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Speaker 1: From Mama Maya.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 2: Tina Burke and I'm anisures for it, and neither of

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Speaker 2: us are Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 1: No, but she's got some very exciting stuff to do.

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Speaker 2: This. Yes, we kind of clickbaited it yesterday, but now

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Speaker 2: we can actually reveal what she is doing.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do it? Well? It actually re

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Speaker 1: late to our first topic today, But she's got a

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Speaker 1: very very very big interview that she is even doing

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Speaker 1: right this second week. So this week we're not privy

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Speaker 1: to her schedule with the Devilwares Prata cast.

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Speaker 2: I know I cannot believe that she's going to be

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Speaker 2: in the presidence of Anne Hathaway and Meryl Street, but

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Speaker 2: that could be happening right a second. We wouldn't know,

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Speaker 2: because she's an international woman of mystery right now she is.

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Speaker 1: It gives me anxiety thinking about walking into that room

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Speaker 1: with Marylynne. I wouldn't say it, I know, but I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I know it would tell her that.

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Speaker 2: But you just know she's got like a bold lip

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Speaker 2: and a fun top one and like she's ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she's gonna have been brushed. Oh the Bang group Refection.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised we're not.

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Speaker 2: On a zoom call about her Bangs right now, but

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Speaker 2: we're very excited for her and that's going to be

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Speaker 2: obviously something you guys will see on the bill. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about it. It's going to be amazing.

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Speaker 2: But that is coming up. But for today, you've got

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Speaker 2: Modern I aren't you lucky? I need so blessed, and

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Speaker 2: we will be diving into a very revealing press tour

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Speaker 2: for a former Friends star, plus a deep dive into

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Speaker 2: one of the most iconic rom coms of all time

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Speaker 2: as it celebrates a milestone anniversary. But first, we do

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Speaker 2: have to talk about someone else who also recently interviewed

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Speaker 2: Meryl Street.

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Speaker 1: We do, we do so.

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Speaker 2: Greta Gerwig was sort of an interviewer slashed a vehicle

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Speaker 2: for just a fun chat between Meryl Street and Anna

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Speaker 2: Wintle for Vogue's May issue.

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Speaker 1: I'm just calling them friends of the spill from here

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Speaker 1: on out now that we know a friend of the steel.

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Speaker 2: Meryl Street did grace the cover with Anna Wintle, and

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Speaker 2: it's just such an incredible gag to get the two

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Speaker 2: of them on the cover together doing this discussion.

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Speaker 1: It is, and the photo of them in this article

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Speaker 1: in the back of the car where Merrel's kind of

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Speaker 1: half got a feed out. If you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: go look at it, because Anna Winter just looks so

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Speaker 1: poised and almost a little bit disdainful of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And then Merrel's just like having a lass.

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Speaker 2: It's like Anna could not be closer to the window

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Speaker 2: she like escaping, She's so close to like opening it

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Speaker 2: and just jumping out of a moving vehicle. Meryl's got

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Speaker 2: like her feet in the air like it's crazy. But

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Speaker 2: the cover itself is very much Meryl streeping like a

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Speaker 2: Miranda Priestley type of pose, very power woman, and Anna's

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Speaker 2: kind of sitting next to her just looking at her

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Speaker 2: that they've done and the spread that they've done, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of acknowledging for maybe the first time for real,

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Speaker 2: what the Devil Wears prat it is, and the fact

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Speaker 2: that it's very much a reference to Anna Wintle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she for years at the start when the

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Speaker 1: original Devilware's Pride came out, wasn't involved in this way

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Speaker 1: on this level, so it's interesting that she's decided to

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Speaker 1: do it for this I really liked in the piece

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Speaker 1: she talks about how when she found out they were

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Speaker 1: going to do the new movie, she called Meryl and

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Speaker 1: she was like, have you seen the script? She was like,

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Speaker 1: I knew she'd be real with me. I knew, she

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Speaker 1: told me, and Meryl was like, I haven't read it yet.

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Speaker 1: She went away and read it and came back to her,

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Speaker 1: and she apparently taught her I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: be fine. And to me, I'm like, Okay, well, if

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Speaker 1: Meryl thinks we're going to be fine, that gives me

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Speaker 1: going to be a good film.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I feel like for me anyway, this has

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Speaker 2: is so much based on an a Winter, because Anna says,

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Speaker 2: it's such an honor to be played by Meryl. However

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Speaker 2: distant Miranda is from myself, who wouldn't think that was

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Speaker 1: I feel like she had to slip that in there,

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Speaker 1: that dragon lady.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like we all knew, so like it's

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Speaker 2: nice to know for sure now because they gave like

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Speaker 2: a very wide ranging interview. They talked about like politics,

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Speaker 2: they talked about their grandkids, They talked about fashion and

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Speaker 2: like wear, fashion's heading. It was very interesting. What was

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Speaker 2: your favorite little tidbit or moment?

