1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mamma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:21,414 Speaker 1: is recorded on. Hey Quickie friends, Taylor dropping into your 4 00:00:21,414 --> 00:00:24,494 Speaker 1: feed for another listening reco So we know now the 5 00:00:24,534 --> 00:00:27,134 Speaker 1: federal election will see ozsi's headed to the polls on 6 00:00:27,214 --> 00:00:30,654 Speaker 1: May III, and understanding who might lead our country is 7 00:00:30,814 --> 00:00:34,134 Speaker 1: critical for making an informed decision at the ballot box. 8 00:00:34,694 --> 00:00:37,494 Speaker 1: That's why No Filter host Kate Langbrook invited both Prime 9 00:00:37,494 --> 00:00:42,014 Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanesi and Opposition leader Peter Dutton free candid conversation. 10 00:00:42,814 --> 00:00:46,414 Speaker 1: These interviews go deeper than the usual political coverage. Rather 11 00:00:46,454 --> 00:00:49,894 Speaker 1: than just focusing on policies in party positions, Kate explores 12 00:00:49,934 --> 00:00:53,574 Speaker 1: who Dutton and Albot are as people, their backgrounds, values 13 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:57,294 Speaker 1: and vision for Australia's future. So, whether you're still weighing 14 00:00:57,374 --> 00:01:00,014 Speaker 1: up your voting options or simply want a more complete 15 00:01:00,054 --> 00:01:02,374 Speaker 1: picture of the people who could be the next Prime 16 00:01:02,374 --> 00:01:07,214 Speaker 1: Minister of Australia, these conversations provide valuable perspective. So here's 17 00:01:07,254 --> 00:01:10,214 Speaker 1: Kate Langbrook's No Filter interview with the Opposition leader Peter 18 00:01:10,334 --> 00:01:13,094 Speaker 1: Dutton and don't worry also with the Quickie Feed is 19 00:01:13,174 --> 00:01:16,414 Speaker 1: Kate's other conversation with Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi. 20 00:01:17,454 --> 00:01:20,774 Speaker 2: People can judge Anthony Albanzi or they can judge me. 21 00:01:21,734 --> 00:01:24,294 Speaker 2: I can only talk from my perspective. I believe that 22 00:01:24,334 --> 00:01:26,414 Speaker 2: I'm the same person I was when I came into politics. 23 00:01:26,454 --> 00:01:28,694 Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully I'll mature it in a number of 24 00:01:28,694 --> 00:01:29,854 Speaker 2: ways and different. 25 00:01:29,774 --> 00:01:30,534 Speaker 3: Perspectives, etc. 26 00:01:30,854 --> 00:01:36,094 Speaker 2: But my base being got the same friends from school. 27 00:01:36,494 --> 00:01:39,494 Speaker 2: I've always been conscious of keeping your feet on the ground. 28 00:01:47,094 --> 00:01:50,374 Speaker 4: For Mom and Maya. You're listening to a special episode 29 00:01:50,414 --> 00:01:53,894 Speaker 4: of No Filter. I'm your host, Kate lane Brook. Australian 30 00:01:53,934 --> 00:01:57,134 Speaker 4: women have a very big choice to make in the 31 00:01:57,174 --> 00:02:01,574 Speaker 4: coming weeks. The women of Australia will be voting for 32 00:02:01,654 --> 00:02:04,614 Speaker 4: the next Prime Minister at a time when the world 33 00:02:04,774 --> 00:02:10,774 Speaker 4: feels unpredictable, where so many people are about their futures 34 00:02:11,014 --> 00:02:14,414 Speaker 4: and the futures of their children. Because our mission here 35 00:02:14,454 --> 00:02:16,494 Speaker 4: at Mamma Maya is to make the world a better 36 00:02:16,534 --> 00:02:21,054 Speaker 4: place for women and girls, We've invited both Prime Minister 37 00:02:21,134 --> 00:02:25,414 Speaker 4: Anthony Albanesi and the Opposition leader Peter Dutton onto No 38 00:02:25,534 --> 00:02:30,214 Speaker 4: Filter to speak directly to you. And because this is 39 00:02:30,334 --> 00:02:34,094 Speaker 4: no Filter, the conversation you're about to hear. Isn't only 40 00:02:34,334 --> 00:02:39,014 Speaker 4: about politics and policy positions, but it's also about the 41 00:02:39,054 --> 00:02:43,014 Speaker 4: man behind the politics, the person who's asking for us 42 00:02:43,654 --> 00:02:48,574 Speaker 4: to put our trust in them. Here's my conversation with 43 00:02:48,694 --> 00:02:54,374 Speaker 4: the leader of the Opposition, Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton, Peter 44 00:02:54,454 --> 00:02:57,094 Speaker 4: Craig Dutton, welcome to No Filter. 45 00:02:57,294 --> 00:02:58,414 Speaker 3: It's great to be here. Thank you. 46 00:02:58,854 --> 00:03:05,374 Speaker 4: I am so intrigued by you because you are a 47 00:03:05,414 --> 00:03:10,494 Speaker 4: contender for the highest job in the land from governor general. 48 00:03:10,534 --> 00:03:11,734 Speaker 3: Is that from governor general? 49 00:03:11,934 --> 00:03:15,534 Speaker 4: H aside from governor general, and yet you travel amongst 50 00:03:15,614 --> 00:03:22,494 Speaker 4: us as almost like a mythical beast because you are 51 00:03:22,534 --> 00:03:24,694 Speaker 4: a man with no nickname. 52 00:03:25,334 --> 00:03:29,494 Speaker 2: I get to DUTs. That's that's sort of the main 53 00:03:29,534 --> 00:03:33,134 Speaker 2: thing PC. From my schoolmates from high school. 54 00:03:33,934 --> 00:03:39,094 Speaker 4: Uh, that's what do you get Peter Craig, Ah right, okay, 55 00:03:39,694 --> 00:03:44,374 Speaker 4: because then you were a police constable you were, yeah, right, 56 00:03:44,774 --> 00:03:47,974 Speaker 4: Because you're very intriguing in the sense that if you 57 00:03:48,014 --> 00:03:51,734 Speaker 4: look at the political landscape, which most of us don't 58 00:03:51,734 --> 00:03:56,654 Speaker 4: get to do with kind of any you know, microscopic detail. 59 00:03:58,454 --> 00:04:02,334 Speaker 4: I know the shape of Albanesi, who's the Prime minister, 60 00:04:03,134 --> 00:04:06,254 Speaker 4: but I do not know the shape of you, and 61 00:04:06,294 --> 00:04:11,054 Speaker 4: when I speak to other friends, it's a very common 62 00:04:11,574 --> 00:04:17,334 Speaker 4: kind of relationship that people have with you. Why do 63 00:04:17,414 --> 00:04:18,174 Speaker 4: you think that is? 64 00:04:19,534 --> 00:04:23,494 Speaker 2: I think it's true of most contenders for this office 65 00:04:23,574 --> 00:04:28,054 Speaker 2: because the public just don't have a day to day 66 00:04:28,614 --> 00:04:30,854 Speaker 2: interest in politics. 67 00:04:30,934 --> 00:04:32,214 Speaker 3: It's just it's part of our culture. 68 00:04:32,254 --> 00:04:34,414 Speaker 2: And when people see it on TV, they flip the channel, 69 00:04:34,494 --> 00:04:37,614 Speaker 2: or they're annoyed by the discussion, or ones as bad 70 00:04:37,654 --> 00:04:40,854 Speaker 2: as the other, or it's a boring conversation, not relevant 71 00:04:40,854 --> 00:04:44,014 Speaker 2: to me. And it's not until people start to sharpen 72 00:04:44,054 --> 00:04:46,814 Speaker 2: their focus and think about in some cases not until 73 00:04:46,854 --> 00:04:49,614 Speaker 2: the dying hours of a campaign about who they're going 74 00:04:49,614 --> 00:04:55,014 Speaker 2: to vote for. So and if you're a reality TV star, 75 00:04:56,734 --> 00:04:58,694 Speaker 2: as is the case in the US, then I guess 76 00:04:58,734 --> 00:04:59,774 Speaker 2: you're a household name. 77 00:04:59,854 --> 00:05:03,334 Speaker 3: But right here, I don't think that's generally the case. 78 00:05:03,694 --> 00:05:07,814 Speaker 4: I ask because you know, there's the perception of you 79 00:05:08,014 --> 00:05:13,414 Speaker 4: as being like a formidable kind of like a darkish 80 00:05:13,454 --> 00:05:14,214 Speaker 4: sort of figure. 81 00:05:14,334 --> 00:05:14,534 Speaker 3: Yes. 82 00:05:16,334 --> 00:05:19,614 Speaker 4: And this amazing thing happened to me last week when 83 00:05:19,654 --> 00:05:23,294 Speaker 4: I was at the Kylie concert right in Melbourne, and 84 00:05:23,334 --> 00:05:26,374 Speaker 4: this guy came up to me and he said, I 85 00:05:26,374 --> 00:05:28,734 Speaker 4: won't say his name, but you'll be able to work 86 00:05:28,774 --> 00:05:31,054 Speaker 4: out who it is or anyway. And he ended up 87 00:05:31,054 --> 00:05:33,174 Speaker 4: saying to me he was there with his partner and 88 00:05:33,254 --> 00:05:36,454 Speaker 4: he said, I'm a politician and I said, oh, that's interesting. 89 00:05:36,454 --> 00:05:38,934 Speaker 4: My brother's a politician. He goes, I know your brother. 90 00:05:39,054 --> 00:05:42,374 Speaker 4: My brother's in the Liberal Party on the in Queensland. 91 00:05:43,254 --> 00:05:49,014 Speaker 4: And I told him that I was interviewing you, and 92 00:05:49,134 --> 00:05:52,254 Speaker 4: he said, well, I don't sit on that side of 93 00:05:52,294 --> 00:05:56,814 Speaker 4: the aisle, but you're going to love Peter Darton. 94 00:05:57,814 --> 00:05:59,974 Speaker 3: And I was like, I thought that was going very 95 00:05:59,974 --> 00:06:01,174 Speaker 3: bad a second. 96 00:06:01,094 --> 00:06:04,054 Speaker 4: How bizarre, because I'm like, mate, you are high on Kylie. 97 00:06:04,854 --> 00:06:07,814 Speaker 4: What's going to happen? And then his partner said to me, 98 00:06:07,974 --> 00:06:10,454 Speaker 4: she said, I'm so left nearly not even on the 99 00:06:10,494 --> 00:06:15,134 Speaker 4: same page. But if I was lost, Peter Dutton is 100 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:16,894 Speaker 4: the man that I would want looking for me. 101 00:06:17,654 --> 00:06:19,094 Speaker 3: That's very kind. Now. 102 00:06:19,134 --> 00:06:24,134 Speaker 4: That was extraordinary to me, only because it was so 103 00:06:24,174 --> 00:06:28,254 Speaker 4: at odds with what the I'm going to say, the 104 00:06:28,254 --> 00:06:29,174 Speaker 4: public perception of it. 105 00:06:29,414 --> 00:06:30,814 Speaker 2: No, I think it's a fair point. And I think 106 00:06:30,854 --> 00:06:35,014 Speaker 2: you get painted in a particular way and sometimes you 107 00:06:35,054 --> 00:06:36,294 Speaker 2: can be your own worst enemy. 