878 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: did draw me to it and I'm glad you found 879 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: us is your product to some power and maxion is 880 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: the quality of the products. I mean, the solo panels 881 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: we make are are just top quality. And you know, 882 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: the more and more when you start working in sustainability 883 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: and you start really thinking about things, you know, there's 884 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: I feel like there's like evolutions and the you know, 885 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: in sustainability. The first one was oh my gosh, we're 886 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: using all this stuff. We've got to figure out how 887 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: to recycle it, right so we could use it again. 888 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: And you know, I think and I think that came 889 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: from good intentions, but I think that made people think 890 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: less about the fact that they're using it to begin with, 891 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, if I just recycle it, 892 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: then I'm doing something good. Where it's like there's a 893 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: lot that goes into making that thing. To begin with, 894 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: and then there's a lo lot that goes into recycling 895 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: that thing to use it again, and that's better than 896 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: not recycling it. But is that better than not using 897 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: it or reducing how much you use? You know? And 898 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the recent press around kind 899 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: of the pitfalls of recycling are starting to make people 900 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: realize that. But the reason I mentioned that with our 901 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: products is they just last a lot longer and you 902 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: just need less of them, and in the end, that's 903 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 1: just reducing your consumption. You know, it makes a difference 904 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: long term, and it just makes a difference on how 905 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: many things because if you think about like this whole 906 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: panel in your roof, right it was made, that it 907 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: was transported, then someone like drove it to your house. 908 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: They had a bunch of people that drove to your house. 909 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: They installed it. There was steel, there's electron you know, 910 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: there's just a lot that goes into it. And it's 911 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: going to operate for over forty years, so it's worth it. 912 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: But to the extent that happens less, that just has 913 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 1: like you know, kind of a resounding reduction of impact. 914 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's really you start to you know, 915 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: hear a lot about circular economy and just kind of 916 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: really reducing your impact is a really really powerful way 917 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: to be sustainable. And so I'm hoping that it's a 918 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: complicated message to get out, but I'm really hoping that 919 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,959 Speaker 1: over time that's something that you know, we can really 920 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 1: reinforce our products because they just work for a really 921 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: long time and work really well. 922 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 2: So even getting told that, like our guarantee, our warranty 923 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 2: was forty years, I was like, I don't own anything 924 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,879 Speaker 2: that agree like that guarantees it will be in my life, 925 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 2: still working at It's that's not even like it dies 926 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 2: in forty years. That's we can guarantee it's optimum performance 927 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 2: in forty years time. I sort of like, I don't 928 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 2: even know what I'm doing in four years, but the 929 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 2: panels will be there doing that thing for me, which 930 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 2: in itself is amazing. And like so in terms of 931 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 2: the product quality and performance, that was immediately a no 932 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,240 Speaker 2: brainer before even kind of diving deeper into the supply chain. 933 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 2: And like the un development goals that Maxion and some 934 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 2: Power are signed up to, are there any other kind 935 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 2: of big ticket things that you're really proud of, stats 936 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 2: that you're really proud of like, I know, you know, 937 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 2: the recycling of waste is, as you mentioned, sometimes it's 938 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 2: better to not be consuming certain things, but the reality 939 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 2: of manufacturing is you will be producing a lot of things. 940 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,439 Speaker 2: Like you guys recycled sixty eight percent of your waist 941 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 2: last year. I think it was. There's so many amazing 942 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 2: certifications and kind of standout points that I've come across 943 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 2: in our research. Are there any that you are really 944 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 2: you know, as the sustainability chief sustainability officer, anything you're 945 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 2: particularly proud of that you would want to if you 946 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 2: were doing like twenty second blind dating with a consumer, 947 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 2: what would you tell them. 948 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of the fact that we were were 949 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,479 Speaker 1: in the top fifty sustainable companies in the world. And 950 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,919 Speaker 1: the reason that I'm really proud of that, I know, right, 951 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: because we're not that big yeah or yeah, they evaluate 952 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: seven thousand companies and you know, so for me and 953 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: like I feel like we're this little company, Like you know, 954 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: we're having you know, outsized recognition and I and to me, 955 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: that speaks volumes to our employees and how much it 956 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: really I think it's because it's in the core of 957 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: everything we do and it's just we think through five 958 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,320 Speaker 1: steps ahead and how do we really make an impact. 