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Speaker 2: To be honest, and it probably sounds like I'm trying

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Speaker 2: I think sport in essence, and you know, even though

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Speaker 2: my career. But I suppose I guess I haven't really

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Speaker 2: to have our own identity in the sense that we

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Speaker 2: don't constantly compare female athletes, particularly in team sports, to

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Speaker 2: way that their competitions go, because I think inherently, yeah,

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Speaker 2: one of the great things about life is men and

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the c's the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing we work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: ex the stories of.

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Speaker 3: Those who found lives.

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Speaker 1: They adore the good, bad and ugly.

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Speaker 3: The best and worst.

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Speaker 1: Day will bear all the facets of seizing your yea.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found

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Speaker 1: matcha Maiden and matcha Milkbar. Sez the Ya is a

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Speaker 1: series of conversations on finding a life you love and

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Speaker 1: exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 1: If you're a cricket fan, you'll certainly appreciate how incredible

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Speaker 1: today's guest is. But even if you're not, I have

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Speaker 1: no doubt that you'll very soon understand how remarkably well adjusted, humble,

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Speaker 1: and untainted Elice Perry is for someone who has been

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Speaker 1: an elite international athlete since the tender age of sixteen,

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Speaker 1: when she made her debut into the Australian team. Whether

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Speaker 1: elite athletes in any field facing credible pressures and expectations,

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Speaker 1: as well as the ups and downs that fame and

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Speaker 1: how level headed Elise has remained, and how endearing her

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Speaker 1: too many accolades to list, but to give you some

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Speaker 1: And she has continued to absolutely flourish, becoming a leading

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Speaker 1: Despite her great success, she has such a refreshing attitude

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned just before we started recording that we're a

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Speaker 1: So before we kick off every episode, I start with

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Speaker 3: And you're like, you eat apples really loudly.

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Speaker 1: even then you were able to just be in the

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Speaker 1: moment and not over analyze everything, and my brain would

439
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Speaker 1: automatically just be so stressed about you know, I think

440
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Speaker 1: there's something about when you do achieve really high heights that.

441
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Speaker 3: Then you've got to keep up with that.

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Speaker 1: And then you mentioned before that winning hasn't always been

443
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Speaker 1: your kind of north star and your metric of valuing yourself.

444
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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people would find that

445
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Speaker 1: really difficult to then move into a professional arena where

446
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Speaker 1: everything is about winning and everything is about performance and success.

447
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like you've been able to keep a

448
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Speaker 1: really good head on your shoulders because you've been called

449
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Speaker 1: the greatest player we've ever seen. Like that's a really

450
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Speaker 1: heavy burden to carry on your shoulders.

451
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Speaker 2: At seventeen, I certainly wasn't anywhere near that discussion. At seventeen,

452
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Speaker 2: I was very wrong. Yeah, Like I think obviously like

453
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Speaker 2: winning and being successful in most things, but like particularly

454
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: sport is a huge part of it. And I don't

455
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Speaker 2: mean to downplay that, but I think that's that's kind

456
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: of like the product or the end result of everything

457
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 2: else you do. And I think I've just always enjoyed

458
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Speaker 2: the process towards that. Like I like knowing that I've

459
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Speaker 2: really worked hard at something, or I've really thought about

460
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Speaker 2: something and analyzed and changed it, and then you know,

461
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Speaker 2: spent time doing that because I think it's going to

462
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: be successful. Yeah, and doing that with other people is

463
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: always really enjoyable. So I guess like for me, that's

464
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Speaker 2: that's what I really value, is like the process of

465
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Speaker 2: it and going through all of that. But yeah, I

466
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Speaker 2: guess ultimately you do it too be successful, and you know,

467
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: based off plenty of experience, when you're not successful, what

468
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: it sucks, But I think you always learn from it too,

469
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Speaker 2: and that is the beauty about sport. There's always a

470
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Speaker 2: new competition and another one coming around the corner, so yeah,

471
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: there's always a chance to move on pretty quickly. But yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: I think that's just that's sort of how I am motivated.

473
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Speaker 2: It's like, and that's not necessarily right or wrong. It's

474
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Speaker 2: just works for me. You know. Like there's other people

475
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Speaker 2: who I play with or against who are just like

476
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: ultra competitive beasts and wouldn't matter if it's like a

477
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: game of handboarder warm up or something like that, they've

478
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: got to win that yeah, they have to win everything

479
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: at training in life, Like you know, there's some people

480
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: that just thrive off competition and winning and that works

481
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Speaker 2: for them, But I think for me, that's that's a

482
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: little bit too intense and too much, so I'd prefer

483
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Speaker 2: to focus on, like I guess, other things most of

484
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Speaker 2: the time.

