Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom and mea podcast. Mom and
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Speaker 1: the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and as
Speaker 1: science charges and sentences to them so that we can
Speaker 1: all move on with our lives. My name is Jesse
Speaker 1: Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stevens and Claire. Today
Speaker 1: we are talking about Billie Eilish Love.
Speaker 2: Hi Mina Class, My mon Stone.
Speaker 3: I'm really flipped out by teenagers, dude, but I am
Speaker 3: one too, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'll make it into a game.
Speaker 1: If they'll say something.
Speaker 4: I'll be like, oh my god, I love this thing,
Speaker 4: and they'll be like I love it too, And then
Speaker 4: immediately I'll be like, no, I hate that, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I hate it too. And it's like weird that it
Speaker 4: works because it's sad, because it's like, just.
Speaker 1: Be real, like what are you doing.
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk to a clone on myself.
Speaker 2: I don't even like myself. If someone's like, oh god,
Speaker 2: you're so you fall apart so much, like you're so annoying,
Speaker 2: Like you're always fucking like sad. I'm like, I know
Speaker 2: I have to be in this bitch all the time,
Speaker 2: Like I'm aware of how annoying it is.
Speaker 1: May you please guess the middle is Billy Eilish her
Speaker 1: real name. Yeah, yep, wow, Okay, you got three seconds
Speaker 1: three two one Joe. Well, well do you mean Joe?
Speaker 1: I meant Joel. Okay, no, it's Pirate. Her full name
Speaker 1: Pirate is in as in the criminal. Her full name
Speaker 1: is Billy Eilish, Pirate Beard O'Connell. Okay, okay, Well, technically
Speaker 1: pirate is the middle name because you're right in the middle. Well, no,
Speaker 1: i'd say Eilish. Well, then what's pirate? It's her confirmation
Speaker 1: she's nacked up to Saint Pirates. Yeah, oh the rough sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's for when your boat gets crashed, you pray to
Speaker 1: Saint Pirate. I'm just thinking how as an adult, pirates
Speaker 1: come up enough, and Pirates are really fun because and
Speaker 1: this is the reason they're just telling Captain Philip Captain Phillip, sir, Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched it recently. Yeah, can confirm still a brilliant film. Well,
Speaker 1: what I will say is Pirates should come up more
Speaker 1: because pirates are real. They are real, and it's like
Speaker 1: they don't bear much of resemblance to the pirates and
Speaker 1: children's books, which are fun because it's like walking the
Speaker 1: plank and like they have a hook an Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but still I still think sea criminals are an interesting
Speaker 1: brand of criminals. I do too that we don't talk
Speaker 1: about it enough because I'm always like, how do you
Speaker 1: bought the boat? Because it's like, don't they just not
Speaker 1: let you on the boat. No, because they get these
Speaker 1: ladders you see. And Captain Pilott. She was born in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven. I hate which makes her four
Speaker 1: years old. She rose to twenty. She was not born
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. Fuck, you know, I'm just like sick
Speaker 1: when it comes to number. It was two thousand and one, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because twenty eleven she'd be thirteen, which is thirty. Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: She was born in two thousand and one, one year
Speaker 1: after the Sydney Olympic Games. She rose to fame in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. She was fourteen years old, and she rose
Speaker 1: to fame with Ocean Eyes. Since then, she sung the
Speaker 1: theme song for James Bond and for Barbie. She won
Speaker 1: the Academy Award for both name and award. She's won it.
Speaker 1: She's in the Guinness Book of World Records. Hold on,
Speaker 1: you didn't give me a chance? Oh name an award
Speaker 1: an Aria. I wouldn't be surprised. She doesn't want that,
Speaker 1: long doesn't want it. She's in the Guinness Book of
Speaker 1: World Records. And then I went, I wonder what she's
Speaker 1: in the Guinness Book of World Records for? And then
Speaker 1: I didn't google it, but instead I got stuck in
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole of Remember how in two thousand the
Speaker 1: Guinness Book of World Records was obsessed with how far
Speaker 1: you could pop your eyeballs out of bed? That was
Speaker 1: on the cover. That was on the cover, Like imagine
Speaker 1: if she was in there for something really not related,
Speaker 1: not related, like oh, she's actually consumed the most big
Speaker 1: max in a lifetime, or she can do a good
Speaker 1: ten point five centimeters with the eyeballs. And every time
Speaker 1: they did it, I went, don't it's not good because
Speaker 1: it popped them out. I know the retina's going to
Speaker 1: detach her. It's not worth it for a record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't do that. I remember looking at that
Speaker 1: and thinking, I wonder if I can do that if
Speaker 1: I tried, I'm too scared to try. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: need the record. Yeah, look that was all in two thousand.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't remember. She was only one anyway. No, when
Speaker 1: she wasn't formed, you're so bad at mad. I don't
Speaker 1: know when she was born old, she was gestation. She
Speaker 1: was either gest dating or she was an a testicle. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: just because her frontal lobe isn't fully developed yet doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that she hasn't been canceled a number of times.
Speaker 1: My structure for today is as follows, calling people who
Speaker 1: sleep walk creepy, don't laugh, people who sleep walk are
Speaker 1: really upset, being mean to men who are ugly looking,
Speaker 1: oh no, having some feedback for rap music, a racist slur,
Speaker 1: queer baiting, and a weird, gross and also wrong Halloween costume.
Speaker 1: Oh no. Firstly, calling people who sleep walk creepy a
Speaker 1: tale as old as time. In twenty nineteen, Billie Eilish
Speaker 1: was interviewed by Pitchfork, and I'm going to play you
Speaker 1: an excerpt of what she said in this interview. I
Speaker 1: don't sleep walk. Shit is terrifying. That's terrifying.
Speaker 3: And then there's like stories about people like waking up
Speaker 3: with like a knife, like over someone and they don't
Speaker 3: remember it. Okay, Oh sleepwalking, Oh sleep bark That shit
Speaker 3: is creepy. Tie yourself to your bed.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Do some bondage on yourself. I don't care. Claire,
Speaker 1: this interview, which appears to have very few questions, is
Speaker 1: ten minutes long. And is it just an eighteen year
Speaker 1: old running her mouth on thoughts. It's Billy Eilish musing
Speaker 1: about sleep barbing everything you can possibly imagine. I've never
Speaker 1: heard anything like it. She does say sleepwalking is creepy,
Speaker 1: which is what seems to happen when you just sit
Speaker 1: someone in front of a camera and demand they speak
Speaker 1: indefinitely the weird things I would say if given free
Speaker 1: rein the weird places, because you know you're in a
Speaker 1: conversation sometimes with someone quiet or who hasn't given you anything.