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Speaker 1: So I really liked when they were both sort of

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Speaker 1: talking about being grandmothers. As you said, I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that Merrill had six grandchildren, aged six, five, four, three,

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Speaker 2: I see, it's quite easy to remember, it really is.

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Speaker 1: But I also liked so they were talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the juggle, what it was like for both of them

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Speaker 1: being parents and then also working. Anna Winter was talking

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, you lost us a little

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Speaker 1: birthdays and weddings there in her family. And then she

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Speaker 1: also said, we're English, so we constantly play games and

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Speaker 1: stage tennis tournaments the tennis, like get I didn't know

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Speaker 1: all like lawn bowling on the ground, playing badminton on

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Speaker 1: the lawn. Yes, and it's high tea in the background.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really think that English people were playing games

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Speaker 1: No, and we know she loves the tennis. We do

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Speaker 1: know she loves that. What was your favorite titbit?

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite bits was when Greta kind of

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Speaker 2: asked them like, if you could, if you swapped careers

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Speaker 2: with each other, what would that be like? And Anna

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Speaker 2: wind Tors answer is like, there's no way. I have

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Speaker 2: no gifts. I have absolutely no gifts at all. I

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Speaker 2: museless with my hands, I can't cook, I certainly can't sew.

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Speaker 1: You know what really reassuring if you have a job

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Speaker 2: Yes, And what I liked about that is like Meryl's

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Speaker 2: But what I did like that she said street Meryl

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Speaker 2: work with young people. I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: You'd keep all the ideas flowing. I'd love to work

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Speaker 2: be like creating something that makes people happy. I think

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Speaker 2: Meryl does create things like make people. Yeah, she's doing it,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised when she said that she couldn't sew

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Speaker 1: But I feel like people in the fashion industry, often

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Speaker 2: It was interesting that actually, of the two of them, yeah,

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Speaker 2: was surprised that Anna didn't really have the ability to sew,

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Speaker 2: but you know what, neither do I just another thing

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Speaker 2: Anna and I have in common, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And Meryl was saying in her trailer on the Devil

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I found that interesting because it opened up this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of that feeling of knowing the real party

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think is Meryl's thing is maybe she

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Speaker 1: Mean boss lady. But she's not that mean.

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Speaker 2: She's a heart of gold, Miranda Priestley. We know that

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Speaker 1: She really does. And I mean it's really reflective of

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Speaker 2: I liked that as like someone in as a as

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Speaker 2: a manager, let's take those tips on board, go hang

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Speaker 2: out with our stuff. It made me giggle a little

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Speaker 2: bit to think of them. I don't know, like what

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Speaker 1: I think they go home.

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Speaker 2: I think they go home any days. Like Meryl knits,

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Speaker 2: so she's fine. She likes doing that. She did say

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Speaker 2: She was like, she can't read books when she's on

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Speaker 1: Just a clariphy not she can't read generally, She's not

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Speaker 2: Meryl Streep can read, but she doesn't read books when

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Speaker 2: she's on set, which is interesting. Maybe she is like

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Speaker 2: slightly method. Metha is just like a word that we

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Speaker 2: use for men who actual crazy onset exactly.

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Speaker 1: Another interesting tipbit was when they were asked about their

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Speaker 1: favorite Meryl Streep costumes from all the movies that she's done,

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Speaker 1: and Anna said her favorites of Meryl were an Out

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Speaker 1: of Africa, but Meryl actually said Florence lost to Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: and she said, because I love a big bosom and

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Speaker 1: they know how to dress a big bosom at a

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Speaker 1: certain time. Did you relate to that, Yes, they's a

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Speaker 1: busty gala related to that.

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Speaker 2: But I like that because there's all those were some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. And Lisa was actually talking about

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Speaker 1: just this week how during times where things are quite

439
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Speaker 1: dark in the world, we need comedy and we need

440
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Speaker 1: shows like that more than ever.

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Speaker 3: After nine to eleven, I was used to when I

442
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Speaker 3: would drive home anyway from work and you know, a

443
00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,680
Speaker 3: stop sign and someone would look over in a car

444
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Speaker 3: and go, ah, it's you, Oh my god, Okay, And

445
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Speaker 3: after nine to eleven, I'd be at a start sign

446
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:07,000
Speaker 3: and someone would look over and ah, this one gets me,

447
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Speaker 3: and we just say thank you, like near tears.

448
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And I realized, Okay, that's because.