485
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Speaker 1: Like that so much because I think what actually makes

486
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Speaker 1: me so fascinated to create this podcast, and what I

487
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: love to explore in the conversations is that we are

488
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: all motivated by different things. We do all gain fulfillment

489
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: and satisfaction from different things, and the main thing is

490
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: just to find out what that is for yourself, rather

491
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Speaker 1: than using other people's measures to kind of measure yourself.

492
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Speaker 1: And I love that you kind of know that that's

493
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Speaker 1: that hyper competitiveness isn't your thing, and that's not necessarily

494
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: the path that brings you the most joy in what

495
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Speaker 1: you're doing. So I think that's a really valuable demonstration

496
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Speaker 1: of how different people, even in the same team, can

497
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: be driven by different outcomes and their process is different

498
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Speaker 1: from like an outsider's perspective. Assume that some of the

499
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Speaker 1: listeners haven't been converted to the joys of cricket yet

500
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: and don't actually.

501
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Speaker 2: Understand you lose, I'd do what i'd say, sorry, ask

502
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Speaker 2: your question.

503
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Speaker 1: So what does your season look like? There's so many

504
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: different formats like WBBL the twenty twenty. You know, quickly

505
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: run us through what your life as a cricketer is,

506
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: like how do you train? You know, what's your training regime?

507
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: Like I know your daddy is actually your coach?

508
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course. Well I haven't been a practice

509
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: in this question because it's pretty much like talking to

510
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: my school friends who have absolutely no idea about cricket

511
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: and definitely don't want to know about it either, which

512
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: I absolutely love. So it's quite funny time every time

513
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: we catch up, pretty much goes through explaining it all

514
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: over again, but in a really good way. It's really

515
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: nice because yeah, they sort of know me is just

516
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: the dag that went they went to school with, rather

517
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Speaker 2: than someone who plays cricket. But anyway, I digress. Yeah, so,

518
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Speaker 2: well it's evolved a lot for us in the last

519
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Speaker 2: couple of years especially, but yeah, as you kind of

520
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Speaker 2: mentioned this, so there's three different formats of cricket. One's

521
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Speaker 2: quite short and one's really long. So T twenty or

522
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty cricket. That's the short one that goes through

523
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Speaker 2: about three hours. And yeah, the Big Bash is like

524
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Speaker 2: the Australian version of that, probably our biggest competition locally

525
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: every year. So I play for the Sydney Sixers in

526
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Speaker 2: that and there's about eight teams from around the country

527
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Speaker 2: who will compete and it's really awesome actually it's been

528
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Speaker 2: massive in developing our sport. And then there's One Day cricket,

529
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Speaker 2: so that's fifty because that goes from a six hours

530
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Speaker 2: so whole day and in that I play for Victoria

531
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Speaker 2: and then obviously if I'm representing Australia we play that

532
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Speaker 2: format and then Test Match cricket, which women don't play

533
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Speaker 2: a lot of at the moment, but that's four days

534
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Speaker 2: of cricket so it's like one day match four days

535
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: in a row pretty much. So yeah, yeah, it's a

536
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: time consuming sport. But yeah, in terms of training, we

537
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Speaker 2: train most days. The Australian contracted players are all full

538
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: time professionals, so we know we train most most days

539
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Speaker 2: if we're not on tour, which would probably spend about

540
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Speaker 2: six months of the year touring now at least. But

541
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Speaker 2: if we're not on tour, we're in our home states

542
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Speaker 2: or up in Brisbane on camps, which is where out

543
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Speaker 2: National Creet Center is so kind of do stuff. Yeah,

544
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Speaker 2: most days, and during the Australian summer we play on

545
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: the weekends most of the time, so you sort of

546
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Speaker 2: train a week and then playing most weekends and that's

547
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: pretty much pricky in a nutshell really from a physical

548
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Speaker 2: point of view. Yeah, so it's really cool because it's

549
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Speaker 2: not the average nine to five job. I suppose, it's

550
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Speaker 2: pretty sporadic and every year changes, like there's some set competitions,

551
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Speaker 2: but you know, where we tour around the world changes

552
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Speaker 2: every year. During our winter, often overseas, whether that's in

553
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Speaker 2: the Subcontinent or England or somewhere like the West Indies. Yeah,

554
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Speaker 2: we sort of we travel a fair bit with that,

555
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Speaker 2: and then during our summer a lot of it is

556
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: played locally, which is pretty cool and undadly one of

557
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Speaker 2: the biggest highlights or things I value the most having

558
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: played for a while is getting to see so much

559
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Speaker 2: of Australia and just how amazing our country is. So yeah,

560
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Speaker 2: I've loved that side of it, and it probably is

561
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Speaker 2: the only sport in Australia that is truly national in

562
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Speaker 2: terms of teams from just about everywhere. So yeah, that's

563
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: been really cool.

