WEBVTT - SUNDAY SPECIAL: We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.341 You're listening to a Mama Maya podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:16.741 Mamma may I acknowledges the traditional oners of Land and 0:00:16.822 --> 0:00:18.901 Waters that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:19.222 --> 0:00:21.942 Well, Harry, have you heard anything from aml? 0:00:22.142 --> 0:00:22.302 Oh? 0:00:22.381 --> 0:00:24.982 Yeah, I got a postcard today, a postcard. 0:00:25.302 --> 0:00:26.461 Well what did he write? 0:00:26.502 --> 0:00:28.982 Nothing? I've been sending him vintage postcards at. 0:00:28.902 --> 0:00:31.182 Old New York to remind him you're getting old in 0:00:31.262 --> 0:00:32.982 New York with just. 0:00:32.942 --> 0:00:33.901 A hard John on them. 0:00:34.382 --> 0:00:37.222 There're just a little mom here. I love him, and 0:00:37.302 --> 0:00:40.742 so now he's sending me back playing postcards from Virginia. Ah, 0:00:41.462 --> 0:00:41.982 want some wine? 0:00:42.182 --> 0:00:44.182 I want all the wine. God, why do you have 0:00:44.262 --> 0:00:46.022 two buttons open? Let me guess? 0:00:46.142 --> 0:00:48.262 Because you're cool? Damn right, because I'm cool? 0:00:48.622 --> 0:00:49.622 Because that is cool. 0:00:49.782 --> 0:00:52.582 After you left the bar, I had sex with a nun. 0:00:53.262 --> 0:00:56.382 I cannot leave you alone for a minute. 0:00:56.822 --> 0:01:00.502 In my defense, Mary never mentioned she was a nun, 0:01:00.542 --> 0:01:03.382 and she was dressed like a regular lesbian, aren't they all. 0:01:03.622 --> 0:01:06.021 In fact, she didn't mention it until right after she 0:01:06.102 --> 0:01:07.342 told me she was a virgin. 0:01:08.102 --> 0:01:11.702 So you deflower the virgin Mary. 0:01:11.982 --> 0:01:12.982 This is a witch hunt. 0:01:13.142 --> 0:01:15.862 I know, my sweet baby angel, And even if he 0:01:15.942 --> 0:01:18.262 was off leash, he is not violent. 0:01:18.582 --> 0:01:19.422 There is not a. 0:01:19.582 --> 0:01:24.222 Destructive scutting Jenny. Hello, and welcome to a special bonus episode. 0:01:24.302 --> 0:01:27.502 If Mamma Mia out loud. Friends, it's that time. It's 0:01:27.542 --> 0:01:30.102 a happy time because season three of and Just like 0:01:30.182 --> 0:01:33.662 That has just launched on Max and we're pretty excited. 0:01:34.062 --> 0:01:36.022 I'm gonna be honest, I was a little bit daunted. 0:01:36.142 --> 0:01:39.782 I wasn't as excited as I have been perhaps for 0:01:39.862 --> 0:01:43.222 other seasons. And then I watched it and it's a 0:01:43.222 --> 0:01:45.782 whole new situation and I've got a whole new read 0:01:45.822 --> 0:01:46.022 on it. 0:01:46.022 --> 0:01:47.142 See that's so interesting. 0:01:47.142 --> 0:01:49.022 This is what we have to unpack because I felt 0:01:49.022 --> 0:01:51.262 it very much picked up where it left off and 0:01:51.342 --> 0:01:54.382 I love that, Like my happy place is to be 0:01:54.502 --> 0:01:56.822 hanging out with these women. I've realized that's a big 0:01:57.502 --> 0:02:00.822 we must have imprinted deeply on these women in I us, right, 0:02:01.342 --> 0:02:04.142 and so I just love to be with them. But 0:02:04.222 --> 0:02:06.382 I sort of felt like, oh, it's like tomorrow, you 0:02:06.462 --> 0:02:08.781 know what I mean. It hadn't jumped a year, or. 0:02:08.942 --> 0:02:11.942 That's true, so I thought it might have jumped more so. 0:02:12.102 --> 0:02:14.702 The three of us have watched the first episode, as 0:02:14.702 --> 0:02:17.062 you probably have. Yes, they are going to be spoilers 0:02:17.061 --> 0:02:18.822 because we are going to unpack episode one. 0:02:18.862 --> 0:02:19.742 But before we talk. 0:02:19.622 --> 0:02:22.822 About how we're feeling, let's just talk about where we did, 0:02:22.822 --> 0:02:26.341 in fact leave off, as Holly said in season two, 0:02:26.502 --> 0:02:28.182 even just like that. Of course, it is the new 0:02:28.262 --> 0:02:30.662 chapter of Sex and the City with a different name, 0:02:31.302 --> 0:02:32.742 some different cast members. 