WEBVTT - Billie Eilish: The Most Bizarre Interview Of All Time 0:00:11.189 --> 0:00:15.109 You're listening to a Mom and mea podcast. Mom and 0:00:15.149 --> 0:00:18.469 Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that 0:00:18.549 --> 0:00:30.869 this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to Cancel, 0:00:31.029 --> 0:00:34.429 the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and as 0:00:34.469 --> 0:00:36.989 science charges and sentences to them so that we can 0:00:37.029 --> 0:00:40.109 all move on with our lives. My name is Jesse 0:00:40.229 --> 0:00:44.429 Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stevens and Claire. Today 0:00:44.549 --> 0:00:49.469 we are talking about Billie Eilish Love. 0:00:52.109 --> 0:00:55.549 Hi Mina Class, My mon Stone. 0:00:56.629 --> 0:00:59.309 I'm really flipped out by teenagers, dude, but I am 0:00:59.349 --> 0:01:01.709 one too, so I don't know. 0:01:02.349 --> 0:01:03.829 Sometimes I'll make it into a game. 0:01:03.949 --> 0:01:04.749 If they'll say something. 0:01:04.829 --> 0:01:06.549 I'll be like, oh my god, I love this thing, 0:01:06.589 --> 0:01:07.789 and they'll be like I love it too, And then 0:01:07.829 --> 0:01:10.109 immediately I'll be like, no, I hate that, and they're like, oh, 0:01:10.189 --> 0:01:12.549 I hate it too. And it's like weird that it 0:01:12.629 --> 0:01:16.229 works because it's sad, because it's like, just. 0:01:16.709 --> 0:01:19.149 Be real, like what are you doing. 0:01:19.229 --> 0:01:21.309 I don't want to talk to a clone on myself. 0:01:21.589 --> 0:01:23.869 I don't even like myself. If someone's like, oh god, 0:01:23.989 --> 0:01:26.949 you're so you fall apart so much, like you're so annoying, 0:01:26.989 --> 0:01:29.189 Like you're always fucking like sad. I'm like, I know 0:01:29.589 --> 0:01:31.429 I have to be in this bitch all the time, 0:01:31.629 --> 0:01:33.829 Like I'm aware of how annoying it is. 0:01:36.749 --> 0:01:40.229 May you please guess the middle is Billy Eilish her 0:01:40.229 --> 0:01:43.709 real name. Yeah, yep, wow, Okay, you got three seconds 0:01:43.709 --> 0:01:48.629 three two one Joe. Well, well do you mean Joe? 0:01:49.229 --> 0:01:53.749 I meant Joel. Okay, no, it's Pirate. Her full name 0:01:53.869 --> 0:01:59.389 Pirate is in as in the criminal. Her full name 0:01:59.949 --> 0:02:04.549 is Billy Eilish, Pirate Beard O'Connell. Okay, okay, Well, technically 0:02:04.669 --> 0:02:06.989 pirate is the middle name because you're right in the middle. Well, no, 0:02:07.029 --> 0:02:11.189 i'd say Eilish. Well, then what's pirate? It's her confirmation 0:02:12.269 --> 0:02:15.709 she's nacked up to Saint Pirates. Yeah, oh the rough sea. Yeah, 0:02:16.749 --> 0:02:19.149 it's for when your boat gets crashed, you pray to 0:02:19.189 --> 0:02:23.109 Saint Pirate. I'm just thinking how as an adult, pirates 0:02:23.269 --> 0:02:27.069 come up enough, and Pirates are really fun because and 0:02:27.109 --> 0:02:32.389 this is the reason they're just telling Captain Philip Captain Phillip, sir, Yes, 0:02:32.429 --> 0:02:36.149 I watched it recently. Yeah, can confirm still a brilliant film. Well, 0:02:36.469 --> 0:02:39.389 what I will say is Pirates should come up more 0:02:39.429 --> 0:02:42.309 because pirates are real. They are real, and it's like 0:02:42.309 --> 0:02:44.589 they don't bear much of resemblance to the pirates and 0:02:44.669 --> 0:02:46.869 children's books, which are fun because it's like walking the 0:02:46.909 --> 0:02:49.829 plank and like they have a hook an Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:02:49.869 --> 0:02:52.829 but still I still think sea criminals are an interesting 0:02:52.869 --> 0:02:55.149 brand of criminals. I do too that we don't talk 0:02:55.189 --> 0:02:56.589 about it enough because I'm always like, how do you 0:02:56.589 --> 0:02:58.309 bought the boat? Because it's like, don't they just not 0:02:58.429 --> 0:03:00.029 let you on the boat. No, because they get these 0:03:00.069 --> 0:03:02.909 ladders you see. And Captain Pilott. She