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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is mumumms twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. It was a meeting nine months in the making.

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Speaker 2: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and US President Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: have met face to face leader to leeda at the

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Speaker 2: White House and for the most part, it went off

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Speaker 2: without a hitch.

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Speaker 3: Australians love America and I think Americans kind of like

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Speaker 3: Australia to we do. And as we go forward, I

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Speaker 3: think that today we'll be seen as a really significan

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Speaker 3: day in our relationship.

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Speaker 2: But what was actually achieved in this meeting and what

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Speaker 2: happens now? Amelia Lester has all the details, But before

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Speaker 2: we get there, here's Claire Murphy with the latest from

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Speaker 2: the Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, October twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Taylor Arras. Prosecutor says crown jewel stolen in a

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Speaker 4: dramatic weekend louver heist are worth an estimated one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty seven million dollars Australian, but that the monetary

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Speaker 4: estimate doesn't include their historical value to France. Around one

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Speaker 4: hundred investigators are currently involved in the police hunt for

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Speaker 4: the suspects and gems after Sundays there from the world's

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Speaker 4: most visited museum. The French prosecutors said they hope the

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Speaker 4: thieves don't break them down to sell the jewels, separately

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Speaker 4: asking them not to destroy them without rime or reason.

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Speaker 4: Questions have arisen about the Louver security and whether security

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Speaker 4: cameras might have failed after thieves rode a basket lift

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Speaker 4: up the Louvers facade, forced a window, smash display cases,

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Speaker 4: and then fled with the Napoleonic jewels on Sunday morning. However,

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Speaker 4: the French Culture Minister says the Louver security apparatus did

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Speaker 4: not fail and cameras were working, but didn't mention how

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Speaker 4: the thieves managed to carry out the heist without anyone

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Speaker 4: being able to intervene. US President Donald Trump is considering

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Speaker 4: fast tracking the delivery of nuclear submarines to Australia after

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Speaker 4: his successful meeting with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese this week.

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Speaker 4: The meeting could lay the groundwork for the President to

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Speaker 4: pull additional levers to speed up Australia's acquisition of nuclear

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Speaker 4: powered submarines, the first of which it will buy from

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Speaker 4: the US early next decade. Asked if the submarines would

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Speaker 4: be delivered to Australia, Trump replied, oh, no, they're getting them,

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Speaker 4: saying we're just going full steam ahead building and suggesting

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Speaker 4: the US might fast track delivery of the vessels without

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Speaker 4: giving any definite timeline. Some experts so are questioning whether

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Speaker 4: the timeline of the Orchest deal is viable given the

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Speaker 4: US is struggling to meet its own targets for submarine production.

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Speaker 4: Millions of ossies are being worn to brace for a

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Speaker 4: potentially record breaking October heat wave this week. Queensland, New

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Speaker 4: South Wales and South Australia have already posted their hottest

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Speaker 4: October days on record yesterday, with the Mercury hitting forty

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Speaker 4: six point one in Birdsville, forty four point eight in

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Speaker 4: Burke and forty five at Moomber Airport. Sydney is forecast

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Speaker 4: to swell to through and expected top of thirty eight

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Speaker 4: degrees today, with Newcastle hitting thirty nine and Woollongong thirty six.

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Speaker 4: Relief from the heat is expected to arrive across New

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Speaker 4: South Wales and Southern Australia on Thursday, but those in

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Speaker 4: the North won't be so lucky, with temperatures tip to

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Speaker 4: remain high on Friday and into the weekend. Meanwhile, Victorians

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Speaker 4: have been told to brace for destructive wins and a

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Speaker 4: risk of thunderstorm Masma conditions, with damaging winds forecast to

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Speaker 4: hit Victoria's west this morning, reaching the States east by

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Speaker 4: this afternoon. Captain Sam Kerr is said to make her

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Speaker 4: long awaited Matilda's return against Wales in Cardiff on Saturday

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Speaker 4: local time, before facing European champions England in Derby four

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Speaker 4: days later. The thirty two year old last played for

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Speaker 4: Australia in November twenty twenty three, having endured a twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. Kurz Matilda's teammates are determined not to

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Speaker 4: put any pressure on the superstar striker to perform as

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Speaker 4: they relish her return to the international stage, but goalkeeper

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Speaker 4: teague In Mike admits Kur's return is a confidence boost

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Speaker 4: as they start to feel both excitement and a sense

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Speaker 4: of urgency less than five months out from the Asian Cup,

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Speaker 4: saying we understand she's been out for a long time

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Speaker 4: and for us, we just really want to get her

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Speaker 4: will just come with that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, when Anthony met Donald, there was a

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Speaker 2: lot riding on Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi's visit to Washington.