0:02:32.942 --> 0:02:34.622 They did a really good job of reminding me in 0:02:34.662 --> 0:02:37.302 episode one, because I must say, I think I watched 0:02:37.822 --> 0:02:40.702 maybe i'll watched the last season when I was on 0:02:40.782 --> 0:02:41.502 Maternity Leaders. 0:02:41.782 --> 0:02:43.862 We did, because it's two years, yes, two. 0:02:43.742 --> 0:02:45.662 Years, so I think that I don't have any memories 0:02:45.702 --> 0:02:49.382 from that time, and they reminded me. Okay, so Carrie 0:02:49.422 --> 0:02:52.061 and Aiden. He said at the end, I need to 0:02:52.102 --> 0:02:55.102 go back and be with my family five years yes, correct. 0:02:54.822 --> 0:02:57.302 One of it. He had three teenage sons or at least, 0:02:57.542 --> 0:02:59.221 and one of them was going through a hard time 0:02:59.262 --> 0:03:01.542 and had been drinking and it had had a car accident, 0:03:01.582 --> 0:03:04.022 and he's like, I need to go and be with them. 0:03:04.582 --> 0:03:06.022 But without you, can. 0:03:05.902 --> 0:03:10.062 You remind me how they got back together, How Aiden 0:03:10.102 --> 0:03:11.982 came back on the scene, How did David re meet. 0:03:12.742 --> 0:03:15.502 Reach out to her on Facebook or something. 0:03:15.582 --> 0:03:18.262 I can't remember how did he come back, but I 0:03:18.302 --> 0:03:21.422 think he reached out to her and obviously she had 0:03:21.422 --> 0:03:23.702 put a toe back in the dating pool since losing 0:03:23.742 --> 0:03:27.302 Big because she was devastated, obviously for most of that season. 0:03:27.342 --> 0:03:30.302 And then none of them really took and then Aiden 0:03:30.342 --> 0:03:33.221 reappeared and they got hot and heavy pretty quickly, and 0:03:33.262 --> 0:03:34.742 they were going to move in. So the reason that 0:03:34.822 --> 0:03:38.222 Carrie we find carrying this beautiful white house is she 0:03:38.302 --> 0:03:40.342 was like, we need a new start, a fresh start together. 0:03:40.422 --> 0:03:43.502 This apartment has bad usual for us. Remember that time 0:03:43.542 --> 0:03:45.222 he knocked a hole in the wall, Remember that time 0:03:45.222 --> 0:03:47.382 he restanded my floors. Remember that time he made me 0:03:47.422 --> 0:03:50.462 a leather armchair. I remember all these times. And so 0:03:50.582 --> 0:03:52.622 we need a fresh start. So we're buying the most 0:03:52.622 --> 0:03:54.702 beautiful house in New York City. But then she's ended 0:03:54.742 --> 0:03:57.222 up living there alone because he's gone back to I 0:03:57.262 --> 0:03:58.022 want to say. 0:03:57.862 --> 0:03:59.302 Is it Virginia? 0:03:59.422 --> 0:04:00.902 Virginia? 0:04:01.462 --> 0:04:02.222 Yeah, that sounds right. 0:04:02.222 --> 0:04:03.662 Virginia the state, not the person. 0:04:03.902 --> 0:04:09.142 Yes, yes, okay. And then Miranda break up with and 0:04:09.182 --> 0:04:12.422 now she dating dating, she's on the scene. Of course, 0:04:12.502 --> 0:04:17.022 she is sober, she's not treating sober, and she's at 0:04:17.022 --> 0:04:18.422 her gay bar and whatnot. 