450
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Speaker 1: We need a break.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what comedies do. They give you a

452
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Speaker 3: break that you need otherwise it's too much. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I completely get what she's saying, because I remember in

454
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Speaker 2: COVID watching ted Lasso and like when we were in

455
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Speaker 2: one of our lockdowns, and I remember how much joy

456
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Speaker 2: it brought me to just get to be able to

457
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Speaker 2: watch it, and then like I told everyone else to

458
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,359
Speaker 2: watch it when we're all texting back and forth about

459
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,720
Speaker 2: what we thought of it, and it comedy really does

460
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Speaker 2: bring me like such a reprieve when you need one.

461
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Speaker 2: And what she's saying is like, yes, there's comedies, but

462
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Speaker 2: we're lacking a certain kind of comedy nowadays. And she

463
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Speaker 2: wants to see that again and wants to see probably

464
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Speaker 2: also like the funding for it. Right, she's her own

465
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Speaker 2: creator of the comeback, but there aren't a lot of

466
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Speaker 2: studios willing to back that kind of sit com at

467
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Speaker 2: the moment.

468
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Speaker 1: And that's why we're all coming back to those same

469
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Speaker 1: shows we used to watch all the time and that's

470
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Speaker 1: how Right before Bed show, Like, so many of my

471
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Speaker 1: friends watch Friends or How I Am At Your Mother

472
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Speaker 1: or Gilmore Girl. So there's kinds of fast paced, funny

473
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Speaker 1: shows where you escape into a world and all the

474
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Speaker 1: characters have great rapport. That's exactly the type of content

475
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Speaker 1: that Royal craving at the moment.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she herself says that in COVID she rewatched

477
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Speaker 2: Friends because she was like, she ran through her own

478
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Speaker 2: list of her favorite sitcoms and her favorite comedies and

479
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Speaker 2: did nothing else to watch, and she was like, right, well,

480
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Speaker 2: I guess I'm going to give it a go. And

481
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Speaker 2: she was like, that's a funny show. She was like,

482
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Speaker 2: that's actually very good. And she again spoke about it

483
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Speaker 2: when Matthew Perry died, saying like, she rewatched it and

484
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Speaker 2: it was just so great to see him and to

485
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Speaker 2: see how funny he was and he was the best character,

486
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Speaker 2: and you know, she was like sorry to everyone else.

487
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Speaker 2: And I think it was actually in the same interview

488
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Speaker 2: she spoke about it, but she was like, getting to

489
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Speaker 2: rewatch it and relive it and like feel the joy

490
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Speaker 2: in it made her realize how special it was and

491
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Speaker 2: unique it is in TV.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really nice how candidly she can speak

493
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Speaker 1: about watching Friends as a viewer. Yeah, and I also

494
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Speaker 1: think it's really nice that she's one of those actors

495
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Speaker 1: who isn't above talking about this show that put her

496
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Speaker 1: on the world map, because we've talked on the pot

497
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Speaker 1: that there are quite a few actors who don't like

498
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Speaker 1: to talk about those things. Patrick Dempsey with Grey's Anatomy.

499
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Speaker 1: We have Robert Pattinson with Twilight.

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Speaker 2: Although Rob's eventually he's around now, he's come back around

501
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Speaker 2: because he knows it's funny and he loves to lie

502
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Speaker 2: about things, but he definitely went through a phase of

503
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Speaker 2: hating talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, and we had I mean, Jacoba. Lordie

505
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Speaker 1: has dissed The Kissing Booth, which I do admit it's

506
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Speaker 1: not one of the world's greatest films. But I do

507
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Speaker 1: really like when actors give us permission to reminisce about

508
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Speaker 1: the shows that they were in that we really love.

509
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Speaker 1: And Lisa Kudrou very much does engage when people ask

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Speaker 1: her about brands or ask her about her relationship with

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Speaker 1: the cast. She's not trying to spin that into only

512
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Speaker 1: just talking about her new project. She's happy to walk

513
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Speaker 1: down memory lane, especially like.

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Speaker 2: She's currently talking about Friends quite a bit on a

515
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Speaker 2: press tool for an entirely different TV show, and she

516
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Speaker 2: answers those questions like thoughtfully and willingly, and she's excited

517
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Speaker 2: to talk about it. And she said on CBS like

518
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Speaker 2: in these recent weeks of press rounds, she was like,

519
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Speaker 2: because Friends gave me everything. Yeah, she was like, that

520
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 2: role Phoebe was so special to me, and that show

521
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Speaker 2: is the reason that like, I'm here and I have success.

522
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I can be in an indie movie and

523
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Speaker 2: you don't have to see it, but if you want

524
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Speaker 2: to talk to me about Friends, I'll talk about Friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And that makes fans feel so hurt and loved

526
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Speaker 1: and appreciated and not like, oh, you're over it, so

527
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Speaker 1: we should be too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think obviously, when you're as famous as she

529
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Speaker 2: is and as the cast of Friends are, it's weird

530
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Speaker 2: and people kind of have parasocial relationships with you, really

531
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Speaker 2: like intensely. So people love the fact that the girls

532
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Speaker 2: are all really close friends and they post on Instagram

533
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Speaker 2: and they do all that stuff. But I also like

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Speaker 2: that she's like happy to talk about that friendship and

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Speaker 2: what it means to her, and she gets why people

536
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Speaker 2: want to know more.