was born in 0:03:02.989 --> 0:03:06.989 two thousand and eleven. I hate which makes her four 0:03:07.909 --> 0:03:12.469 years old. She rose to twenty. She was not born 0:03:12.469 --> 0:03:16.429 in twenty eleven. Fuck, you know, I'm just like sick 0:03:16.429 --> 0:03:20.029 when it comes to number. It was two thousand and one, correct, Yeah, 0:03:20.029 --> 0:03:26.549 because twenty eleven she'd be thirteen, which is thirty. Yeah. 0:03:27.069 --> 0:03:27.229 No. 0:03:27.309 --> 0:03:30.029 She was born in two thousand and one, one year 0:03:30.589 --> 0:03:34.149 after the Sydney Olympic Games. She rose to fame in 0:03:34.229 --> 0:03:37.589 twenty fifteen. She was fourteen years old, and she rose 0:03:37.589 --> 0:03:53.389 to fame with Ocean Eyes. Since then, she sung the 0:03:53.389 --> 0:03:56.549 theme song for James Bond and for Barbie. She won 0:03:56.589 --> 0:04:01.029 the Academy Award for both name and award. She's won it. 0:04:01.469 --> 0:04:04.069 She's in the Guinness Book of World Records. Hold on, 0:04:04.189 --> 0:04:06.909 you didn't give me a chance? Oh name an award 0:04:07.349 --> 0:04:13.509 an Aria. I wouldn't be surprised. She doesn't want that, 0:04:13.589 --> 0:04:17.029 long doesn't want it. She's in the Guinness Book of 0:04:17.029 --> 0:04:19.029 World Records. And then I went, I wonder what she's 0:04:19.069 --> 0:04:20.509 in the Guinness Book of World Records for? And then 0:04:20.549 --> 0:04:22.509 I didn't google it, but instead I got stuck in 0:04:22.549 --> 0:04:26.949 a rabbit hole of Remember how in two thousand the 0:04:26.989 --> 0:04:29.669 Guinness Book of World Records was obsessed with how far 0:04:30.229 --> 0:04:32.389 you could pop your eyeballs out of bed? That was 0:04:32.429 --> 0:04:34.989 on the cover. That was on the cover, Like imagine 0:04:35.029 --> 0:04:38.149 if she was in there for something really not related, 0:04:38.389 --> 0:04:41.789 not related, like oh, she's actually consumed the most big 0:04:41.829 --> 0:04:44.829 max in a lifetime, or she can do a good 0:04:44.869 --> 0:04:47.029 ten point five centimeters with the eyeballs. And every time 0:04:47.069 --> 0:04:49.909 they did it, I went, don't it's not good because 0:04:49.909 --> 0:04:51.829 it popped them out. I know the retina's going to 0:04:51.829 --> 0:04:54.229 detach her. It's not worth it for a record. Yeah, 0:04:54.229 --> 0:04:56.669 and I shouldn't do that. I remember looking at that 0:04:56.749 --> 0:04:58.829 and thinking, I wonder if I can do that if 0:04:58.869 --> 0:05:01.709 I tried, I'm too scared to try. Yeah, I don't 0:05:01.749 --> 0:05:04.389 need the record. Yeah, look that was all in two thousand. 0:05:04.429 --> 0:05:10.549 She wouldn't remember. She was only one anyway. No, when 0:05:10.549 --> 0:05:15.949 she wasn't formed, you're so bad at mad. I don't 0:05:15.989 --> 0:05:20.109 know when she was born old, she was gestation. She 0:05:20.229 --> 0:05:23.949 was either gest dating or she was an a testicle. Yeah. Anyway, 0:05:24.309 --> 0:05:27.389 just because her frontal lobe isn't fully developed yet doesn't 0:05:27.389 --> 0:05:29.669 mean that she hasn't been canceled a number of times. 0:05:30.029 --> 0:05:33.629 My structure for today is as follows, calling people who 0:05:33.749 --> 0:05:38.629 sleep walk creepy, don't laugh, people who sleep walk are 0:05:38.629 --> 0:05:41.589 really upset, being mean to men who are ugly looking, 0:05:41.749 --> 0:05:45.749 oh no, having some feedback for rap music, a racist slur, 0:05:46.189 --> 0:05:51.109 queer baiting, and a weird, gross and also wrong Halloween costume. 0:05:51.189 --> 0:05:55.229 Oh no. Firstly, calling people who sleep walk creepy a 0:05:55.349 --> 0:06:00.509 tale as old as time. In twenty nineteen, Billie Eilish 0:06:00.589 --> 0:06:04.229 was interviewed by Pitchfork, and I'm going to play you 0:06:04.509 --> 0:06:08.189 an excerpt of what she said in this interview. I 0:06:08.189 --> 0:06:13.029 don't sleep walk. Shit is terrifying. That's terrifying. 