108 00:06:36,334 --> 00:06:40,334 Speaker 3: And I've had roles which are pretty tough roles. 109 00:06:40,054 --> 00:06:46,454 Speaker 2: And that shapes how people perceive you, and in a 110 00:06:46,494 --> 00:06:48,734 Speaker 2: six second grab on the TV of a nighttime where 111 00:06:48,734 --> 00:06:52,654 Speaker 2: you're trying to deliver a blow to your political opponent, 112 00:06:53,774 --> 00:06:56,014 Speaker 2: that's different than if you're doing a long form interview 113 00:06:56,134 --> 00:06:59,854 Speaker 2: or you're doing a breakfast TV segment and you're able 114 00:06:59,894 --> 00:07:03,694 Speaker 2: to joke and show the true side. And I've also 115 00:07:03,774 --> 00:07:06,774 Speaker 2: been a very private person. I sort of sound strange, 116 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:11,134 Speaker 2: but I don't enjoy talking about my childhood and my 117 00:07:11,254 --> 00:07:13,854 Speaker 2: family and the rest of it. It's a given, it's 118 00:07:13,894 --> 00:07:17,054 Speaker 2: a must because of this job. You're in the public eye, 119 00:07:17,134 --> 00:07:19,414 Speaker 2: so you have no choice. But maybe because of that, 120 00:07:19,654 --> 00:07:23,054 Speaker 2: I haven't sort of opened up enough over the years 121 00:07:23,094 --> 00:07:27,534 Speaker 2: about you know, my background, who I am, what has 122 00:07:27,614 --> 00:07:30,454 Speaker 2: influenced me. And more of that story has come out 123 00:07:30,534 --> 00:07:33,454 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, and it's amazing how 124 00:07:33,494 --> 00:07:36,454 Speaker 2: many people have that exact conversation. They stop you at 125 00:07:36,454 --> 00:07:38,894 Speaker 2: an airport or a shopping center and say, you know, 126 00:07:38,934 --> 00:07:40,534 Speaker 2: I saw you on this or heard you on that, 127 00:07:40,774 --> 00:07:43,934 Speaker 2: and just completely different than I thought you were. And 128 00:07:44,174 --> 00:07:47,494 Speaker 2: so it's funny how people can tell it. So I 129 00:07:47,534 --> 00:07:50,614 Speaker 2: remember in twenty eighteen when we had a leadership change 130 00:07:50,734 --> 00:07:53,854 Speaker 2: and Malcolm left the prime ministership. I remember thinking at 131 00:07:53,854 --> 00:07:56,534 Speaker 2: that stage, if I leave politics now, I'm sort of 132 00:07:56,534 --> 00:08:01,214 Speaker 2: disappointed because people won't ever truly know who I am, 133 00:08:01,294 --> 00:08:02,654 Speaker 2: and that's. 134 00:08:02,494 --> 00:08:06,814 Speaker 4: Sort of agent. You had the sense of that then, yes, yeah, yeah. 135 00:08:06,614 --> 00:08:08,334 Speaker 3: And I thought, you know, people are going to. 136 00:08:10,174 --> 00:08:12,294 Speaker 2: I'll be recorded in history sort of this dark figure, 137 00:08:12,294 --> 00:08:14,734 Speaker 2: as you say, and that's actually not who I am. 138 00:08:14,814 --> 00:08:17,814 Speaker 2: And fortunately since that time, people have been able to see, 139 00:08:18,374 --> 00:08:21,694 Speaker 2: you know, more of me, more of my views, my 140 00:08:21,774 --> 00:08:25,054 Speaker 2: background and all of that. So yeah, it's been an 141 00:08:25,094 --> 00:08:25,974 Speaker 2: interesting transition. 142 00:08:26,174 --> 00:08:29,894 Speaker 4: Well, the background that you don't like talking about eldest 143 00:08:29,974 --> 00:08:31,254 Speaker 4: of five kids. 144 00:08:31,054 --> 00:08:34,694 Speaker 3: Eldest of five, least favorite, the youngest. 145 00:08:34,774 --> 00:08:37,894 Speaker 4: Right, I have four children, and in our family, the 146 00:08:37,974 --> 00:08:41,414 Speaker 4: kids will believe the youngest is my favorite, but the 147 00:08:41,454 --> 00:08:46,614 Speaker 4: eldest often has responsibility heaped upon them. What was your family? 148 00:08:46,974 --> 00:08:50,574 Speaker 2: Curly has this great theory about your and my wife 149 00:08:50,614 --> 00:08:54,534 Speaker 2: about birth order and where you are sort of you know, 150 00:08:55,134 --> 00:08:59,534 Speaker 2: determines who you are, et cetera. So but anyway, that aside, so. 151 00:08:59,574 --> 00:09:01,214 Speaker 4: What is hang on? What does she say. 152 00:09:02,534 --> 00:09:10,214 Speaker 2: In part that the firstborn believe that they can rule 153 00:09:10,214 --> 00:09:12,494 Speaker 2: the world or something like that, and the really and 154 00:09:12,494 --> 00:09:16,814 Speaker 2: this and this, I should listen more intently actually to 155 00:09:16,894 --> 00:09:20,294 Speaker 2: what she's telling me. But but it's it's it basically 156 00:09:20,654 --> 00:09:22,654 Speaker 2: talks about the you know, the role of the youngest 157 00:09:22,694 --> 00:09:26,614 Speaker 2: and uh and and and that I suppose in terms 158 00:09:26,614 --> 00:09:29,014 Speaker 2: of my experience that it was ten years between me 159 00:09:29,094 --> 00:09:32,734 Speaker 2: and my youngest sister. So and I, uh, you know, 160 00:09:32,774 --> 00:09:37,534 Speaker 2: I grew up in a family of five and with 161 00:09:37,734 --> 00:09:38,774 Speaker 2: dad working with mum. 162 00:09:39,254 --> 00:09:41,614 Speaker 4: But what did your dad? Was your dad a building. 163 00:09:41,894 --> 00:09:45,254 Speaker 2: Bricklayer and then was a bright and yeah, work worked 164 00:09:45,254 --> 00:09:48,814 Speaker 2: really hard, set a good example. And mum was originally 165 00:09:48,854 --> 00:09:52,854 Speaker 2: a secretary and then took in kids, so did day care, 166 00:09:52,894 --> 00:09:56,334 Speaker 2: family daycare morning and afternoon, before and after school before 167 00:09:56,614 --> 00:09:59,094 Speaker 2: you know, that was a thing, and then she went 168 00:09:59,094 --> 00:10:02,574 Speaker 2: into child care, and so that that meant, you know, 169 00:10:02,654 --> 00:10:05,814 Speaker 2: that home, we were all expected to, you know, by 170 00:10:05,854 --> 00:10:07,054 Speaker 2: the clean up the dishes, clear the. 171 00:10:07,054 --> 00:10:09,814 Speaker 4: Plates or so it was a discipline, do. 172 00:10:09,894 --> 00:10:12,894 Speaker 2: The folding or whatever it was or in my case, 173 00:10:13,774 --> 00:10:15,974 Speaker 2: you know, and I fondly remember it. I probably griped 174 00:10:15,974 --> 00:10:18,094 Speaker 2: about it at the time. But you're changing nappies and 175 00:10:18,374 --> 00:10:21,814 Speaker 2: feeding the baby who's ten years younger then you et cetera, 176 00:10:22,014 --> 00:10:26,374 Speaker 2: and you know, lugging her around on your hip so yeah, 177 00:10:27,094 --> 00:10:30,654 Speaker 2: that was that was my experience. And I've got an amazing siblings, 178 00:10:30,654 --> 00:10:31,654 Speaker 2: so very proud. 179 00:10:31,414 --> 00:10:35,734 Speaker 4: Of them, you know. It's and then you became a copper, yes, 180 00:10:35,974 --> 00:10:37,894 Speaker 4: and you became a copper when you were quite. 181 00:10:37,694 --> 00:10:38,814 Speaker 3: Young, when I was about nineteen. 182 00:10:38,934 --> 00:10:41,814 Speaker 4: Yeah, And how did that idea occur to you? 183 00:10:41,894 --> 00:10:44,174 Speaker 2: Well, there's a great photo I think when I was 184 00:10:44,174 --> 00:10:47,774 Speaker 2: at kindy and fully dressed in the police uniform with 185 00:10:47,774 --> 00:10:51,134 Speaker 2: a gun on the side. And so I think I'd 186 00:10:51,134 --> 00:10:53,574 Speaker 2: always had an interest or a fascination at a young age. 187 00:10:54,294 --> 00:10:58,294 Speaker 2: But Mum convinced me rightly that I should go to UNI. 188 00:10:58,774 --> 00:11:01,814 Speaker 2: No one had been to UNI in the family. And 189 00:11:02,454 --> 00:11:06,014 Speaker 2: I did that for about for two years, and then 190 00:11:06,014 --> 00:11:08,134 Speaker 2: I deferred and I came back and finished at part 191 00:11:08,174 --> 00:11:10,054 Speaker 2: time as a Bachelor of Busines degree. 192 00:11:10,094 --> 00:11:12,414 Speaker 3: But I'd always wanted to go into the police. 193 00:11:12,614 --> 00:11:15,894 Speaker 2: I never sort of thought of myself as sitting in 194 00:11:15,894 --> 00:11:19,254 Speaker 2: an office nine to five, and I liked the idea 195 00:11:20,454 --> 00:11:22,774 Speaker 2: of policing and that it was fast moving. You didn't 196 00:11:22,774 --> 00:11:25,734 Speaker 2: know what the next radio corps would be, didn't know 197 00:11:25,774 --> 00:11:27,574 Speaker 2: what was on the other side of that door, and 198 00:11:27,614 --> 00:11:31,334 Speaker 2: so I felt that that. 199 00:11:32,774 --> 00:11:33,134 Speaker 3: Was for me. 200 00:11:37,094 --> 00:11:39,974 Speaker 4: There's more to my conversation with Peter Dutton coming up. 201 00:11:40,214 --> 00:11:42,894 Speaker 4: He tells me about what he saw as a police 202 00:11:42,894 --> 00:11:46,774 Speaker 4: officer that has shaped his politics and what he can 203 00:11:46,814 --> 00:11:53,134 Speaker 4: do about the housing market. Do they go anywhere? I 204 00:11:53,174 --> 00:11:55,494 Speaker 4: read this thing once that if you look at the 205 00:11:55,974 --> 00:12:00,774 Speaker 4: sort of socioeconomic background of cops, it often resembles criminals. 