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Speaker 1: She actually just spoke about it this week about what

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Speaker 1: her favor thing is to do with those two girls,

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Speaker 1: you and Courtney and Jennifer. So I'll have such a

540
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Speaker 1: great relationship.

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Speaker 2: What has been the most precious part of Mantine in

542
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Speaker 2: that relationship after all these years.

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Speaker 3: The most precious part is when we can finally I'll

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Speaker 3: be in the same place and have dinner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best. It's where would be like the

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Speaker 1: dream scenario over the back someone's house, Miss best cook?

547
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Speaker 1: Go to the freeviews? Can you say Courtney Courney the check?

548
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Speaker 1: So I do really relate to the parasocial relationship there

549
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Speaker 1: because I had. Of course, Courtney is the best cook.

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Speaker 1: Monica would be the one cooking in the kids like

551
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Speaker 1: that gives me so much joy. I'd love to be

552
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Speaker 1: flow on the wall at their dinners. I think it

553
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Speaker 1: would be incredibly fun, and I do love how close

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Speaker 1: they are. But yeah, I think it's nice that she's

555
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Speaker 1: willing to talk about the thing that made her famous

556
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Speaker 1: with like such love and reference. She also defends Phoebe

557
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Speaker 1: so much, like she's been talking about on this press run,

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Speaker 1: how she should Yeah, and she was talking about how

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Speaker 1: Phoebe actually wasn't a dits and she was always labeled

560
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Speaker 1: a dits And she said, you know, to me, she wasn't. Okay,

561
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Speaker 1: that was a ditch to us back in the day,

562
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Speaker 1: someone who wasn't towing the line. And yeah, Phoebe wasn't

563
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Speaker 1: a conventional character. But I mean she really does get

564
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Speaker 1: labeled with that ditsy kind of persona and she's like, nah,

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Speaker 1: I don't see it.

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Speaker 2: There's this like trend at the moment where people keep

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Speaker 2: editing Phoebe and Ross on social media. I have seen that,

568
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Speaker 2: and it's like it'll be like a five minute compilation

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Speaker 2: and it's like all the times Phoebe rage baited Ross,

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Speaker 2: and like when you watch her back, I think people

571
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Speaker 2: saw it as her being dumb as not like not

572
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Speaker 2: understanding evolution or not getting this thing. No, she was

573
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Speaker 2: intentionally always just annoying the hell out of that man.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, he's very irritating. She had to do her bit.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's what she's said essentially, is like

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Speaker 2: she's not ditzy. She's just like cookie or quirky or

577
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Speaker 2: interesting or has something funny to say. And so like

578
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Speaker 2: I do love that these clips are going around at

579
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Speaker 2: the moment, just showing how like Phoebe was not stupid,

580
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Speaker 2: she was just funny or like also just enjoyed annoying

581
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Speaker 2: her friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always thought it was very obvious that she

583
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Speaker 1: was just raising two. I would love to rage Bay

584
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Speaker 1: that man. He's very easy to rage baby, he really is.

585
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Speaker 1: But I was just reading a pool that said he

586
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Speaker 1: is far and away the least favorite character of many people.

587
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Speaker 1: I think that's true. Like when anyone's like, which friend

588
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Speaker 1: of you? No one wants to be? No One's it's

589
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Speaker 1: very upsetting.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to be.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you really want your Lisa caudrou fix and

592
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Speaker 1: you know you're done rewatching friends for the millionth time,

593
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Speaker 1: get around the comeback. I think I'm going too after

594
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Speaker 1: this press run, Where can we watch it? Tina? And

595
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: when it's on HBO Max.

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Speaker 2: Obviously season one and season two already there, catch up,

597
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Speaker 2: give it a watch. The show did begin in March,

598
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: but it's going to be eight episodes, so it's going

599
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Speaker 2: all the way till May. It's Sunday HBO drops in

600
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Speaker 2: the US, which means we get it on Monday on

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Speaker 2: HBO Max. So you've got time to catch up, and

602
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Speaker 2: you've got time to like join the Riode as we

603
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Speaker 2: finish our final season.

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Speaker 1: It's so, so, so good.

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Speaker 2: And if you love Lisa like you will just absolutely

606
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Speaker 2: love this show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tana. Something you and I both have in comment,

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Speaker 1: along with most of the people in this office, is

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Speaker 1: that we are rom com girly tragics. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: feel more so than just watching rom comms. We like

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Speaker 1: live our lives as rom com character. I think you

612
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Speaker 1: certainly do.

