Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mom and Maya
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Speaker 2: I am pregnanty.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Hello Bump.
Speaker 1: We're making pregnancy less overwhelming and more manageable.
Speaker 3: I'm Grace Ruefrey.
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant for the first time, and I've officially hit
Speaker 1: the second trimester, which is where I have been promised
Speaker 1: that everything gets better.
Speaker 2: I'mianta Pittman. I'm a formerly big athlete, I'm a mother
Speaker 2: of six, and I'm now an obstetric trainee.
Speaker 1: Each week, Yanna and I will be holding your hand
Speaker 1: week by week through the mysterious, perplexing and sometimes quite
Speaker 1: annoying miracle pregnancy.
Speaker 3: Week thirteen And what.
Speaker 1: Size is our baby in the first week of the
Speaker 1: second trimester?
Speaker 3: Well, still with fruit. We gotta go with a kiwi fruit.
Speaker 2: But as you say, it is a pig milestone make
Speaker 2: it into that second semester.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a mini cactus medicatus, a minisucculent.
Speaker 2: Small cat of corn, like those little tiny ones about Yeah,
Speaker 2: a army. These days, I've seen a lot more of
Speaker 2: those kind of fancy beans.
Speaker 1: But and how have they developed. What's happening in this
Speaker 1: first week at the second track, Mistim, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to go with something fun. They can now suck
Speaker 2: their thumb or form a fist.
Speaker 1: I think I'm swear so cay because their fingers aren't
Speaker 1: webbed anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think they're still I don't actually if
Speaker 2: they've still got some webbing maybe the base of the finger,
Speaker 2: but they're certainly making that sort of motion to go
Speaker 2: up towards their mouth, which I think is quite cute. Babies,
Speaker 2: testes and ovaries are now fully developed already at thirteen weeks,
Speaker 2: so they've still got to move along way. So the boys'
Speaker 2: tests have to drop down like descend outside, but their
Speaker 2: actual the components of the testicles are there and present.
Speaker 2: This remember how we talked about the umbilicalle I still
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm sorry when full is made, but this
Speaker 2: is the way the intestines actually go back into their
Speaker 2: proper place. So initially, if you were looking at notes saying,
Speaker 2: you'd actually see the babies and testlines outside of its body,
Speaker 2: and then it does multiple rotations and goes back inside
Speaker 2: to albi housed like a slinky. Yeah a little bit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't of it. Look would look very nice on
Speaker 2: an option, but I've never really seen it.
Speaker 1: So, but can you see it as that small stage?
Speaker 2: I think it looks like a blob, yeah, and the
Speaker 2: abdom looks round and big so and the last ones
Speaker 2: the baby's vocal cords are starting to form, not that
Speaker 2: they're gonna make any noises for a while, but that's
Speaker 2: when when you're, you know, six weeks into it, when
Speaker 2: the baby's born and that are not shut up. You
Speaker 2: can know that from it's been in development since thirteen weeks.
Speaker 3: What happened? What's happening to me? What's happening with my body?
Speaker 2: Your ligaments is now stretching, so you're quite commonly feeling
Speaker 2: that sort of around ligament pain instead abdominal and groin pain.
Speaker 2: I think at some point we'll talk about when the
Speaker 2: red flags of that sort of pain need to develop,
Speaker 2: because things like appendicide still happen, even a very intortion
Speaker 2: still happens. That's where you're overy twists. So there's lots
Speaker 2: of little things we need to think about. But at
Speaker 2: this point, ninety percent of the time pain is related
Speaker 2: to those ligaments stretching, and you might see that dark
Speaker 2: line forming on your belly from your pivotpone, which usually
Speaker 2: goes away out pregnancy.
Speaker 3: By the way, is does everyone get that? I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't. I feel like stretch marks. Some do, some don't. Oh,
Speaker 3: you cannot get stretch marks.
Speaker 2: I do not want to have all the women on
Speaker 2: this podcast to hate me. But I still haven't got
Speaker 2: stretch marks after all those breaks.
Speaker 1: Isn't the so with the line stretch marks and the
Speaker 1: belly button popping.