206 00:12:01,454 --> 00:12:05,454 Speaker 4: So it's really that they come from very similar backgrounds 207 00:12:05,494 --> 00:12:10,214 Speaker 4: on the segment, they've just chosen diametrically opposed paths. When 208 00:12:10,254 --> 00:12:15,734 Speaker 4: you're a cop, what did you learn from it that 209 00:12:15,814 --> 00:12:17,414 Speaker 4: you've brought with you now? 210 00:12:18,374 --> 00:12:25,254 Speaker 2: I led a very happy childhood growing up, so I'd 211 00:12:25,294 --> 00:12:28,454 Speaker 2: never experienced, you know, drug use, or I'd never seen 212 00:12:28,534 --> 00:12:34,574 Speaker 2: domestic violence. That wasn't you know, our environment. So I 213 00:12:34,734 --> 00:12:38,734 Speaker 2: grew up I think naively, and you know, my eyes 214 00:12:38,774 --> 00:12:46,534 Speaker 2: were like sources and first shift and seeing you know, 215 00:12:46,614 --> 00:12:49,654 Speaker 2: some of the horrific things that you see, delivering death messages, 216 00:12:49,694 --> 00:12:54,934 Speaker 2: the domestic violence, the motor vehicle accidents, the kids, all 217 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:58,334 Speaker 2: of that. I think, I think you just grow up overnight. 218 00:12:58,454 --> 00:13:02,254 Speaker 2: And as a nineteen twenty year old being exposed to 219 00:13:02,254 --> 00:13:07,014 Speaker 2: all of that, and I'd also, yeah, I'd wanted to 220 00:13:07,014 --> 00:13:08,854 Speaker 2: stay in brisbecause I had a girlfriend in Brisbane, but 221 00:13:09,694 --> 00:13:12,214 Speaker 2: I graduated from the academy, I got posted to towns Or, 222 00:13:12,254 --> 00:13:15,214 Speaker 2: which is sort of traumatic at the time but fantastic 223 00:13:15,214 --> 00:13:17,934 Speaker 2: because it made me grow up being away from home 224 00:13:18,694 --> 00:13:23,454 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's confronting. So I think you still you 225 00:13:23,574 --> 00:13:27,974 Speaker 2: carry that experience, those images with you and it's part 226 00:13:28,014 --> 00:13:32,174 Speaker 2: of the reason that I really concentrated, particularly in the 227 00:13:32,334 --> 00:13:36,174 Speaker 2: Immigration and Home Affairs portfolios, on protecting women and children 228 00:13:36,214 --> 00:13:38,534 Speaker 2: and that was important to me. 229 00:13:38,574 --> 00:13:41,014 Speaker 3: When I first came into Parliament, I was really. 230 00:13:40,774 --> 00:13:43,374 Speaker 2: Passionate about a case where a young baby had been 231 00:13:43,974 --> 00:13:47,334 Speaker 2: abducted in Queensland and it's sort of quite a famous 232 00:13:47,334 --> 00:13:50,974 Speaker 2: case that Didri Kennedy abduction, and I'd worked with Fay, 233 00:13:51,134 --> 00:13:53,774 Speaker 2: her mother and there was a great, great injustice in 234 00:13:53,774 --> 00:13:56,734 Speaker 2: that family, and I'd worked on that job just very 235 00:13:56,814 --> 00:14:02,374 Speaker 2: briefly as a surveillance officer, and I was very passionate 236 00:14:02,414 --> 00:14:05,054 Speaker 2: about that and changing that law and ended up getting 237 00:14:05,414 --> 00:14:09,134 Speaker 2: the law modernized in relation to DNA technology. And I 238 00:14:09,174 --> 00:14:11,734 Speaker 2: think it's probably in part what caught John Howard's eye 239 00:14:12,294 --> 00:14:15,014 Speaker 2: early on, because I was fortunate enough to be promoted 240 00:14:15,134 --> 00:14:17,654 Speaker 2: into the ministry after just one. 241 00:14:17,574 --> 00:14:20,774 Speaker 4: Term and still quite young and still, yeah. 242 00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:24,134 Speaker 3: I was thirty three, I guess something like that. 243 00:14:24,294 --> 00:14:28,134 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean I've always felt passionately about that. 244 00:14:28,294 --> 00:14:31,774 Speaker 2: I just I believe with kids, and young girls in particular, 245 00:14:31,814 --> 00:14:36,854 Speaker 2: that robbing that innocence of their childhood and not allowing 246 00:14:36,894 --> 00:14:43,294 Speaker 2: them to, you know, to enjoy their childhood their development. 247 00:14:44,294 --> 00:14:47,214 Speaker 2: I just I always found that very horrific really, and 248 00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:51,214 Speaker 2: similarly for women going into and I remember going into 249 00:14:51,214 --> 00:14:56,734 Speaker 2: countless domestic violence scenes and you know, blood everywhere, kids 250 00:14:56,814 --> 00:15:02,694 Speaker 2: clinging onto mom's legs or even dad's legs. All of 251 00:15:02,694 --> 00:15:04,374 Speaker 2: that is you know, I mean, you can't help but 252 00:15:04,414 --> 00:15:06,614 Speaker 2: be affected by that. And that's not something that I 253 00:15:06,694 --> 00:15:10,614 Speaker 2: grew up with. And I I just thought, for a 254 00:15:12,254 --> 00:15:16,214 Speaker 2: woman in particular, not feeling safe in that home environment 255 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:19,894 Speaker 2: that had been the refuge for me and my safe 256 00:15:20,174 --> 00:15:23,894 Speaker 2: space growing up. If you don't feel safe there, where 257 00:15:23,894 --> 00:15:26,614 Speaker 2: could you feel safe? And And so yeah, I mean 258 00:15:26,614 --> 00:15:30,774 Speaker 2: that's that's been a lifetime passion of mine and it's 259 00:15:30,814 --> 00:15:35,254 Speaker 2: one of the areas if I am fortunate enough to 260 00:15:35,254 --> 00:15:37,374 Speaker 2: become Prime Minister that I really want to concentrate on it. 261 00:15:37,414 --> 00:15:40,934 Speaker 2: I just don't think we do well enough in our country. 262 00:15:40,854 --> 00:15:44,534 Speaker 4: Do you. So a lot of these issues that lead 263 00:15:44,614 --> 00:15:50,654 Speaker 4: to domestic violence, for instance, become systemic so you know, poverty, 264 00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:54,774 Speaker 4: or a whole lot of you know, drug abuse, etc. 265 00:15:56,334 --> 00:16:02,094 Speaker 4: How there's a there's a reliance on the government to 266 00:16:03,094 --> 00:16:08,534 Speaker 4: correct faults that lie at a at a familial level 267 00:16:08,614 --> 00:16:12,454 Speaker 4: or at a relationship ship level. And yet the Liberal 268 00:16:12,494 --> 00:16:15,374 Speaker 4: Party is not generally the party that people think of 269 00:16:16,534 --> 00:16:18,254 Speaker 4: that are compassionate in that area. 270 00:16:18,534 --> 00:16:21,814 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I think that's probably a fair conclusion. 271 00:16:21,894 --> 00:16:25,094 Speaker 2: But when you look at what we did when we 272 00:16:25,094 --> 00:16:29,534 Speaker 2: were in government, the programs that we funded, particularly over COVID, 273 00:16:29,534 --> 00:16:32,734 Speaker 2: where we were really concerned about people being stuck at 274 00:16:32,734 --> 00:16:37,934 Speaker 2: home together in relationships that probably work because both parties 275 00:16:37,974 --> 00:16:42,654 Speaker 2: are working for long hours and not spending every working 276 00:16:42,654 --> 00:16:45,654 Speaker 2: hour together. And so we put a lot into that, 277 00:16:46,614 --> 00:16:51,094 Speaker 2: into programs that into NGOs and provided support around housing, 278 00:16:51,534 --> 00:16:57,654 Speaker 2: around support for women in those situations. So, yeah, I 279 00:16:57,774 --> 00:17:04,494 Speaker 2: made a particular focus on canceling visas when I had 280 00:17:04,534 --> 00:17:10,814 Speaker 2: that responsibility of people who had perpetrated domestic violence, pedophiles, 281 00:17:11,014 --> 00:17:14,374 Speaker 2: people who had sexually assaulted women and children, you know, 282 00:17:14,454 --> 00:17:16,134 Speaker 2: drug dealers and others. 283 00:17:16,374 --> 00:17:19,894 Speaker 3: And I remember each of those cases. 284 00:17:19,894 --> 00:17:22,214 Speaker 2: As you're looking at it, there are six or eight 285 00:17:22,334 --> 00:17:26,814 Speaker 2: victims before you're dealing with the case, and you think, 286 00:17:27,214 --> 00:17:31,134 Speaker 2: if this decision had been made earlier, you know, those 287 00:17:31,174 --> 00:17:34,814 Speaker 2: Australian citizens wouldn't have fallen prey to that pedophile or 288 00:17:34,814 --> 00:17:39,094 Speaker 2: that individual. And there's a sense of satisfaction in doing that, 289 00:17:39,094 --> 00:17:41,534 Speaker 2: even though it's a tough decision to make to deport 290 00:17:41,574 --> 00:17:44,854 Speaker 2: someone from the country, but particularly when they've got their 291 00:17:44,894 --> 00:17:47,294 Speaker 2: own family. But you also deal with the knowledge that 292 00:17:47,334 --> 00:17:49,934 Speaker 2: they're not going on to offend against the next girl 293 00:17:49,974 --> 00:17:52,854 Speaker 2: and against the next woman, and et cetera, et cetera. 294 00:17:52,974 --> 00:17:55,214 Speaker 3: So when you look at that, and. 295 00:17:56,694 --> 00:17:58,534 Speaker 2: I think it's hard then to reconcile that we're not 296 00:17:59,094 --> 00:18:02,654 Speaker 2: compassionate or that we don't have a focus as members 297 00:18:02,694 --> 00:18:05,694 Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party on protecting women or putting in 298 00:18:05,774 --> 00:18:08,054 Speaker 2: place better arrangements. 