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Speaker 2: I think you live your life with like the Jois

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Speaker 2: de Vive of a romcom lead.

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Speaker 1: I think you do too. Were just in different kind

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Speaker 1: of wearing different wrong. One's more of a wrong, one's

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Speaker 1: more of a calm.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say bitch has a better outlook

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Speaker 2: on love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say that write in the comments music. But

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Speaker 1: it's an important milestone in the rom com community that's

622
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Speaker 1: nearly upon us because it's been twenty five years since

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Speaker 1: the first Bridget Jones movie came out. Well, almost thirteenth

624
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Speaker 1: of April two thousand and one was when the first

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Speaker 1: movie came out.

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Speaker 2: And I can't believe it because, as you said before,

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Speaker 2: I'm simply gen z so.

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Speaker 1: Like that can't be true factually, walking that fine line

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Speaker 1: between gen z and millennial. Do you remember your first

630
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Speaker 1: time watching the movie? I am ninety percent sure I do.

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Speaker 2: I think it was with my cousins, okay, and I

632
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Speaker 2: watched a lot of the Way too young, not that

633
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: you can be too young for Bridget Jones, but there

634
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: would always be like something I didn't understand about a

635
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Speaker 2: rom common until later, So I think I was quite young,

636
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Speaker 2: and I remember like being confused because she ran outside

637
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Speaker 2: in her leopard print underpants and I was like, is

638
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Speaker 2: she going.

639
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Speaker 1: To buy undies?

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Speaker 2: Her mom was like, no, she's gone to find the

641
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Speaker 2: guy crazy, and I was like, oh, okay, why do

642
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Speaker 2: you remember yours?

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Speaker 1: Well? I remember the feeling that I had when I

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Speaker 1: watched it, which was I don't want this woman's life,

645
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Speaker 1: which I know, which looking back at it, I'm like, look,

646
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Speaker 1: she got into a very successful career, she lived alone

647
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Speaker 1: in London, she had good friends. But I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems sad, which I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people felt at the time because of how

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Speaker 1: we were geared to that.

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Speaker 2: And I was like inspired to live a life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I should have that's what I should have

653
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Speaker 1: taken away from it. But I think a they made

654
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Speaker 1: it seem like she was never gonna find love and

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Speaker 1: that was like her man thing. They also made it

656
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Speaker 1: seem like she was really overweight when she actually was not. Also,

657
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: she was very open about her struggles, and I think

658
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: for that time that was very GiB Well.

659
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: She was the archetype of like the frazzled english woman,

660
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: which like makes me eagle at the moment when you

661
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: see girls on Instagram doing aesthetic roundups and they're like,

662
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: how to be a frazzled english Woman? And I'm like,

663
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: if you need a guide, you're simply not one. I'm

664
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: sorry to say, Well, like that has become the goal,

665
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: Like that is actually like who we should be is

666
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: Bridget Jones. But you're right, at the time she was

667
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: like she was a mess, yes, and I mean she

668
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: still is. You watch the movie and you're like, this

669
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: woman is a bloody mess. Oh, it's a stressful but

670
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: a successful mess.

671
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, exactly, do you have a favorite moment, A favorite

672
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: Bridget Jones moment?

673
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: Isn't it terrible about Chechnia? That's my favorite moment moment.

674
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: I did talk about that with Nicola Cochlin in Bridgeton Interviews,

675
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: because I was like, were you inspired by Bridget Jones's

676
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: like cringiness and just craziness in like one of the

677
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: scenes in Bridgeton And she was like yes, she was like, yes,

678
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: I feel very Bridget Jones adjacent.

679
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: That's my favorite line.

680
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: I think it's so stupid and so ridiculous, Like I

681
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: actually have to close my eyes or like cover my

682
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: eyes or like pace around the living room because I

683
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: cannot watch the book launch whole segment. But I do

684
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: love that line.

685
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: That one that you're talking about. It does hit so

686
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: close to home for anyone who's been in a situation

687
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: where are like, oh my god, Yeah, it seem kind

688
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: of important.

689
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: Especially when you go to like a lot of media events.

690
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: Like when I was young and I was first going

691
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: to me video events and I would go by myself.

692
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: My sister always would be like, just go up to

693
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: someone and say, what isn't it terrible about check?

694
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: I was like, but if they don't get it, it's

695
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: even worse. No, at a media event, I think that

696
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: would go down.

697
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we'll give it a crack one day. Anyway,

698
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: what's your favorite is it? That scene.

699
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Well, I really like the line. I say this to

700
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: myself all the time, or at least I have, especially

701
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: throughout my early twenties. Note to self, stop obsessing about men,

702
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: start up saying about career. Oh, who am I kidding?

703
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: I love that line. That is a fantastic line, the

704
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: good little mantra. We could talk for days.