959 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: So I'm really really proud of that because we are 960 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, we are one of the smallest, smaller solar 961 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: companies and getting that recognition, I also think really helps 962 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: raise the rest of the solar industry. And so you know, 963 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: if we can and we see that right with our competitors, 964 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it makes up my job harder because I'm like, oh, gosh, 965 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: they're catching us on all these things, and like how 966 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: do we keep you know, staying ahead. But if I 967 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: take a step back, I'm like, that's wonderful. Like the 968 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: industry is just getting better and more thoughtful and more 969 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 1: you know, more sustainable. So it's really for me, that's 970 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: like what I'm really proud of. 971 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's wonderful to see when your competitors are 972 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 2: catching up to your like best in practice example. Yeah, 973 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 2: it's like annoying, but it's also like, yes, we are 974 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 2: leading everyone and dragging them offwards, which is amazing. But 975 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 2: as we kind of approach International Women's Day, I also 976 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 2: know that part of the conversation in the energy sector 977 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 2: has been the involvement of women in the sector traditionally, 978 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 2: and that maybe not from a consumer basis, but now 979 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 2: kind of talking to your position as like a you know, 980 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 2: very very high level executive in this company, how is 981 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 2: diversity and inclusion for employees and increasing women's involvement in 982 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 2: sustainable energy? How is that kind of prioritized for you guys? 983 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,760 Speaker 2: And then what do you see in the industry generally 984 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 2: for SOLA. 985 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. When I first joined Some 986 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: Powered and got more involved in the solar industry, I 987 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: was really surprised. I was surprised that it was a 988 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 1: topic and something that we needed to work on because 989 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, from outside in you're like, oh, it's renewables. 990 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, kind of more forward leaning. You 991 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: kind of feel like that would be and you know, 992 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to work on diversity, and so I 993 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: was kind of taken aback. But you know, when you 994 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: appeel the layer back, it's an industry of construction and 995 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: engineering and those have just historically been male dominated. So 996 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: it is something that needs to you know, needs attention 997 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: and needs to be focused on. And I've certainly over 998 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: the thirteen years seen a change. You know, you do 999 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: see more women coming in. I think a lot of 1000 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: it's the investment in STEM education and awareness about it generally. 1001 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: Probably also just more of you know, I think a 1002 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: lot of people are interested in working clean talks, So 1003 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's factors that are all contributing, 1004 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: but it is something that we focus on as a company, 1005 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 1: and so we do have. When we signed the United 1006 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: Nations Global Compact, we signed on to you the concept 1007 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: is making a better world by twenty thirty, and so 1008 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: we signed on to corporate goals, and one of our 1009 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: corporate goals is to increase female leadership within our company. 1010 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: So we've got a five year goal and a ten 1011 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: year goal, so we are we are focused on it 1012 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,800 Speaker 1: and driving towards those targets. 1013 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 2: That's amazing. And have you found the industry generally is 1014 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 2: kind of becoming more aware of getting you know, women 1015 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,320 Speaker 2: in STEM involved in especially saying your leadership like actually 1016 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 2: progressing all the way out, not just like entering the industry. 1017 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,760 Speaker 1: I think there's awareness. I think progress is slow because 1018 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: you've got you know, if you're looking up at like 1019 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: the upper levels of leadership, that takes time. It takes 1020 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: time to grow and mentor and promote leaders from within, 1021 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,919 Speaker 1: or you can hire them in, you know, but there's 1022 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: a lot of attention that has to be put there. 