1 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:15,349 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mom and Maya 2 00:00:15,429 --> 00:00:18,669 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 3 00:00:18,709 --> 00:00:20,069 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,349 --> 00:00:24,189 Speaker 2: I am pregnanty. 5 00:00:27,109 --> 00:00:28,069 Speaker 3: Welcome to Hello Bump. 6 00:00:28,069 --> 00:00:30,749 Speaker 1: We're making pregnancy less overwhelming and more manageable. 7 00:00:30,869 --> 00:00:31,709 Speaker 3: I'm Grace Ruefrey. 8 00:00:31,749 --> 00:00:34,269 Speaker 1: I'm pregnant for the first time, and I've officially hit 9 00:00:34,309 --> 00:00:36,429 Speaker 1: the second trimester, which is where I have been promised 10 00:00:36,469 --> 00:00:37,389 Speaker 1: that everything gets better. 11 00:00:38,269 --> 00:00:40,789 Speaker 2: I'mianta Pittman. I'm a formerly big athlete, I'm a mother 12 00:00:40,829 --> 00:00:42,829 Speaker 2: of six, and I'm now an obstetric trainee. 13 00:00:43,189 --> 00:00:45,229 Speaker 1: Each week, Yanna and I will be holding your hand 14 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:48,069 Speaker 1: week by week through the mysterious, perplexing and sometimes quite 15 00:00:48,069 --> 00:00:50,069 Speaker 1: annoying miracle pregnancy. 16 00:00:51,429 --> 00:00:54,349 Speaker 3: Week thirteen And what. 17 00:00:54,469 --> 00:00:56,429 Speaker 1: Size is our baby in the first week of the 18 00:00:56,469 --> 00:00:57,149 Speaker 1: second trimester? 19 00:00:57,349 --> 00:00:59,429 Speaker 3: Well, still with fruit. We gotta go with a kiwi fruit. 20 00:00:59,469 --> 00:01:01,269 Speaker 2: But as you say, it is a pig milestone make 21 00:01:01,309 --> 00:01:02,309 Speaker 2: it into that second semester. 22 00:01:02,549 --> 00:01:07,069 Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a mini cactus medicatus, a minisucculent. 23 00:01:06,469 --> 00:01:09,309 Speaker 2: Small cat of corn, like those little tiny ones about Yeah, 24 00:01:09,869 --> 00:01:11,549 Speaker 2: a army. These days, I've seen a lot more of 25 00:01:11,549 --> 00:01:12,749 Speaker 2: those kind of fancy beans. 26 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:16,989 Speaker 1: But and how have they developed. What's happening in this 27 00:01:17,029 --> 00:01:18,629 Speaker 1: first week at the second track, Mistim, I'm. 28 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:20,109 Speaker 2: Going to go with something fun. They can now suck 29 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:21,829 Speaker 2: their thumb or form a fist. 30 00:01:21,909 --> 00:01:24,509 Speaker 1: I think I'm swear so cay because their fingers aren't 31 00:01:24,509 --> 00:01:25,269 Speaker 1: webbed anymore. 32 00:01:25,349 --> 00:01:26,829 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think they're still I don't actually if 33 00:01:26,829 --> 00:01:28,629 Speaker 2: they've still got some webbing maybe the base of the finger, 34 00:01:28,669 --> 00:01:30,789 Speaker 2: but they're certainly making that sort of motion to go 35 00:01:30,909 --> 00:01:32,869 Speaker 2: up towards their mouth, which I think is quite cute. Babies, 36 00:01:32,909 --> 00:01:35,949 Speaker 2: testes and ovaries are now fully developed already at thirteen weeks, 37 00:01:35,989 --> 00:01:37,589 Speaker 2: so they've still got to move along way. So the boys' 38 00:01:37,589 --> 00:01:39,789 Speaker 2: tests have to drop down like descend outside, but their 39 00:01:39,869 --> 00:01:42,909 Speaker 2: actual the components of the testicles are there and present. 