705
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: But I also just have to shout out the like

706
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: rowing scene on the lake when he grounds his poem

707
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: and then he falls in the water and he's the

708
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: hottest anyone's ever been. And he emerges from the water

709
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: and he's got like a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.

710
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: That's just beautiful cinema. He really is the hottest man

711
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: that's ever been. I have to say the whole I

712
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: like you very much, just as you are seen. I

713
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: take issue with it because I hate wrong, but carry on.

714
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: I know it's meant to be this beautiful moment, but

715
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: it's always aird me how he's saying it, like it's

716
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: this huge declaration and like, no, stop, believe it or not.

717
00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: I like it.

718
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Thank you very much just as you are. As if

719
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: it's like it's unfathomable, I.

720
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: Know, I just do, but I kind of like that

721
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: because obviously Bridget Jones is like a very very loose

722
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Pride and Prejudice adaptation. Yes, and it's like that's their

723
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: modern ish version of the like monologue about how like

724
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: her inferious circumstances and all of this stuff, and so

725
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: like in Bridget Jones is like, I like you just

726
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: as you are, And it's actually romantic versus like Pride

727
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: and Prejudice, where it's the worst thing anyone's ever said to.

728
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: Somebody In twenty twenty six, it would be like you're

729
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: hot or something. I don't know. Some really even more condensed,

730
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: be something terrible. I like, I like you just as

731
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: you are.

732
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: I mean it is cute, but I do like even

733
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: more when her friends start mocking her for.

734
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: It, Yes, because I feel like that is an actual

735
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: thing that would definitely happen if it happened to you

736
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: in real life.

737
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent.

738
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Watching it now, I mean certain scenes just seem so

739
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: dated even though it was twenty five years ago. It

740
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: feels almost more when you watch your Back now. I

741
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: mean Mark Darcy, the man she literally falls in love with,

742
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: calls her a verbally incontinent spinster. Dad always just gets

743
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: me when you're in that line. When you watch about

744
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: you're like ooh, but also like hard relate.

745
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, as someone with verbal in continent, I do understand,

746
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: and I have.

747
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: A way about yourself.

748
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: But i'd also I think that's the only film or

749
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: place I've ever heard that phrase used, And I'm like,

750
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: what a perfect phrase. And also technically probably now I

751
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: am a spinster because I'm in my thirties. So like,

752
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: I stand by that line and I accept it and

753
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: allow it.

754
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying, we're really confusing the

755
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: spillers with your age and this episode. But like she's

756
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: gen Z, she's in her thirties. You're definitely not gen Z.

757
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: It's also just when you watch it back the blatant

758
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: workplace sexual harassment, Yes, that's just when you're watching can

759
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: He's like, no one ever gets sacked for shagging your boss.

760
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, perhaps they shout station. But just also when

761
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: you watch it and you're like, wow, the whole plot

762
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: really is finding a man.

763
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: But I love it, Like I do love it. That's

764
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: what we're watching a rom com for. But also like

765
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: I think the things that people obviously like take Umbridge

766
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: with is a lot to do with like the views

767
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: on her weight and how other people talk about her

768
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: in the film, it's kind of like in Love actually,

769
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: when they're talking about like again you Grant, Okay, he is.

770
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: The cause of all of this, but in Love.

771
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Actually Martine mccutcheons when she's playing like the assistance to

772
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and everyone's kind of like, oh, the

773
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: girl with the big thighs, and you're like, oh, she's

774
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: so chunky, and it's like, what were we doing? I

775
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: had British films in the early two thousands.

776
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: Also wouldn't have bought that if they didn't say that,

777
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: And I did not know anyway, But I'm.

778
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: Like that and also like, it's not like I didn't

779
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: think it in like hindsight. I didn't think it at

780
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: the time either, but I understand the context and the

781
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: time period in which these films were made. These women

782
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: were considered to be like, Oh my gosh, they're so

783
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: big on our screens, which is absolutely absurd, and I

784
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: like that people are now calling out the absurdity of that.

785
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: It's quite well known that Renee Zellweger gained weight for

786
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: the role, and she also went very method in other

787
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: ways to prepare for Bridget Jonesy. She became a temporary

788
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: publishing assistant for three weeks because she really wanted to

789
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: immerse herself in Bridget's life. And I was like, this

790
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: is not a role I would have bought. You'd have

791
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: to go that method for But also.

792
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Like, surely people recognized her, Like she wasn't a nobody

793
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: at that point in time. Well she had an alias,

794
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, like what did she do when

795
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: on a brown wig?

796
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Like that's it? Like I work in publishing. I'm not sure.

797
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: But I read today that Camilla Elworthy was the name

798
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: of the publicist who helped her set up this fake job.

799
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: And she was actually invited onto set and made to

800
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: be an extra in that book launch party scene. That's

801
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: so cute. That's a little thank you.