0:04:18.502 --> 0:04:21.342 And Charlotte, nothing much has changed for Charlotte. 0:04:20.942 --> 0:04:25.342 Has nothing much changed? From like Charlotte finished last season, 0:04:26.101 --> 0:04:29.262 she was trying to work out who she was and 0:04:29.741 --> 0:04:31.702 was she going to lose weight, she was re entering 0:04:31.782 --> 0:04:34.582 the workforce, that was kind of the plot. And then 0:04:34.981 --> 0:04:38.421 in season one, even just like that, she was dealing 0:04:38.421 --> 0:04:40.901 with a non binary child and organizing it by Mitzva. 0:04:40.981 --> 0:04:43.261 So all of those kinds of things, right, yeah, And 0:04:43.301 --> 0:04:45.261 then the other characters. 0:04:45.501 --> 0:04:49.702 Seema, we left her dating this hot Ravi movie director 0:04:49.981 --> 0:04:54.342 Ravi because she's perpetually single and very fabulous, and that 0:04:54.462 --> 0:04:57.101 seemed to be like she'd met her match, was what 0:04:57.142 --> 0:04:59.342 we were supposed to think, because you know, she's fabulous, 0:04:59.342 --> 0:05:00.261 he's fabulous or whatever. 0:05:01.222 --> 0:05:02.541 Not so great episode. 0:05:02.782 --> 0:05:06.101 Then there was also Naya, who had been Miranda's lecturer 0:05:06.662 --> 0:05:10.301 at college when she was studying. Well at the end 0:05:10.342 --> 0:05:14.141 of last season she had split with her partner, who 0:05:14.181 --> 0:05:17.021 had then hooked up with another woman, and she was 0:05:17.061 --> 0:05:19.501 also single but feeling a bit ambivalent about that and 0:05:19.541 --> 0:05:22.061 her decision to not have children. And then there was 0:05:22.101 --> 0:05:25.301 Lisa Todd Wexley. I can't remember what was happening with. 0:05:25.262 --> 0:05:29.101 Her, so she is making an important documentary. Well, at 0:05:29.101 --> 0:05:31.141 the end of the last one, she had managed to 0:05:31.142 --> 0:05:34.261 pitch that, but also her husband, who to us will 0:05:34.301 --> 0:05:36.541 forever be George Washington in Hamilton. 0:05:36.621 --> 0:05:40.782 Yeah, yes, is running for city cooed Controller. 0:05:40.301 --> 0:05:42.222 Which I think is like kind of Mayre. So that's 0:05:42.262 --> 0:05:46.101 where we left our girls last season. Now this season, 0:05:46.181 --> 0:05:47.621 as you say, Holly, I thought it was going to 0:05:47.662 --> 0:05:51.101 jump ahead, but it seems to pick up very quickly 0:05:51.142 --> 0:05:56.141 after Aiden's left everything that we just discussed, Jesse. Overall 0:05:56.181 --> 0:05:58.061 feelings about episode one. 0:05:58.342 --> 0:06:01.301 Positive, very positive? Will you because oh yeah, yeah, yeh 0:06:01.342 --> 0:06:04.061 yeh yeah. I came to it in my probably late 0:06:04.061 --> 0:06:06.621 teens early twenties, and I watched every episode multiple times. 0:06:07.222 --> 0:06:10.141 I really really enjoyed it. It was mindless, it was fun. 0:06:10.541 --> 0:06:14.101 I'm forever traumatized by one particular thing, which we'll get to, 0:06:14.222 --> 0:06:15.941 and I'm just glad that we got to hear George 0:06:15.981 --> 0:06:17.742 Washington sing, which I've been waiting for. 0:06:17.902 --> 0:06:17.981 You. 0:06:18.101 --> 0:06:21.581 Yeah, that was a great, Holly. What was your general vibe? 0:06:21.621 --> 0:06:24.702 My general vibe was great. I was a little bit like, oh, 0:06:24.821 --> 0:06:26.662 not that much has happened, but we know we've got 0:06:26.702 --> 0:06:29.381 somewhere to go. As I say, I love being back there. 