40 00:01:43,749 --> 00:01:45,349 Speaker 2: This remember how we talked about the umbilicalle I still 41 00:01:45,349 --> 00:01:48,589 Speaker 2: don't know. I'm sorry when full is made, but this 42 00:01:48,629 --> 00:01:50,549 Speaker 2: is the way the intestines actually go back into their 43 00:01:50,549 --> 00:01:52,949 Speaker 2: proper place. So initially, if you were looking at notes saying, 44 00:01:52,949 --> 00:01:55,149 Speaker 2: you'd actually see the babies and testlines outside of its body, 45 00:01:55,149 --> 00:01:57,709 Speaker 2: and then it does multiple rotations and goes back inside 46 00:01:57,749 --> 00:02:01,269 Speaker 2: to albi housed like a slinky. Yeah a little bit, Yeah, 47 00:02:01,949 --> 00:02:03,549 Speaker 2: I can't of it. Look would look very nice on 48 00:02:03,589 --> 00:02:05,069 Speaker 2: an option, but I've never really seen it. 49 00:02:05,349 --> 00:02:08,069 Speaker 1: So, but can you see it as that small stage? 50 00:02:08,189 --> 00:02:09,709 Speaker 2: I think it looks like a blob, yeah, and the 51 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:13,309 Speaker 2: abdom looks round and big so and the last ones 52 00:02:13,349 --> 00:02:15,309 Speaker 2: the baby's vocal cords are starting to form, not that 53 00:02:15,349 --> 00:02:17,549 Speaker 2: they're gonna make any noises for a while, but that's 54 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:19,829 Speaker 2: when when you're, you know, six weeks into it, when 55 00:02:19,829 --> 00:02:21,549 Speaker 2: the baby's born and that are not shut up. You 56 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:25,069 Speaker 2: can know that from it's been in development since thirteen weeks. 57 00:02:25,549 --> 00:02:29,869 Speaker 3: What happened? What's happening to me? What's happening with my body? 58 00:02:30,349 --> 00:02:32,909 Speaker 2: Your ligaments is now stretching, so you're quite commonly feeling 59 00:02:32,909 --> 00:02:35,309 Speaker 2: that sort of around ligament pain instead abdominal and groin pain. 60 00:02:36,149 --> 00:02:37,589 Speaker 2: I think at some point we'll talk about when the 61 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:39,509 Speaker 2: red flags of that sort of pain need to develop, 62 00:02:39,549 --> 00:02:42,789 Speaker 2: because things like appendicide still happen, even a very intortion 63 00:02:42,989 --> 00:02:45,189 Speaker 2: still happens. That's where you're overy twists. So there's lots 64 00:02:45,189 --> 00:02:46,789 Speaker 2: of little things we need to think about. But at 65 00:02:46,789 --> 00:02:49,429 Speaker 2: this point, ninety percent of the time pain is related 66 00:02:49,429 --> 00:02:52,069 Speaker 2: to those ligaments stretching, and you might see that dark 67 00:02:52,109 --> 00:02:54,829 Speaker 2: line forming on your belly from your pivotpone, which usually 68 00:02:54,869 --> 00:02:55,789 Speaker 2: goes away out pregnancy. 69 00:02:55,829 --> 00:02:58,869 Speaker 3: By the way, is does everyone get that? I didn't. Yeah, 70 00:02:58,949 --> 00:03:02,029 Speaker 3: I don't. I feel like stretch marks. Some do, some don't. Oh, 71 00:03:02,069 --> 00:03:03,429 Speaker 3: you cannot get stretch marks. 72 00:03:04,229 --> 00:03:05,829 Speaker 2: I do not want to have all the women on 73 00:03:05,829 --> 00:03:08,109 Speaker 2: this podcast to hate me. But I still haven't got 74 00:03:08,109 --> 00:03:10,269 Speaker 2: stretch marks after all those breaks. 75 00:03:10,749 --> 00:03:13,189 Speaker 1: Isn't the so with the line stretch marks and the 76 00:03:13,229 --> 00:03:14,629 Speaker 1: belly button popping. 