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Speaker 2: After getting off relatively scott free from Trump's new tariff cover,

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Speaker 2: Australia was hoping to keep diplomatic ties strong, so when

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Speaker 2: the PM finally got the call up to the Oval Office,

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Speaker 2: there was a bit at stake politics, policy and politeness.

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Speaker 2: After all, we didn't want to repeat of when the

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Speaker 2: South African president visited Trump earlier this year.

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Speaker 3: Would allow them.

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Speaker 1: To take land?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, do allow them to take.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can take where they take the land, they killed

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Speaker 1: the white farmer. And when they killed the white farmer,

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Speaker 2: All that infamous meeting when the US President hosted Ukraine's

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Speaker 3: Said, we gave you, through the stupid president, three hundred

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Speaker 2: So in an effort to avoid addressing down from the

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Speaker 2: leader of the free world, one must come prepared. Luckily,

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Speaker 2: albows tacked was different. We know Trump loves a deal.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he wrote a whole book about it. So

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Speaker 2: with that knowledge in his back pocket, our leader came

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Speaker 2: bearing gifts in the form of a rare earth steal,

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Speaker 2: both men having to the eight point three billion US

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Speaker 2: dollar deal, meaning Australia will speed up its delivery of

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Speaker 2: rare metals to the US and in return, our production

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Speaker 2: and processing industries will be rapidly scaled. At the moment,

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Speaker 2: Australia is the fourth largest producer of rare earth minerals,

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Speaker 2: so this deal will help US rise to challenge China's

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Speaker 2: dominance on the market. The other thing weighing on Australia's

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Speaker 2: diplomatic mind heading into the meeting is, of course Orcis.

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Speaker 2: Earlier this year, the Pentagon announced a review into the

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Speaker 2: pact made between a Street, the United States and the

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Speaker 2: United Kingdom, just checking on their investment. But despite the

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Speaker 2: ongoing review, Trump's given Orcus a thumbs up. We're giving

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Speaker 2: the US billions of dollars and in return, well, we're

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Speaker 2: still under review, but with a recommitment to being delivered

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Speaker 2: at three submarines. Right, So, rare earth deal and reassurance

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Speaker 2: on Orcas, the meaning's going pretty well right now. This

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Speaker 2: would have been a home run, except Kevin Rudd was

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister k Rudd is the Australian ambassador to the US,

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't he be there. Isn't that a good thing? Well?

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Speaker 2: Trump had some strong words to say.

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Speaker 3: I don't like you either, and it probably never will.

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Speaker 2: Now. Look, that's pretty brutal on its own. The leader

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Speaker 2: of the United States has personally called you out. The

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Speaker 2: only thing that could make it worse is if Kevin

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Speaker 2: Rudd was being torn down to his face, which he was.

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Speaker 2: This all comes off the back of Rudd's now deleted

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Speaker 2: on all things Elbow Trump meeting. We are joined by

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Speaker 2: mummum is US correspondent Emelia Lester. Amelia who came off

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Speaker 2: best in this meeting. Would you say it was a

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Speaker 2: win for both leaders?

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Speaker 1: I think that both can feel like they got a

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Speaker 1: bit of what they wanted. So Trump got critical minerals,

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Speaker 1: which is his favorite thing. It's been very much a

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Speaker 1: through line of his foreign policy. Peace steal Satara threats.

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Speaker 1: What he wants to do is secure more critical minerals

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Speaker 1: for the US to break China's monopoly, so he got

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Speaker 1: some critical minerals. From Albanizi's perspective, I think his biggest

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Speaker 1: win was being able to confirm that Orcus is safe

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Speaker 1: for now. And Trump did make a commitment that the

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Speaker 1: US would send Australia the nuclear powered submarines that are

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Speaker 1: meant to be delivered by twenty thirty two. That's been

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Speaker 1: in doubt a lot lately.