802
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. That's actually really cool.

803
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: I want to be an extra. No, you know, it

804
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: might make another.

805
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Might Well they keep they keep doing. It's done and

806
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: they're all excellent. I just don't know where they take

807
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: it after the now. I don't know.

808
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: The most recent was very set in Stone.

809
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. I was reading a bunch of

810
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: behind the scenes Bridget Jones facts in anticipation of the

811
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: twenty fifth anniversary and was reading about how Hugh Grant

812
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: says she didn't speak in her real accent until the

813
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: Rat Party and he was like, it's like a weird

814
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Texan suddenly appeared at the Rat party and he was like,

815
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: who is this.

816
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: It's so strange because yes, I know that Renee is American,

817
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: and yes I have seen her in a million things

818
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: and interviews where.

819
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: She has an American accent.

820
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: But forever she will be Bridget Jones to me, and

821
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: she will be British to me, and I think that's

822
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: the case for a lot of people. I think it's

823
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: one of the best British accents ever done on the film.

824
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm bold enough to say it.

825
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: And when I interviewed her on the red carpet in

826
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: Sydney for the last film, I like, it took me

827
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: a second.

828
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I knew.

829
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: I knew she was an American. I'm very across that fact.

830
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: But hearing her speak in her little text an accent,

831
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: I was like, this is Jarry.

832
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: This is really jarring. Yeah, I'm very much the same.

833
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: I think also because I haven't watched a lot of

834
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: her other works, so she's very cemented as English to me.

835
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: All the British actors on set said that when she

836
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: came on she went so high brow that it started

837
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: was like the Queen's English, like hello, I'm Bridget. That

838
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: she had to really taper it down at the course

839
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: of filming.

840
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: I love that, but also like her bridgetisms were just

841
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: so perfect because she'd always just be like bloody hell

842
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh classic, and I'm like, how sound

843
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: like a caricature of a British person either. I don't

844
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: think I'm not British, not qualified to say, but I

845
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: think it was pretty solid.

846
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: Which is like, the most authentically British woman ever was

847
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: actually American. One of the other things I was reading

848
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: about a lot was arguably the best scene in the

849
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: whole movie, which is when Mark and Daniel Cleaver fight. Beautiful.

850
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: It's just two men who don't look like they should

851
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: be fighting. Apparently it was mostly improvised, not really scripted.

852
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: The stunt coordinators choreography felt too stiff, so they went

853
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: with their own spontaneous brawling, and I thought it was

854
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: so funny that Colin Firth said they had been an

855
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: earlier idea to make the fight look sexy. We were

856
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: going to be buff and our shirts were going to

857
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: be off, and I looked at myself and said, you're

858
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: certainly never going to get that type with me. But

859
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I was like it kind of was.

860
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: So hot, are but there are certain kind of hot

861
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: in a brainy at what they're saying. Yeah, And actually

862
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: I think going funny and going ridiculous was the correct

863
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: move because that scene is just one of the best

864
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: fight scenes in all all time.

865
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Forget Rocky, like that's the one, that's the one. It's

866
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: maybe not the whole like buff shredded well they were

867
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: going for, but it was a proper Englishman. It was

868
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: an Englishman's fight. It really was. It is crazy to think,

869
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: you know. We looked at Bridget Jones at the time

870
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: and we were like, this woman, you know, doesn't have

871
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: it going on whatever, But she had these two gorgeous

872
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: men fighting over her.

873
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: She had everything happening. So I did speak to Renesoever

874
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: at the premiere of the Last Bridge Jones movie, and

875
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: I know I already said that, but I'm going to

876
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: say it again because it was the best thing that

877
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Speaker 2: has ever happened to me in my entire life.

878
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: You should say that daily.

879
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: The worst part actually was I didn't notice at the

880
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: time there was a screen inside that everyone was watching

881
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: of the red carpet as it was happening. So all

882
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: of my coworkers were in the cinema watching me interview her,

883
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: and they filmed it. And afterwards I turned to someone

884
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: else and I make the most like excited, scared expression

885
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: of my life and like have a little like a moment,

886
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: and it's like on the big screen and everyone saw it.

887
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: I have video of it. It's awful, but it's to

888
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: go viral retrospective. It just was so cool. But I

889
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: did have to speak to her about that because it's

890
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: one of the main things people talk about now with

891
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: Bridget Jones, right, like thirty two gorgeous has her own

892
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: apartment in the middle of London, two hot guys fighting

893
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: over her. She's got a cool job where she's just

894
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: like on camera talent and she's so successful and like

895
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: also trendy. I really like her style. So she actually

896
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: has it all going on in retrospect as we see

897
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: it now. But yes, at the time, that was supposed

898
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: to be like, oh my god, a single mess of

899
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: a woman. And what I had to ask her was like,

900
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: what is her perception of how like Bridget Jones was

901
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: originally seen and how society has changed its way if

902
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: it's changed its way in the way that it views

903
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: women who were like single in their thirties and beyond.