77 00:03:14,509 --> 00:03:17,949 Speaker 2: You've got that still still and then I really want 78 00:03:17,949 --> 00:03:19,669 Speaker 2: to dedicate an episode to it later. And I had 79 00:03:19,709 --> 00:03:22,149 Speaker 2: the worst volvo varicosis because I had testicles down there. 80 00:03:22,149 --> 00:03:23,949 Speaker 2: So I think it's okay that I got my stretch marks. 81 00:03:24,589 --> 00:03:26,389 Speaker 3: What is it? Highlight though everybody's body is different. 82 00:03:26,549 --> 00:03:28,829 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you've just said some terrifying things that 83 00:03:28,909 --> 00:03:31,549 Speaker 1: we'll get too. Is this normal? 84 00:03:31,629 --> 00:03:34,189 Speaker 3: Is it normal? Is this normal? 85 00:03:34,749 --> 00:03:38,909 Speaker 1: When I lay down and run my hand along my stomach, 86 00:03:39,429 --> 00:03:41,309 Speaker 1: I think there's like it's hard. 87 00:03:41,469 --> 00:03:43,829 Speaker 3: There's a definitely a like a thing. That's the first 88 00:03:43,829 --> 00:03:45,349 Speaker 3: baby bub you've got. That's right. 89 00:03:45,429 --> 00:03:48,509 Speaker 2: Yeah, So most women can now start feeling if you're 90 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:50,229 Speaker 2: really if you lie down and you lie quietly, you 91 00:03:50,269 --> 00:03:52,109 Speaker 2: can start feeling like your pubic bone is bigger than 92 00:03:52,109 --> 00:03:53,909 Speaker 2: it used to be, and it's actually the uterus now 93 00:03:53,989 --> 00:03:55,589 Speaker 2: popping outside the top of the pubic. 94 00:03:55,349 --> 00:03:57,629 Speaker 1: Bone, and one of the things we can do at 95 00:03:57,629 --> 00:03:58,229 Speaker 1: week thirteen. 96 00:03:59,149 --> 00:04:01,789 Speaker 2: So hopefully I've had your screening and you are feeling 97 00:04:01,829 --> 00:04:05,069 Speaker 2: wonderful now and moving on to that next chapter of 98 00:04:04,549 --> 00:04:07,189 Speaker 2: your pregnancy. You've obviously got a book in the test 99 00:04:07,229 --> 00:04:09,709 Speaker 2: if you do want the diagnostic stuff, but if you've 100 00:04:09,709 --> 00:04:12,989 Speaker 2: gone with standard hospital care and not with midw free care, 101 00:04:13,029 --> 00:04:14,589 Speaker 2: soon you'll have your booking in visit. So if you've 102 00:04:14,589 --> 00:04:17,109 Speaker 2: gone with MGP, you've likely already had it. But if 103 00:04:17,109 --> 00:04:19,269 Speaker 2: you haven't and your GP's been managing most of your pregnancy, 104 00:04:19,309 --> 00:04:21,789 Speaker 2: it's time to book in with the hospital. All public 105 00:04:21,829 --> 00:04:23,829 Speaker 2: hospitals will take you, Okay, there's no chance they're not 106 00:04:23,869 --> 00:04:25,149 Speaker 2: going to take you. They have to if you're in 107 00:04:25,149 --> 00:04:27,549 Speaker 2: their local area. In fact, the hospital I work out 108 00:04:27,709 --> 00:04:30,029 Speaker 2: takes women from all over the states, so it's reassured 109 00:04:30,349 --> 00:04:32,709 Speaker 2: someone will be there present at your birth. But it's 110 00:04:32,749 --> 00:04:35,189 Speaker 2: just now time to start that booking in processing and 111 00:04:35,229 --> 00:04:37,789 Speaker 2: getting the familiar with what your body is and what's 112 00:04:37,829 --> 00:04:39,149 Speaker 2: going on with your pregnancy. 