0:06:29.381 --> 0:06:32.022 I love the fashion, I love the homes. I need 0:06:32.022 --> 0:06:33.782 to talk to me about the fashion in a minute. 0:06:33.861 --> 0:06:35.181 I loved being back with them. 0:06:35.702 --> 0:06:39.141 Yeah good, I thought that the and we'll get into 0:06:39.181 --> 0:06:43.062 more detail in a sec But Miranda and the New 0:06:43.142 --> 0:06:47.061 York tourist plotline was really funny and really clever because 0:06:47.142 --> 0:06:50.382 that was the New York that we experienced with these characters, 0:06:50.501 --> 0:06:52.501 is not the New York that Jesse, a tourist has 0:06:52.582 --> 0:06:55.181 visited multiple times. And the kind of tongue in cheek 0:06:55.702 --> 0:06:58.581 specificity of where the daggy places are to go, I 0:06:58.621 --> 0:07:01.342 thought was really funny, like the eminem store and the 0:07:01.342 --> 0:07:03.981 Times Square. That was funny. 0:07:04.181 --> 0:07:08.421 So let's check in with our characters and see what 0:07:08.501 --> 0:07:11.821 happened to them in this first episode. Starting with Carrie Hole. 0:07:12.342 --> 0:07:15.141 So she's all alone in her beautiful house and at 0:07:15.142 --> 0:07:19.422 this point she is feeling positive about the break from Aidan, 0:07:19.462 --> 0:07:21.782 as in that she thinks things are going to be okay. 0:07:21.982 --> 0:07:25.622 They're sending each other blank postcards, which seems. 0:07:25.821 --> 0:07:28.382 Like a waste. It's very privileged, I'll tell you. 0:07:28.262 --> 0:07:33.102 That because they agreed. Inexplicably, they agreed no contact. I 0:07:33.102 --> 0:07:35.582 don't really remember why they agreed no contact. At the 0:07:35.662 --> 0:07:36.302 end of the last swear. 0:07:36.502 --> 0:07:37.742 I think it was just like we're going to give 0:07:37.782 --> 0:07:41.662 each other five five years, which is just so long 0:07:41.782 --> 0:07:42.782 at that period. 0:07:43.782 --> 0:07:46.262 And so she's in this beautiful house. The alarm keeps 0:07:46.262 --> 0:07:48.302 going off, which is a theme because when she first 0:07:48.381 --> 0:07:50.662 moved out of her house last time I moved into 0:07:50.702 --> 0:07:53.102 a new place, something kept beeping. So she's just a 0:07:53.142 --> 0:07:54.702 little bit can't deal with the technology. 0:07:54.862 --> 0:07:58.902 And there was also a callback to when she was 0:07:59.062 --> 0:08:01.742 running downstairs and she fell and she hurt her back. No, 0:08:01.862 --> 0:08:04.782 that happened to Miranda in an old season, remember, And 0:08:04.821 --> 0:08:05.662 then Carrie. 0:08:05.381 --> 0:08:06.582 Came out to I can't move. 0:08:06.662 --> 0:08:08.702 That was a weird scene because it looked like she'd 0:08:08.742 --> 0:08:10.422 really heard herself and she was actually fine, and I 0:08:10.502 --> 0:08:13.422 kept going just plot wise, I'm not sure why she 0:08:13.502 --> 0:08:15.461 had to fall a little easter eggie. 0:08:15.542 --> 0:08:18.182 And also they do like to do a few sort 0:08:18.182 --> 0:08:19.502 of bit of broad comedy. 0:08:20.342 --> 0:08:23.422 Lapster parker, slapstick. I think we've just got to get 0:08:23.462 --> 0:08:24.222 to the scene. 