299 00:18:08,494 --> 00:18:14,654 Speaker 4: Because you have a very beautiful family. You have a 300 00:18:14,654 --> 00:18:19,214 Speaker 4: modern family in the sense that it's well documented that 301 00:18:19,294 --> 00:18:22,974 Speaker 4: your daughter has yet that Rebecca has a different mum, 302 00:18:23,334 --> 00:18:25,334 Speaker 4: but Kiralyi has been a mum to her. You've got 303 00:18:25,374 --> 00:18:33,334 Speaker 4: two sons. Also, you've done extremely well in business, your 304 00:18:33,334 --> 00:18:37,454 Speaker 4: wife has also done well in business. When you come 305 00:18:37,614 --> 00:18:44,614 Speaker 4: from a position of being extremely comfortable, how do you 306 00:18:44,974 --> 00:18:49,974 Speaker 4: still read the rest of the country, because politicians love 307 00:18:50,054 --> 00:18:54,174 Speaker 4: to say Australians are doing it tough without an acknowledgment 308 00:18:54,174 --> 00:18:56,734 Speaker 4: that the reason that we may be doing it tough 309 00:18:56,814 --> 00:18:58,694 Speaker 4: is because of things that you have done. 310 00:18:59,454 --> 00:19:00,174 Speaker 3: That's a fair point. 311 00:19:01,014 --> 00:19:05,534 Speaker 2: Look, people can judge, you know, Anthony Albanezi, or they 312 00:19:05,574 --> 00:19:08,734 Speaker 2: can judge me. I can only talk from my perspective. 313 00:19:10,094 --> 00:19:12,094 Speaker 2: I believe that I'm the same person I was when 314 00:19:12,134 --> 00:19:14,694 Speaker 2: I came into politics. I mean, hopefully I've matured in 315 00:19:14,734 --> 00:19:17,454 Speaker 2: a number of ways and different perspectives, et cetera. But 316 00:19:17,614 --> 00:19:24,694 Speaker 2: my base, you know, being my I've got the same 317 00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:29,054 Speaker 2: friends from school. I've always tried been conscious of keeping 318 00:19:29,054 --> 00:19:31,414 Speaker 2: your feet on the ground and and you know, I've 319 00:19:31,414 --> 00:19:36,454 Speaker 2: never forgotten growing up in a bigger family or in 320 00:19:36,494 --> 00:19:39,414 Speaker 2: an environment where you know, there were arguments about money 321 00:19:39,854 --> 00:19:42,294 Speaker 2: and there wasn't enough money to pay the bills. And 322 00:19:42,574 --> 00:19:45,094 Speaker 2: Dad was a builder, as I say, worked his guts out, 323 00:19:45,134 --> 00:19:48,254 Speaker 2: but he could price ten jobs and get none. And 324 00:19:48,414 --> 00:19:51,294 Speaker 2: you know, when the economy turned, he could price ten 325 00:19:51,334 --> 00:19:55,934 Speaker 2: and get ten. And you know, I mean I went 326 00:19:55,974 --> 00:20:00,934 Speaker 2: to work part time after school every day because I 327 00:20:00,974 --> 00:20:05,214 Speaker 2: had always, from a young age wanted to, you know, 328 00:20:05,254 --> 00:20:10,894 Speaker 2: be financially successful and and so I I've never forgotten 329 00:20:10,934 --> 00:20:14,454 Speaker 2: those routes that I never will and I think that's 330 00:20:14,454 --> 00:20:17,494 Speaker 2: demonstrated in a number of the decisions that I've made 331 00:20:17,574 --> 00:20:21,054 Speaker 2: and different portfolios. And I would want to bring that 332 00:20:21,094 --> 00:20:22,894 Speaker 2: to the office of Prime Minister as well. 333 00:20:23,094 --> 00:20:29,454 Speaker 4: Okay, my slight issue with that is that the times 334 00:20:29,454 --> 00:20:33,214 Speaker 4: are so different now, and the times are different now 335 00:20:33,254 --> 00:20:37,774 Speaker 4: because of policies that governments have implemented over the years. 336 00:20:38,494 --> 00:20:42,214 Speaker 4: For instance, you could buy a house when you were nineteen, correct, 337 00:20:42,414 --> 00:20:46,654 Speaker 4: whereas many Australians now will never be able to buy 338 00:20:46,694 --> 00:20:52,814 Speaker 4: a house, So the times are different. You can't work 339 00:20:52,894 --> 00:20:56,534 Speaker 4: your way, you know. And I have much respect for 340 00:20:56,614 --> 00:20:58,894 Speaker 4: your work ethic, by the way, and I don't think 341 00:20:58,934 --> 00:21:02,734 Speaker 4: work probably gets the respect that it deserves and the 342 00:21:02,814 --> 00:21:06,894 Speaker 4: role that it plays in people's lives. But what so 343 00:21:08,534 --> 00:21:13,174 Speaker 4: my question is really on a policy level. It seems 344 00:21:13,214 --> 00:21:16,054 Speaker 4: to me, and you alluded to this earlier, that people 345 00:21:16,094 --> 00:21:18,334 Speaker 4: don't see a difference between the parties, and in fact 346 00:21:18,654 --> 00:21:21,894 Speaker 4: UNI party seems to be a prevalent sort of thing. 347 00:21:22,934 --> 00:21:28,654 Speaker 4: Government loves big Australia, but most Australians don't love big Australia. 348 00:21:29,334 --> 00:21:32,054 Speaker 4: But governments love big Australia because it means, you know, 349 00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:37,014 Speaker 4: more taxes and more growth, and banks love big Australia 350 00:21:37,054 --> 00:21:41,934 Speaker 4: and building companies love big Australia. How do you reconcile 351 00:21:43,574 --> 00:21:48,974 Speaker 4: that inclination towards satisfying the business end of town versus 352 00:21:49,014 --> 00:21:50,414 Speaker 4: what Australians want. 353 00:21:51,494 --> 00:21:54,494 Speaker 3: Well, it's a huge issue because a couple of points. One. 354 00:21:54,654 --> 00:21:57,374 Speaker 2: I don't think we plan well enough in this country 355 00:21:57,414 --> 00:22:01,654 Speaker 2: for migration movements, and we've got a natural instinct to 356 00:22:01,694 --> 00:22:06,374 Speaker 2: want to live closer to the coast, and the government's 357 00:22:06,414 --> 00:22:09,654 Speaker 2: bringing in in their migration program about a population in 358 00:22:09,654 --> 00:22:11,934 Speaker 2: the same size as Adelaide over the course of a 359 00:22:11,974 --> 00:22:14,454 Speaker 2: five year period, which is a lot of people. When 360 00:22:14,454 --> 00:22:16,294 Speaker 2: you stop and think about that, we're not building the 361 00:22:16,334 --> 00:22:23,094 Speaker 2: extra hospitals and the extra capacity at schools and in 362 00:22:24,214 --> 00:22:28,254 Speaker 2: GP clinics, et cetera. So I think we do plan 363 00:22:28,374 --> 00:22:30,694 Speaker 2: really poorly in this country and it's part of the 364 00:22:30,734 --> 00:22:36,734 Speaker 2: reason why this perfect storm has percolated. Because we've got 365 00:22:37,014 --> 00:22:39,654 Speaker 2: Australian who are lining up to rent a property, paying 366 00:22:39,694 --> 00:22:42,054 Speaker 2: twins or for rent. They can't get a front of 367 00:22:42,094 --> 00:22:45,654 Speaker 2: their own head. Young people are lining up at auctions 368 00:22:46,094 --> 00:22:48,694 Speaker 2: and expected to pay five hundred thousand dollars over the 369 00:22:48,734 --> 00:22:50,694 Speaker 2: reserve price to get a basic house. 370 00:22:51,294 --> 00:22:54,694 Speaker 3: And so you know, I get that. 371 00:22:54,814 --> 00:22:58,054 Speaker 2: And the reason that I'm passionate about making sure that 372 00:22:58,054 --> 00:23:01,054 Speaker 2: we allow people to realize that dream of home ownership 373 00:23:01,094 --> 00:23:03,414 Speaker 2: again is that I just think with a house, you've 374 00:23:03,414 --> 00:23:07,654 Speaker 2: got or you're a unit, but with accommodation, you've got stability. 375 00:23:08,254 --> 00:23:10,374 Speaker 2: I think it's good for a relationship. I think it's 376 00:23:10,414 --> 00:23:15,414 Speaker 2: good stability when you have when kids come along, if 377 00:23:15,454 --> 00:23:16,894 Speaker 2: you get if you can get to the point where 378 00:23:16,894 --> 00:23:19,694 Speaker 2: you've paid the house off by retirement, you can enjoy 379 00:23:19,694 --> 00:23:23,294 Speaker 2: the hard work that you've spoken about, enjoy your life 380 00:23:23,454 --> 00:23:25,294 Speaker 2: because of the hard work you've spoken about. I think 381 00:23:26,094 --> 00:23:28,174 Speaker 2: you've then got an asset that's grown and value to 382 00:23:28,214 --> 00:23:30,094 Speaker 2: give to your kids or your grandkids and set them 383 00:23:30,174 --> 00:23:33,054 Speaker 2: up right. So so housing that's why it's such a. 384 00:23:32,974 --> 00:23:35,854 Speaker 4: Love I love you that you think you need to 385 00:23:36,134 --> 00:23:37,294 Speaker 4: tell me how great did you do? 386 00:23:38,734 --> 00:23:40,694 Speaker 2: But I think I think it's important because I think 387 00:23:40,734 --> 00:23:42,974 Speaker 2: a lot of people, when you look at and sort 388 00:23:42,974 --> 00:23:44,174 Speaker 2: of a long way of answering. 389 00:23:43,894 --> 00:23:45,414 Speaker 3: Your question about there's different views. 390 00:23:45,694 --> 00:23:49,214 Speaker 2: We've got an amazing migrant population in our country. When 391 00:23:49,254 --> 00:23:52,134 Speaker 2: you speak to many people from different migrant communities. They say, please, 392 00:23:52,774 --> 00:23:55,614 Speaker 2: could could we bring our parents or our you know, 393 00:23:57,174 --> 00:24:01,454 Speaker 2: the remaining three sisters or brothers from our from our family. 394 00:24:01,574 --> 00:24:05,174 Speaker 2: And so they want a bigger migration program, and business, 395 00:24:05,174 --> 00:24:07,774 Speaker 2: as you say, wants to bring more people in because 396 00:24:08,334 --> 00:24:11,374 Speaker 2: they think they can't get the workforce without that migrant workforce. 