Speaker 1: Oh you go weird, and you go weird to fill
Speaker 1: the silence. And then you're like, I don't even think that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think she thinks sleepwalking is creepy. I just
Speaker 1: think she ran out of things to say. But on
Speaker 1: that sleepwalking is creepy, it is that's not offensive to
Speaker 1: people with sleepwalk. That's offensive to sleepwalking, and sleepwalking isn't offended.
Speaker 1: If it is, that's creepy, that is creepy. And in fact,
Speaker 1: she says that if you sleepwalk, you should like tie
Speaker 1: yourself to the bed or something so you don't sleepwalk. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: we should. We should live in a Billie Eilish for
Speaker 1: more solutions from more solutions to life, because when you
Speaker 1: are that age, you have a lot of time to
Speaker 1: problem and solve. Yeah, when you're kind of older and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's say you've got a bunch of
Speaker 1: kids and like you've got a full time job, you
Speaker 1: don't have time to solve sleepwalking. No, you just kind
Speaker 1: of do it and find yourself with a knife over
Speaker 1: your partner going, I've really got to get this sorted
Speaker 1: for ten years. And sleepwalking, it shouldn't happen when you're sleeping.
Speaker 1: You should be lying down in bed, not walking around.
Speaker 1: True or false? Okay, I said to mom recently, I
Speaker 1: remembered that when we were little. She told me. When
Speaker 1: I was like five, I said, I want to sleep
Speaker 1: in my shoes because that's the kind of weird thing
Speaker 1: a kid says. And Mom said, if you sleep in shoes,
Speaker 1: you will sleep walk. And I said to her the
Speaker 1: other day, I think I've believed that until now. I
Speaker 1: want one hundred percent believe that if I were to
Speaker 1: sleep in my shoes, I'd walk around my house potentially
Speaker 1: the block. And I have no evidence that that wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: because it's like, in my head it was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because your body's like kind of primed, walk here. It
Speaker 1: makes total sense. Yeah, why do people who said, well,
Speaker 1: just take their shoes off so stupid? Later in the interview,
Speaker 1: she says parents who send their kids to school are
Speaker 1: I quote lazy as fuck because they're like, and I
Speaker 1: quote I don't want to teach you, bitch. For context,
Speaker 1: Eilish was homeschool She's never been to school, and she
Speaker 1: said she learned maths from cooking with her mum, and
Speaker 1: she learned how to build shit from her dad. I'm
Speaker 1: not in the business of canceling people, but if I
Speaker 1: was going to comment on one element of this interview,
Speaker 1: I think would be the time that she called all
Speaker 1: parents lazy as fun her kids to school to learn.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because it's like, okay, Billie Eilish, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to have kids in a decade. Are you prepared
Speaker 1: to not do anything else because you're just homeschooling them.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to homeschool my children. I don't have
Speaker 1: enough of the knowledge. No, sounds like a nightmare. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I loved this YouTube comment that read, I feel like
Speaker 1: whenever she talks, it's like she's having a conversation with herself. Yes,
Speaker 1: because no one will ask a requestion no, and no
Speaker 1: one gives her anything no. So I'm listening to it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, she's trying to crack a joke here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently her mom's there because she keeps referring to her mum,
Speaker 1: being like, mom, I slept talk once, didn't I. But
Speaker 1: her mum's not giving her a shit. So she's just
Speaker 1: lit up on a stool talking knowing her onto the
Speaker 1: topic of sleep. It's not usually wait interviews, Claire. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to be clear, they're in no question.
Speaker 1: The thing about she talks like having conversation with herself
Speaker 1: is the most accurate description of a press tour I've
Speaker 1: ever heard, because I feel like journalists just go go
Speaker 1: say the weirdest shit you can possibly think up and
Speaker 1: then Billie Eilish is like, pooping is underrated. That's a quote. Okay,
Speaker 1: why does it happen specifically with music like musicians, it's
Speaker 1: like no one knows what to ask. No, that's nothing
Speaker 1: like I've interviewed musicians. Yeah, this is the thing. If
Speaker 1: they have a story, yes, but most of the time
Speaker 1: they just wrote an album. Yeah, they wrote music and
Speaker 1: then they sit they didn't or they didn't They just sing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, how does it feel to sing? Like
Speaker 1: there's no questions Anyway, she did say pooping is underrated,
Speaker 1: and she said that they hold on day hold on.
Speaker 1: I agree, Well, like she's quite I think the wisdom
Speaker 1: is using. There was one day where she pooped eight
Speaker 1: times and it was one of the best days of
Speaker 1: her life. Okay, you know he can run. And she said,
Speaker 1: I was pooping dead at and it was good poops.
Speaker 3: One billion percent underrated. Pooping is my favorite part of
Speaker 3: the day. There was one day I pooped eight times.
Speaker 3: That was the best day of my life. And they
Speaker 3: were all solid good poops too, like no, like bullshit poops.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I wasn't like I'm done.
Speaker 1: And she said, if you don't enjoy pooping. And this
Speaker 1: is when she gets a ted talk. She gets a
Speaker 1: little bit on our high horse, and she gets a
Speaker 1: bit luxury. And she said, if you don't enjoy pooping
Speaker 1: because you're eating shit, Oh cat, I'm not the one
Speaker 1: pooping eight times in a day, am I? You had
Speaker 1: gastro all right? You know you can relate to the
Speaker 1: pooping eight times in a day? Who my little eight
Speaker 1: month old? But yeah, a day like that recently, well
Speaker 1: she said. Then she riffed on babies for a while,
Speaker 1: and she said babies like me because I am one
Speaker 1: of them or something. And then someone was like, this
Speaker 1: is just a line lifted from the office, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, yeah, she's talking for ten minutes straight
Speaker 1: and she's eighteen. What she got to say. She's gonna
Speaker 1: say things that you saw on TV. Babies are drawn
Speaker 1: to me, and I think it's because they see me
Speaker 1: as one of them, but.
