WEBVTT - This Glorious Mess: The Cupcake Fraud 

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, it's Anali's Todd here from this Glorious Mess, introducing

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<v Speaker 3>share your deepest parenting shame, and myself and Stacey Hicks

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<v Speaker 3>rate you, but the worst parenting wins the most points,

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy Parents Anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to this Glorious Mess. I'm Analyst Todd, single mother

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<v Speaker 3>and free range parenting.

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<v Speaker 1>Enthusiasts, and I'm Sacy Hicks. I'm the deputy editor at

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<v Speaker 1>Mamma Maya and a type perfectionist trying to be a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle parent, good trying that emphasis on the trying.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to Parents Anonymous.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your safe space where you can spill your

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<v Speaker 1>worst parenting moments and will basically praise you for them,

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<v Speaker 1>or not always praise you. You like critique a little.

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<v Speaker 3>There's vibe criteria, checks and balances.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we're here to make you feel better about them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. So it's Parents Anonymous. So you share your story

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<v Speaker 3>and get the guilt off your chest, and we give

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<v Speaker 3>you points based on our very serious and scientific grading

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<v Speaker 3>system aka vibe check. But the trick is the worst

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<v Speaker 3>parent you are, yeah, most likely, and it changes week

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<v Speaker 3>to week depending on our mood. And hence what we

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<v Speaker 3>said about the vibe check. Hormonal cycles do impact tolerance

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<v Speaker 3>levels and that's fine, but basically, the worst you are,

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<v Speaker 3>the more points you'll get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I'm feeling particularly fisty today speaking of the hormonals. Ohack,

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<v Speaker 1>have we sind up?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe a little cute?

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<v Speaker 1>So before we get into that, we always make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it is a trusted space where we confess something ourself. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've kind of stuffed up this week. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>an excellent parent.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what you think? Nothing to confess?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it just so happens that my Instagram addiction and

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<v Speaker 3>stalking has come into play because I believe that you

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<v Speaker 3>took your three year old to a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a G rated movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but what is the minimum age for popcorn? Stacy Hicks,

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<v Speaker 3>You're about to say, popcorn.

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<v Speaker 1>To a three year old is not allowed.

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<v Speaker 3>I learned this for the first time from me. So

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<v Speaker 3>you risked your child's life in a movie. I completely

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<v Speaker 3>forgotten about this very moment, and then I put it

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<v Speaker 3>on a public forum, so it days. I looked it

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<v Speaker 3>up just because I wanted to make sure I knew

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<v Speaker 3>what I was talking about. But popcorn is considered a

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<v Speaker 3>choking hazard for children under four years old by the

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<v Speaker 3>American Academy of Pediatrics.

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<v Speaker 1>I did spiral slightly. I have never given my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn before because I was one of those I told

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<v Speaker 1>you before cutting control freak. I cut the grapes, cut

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<v Speaker 1>squished the blueberries. Still still three at three, she complains

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It's okay, sorry, sorry for caring, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saving your life.

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<v Speaker 3>Sausage, no circles.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's in a stick form anale.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not how I parented.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the only reason my child's living and breathing

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<v Speaker 1>today thanks to me cutting everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know how mine are alive, from toddlers

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<v Speaker 3>to tweens, because my confession this week is we went

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<v Speaker 3>on a little holiday and it was lovely. I a

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<v Speaker 3>r I took my mom, so Nana was there, and

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<v Speaker 3>I took my twelve and nine year old boys and

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<v Speaker 3>we had absolute best time. On the first day, they

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<v Speaker 3>have you know, like PSA's popping up on the screens

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<v Speaker 3>and they were like minors must be in bed or

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<v Speaker 3>away from public areas by one am, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh wow, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's letting them stay up for that? It's so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>And then on the last night, they had a nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighties dress up theme. Now that is a youth theme

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<v Speaker 3>dress up theme if ever I have heard one, and

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<v Speaker 3>so perfect. We all dressed up, except my mom didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>She's not as out there as us. And they had

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<v Speaker 3>like an outdoor band and they had the cruise director

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<v Speaker 3>and the people doing organized dance offs and sing offs.