397 00:24:11,374 --> 00:24:15,374 Speaker 2: So we've got to make sure there's supply of housing. 398 00:24:15,814 --> 00:24:18,454 Speaker 2: We've got to take care of Australians first, including people 399 00:24:18,454 --> 00:24:22,294 Speaker 2: who have just become Australian citizens, and make sure they 400 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:25,214 Speaker 2: don't lose the dream of home ownership. And we've got 401 00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:29,214 Speaker 2: an aging population like what most Western democracies, so or 402 00:24:29,974 --> 00:24:32,574 Speaker 2: communities and economies, and so we've got to get that 403 00:24:32,614 --> 00:24:35,134 Speaker 2: balance right, and we haven't got it right. The supply 404 00:24:35,254 --> 00:24:37,734 Speaker 2: side of housing have sort of dried up, and you've 405 00:24:37,774 --> 00:24:40,694 Speaker 2: got this big demand with the migration program. And we've 406 00:24:40,694 --> 00:24:42,454 Speaker 2: said that we should chill out a bit on that 407 00:24:42,494 --> 00:24:45,014 Speaker 2: for a couple of years until we can recalibrate the 408 00:24:45,054 --> 00:24:47,894 Speaker 2: two because otherwise that dream of home ownership is just 409 00:24:47,934 --> 00:24:49,294 Speaker 2: going to get further and further away. 410 00:24:49,734 --> 00:24:52,534 Speaker 3: But you look at every. 411 00:24:52,334 --> 00:24:55,214 Speaker 2: Time you jump into an uber or go to a 412 00:24:55,294 --> 00:25:00,094 Speaker 2: service station of seven eleven or tradees. Now there's a 413 00:25:00,094 --> 00:25:02,014 Speaker 2: big migrant element to all of that. And they're not 414 00:25:02,014 --> 00:25:04,974 Speaker 2: people have come from riches. These are people who see 415 00:25:04,974 --> 00:25:08,334 Speaker 2: the golden ticket of Australian citizenship as an opportunity to 416 00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:12,094 Speaker 2: create well and stability for their kids and grandkids in 417 00:25:12,134 --> 00:25:14,174 Speaker 2: a way that their grandparents, who were living in a 418 00:25:14,254 --> 00:25:16,454 Speaker 2: village somewhere could never have contemplated. 419 00:25:16,454 --> 00:25:17,654 Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the. 420 00:25:17,614 --> 00:25:21,574 Speaker 2: Great Australian tapestry and dream and I don't think we 421 00:25:21,574 --> 00:25:22,534 Speaker 2: should ever lose sight of that. 422 00:25:22,574 --> 00:25:22,734 Speaker 3: See. 423 00:25:22,814 --> 00:25:23,974 Speaker 2: One of the things I don't think we do in 424 00:25:24,014 --> 00:25:27,214 Speaker 2: our country well enough is talk about the great migrant story, 425 00:25:27,254 --> 00:25:29,294 Speaker 2: particularly since the Second World War. People came here with 426 00:25:29,374 --> 00:25:33,574 Speaker 2: literally nothing out of war torn Europe parents and came 427 00:25:33,614 --> 00:25:38,174 Speaker 2: here as tilers, as bricklayers, as teachers, as you know, 428 00:25:38,254 --> 00:25:43,094 Speaker 2: agricultural workers, whatever. And now their grandkids are doctors and 429 00:25:43,254 --> 00:25:45,254 Speaker 2: millionaires and you. 430 00:25:45,134 --> 00:25:48,934 Speaker 3: Know, radio superstars, you know whatever. I mean, there's. 431 00:25:50,774 --> 00:25:54,574 Speaker 2: We should be holding those examples up as as examples 432 00:25:54,614 --> 00:25:57,494 Speaker 2: of aspiration. We've got to be proud again of who 433 00:25:57,534 --> 00:25:59,694 Speaker 2: we are as a people in a country. And people 434 00:25:59,694 --> 00:26:01,614 Speaker 2: look at Australia and think you are the best country 435 00:26:01,614 --> 00:26:04,014 Speaker 2: in the world. And sometimes I think we lose sight 436 00:26:04,054 --> 00:26:07,334 Speaker 2: of that, and we should be embracing it and running 437 00:26:07,334 --> 00:26:10,374 Speaker 2: with it and helping as many people along the way 438 00:26:10,414 --> 00:26:10,934 Speaker 2: as we can. 439 00:26:13,334 --> 00:26:19,494 Speaker 4: I have more to ask PC, PC don't After this shortbreak, 440 00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,054 Speaker 4: I will go into the personal life of the opposition leader, 441 00:26:22,454 --> 00:26:26,694 Speaker 4: his marriage, his self care routine, and just what he 442 00:26:26,814 --> 00:26:29,294 Speaker 4: has to say to the women and girls of Australia. 443 00:26:29,814 --> 00:26:34,974 Speaker 4: We'll be right back. What do you love about Australia. 444 00:26:35,334 --> 00:26:35,974 Speaker 3: I love the fact that. 445 00:26:35,974 --> 00:26:40,614 Speaker 2: We've got choice, We've got freedom of our expression of thought, 446 00:26:40,854 --> 00:26:45,334 Speaker 2: and that if you start with nothing, you can get 447 00:26:45,374 --> 00:26:49,174 Speaker 2: ahead and you can create an opportunity. And that might 448 00:26:49,214 --> 00:26:51,294 Speaker 2: seem hard for some people at different points in their life, 449 00:26:51,334 --> 00:26:57,654 Speaker 2: but we have an incredible society where we take care 450 00:26:57,694 --> 00:27:01,054 Speaker 2: of people who are in need can't take care of themselves. 451 00:27:01,774 --> 00:27:05,254 Speaker 2: But we also have a system where people can work hard, 452 00:27:05,334 --> 00:27:09,094 Speaker 2: sacrifice and realize their dreams. And I think we should 453 00:27:09,094 --> 00:27:10,854 Speaker 2: protect the defend that at every opportunity. 454 00:27:11,574 --> 00:27:17,254 Speaker 4: Your family obviously very supportive of your dreams and your career. 455 00:27:18,334 --> 00:27:20,094 Speaker 4: But yet, and I know I alluded to the fact 456 00:27:20,094 --> 00:27:22,294 Speaker 4: that my brother's a politician. When someone in the family 457 00:27:22,334 --> 00:27:25,734 Speaker 4: decides to become a politician, everyone else is branded. Yeah, 458 00:27:26,014 --> 00:27:28,054 Speaker 4: everyone else is swept up with that, whether they want 459 00:27:28,094 --> 00:27:32,374 Speaker 4: to or not. It's a form of selfishness that we 460 00:27:32,534 --> 00:27:37,134 Speaker 4: have to hope in our politicians is underwritten by a 461 00:27:37,174 --> 00:27:38,694 Speaker 4: desire for the greater good. 462 00:27:38,974 --> 00:27:39,734 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 463 00:27:39,814 --> 00:27:41,414 Speaker 2: I think it's also true that I mean, you know, 464 00:27:41,454 --> 00:27:44,654 Speaker 2: in your family, you've got two famous people with pretty 465 00:27:44,734 --> 00:27:48,974 Speaker 2: identifiable surnames. So if your cousins or kids or whatever, 466 00:27:49,654 --> 00:27:52,134 Speaker 2: you know, would automatically get the question are you related 467 00:27:52,174 --> 00:27:53,534 Speaker 2: to you know? 468 00:27:53,614 --> 00:27:54,014 Speaker 3: Do you know? 469 00:27:54,414 --> 00:27:57,694 Speaker 2: And And I talked to my cousins about it, and 470 00:27:57,934 --> 00:28:00,574 Speaker 2: mostly they say, mate, we're really proud of what you do, 471 00:28:00,654 --> 00:28:04,294 Speaker 2: and we're very very happy to be asked a question 472 00:28:04,534 --> 00:28:05,654 Speaker 2: and to answer it. 473 00:28:05,734 --> 00:28:07,374 Speaker 3: And maybe that's just. 474 00:28:07,334 --> 00:28:11,294 Speaker 2: A a brave sort of face that they're putting on 475 00:28:11,334 --> 00:28:14,414 Speaker 2: it for me, but I'm I'm really conscious of it because, 476 00:28:14,974 --> 00:28:18,854 Speaker 2: particularly with your own kids, they're not you know. I 477 00:28:18,854 --> 00:28:21,494 Speaker 2: think it was once anmously said that they're they're conscripts, right, 478 00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:21,814 Speaker 2: they're not. 479 00:28:22,214 --> 00:28:24,334 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they haven't sought a public life. 480 00:28:24,934 --> 00:28:29,094 Speaker 2: And I suppose for many kids, the family you know, 481 00:28:29,134 --> 00:28:33,414 Speaker 2: you're born into comes with upside and downside and and 482 00:28:33,574 --> 00:28:36,094 Speaker 2: but they're yeah, look they're they're they're balanced and they're 483 00:28:36,094 --> 00:28:39,054 Speaker 2: good about it. 484 00:28:39,774 --> 00:28:42,094 Speaker 3: But yeah, that that is a definite downside. 485 00:28:42,174 --> 00:28:46,094 Speaker 4: What percentage of your family extended, because I gather you're 486 00:28:46,134 --> 00:28:50,854 Speaker 4: quite close to your extended family shares your politics. 487 00:28:51,974 --> 00:28:57,734 Speaker 3: I think there would be I think it'd be a maturity. 488 00:28:57,174 --> 00:28:59,814 Speaker 4: Right are you Sometimes they're at a family barbecue going 489 00:29:01,334 --> 00:29:02,374 Speaker 4: I'm not sure about. 490 00:29:02,174 --> 00:29:07,614 Speaker 2: Sure, it is going to say generally not and generally 491 00:29:08,374 --> 00:29:10,574 Speaker 2: like in most conversations with your friends as well, I've 492 00:29:10,614 --> 00:29:12,574 Speaker 2: got a lot of mates who who wouldn't vote, who 493 00:29:12,574 --> 00:29:15,174 Speaker 2: wouldn't hopefully they will at this election, but it wouldn't 494 00:29:15,214 --> 00:29:18,894 Speaker 2: vote liberal normally, And you know, we get on look 495 00:29:18,934 --> 00:29:21,174 Speaker 2: a house on fire, and generally it's a discussion about 496 00:29:21,854 --> 00:29:26,734 Speaker 2: cricket or goal for family, or Olympics or whatever's in 497 00:29:26,774 --> 00:29:30,974 Speaker 2: the news, and there's not a heavy conversation around politics, 498 00:29:30,974 --> 00:29:33,934 Speaker 2: which actually is refreshing because you need to be able 499 00:29:33,974 --> 00:29:34,614 Speaker 2: to switch. 