Speaker 4: Cooler and with my life put together a little bit.
Speaker 1: At one stage, she pauses and she burps unto. So
Speaker 1: that's when you've given somebody too much rope. You've given
Speaker 1: them just like I did that out too much to
Speaker 1: just do whatever. This brings us to the other controversial
Speaker 1: thing that she said in what I now referred to
Speaker 1: as a never ending interviews, since it's all the same
Speaker 1: interviews being mean to men who happen to be ugly looking. Claire,
Speaker 1: I would like you to listen to Billy's musings.
Speaker 6: Prom ew It's where the most beautiful girls get asked
Speaker 6: by the worst dudes to prom and they're like fuck
Speaker 6: because they finally found someone that likes them. Why is
Speaker 6: every pretty girl with a horrible looking man?
Speaker 1: Don't understand?
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not shaming people for their looks, but I am. Though.
Speaker 3: You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he
Speaker 3: rules the world. I swear to God, because they got
Speaker 3: a hot girl, they can be horrible Like you're still
Speaker 3: ugly though, can't change that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's like why like guys with small dicks get
Speaker 3: like huge mansions to make up for it, you know,
Speaker 3: or like like really nice cars.
Speaker 1: Would you like to hear her talk for another Okay,
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes about this point. That isn't entirely fully formed.
Speaker 1: It's got no music, it's got no it's nothing. It's
Speaker 1: just making a step. I know what you mean that
Speaker 1: she's not getting anything back. So usually when you're interviewed,
Speaker 1: somebody answers something, there's a full stop and you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's wrapped up, and then you keep going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it was a never ending answer, it's going to
Speaker 1: go to weird places. Do you think she's got a point?
Speaker 1: Do you think that hot girls end up with ugly
Speaker 1: guys and then ugly guys think they're awesome and they're
Speaker 1: mean to hot girls. It's called philosophies. I don't think.
Speaker 1: It's not something I worry about, all right, It's not
Speaker 1: something I think about that much. Well, Claire, if there
Speaker 1: is one group you cannot criticize on the internet, it's
Speaker 1: ugly guy. It's ugly man. Yeah, because they're there, they're waiting.
Speaker 1: They're like, I have been on the internet for sixteen
Speaker 1: hours today and you, little lady, have offended me. And
Speaker 1: you came up on my YouTube. And because I had
Speaker 1: nowhere Betty to be, I watched this whole thing, a
Speaker 1: weird interview, but you offended me. Well, some people got
Speaker 1: very mad because they saw the comments as shallow and
Speaker 1: shaming men for their looks. They argued there was a
Speaker 1: double standard because Eilish had talked in the past about
Speaker 1: being a victim of body shaming, and she's a champion
Speaker 1: of body positivity. One comment read she basically said, no
Speaker 1: guy deserves a good looking partner if he's ugly, because
Speaker 1: every ugly guy is a bad person to all that
Speaker 1: I know. Can you even paraphrase what she said? When
Speaker 1: it's just I just think my defense is it's going
Speaker 1: to be repeated over and over again. And she's eighteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and nothing makes sense. Name an eighteen year old who
Speaker 1: isn't shallow? Yeah, like what she's got like a perspective,
Speaker 1: I don't know even think she claims to. She was
Speaker 1: also talking about it in the context of prom and
Speaker 1: may I just say there is something funny about school
Speaker 1: formal slash proms whatever, because the girls have spray t habs,
Speaker 1: make up, false eyelashes, they have their hair done, They
Speaker 1: are wearing a ball gown that their mum got them
Speaker 1: from Westfield on sale and it's satin and they look
Speaker 1: twenty five yeah and beautiful. And little Harry over here
Speaker 1: is wearing a two big suit that mum bought him
Speaker 1: from tyro Cash. No he hired, he hired, which means
Speaker 1: he couldn't get it turned and I originally got his
Speaker 1: shoes from pay less. He did get his shoes from payless.
Speaker 1: He's not wearing a cologne. He didn't even bother with
Speaker 1: a cologne. Didn't have to shave. He's got my facial hair.
Speaker 1: He's brushed his hair, but it looks worse. And if
Speaker 1: he's feeling special, he did ask to get his top
Speaker 1: braces removed today today for the UK new color. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I'll get black for the formal. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is black ties. I'll get black elastics. He might be
Speaker 1: wearing a jaunty sock to mark the occasion. But the
Speaker 1: photos are ridiculous. They really go to show socialization, socialization,
Speaker 1: and we as a culture don't laugh at them enough.
Speaker 1: We are so brainwashed into thinking that it's normal that
Speaker 1: his suit doesn't fit, denying it. He looks fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: He would rather be playing any video game than being here.
Speaker 1: That woman looks like she has four children at home.
Speaker 1: She looks like she's lived a life, she's spent She's
Speaker 1: spent a sickening amount of a thousand bucks. She doesn't
Speaker 1: have a family. Doesn't have to look like miss Universe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he does not look great. Next to her
Speaker 1: because of the amount of effort she's put in. I
Speaker 1: will say what I don't understand about Billie Eilish making
Speaker 1: this point is she never went to prom Christian She
Speaker 1: never went to prom. I don't really understand homeschool. I'm
Speaker 1: a bit like, what is your socialization? Yeah, it's genuinely confusing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because like if you ever been to
Speaker 1: a prom, I don't think so. Anyway, I'm going to
Speaker 1: jump forward to November two, twenty twenty three, when the
Speaker 1: then twenty one year old singer was interviewed as part
Speaker 1: of Variety's Power of Women issue Oh Yes, I Love These.
Speaker 1: Eilish reflected on the scrutiny she received after wearing a
Speaker 1: tank top in public in twenty sixteen. Do you remember this.
Speaker 1: It's up a beige tank top and there were pat
Speaker 1: pictures and every tabloid in the world had a comment
Speaker 1: to make at the time. Because she was mostly seen
Speaker 1: in sort of baggy jumpers and baggy pants, the tabloids
Speaker 1: took this opportunity to say things like good for her
Speaker 1: for feeling comfortable in her bigger skin, or Billie Eilish
Speaker 1: looks unrecognizable. You know when the tabloids are like, we're
Speaker 1: not saying anything, We're just showing you these pictures and
Speaker 1: saying she's brave and inspiring for the leaving the house
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, Billy was sixteen years old. This is
Speaker 1: what she told Variety. Nobody ever says a thing about
Speaker 1: men's bodies. If you're muscular, cool, if you're not cool,
Speaker 1: if you're rail thin, cool, if you have a dad
Speaker 1: bod cool, if your pudgy love it. Everybody's happy with it.