113 00:04:38,789 --> 00:04:42,149 Speaker 1: And if anyone is waiting to get into MTP, I 114 00:04:42,229 --> 00:04:43,869 Speaker 1: might just share that it took me quite a few 115 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:45,789 Speaker 1: weeks to get in. At this point, I was still 116 00:04:45,789 --> 00:04:49,029 Speaker 1: doing sharecare with the hospital and my GP and waiting 117 00:04:49,069 --> 00:04:50,229 Speaker 1: to see if I was on the list. 118 00:04:50,589 --> 00:04:50,909 Speaker 3: Late call. 119 00:04:51,109 --> 00:04:51,869 Speaker 1: I got a late call. 120 00:04:51,949 --> 00:04:54,229 Speaker 3: It's amazing. It does happen very often. 121 00:04:54,509 --> 00:04:56,989 Speaker 1: Week sixteen, I think I got the call. Yeah, and 122 00:04:57,229 --> 00:04:59,029 Speaker 1: I was actually at work and I missed it. And 123 00:04:59,069 --> 00:05:01,069 Speaker 1: I saw that I had a voicemail, and I was 124 00:05:01,109 --> 00:05:01,549 Speaker 1: like in a. 125 00:05:01,509 --> 00:05:03,429 Speaker 3: Record, and I was like, oh my god, what. 126 00:05:03,429 --> 00:05:05,229 Speaker 1: If they just move on to the next person on 127 00:05:05,269 --> 00:05:07,149 Speaker 1: the list and I've missed my opportunity. 128 00:05:07,309 --> 00:05:07,469 Speaker 3: Yeah. 129 00:05:07,589 --> 00:05:08,949 Speaker 2: Look, And I think that's a good point, is if 130 00:05:08,949 --> 00:05:10,429 Speaker 2: you're really keen to be on that program and you 131 00:05:10,429 --> 00:05:12,309 Speaker 2: did not find out, you know, till later, and you're pregnant, 132 00:05:12,349 --> 00:05:14,549 Speaker 2: ring them up and keep asking because unfortunately, women do 133 00:05:14,669 --> 00:05:17,269 Speaker 2: get taken off that when they get higher risk pregnancies. 134 00:05:17,269 --> 00:05:19,309 Speaker 2: So for example, if they've had diabetes or something that 135 00:05:19,429 --> 00:05:21,149 Speaker 2: excludes them from the MGP program. 136 00:05:21,869 --> 00:05:22,589 Speaker 3: Not always diabetes. 137 00:05:22,589 --> 00:05:24,549 Speaker 2: Don't worry, ladies, if you have diabetes, that's still usually 138 00:05:24,589 --> 00:05:27,029 Speaker 2: okay with MGP programs, but there might be something much 139 00:05:27,029 --> 00:05:30,589 Speaker 2: worse that is requiring them to move care and then 140 00:05:30,629 --> 00:05:32,109 Speaker 2: you might get us just like you did. 141 00:05:40,229 --> 00:05:43,629 Speaker 1: The talk kit for this week is now that I 142 00:05:43,709 --> 00:05:46,309 Speaker 1: know that she's fine and also that she's a she, 143 00:05:46,709 --> 00:05:50,229 Speaker 1: which is delightful. I did start telling more people, but 144 00:05:50,349 --> 00:05:53,549 Speaker 1: I was it's quite excited about having a girl. Like 145 00:05:53,589 --> 00:05:56,509 Speaker 1: I said last week, that's what I wanted. You've seen 146 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:58,749 Speaker 1: how many babies come into. 147 00:05:58,789 --> 00:06:03,669 Speaker 3: The hundreds, thousands, thousands. Is gender disappointment a thing? Very much? 148 00:06:03,709 --> 00:06:05,389 Speaker 2: It is, And it's interesting because and I don't mind 149 00:06:05,429 --> 00:06:07,069 Speaker 2: admitting that I really wanted a girl the same as 150 00:06:07,109 --> 00:06:09,189 Speaker 2: you and my first little guy, I was a boy, 151 00:06:09,349 --> 00:06:12,229 Speaker 2: and I was really glad that I found out what 152 00:06:12,309 --> 00:06:13,869 Speaker 2: he was because I remember when I first found out, 153 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:15,629 Speaker 2: I was disappointed. I'm going to be really frank and 154 00:06:15,669 --> 00:06:18,429 Speaker 2: honest because I think not owning that makes other people 155 00:06:18,429 --> 00:06:21,509 Speaker 2: who feel disappointment feel guilty and bad. It was a 156 00:06:21,509 --> 00:06:23,869 Speaker 2: healthy pregnancy, he was a healthy little boy. Within a 157 00:06:23,909 --> 00:06:26,189 Speaker 2: couple of weeks. I was ecstatic he was a guy. 158 00:06:26,549 --> 00:06:28,509 Speaker 2: But it allowed me to then celebrate at birth and 159 00:06:28,549 --> 00:06:30,829 Speaker 2: not have that disappointment as they're coming into the world. 