500 00:29:34,334 --> 00:29:36,254 Speaker 3: Off and just you know. 501 00:29:37,494 --> 00:29:40,014 Speaker 4: I think also there is an appetite for people for 502 00:29:41,334 --> 00:29:44,494 Speaker 4: people with for things not to be so binary. Yes, 503 00:29:44,734 --> 00:29:50,134 Speaker 4: when people have divergent politics. And I always think someone 504 00:29:50,174 --> 00:29:52,414 Speaker 4: said this, the bird needs the right wing and the 505 00:29:52,494 --> 00:29:55,854 Speaker 4: left wing to fly, But that doesn't seem to be 506 00:29:55,934 --> 00:29:59,454 Speaker 4: the case in the in the current climate. 507 00:30:00,654 --> 00:30:03,134 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you go back to you know, 508 00:30:03,294 --> 00:30:05,734 Speaker 2: ancient times, I mean the politicians. 509 00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:09,534 Speaker 3: Were I do, go back to before you. 510 00:30:10,094 --> 00:30:14,374 Speaker 2: But it's always been an adversarial It's like a courtroom 511 00:30:14,814 --> 00:30:19,494 Speaker 2: environment where you've got each side of the argument, the 512 00:30:19,534 --> 00:30:23,214 Speaker 2: prosecution and the defense, arguing vehemently for their belief I 513 00:30:23,254 --> 00:30:25,014 Speaker 2: just think as long as it's done in a respectful way, 514 00:30:25,094 --> 00:30:28,854 Speaker 2: you can have strong views. And as the Prime ministers 515 00:30:28,894 --> 00:30:30,894 Speaker 2: pointed out, and as I've said publicly, I mean he 516 00:30:30,974 --> 00:30:34,174 Speaker 2: and I get on well personally. We can have a conversation. 517 00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:36,654 Speaker 2: If there's an issue around a national security issue that 518 00:30:36,654 --> 00:30:38,574 Speaker 2: we need to deal with, what we do and we 519 00:30:38,614 --> 00:30:41,934 Speaker 2: do it respectfully. Neither of us leak the conversation, So 520 00:30:42,214 --> 00:30:43,894 Speaker 2: you know, I think we acting in an honorable way, 521 00:30:43,934 --> 00:30:46,334 Speaker 2: but we've just got a different pathway of getting to 522 00:30:46,894 --> 00:30:50,214 Speaker 2: probably the same objective of what's best for our country. 523 00:30:51,094 --> 00:30:53,934 Speaker 4: I think, touching on what you just said, a lot 524 00:30:53,934 --> 00:30:59,574 Speaker 4: of people suspect that the seemingly too opposing sides of 525 00:30:59,614 --> 00:31:02,694 Speaker 4: politics are more aligned with each other than you are 526 00:31:02,774 --> 00:31:04,294 Speaker 4: with the interests of us. 527 00:31:05,214 --> 00:31:07,814 Speaker 2: Well, I think we're more aligned with each other than 528 00:31:07,814 --> 00:31:12,014 Speaker 2: people realize, but generally that's because there's an obvious answer 529 00:31:12,214 --> 00:31:16,934 Speaker 2: and you support it. It's a chicken and eg scenario 530 00:31:16,934 --> 00:31:22,454 Speaker 2: as well, because the media aren't reporting the boring sort 531 00:31:22,494 --> 00:31:26,574 Speaker 2: of consensus. You know, we found common ground today in 532 00:31:26,654 --> 00:31:30,854 Speaker 2: Parliament and people were really pleased with the outcome. That 533 00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:34,814 Speaker 2: rarely makes it onto the news. It's the it's the 534 00:31:34,814 --> 00:31:38,054 Speaker 2: color and movement and that's what tunes people in. That's 535 00:31:38,094 --> 00:31:44,014 Speaker 2: what you know, informs the clickbait' that's what people want 536 00:31:44,014 --> 00:31:47,134 Speaker 2: to read, the titillating bits and pieces about your property 537 00:31:47,174 --> 00:31:50,014 Speaker 2: ownership or what you did or what you said, and 538 00:31:51,174 --> 00:31:54,414 Speaker 2: the mundane stuff where there is agreement, which is probably 539 00:31:54,414 --> 00:31:56,974 Speaker 2: eighty percent of the time and in the public's best interests. 540 00:31:57,174 --> 00:32:01,174 Speaker 2: So I do think our stars align with where where 541 00:32:01,174 --> 00:32:03,934 Speaker 2: the public is. That just sort of goes through to 542 00:32:03,974 --> 00:32:04,374 Speaker 2: the keeper. 543 00:32:04,894 --> 00:32:11,134 Speaker 4: People want to draw parallels between Australia and what's happened 544 00:32:11,134 --> 00:32:15,014 Speaker 4: in America. So you're painted as some kind of down 545 00:32:15,094 --> 00:32:15,734 Speaker 4: under Trump. 546 00:32:17,014 --> 00:32:20,934 Speaker 2: Well, I'm accused of being not Trump enough to Trump, 547 00:32:21,334 --> 00:32:23,094 Speaker 2: not Trump like Trump like. 548 00:32:23,134 --> 00:32:23,734 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just. 549 00:32:24,574 --> 00:32:27,854 Speaker 2: Your detractors will say, ah, you look like Trump while 550 00:32:27,854 --> 00:32:30,694 Speaker 2: you're acting like Trump, because they think that that is 551 00:32:32,374 --> 00:32:34,334 Speaker 2: a way of landing a blow on you. I mean, 552 00:32:34,374 --> 00:32:36,894 Speaker 2: that's what they're trying to do. I'm a very different 553 00:32:36,894 --> 00:32:40,374 Speaker 2: person to President Trump. And you know, my biggest influence 554 00:32:40,454 --> 00:32:43,894 Speaker 2: is in political life have been John Howard and Peter Costello, 555 00:32:44,014 --> 00:32:48,294 Speaker 2: and I worked as assistant treasurer at Peter Costello. I still, 556 00:32:49,174 --> 00:32:52,894 Speaker 2: you know, have a conversation with and see John Howard 557 00:32:52,934 --> 00:32:56,814 Speaker 2: as a mentor. And you know, not that I agree 558 00:32:56,854 --> 00:32:59,574 Speaker 2: with everything that he said or did or his different approaches, 559 00:32:59,614 --> 00:33:03,214 Speaker 2: but there was a stability and there was a certainty 560 00:33:04,134 --> 00:33:07,134 Speaker 2: and a strength in his leadership and character, and I 561 00:33:07,214 --> 00:33:11,494 Speaker 2: admired that always and still do so. Yeah, Look, I 562 00:33:11,534 --> 00:33:14,134 Speaker 2: think there will be things that we can agree with 563 00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:17,094 Speaker 2: the US on and things that will have disagreements. I 564 00:33:17,094 --> 00:33:19,494 Speaker 2: don't agree with President Trump at all in relation to 565 00:33:19,654 --> 00:33:23,214 Speaker 2: Ukraine and what's happening there at the moment. I think 566 00:33:23,254 --> 00:33:28,494 Speaker 2: that I think the incursion, that the invasion, the killing 567 00:33:28,494 --> 00:33:34,414 Speaker 2: of people by Putin is an abomination, and so I 568 00:33:34,414 --> 00:33:39,654 Speaker 2: don't like the characterization of that, but that's how I 569 00:33:39,694 --> 00:33:42,174 Speaker 2: see it. And I will always act in our country's 570 00:33:42,174 --> 00:33:45,054 Speaker 2: best interest. And I think in a dynamic relationship like that, 571 00:33:45,454 --> 00:33:47,774 Speaker 2: particularly with President Trump, you've got to have a Prime 572 00:33:47,814 --> 00:33:50,014 Speaker 2: Minister here in Australia who's prepared to stand up for 573 00:33:50,414 --> 00:33:54,934 Speaker 2: our national interest what we believe in, and that I 574 00:33:54,974 --> 00:33:55,814 Speaker 2: think is an essential. 575 00:33:56,894 --> 00:34:00,254 Speaker 4: I mentioned this is conversation like has the potential to 576 00:34:00,974 --> 00:34:06,414 Speaker 4: reach a vast sway of Australian women, and I want 577 00:34:06,494 --> 00:34:09,054 Speaker 4: to give you a chance to speak directly to them. 578 00:34:10,454 --> 00:34:12,374 Speaker 2: I want to be a prime minister who can govern 579 00:34:13,774 --> 00:34:17,494 Speaker 2: for our country and for all Australians. But I strongly 580 00:34:17,534 --> 00:34:21,494 Speaker 2: believe in making sure that people have dignity in their lives, 581 00:34:22,214 --> 00:34:26,254 Speaker 2: women in particular, and that means first and foremost, running 582 00:34:26,254 --> 00:34:29,454 Speaker 2: an economy where if you're sitting at home pulling your 583 00:34:29,454 --> 00:34:33,134 Speaker 2: hair out in a garage or the back bedroom with 584 00:34:33,174 --> 00:34:36,774 Speaker 2: your online business. I want to be a prime minister 585 00:34:36,814 --> 00:34:38,854 Speaker 2: that creates an environment where you can make sales and 586 00:34:39,854 --> 00:34:45,134 Speaker 2: that financial independence and success gives you options and opportunities. 587 00:34:45,254 --> 00:34:48,414 Speaker 2: And I want to be a Prime minister that can 588 00:34:48,454 --> 00:34:50,614 Speaker 2: provide an environment where you can. 589 00:34:50,534 --> 00:34:52,774 Speaker 3: Afford to put a roof over your head and. 590 00:34:54,294 --> 00:34:57,934 Speaker 2: To recover from a marriage breakdown or a violent relationship. 