0:06:13.349 --> 0:06:15.749 And then there's like stories about people like waking up 0:06:15.789 --> 0:06:20.629 with like a knife, like over someone and they don't 0:06:20.669 --> 0:06:25.549 remember it. Okay, Oh sleepwalking, Oh sleep bark That shit 0:06:25.629 --> 0:06:27.109 is creepy. Tie yourself to your bed. 0:06:27.109 --> 0:06:29.669 I don't care. Do some bondage on yourself. I don't care. Claire, 0:06:29.709 --> 0:06:33.589 this interview, which appears to have very few questions, is 0:06:33.629 --> 0:06:37.069 ten minutes long. And is it just an eighteen year 0:06:37.109 --> 0:06:42.789 old running her mouth on thoughts. It's Billy Eilish musing 0:06:43.909 --> 0:06:48.349 about sleep barbing everything you can possibly imagine. I've never 0:06:48.389 --> 0:06:51.029 heard anything like it. She does say sleepwalking is creepy, 0:06:51.509 --> 0:06:54.189 which is what seems to happen when you just sit 0:06:54.269 --> 0:06:56.589 someone in front of a camera and demand they speak 0:06:56.629 --> 0:07:00.829 indefinitely the weird things I would say if given free 0:07:00.869 --> 0:07:03.189 rein the weird places, because you know you're in a 0:07:03.189 --> 0:07:05.989 conversation sometimes with someone quiet or who hasn't given you anything. 0:07:06.069 --> 0:07:07.949 Oh you go weird, and you go weird to fill 0:07:07.949 --> 0:07:10.349 the silence. And then you're like, I don't even think that. No, 0:07:10.829 --> 0:07:12.629 I don't think she thinks sleepwalking is creepy. I just 0:07:12.709 --> 0:07:15.029 think she ran out of things to say. But on 0:07:15.189 --> 0:07:19.589 that sleepwalking is creepy, it is that's not offensive to 0:07:19.589 --> 0:07:24.309 people with sleepwalk. That's offensive to sleepwalking, and sleepwalking isn't offended. 0:07:24.469 --> 0:07:28.549 If it is, that's creepy, that is creepy. And in fact, 0:07:28.989 --> 0:07:31.229 she says that if you sleepwalk, you should like tie 0:07:31.269 --> 0:07:34.189 yourself to the bed or something so you don't sleepwalk. Yeah, great, 0:07:35.549 --> 0:07:37.869 we should. We should live in a Billie Eilish for 0:07:37.949 --> 0:07:40.629 more solutions from more solutions to life, because when you 0:07:40.669 --> 0:07:42.789 are that age, you have a lot of time to 0:07:43.269 --> 0:07:46.269 problem and solve. Yeah, when you're kind of older and like, 0:07:46.629 --> 0:07:48.069 I don't know, let's say you've got a bunch of 0:07:48.149 --> 0:07:49.669 kids and like you've got a full time job, you 0:07:49.709 --> 0:07:53.549 don't have time to solve sleepwalking. No, you just kind 0:07:53.589 --> 0:07:55.709 of do it and find yourself with a knife over 0:07:55.709 --> 0:07:57.949 your partner going, I've really got to get this sorted 0:07:58.269 --> 0:08:02.669 for ten years. And sleepwalking, it shouldn't happen when you're sleeping. 0:08:02.709 --> 0:08:05.989 You should be lying down in bed, not walking around. 0:08:06.789 --> 0:08:11.589 True or false? Okay, I said to mom recently, I 0:08:11.669 --> 0:08:15.629 remembered that when we were little. She told me. When 0:08:15.669 --> 0:08:17.589 I was like five, I said, I want to sleep 0:08:17.869 --> 0:08:20.269 in my shoes because that's the kind of weird thing 0:08:20.269 --> 0:08:23.509 a kid says. And Mom said, if you sleep in shoes, 0:08:23.709 --> 0:08:26.349 you will sleep walk. And I said to her the 0:08:26.389 --> 0:08:30.269 other day, I think I've believed that until now. I 0:08:30.309 --> 0:08:31.869 want one hundred percent believe that if I were to 0:08:31.869 --> 0:08:34.869 sleep in my shoes, I'd walk around my house potentially 0:08:34.909 --> 0:08:38.069 the block. And I have no evidence that that wouldn't happen, 0:08:38.149 --> 0:08:40.829 because it's like, in my head it was like, oh yeah, 0:08:40.909 --> 0:08:45.509 because your body's like kind of primed, walk here. It 0:08:45.589 --> 0:08:48.349 makes total sense. Yeah, why do people who said, well, 0:08:48.429 --> 0:08:52.429 just take their shoes off so stupid? Later in the interview, 0:08:52.469 --> 0:08:54.749 she says parents who send their kids to school