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Speaker 1: the show. I think people underestimate the athleticism of cricket

590
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: and like just how fast, Like if anyone has tried

591
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: to actually bowl a ball and then look at the

592
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: stats of how fast you guys actually bowled the ball,

593
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: we would all dis look at our shoulders if we

594
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: tried to bowl as fast as you guys do. And

595
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Speaker 1: then of course when you're batting, you're running, like you're

596
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: not running all the time, but you're also running. So yeah,

597
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: what kind of training other than just playing cricket, Like,

598
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Speaker 1: what kind of training are you guys doing, because I

599
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: think people think you're just playing cricket over and over.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like a pretty highly skilled based sport,

601
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: so batting, bowling and fielding. But yeah, particularly with twenty

602
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: twenty cricket coming in. So the shorter version, it's evolved

603
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: a lot because that's played a much higher intensity and

604
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: probably requires a bit more athleticism to do. So, so yeah,

605
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: we do like quite a lot of running, whether that's

606
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: like speed training or more fitness based running, as well

607
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: as like quite a lot of gym. Actually, I think

608
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: in terms of team sports and field based sports, would

609
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: probably be one of the sports that does the most

610
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: amount of gym, barring some of the rugby codes I reckon.

611
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's reasonably important, whether that's to be like

612
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: strong enough to support yourself when you're trying to bowl

613
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: fast or strong enough to hit the ball as far

614
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: and as hard as you want to. So yeah, I

615
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: mean there's a pretty cool physical aspect to it, and

616
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: I guess you couple that with coordination and trying to

617
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: execute skills and it makes it them, Yeah, a pretty

618
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: enjoyable game.

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Speaker 1: When I like every time I watch the cricket and

620
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: you can see the speed of each person's bowl, I'm

621
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Speaker 1: just like the fact that you can even see that

622
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: coming at you, like when you're sad here. They're really

623
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: hard balls. They go like hundreds of an hour. It

624
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: is actually petrifying. Like watching from a distance, it looks

625
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: much easier than I'm sure it is. But how did

626
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: you even see that coming at you? You must have

627
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: such precision reflexes.

628
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just amazing what the human body

629
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: is capable of adapting to really, like like anything. For sure,

630
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: Like I would absolutely struggle if I got put on

631
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: a rugby field and someone ran at me and try

632
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Speaker 2: and try and tackle them, or yeah, well let's not

633
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: go there.

634
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Speaker 3: You should absolutely do dancing with the stars.

635
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's one way to embarrass from the entire nation.

636
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: But like someone checked a pair of skis as well,

637
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: that would be like watching Bambi on ice too. So yeah,

638
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: that always fascinates me about sport. I think, like just

639
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: how quickly we adapt to things as humans. It's pretty amazing.

640
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: And certainly, like even with fast bawling right like you

641
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: haven't faced it for a while, it's pretty scary to

642
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: go back and get in front of it as a

643
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: better but it's amazing how quickly like you kind of

644
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: just sharpen your senses to it and your reflexes and

645
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: all those things. Again, all the time it feels like normal,

646
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: but definitely at the start of every season, you're like,

647
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: oh my god, a cop a few.

648
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Speaker 3: Do you always have bruises?

649
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Speaker 1: Like do you walk around with bruises for the first

650
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Speaker 1: little part of the Yeah.

651
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Speaker 2: You often get hit like somewhere in the legs at

652
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Speaker 2: some point all this done, you can always say, like

653
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Speaker 2: when someone's copped one, because there's normally a pretty good

654
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: cricket ball size bruise on one of their sighs. So

655
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: that's just part and Parcel I guess.

656
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: And we talked before about how wonderfully the timing has

657
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: worked out that as you progressing through life, the women's

658
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: sports landscape was also progressing to allow you to access

659
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: more and more things. And I think you played in

660
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: the first ever Women's World twenty twenty that didn't exist before.