591 00:34:58,654 --> 00:35:04,494 Speaker 2: And I want an opportunity where where people can, at 592 00:35:04,494 --> 00:35:08,494 Speaker 2: different points in their life, feel comfortable about making choices 593 00:35:08,654 --> 00:35:13,254 Speaker 2: that are right for them, facilitating those choices, and so 594 00:35:13,334 --> 00:35:15,974 Speaker 2: that I think is important. When I go up to 595 00:35:16,014 --> 00:35:19,294 Speaker 2: Alice Springs and speak to women in town camps or 596 00:35:19,414 --> 00:35:22,934 Speaker 2: indigenous elders up there, their view is no different to 597 00:35:24,254 --> 00:35:27,934 Speaker 2: women in the cities or frankly, a lot of parents 598 00:35:27,934 --> 00:35:31,494 Speaker 2: are male or female. Their instinct is to when you 599 00:35:31,534 --> 00:35:33,094 Speaker 2: speak to them, what can I do for you? What 600 00:35:33,334 --> 00:35:35,974 Speaker 2: are the priorities. I want a roof over my head. 601 00:35:36,014 --> 00:35:37,894 Speaker 2: I want a safe environment. I want to be able 602 00:35:37,934 --> 00:35:40,334 Speaker 2: to educate my kids. I want to be able to 603 00:35:40,334 --> 00:35:43,174 Speaker 2: pay the bills. I want a good health system, and 604 00:35:43,214 --> 00:35:46,334 Speaker 2: I want an environment where my kids, when they graduate 605 00:35:46,374 --> 00:35:49,254 Speaker 2: from school or from a trade or from a university, 606 00:35:49,334 --> 00:35:52,614 Speaker 2: can find a job. And they're pretty basic human instincts. 607 00:35:52,614 --> 00:35:55,734 Speaker 4: And women also want physical autonomy. 608 00:35:55,894 --> 00:36:00,894 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and again I mean it's people will want 609 00:36:00,894 --> 00:36:03,454 Speaker 2: to concentrate in the health space. But I'm proud of 610 00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:05,854 Speaker 2: the fact that I set up the Medical Research Future Fund, 611 00:36:05,894 --> 00:36:08,094 Speaker 2: which has now got twenty two billion dollars in it. 612 00:36:08,094 --> 00:36:12,294 Speaker 2: It provides a lot of research to breast cancer, into 613 00:36:12,334 --> 00:36:18,854 Speaker 2: ovarian cancer, into brain cancers, cancers for children. 614 00:36:19,134 --> 00:36:21,214 Speaker 4: What was your motivation for that, By the way, what 615 00:36:21,334 --> 00:36:22,974 Speaker 4: was the impetus for that. 616 00:36:23,174 --> 00:36:28,814 Speaker 2: Well, again, it's I think there is there's a human 617 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,854 Speaker 2: dignity element to being able to live in a country 618 00:36:31,894 --> 00:36:35,334 Speaker 2: like ours and receive the medical attention. We've got some 619 00:36:35,334 --> 00:36:37,454 Speaker 2: of the best researchers in the world, and I didn't 620 00:36:37,454 --> 00:36:41,174 Speaker 2: think they had the stability in the money for their 621 00:36:41,214 --> 00:36:42,974 Speaker 2: research that was required. 622 00:36:42,574 --> 00:36:44,934 Speaker 4: And we've had a big brain drain as a result. 623 00:36:45,014 --> 00:36:47,374 Speaker 2: Yes, And look, Australia is a market of twenty seven 624 00:36:47,374 --> 00:36:51,494 Speaker 2: million people, so many of those researchers will automatically, at 625 00:36:51,534 --> 00:36:55,254 Speaker 2: some stage in their career be attracted to London or 626 00:36:55,294 --> 00:36:58,134 Speaker 2: to parts of Asia or Europe or the. 627 00:36:58,134 --> 00:36:59,094 Speaker 3: United States wherever. 628 00:36:59,174 --> 00:37:01,574 Speaker 2: And in many cases that's a great thing because they 629 00:37:01,654 --> 00:37:03,854 Speaker 2: expand their knowledge and they come back here when they 630 00:37:03,894 --> 00:37:06,414 Speaker 2: want to raise their kids or when they want to retire, 631 00:37:06,574 --> 00:37:10,494 Speaker 2: and they contribute to the health space here or the 632 00:37:10,494 --> 00:37:14,334 Speaker 2: medical research space. So yeah, I think that's part of 633 00:37:14,974 --> 00:37:18,614 Speaker 2: that thinking. And you know, and many other things that 634 00:37:19,414 --> 00:37:21,134 Speaker 2: you can do if you manage the economy well and 635 00:37:21,174 --> 00:37:25,374 Speaker 2: you've got good economic settings, you've got good revenues coming in, 636 00:37:25,414 --> 00:37:28,374 Speaker 2: you can start to pay for different programs, and particularly 637 00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:31,094 Speaker 2: mental health I think is a huge issue where we 638 00:37:31,214 --> 00:37:33,454 Speaker 2: just haven't got it right in this country yet, and 639 00:37:33,454 --> 00:37:35,814 Speaker 2: the number of young women presenting with mental health issues 640 00:37:35,814 --> 00:37:37,334 Speaker 2: and online safety. 641 00:37:38,654 --> 00:37:41,814 Speaker 4: Have you ever had issues like post policing or whatever. 642 00:37:42,014 --> 00:37:45,534 Speaker 2: I think, not diagnosed, but I think if knowing what 643 00:37:45,614 --> 00:37:49,374 Speaker 2: I know now about the impact that it has, even 644 00:37:49,534 --> 00:37:51,374 Speaker 2: in the way in which you raise your own children, 645 00:37:52,094 --> 00:37:55,694 Speaker 2: the way that we've been protective of them in a 646 00:37:55,694 --> 00:38:00,094 Speaker 2: public place, you know, particularly of Rebecca, but the boys 647 00:38:00,134 --> 00:38:03,134 Speaker 2: as well. Yes, I think, how can that not have 648 00:38:03,174 --> 00:38:06,934 Speaker 2: an influence on you? And it's how you manage with 649 00:38:06,974 --> 00:38:10,694 Speaker 2: that and the support you provide. And you know, for me, 650 00:38:10,694 --> 00:38:13,174 Speaker 2: meditation is a big part of my life as well, 651 00:38:13,214 --> 00:38:13,694 Speaker 2: which I. 652 00:38:13,614 --> 00:38:15,814 Speaker 4: Find that was surprising to me. 653 00:38:16,014 --> 00:38:18,654 Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I find it a good 654 00:38:18,734 --> 00:38:21,214 Speaker 2: reset and I find it a good clearing of your mind. 655 00:38:21,374 --> 00:38:24,294 Speaker 2: And particularly you know, if you're starting at four point 656 00:38:24,294 --> 00:38:26,134 Speaker 2: thirty five in the morning and you're not finishing until 657 00:38:26,134 --> 00:38:29,814 Speaker 2: ten or eleven at night, you're going all day, and 658 00:38:30,014 --> 00:38:32,854 Speaker 2: you do need to take ten or twenty minutes just 659 00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:36,094 Speaker 2: to reset, I think, and focus on yourself. 660 00:38:36,094 --> 00:38:39,374 Speaker 3: And I think unless you're physically and mentally. 661 00:38:39,054 --> 00:38:44,134 Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to do jobs like the one I'm in, 662 00:38:44,454 --> 00:38:45,814 Speaker 2: or like the one I'm aspiring. 663 00:38:45,494 --> 00:38:46,894 Speaker 4: To be what do you do physically? 664 00:38:47,014 --> 00:38:50,134 Speaker 2: By the way, I try and I always stay at 665 00:38:50,174 --> 00:38:52,334 Speaker 2: a hotel with a good gym, so I try to 666 00:38:52,334 --> 00:38:54,094 Speaker 2: go to the gym early or go for a walk 667 00:38:54,174 --> 00:38:58,214 Speaker 2: rover disciplined. But yeah, honestly, I don't know why, but 668 00:38:59,054 --> 00:39:01,334 Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, the scientists can explain it better 669 00:39:01,374 --> 00:39:04,454 Speaker 2: than I can. But I have a really flat start 670 00:39:04,494 --> 00:39:06,654 Speaker 2: to the day if I don't do exercise, but I 671 00:39:06,694 --> 00:39:10,294 Speaker 2: feel invigorated if I do. And it means you're tired 672 00:39:10,294 --> 00:39:11,534 Speaker 2: at the end of the day because you've got up 673 00:39:11,534 --> 00:39:14,054 Speaker 2: earlier to do it. And sometimes in the guard I 674 00:39:14,174 --> 00:39:15,734 Speaker 2: just hit the snooze button, sleep in. 675 00:39:16,134 --> 00:39:17,814 Speaker 3: I'll do it in the afternoon, which of course. 676 00:39:17,734 --> 00:39:21,814 Speaker 4: Never never happens. Nothing, nothing physical happens in the afternoon, 677 00:39:22,014 --> 00:39:23,614 Speaker 4: not even afternoon delight. 678 00:39:24,494 --> 00:39:25,134 Speaker 3: Exactly right. 679 00:39:25,894 --> 00:39:28,934 Speaker 2: So yeah, so look, it's for me that that's an 680 00:39:28,934 --> 00:39:31,214 Speaker 2: important part of the routine. And it also I just 681 00:39:31,254 --> 00:39:34,014 Speaker 2: think out walking you can listen to a bit of 682 00:39:34,094 --> 00:39:38,094 Speaker 2: music or when you get the chance, yes, yeah, we do, actually, yeah, 683 00:39:38,094 --> 00:39:41,534 Speaker 2: which is it's not it's not a substitute for date night, 684 00:39:41,534 --> 00:39:43,494 Speaker 2: but it is a good time to spend some time 685 00:39:43,534 --> 00:39:46,054 Speaker 2: together and and you know, just have a chat in 686 00:39:46,094 --> 00:39:47,214 Speaker 2: a relaxed environment. 687 00:39:47,974 --> 00:39:51,214 Speaker 4: What is the secret of having a happy marriage for 688 00:39:51,254 --> 00:39:52,494 Speaker 4: as long as you two have. 689 00:39:53,054 --> 00:39:55,534 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I had plenty of unhappy relationships 690 00:39:55,534 --> 00:39:59,374 Speaker 2: before that, sure, where it just didn't work right despite 691 00:39:59,374 --> 00:40:00,094 Speaker 2: your best efforts. 