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<v Speaker 3>And then at one point Nana was like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to and I was like no, no worries. I got

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<v Speaker 3>this and I let my kids stay one. Were you

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<v Speaker 3>the one that got pulled over by the cruise police

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<v Speaker 3>say get these children back to their room. No, because

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<v Speaker 3>there were a lot of kids out. I just feel

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<v Speaker 3>like the regular rules of society do not apply at sea.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a good parenting movie because of the

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<v Speaker 3>core memory exactly it's bonding and time.

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<v Speaker 1>What is time? We care?

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<v Speaker 3>Julie partied like it was nineteen eighty nine. I love it,

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<v Speaker 3>But it was the next day. It was like they

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<v Speaker 3>had to hangover. Yeah, so the very very tired we

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<v Speaker 3>borrowed a lot of fun. Yeah yeah, from the day

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<v Speaker 3>famously popcorn and partying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's us. I didn't explain the rest of the popcorn story.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never given her popcorn. Before she saw the popcorn, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was free that I didn't even know this rule existed.

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<v Speaker 3>You're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I whispered the entire movie too, Kelly, so as not

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<v Speaker 1>to disturb anyone while she was eating it. And she survived.

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<v Speaker 1>But me saying that on my Instagram story did send

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other parents spiraling, telling me that they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't aware.

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<v Speaker 3>Of my or just didn't know it was a rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just didn't know it was a rule. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know was a risk.

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<v Speaker 3>So really, I've saved other children's lives potentially, so ten

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<v Speaker 3>out of ten to me, you need to move on

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<v Speaker 3>from squishing the blueberries. Yes, Troublebrosa. This show does not

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<v Speaker 3>exist without your guilty confessions. And as you can see,

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<v Speaker 3>you know we release ours. I feel better, I actually

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<v Speaker 3>feel a bit proud. Actually, you can leave us a

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<v Speaker 3>voice note, or if you want to be fully anonymous,

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<v Speaker 3>you can email us and we'll even read them out,

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<v Speaker 3>which we insufferably quite enjoy. Anyways, really do character voiceover. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and thank you to the people who continue to send

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<v Speaker 3>us your confessions. They bring us so much joy in

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<v Speaker 3>our otherwise bleak lives. And you can have a look

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<v Speaker 3>in the show notes for your confession options.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and on today's show, our mystery confessions, which we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard yet are called present Bouncer, cupcake, fraud, relatable,

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<v Speaker 1>and perks are.

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<v Speaker 3>For adults only aligned to proved hmm. Agreed, Let's go

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<v Speaker 3>all right. First one present bouncer and I will read

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<v Speaker 3>this out for full anonymity. I check all the gifts

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<v Speaker 3>that my kids receive for both their birthdays and Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>I then hide anything that makes too much noise or

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<v Speaker 3>a mess, like five hundred piece puzzles, drums, or make

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<v Speaker 3>your own bracelets with one thousand beads. My kids don't

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<v Speaker 3>know they never got the gift, and I always send

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<v Speaker 3>thank you cards to the giver. That's thoughtful, good etiquette.

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<v Speaker 3>The gifts that don't pass my mess level are either

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<v Speaker 3>regifted for someone else's birthday or I donate them. I

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<v Speaker 3>do not have time in my life to clean up

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand beads. In fact, I am mad that they

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<v Speaker 3>even sell them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, my first question, you don't have time for the

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<v Speaker 1>thousand beads, which I am very alied to. No one

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<v Speaker 1>has time for anything with beads, anything with glitter, anything

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<v Speaker 1>with little parts that you could step on in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 3>BlimE is banned from my house. BlimE, yes, stains carpets.

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<v Speaker 1>And even stickers I'm not that great on they stick.

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<v Speaker 1>My daughter sticks them to blankets and then you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get them off. But you've got the time to go

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<v Speaker 1>through all the presents, which I assume some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are wrapped. So what are we doing there to suss

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<v Speaker 1>out what the present is. Are you memory raprapre just

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<v Speaker 1>doing a very dodgy resealed job.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not only is she unwrapping and then potentially rewrapping,

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<v Speaker 3>she needs to have an Excel spreadsheet to monitor and

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<v Speaker 3>track who gave what gift so she doesn't regift back to.