661
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: Like there's new games and competitions opening all the time.

662
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: What's your big vision for women's sport and women's cricket

663
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: and what does it mean to you to be a

664
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: role model for young sportswomen because I think you really are.

665
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: You're like cover of women's health that you're increasingly influencing

666
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: younger women to believe they can go full time where

667
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: they once wouldn't have been able.

668
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: To Yeah, my big vision I suppose for me, like

669
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: I think it is that women's sport in Australia and

670
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: like and globally as well. But I suppose I'm a

671
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: little bit like patriotic when it comes to this stuff.

672
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: So women's sport in Australia holds a really firm and

673
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: strong place, I guess in the sporting landscape, but with

674
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: its own identity. I think something that is really important

675
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: for us is, like, I think we have to have

676
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: our own identity in the sense that we don't constantly

677
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: compare female athletes, particularly in team sports, to male counterparts

678
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: and the way that they play or the way that

679
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: their competitions go, because I think inherently, yeah, one of

680
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: the great things about life is as men and women

681
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: are really different, you know, so the way that we

682
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: approach and play sport is inherently different to the way

683
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: men do, even if you're playing technically the same game.

684
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: So I think, and that's definitely like, the more people

685
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: are tuning in and watching and the more exposure that

686
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: women's sport is getting, people are really kind of learning

687
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: those nuances and starting to love women's sport for what

688
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: it brings to the table. And its own identity, rather

689
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: than constantly comparing it to men's sports. So I think

690
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: for me that would be great if ultimately it is

691
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: just its own thing and it stands on its own feet,

692
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: and you know, the tickets that we sell or the

693
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: broadcast deals that we produce, or know, the revenue that

694
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: is derived from women's sport is at a level where

695
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: I guess it supports and funds itself and is a

696
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: genuine revenue maker for whatever organization runs that sport to

697
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: I suppose that's kind of like the ultimate goal. I

698
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: think that would be being credible for female athletes and

699
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: for sport in general. Yeah, and I don't know how

700
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: long that would take. I think it will definitely happen.

701
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: But it's been built on some really strong foundations. I'm

702
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: probably now only speaking from a very cricket centric point

703
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: of view, but I think it's been built on some

704
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: really strong foundations and a lot of progress over lots

705
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: and lots of years, and I think that will just

706
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: keep going. And you know, certainly having been involved in

707
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: this level for fourteen years and seeing the change and

708
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: just the amount of young girls that now come to

709
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: our matches, and it's not even just young girls as

710
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: young boys as well. I absolutely love being there. They

711
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 2: know all the players, they want to meet them after

712
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: the game for an autograph, and all those kinds of things.

713
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: I think is really exciting and promising. And yeah, I

714
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: guess those young kids in ten years time are going

715
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: to be eighteen and nineteen, and hopefully the way that

716
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: they look at the sport is through that lens of

717
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: just being its own thing and enjoyable for what it

718
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: is and not needing to be compared to men's sport.

719
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: I really really like that you brought that up, because

720
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: I think in all areas of equality, often we try

721
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: and suppress our differences. And I think a lot of

722
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: people interpret gender equality as like men and women must

723
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: be the same. But I actually don't really think that

724
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: that's necessarily what we should be aiming for, because that

725
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: ignores the reasons why we're different in a good way,

726
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: and that does ignore the nuances of how we're meant

727
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: to be different from each other. Otherwise they'd only be

728
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: one gender. There's strength and weaknesses in being men and women,

729
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: and of course we want to achieve substance for quality,

730
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that everything has to look the

731
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: same that it can stand on its own feet, and

732
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I love that. I think that's really important to emphasize

733
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: is it's not about comparing between the two types. It's

734
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: about women's sport in itself being able to shine as.

735
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: Its own thing.

736
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: What about the fact that I think also in women's sport,

737
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: it can be hard to find your femininity because so

738
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: many successful role models out there do have, you know,

739
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: stories of being a tomboy at school and loving sport

740
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: and always being kind of ascribed that tomboy category of personality.

741
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: But sometimes you go to the women's Sport awards and

742
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: you put on a beautiful gown and like you kind

743
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: of like you're in sports clothes all the time, so

744
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: you don't get to necessarily express the feminine side of yourself.

745
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Do you find that's hard? Like people project cera and

746
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: things on you, like you're always going to be the tomboy,

747
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: and then when you're address it's like a really big deal,

748
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Like how do you navi get that side of your identity?