Speaker 1: You know why, because girls are nice. They don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck, because we see people for who they are.
Speaker 1: The clip about the ugly men resurfaced and the Internet
Speaker 1: had a field day. Here was some of the commentary.
Speaker 1: We got a whole generation of men with serious image
Speaker 1: issues in the gym constantly. Someone said, I totally disagree.
Speaker 1: Short guys face a lot. Someone said, this is false
Speaker 1: and little tone deaf men receive criticism all the time
Speaker 1: for their bodies, Claire, do they? Well? I guess my
Speaker 1: thing is, I'm shocked that somebody in the early twenties
Speaker 1: is hypocritical, like, not entirely consistent with what I don't think.
Speaker 1: The brain, the part that's responsible for consistency has developed,
Speaker 1: has developed yet. Yeah, I know, I will say that
Speaker 1: there is no way that if Billy was a young
Speaker 1: male star, think like a Justin biebar Timothy Challow May.
Speaker 1: I've never heard a comment on any of those men's bodies.
Speaker 1: And there is not a woman from Sidney Sweeney to
Speaker 1: Zendeya to whoever who has escaped comment and it's different commentary.
Speaker 1: The commentary is different. And just the fact that you're
Speaker 1: allowed to be a man in just like a comfortable
Speaker 1: body in just an average comfortable body, and you're entitled
Speaker 1: to be there. That's radical if you're a woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all women kind of have to have the same body
Speaker 1: and if you don't have that body, then you don't
Speaker 1: get a job. Yeah, Like they are sort of the
Speaker 1: Joni Hills, and he's talked about that, and it's like
Speaker 1: a really valid point, but it's just not to the
Speaker 1: same extent. Also because you know how she kind of
Speaker 1: makes a point that I'm like, yeah, I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but then she tries to ted talk it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she says, because girls are nice, they don't give a fuck,
Speaker 1: because we see people for who they are. It's like, hmm, No,
Speaker 1: it's more complicated than that because internalized misogyny. Patriarchy, yeah, patriarchy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she wouldn't have learn that word yet. No, she
Speaker 1: didn't go to school. No, having some feedback for rap music.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty and someone has put a microphone in
Speaker 1: front of an eighteen year old again, and they're refusing
Speaker 1: to ask a question. No, Jessie, and you better believe
Speaker 1: that Billie Eilish understands the assignment. Okay, she's gonna say
Speaker 1: something weird and controversial. She's speaking to Vogue and she's
Speaker 1: reflecting on how there's a difference between her music and
Speaker 1: the worker other artists put out, which I feel like
Speaker 1: is a dut point and like the talking points of
Speaker 1: every artist. Yeah, yeap. My manager, they're publicist or whatever,
Speaker 1: is like heires some talking points. This meant a lot
Speaker 1: to me. I'm sharing a new part of myself. My
Speaker 1: music is different to other people's music. That's it. She said.
Speaker 1: There's a difference between lying in a song and writing
Speaker 1: a story. There are tons of songs where people are
Speaker 1: just lying. There's a lot of in rap right now
Speaker 1: from people that I know who rap. It's like I
Speaker 1: got my AK forty seven and I'm fucking' and I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: you don't have a gun and all my bitches, I'm like,
Speaker 1: which bitches? That's posturing and that's not what I'm doing. Claire,
Speaker 1: What do you think of that comment? On the one hand,
Speaker 1: I agree that there's a lot of rap music I
Speaker 1: listen to. Sorry, there's not a lot of rap music.
Speaker 1: I don't really know it, but whenever I've listened to
Speaker 1: rap music, I have thought, there's no way this incredibly wealthy,
Speaker 1: successful artist who's rapping about being from the hood, I
Speaker 1: don't think his life actually looks like that anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's one part. The second party is I think
Speaker 1: a lot of them probably do have guns and bitches.
Speaker 1: That's actually true. Some people saw this as Billy dismissing
Speaker 1: rap music as raally genuine and authentic, which is not
Speaker 1: what I heard. But I cannot stress this enough. Her
Speaker 1: fan base are on the internet a lot. They have
Speaker 1: a lot of free time, so they defend her when
Speaker 1: people no. No, the opposite. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: time to feel offense, to broadcast got it, to fight
Speaker 1: with others in the comments, a back seat offense, fight
Speaker 1: between themselves. Yes, yes, turn on each other activist and
Speaker 1: artist Ferrari Shepherd wrote, Billie Eilish will win even harder
Speaker 1: now that she's taken a colonial approach to hip hop.
Speaker 1: Would you prefer rap stories be one hundred percent nonfiction
Speaker 1: so we can produce more dead or incarcerated rap stars.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up and stay in your lane. That's
Speaker 1: the most Internet comment. I just think like you could
Speaker 1: read it like that, or you could read it as
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old who got famous when she was
Speaker 1: fourteen needs to who and who needs to be a
Speaker 1: specific question like this right absolutely would fly at a barbecue. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: h In fact, you said that at a barbecue and
Speaker 1: people would go, that's such a good point, Billy. I
Speaker 1: bet they don't even have an AK forty or that
Speaker 1: many bitches, and then we all just move on. The
Speaker 1: problem is that Ferrari Shepherd saw it and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: use the word colonial. Now. What Eilish is talking about
Speaker 1: is a real phenomenon. There's all this analysis on rappers
Speaker 1: like one named Meek Mill and another named Little Dirk.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of these people, but they are literal
Speaker 1: millionaires and they rap about guns and violence and a
Speaker 1: lifestyle that like all this academic analysis has been like,
Speaker 1: this could not be further from their reality. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it's those two, but a lot of
Speaker 1: them it's like they've never lived in this area. They're
Speaker 1: profiting off a lifestyle that they've never lived. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't have a massive problem with it. But Vogue
Speaker 1: asked Billy to speak for forty five minutes without drawing breath.