Speaker 2: You've got that still still and then I really want
Speaker 2: to dedicate an episode to it later. And I had
Speaker 2: the worst volvo varicosis because I had testicles down there.
Speaker 2: So I think it's okay that I got my stretch marks.
Speaker 3: What is it? Highlight though everybody's body is different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you've just said some terrifying things that
Speaker 1: we'll get too. Is this normal?
Speaker 3: Is it normal? Is this normal?
Speaker 1: When I lay down and run my hand along my stomach,
Speaker 1: I think there's like it's hard.
Speaker 3: There's a definitely a like a thing. That's the first
Speaker 3: baby bub you've got. That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So most women can now start feeling if you're
Speaker 2: really if you lie down and you lie quietly, you
Speaker 2: can start feeling like your pubic bone is bigger than
Speaker 2: it used to be, and it's actually the uterus now
Speaker 2: popping outside the top of the pubic.
Speaker 1: Bone, and one of the things we can do at
Speaker 1: week thirteen.
Speaker 2: So hopefully I've had your screening and you are feeling
Speaker 2: wonderful now and moving on to that next chapter of
Speaker 2: your pregnancy. You've obviously got a book in the test
Speaker 2: if you do want the diagnostic stuff, but if you've
Speaker 2: gone with standard hospital care and not with midw free care,
Speaker 2: soon you'll have your booking in visit. So if you've
Speaker 2: gone with MGP, you've likely already had it. But if
Speaker 2: you haven't and your GP's been managing most of your pregnancy,
Speaker 2: it's time to book in with the hospital. All public
Speaker 2: hospitals will take you, Okay, there's no chance they're not
Speaker 2: going to take you. They have to if you're in
Speaker 2: their local area. In fact, the hospital I work out
Speaker 2: takes women from all over the states, so it's reassured
Speaker 2: someone will be there present at your birth. But it's
Speaker 2: just now time to start that booking in processing and
Speaker 2: getting the familiar with what your body is and what's
Speaker 2: going on with your pregnancy.
Speaker 1: And if anyone is waiting to get into MTP, I
Speaker 1: might just share that it took me quite a few
Speaker 1: weeks to get in. At this point, I was still
Speaker 1: doing sharecare with the hospital and my GP and waiting
Speaker 1: to see if I was on the list.
Speaker 3: Late call.
Speaker 1: I got a late call.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. It does happen very often.
Speaker 1: Week sixteen, I think I got the call. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was actually at work and I missed it. And
Speaker 1: I saw that I had a voicemail, and I was
Speaker 1: like in a.
Speaker 3: Record, and I was like, oh my god, what.
Speaker 1: If they just move on to the next person on
Speaker 1: the list and I've missed my opportunity.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, And I think that's a good point, is if
Speaker 2: you're really keen to be on that program and you
Speaker 2: did not find out, you know, till later, and you're pregnant,
Speaker 2: ring them up and keep asking because unfortunately, women do
Speaker 2: get taken off that when they get higher risk pregnancies.
Speaker 2: So for example, if they've had diabetes or something that
Speaker 2: excludes them from the MGP program.
Speaker 3: Not always diabetes.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, ladies, if you have diabetes, that's still usually
Speaker 2: okay with MGP programs, but there might be something much
Speaker 2: worse that is requiring them to move care and then
Speaker 2: you might get us just like you did.
Speaker 1: The talk kit for this week is now that I
Speaker 1: know that she's fine and also that she's a she,
Speaker 1: which is delightful. I did start telling more people, but
Speaker 1: I was it's quite excited about having a girl. Like
Speaker 1: I said last week, that's what I wanted. You've seen
Speaker 1: how many babies come into.
Speaker 3: The hundreds, thousands, thousands. Is gender disappointment a thing? Very much?
Speaker 2: It is, And it's interesting because and I don't mind
Speaker 2: admitting that I really wanted a girl the same as
Speaker 2: you and my first little guy, I was a boy,
Speaker 2: and I was really glad that I found out what
Speaker 2: he was because I remember when I first found out,
Speaker 2: I was disappointed. I'm going to be really frank and
Speaker 2: honest because I think not owning that makes other people
Speaker 2: who feel disappointment feel guilty and bad. It was a
Speaker 2: healthy pregnancy, he was a healthy little boy. Within a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. I was ecstatic he was a guy.