1023 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: But no, as I mentioned, I think it is awareness 1024 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: is certainly there, and you know, there is progress compared 1025 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 1: to when I joined at two thousand town. But it 1026 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: is just counterintuitive that an industry like solar would kind 1027 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: of struggle with us. 1028 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 2: And given that you sort of have started in twenty ten, 1029 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 2: gone to twenty twenty, and then looking ahead now, particularly 1030 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 2: with more of like a leadership role where you can 1031 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 2: actually drive kind of the outcomes that will be talking 1032 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 2: about in twenty thirty, what would you love to see? 1033 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,799 Speaker 2: I mean for a very small company, you guys have 1034 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,879 Speaker 2: so many goal Like looking at the sort of sustainability goals, 1035 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 2: they cover everything. It's not just supply chain, it's not 1036 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 2: just partners you'd like to work with. I mean, you're 1037 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,920 Speaker 2: already doing amazing things, not just in space, but like 1038 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 2: in the Antarctic. Like I think people think like, oh, 1039 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 2: I'm a consumer, I'll by solar panels, but then there's 1040 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 2: also some power maxim solar panels like on glaciers, Like 1041 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 2: it's so cool. By twenty thirty, what would be some 1042 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,799 Speaker 2: things you'd really love to see for you guys and 1043 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 2: the industry like the direction you wanted to sort of 1044 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 2: take in the next couple of years. 1045 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's so many cool things happening with 1046 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: solar you know, I do think and I don't know 1047 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: if it's by twenty thirty, but yeah, for in the future, 1048 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: you'll look back and say, like a solar panel, like. 1049 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 2: You know, it's like that thing you don't put on 1050 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 2: a roof. 1051 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,800 Speaker 1: Whereas you know, a lot of the innovations around incorporation 1052 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 1: into materials, and you know, the Sun's everywhere, the Sun's 1053 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: energy is everywhere. It's so abundant and simple that I 1054 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: just love learning about the technology of really kind of 1055 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 1: more incorporating it into everyday life and the possibilities that 1056 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,839 Speaker 1: you have with that. You know, there's a lot it's 1057 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,440 Speaker 1: a very small industry right now, but there's a lot 1058 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 1: of automakers that are looking at how they're building solar 1059 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: cells into the bodies of the cars. Like it's you know, 1060 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:44,360 Speaker 1: I think it's going to. 1061 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 2: Be fun cool to say it become like more of 1062 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 2: a default rather than a whole new, brand new thing 1063 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 2: that's like other to just sort of like it's in 1064 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 2: my roof already. Like it's built into my room. My 1065 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 2: roof came with these. 1066 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah are your windows you know, I mean yeah roads, 1067 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: And I think it'll become a lot more you know, 1068 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: ubiquitous and other materials. So it's fun to think about. 1069 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,320 Speaker 2: Well, lindsay, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom 1070 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 2: and passion. And it's just amazing to see the things 1071 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 2: that the company is doing. But to finish up, it 1072 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 2: would be remissive me in a podcast about joy not 1073 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 2: to ask. Obviously, your job and the industry brings you 1074 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,719 Speaker 2: so much joy, which often makes it hard to make 1075 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,399 Speaker 2: any time for joy outside of that. But I think 1076 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 2: no one can go full steam ahead at one thing 1077 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 2: and not kind of have brain time that's relaxing and 1078 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 2: not related to productivity and work. So when you're playing 1079 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 2: and just switching off, what are you doing? Which I 1080 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 2: can imagine is hard because it all involves energy, But 1081 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 2: how do you switch your brain off and just like 1082 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 2: enjoy yourself. 1083 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,799 Speaker 1: If I totally want to switch off and you know, 1084 00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: kind of I dance? 1085 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,840 Speaker 2: I love that. What kind of dancing? 1086 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: Just dancing? I mean that's the thing. It's like, so 1087 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: it's not very frequent, but you know, if you for me, 1088 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: that's like a way to kind of escape time and space. 1089 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: I love that, But more frequently it's things like going 1090 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 1: on a run or do you know, doing some physical activities, 1091 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,359 Speaker 1: probably the general But. 1092 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 2: Dance is the fun. Dance is the fun answer. And 1093 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 2: what about your favorite quote? Do you have a favorite 1094 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 2: motivational quote? 1095 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so I've got two, but they're very short, so 1096 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: don't worry. 