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Speaker 2: Asigh of relief for US. It is still safe. However,

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Speaker 2: it is still subject to a Penn review. He didn't

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Speaker 2: make any mention of that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he knows that a Pentagon review is happening, Taylor,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree that we can't say that it's

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Speaker 1: like safe forever. That Pentagon review, led by Elbridge Colby,

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Speaker 1: who is a very influential isolationist voice in the Trump regime,

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Speaker 1: is still going on. I think in Trump's vibespace foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: he's feeling warmly towards Australia, and he's going to feel

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Speaker 1: even more warmly now that he has access to West

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Speaker 1: Australia's gallium reserves. Gallium is a critical mineral that I

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Speaker 1: had to look up today. Is used in led devices

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Speaker 2: So yeah, some of those outcomes obviously good for both leaders.

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Speaker 2: The Rare Earth and Critical Minerals deal, it feels like

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Speaker 2: that is in part good as part of Trump's America

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Speaker 2: First agenda, But we've also sort of benefited from it.

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Speaker 1: Right, We're going to.

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Speaker 2: Get this huge cash injection, the industry is going to scale.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like though we've just benefited as a

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Speaker 2: bit of a side effect of Trump really just wanting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Trump does want to stick it to China.

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Speaker 1: I found Arthurs Sinadinus's criticism that China won't like this

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Speaker 1: its export controls for critical minerals, so none of this

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Speaker 1: what I would say about this deal and why it

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Speaker 1: gives me a little bit of pause, is, yes, the

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Speaker 1: US is investing in Australian mining, which I suppose is

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Speaker 1: a win for the mining industry, but Australia in return

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Speaker 1: has to invest in US defense contractors. It's not just

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Speaker 1: simply going one way the investment, and so Australia is

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Speaker 1: further tethering itself to the American military industrial complex and

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Speaker 1: spending a lot of money to essentially get a guarantee

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Speaker 1: of ORCUS something that is meant to happen down the line.

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Speaker 2: Now, it can't all be friendly and tension free. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: there was a moment there where Trump expressed some feelings

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Speaker 2: about Kevin Rudd returning the favor forsm now deleted posts

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Speaker 2: Pigs at all was forgiven. Penny Wong has brushed this

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Speaker 2: and a little bit playful. How much does Rudd actually

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Speaker 2: matter in terms of Australia US relations. He is our

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Speaker 2: don't like each other. Should we be worried about that?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's not ideal. I think Trump runs

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Speaker 1: a very personality driven foreign policy. He feels very influenced

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Speaker 1: by the last person he spoke to. He feels very

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Speaker 1: deferential to him. I don't think it's ideal that Australia's

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Speaker 1: he does not like Amelia.

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Speaker 2: What have some of the other reactions been to this

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Speaker 2: meeting as a whole. We've hailed it a success, the

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Speaker 2: US have hailed it as success. Is that sort of

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Speaker 2: the going rate?

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Speaker 1: I just don't know whether this is the slam dunk

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Speaker 1: success that the Australian media is portraying it as. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the U aware is putting a huge cash influx into

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Speaker 1: Australian critical mineral mining, but on the other hand, there's

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Speaker 1: no such thing as a free lanch. Trump is really

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Speaker 1: good at driving a hard bargain and getting what he

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Speaker 1: wants for the most powerful, rich country in the world.

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Speaker 2: All right, Amelia, where to from here? Then? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: If it'll be another nine months before Albanese and Trump meet.

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Speaker 2: What should the focus be going out.

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Speaker 1: Of this meeting? I think Australia continues to watch this

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Speaker 1: Pentagon review of ORCUS. The national security establishment in Australia

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Speaker 1: very much wants that to work, but it's still unclear

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Speaker 1: who's going to win the day. Which camp in the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: You've got the isolationists, You've got the China hawks. Today, interestingly,

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Speaker 1: Trump wanted to downplay the China threat. He said that

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 2: Ilaria Brofy, and Claire Murphy, with audio production by lou Hill.

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