Speaker 2: But it allowed me to then celebrate at birth and
Speaker 2: not have that disappointment as they're coming into the world.
Speaker 3: Everybody's different.
Speaker 2: One of the times I think you really need to
Speaker 2: consider it is if you've got two or three boys
Speaker 2: already and you're pregnant for the fourth time and you're
Speaker 2: hoping it's a girl, it's quite commonly going to be
Speaker 2: a boy. And therefore that disappointment is palpable in the
Speaker 2: birth unit like you do see it, and women struggle
Speaker 2: to bond with the baby because it's not what they
Speaker 2: were hoping for or they envisioned it being something else.
Speaker 2: So don't get me wrong, there's not many surprises left
Speaker 2: in the world, and it's a pretty beautiful surprise if
Speaker 2: you can hold onto it, and if it genuinely does
Speaker 2: not matter, then it's a wonderful thing to wait and enjoy.
Speaker 3: It gives you an also.
Speaker 2: Motivation when you're in that throes of labor, to I'm
Speaker 2: going to about to find out what I'm having. But
Speaker 2: if you know you're going to be disappointed with one
Speaker 2: or the other, sometimes it's actually better to find out
Speaker 2: and then and to love what you've got on the
Speaker 2: inside and name him or her and have that you
Speaker 2: know that time to be reassure. Now one more thing,
Speaker 2: Testicles and vaginas look very different at birth from what
Speaker 2: you expect them to look, so I have had plenty
Speaker 2: of dads go, it's a boy, and it's just a
Speaker 2: very big vulver, so have a really good look between
Speaker 2: the baby's legs because it's very full of hormones and
Speaker 2: blood at birth.
Speaker 1: Interesting in terms of people going, oh, it's such like
Speaker 1: a beautiful surprise for me, I found out the sex
Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, I was feeling so sick. I
Speaker 1: wanted to try to connect. Yeah, and I know to
Speaker 1: just say he or she it seems like a silly thing,
Speaker 1: but it was just to start, I guess, making them
Speaker 1: a person instead of the parasite that's.
Speaker 3: The life out of me.
Speaker 1: And also in terms of the surprise element for me,
Speaker 1: I thought, it's a surprise whenever you find out the information,
Speaker 1: and if you know in an envelope that information exists,
Speaker 1: it's just choosing not to know rather.
Speaker 3: Than it being a surprise. That's so true.
Speaker 1: So I also thought, on the day, there's going to
Speaker 1: be so many other things going on that I'm not
Speaker 1: really going to care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I found out for those reasons.
Speaker 2: There's great reasons, and it'd be nice to hear what
Speaker 2: other people choose and why they do it too, because
Speaker 2: I remember when when I first had my baby's eighteen
Speaker 2: years ago. Now my eldest my twins are three, but
Speaker 2: he's eighteen. It's a big age gap, and it was
Speaker 2: no one could so it was only people who could
Speaker 2: afford to find out would find out, whereas nowadays lots
Speaker 2: of people choose not to because it's no longer as popular.
Speaker 2: It's been like underarm hair, you know, there used to
Speaker 2: be no one once is coming back and it's actually
Speaker 2: vaginal hair is the same, which we should talk about
Speaker 2: one time. The matter, well, it's very different downstairs for
Speaker 2: ladies now lots and lots more hair. So the cultural
Speaker 2: changes when it comes to baby names and baby gender
Speaker 2: of eels and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, I do have questions on that of whether
Speaker 1: you've seen everything and whether you and whether you care
Speaker 1: about what.
Speaker 3: You're not a care?
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, I promise you there is absolute And that's
Speaker 2: a good thought for this week.
Speaker 3: What not to stress about is we do not care.
Speaker 2: I've seen at the least two thousand vaginas and I
Speaker 2: cannot remember yours or anybody else's for that matter of age.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's whatever's most comfortable.
Speaker 1: For you, whatever you can reach at this point where
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 3: Reach is a good point.
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