are 0:08:54.949 --> 0:08:57.869 I quote lazy as fuck because they're like, and I 0:08:57.949 --> 0:09:00.829 quote I don't want to teach you, bitch. For context, 0:09:01.269 --> 0:09:04.429 Eilish was homeschool She's never been to school, and she 0:09:04.509 --> 0:09:07.349 said she learned maths from cooking with her mum, and 0:09:07.429 --> 0:09:10.629 she learned how to build shit from her dad. I'm 0:09:10.669 --> 0:09:12.709 not in the business of canceling people, but if I 0:09:12.749 --> 0:09:15.269 was going to comment on one element of this interview, 0:09:15.629 --> 0:09:17.429 I think would be the time that she called all 0:09:17.509 --> 0:09:20.749 parents lazy as fun her kids to school to learn. 0:09:20.949 --> 0:09:24.629 That's interesting because it's like, okay, Billie Eilish, if you 0:09:24.709 --> 0:09:28.629 wanted to have kids in a decade. Are you prepared 0:09:28.909 --> 0:09:31.749 to not do anything else because you're just homeschooling them. 0:09:31.949 --> 0:09:33.989 I didn't want to homeschool my children. I don't have 0:09:34.269 --> 0:09:38.149 enough of the knowledge. No, sounds like a nightmare. Anyway. 0:09:38.349 --> 0:09:40.789 I loved this YouTube comment that read, I feel like 0:09:40.829 --> 0:09:44.189 whenever she talks, it's like she's having a conversation with herself. Yes, 0:09:44.229 --> 0:09:46.509 because no one will ask a requestion no, and no 0:09:46.549 --> 0:09:48.629 one gives her anything no. So I'm listening to it 0:09:48.629 --> 0:09:50.589 and I'm like, she's trying to crack a joke here. Yeah, 0:09:50.749 --> 0:09:52.949 apparently her mom's there because she keeps referring to her mum, 0:09:53.029 --> 0:09:55.189 being like, mom, I slept talk once, didn't I. But 0:09:55.229 --> 0:09:57.149 her mum's not giving her a shit. So she's just 0:09:57.309 --> 0:10:02.029 lit up on a stool talking knowing her onto the 0:10:02.109 --> 0:10:06.389 topic of sleep. It's not usually wait interviews, Claire. I 0:10:06.429 --> 0:10:08.189 don't know how to be clear, they're in no question. 0:10:08.869 --> 0:10:11.389 The thing about she talks like having conversation with herself 0:10:11.789 --> 0:10:14.789 is the most accurate description of a press tour I've 0:10:14.789 --> 0:10:17.509 ever heard, because I feel like journalists just go go 0:10:17.909 --> 0:10:21.909 say the weirdest shit you can possibly think up and 0:10:21.949 --> 0:10:27.949 then Billie Eilish is like, pooping is underrated. That's a quote. Okay, 0:10:27.949 --> 0:10:32.429 why does it happen specifically with music like musicians, it's 0:10:32.469 --> 0:10:35.389 like no one knows what to ask. No, that's nothing 0:10:35.629 --> 0:10:38.709 like I've interviewed musicians. Yeah, this is the thing. If 0:10:38.709 --> 0:10:41.069 they have a story, yes, but most of the time 0:10:41.109 --> 0:10:44.189 they just wrote an album. Yeah, they wrote music and 0:10:44.229 --> 0:10:47.149 then they sit they didn't or they didn't They just sing, 0:10:47.309 --> 0:10:50.949 and it's like, how does it feel to sing? Like 0:10:51.069 --> 0:10:54.749 there's no questions Anyway, she did say pooping is underrated, 0:10:55.229 --> 0:10:57.229 and she said that they hold on day hold on. 0:10:57.989 --> 0:11:01.989 I agree, Well, like she's quite I think the wisdom 0:11:02.149 --> 0:11:04.709 is using. There was one day where she pooped eight 0:11:04.749 --> 0:11:06.869 times and it was one of the best days of 0:11:06.909 --> 0:11:08.949 her life. Okay, you know he can run. And she said, 0:11:09.029 --> 0:11:11.429 I was pooping dead at and it was good poops. 0:11:11.829 --> 0:11:15.309 One billion percent underrated. Pooping is my favorite part of 0:11:15.349 --> 0:11:17.509 the day. There was one day I pooped eight times. 0:11:18.629 --> 0:11:21.189 That was the best day of my life. And they 0:11:21.189 --> 0:11:24.949 were all solid good poops too, like no, like bullshit poops. 