160 00:06:31,029 --> 00:06:31,829 Speaker 3: Everybody's different. 161 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:33,349 Speaker 2: One of the times I think you really need to 162 00:06:33,349 --> 00:06:35,429 Speaker 2: consider it is if you've got two or three boys 163 00:06:35,469 --> 00:06:37,309 Speaker 2: already and you're pregnant for the fourth time and you're 164 00:06:37,349 --> 00:06:39,869 Speaker 2: hoping it's a girl, it's quite commonly going to be 165 00:06:39,909 --> 00:06:42,909 Speaker 2: a boy. And therefore that disappointment is palpable in the 166 00:06:42,909 --> 00:06:45,909 Speaker 2: birth unit like you do see it, and women struggle 167 00:06:45,949 --> 00:06:47,349 Speaker 2: to bond with the baby because it's not what they 168 00:06:47,349 --> 00:06:49,549 Speaker 2: were hoping for or they envisioned it being something else. 169 00:06:50,189 --> 00:06:52,029 Speaker 2: So don't get me wrong, there's not many surprises left 170 00:06:52,029 --> 00:06:54,149 Speaker 2: in the world, and it's a pretty beautiful surprise if 171 00:06:54,189 --> 00:06:55,949 Speaker 2: you can hold onto it, and if it genuinely does 172 00:06:55,989 --> 00:06:59,029 Speaker 2: not matter, then it's a wonderful thing to wait and enjoy. 173 00:06:59,029 --> 00:07:00,149 Speaker 3: It gives you an also. 174 00:06:59,909 --> 00:07:02,229 Speaker 2: Motivation when you're in that throes of labor, to I'm 175 00:07:02,229 --> 00:07:04,509 Speaker 2: going to about to find out what I'm having. But 176 00:07:04,589 --> 00:07:07,189 Speaker 2: if you know you're going to be disappointed with one 177 00:07:07,229 --> 00:07:09,309 Speaker 2: or the other, sometimes it's actually better to find out 178 00:07:09,349 --> 00:07:11,109 Speaker 2: and then and to love what you've got on the 179 00:07:11,149 --> 00:07:14,109 Speaker 2: inside and name him or her and have that you 180 00:07:14,149 --> 00:07:17,469 Speaker 2: know that time to be reassure. Now one more thing, 181 00:07:18,349 --> 00:07:21,189 Speaker 2: Testicles and vaginas look very different at birth from what 182 00:07:21,229 --> 00:07:23,189 Speaker 2: you expect them to look, so I have had plenty 183 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:25,069 Speaker 2: of dads go, it's a boy, and it's just a 184 00:07:25,149 --> 00:07:27,909 Speaker 2: very big vulver, so have a really good look between 185 00:07:27,949 --> 00:07:31,429 Speaker 2: the baby's legs because it's very full of hormones and 186 00:07:31,469 --> 00:07:32,549 Speaker 2: blood at birth. 187 00:07:32,909 --> 00:07:36,109 Speaker 1: Interesting in terms of people going, oh, it's such like 188 00:07:36,109 --> 00:07:39,429 Speaker 1: a beautiful surprise for me, I found out the sex 189 00:07:39,469 --> 00:07:41,949 Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, I was feeling so sick. I 190 00:07:41,989 --> 00:07:46,469 Speaker 1: wanted to try to connect. Yeah, and I know to 191 00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:49,189 Speaker 1: just say he or she it seems like a silly thing, 192 00:07:49,229 --> 00:07:51,629 Speaker 1: but it was just to start, I guess, making them 193 00:07:51,629 --> 00:07:53,469 Speaker 1: a person instead of the parasite that's. 194 00:07:53,669 --> 00:07:54,749 Speaker 3: The life out of me. 195 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:58,109 Speaker 1: And also in terms of the surprise element for me, 196 00:07:58,469 --> 00:08:01,829 Speaker 1: I thought, it's a surprise whenever you find out the information, 197 00:08:01,989 --> 00:08:04,749 Speaker 1: and if you know in an envelope that information exists, 198 00:08:05,069 --> 00:08:07,629 Speaker 1: it's just choosing not to know rather. 