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<v Speaker 1>The imagine exactly. Although you've got the perfect cover in

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<v Speaker 1>that situation, because you can go, well, you thought my

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<v Speaker 1>child would like it so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I got it. It was such a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Such my child loved it so much.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also you can only do this for a

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<v Speaker 3>certain amount of time as well, like you've got an

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<v Speaker 3>age kind of yeah limit because also they must be

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<v Speaker 3>very small. But no, then why would they have bracelets

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand bs? It's because and what's at a tree

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<v Speaker 3>arge system? Like how are you getting the presence away

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<v Speaker 3>hands to the child? And you go, oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just gonna pop this in hair for the sorting pile, yeap,

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<v Speaker 3>which is, as we know, a culing system with an

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<v Speaker 3>Excel spreadsheet, re wrapping, unwrapping thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Cards as well, you're doing a lot, you're doing a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Yeah, but she really is saving herself. In

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, she doesn't have slime, she doesn't have beads

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<v Speaker 1>or glitter. I do because I'm too lazy to do

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<v Speaker 1>this system.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in two minds because I think this is very

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<v Speaker 3>good for Cosey lives in terms of the regifting genius.

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<v Speaker 1>She's taking a little cut of the child's presence, of

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure they got lots anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing. Children are too spoilt these day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes they don't need all the things. But you know

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<v Speaker 3>where it comes in for me, the inauthenticity, the line

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<v Speaker 3>to the children.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Now you've said this, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>gift all kids glitter and see if you like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fine with glitter is just slime, hardline slime. Everything

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<v Speaker 3>else is I'm going to give them a bulk pack

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<v Speaker 3>of slime, and I'm going to hand it to them

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<v Speaker 3>in a gift bag so they can see immediately what's inside,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can't take it away. Mom does Okay, we

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<v Speaker 3>do Father Christmas, we do lighter kids. So I've just

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<v Speaker 3>got to put that because that's my little bugbear. That's

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<v Speaker 3>my issue, not this.

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<v Speaker 1>Please. We lie to them all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my issue. Okay, so that to the side. It's

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<v Speaker 3>definitely saving a lot of headaches, but you are creating

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more admin And yet the Excel spreadsheet, the tracking,

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<v Speaker 3>the thank you notes, the unwrapping and the rewrapping of

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<v Speaker 3>the present. Yes, yep, you go first, because I just can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't decide.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a bit of organization, and I love that

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<v Speaker 1>this is short term pain, long term gain. She's not

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with these things for the months afterwards. She is

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<v Speaker 1>having to do a lot at the time of the

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<v Speaker 1>birthday or Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>She really is.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like that she's gone, Nope, life's too short.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not dealing with those things in my house. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them here. So this is how I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like that. And a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>lying to well, she's not lying to the kids. She's

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<v Speaker 1>just not letting them see things that they didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>She was running a regifting side.

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<v Speaker 1>Hustle, so it's a victimless crime. So I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like it. So I'm giving her eight and a half

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<v Speaker 1>backs of slime out of ten, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>give you the same at Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Look, I think I'm going to give her

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<v Speaker 3>nine beads out of ten, which went quite high. One

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<v Speaker 3>I came around, thank you, thanks for getting me off

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<v Speaker 3>the fence. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And our second confession is called cupcake fraud. Something I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you know a little bit about.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know, because I never pretend to bake,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm really intrigued to see the four senticity.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. A few years ago, we had to

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<v Speaker 1>make homemade items for a bake sale at school. It

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<v Speaker 1>was specifically specified that it must be homemade, which I found,

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<v Speaker 1>as you ladies like to say in.