0:11:24.989 --> 0:11:27.509 You know what I'm saying. I wasn't like I'm done. 0:11:27.629 --> 0:11:29.749 And she said, if you don't enjoy pooping. And this 0:11:29.789 --> 0:11:33.149 is when she gets a ted talk. She gets a 0:11:33.269 --> 0:11:35.029 little bit on our high horse, and she gets a 0:11:35.029 --> 0:11:37.309 bit luxury. And she said, if you don't enjoy pooping 0:11:37.749 --> 0:11:40.749 because you're eating shit, Oh cat, I'm not the one 0:11:40.829 --> 0:11:43.389 pooping eight times in a day, am I? You had 0:11:43.429 --> 0:11:46.509 gastro all right? You know you can relate to the 0:11:46.509 --> 0:11:49.109 pooping eight times in a day? Who my little eight 0:11:49.109 --> 0:11:52.229 month old? But yeah, a day like that recently, well 0:11:52.269 --> 0:11:54.909 she said. Then she riffed on babies for a while, 0:11:54.989 --> 0:11:57.669 and she said babies like me because I am one 0:11:57.669 --> 0:11:59.309 of them or something. And then someone was like, this 0:11:59.349 --> 0:12:02.029 is just a line lifted from the office, and I 0:12:02.069 --> 0:12:04.629 was like, well, yeah, she's talking for ten minutes straight 0:12:05.349 --> 0:12:08.149 and she's eighteen. What she got to say. She's gonna 0:12:08.149 --> 0:12:10.949 say things that you saw on TV. Babies are drawn 0:12:10.989 --> 0:12:13.309 to me, and I think it's because they see me 0:12:13.429 --> 0:12:15.109 as one of them, but. 0:12:15.669 --> 0:12:18.629 Cooler and with my life put together a little bit. 0:12:18.869 --> 0:12:22.549 At one stage, she pauses and she burps unto. So 0:12:23.869 --> 0:12:29.709 that's when you've given somebody too much rope. You've given 0:12:29.749 --> 0:12:32.669 them just like I did that out too much to 0:12:32.709 --> 0:12:36.509 just do whatever. This brings us to the other controversial 0:12:36.549 --> 0:12:38.669 thing that she said in what I now referred to 0:12:38.669 --> 0:12:40.989 as a never ending interviews, since it's all the same 0:12:41.029 --> 0:12:45.389 interviews being mean to men who happen to be ugly looking. Claire, 0:12:45.789 --> 0:12:48.389 I would like you to listen to Billy's musings. 0:12:48.309 --> 0:12:53.469 Prom ew It's where the most beautiful girls get asked 0:12:53.469 --> 0:12:55.989 by the worst dudes to prom and they're like fuck 0:12:56.429 --> 0:13:00.909 because they finally found someone that likes them. Why is 0:13:00.949 --> 0:13:03.309 every pretty girl with a horrible looking man? 0:13:03.549 --> 0:13:04.309 Don't understand? 0:13:04.989 --> 0:13:08.309 Listen, I'm not shaming people for their looks, but I am. Though. 0:13:08.749 --> 0:13:10.629 You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he 0:13:10.749 --> 0:13:13.789 rules the world. I swear to God, because they got 0:13:13.829 --> 0:13:16.349 a hot girl, they can be horrible Like you're still 0:13:16.429 --> 0:13:18.869 ugly though, can't change that. 0:13:18.949 --> 0:13:19.629 Maybe that's why. 0:13:20.309 --> 0:13:22.589 Maybe that's like why like guys with small dicks get 0:13:22.629 --> 0:13:25.389 like huge mansions to make up for it, you know, 0:13:25.989 --> 0:13:27.629 or like like really nice cars. 0:13:28.949 --> 0:13:31.469 Would you like to hear her talk for another Okay, 0:13:31.589 --> 0:13:34.669 seventeen minutes about this point. That isn't entirely fully formed. 0:13:34.749 --> 0:13:38.509 It's got no music, it's got no it's nothing. It's 0:13:38.709 --> 0:13:41.789 just making a step. I know what you mean that 0:13:41.789 --> 0:13:45.309 she's not getting anything back. So usually when you're interviewed, 0:13:45.349 --> 0:13:48.269 somebody answers something, there's a full stop and you go, Okay, 0:13:48.349 --> 0:13:50.549 that's that's wrapped up, and then you keep going. Yeah, 0:13:50.589 --> 0:13:52.909 if it was a never ending answer, it's going to 0:13:53.029 --> 0:13:56.149 go to weird places. Do you think she's got a point? 0:13:56.349 --> 0:13:59.669 Do you think that hot girls end up with ugly 0:13:59.709 --> 0:14:01.989 guys and then ugly guys think they're awesome and they're 0:14:01.989 --> 0:14:05.389 mean to hot girls. It's called philosophies. I don't think. 