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Speaker 1: Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2: guilty about it. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the

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Speaker 1: I'm really careful. I'm Kelly mccaren.

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Speaker 2: Now on Mondays, we answer you be questions, so people

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Speaker 1: But a good old DM will do.

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Speaker 2: And we try to be helpful when we answer them,

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Speaker 2: don't we kill We always do try.

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Speaker 1: To be helpful.

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Speaker 3: And today we've got a great question about overnight masks.

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Speaker 3: Then some fab recommendations. Well I think that they're fab

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Speaker 3: with our host Hackt but Lee, I think she's gonna

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Speaker 3: have a real giggle at me. But first, Janis has

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Speaker 3: emailed us. I'm really curious about your thoughts on aging.

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Speaker 3: Does working in the skincare industry make you more paranoid

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Speaker 1: Or do you care less as you get older?

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Speaker 3: I ask because before Instagram I barely thought about aging,

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Speaker 3: but now it's something I noticed daily.

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Speaker 1: For context.

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Speaker 3: I'm in my early forties, and I'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: What a great question. I have so many thoughts. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean you're asking us personally, but there's kind of

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Speaker 2: micro and macro opinions. I like, micro is asked, and

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Speaker 2: then macro is like the patriarchy and how our you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh God, let's do worry about that. Let's just pretend.

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Speaker 2: Let's do the micros so we will be here all day.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to turn forty three, and I started in

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Speaker 2: into beauty for the anti aging aspect. Really wasn't that

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Speaker 2: interested in the skin care element of my job.

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Speaker 1: Back then. I loved makeup, I loved hair.

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Speaker 2: get older, I definitely care less, and I think that

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I go on Instagram, and of course because I follow

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Speaker 2: for Oh no, do I need that? Because of this, also,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's interesting because when I started in beauty media, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do think it's something, particularly if I had a daughter.

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Speaker 2: But look back at my old photos, and I had

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Speaker 2: janis if it's getting to you recent Instagram algorithm, start

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Speaker 2: but that's why the group's they're eighty five thousand wonderful

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Speaker 2: problem too. And on that note, after the break, we're

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Speaker 2: going to chat about our favorite overnight face masks, so

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Speaker 2: Janelle asked, who is not Janus? Janelle asked, Hi, girls,

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping you might be able to recommend your favorite

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Speaker 2: I feel there's better out there and would love your

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Speaker 2: discussed on the pod before. Thanks, Love the Potty, Oh

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Speaker 2: can we ever? I love an overnight sleep mask. I

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Speaker 2: about how, despite having access to every product under the sun,

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Speaker 1: One two nights a week.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I literally go, okay, my seller and then I

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Speaker 2: just grab an overnight mask because I'm like, you're one step,

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Speaker 2: that's what you're design I'm not not doing my skincare

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Speaker 2: cal you go first with yours, because I've got quite.

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Speaker 3: A few, and my list is quite short because I

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Speaker 3: but I'm so in love with the one that I'm

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Speaker 3: obsessed with. So it came out about two years ago now,

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Speaker 3: the Murad Cellular Hydration Repair Mask, and at the time,

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Speaker 2: kel is a bit smug about something I reckon. Absolutely

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Speaker 3: No, it's just a reminder that instead of always rummaging

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Speaker 2: It's a magnetic bobypin holder.

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Speaker 3: You know what someone's going to someone's going to be like,

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