1097 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 2: You know, I will have as many as you've got them. 1098 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,439 Speaker 1: My favorite you've probably heard them before then because they're 1099 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 1: not that unique. But one. So it's funny that this 1100 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: came up because I a couple of weeks ago was 1101 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: going through some really old stuff of mine and you know, 1102 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: kind of reminiscing a little bit, and I found this 1103 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: journal from when I was in university. I studied a 1104 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: proud a few times, and I would travel a lot, 1105 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: and apparently I liked quotes. 1106 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 2: I don't remember this at all. 1107 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 1: So I was reading a few of the quotes and 1108 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 1: there's two that really jumped out of me. Is motivational. 1109 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: One is that a bumble bee's wings are so thin 1110 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: and their body is so big that they shouldn't be 1111 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 1: able to fly. The only problem is that bumblebee doesn't 1112 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,319 Speaker 1: know that, which I really love is David Lindsay, he's 1113 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 1: like an old and then which and I'll tell you why. 1114 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: These two I think kind of go together. And then 1115 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: the other one is you survived one hundred thousand sperm 1116 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 1: to get here? What do you mean you don't know 1117 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:34,960 Speaker 1: what to do? 1118 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 2: That's so good? 1119 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: And I really like them both because I think, like 1120 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: the first one is really I think it's helpful to 1121 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 1: be a little bit oblivious as to your barriers and 1122 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,359 Speaker 1: like what you know, I think going back to our 1123 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about with women and kind 1124 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,239 Speaker 1: of just taking a leap, like don't overthink it, you know, 1125 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,359 Speaker 1: like it's kind of good if you don't actually know 1126 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: if there's any barriers or if there's any risks, and 1127 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 1: you know what people think, kind of just a little 1128 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 1: bit of it's like blind faith. And then I like 1129 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: the one hundred thousand sperm one too because it's like 1130 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: you it's confidence too, like you know what to do. 1131 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, if you're making this decision, you know what 1132 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: to do. So I think it's a little bit of 1133 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: just taking the leap and a little bit of confidence 1134 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: and you'll get there. 1135 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,640 Speaker 2: I also love that We started with I've been fascinated 1136 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 2: by the planet and nature since i was born, and 1137 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 2: then we finish with a bumble baby and and sperm 1138 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 2: and reproductive system statistics. It all, it all marries up 1139 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 2: so beautifully. Yeah, wonderful circle. Well, Lindsay, thank you so 1140 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. This was an absolute delight, 1141 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 2: and it's it's such a privilege to be involved with 1142 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 2: some power and Maxian and to be continuing to share 1143 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,439 Speaker 2: the journey as we sort of get our first power 1144 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 2: bill in a couple of days and reflect on, you know, 1145 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 2: the first couple of months, and then continue to learn. 1146 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 2: I think there's so much to learn and share on 1147 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 2: this electrification journey and I'm hooked now, like I need 1148 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 2: to calm down on reading reports at night. 1149 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: Well, I'm very happy to hear that, and it's been 1150 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: a real honor for me to be on your podcast. 1151 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for having me, and I 1152 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: wish you the best of luck on your next journey. 1153 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be exciting, so we'll be thinking of 1154 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: you and cheering for you. 1155 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,280 Speaker 2: What an incredibly inspiring woman. I enjoyed this chat so much. 1156 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 2: As you guys know, it's not often that we get 1157 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 2: guests that I haven't spoken to in depth before, and 1158 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 2: I kind of love that we're all finding out about 1159 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 2: this new human being and this new pathway altogether at 1160 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,560 Speaker 2: the same time. So I hope you guys enjoyed as 1161 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,480 Speaker 2: much as I did. I will pop links to somepower 1162 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 2: so you can find out more in all the show notes. 1163 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 2: Of course, you'll be following along with our journey as 1164 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 2: well as we learn more about what having solo power involves. 1165 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 2: We've got an update on our latest energy bill as well, 1166 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 2: coming for you guys on socials, so keep an eye 1167 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 2: out for that. Meantime, I hope you are all celebrating 1168 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 2: each other, celebrating the incredible women around you and in 1169 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 2: your lives. 1170 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 3: Again. 1171 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,919 Speaker 2: Happy International Women's Day. I hope you're seasing your yay 1172 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 2: this week, and we will be back next week with 1173 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:14,280 Speaker 2: more