904
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: And this is what she had to say.

905
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 4: It's so Mary, thanks, you know. And I think in

906
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: that moment, You've touched on something really interesting there.

907
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: I think that Helen sort.

908
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: Of pushing back and making.

909
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Fun of all the noise, you know, at a symptom

910
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: of that moment.

911
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: Where the media was just throwing out this image. You know,

912
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: here's the paradigm for beauty and success that you're meant

913
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: to conform to, and Bridget she subverts that notion.

914
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: You know.

915
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: She keeps her diary and the checklist like you're supposed

916
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: to about how you're measuring up, and you're supposed to

917
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: do your best to match society's and your families and

918
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: your friends expectations.

919
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: But ultimately she triumphs when she's.

920
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: Her authentic, the messy self, you know, And I think

921
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: she's inspirational.

922
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: In that respect. I think she's so right in that,

923
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: especially for women at the time, there weren't that many

924
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: characters that they could look to and be like, oh, okay,

925
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: she's actually you know, you can even though she is

926
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a mess, glamorize the life that she

927
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: has and as a woman who single in her thirties.

928
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: And I think that is really important And it became

929
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: a real corner stone in pop culture for that.

930
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and like she's saying, you weren't meant to

931
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: see like messy or chaotic women as like a goal.

932
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: It wasn't as much of a thing. And obviously it

933
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: started to become more of a thing with like Sex

934
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: and City, Bridget Jones, all these characters that we could

935
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: look up to who were like fun and single and

936
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: living their best lives. But a cornerstone of all those

937
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: kinds of films and TV shows was that like everyone

938
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: else in their lives didn't get them, always different to them.

939
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: And so like what she's saying is why we love Bridget.

940
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: She's authentic and she actually is like her best self.

941
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: She gets the guy, she gets the job when she's

942
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: just herself.

943
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: She also very much became a blueprint for that chaotic

944
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: single woman character that we've you know, seen in so

945
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: many different TV shows. I've become a late fan of Girls.

946
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: I started watching it when I came to work at

947
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: Mama Mira, and everyone was like, you have to watch

948
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: it to watch Girls. And you do see a lot

949
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: of Hannah from Girls in Bridget. I mean, she can

950
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: be a little bit self absorbed, she's messy, she makes

951
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: terrible choices. The narrative of the show is very much

952
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: centered on her inner voice and her personal failures. I mean,

953
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: I find Bridget a little more easily likable in my opinion,

954
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: but you can definitely see a bit of a thread

955
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: running through there.

956
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bridget definitely more like front facing more

957
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: likable than Hannah who Bath because Hannah is just the

958
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: voice of a generation, but also a kookie, kookie girl,

959
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: very kinky, like, absolutely self absorbed and messy. But I

960
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: do think that Bridget did sort of lead the way

961
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: for us in those more complex female characters, even though again,

962
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: like Retrospect has it all going on, but she dipped

963
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: our little toes into the idea of like an quote

964
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: unquote like unlike blonde, messy female character which we hadn't

965
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: seen that much of.

966
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: And I guess, going into this twenty fifth anniversary, what

967
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: is it do you think that makes us all still

968
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: so obsessed with Bridget as a character and the fact

969
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: that we will probably all be rewatching it with our girlfriends.

970
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: She's incredibly funny, Like she is yes, cringe and ridiculous

971
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: and says things out of just embarrassment or awkwardness or

972
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. But she's so hilarious but also

973
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: just so authentically herself and like so lovable.

974
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: You just how could you.

975
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: Not love that girl?

976
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think it makes us nostalgic, not

977
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: just for this movie, but for rom coms of the

978
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: of that type. Yes, pre dating app you know, more

979
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: whimsy before we realized how much that flat would cost

980
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: in London to range things like that. So anyway, I'll

981
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: be looking forward to a rewatch. I know a lot

982
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: of cinemas are actually doing screenings again because it's the

983
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: twenty fifth Anniverse, so come to go. Yeah, we should go.

984
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: We shouldn't know that was happening.

985
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: I rewatch it all the time, though, so I don't

986
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: know that that feels that special to me.

987
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: I haven't reatched.

988
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's going to make a rewatch feel special.

989
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: I think going to the cinema for it to see

990
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: it movie again.

991
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: I really like that people are doing like twenty fifth screenings.

992
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: It was Pride and Prejudice last year, and now it's like,

993
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of nice that cinemas are committing to like

994
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: bringing back old faves because I didn't get to see

995
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: it in the cinema when I was younger.

996
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: No, well, something to look forward to, Bridget Jones, I

997
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: mean remember it on April thirteenth, twenty five years to

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