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<v Speaker 3>Insufferable blind approach, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the most insufferable thing I've ever heard. So I

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<v Speaker 1>obviously didn't bake, and I bought a bunch of cupcakes

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<v Speaker 1>from the very pricey bakery in my suburb. Everyone loved

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<v Speaker 1>them so much and wanted the recipe, so I had

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<v Speaker 1>to play the whole I'll never tell, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have been my go to for all events,

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<v Speaker 1>and then just last week the bakery announced they are closing.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than come clean or learn how to bake, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been in every day for a week to balk by

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<v Speaker 1>and freeze the cupcake far so I have them till

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<v Speaker 1>at least my child finishes primary school next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I was gonna say, wow, yeah, like seven years.

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<v Speaker 3>They must have a few deep freezes.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just imagining the energy bill of the multiple

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<v Speaker 1>deep freezes you have in your garage.

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<v Speaker 3>To fill up the cupcakes. Just to save face.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, first point, let's go back to them making you

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<v Speaker 1>make homemade goods.

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<v Speaker 3>Not aligned not a pro. First of all, I can't bake.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, there's a time issue, like time for

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just really bad at it. They either turn out

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<v Speaker 3>into rocks or very flat pancakes. To be a cake,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to get the density or the

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<v Speaker 3>rising or unrising right. They taste bad. I even stuff

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<v Speaker 3>up packet cakes.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to say, I'm the same even when

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<v Speaker 1>I do them from the packet. How can I make

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<v Speaker 1>this wrong? I'm only just adding eggs.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. Or pancakes. You decide, choose your own adventure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not fun for you. You're not getting to eat. I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder why they specified that you must make them. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like why, Like maybe they're one of those schools where

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<v Speaker 3>it's gluten friend. No, because she would have included that. Yeah. True,

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<v Speaker 3>and if it's just like you know, packet cake, they

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<v Speaker 3>have that on the side. Yeah, but I love.

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<v Speaker 1>That you disobeyed the rules. It's my favorite thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you've done that, mostly because I'm a goodie two shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though I'm a terrible, terrible cook, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have still made them myself and had to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>that embarrassment. You've just cut that out and gone Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>not sticking with that. Yeah, I'll just go and buy some.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what. I would have almost cooked them

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<v Speaker 3>and just shown just how bad they can be as

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<v Speaker 3>like a teachable moment. Yeah, this is why you shouldn't special.

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<v Speaker 3>Why should have made me do this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is your own fault that you're now feeding these

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<v Speaker 1>to the children.

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<v Speaker 3>We all have skills in life, yep. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>make us do a skill that we're not good at,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the outcome, and this is resilience training for

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<v Speaker 3>you and your rules.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what you get.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, so don't get upset. Yeah, just change the

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<v Speaker 3>rules and let us Why.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love that she then she still went with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they've said, everyone loved them. Everyone asked her for

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<v Speaker 1>the recipe. I'll ever tell and she's gone. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doubling down here. I'm not admitting it, because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between you and this lovely person. You proudly come

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<v Speaker 1>in a quick stop across the road at the shops.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still in the plastic and say, bake sale tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>is sorted for your kids. So I love that she's

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<v Speaker 1>just gone with this, and then tripling down the bakery

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<v Speaker 1>is closing. You've got it sorted. You've got an alibi

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<v Speaker 1>for the next year. Now this is actually further proof

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<v Speaker 1>of her lie because if anyone suspected they were from

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<v Speaker 1>the bakery, the bakery is now gone and the cupcakes remain.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I'm not a baker, but when one do you

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<v Speaker 3>frost's I sing? Doesn't that go yuck? Isn't it like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm really stretching. Isn't it like butter and

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<v Speaker 3>sugar and I sink sugar. Then if you freeze butter

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<v Speaker 3>and then at defrost, doesn't it go a bit?

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't you seen these experiments people do where they'll put

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<v Speaker 1>like a fast food burger in a cupboard for a

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<v Speaker 1>year and they come back and it still looks fine,

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<v Speaker 1>Like when sugar's in the equation I think they're indestructible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you could eat these in ten years. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably not actually safe, but I think that you could.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, look, if they're that good, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they're like a seven out of ten compared to normal,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still going to be pretty and.