749
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. I've probably been asked

750
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: in that way before. Think certainly, like when I was

751
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: growing up, when I played cricket and soccer, like I'd

752
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: been an all boys team in an all boys camp,

753
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: and it was a bit of a novelty to have

754
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: a girl and your team. You know, if there was

755
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: another girl in the competition or another team, it was

756
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: like whoa, like there's another one, which is a bit

757
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: like like I loved it at the time and it

758
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: never phased me, but I can see how that is

759
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 2: is really daunting for a lot of young girls. Whereas

760
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: I think now all those sports are so much more

761
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: mainstream in terms of being accessible to young girls. And

762
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: a big part of that is that sporting organizations realize

763
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: that for them to continue to be viable and operate

764
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: and be popular, like, they've got to appeal to one

765
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: hundred percent of the population. I think typically like sports

766
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: like cricket and soccer, you know, and rugby and AFL

767
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: and all those kinds of games just really ignored like

768
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the population or you know, their female

769
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: audience because it just took for granted that the male

770
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: participation was enough of the game. Whereas now I think

771
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: there's such an emphasis on including more females in sport,

772
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: whether that's as players or volunteers or officials or working

773
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: as executives in high I placed roles in organizing sport

774
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. It's it's so much, yeah choice,

775
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: but to mainstream. And I think that whole notion of

776
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: like stereotyping females involved in typically male dominated sports as

777
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: tomboys or yeah, not feminine or not girly has definitely evolved,

778
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: which is nice because I think it's well for me anyway.

779
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: I really really value the fact that I can can

780
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: use my body, you know, in an athletic way, and

781
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: I guess be a bit rough and pumble, throw myself around,

782
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: dive and end up with bruises and barmps and knocks,

783
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: and tie my hairback and not worry about makeup all

784
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. But I also love being feminine

785
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: as well, and putting on a nice dress or clothes

786
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: and going out with friends or yeah, that side of

787
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: what is you know, being a woman like that's really

788
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: important too. So I think there's a great mix now

789
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: and certainly going forward that will be more and more evident.

790
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: Even like looking at I guess the demographic of our

791
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: team at the moment, I think it's evolved so much

792
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 2: as like you've got people coming from so many different

793
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: walks of life now, whereas before it's probably quite homogeneous

794
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: and in terms of like where we all came from,

795
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: whereas now like there's so many different backgrounds and values

796
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: and cultures and interests outside of the sport that it

797
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: is really nice because people can maintain their own identity

798
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: and it's really welcoming, which is cool.

799
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: I think it's such an exciting time now in the

800
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: next couple of decades for women's sport because of that

801
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: increased level of diversity, which means there's so many more

802
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: opportunities and yeah, it's incredibly incredibly exciting time.

803
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: What about some of the biggest challenges for you along

805
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: the way? This section is called in ata, which is

806
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: pretty much just all the barriers that you're face to

807
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: your joy along the way, like imposter syndrome, being so young,

808
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: and wondering like how did I get here? Burnout, like

809
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: looking at your schedule even in the next couple of

810
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: weeks you're in New Zealand when you're playing New Zealand,

811
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: and then you've got the WBBL and then Australia versus

812
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: India and then the World Cup. Like the games that

813
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: are rolling out and expecting you to perform.

814
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: Like your schedules hectic, so has.

815
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Burnout being a factor and injury and then yeah, any

816
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: any other things that have kind of challenged you along

817
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: the way.

818
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always think I've been very, very fortunate with

819
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: this stuff, to the point where I probably feel a

820
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: little bit guilty because I just think I've had the

821
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: most amazing and smooth journey with most of it.

822
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: Because you're resilient, there hasn't been any problems.

823
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, certainly, like the support that I've had your

824
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: first and foremost I've mentioned a few times, most family,

825
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: Mom and Dad had been amazing, you know, various coaches

826
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: along the way and people that I've just met through

827
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: sport have you know, either become really really close friends

828
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: or its mentors. Has made a big impact. And I

829
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: think for me, especially with sport, yes, it's important, but

830
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: I guess like we're never ever playing for sheep stations,

831
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: so it's meant that like when things don't go your way,

832
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, or you get an injury, or you lose

833
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: a game, or don't get selected, or someone's annoying it,

834
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: whatever it is, like at the end of the day,

835
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't matter that much. And I remember

836
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: my mum said something to me a long time ago

837
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: when we were driving to a school primary school swimming carnival,

