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Speaker 3: Hi, it's Anali's Todd here from this Glorious Mess, introducing

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Speaker 3: hot Pod Summer, one hundred hours of curated listening across

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Speaker 3: the Mummamere network, just for you to escape the chaos

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Speaker 3: and enjoy with the kids at home and the weather

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Speaker 3: warming up. We've got episodes of Parents' Anonymous to share.

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Speaker 3: Parents Anonymous is part game show, part church confessional. You

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Speaker 3: share your deepest parenting shame, and myself and Stacey Hicks

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Speaker 3: rate you, but the worst parenting wins the most points,

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Speaker 3: so really you can't lose. And if you want more,

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Speaker 1: Enjoy Parents Anonymous.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to this Glorious Mess. I'm Analyst Todd, single mother

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Speaker 3: and free range parenting.

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Speaker 1: Enthusiasts, and I'm Sacy Hicks. I'm the deputy editor at

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Speaker 1: Mamma Maya and a type perfectionist trying to be a

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Speaker 1: gentle parent, good trying that emphasis on the trying.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Parents Anonymous.

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Speaker 1: This is your safe space where you can spill your

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Speaker 1: worst parenting moments and will basically praise you for them,

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Speaker 1: or not always praise you. You like critique a little.

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Speaker 3: There's vibe criteria, checks and balances.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're here to make you feel better about them.

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Speaker 3: Yes. So it's Parents Anonymous. So you share your story

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Speaker 3: and get the guilt off your chest, and we give

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Speaker 3: system aka vibe check. But the trick is the worst

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Speaker 3: parent you are, yeah, most likely, and it changes week

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm feeling particularly fisty today speaking of the hormonals. Ohack,

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Speaker 1: So before we get into that, we always make sure

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Speaker 1: that it is a trusted space where we confess something ourself. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I've kind of stuffed up this week. I've been

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you think? Nothing to confess?

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Speaker 3: Well, it just so happens that my Instagram addiction and

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Speaker 3: stalking has come into play because I believe that you

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Speaker 3: took your three year old to a movie.

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Speaker 1: I did a G rated movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but what is the minimum age for popcorn? Stacy Hicks,

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Speaker 3: You're about to say, popcorn.

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Speaker 1: I did spiral slightly. I have never given my daughter

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Speaker 3: This is not how I parented.

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Speaker 3: So really, I've saved other children's lives potentially, so ten

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Speaker 3: from squishing the blueberries. Yes, Troublebrosa. This show does not

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Speaker 3: which we insufferably quite enjoy. Anyways, really do character voiceover. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and thank you to the people who continue to send

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Speaker 1: Yes, and on today's show, our mystery confessions, which we

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Speaker 3: For adults only aligned to proved hmm. Agreed, Let's go

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Speaker 3: BlimE is banned from my house. BlimE, yes, stains carpets.

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Speaker 1: And even stickers I'm not that great on they stick.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing. Children are too spoilt these day.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Now you've said this, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: so you can't take it away. Mom does Okay, we

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Speaker 3: my issue, not this.

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Speaker 1: Please. We lie to them all the time.

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Speaker 3: That's my issue. Okay, so that to the side. It's

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Speaker 3: the present. Yes, yep, you go first, because I just can't.

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Speaker 1: this is short term pain, long term gain. She's not

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Speaker 3: She really is.

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Speaker 1: But I like that she's gone, Nope, life's too short.

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Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with those things in my house. I

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Speaker 3: To fill up the cupcakes. Just to save face.

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Speaker 3: Why should have made me do this?

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Speaker 3: We all have skills in life, yep. And if you

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Speaker 1: But I love that she then she still went with it.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not a baker, but when one do you

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Speaker 3: frost's I sing? Doesn't that go yuck? Isn't it like

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Speaker 3: Do under duress. Yeah, that we must provide a home

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Speaker 3: Taken mental load away for cupcakes sales. There's nothing, there's

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Speaker 3: nothing to confess here. You're just a bloody genius. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm giving ten fraudulent defrosted cupcakes out of ten.

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Speaker 1: all of these cupcakes until next year. But I love

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Speaker 1: the commit to the lie. You've gone with a long game. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And thank you for using our favorite word, insufferable, so

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Speaker 3: Service Confession number three, perks are for adults only. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Belt, hang on, hang on, like telling the kids who

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Speaker 3: that we needed to go to Bunnings, knowing they would

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Speaker 3: doing things like this for years. When they were much littler,

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Speaker 1: Nice to really prioritize.