0:08:23.982 --> 0:08:24.542 Don't Okay? 0:08:24.582 --> 0:08:26.742 Can I just ask me a question about Carrie? Though 0:08:27.022 --> 0:08:29.102 I love looking at Carrie, It's one of my favorite 0:08:29.142 --> 0:08:30.941 things to do. But the question that's always in my 0:08:30.982 --> 0:08:34.182 head is would be aware that? And the hat and 0:08:34.222 --> 0:08:36.901 one of the very early scenes she's wearing this really 0:08:36.982 --> 0:08:40.662 like this bonity floppy hattie thing, and I'm just like, 0:08:40.982 --> 0:08:42.062 would mea weare that? 0:08:42.382 --> 0:08:44.222 No, But I love. 0:08:44.102 --> 0:08:46.742 Looking at it like it's you know. My top line 0:08:46.862 --> 0:08:50.982 feeling about this episode, and it seems this season is 0:08:51.022 --> 0:08:53.982 that it's back. This is Sex and the City. I 0:08:53.982 --> 0:08:56.542 think what we had in the last two seasons was 0:08:56.542 --> 0:08:58.942 a different show. I think it wasn't just. 0:08:58.942 --> 0:08:59.982 Like that it was. 0:09:00.302 --> 0:09:01.942 I think it was Sex and the City the movie 0:09:01.982 --> 0:09:03.182 three and four or something. 0:09:03.702 --> 0:09:04.822 No, I think it's I. 0:09:04.822 --> 0:09:06.302 Think it had a movie vibe. I don't think it 0:09:06.302 --> 0:09:07.822 had a Sex and the City television show, but. 0:09:07.982 --> 0:09:09.862 I think it's different. I think it was trying to 0:09:09.902 --> 0:09:11.662 be too many things. I think it was trying to 0:09:11.702 --> 0:09:14.302 answer a lot of the criticism that was made of 0:09:14.302 --> 0:09:15.142 the original show. 0:09:15.382 --> 0:09:16.782 I had a lack of diversity. 0:09:17.382 --> 0:09:20.422 It was trying to be very inclusive. 0:09:20.142 --> 0:09:21.502 Absolve its original scene. 0:09:21.662 --> 0:09:25.302 Yeah, And what came across was that it was neither thing. 0:09:25.622 --> 0:09:28.502 It didn't feel realistic as a sort of a diverse, 0:09:28.582 --> 0:09:32.342 inclusive portrayal of different types of sexualities and genders and 0:09:32.502 --> 0:09:33.622 races and religions. 0:09:33.702 --> 0:09:35.942 It felt a bit box shooting. 0:09:36.542 --> 0:09:38.542 I didn't recognize the characters like I was the same 0:09:38.582 --> 0:09:40.462 as you whole like, I love spending time with these women. 0:09:40.542 --> 0:09:43.022 And that's ultimately where I landed that I'd even though 0:09:43.062 --> 0:09:43.622 I didn't like. 0:09:43.582 --> 0:09:44.381 It, I'd watch it. 0:09:45.102 --> 0:09:48.342 But I feel that they were trying to please too 0:09:48.382 --> 0:09:50.422 many people and do too many things. You know that 0:09:50.542 --> 0:09:53.662 expression the everything bagel, when you try to make a 0:09:53.742 --> 0:09:55.822 bagel into a pizza and a cake and a taco 0:09:55.942 --> 0:09:57.262 and all of those things, and you just need it 0:09:57.302 --> 0:09:57.942 to be a bagel. 0:09:58.342 --> 0:10:01.262 It's more self aware this season in a way. That's funny. 0:10:01.342 --> 0:10:05.182 But I just need to never watch Aid and masturbating it. 0:10:05.262 --> 0:10:07.182 Okay, so let's get let's get to that. 0:10:07.382 --> 0:10:10.102 Yeah, So carry and aid and stuff off with no 0:10:10.222 --> 0:10:11.782 contact and blank postcards, but. 0:10:11.782 --> 0:10:12.982 Quite quickly start texting. 0:10:13.222 --> 0:10:13.422 Yeah. 0:10:13.622 --> 0:10:17.302 Quite quickly escalates to a late night phone call from Aiden, 0:10:17.702 --> 0:10:19.742 where he is sitting in his pickup truck because of 0:10:19.742 --> 0:10:23.502 course he is in Virginia and some field, drinking beer 0:10:23.542 --> 0:10:25.462 by himself because he can't drink beer in the house 0:10:25.502 --> 0:10:28.142 because of why at the teenager Yeah, and then he 0:10:28.262 --> 0:10:31.302 very quickly moves to phone why do. 0:10:31.422 --> 0:10:32.702 We also repulsed? 0:10:33.142 --> 0:10:35.262 I had to check myself and go, am, my agist? 0:10:35.782 --> 0:10:36.942 Is this my ageism coming? 