692 00:40:00,094 --> 00:40:01,214 Speaker 3: So I think it. 693 00:40:01,174 --> 00:40:04,734 Speaker 2: Depends on where you are in life. I think your 694 00:40:04,774 --> 00:40:07,494 Speaker 2: own maturity obviously feeds into it. And you know, I 695 00:40:07,494 --> 00:40:10,614 Speaker 2: got married way too young and first time. Yeah, and 696 00:40:10,694 --> 00:40:13,614 Speaker 2: to an amazing person, but but we were just too 697 00:40:13,654 --> 00:40:18,494 Speaker 2: young and headed in different directions, et cetera. And so 698 00:40:18,494 --> 00:40:21,294 Speaker 2: so I think it's it's about your perspective on life. 699 00:40:21,534 --> 00:40:24,534 Speaker 2: And I think not trying to change the other party 700 00:40:25,094 --> 00:40:25,694 Speaker 2: is important. 701 00:40:25,814 --> 00:40:28,334 Speaker 3: You can try and sort of smooth a few rough edges. 702 00:40:28,574 --> 00:40:32,494 Speaker 2: What if they're wrong, Well then that's the that's their 703 00:40:32,494 --> 00:40:35,494 Speaker 2: prerogative and they can be wrong. And I think you've 704 00:40:35,494 --> 00:40:38,814 Speaker 2: got to accept people for for the good and the bad, 705 00:40:39,014 --> 00:40:42,374 Speaker 2: and you don't if if you're chasing perfection every time 706 00:40:42,414 --> 00:40:44,854 Speaker 2: and you want your own way every time, it just 707 00:40:44,934 --> 00:40:50,734 Speaker 2: doesn't work. And you also need from my experience, and 708 00:40:50,814 --> 00:40:52,694 Speaker 2: each their own and everyone's got their own formula. 709 00:40:52,734 --> 00:40:58,454 Speaker 3: But for us, it's not letting things. I never want my. 710 00:40:58,454 --> 00:41:03,254 Speaker 2: Head to hit the pillow if you know, we've had 711 00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:07,774 Speaker 2: a disagreement about something, and I just think you should. 712 00:41:07,774 --> 00:41:11,934 Speaker 2: You should finish each day in a good space, even 713 00:41:11,934 --> 00:41:13,654 Speaker 2: if you've got to suck it up a bit and 714 00:41:13,774 --> 00:41:16,534 Speaker 2: swallow a bit of pride, and you know, you might 715 00:41:16,574 --> 00:41:19,134 Speaker 2: still have the discussion the next day. But I think 716 00:41:19,174 --> 00:41:23,054 Speaker 2: goat to bed at night knowing that the relationship means 717 00:41:23,134 --> 00:41:25,734 Speaker 2: enough to you to try and resolve those problems. I 718 00:41:25,814 --> 00:41:30,494 Speaker 2: also think you've got to spend a lot of time 719 00:41:30,734 --> 00:41:35,414 Speaker 2: on that, that together time. Like it's sort of a 720 00:41:36,374 --> 00:41:39,254 Speaker 2: sort of a you know, geeky thing to sort of say, 721 00:41:39,534 --> 00:41:42,414 Speaker 2: or maybe a you know. 722 00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:43,254 Speaker 3: A sloppy thing to say. 723 00:41:43,254 --> 00:41:47,054 Speaker 2: But I just think if you're not able to speak 724 00:41:47,054 --> 00:41:49,974 Speaker 2: with each other freely and have that discussion, then you've 725 00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:51,414 Speaker 2: got to work out how you can do that. And 726 00:41:51,454 --> 00:41:56,774 Speaker 2: it's I don't know, like I've married somebody who is. 727 00:41:58,214 --> 00:41:58,494 Speaker 3: It. 728 00:41:58,494 --> 00:42:00,254 Speaker 2: We're sort of yin and yang in terms of organized 729 00:42:00,294 --> 00:42:03,854 Speaker 2: so currently always when the kids were young, things were packed, 730 00:42:03,974 --> 00:42:06,334 Speaker 2: lunches were made. She was ready to get out of 731 00:42:06,334 --> 00:42:08,334 Speaker 2: the door while I was still getting out of the shower. 732 00:42:09,534 --> 00:42:11,814 Speaker 2: And she's always been well organized like that, And I 733 00:42:11,814 --> 00:42:13,854 Speaker 2: think that where you can find that in and yang 734 00:42:13,854 --> 00:42:17,014 Speaker 2: in different parts of your relationship. You compliment each other ultimately, 735 00:42:17,134 --> 00:42:19,974 Speaker 2: so but you can still have big points of difference. 736 00:42:20,894 --> 00:42:24,854 Speaker 4: Okay, I would like to ask you one thing. Should 737 00:42:24,854 --> 00:42:28,054 Speaker 4: you win the election, do you think you're going to 738 00:42:29,214 --> 00:42:29,654 Speaker 4: I think. 739 00:42:29,454 --> 00:42:30,334 Speaker 3: We can win the election. 740 00:42:31,174 --> 00:42:33,134 Speaker 2: It hasn't happened since nineteen thirty one for a first 741 00:42:33,214 --> 00:42:36,454 Speaker 2: term government to lose, So it's a huge task and 742 00:42:36,454 --> 00:42:39,694 Speaker 2: we've got to win about twenty seats, which is a 743 00:42:39,694 --> 00:42:42,134 Speaker 2: big undertaking. But there's no doubt in my mind that 744 00:42:42,174 --> 00:42:45,814 Speaker 2: we can win if we work hard, we're disciplined, and 745 00:42:46,134 --> 00:42:49,374 Speaker 2: we put the policies out that can capture people's imaginations. 746 00:42:49,854 --> 00:42:52,814 Speaker 4: Well, if you do win, I would like to invite 747 00:42:52,854 --> 00:42:58,014 Speaker 4: you to come back thank you exactly a year from today. 748 00:42:58,374 --> 00:43:03,974 Speaker 4: Deal and I would like to know, given the ethos, 749 00:43:04,014 --> 00:43:07,214 Speaker 4: the mission statement of Mama Maya, which is to improve 750 00:43:07,254 --> 00:43:10,694 Speaker 4: the world for women and girls, like to discuss with 751 00:43:10,734 --> 00:43:15,254 Speaker 4: you in that intervening period, what you have done to 752 00:43:15,334 --> 00:43:15,894 Speaker 4: that end. 753 00:43:16,934 --> 00:43:22,534 Speaker 2: Well, firstly, an absolute commitment, and it should be a 754 00:43:22,574 --> 00:43:25,254 Speaker 2: conversation that continues on for the year about what we 755 00:43:25,294 --> 00:43:29,214 Speaker 2: can do to make lives for women and young girls better, 756 00:43:29,294 --> 00:43:33,214 Speaker 2: and particularly as I said, a real focus with online 757 00:43:33,534 --> 00:43:37,614 Speaker 2: and safety online and being able to deal with the 758 00:43:37,814 --> 00:43:42,254 Speaker 2: transmission of images, and how women and girls can feel 759 00:43:42,254 --> 00:43:45,494 Speaker 2: safe living a bigger part of their lives online than 760 00:43:45,494 --> 00:43:48,854 Speaker 2: they ever have. But there are many other issues, housing, etc. 761 00:43:50,094 --> 00:43:51,974 Speaker 2: That I spoke about before. K So I think there's 762 00:43:52,014 --> 00:43:54,014 Speaker 2: a lot of work for us to do, and it'd 763 00:43:54,014 --> 00:43:55,254 Speaker 2: be great to work with you and great to be 764 00:43:55,294 --> 00:43:56,294 Speaker 2: back here in two a month's time. 765 00:43:56,894 --> 00:43:59,254 Speaker 4: I'll shake on that, and then I want to ask 766 00:43:59,294 --> 00:44:04,454 Speaker 4: you one more thing. Do you know the saying hard 767 00:44:04,534 --> 00:44:08,974 Speaker 4: men make good times. Good times make weak weak men 768 00:44:09,094 --> 00:44:10,254 Speaker 4: make hard times. 769 00:44:10,734 --> 00:44:11,414 Speaker 3: I have heard that. 770 00:44:11,574 --> 00:44:14,654 Speaker 4: Yes, you are strong man. 771 00:44:14,814 --> 00:44:16,974 Speaker 3: I'll let you be the the judge of that. 772 00:44:18,574 --> 00:44:22,254 Speaker 2: I believe that I have a strength of character and 773 00:44:22,254 --> 00:44:29,854 Speaker 2: it ability to make tough decisions, to exercise compassion when 774 00:44:29,894 --> 00:44:33,454 Speaker 2: it's needed and regularly, but to make the tough decisions 775 00:44:33,454 --> 00:44:36,974 Speaker 2: for our country to keep people safe, to create a 776 00:44:37,014 --> 00:44:40,334 Speaker 2: stronger quantity. I do believe that I've got that strength 777 00:44:40,374 --> 00:44:42,174 Speaker 2: and I believe I can demonstrate that as Prime Minister. 778 00:44:43,414 --> 00:44:46,814 Speaker 4: Peter Dutton, thank you for sharing yourself with no filter. 779 00:44:46,894 --> 00:44:48,054 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Kate. Thank you. 780 00:44:51,414 --> 00:44:53,614 Speaker 4: Okay, I feel like I know a little bit more 781 00:44:53,734 --> 00:44:59,254 Speaker 4: of the enigma that is Peter Craig Dutton Pace. If 782 00:44:59,294 --> 00:45:02,414 Speaker 4: you're wanting more politics in your day, we also have 783 00:45:02,454 --> 00:45:06,734 Speaker 4: an episode with Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi how he feels 784 00:45:06,734 --> 00:45:09,974 Speaker 4: he's gone over the past three years and just how 785 00:45:10,014 --> 00:45:12,774 Speaker 4: those wedding plans are coming along. There is a link 786 00:45:12,814 --> 00:45:16,494 Speaker 4: to that conversation in the show notes from Mama Maya. 787 00:45:16,654 --> 00:45:20,134 Speaker 4: You're listening to No Filter. I'm your host Kate Lanebrook. 788 00:45:20,774 --> 00:45:22,854 Speaker 4: I'll be back in your ears next week. 789 00:45:23,374 --> 00:45:26,134 Speaker 1: Hey, we hope you enjoyed this episode of No Filter. 790 00:45:26,374 --> 00:45:28,614 Speaker 1: If you'd like to hear Kate in conversation with Prime 791 00:45:28,614 --> 00:45:31,894 Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanezi, that's also live in the QUICKI feed. 792 00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:34,014 Speaker 1: You should be able to find it right next to 793 00:45:34,014 --> 00:45:36,854 Speaker 1: this one. For more from Kate and No Filter, there'll 794 00:45:36,854 --> 00:45:39,174 Speaker 1: be a link to follow in the show notes and 795 00:45:39,374 --> 00:45:42,054 Speaker 1: the quiki will be back in your feed tomorrow at 796 00:45:42,094 --> 00:45:42,814 Speaker 1: six am.