Speaker 1: We know what happens when that. Yeah, at last time,
Speaker 1: sleep walking screopy. It got to how many times she
Speaker 1: pood in a day, made that we didn't need that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's gonna say, don't be singing about having a gun
Speaker 1: when you don't even have a gun. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: she's gonna the hell she's going to die, she's trying
Speaker 1: to find He'll, yeah, yep. Stop asking an eighteen year
Speaker 1: old questions on literally anything if you don't want them
Speaker 1: to say dumb. She Okay, she's inevitable. It's a game.
Speaker 1: It's always going to go the same way. A racist slur.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Eilish is nineteen, a video went
Speaker 1: viral on TikTok. You know you're young when your first
Speaker 1: cancelations happen on TikTok es of her mouthing the words
Speaker 1: to a song that included a derogatory and racist term
Speaker 1: used to describe members of the Asian community. To be clear,
Speaker 1: this was an old video. She would have been about
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen when it was filmed. Then another video
Speaker 1: surfaced where she was speaking gibberish and some claim she
Speaker 1: was imitating an Asian accent. Eilish as a general rule,
Speaker 1: doesn't address controversy. She didn't come back for a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff about body shaming. She's busy, for example,
Speaker 1: getting her new World records for the longest time spent
Speaker 1: in a snow globe. That's a real record. Wait, but
Speaker 1: she didn't break that. Okay, somebody, somebody spent the longest
Speaker 1: time in a snow globe. Yeah, but I don't know
Speaker 1: it's like a human size snow because I'm impressed if
Speaker 1: it's like a little one. Yeah yeah. Or see. This
Speaker 1: is the thing that's always annoyed me about Guinness World Records, though,
Speaker 1: is okay, fastest person is one, and then it's the
Speaker 1: weirdest things. I was like person to lay upside down
Speaker 1: in the podcast studio for the longest Well, I can
Speaker 1: do that because that's weird and no one else wants
Speaker 1: to do it. But you haven't done it, have you?
Speaker 5: No? No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's one that I read about the longest duration
Speaker 1: of balancing on one foot in heels. Guess how long
Speaker 1: that is? Three hours? Okay, it's one hour and three minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh see, I could do it. You can do that.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to. Yeah, okay, we should do it.
Speaker 1: I think that should be a thing of like the
Speaker 1: first half is fastest person in the water, fastest person
Speaker 1: in the land. Okay, yes, absolutely, and then there's just
Speaker 1: could do, didn't want to and it is and it's
Speaker 1: like on a lazy a. Yeah. Longest nails. Yeah, I'm like, sweet,
Speaker 1: you'd never cut your nails.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not paying that to the same extent as the
Speaker 1: fastest person. Yeah. I don't know what her world records
Speaker 1: are anyway. She did address this controversy. She said, I
Speaker 1: mouthed a word from a song that at the time
Speaker 1: I didn't know was a derogatory term. I am appalled
Speaker 1: and embarrassed and won a bath that I ever mouthed
Speaker 1: along to that word. Regardless of my ignorance and age
Speaker 1: at the time. Nothing excuses the fact that it was
Speaker 1: hurtful and for that I am sorry. She also denied
Speaker 1: the mocking an Asian accent. She said, no, I just
Speaker 1: speak gibberish, and I have no issue believing that she
Speaker 1: just actually assessing fast behavior m checks out. The person
Speaker 1: who released the video said she just wanted Eilish to
Speaker 1: address the recordings, and it's like, in that case, maybe
Speaker 1: send them to her privately and she could address you. Well,
Speaker 1: she'd say. She didn't reply. I don't think she tried.
Speaker 1: As an aside, if you actually care about acism, maybe
Speaker 1: don't broadcast a video to millions of people so that
Speaker 1: they can see themselves being mocked. I don't see how
Speaker 1: what you did was helpful because she's fourteen, she's done
Speaker 1: something stupid, which she regrets and which otherwise exists only
Speaker 1: in the depths of the internet for no one to
Speaker 1: see ever again, right, it's not like it's circulating unless
Speaker 1: you're circulating it to make a point. Okay, you just
Speaker 1: want to start shit on TikTok. Next point, who can
Speaker 1: blame her queer baiting. It's twenty twenty one and Billie
Speaker 1: Eilish posts a bunch of photos and videos from her
Speaker 1: Lost Cause music video. The caption read I love Girls.
Speaker 1: Some saw the post as Eilish coming out as a
Speaker 1: member of the LGBTQ plus community, but others saw her
Speaker 1: as being intentionally provocative to promote her new album. The
Speaker 1: comments on Instagram read Bestie, I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: queer baiting or not, but I'm really hoping you aren't
Speaker 1: because it's rude. Oh and was the word besting necessary? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes it a bit condescending the cement. Another posted
Speaker 1: on Twitter, queer baiting is bad enough, but during Pride Month,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but no, were you not sorry? This is
Speaker 1: how they speak, Claire, Yeah, just troll, Yeah, just say
Speaker 1: what you mean, like the ugly men say what you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, drop that. I'm sorry, drop the bestie And
Speaker 1: I guess at this point they don't really even have
Speaker 1: context on whether she is being authentic. Interesting point. Interesting point,
Speaker 1: So queer baiting the definition is essentially attracting an LGBT
Speaker 1: audience by hinting at same sex relationships that are never
Speaker 1: actually consummated. So Harry Styles has been accused of this
Speaker 1: as well. So I guess what we would need in
Speaker 1: this context is Billy to upload a video of her
Speaker 1: having sex with a woman, okay, to make sure while
Speaker 1: yelling I am a lesbian or I am bisexual? Maybe
Speaker 1: also having it printed on a card of Today's day
Speaker 1: yea yeah yeah. And I guess it's like we would
Speaker 1: then need to know how many people she slept with
Speaker 1: in order to honor scale judge how gay yea yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all for authenticity purposes. The Internet needs her to
Speaker 1: be authentic. Another person watched the film clip and commented,
Speaker 1: is Billie Eilish by or did I just watch four
Speaker 1: minutes of queer baiting done by a straight person? Everyone
Speaker 1: got very mad, and Billy posted a picture and was like,
Speaker 1: I am tired. And she was not having it, but
Speaker 1: she didn't say anything about the queer baiting accusations. After all,
Speaker 1: the brew haha. We haven't used that word enough on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Is a brew haha. Sometimes I think it's
Speaker 1: hoho ha ha. No, it's a different word. It's a
Speaker 1: brew haha, which is just like the drama brew haha.