0:14:05.469 --> 0:14:08.349 It's not something I worry about, all right, It's not 0:14:08.389 --> 0:14:11.589 something I think about that much. Well, Claire, if there 0:14:11.669 --> 0:14:13.989 is one group you cannot criticize on the internet, it's 0:14:14.069 --> 0:14:16.709 ugly guy. It's ugly man. Yeah, because they're there, they're waiting. 0:14:16.869 --> 0:14:19.869 They're like, I have been on the internet for sixteen 0:14:19.949 --> 0:14:24.869 hours today and you, little lady, have offended me. And 0:14:24.909 --> 0:14:27.349 you came up on my YouTube. And because I had 0:14:27.389 --> 0:14:30.149 nowhere Betty to be, I watched this whole thing, a 0:14:30.229 --> 0:14:34.949 weird interview, but you offended me. Well, some people got 0:14:35.069 --> 0:14:37.709 very mad because they saw the comments as shallow and 0:14:37.749 --> 0:14:40.509 shaming men for their looks. They argued there was a 0:14:40.549 --> 0:14:43.349 double standard because Eilish had talked in the past about 0:14:43.349 --> 0:14:45.789 being a victim of body shaming, and she's a champion 0:14:45.869 --> 0:14:49.589 of body positivity. One comment read she basically said, no 0:14:49.709 --> 0:14:52.309 guy deserves a good looking partner if he's ugly, because 0:14:52.389 --> 0:14:55.149 every ugly guy is a bad person to all that 0:14:55.949 --> 0:14:58.389 I know. Can you even paraphrase what she said? When 0:14:58.429 --> 0:15:01.029 it's just I just think my defense is it's going 0:15:01.069 --> 0:15:04.109 to be repeated over and over again. And she's eighteen, Yeah, 0:15:04.149 --> 0:15:06.669 and nothing makes sense. Name an eighteen year old who 0:15:06.709 --> 0:15:11.709 isn't shallow? Yeah, like what she's got like a perspective, 0:15:12.709 --> 0:15:14.869 I don't know even think she claims to. She was 0:15:14.909 --> 0:15:17.909 also talking about it in the context of prom and 0:15:17.949 --> 0:15:21.709 may I just say there is something funny about school 0:15:21.789 --> 0:15:26.389 formal slash proms whatever, because the girls have spray t habs, 0:15:27.309 --> 0:15:30.909 make up, false eyelashes, they have their hair done, They 0:15:30.909 --> 0:15:33.509 are wearing a ball gown that their mum got them 0:15:33.789 --> 0:15:39.029 from Westfield on sale and it's satin and they look 0:15:39.189 --> 0:15:43.469 twenty five yeah and beautiful. And little Harry over here 0:15:43.949 --> 0:15:45.789 is wearing a two big suit that mum bought him 0:15:46.349 --> 0:15:50.669 from tyro Cash. No he hired, he hired, which means 0:15:50.709 --> 0:15:52.029 he couldn't get it turned and I originally got his 0:15:52.069 --> 0:15:54.949 shoes from pay less. He did get his shoes from payless. 0:15:55.749 --> 0:15:57.509 He's not wearing a cologne. He didn't even bother with 0:15:57.549 --> 0:15:59.829 a cologne. Didn't have to shave. He's got my facial hair. 0:15:59.869 --> 0:16:03.949 He's brushed his hair, but it looks worse. And if 0:16:03.949 --> 0:16:07.229 he's feeling special, he did ask to get his top 0:16:07.269 --> 0:16:11.589 braces removed today today for the UK new color. Yeah, 0:16:11.629 --> 0:16:13.949 he said, I'll get black for the formal. Yeah, it 0:16:14.069 --> 0:16:17.509 is black ties. I'll get black elastics. He might be 0:16:17.549 --> 0:16:21.389 wearing a jaunty sock to mark the occasion. But the 0:16:21.469 --> 0:16:27.149 photos are ridiculous. They really go to show socialization, socialization, 0:16:27.229 --> 0:16:28.989 and we as a culture don't laugh at them enough. 0:16:29.549 --> 0:16:33.469 We are so brainwashed into thinking that it's normal that 0:16:33.549 --> 0:16:38.309 his suit doesn't fit, denying it. He looks fourteen years old. 0:16:38.669 --> 0:16:42.189 He would rather be playing any video game than being here. 0:16:42.789 --> 0:16:47.069 That woman looks like she has four children at home. 0:16:47.869 --> 0:16:50.869 She looks like she's lived a life, she's spent She's 0:16:50.909 --> 0:16:53.589 spent a sickening amount of a thousand bucks. She doesn't 0:16:53.589 --> 0:16:58.269 have a family. Doesn't have to look like miss Universe. Yeah, 0:16:58.309 --> 0:17:01.629 and yeah, he does not look great. Next to her 0:17:02.669 --> 0:17:06.069 because of the amount of effort she's put in. I 0:17:06.189 --> 0:17:09.149 will say what I don't understand about Billie Eilish making 0:17:09.189 --> 0:17:12.109 this point is she never went to prom Christian She 0:17:12.189 --> 0:17:15.789 never went to prom. I don't really understand homeschool. I'm 0:17:15.829 --> 0:17:20.549 a bit like, what is your socialization? Yeah, it's genuinely confusing. 