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<v Speaker 3>Better than what we could achieve.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty impressive. Yeah, better than anything we could do, and

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<v Speaker 1>better than anything she could.

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<v Speaker 3>Do under duress. Yeah, that we must provide a home

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<v Speaker 3>baked solution.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. And she's actually just now meal prep too.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just covered herself for the whole year. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to think about this at alls.

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<v Speaker 3>Taken mental load away for cupcakes sales. There's nothing, there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to confess here. You're just a bloody genius. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm giving ten fraudulent defrosted cupcakes out of ten.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving you ten deep for out of ten because

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably how many you're going to need to keep

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<v Speaker 1>all of these cupcakes until next year. But I love

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<v Speaker 1>the commit to the lie. You've gone with a long game. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the perfect alibi now that the bakery is closed.

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<v Speaker 1>Really they are yours. You did make them.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't to the people and how dare they tell

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<v Speaker 3>her to Yeah, you must bake.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you for using our favorite word, insufferable, so

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<v Speaker 1>you get a bonus point for that. So you get

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<v Speaker 1>eleven deep rases out of ten your.

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<v Speaker 3>Service Confession number three, perks are for adults only. Correct, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this sounds really bad, will be the judge of that.

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<v Speaker 3>But our kids are really needy. Yep, they can be,

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<v Speaker 3>they can Yep. They always want to spend time with

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<v Speaker 3>my husband and I, and we absolutely do spend time

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<v Speaker 3>with them. But when it comes to having a night

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<v Speaker 3>out or a quick excursion without them, they whine and

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<v Speaker 3>wine and wine, so we have to tell lies to

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<v Speaker 3>be alone or get adult treats.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't say the L word to the authenticity queen over

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<v Speaker 1>the actual.

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<v Speaker 3>Belt, hang on, hang on, like telling the kids who

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<v Speaker 3>are thirteen and nine, I've got a lot of thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>that we needed to go to Bunnings, knowing they would

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<v Speaker 3>want to stay home, and we went out and got

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<v Speaker 3>sushi for a little lunch date. In fact, we've been

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<v Speaker 3>doing things like this for years. When they were much littler,

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<v Speaker 3>we'd sometimes change all the clocks so we could put

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<v Speaker 3>them to bed really early and we'd have more time

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<v Speaker 3>to hang out as a couple. Okay, Look, I've got

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of thoughts here. My first one is, look,

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<v Speaker 3>they're very much not at risk of getting a divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice to really prioritize.

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<v Speaker 3>Their marriage, yes, which I love for them. That's very cute,

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<v Speaker 3>is very healthy and good for your marriage. And I

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<v Speaker 3>want to just come back to the kids ages thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>and nine. I don't feel like you need to lie

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<v Speaker 3>to a teenager and teenager that you're going to Bunnings

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<v Speaker 3>or going for a date.

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<v Speaker 1>But what a cute family are they that those kids,

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<v Speaker 1>even though there's a teenager there, they so badly want

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<v Speaker 1>to be around their parents that they'll go with them

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<v Speaker 1>if they're going out for That's very sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>It is because you know what, most thirteen year olds

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to know you exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to know anyone thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's so cute, very grateful this teenager wants to

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<v Speaker 3>be around you, because soon they won't, and then you'll

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<v Speaker 3>probably look back at this time and not feel great

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<v Speaker 3>about all.

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<v Speaker 1>The web of lies that you've created to get away

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<v Speaker 1>from them. No, I kind of love it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's smart. Can I ask about this clock trick? Does

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<v Speaker 1>that work because you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can definitely still do that. Did you tell time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, she's three and a half. She absolutely cannot

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<v Speaker 1>tell the time to say, but she can tell if

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<v Speaker 1>it's light enough outside. She will not go to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>until the Christmas lights.

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<v Speaker 3>But daylight savings, that changes, so that's not reliable.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think it's great you need to have your

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<v Speaker 1>alone time, like it's so important to have your alone

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<v Speaker 1>time together. I agree, and to have conversations that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>them going ma'am, break my chops here.

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<v Speaker 3>But you don't need to lie to a thirteen or

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<v Speaker 3>nine year old that you're going to a date night.