838
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: when I was so nervous, like I didn't want to go,

839
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: was sort of in tears, like just so nervous and

840
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: worried about the outcome, and she was like, no one's

841
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: going to remember the next day if you win or

842
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: you come last. Like they don't wake up next morning

843
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: and the first thing they think, I've all the least

844
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: game last. Like she was totally crap, And that's exactly

845
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: the same at this level, Like even if I, I

846
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: don't know, made the most horrific mistake and lost the

847
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: game for the team, no one is waking up the

848
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: next morning, and that's the first thing they think of

849
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: except for me, because You're just not that important and

850
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: it's just not that important. And I think, like that's

851
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: always kind of stuck in the back of my mind somewhere,

852
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: and maybe in a way I've used its comfort a

853
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: lot of the time, especially when I am feeling anxious

854
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: or nervous or whatever, that it's just not that important.

855
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have a really answer question.

856
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: That like, no, not at all.

857
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a really hard one, But I think

858
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like your parents have given you or helped

859
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: you develop a really healthy relationship with winning and losing

860
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: and not letting your whole identity be too wrapped up

861
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: in like the highs and the lows, or the injuries,

862
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: or your ability to perform yeah and have output. Isn't

863
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: something that kind of leaves you feeling like you're not

864
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: worthy or anything.

865
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose not, I think, yeah. And that's not

866
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: to say that I haven't had problem meltdowns at training sessions,

867
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: especially with Dad at the local nets, like throwing a

868
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: bat or being an absolute brat like that. Stuff definitely happens.

869
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: But I think maybe at the heart of it is

870
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: that there's a big difference between confidence and belief in

871
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: my mind, and confidence is quite fleeting, and it comes

872
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: and goes, and sometimes you're really confident, sometimes you know,

873
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: you really doubt yourself. But at the heart of it,

874
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: I think is that if you have an innate self

875
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: belief in you and what you're doing, and you know

876
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: that somewhere along the line it'll come good or you're

877
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: capable of it, and you just got to stick at it.

878
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: I think if you can maintain that that self belief,

879
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: even if your confidence is a bit down, it makes

880
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: getting through things that are a bit tough or challenging

881
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: a lot easier. I think I've.

882
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Never made that distinction before, but I think that's a

883
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: really good one, because you can have a fleeting sense

884
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: like a boost of confidence and then lose it but

885
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: still believing yourself overall.

886
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: That's really interesting.

887
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: What about the fact that I love that idea that

888
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: your mum taught you about?

889
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: It's not that important. I think.

890
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Another thing I remind myself of all the time is

891
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: no one care.

892
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: What was it?

893
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: It's like written on a mug that I've got. It's

894
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: like no one. Oh my god, I can't even remember

895
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: it now. But something about how no one's thinking about

896
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: you in a good way, or no one care, no

897
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: one's watching what you're doing in a good way. The thing, though,

898
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: when you get really famous and successful is that some

899
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: people are watching what you're doing. And particularly from as

900
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: younger age as you were propelled onto the global scene.

901
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: Have you found being on social media, being in the

902
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: media and that kind of level of connection that this

903
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: digital world allows, has that been hard to navigate or like,

904
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: have you felt overconnected at times, or like I find

905
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: sometimes outward obligations to do interviews and stuff I can

906
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: find really exhausting sometimes and it's not even close to

907
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: the scale that you would have that. How do you

908
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: navigate your energy and connectedness?

909
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, I think that's something probably in the last

910
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: couple of years, especially that I've really grappled with. Social

911
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: media for me is a really easy one because I

912
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: kind of in a lot of ways have removed myself

913
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: from that.

914
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like don't do it not, Yeah.

915
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It doesn't really do it for me. I guess,

916
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: like I don't really enjoy scrolling through news feeds. You know.

917
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of accounts that I sort of

918
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: used to stay in touch with people that I don't

919
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: see a lot, and really like if they put up

920
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: a post and it like grabs my attention, then like

921
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: that's kind of a reminder to message them and check

922
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: in or you know, see how they're going or whatever

923
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: that is. But in general, as a means of connecting

924
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: with fans or people I don't don't know, I think

925
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: I find it a little bit it tricky because you're

926
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: really just presenting an image a lot of the time

927
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: and that's I think for me, that would be really exhausting.