0:10:37.062 --> 0:10:39.302 I need to check that too, because, as Mia reminded me, 0:10:39.422 --> 0:10:42.982 if you take yourself back to was it season one 0:10:43.222 --> 0:10:46.222 when we had two like that and just like that, Yeah, 0:10:46.262 --> 0:10:48.422 it was in the first episode, the first episode of 0:10:48.422 --> 0:10:51.262 season one, and just like that before Big died. That 0:10:51.462 --> 0:10:54.102 is a spoiler that I hope you're all across on 0:10:54.182 --> 0:10:59.102 the peloton. He masturbated in the bed like she asked 0:10:59.182 --> 0:11:04.022 him to or something, and that also was agree. 0:11:03.982 --> 0:11:07.262 Icky and maybe it is, agis. 0:11:07.182 --> 0:11:10.222 Maybe it is, and when we think it, Sex and 0:11:10.222 --> 0:11:12.542 City did always make us feel a bit uncomfortable. 0:11:12.662 --> 0:11:12.902 It was. 0:11:13.342 --> 0:11:15.662 It wasn't meant to be arousing as much as it 0:11:15.702 --> 0:11:18.662 was meant to be like silly and funny and taboo. 0:11:19.142 --> 0:11:23.502 But I realized through watching this phone sex scene unfold 0:11:23.862 --> 0:11:26.302 that I have the ick about Aiden and always have. 0:11:26.582 --> 0:11:29.262 I really don't find anything about him sex. 0:11:29.342 --> 0:11:31.222 That's why I'm happy that he's not around, because I 0:11:31.262 --> 0:11:35.142 think ultimately they can't have her in a long distance relationship, 0:11:35.342 --> 0:11:36.942 and I think they're sewing the scenes for that right 0:11:37.022 --> 0:11:39.342 in episode one and hold, don't you think that it's 0:11:39.422 --> 0:11:42.542 not gonna work because she's not into it and she 0:11:42.742 --> 0:11:45.662 fakes the phone sex, which I loved, where. 0:11:45.542 --> 0:11:48.182 She's like, oh, yes, that was really funny. 0:11:48.262 --> 0:11:50.502 I thought that was really funny. That was looking at 0:11:50.582 --> 0:11:53.742 Lee for comedy, and then I loved that. That then 0:11:54.222 --> 0:11:56.822 led to the classic Sex and the City scene, which 0:11:56.862 --> 0:12:00.382 is the girls around the table going I faked phone sex, 0:12:00.422 --> 0:12:02.702 and it's like, that's the dilemma that we have of 0:12:02.742 --> 0:12:05.662 the episode, and I was like, we are back, baby. 0:12:05.582 --> 0:12:07.982 Yees yeah, And it's like one of those things that 0:12:08.102 --> 0:12:10.942 everyone probably has a story like that about being something 0:12:10.982 --> 0:12:12.662 that's meant to be arousing. And then he's actually in 0:12:12.702 --> 0:12:13.262 bed next. 0:12:13.382 --> 0:12:15.822 When she tried for it, but I just he was 0:12:15.822 --> 0:12:16.742 next to you, and I had. 0:12:16.622 --> 0:12:19.742 The experience of going, carry shut up when she goes, 0:12:19.982 --> 0:12:21.862 I faked it last time, and I'm like, bitch, why 0:12:21.862 --> 0:12:24.222 are we telling him that? Why would we call him? 0:12:24.262 --> 0:12:28.022 Because she said our sex lives are the most honest 0:12:28.062 --> 0:12:30.902 thing about us, So she was like, I can't deceive him. 0:12:30.942 --> 0:12:33.102 I know, I agree with you, that's ridiculous. Don't tell 0:12:33.142 --> 0:12:33.422 him that. 0:12:33.942 --> 0:12:35.622 But she was like, our sex lives are the most 0:12:35.622 --> 0:12:37.702 honest thing about us, which is an interesting line because 0:12:37.702 --> 0:12:39.982 I don't know that everyone could say that. But I 0:12:40.142 --> 0:12:42.542 have been a defender of Aiden's at different times over 0:12:42.582 --> 0:12:44.862 the years because I quite like me a sort of 0:12:44.902 --> 0:12:47.422 schlubby carpenter, Like when he had the glow up in 0:12:47.422 --> 0:12:49.542 and I don't know what season that was, let's say fourish, 0:12:49.822 --> 0:12:52.062 he was hot there for a while. I've never felt 0:12:52.062 --> 0:12:52.822 their chemistry. 