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Speaker 1: But what a cute family are they that those kids,

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Speaker 3: It is because you know what, most thirteen year olds

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Speaker 3: So it's so cute, very grateful this teenager wants to

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Speaker 1: The web of lies that you've created to get away

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Speaker 3: Can definitely still do that. Did you tell time?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's great you need to have your

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Speaker 3: But you don't need to lie to a thirteen or

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Speaker 3: That's called healthy role modeling of a healthy relationship. They

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Speaker 1: I know, but people are busy, they've got things to do.

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Speaker 1: They just want to get out of there without the winging,

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Speaker 1: So they're just giving them a little white Lie. They're

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Speaker 1: Then I love it. I like to just go for it.

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Speaker 3: The clocks thing is genius.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is genius and I will be trying that.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that so we would.

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Speaker 3: Have more time to hang out as a couple. I mean,

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Speaker 3: That's very sweet, unrelatable as the divorces in the room,

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Speaker 3: but I think definitely that's a very healthy, positive marriage.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know about the healthy and positivity toxic

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Speaker 3: you are, No, I think it's fine. I think it's great. Fine, Okay, Lie,

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Speaker 3: Lie do it? Okay? What's your points then?

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Speaker 1: To me? I don't think it's the worst thing to

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Speaker 1: It's just at a different location than the one they're

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Speaker 1: it's giving mistress, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually fine that you do this. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: you six sushi dates out of ten.

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Speaker 3: Why have you taken points off.

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Speaker 1: It's harmless.

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Speaker 3: Parents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the kids don't know you lied, so it's fine.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course the inauthenticya you're going attack. I feel

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Speaker 3: like a thirteen or nine year old should have the

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Speaker 3: resilience to be able to deal with the fact that

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Speaker 3: you want to have time about them, and you should

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Speaker 3: be grateful that the thirteen year old I'm projecting here,

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Speaker 3: but you would be so grateful that your thirteen year

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Speaker 3: old not staying out with you because they won't soon.

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Speaker 3: So for this, I think I'm going to because I'm

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Speaker 3: torn because it's very good, it's very positive, you know,

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Speaker 3: marriage and modeling and carving out time. So I'm really torn.

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Speaker 3: But I think I'm just going to land on just

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Speaker 3: sort of maybe eight little lies out of ten, because

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Speaker 3: the lies the part for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been very very upset by that.

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Speaker 3: I am okay. So declaring a winner for today, yes,

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Speaker 3: I feel like so we had in my bones, I

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Speaker 3: know who it is.

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Speaker 1: But bouncer the person triaging all the presents and then

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Speaker 1: deciding whether they're worthy of.

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Speaker 3: Their child, unwrapping them in secret, re wrapping them, having

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Speaker 3: an Excel spreadsheet.

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Speaker 1: We assumed keeping a cut of the presence regive bloody

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Speaker 1: gen that's great, cupcake fraud, lying, doubling down and then

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Speaker 1: tripling down, saving of the face, and also meal prepping

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Speaker 1: for the year.

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Speaker 3: I love this. I won't tell you it's too good.

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Speaker 3: It's too good.

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Speaker 1: And then the perks are for adults the kids.

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Speaker 3: The horny adults just can't get enough of each other

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Speaker 3: and don't want to be around the kids.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, so I think it's pretty clear who we're

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Speaker 1: loving the most this week. They're all brilliant, of course, But.

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Speaker 3: It's the strategy behind the cupcakes yep. For me, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the really doubling down into that saving of face yep,

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Speaker 3: and just filling up a deep reason really well baked

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Speaker 3: cup fabulous. It's power to the people, and it's right.

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Speaker 3: It's rebellion. It's forming a mission against people telling you

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Speaker 3: that you must bake a homemade cupcake.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Good on you.

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Speaker 1: See today's winner. If you've got a confession, we would

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Speaker 1: love to hear it. Please send us your secret shames.

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Speaker 1: All the details are in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: See next to you later if you're looking for something

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Speaker 3: else to listen to. Mamma Mia is officially presenting one

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Speaker 3: hundred hours of summer listens, from meaningful conversations to incredible stories, fashion, beauty,

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Speaker 3: and more. There's a link in the show notes