928
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: And I'm not I'm not particularly good with technology, so

929
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: and I don't I'm not one of those people that

930
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: kind of thinks in the head of the moment, oh,

931
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: get my phone out and take a photo, that I'll

932
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: take a picture. I think I'm a bit old school

933
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: like that. So yeah, from a social media point of view, like,

934
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: I haven't found that hard, Like I don't delve into

935
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: people leaving comments on stuff and all that kind of thing.

936
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: In saying that, like, I know, I've just sort of

937
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: canned it all. I think it's a great tool, and

938
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: I think some people use it amazingly. Well, I just

939
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: it's not It's not me. So there's that. But I

940
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: think from a general media point of view, I yeah,

941
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: I really grappled with it because I guess I feel

942
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: like my my job, even though it's not really a job,

943
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: but my job is to be a professional athlete or

944
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: sports person, and I'm very willingly kind of taken on

945
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: that responsibility and that all that comes with that. I've

946
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: signed up for that. I guess what I feel like

947
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: I haven't signed up for is anything that is outside

948
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: the realm of doing my job. So like you know,

949
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: your private life, for your personal life, your family life,

950
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: things that people feel like they have a right to

951
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: know because you're in the media. Because yeah, and all

952
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: I guess the time demands that then people put on

953
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: you all the things that they ask of you because

954
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: I think or assume maybe that you really enjoy doing

955
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. Yeah, is a tricky one. And women's sports

956
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: in such an interesting place as well, where we don't

957
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: really reliant on coverage and the media and continual promotions

958
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: the sport for it to do well and keep growing.

959
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: But where do you draw the wine with that? And

960
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 2: I think one of the great appeals of women's sport

961
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: at the moment is that all the athletes, I guess

962
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: don't have that really polished media training or answers to things.

963
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: It's much more authentic and genuine and probably less guarded

964
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: than what male sport is because we haven't been exposed

965
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 2: to it for so many years. Yeah, so I supposely, Yeah,

966
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of a ramble, but that's kind of what

967
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: I've definitely grappled with because I'm not an outward person.

968
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 2: I'm quite shy or intrinsically. Yeah, pretty introverted. So yeah,

969
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: it's really interesting. One some people love it again, like

970
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: a difference in people being competitive or not. Like there's

971
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: girls out seen that absolutely love it and they thrive

972
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: off and they get energy from doing those kinds of things.

973
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: I think for me, I find it really draining and

974
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: sometimes like really confronting. So yeah, anyway, that's part of

975
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: it though, And you know, I think you just got

976
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: to learn what, yeah, what you're comfortable with, and what

977
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: your boundaries are spose and how do you maintain the

978
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: integrity of that.

979
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Totally And that leads really nicely to the last little section,

980
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: which is called Plata, which is pretty consistent with that

981
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: theme of just knowing yourself and finding the things that

982
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: drain your energy and then finding the things that refuel

983
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: your energy. And the most important part about play is

984
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: it has to be something that doesn't necessarily relate to

985
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: cricket or your vocation, because I think we all need

986
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: a break from the thing that we do and that

987
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: is our job. You know, we're human beings, not human doings,

988
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: and you need to make time for the things that

989
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: make you forget what the time is or sure what

990
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: obligations are. So what do you do for play, do

991
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: you watch TV?

992
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: Do you read?

993
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: I love that idea of like forgetting what the time is.

994
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: I think that's anything that kind of you get so

995
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: absorbed in that you lose track of time is worthwhile doing.

996
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: But for me, I love the outdoors and being active.

997
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: So if I'm not training, I still like kind of

998
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: training outdoors and being a part of it. Yeah, but

999
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: I like doing it with it. I love doing it

1000
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: with other people. I think when I'm by myself, I

1001
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: don't probably enjoy it as much, but totally like going

1002
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: camping and like making the most of some of the

1003
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: amazing like scenery and countryside that we have. I love

1004
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: doing that.

1005
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: Probably my later twenties, I've like discovered a real passion

1006
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: for red wine, so like just like, yeah, visiting vineyards

1007
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: and learning more and more about that has been been

1008
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 4: really cool.

1009
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Actually I've got a lot of energy from that. Why

1010
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: does that Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like just spending time

1011
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: with people but they are really close and important to me,

1012
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: I think gives me a lot of a lot of

1013
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: energy as well. Yeah, that's probably the main things. Like

1014
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: I always find I'm happy when I'm outdoors, which has

1015
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: meant the last ten days, and quarantine has been difficult,

1016
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: A little bit of a struggle, yeah, a little bit. Yeah,

1017
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: that's probably the main things.

1018
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: I love that.