0:17:21.149 --> 0:17:22.389 I don't know, because like if you ever been to 0:17:22.429 --> 0:17:24.549 a prom, I don't think so. Anyway, I'm going to 0:17:24.669 --> 0:17:28.149 jump forward to November two, twenty twenty three, when the 0:17:28.149 --> 0:17:31.469 then twenty one year old singer was interviewed as part 0:17:31.509 --> 0:17:35.109 of Variety's Power of Women issue Oh Yes, I Love These. 0:17:35.229 --> 0:17:38.429 Eilish reflected on the scrutiny she received after wearing a 0:17:38.469 --> 0:17:40.909 tank top in public in twenty sixteen. Do you remember this. 0:17:41.869 --> 0:17:43.909 It's up a beige tank top and there were pat 0:17:43.949 --> 0:17:46.909 pictures and every tabloid in the world had a comment 0:17:47.149 --> 0:17:49.589 to make at the time. Because she was mostly seen 0:17:49.629 --> 0:17:53.189 in sort of baggy jumpers and baggy pants, the tabloids 0:17:53.189 --> 0:17:55.669 took this opportunity to say things like good for her 0:17:55.709 --> 0:17:59.149 for feeling comfortable in her bigger skin, or Billie Eilish 0:17:59.189 --> 0:18:05.229 looks unrecognizable. You know when the tabloids are like, we're 0:18:05.229 --> 0:18:08.429 not saying anything, We're just showing you these pictures and 0:18:08.469 --> 0:18:10.669 saying she's brave and inspiring for the leaving the house 0:18:10.749 --> 0:18:15.109 like that. Okay, Billy was sixteen years old. This is 0:18:15.149 --> 0:18:17.789 what she told Variety. Nobody ever says a thing about 0:18:17.869 --> 0:18:21.429 men's bodies. If you're muscular, cool, if you're not cool, 0:18:21.589 --> 0:18:23.709 if you're rail thin, cool, if you have a dad 0:18:23.749 --> 0:18:26.829 bod cool, if your pudgy love it. Everybody's happy with it. 0:18:26.989 --> 0:18:29.709 You know why, because girls are nice. They don't give 0:18:29.709 --> 0:18:32.189 a fuck, because we see people for who they are. 0:18:33.029 --> 0:18:35.749 The clip about the ugly men resurfaced and the Internet 0:18:35.789 --> 0:18:38.189 had a field day. Here was some of the commentary. 0:18:38.549 --> 0:18:41.309 We got a whole generation of men with serious image 0:18:41.309 --> 0:18:45.069 issues in the gym constantly. Someone said, I totally disagree. 0:18:45.109 --> 0:18:48.109 Short guys face a lot. Someone said, this is false 0:18:48.109 --> 0:18:51.309 and little tone deaf men receive criticism all the time 0:18:51.349 --> 0:18:55.549 for their bodies, Claire, do they? Well? I guess my 0:18:55.709 --> 0:18:59.669 thing is, I'm shocked that somebody in the early twenties 0:19:00.389 --> 0:19:05.029 is hypocritical, like, not entirely consistent with what I don't think. 0:19:05.029 --> 0:19:08.869 The brain, the part that's responsible for consistency has developed, 0:19:08.909 --> 0:19:11.949 has developed yet. Yeah, I know, I will say that 0:19:12.029 --> 0:19:14.789 there is no way that if Billy was a young 0:19:14.869 --> 0:19:18.589 male star, think like a Justin biebar Timothy Challow May. 0:19:19.269 --> 0:19:21.589 I've never heard a comment on any of those men's bodies. 0:19:21.789 --> 0:19:24.389 And there is not a woman from Sidney Sweeney to 0:19:24.709 --> 0:19:30.509 Zendeya to whoever who has escaped comment and it's different commentary. 