Speaker 1: Is a brew haha. Okay, after all of the brew haha,
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish did come out in twenty twenty three, Billy mean,
Speaker 1: did you mean to come out?
Speaker 6: In the story.
Speaker 5: No, I didn't, but I kind of thought, wasn't it obvious,
Speaker 5: Like it's kind of been. I just I didn't realize
Speaker 5: people did it.
Speaker 1: No, so we need to get to a point where
Speaker 1: you don't even have to come out.
Speaker 5: So I just don't really believe in it. I'm just like,
Speaker 5: why can't we just exist? I've been doing this for
Speaker 5: a long time and I just didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's the same. I literally was like to my mom
Speaker 1: and dating women now, but I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I saw the articles.
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, I guess, I guess I came
Speaker 5: out today.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I guess.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, But it's exciting to me because you know,
Speaker 5: I guess people didn't know, so it's cool that they know.
Speaker 5: But ooh, I'm nervous talking about I'm.
Speaker 1: Not and again you're safe. Okay cool? Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: it's I am for the girls. She likes men and women, yep.
Speaker 1: But she didn't really want to talk about it and
Speaker 1: has been working it all out herself, and luckily she
Speaker 1: had that commenter who called her bestie to help her
Speaker 1: process her sexual Yeah, and everybody really let her come
Speaker 1: to that in private. I actually went and checked, and
Speaker 1: all of these people came back and said, hey, really,
Speaker 1: sorry for the way we talked. Did you have queer baity?
Speaker 1: That's what people on the internet always do when they're wrong.
Speaker 1: They do come back and really own up to their mistake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like somebody in their late teens slush early
Speaker 1: twenties might still be figuring stuff out. What we need
Speaker 1: them to be is a complete, tied in a bow
Speaker 1: human being, a weird, gross and wrong Halloween costume. Claire,
Speaker 1: find me a single celebrity who has not been canceled
Speaker 1: for a Halloween costume. Everyone needs stop dressing up for Halloween. Look,
Speaker 1: I've been saying this for a while because celebrity is
Speaker 1: for too long. Halloween's lost it. It's not even about
Speaker 1: being scary anymore. So many of them just dress up
Speaker 1: to be hot, and it's like all of this is
Speaker 1: going to date terribly and in five years you're all
Speaker 1: going to be canceled for a Halloween costume.
Speaker 2: You will.
Speaker 4: Why are you dressed so scary Halloween?
Speaker 1: Look, in terms of who hasn't been canceled, perhaps George
Speaker 1: Clooney's twins. Yeah no, what they're seven, so not yet
Speaker 1: I don't know what they got soon, probably bluey yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah and bluey. Oh. It's a preparation of some kind,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised if they get canceled too.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty two and she attends a party with
Speaker 1: her then boyfriend Jesse Rutherford, who is the front man
Speaker 1: of something called the Neighborhood.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yes, never heard of them anyway. The context is that
Speaker 1: he was eleven years older than Eilish. She's twenty, he's
Speaker 1: thirty one. So they go to this Halloween party and
Speaker 1: Eilish hard launches their relationship on Instagram with a sense
Speaker 1: deleted photo. Claire, please describe the photo and what you
Speaker 1: think that these two lovely people dressed up as all Right,
Speaker 1: on the left, we have Billie Eilish dressed as gosh,
Speaker 1: it's almost like Shirley Temple esque Little bo Peep maybe.
Speaker 1: And what's he? Okay, I'll tell you who. He looks like.
Speaker 1: He looks like the grandfather from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Speaker 1: I think I may be wrong about both of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: give me the thing. But she's got a hat like
Speaker 1: Little bo Peep bonnet. Yeah, he's got a bonnet on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is Billy Eilish has gone as
Speaker 1: a baby and he has gone as an old man.
Speaker 1: That's fucking hilarious. I think it's hilarious. That's funny. I
Speaker 1: think it's hilarious too. She has blonderinglets, silly hat and
Speaker 1: looks on cannily like your baby. Yes, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you want me to say this, but we
Speaker 1: went to a dress up party and didn't we make
Speaker 1: your husband dress up as Claire for his bucks a baby?
Speaker 1: They gave him a bottle yeah yeah, yeah yeah and
Speaker 1: unhappy yeah yeah, and he loved it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really really funny he had what else did he have?
Speaker 1: I think he might have had a bonnet, which is
Speaker 1: funny because maybe's to web on it. No, but it's
Speaker 1: just quite baby. Yeah, so much. It's funny in an
Speaker 1: age gap relationship. Do accentuate the gage because that's what
Speaker 1: humor's about. Yes, but the Internet did not like it
Speaker 1: because on the Internet everything is firstly serious, secondly harmful.
Speaker 1: Some comments read Billie Eilish and Jesse Rutherford's matching Halloween
Speaker 1: costs gyms is incredibly sick and twisted, especially with their
Speaker 1: age difference and power imbalance. One fan wrote, it's not
Speaker 1: funny or chic. It's not poking fun, It's disturbing and
Speaker 1: the adults in her life are letting her down once again.
Speaker 1: I don't think either of them thought it was chic.
Speaker 1: It's not chic. I'm Halloween baby and a grandpa. You
Speaker 1: know it's not chic Halloween disgusting. That Billie Eilish costume
Speaker 1: is extremely disturbing and I absolutely hate it every time
Speaker 1: it crosses my timeline. You, sir, need to get off
Speaker 1: the internet. Why have you seen this photo more than
Speaker 1: one I've never seen that photo before. Billy is grown
Speaker 1: enough to know how weird and creepy this is. I
Speaker 1: think I's agreed Billy Eilish and Jesse Brutherford think they
Speaker 1: are edgy with their Halloween costumes. But it's so embarrassing. Ah,
Speaker 1: people love that. I see the humor. I think it's
Speaker 1: funny because you're all going to get upset because there's
Speaker 1: an age gap relationship, and what she's done is she's
Speaker 1: just as a baby. It is time for charges and sentences, Claire.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go first, you know how. In a
Speaker 1: detective novel, Crime novel, mystery novel. They say that the answer,
Speaker 1: the key to unraveling the mystery exists on the first page. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was there all a long. It was there all long. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or you know, you watch crime show and they say
Speaker 1: first scene, perpetrator was in the first scene. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the little little rule. Her crime was there from the outset, right,
Speaker 1: it was there straight away in my introduction. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Her crime is that she was born in two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. That's what Which was too soon ago? A hundred? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is simply too soon ago and too long ago.