199 00:08:07,429 --> 00:08:09,509 Speaker 3: Than it being a surprise. That's so true. 200 00:08:09,749 --> 00:08:12,029 Speaker 1: So I also thought, on the day, there's going to 201 00:08:12,029 --> 00:08:14,029 Speaker 1: be so many other things going on that I'm not 202 00:08:14,069 --> 00:08:14,789 Speaker 1: really going to care. 203 00:08:15,029 --> 00:08:17,509 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I found out for those reasons. 204 00:08:17,549 --> 00:08:19,109 Speaker 2: There's great reasons, and it'd be nice to hear what 205 00:08:19,149 --> 00:08:21,189 Speaker 2: other people choose and why they do it too, because 206 00:08:21,309 --> 00:08:23,149 Speaker 2: I remember when when I first had my baby's eighteen 207 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:25,389 Speaker 2: years ago. Now my eldest my twins are three, but 208 00:08:25,429 --> 00:08:27,509 Speaker 2: he's eighteen. It's a big age gap, and it was 209 00:08:27,709 --> 00:08:29,389 Speaker 2: no one could so it was only people who could 210 00:08:29,389 --> 00:08:32,189 Speaker 2: afford to find out would find out, whereas nowadays lots 211 00:08:32,229 --> 00:08:35,029 Speaker 2: of people choose not to because it's no longer as popular. 212 00:08:35,549 --> 00:08:37,389 Speaker 2: It's been like underarm hair, you know, there used to 213 00:08:37,429 --> 00:08:39,469 Speaker 2: be no one once is coming back and it's actually 214 00:08:39,549 --> 00:08:41,109 Speaker 2: vaginal hair is the same, which we should talk about 215 00:08:41,109 --> 00:08:43,629 Speaker 2: one time. The matter, well, it's very different downstairs for 216 00:08:43,709 --> 00:08:46,349 Speaker 2: ladies now lots and lots more hair. So the cultural 217 00:08:46,469 --> 00:08:49,549 Speaker 2: changes when it comes to baby names and baby gender 218 00:08:49,629 --> 00:08:50,349 Speaker 2: of eels and everything. 219 00:08:50,949 --> 00:08:52,549 Speaker 1: You know, I do have questions on that of whether 220 00:08:52,549 --> 00:08:55,469 Speaker 1: you've seen everything and whether you and whether you care 221 00:08:55,549 --> 00:08:56,149 Speaker 1: about what. 222 00:08:56,029 --> 00:08:57,029 Speaker 3: You're not a care? 223 00:08:57,189 --> 00:08:59,109 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, I promise you there is absolute And that's 224 00:08:59,109 --> 00:08:59,909 Speaker 2: a good thought for this week. 225 00:08:59,909 --> 00:09:01,709 Speaker 3: What not to stress about is we do not care. 226 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:04,549 Speaker 2: I've seen at the least two thousand vaginas and I 227 00:09:04,589 --> 00:09:07,629 Speaker 2: cannot remember yours or anybody else's for that matter of age. 228 00:09:07,989 --> 00:09:10,189 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's whatever's most comfortable. 229 00:09:09,829 --> 00:09:11,909 Speaker 1: For you, whatever you can reach at this point where 230 00:09:11,949 --> 00:09:12,269 Speaker 1: you can. 231 00:09:12,229 --> 00:09:14,669 Speaker 3: Reach is a good point. 232 00:09:16,029 --> 00:09:18,189 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode of Hello Bump. 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