0:12:52.902 --> 0:12:55.102 Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't quite. 0:12:55.182 --> 0:12:57.542 He's just a bit too like, hey, what he licked 0:12:57.582 --> 0:12:58.062 his hand? 0:13:01.142 --> 0:13:05.302 Yeah, no, it was just do we have I feel 0:13:05.302 --> 0:13:08.342 like it's interesting because this episode was directed and written 0:13:08.382 --> 0:13:11.342 by Michael Patrick Kin Daddy and Piquet, who was the 0:13:11.662 --> 0:13:14.222 you know, not the og conceiver of the whole thing, 0:13:14.222 --> 0:13:16.182 but he's pretty much the custodian of the Sex and 0:13:16.222 --> 0:13:19.782 the City brand and has his own podcast because he's 0:13:19.822 --> 0:13:21.662 trying to cut up grass. But he's a man in 0:13:21.702 --> 0:13:24.262 his mid to late seventies now, right. But when I 0:13:24.382 --> 0:13:27.062 saw that he'd written and directed it, I thought, ah, 0:13:27.142 --> 0:13:30.222 this is a it's a recalibration of what we have. 0:13:30.382 --> 0:13:32.062 So I think we should acknowledge that a couple of 0:13:32.142 --> 0:13:35.022 characters did not come back. Shay didn't come back because 0:13:35.022 --> 0:13:38.902 the audience hated their character. They didn't like what they 0:13:38.942 --> 0:13:42.382 sort of turned Miranda into. They found them annoying. 0:13:42.662 --> 0:13:44.942 The stand up comedy was not good sound up comedy. 0:13:44.982 --> 0:13:47.062 The stand up comedy didn't work, and I don't think 0:13:47.102 --> 0:13:47.782 anyone's more. 0:13:47.862 --> 0:13:49.422 Yeah, And it was really. 0:13:49.182 --> 0:13:52.062 Tough for that actor who was a fantastic actor and 0:13:52.182 --> 0:13:56.262 was amazing in Grey's Anatomy, but they ended up having 0:13:56.302 --> 0:13:58.782 all of this backlash when they were just an actor 0:13:58.862 --> 0:13:59.502 reading a part. 0:13:59.662 --> 0:14:01.622 So they sort of fell out with the. 0:14:01.582 --> 0:14:03.862 Producers and said some things on social media, and I 0:14:03.862 --> 0:14:05.222 think everybody just agreed. 0:14:04.942 --> 0:14:05.542 To part ways. 0:14:05.782 --> 0:14:08.102 But the other character that left that also didn't have 0:14:08.142 --> 0:14:11.022 a lot to do was Naya. One of the criticisms 0:14:11.022 --> 0:14:14.702 of the earliest seasons was there's all these extra characters, 0:14:14.782 --> 0:14:17.742 and the side characters have side characters of their own, 0:14:17.782 --> 0:14:20.622 And there was a particular scene when Nia and her 0:14:20.862 --> 0:14:23.702 husband went out to dinner with their friends, and none 0:14:23.742 --> 0:14:27.302 of our ogs were even tangentially connected. And a lot 0:14:27.302 --> 0:14:29.742 of the criticism was I don't have room in my 0:14:29.782 --> 0:14:32.502 head or my heart for all of these extra care to. 0:14:33.062 --> 0:14:36.702 The core, less and deeper, which brings us to I 0:14:36.742 --> 0:14:39.062 want to talk about Miranda and the gay Bar, but 0:14:39.182 --> 0:14:40.342 first we have to go to. 0:14:40.262 --> 0:14:44.302 A quick break. Guys, Miranda fucked to none. Is there 0:14:44.422 --> 0:14:47.382 anything more? Mary the City, the. 0:14:47.422 --> 0:14:51.302 Virgin Mary, and it was Rosi o'donald. Look as a Catholic, 0:14:51.382 --> 0:14:54.502 I have questions, okay, you do, which is nuns aren't 0:14:54.502 --> 0:14:56.662 allowed to have sex with people. I was like, I 0:14:56.742 --> 0:14:59.262 understand how Miranda got to the point of thinking that 0:14:59.502 --> 0:15:02.862 she was leaving the convent. I thought, where is your convent? 