0:19:30.549 --> 0:19:32.909 The commentary is different. And just the fact that you're 0:19:32.949 --> 0:19:35.749 allowed to be a man in just like a comfortable 0:19:35.789 --> 0:19:39.069 body in just an average comfortable body, and you're entitled 0:19:39.069 --> 0:19:41.749 to be there. That's radical if you're a woman. Yeah, 0:19:41.749 --> 0:19:43.709 all women kind of have to have the same body 0:19:44.229 --> 0:19:45.989 and if you don't have that body, then you don't 0:19:45.989 --> 0:19:47.949 get a job. Yeah, Like they are sort of the 0:19:48.029 --> 0:19:50.509 Joni Hills, and he's talked about that, and it's like 0:19:50.549 --> 0:19:52.229 a really valid point, but it's just not to the 0:19:52.269 --> 0:19:55.309 same extent. Also because you know how she kind of 0:19:55.309 --> 0:19:56.949 makes a point that I'm like, yeah, I see what 0:19:56.989 --> 0:19:59.829 you're saying, but then she tries to ted talk it. Yeah, 0:20:00.029 --> 0:20:02.589 she says, because girls are nice, they don't give a fuck, 0:20:02.629 --> 0:20:05.029 because we see people for who they are. It's like, hmm, No, 0:20:05.069 --> 0:20:10.349 it's more complicated than that because internalized misogyny. Patriarchy, yeah, patriarchy. Yeah, 0:20:10.349 --> 0:20:12.669 but she wouldn't have learn that word yet. No, she 0:20:12.709 --> 0:20:25.189 didn't go to school. No, having some feedback for rap music. 0:20:26.269 --> 0:20:29.029 It's twenty twenty and someone has put a microphone in 0:20:29.029 --> 0:20:30.949 front of an eighteen year old again, and they're refusing 0:20:30.949 --> 0:20:34.669 to ask a question. No, Jessie, and you better believe 0:20:34.869 --> 0:20:37.949 that Billie Eilish understands the assignment. Okay, she's gonna say 0:20:37.949 --> 0:20:41.109 something weird and controversial. She's speaking to Vogue and she's 0:20:41.149 --> 0:20:44.709 reflecting on how there's a difference between her music and 0:20:44.789 --> 0:20:47.229 the worker other artists put out, which I feel like 0:20:47.589 --> 0:20:49.949 is a dut point and like the talking points of 0:20:49.989 --> 0:20:53.749 every artist. Yeah, yeap. My manager, they're publicist or whatever, 0:20:53.829 --> 0:20:56.229 is like heires some talking points. This meant a lot 0:20:56.269 --> 0:20:59.349 to me. I'm sharing a new part of myself. My 0:20:59.429 --> 0:21:03.229 music is different to other people's music. That's it. She said. 0:21:03.669 --> 0:21:06.149 There's a difference between lying in a song and writing 0:21:06.149 --> 0:21:08.509 a story. There are tons of songs where people are 0:21:08.549 --> 0:21:11.269 just lying. There's a lot of in rap right now 0:21:11.429 --> 0:21:14.149 from people that I know who rap. It's like I 0:21:14.189 --> 0:21:17.789 got my AK forty seven and I'm fucking' and I'm like, what, 0:21:18.029 --> 0:21:20.469 you don't have a gun and all my bitches, I'm like, 0:21:20.629 --> 0:21:24.629 which bitches? That's posturing and that's not what I'm doing. Claire, 0:21:24.629 --> 0:21:26.589 What do you think of that comment? On the one hand, 0:21:27.149 --> 0:21:30.589 I agree that there's a lot of rap music I 0:21:30.629 --> 0:21:33.909 listen to. Sorry, there's not a lot of rap music. 0:21:33.909 --> 0:21:36.469 I don't really know it, but whenever I've listened to 0:21:36.549 --> 0:21:40.269 rap music, I have thought, there's no way this incredibly wealthy, 0:21:40.749 --> 0:21:45.389 successful artist who's rapping about being from the hood, I 0:21:45.389 --> 0:21:47.869 don't think his life actually looks like that anymore. Yeah, 0:21:47.909 --> 0:21:51.069 so that's one part. The second party is I think 0:21:51.109 --> 0:21:56.549 a lot of them probably do have guns and bitches. 0:21:56.949 --> 0:22:00.429 That's actually true. Some people saw this as Billy dismissing 0:22:00.509 --> 0:22:03.709 rap music as raally genuine and authentic, which is not 0:22:04.029 --> 0:22:07.309 what I heard. But I cannot stress this enough. Her 0:22:07.429 --> 0:22:09.949 fan base are on the internet a lot. They have 0:22:09.989 --> 0:22:12.509 a lot of free time, so they defend her when 0:22:12.549 --> 0:22:15.389 people no. No, the opposite. They have a lot of 0:22:15.429 --> 0:22:19.189 time to feel offense, to broadcast got it, to fight 0:22:19.309 --> 0:22:22.029 with others in the comments, a back seat offense, fight 0:22:22.109 --> 0:22:25.989