Speaker 1: Because too soon ago because she is a young person
Speaker 1: in the public eye. But it's long enough that she
Speaker 1: is verbal. Yes, yes, if she was a toddler, she
Speaker 1: wouldn't be getting all trouble. She is simply too young
Speaker 1: to be offering things such as reflections, opinions, and or comments.
Speaker 1: And her fans are also born after the year two thousand. Again,
Speaker 1: that makes them two and a half years old. They
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the internet with their bance no banned,
Speaker 1: so of course they don't have fully formed thoughts and
Speaker 1: accuse her of things that don't make sense. All of
Speaker 1: you need to still be having naps. Yeah, you haven't
Speaker 1: had your nap, and now you're shitty and you're on
Speaker 1: the internet accusing people of queer baiting, and you need
Speaker 1: your morning tea and your afternoon tea. Yes, exactly right,
Speaker 1: and you've need to be in bed before eight. My sentence,
Speaker 1: I sentence her to getting one year older every twelve months. No,
Speaker 1: so after this, I think she should be twenty two,
Speaker 1: then twenty two, then twenty three and so on, and
Speaker 1: then maybe when she's fifty eight she can do another
Speaker 1: interview where she's asked to reflect on poop and if
Speaker 1: there's anything to add, would you say how many times?
Speaker 1: How many times? And she'll say, upon reflection, I was
Speaker 1: a doctor. I thought it was a good day. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a day. I've had better days. I've had better days.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to know if her reflections have changed.
Speaker 1: How About on sleepwalking. I think she'd find by it.
Speaker 1: I think she'd find herself less judgmental after more years
Speaker 1: of life experience. She'd say, you know what, did I
Speaker 1: think that parents who sent their kids to school are selfish? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did, And then I grew up. It's all black
Speaker 1: and white when you're young. And then you know, you go,
Speaker 1: maybe sleepwalking is a victimless crime. Maybe sleepwalking is just
Speaker 1: something some struggle with Claire. You know how in court
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to just bring up new evidence during
Speaker 1: charge and sentences. I just remembered something. Yes, Vanity Fair.
Speaker 1: She's worked with Vanity Fair for years and years, right,
Speaker 1: and she does like this interview with them every three year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this part of it, and it's been I always wonder
Speaker 1: like when she did the first one, you don't know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Billie Eilish, you know, like you don't
Speaker 1: know you're going to be doing it every year. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know when you've committed to doing something ongoing
Speaker 1: and normally it's the second time you're doing it and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I regret that. Yeah, it's everyone who
Speaker 1: starts podcast. Yeah, they're just like, I didn't mean this
Speaker 1: to be always. I got excited for the first yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had energy in momentum, and now I don't want
Speaker 1: to make it look Yeah. Anyway, she came to that
Speaker 1: point from now on. In twenty twenty three, she was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it every year. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it every five years. And the reason I love this
Speaker 1: is because it's a very lazy girl move. She's a
Speaker 1: lazy girl. It's a very like she's leaning into her
Speaker 1: boundary era on my fiel, Oh my god. And if
Speaker 1: she do a Billie Eilish and it's like, we're not
Speaker 1: going to do this weekly, We're gonna do it every
Speaker 1: five weeks. So true, And I think it's part of
Speaker 1: the charge. It's like, I think young people have to
Speaker 1: learn that, like when you commit to something, you have
Speaker 1: to follow through. Okay, So you love her for that,
Speaker 1: but you also hate her for that. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: just feel like she doesn't know the value of hard work. Okay, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Billy Eilish, define wads a lesson in hard work from you?
Speaker 1: All right, my church? Yes, I articulated it slightly differently.
Speaker 1: Being young, yeah right, okay, really young. Yeah, And what
Speaker 1: we're seeing here is the chaos of you being young.
Speaker 1: I've spent some time with some young people and I
Speaker 1: sit at a table and I just go, you are
Speaker 1: Ashley mad Is you any one year old? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: they're just talking and I'm like, sh and you don't
Speaker 1: put that on the internet. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Which I'm sure is what people thought about me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm for people think about it right now? Is yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: anyone older than us says you idiots like yeah, yeah, amen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we should go to jail. Skibbity toilete skibbity toilet.
Speaker 1: That's what the young people are saying. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it means, but it's something that
Speaker 1: maybe skibbity toilet means going to the toilet eight times
Speaker 1: in a day. Oh my gosh. Maybe it came from Billy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So her crime is being young, correct, and her sentence. Okay.
Speaker 1: The problem with Billy is that the person who writes
Speaker 1: music with her is her brother, right, Finlay Finley Finley
Speaker 1: I read it him. Yes, and she's absurdly talented and
Speaker 1: he is absurdly talented, and together they are a force. Yes,
Speaker 1: and they're just doing brilliant things. Yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: because of that people have been like, there's magic there,
Speaker 1: we'll leave it alone. And therefore she doesn't have lots
Speaker 1: of layers of like, hey, Billy say less about sleepwalking.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. I did think in that interview, I went,
Speaker 1: you know how, you're at the playground and you're what
Speaker 1: she kid do something and you see them run up
Speaker 1: to someone and you're like, oh, they're about to take
Speaker 1: that toy off that baby, then wipe their snot in
Speaker 1: that baby's mouth, and then hit them on the head
Speaker 1: with the toy they stole. And you actually interject and
Speaker 1: you go, I'm actually gonna stop this. Where was her person?
Speaker 1: That's her mother was in the room. I know her
Speaker 1: mum was in the room when she was answering those things.