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<v Speaker 3>That's called healthy role modeling of a healthy relationship. They

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<v Speaker 3>should be able to accept and tolerate and have the

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<v Speaker 3>resilience to enable you to go out and have a

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<v Speaker 3>movie night or a dinner out without them and know

0:20:56.090 --> 0:20:59.290
<v Speaker 3>that they will be okay. I feel like my only

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<v Speaker 3>issue is the inauthentic, because they should be resilient enough

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to handle you not being there without

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<v Speaker 3>you lying about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but people are busy, they've got things to do.

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<v Speaker 1>They just want to get out of there without the winging,

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<v Speaker 1>So they're just giving them a little white Lie. They're

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<v Speaker 1>happy enough, they get to do what they want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I love it. I like to just go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>The clocks thing is genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is genius and I will be trying that.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for sharing that so we would.

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<v Speaker 3>Have more time to hang out as a couple. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the golden standard of marriage, isn't it it is?

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<v Speaker 3>That's very sweet, unrelatable as the divorces in the room,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think definitely that's a very healthy, positive marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't know about the healthy and positivity toxic

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<v Speaker 3>line to the thirteen or nine year old about where

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<v Speaker 3>you are, No, I think it's fine. I think it's great. Fine, Okay, Lie,

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<v Speaker 3>Lie do it? Okay? What's your points then?

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<v Speaker 1>To me? I don't think it's the worst thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do because they are going and having their little dates.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just at a different location than the one they're

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<v Speaker 1>telling their children. It's not at Bunning's, is it sush

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<v Speaker 1>it's giving mistress, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually fine that you do this. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>your points are lower in my eyes, So I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you six sushi dates out of ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Why have you taken points off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's harmless.

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<v Speaker 3>Parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the kids don't know you lied, so it's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, of course the inauthenticya you're going attack. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like a thirteen or nine year old should have the

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<v Speaker 3>resilience to be able to deal with the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>you want to have time about them, and you should

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<v Speaker 3>be grateful that the thirteen year old I'm projecting here,

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<v Speaker 3>but you would be so grateful that your thirteen year

0:22:47.370 --> 0:22:49.170
<v Speaker 3>old not staying out with you because they won't soon.

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<v Speaker 3>So for this, I think I'm going to because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>torn because it's very good, it's very positive, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>marriage and modeling and carving out time. So I'm really torn.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think I'm just going to land on just

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<v Speaker 3>sort of maybe eight little lies out of ten, because

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<v Speaker 3>the lies the part for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've been very very upset by that.

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<v Speaker 3>I am okay. So declaring a winner for today, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like so we had in my bones, I

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<v Speaker 3>know who it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But bouncer the person triaging all the presents and then

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<v Speaker 1>deciding whether they're worthy of.

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<v Speaker 3>Their child, unwrapping them in secret, re wrapping them, having

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<v Speaker 3>an Excel spreadsheet.

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<v Speaker 1>We assumed keeping a cut of the presence regive bloody

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<v Speaker 1>gen that's great, cupcake fraud, lying, doubling down and then

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<v Speaker 1>tripling down, saving of the face, and also meal prepping

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<v Speaker 1>for the year.

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<v Speaker 3>I love this. I won't tell you it's too good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too good.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the perks are for adults the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>The horny adults just can't get enough of each other

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<v Speaker 3>and don't want to be around the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yep, so I think it's pretty clear who we're

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<v Speaker 1>loving the most this week. They're all brilliant, of course, But.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the strategy behind the cupcakes yep. For me, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the really doubling down into that saving of face yep,

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<v Speaker 3>and just filling up a deep reason really well baked

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<v Speaker 3>cup fabulous. It's power to the people, and it's right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's rebellion. It's forming a mission against people telling you

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<v Speaker 3>that you must bake a homemade cupcake.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Good on you.

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<v Speaker 1>See today's winner. If you've got a confession, we would

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear it. Please send us your secret shames.

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<v Speaker 1>All the details are in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 3>else to listen to. Mamma Mia is officially presenting one

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