1019
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: Your school friends as well, like won't have a borrough cricket,

1020
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: They're just like nah. I think that in itself is

1021
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: also really refreshing for you.

1022
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah, it's kind of funny when we

1023
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: catch up. Everyone does like such different things to another,

1024
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: and none of us understand what each other does really,

1025
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: so the light is really like crushed over. How's the cricket? Yeah,

1026
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 2: it's good things. Oh cool anyway, and then we talking

1027
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 2: about much more meaningful stuff. Yeah.

1028
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: Well, second last question, just to finish up, what are

1029
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: three interesting things about you that never come up in conversation.

1030
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: I'm terrible with these questions.

1031
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: These are the ones where I feel like you learn

1032
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: something that only housemates would know or only your parents

1033
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: would know that it just like humanizes people so much.

1034
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I gave away two of those things, like

1035
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: I don't close cupboard doors.

1036
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: That's a great one.

1037
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: Really bad with that, and often in a kitchen because yeah,

1038
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: it's like on show for everyone.

1039
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: You must do it enough to have noticed. That's a

1040
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: lot of cub doors.

1041
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: It's been pointed out to me regularly. My jaw clicks

1042
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: when I eat. Sometimes I told you that too, So

1043
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm just cheating here, and you like, I really like

1044
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: doing the washing. No, the dishwasher and the clothes washing laundry.

1045
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: I think they all that.

1046
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: The technical the are they are.

1047
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: My household jam Like, yeah, I'm all over there.

1048
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: That is so interesting.

1049
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: I think I have a mild case of OCD two

1050
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: because like, the dishwashers go perfect, you know, arranged properly,

1051
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: and then when I hang close out it's a bit

1052
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: the same.

1053
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: So that's so weird though, that you'd have like spotless

1054
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: dishes but the cupboards open. Maybe it's to show how

1055
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: spotless your dishes are inside the cupboards.

1056
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: That's true.

1057
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: Everyone, look how beautiful my dishes are. And I love

1058
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: quote so much. What's your favorite quote?

1059
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh? A few? But if everything's important, nothing is important.

1060
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: It's kind of quite relevant to sport a lot of

1061
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: the time.

1062
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 3: That's a great one.

1063
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1064
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: I also think that way about happiness. If you were

1065
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: always happy, you wouldn't know what happiness was because.

1066
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: It was I totally agree. Actually I was I'm going

1067
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: to muck this quote up, but I was reading this

1068
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: article the other day, and I was about this island

1069
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: in Greece and the people there live for a really

1070
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 2: long time.

1071
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: The carrier maybe one of the five plocasts, Yes.

1072
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: And one of the locals was quoted as saying, it's

1073
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: gonna annoy me. We can find it because it's actually like,

1074
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: if it's right here, i'll tell you it. Because there

1075
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: was something about like not living to live for a

1076
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: long time. But like, oh, I've just absolutely made it

1077
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: a hash of that.

1078
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: If the great guys listening, we're really sorry.

1079
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was such a good article. I sent it

1080
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: to my mum. Actually I'm probably not going to be

1081
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: able to remember it, but oh I've got it. Yes,

1082
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: and it's probably gonna be clearly off the market as

1083
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: to what I just said. Okay it was, is that

1084
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: what you said?

1085
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1086
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we did not try to add years to

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Speaker 2: our life. Instead we try to add life to our years.

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Speaker 3: I love that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't even get close to it before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did like that A plus for effort, babe,

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Speaker 1: apat for effort.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a new favorite which I need to commit

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Speaker 2: to memory so I don't do that again.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: This was such a pleasure, and as I mentioned, my

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Speaker 1: whole family a fangirling you. I'm fan gelling you and

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Speaker 1: it's been lovely to chat.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed chatting.

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Speaker 1: I'm still just so impressed at Halalise manages her fame

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Speaker 1: and success so humbly and sensibly. If I chopped to

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Speaker 1: fame at sixteen years old, I can safely say I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have managed it so gracefully. She is doing such

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Speaker 1: wonderful things for women's sport and sport overall.

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Speaker 3: And I hope you enjoyed listening as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: If you did, enjoy as always, please share and tag

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Speaker 1: at Elise Perry and myself and catchales playing Australia versus

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Speaker 1: New Zealand until the tenth of October, then the WBBL

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Speaker 1: and Australia versus India as we head into the new year.

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Speaker 1: Hope you're having an amazing week and are seizing your

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Speaker 1: ya