Speaker 1: And I was like, when my eighteen year old daughter
Speaker 1: is talking about her poop schedule to pitch for, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go We're just gonna pull out. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna pull this interview. We're gonna have a little chat. Okay,
Speaker 1: we talk about poop. You've won an academy. You're gonna
Speaker 1: win an academy, and you can say, okay, come here, billy, Billy, Billy,
Speaker 1: let's poop billy. I'm hearing you need to you go
Speaker 1: to your business, you come back. We don't talk about okay.
Speaker 1: You know how like when you're teaching your kid, it's
Speaker 1: like you need to teach someone what's inside and what's out.
Speaker 1: Yead I feel like they're still in the process she's young, Yeah,
Speaker 1: learning inside, voice outside, Yes, all of that anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I burbed like my parents, Mum still gets mad
Speaker 1: when you Yeah, when I prap in public and fair enough,
Speaker 1: if I did that in the middle of a film
Speaker 1: and interview, Mum would be so she just think it
Speaker 1: was disrespecting. Yeah, But I think the problem is that
Speaker 1: because Billy is so magical, she is surrounded by yes people, Wow,
Speaker 1: you were like, more about more, brilliant, beautiful, this interview,
Speaker 1: nailing it, you slap all of that, Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: keeps getting worse. And so what she needs is she
Speaker 1: needs and no guy. He's just gonna say, look, my
Speaker 1: job is let you go, let you go, let you go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rear you back here, all right. So she
Speaker 1: needs that guy until she passes the age of fifty
Speaker 1: five and then she can say whatever she likes. I
Speaker 1: like it because we know people of the age of
Speaker 1: fifty five are always elegant and thoughtful. Jazz Donald Trump
Speaker 1: Claire before we go Lazy Girls story. Billy Eilish's the
Speaker 1: opposite to laz I think I think so too. She
Speaker 1: sings a lot of things and writes a lot of things.
Speaker 1: With their brother I think that if you put a
Speaker 1: lazy girl on the stand, because that sort of looks
Speaker 1: like they were putting her on the stand. I think
Speaker 1: you put a lazy girl on the stand, you get
Speaker 1: her to talk. I reckon, You get forty five seconds
Speaker 1: and then she just stops and sits in the discomfort
Speaker 1: and she's like, what do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: Talk about my bowel movement. It's like, fuck, no, this
Speaker 1: is done, not Billy, I'm tired. Well, Jesse, I've got
Speaker 1: a lazy girl story for you. It's from Tracy without
Speaker 1: an E, which will become important. It's a lazy way
Speaker 1: to spell it. Okay, Yeah, Hi, Claire and Jesse love
Speaker 1: your work. I have a lazy girl story that dates
Speaker 1: back twenty six years. They're our favorite lazy girl story.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, Billie Eilish can't have a story
Speaker 1: that goes back twenty six years because she doesn't have
Speaker 1: that many years. When I got my driver's license at sixteen,
Speaker 1: the RTA now service New South Wales, we know we
Speaker 1: were the RTA days. The RTA person wrote my first
Speaker 1: name incorrectly with an E instead of Tracy as per
Speaker 1: my birth certificate. This happened to mum. Yep. I noticed
Speaker 1: at the time, but couldn't be bothered going back in
Speaker 1: just to change one letter. Yeah, and you don't want
Speaker 1: to be rude. No, didn't think it'd be an issue. Well,
Speaker 1: twenty four years later, it turns out it's very hard
Speaker 1: to get a mortgage approved if your license doesn't match
Speaker 1: your birth certificate. That's a job that's sitting on the
Speaker 1: to do list for ten to twenty years. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the problem with paperwork, honestly. And it's also I
Speaker 1: didn't change my name after marriage. I guess maybe because
Speaker 1: of like ideological reasons, but also for logistics for the paperwork. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like I'm not going in there. I haven't
Speaker 1: changed my address on my license. Last time I went
Speaker 1: to the RTA service New South Wales, I got a
Speaker 1: fucking parking fine because it was in the city and
Speaker 1: I was like the irony because I was there for
Speaker 1: so long and I didn't pay my parking. I got
Speaker 1: in trouble. I got pulled over by the police and
Speaker 1: I got in trouble because they said is this your
Speaker 1: current address? And for some reason I was honest and
Speaker 1: I said no. They said, oh, was that a problem?
Speaker 1: And they said, it's got to be your current address.
Speaker 1: They find me. I mean, I was also like speaking, whatever,
Speaker 1: what's happened to Tracy? She said? Did I go into
Speaker 1: service New South? I was, and get this fixed? I
Speaker 1: did not. I thought it would be a huge weight
Speaker 1: in line. Yes it would, it would. That's called foresight.
Speaker 1: Surely that was another way the frustrated mortgage broker was
Speaker 1: trying to get all our paperwork. Mortgage brokers all they
Speaker 1: do is ask, ask, ask. It's always like I need
Speaker 1: more from you, and I'm like, what am I paying
Speaker 1: you for it? We pay? Who's pay? Who are you?
Speaker 1: To get all our paperwork finalized quickly so we could
Speaker 1: buy our house. So he said that we would try
Speaker 1: and see if the bank would accept a statutory declaration
Speaker 1: confirming my name is Tracy. So I just signed the
Speaker 1: stat deck Where the stat deck come from? Tracy, you
Speaker 1: left that out and luckily they approved, so you never
Speaker 1: had to go. And this is the thing. Years later,
Speaker 1: I finally updated my name on my license. Took about
Speaker 1: two minutes. A Tracy, my goodness, life admin.
Speaker 5: Tick.
Speaker 1: Will I learn from this? Probably not? Thanks Tracy? Without me? Oh,
Speaker 1: I love it. I thought that Tracy was going to say,
Speaker 1: just changed the spelling. Yeah, I know, went bad. I
Speaker 1: changed my name based on the films. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go back to your birth stu wikit. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us on this episode of Canceled. The
Speaker 1: executive producer of Canceled is Kim Bradish, with audio production
Speaker 1: by Leah Porches. You can also follow us on The
Speaker 1: Twins Underscore thoughts. We share a bunch of reels behind
Speaker 1: the scenes all of those such things. And also, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll leaning back into TikTok. If you've been with us,
Speaker 1: you'll know we go through periods of hyperfixation and then
Speaker 1: we don't do anything, and then every now and then
Speaker 1: we're like, hey, guys, you've got any TikTok ideas for us,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, I don't work for you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll be back next week. Bye bye,