0:15:03.342 --> 0:15:05.422 You're not wearing a habit. I understand that that's not 0:15:05.422 --> 0:15:08.982 how nun's dressed anymore, But you're not allowed was darling. 0:15:09.022 --> 0:15:11.262 She she was having a crisis. She just this is 0:15:11.262 --> 0:15:12.862 something she wants to hire and wants. 0:15:12.942 --> 0:15:14.182 Going to have her back. 0:15:15.022 --> 0:15:17.182 I'll always have you back, Jesse, have you met God? 0:15:17.422 --> 0:15:20.902 I have a feeling, because it's Rosie o'donald that we 0:15:20.982 --> 0:15:22.582 haven't seen the end of Mary, don't you think? 0:15:22.662 --> 0:15:25.182 I hope so, I can't believe it's Rosie o'donald. 0:15:25.222 --> 0:15:27.502 I loved the scene where Miranda was in the bar 0:15:28.062 --> 0:15:30.862 and this hot young woman's waving at her carries like 0:15:30.902 --> 0:15:33.622 go get it bye, and she like walks over there 0:15:33.622 --> 0:15:37.702 and it's like used to be Brady's baby's there and 0:15:37.782 --> 0:15:42.262 she's like, oh, modifying, I'm a lesbian now like mortify. 0:15:42.342 --> 0:15:42.782 I loved it. 0:15:43.022 --> 0:15:45.462 I loved Miranda with the red hair. I loved Miranda. 0:15:45.542 --> 0:15:49.342 Dating Miranda seemed to me back to Miranda because another 0:15:49.382 --> 0:15:52.742 criticism in season one and a little bit into as well, 0:15:53.142 --> 0:15:57.022 is that Miranda, who was ow capable, you know, together 0:15:57.502 --> 0:16:01.142 independent feminist, suddenly didn't know what a podcast was. And 0:16:01.982 --> 0:16:05.062 that can happen, you know, midlife people can lose their mojo. 0:16:05.582 --> 0:16:06.742 I don't know, I just liked it. 0:16:06.822 --> 0:16:09.782 I like seeing her back too, and I really I'm 0:16:09.822 --> 0:16:13.822 not gonna mourn chay Naya. I kind of liked, but 0:16:14.182 --> 0:16:15.582 I agree with you that I want to be with 0:16:15.622 --> 0:16:18.382 my people, and also I really like Lisa and her husband, 0:16:18.462 --> 0:16:21.102 so I'm very happy to hang out with them. One 0:16:21.102 --> 0:16:23.462 of the sad characters that I generally love is Anthony, 0:16:23.862 --> 0:16:27.502 because I love Charlotte and Anthony's relationship and the fact 0:16:27.502 --> 0:16:30.422 that they've been besties forever. It's very authentic and that. 0:16:30.822 --> 0:16:34.462 I liked how Lily the kids went to the ballet 0:16:34.582 --> 0:16:36.382 with Anthony boyfriend and Carrie. 0:16:36.422 --> 0:16:37.342 That was so cute. 0:16:37.462 --> 0:16:41.422 I love an extended, like fake family situation with the 0:16:41.702 --> 0:16:43.702 He's obviously going to be a handful with the hot 0:16:43.702 --> 0:16:44.702 male ballet answer. 0:16:44.942 --> 0:16:47.182 Yes, yes, I liked what that was warming up. 0:16:47.102 --> 0:16:50.182 For with Lisa I liked the self awareness around the 0:16:50.182 --> 0:16:52.582 Michelle Obama land. I thought that was really funny to 0:16:52.702 --> 0:16:54.982 kind of have these black women who are doing this 0:16:55.062 --> 0:16:57.182 really exciting project and it's like it can't even be 0:16:57.262 --> 0:16:59.862 conceived of without Michelle Obama. I just felt, and then 0:16:59.902 --> 0:17:03.062 I went, are we setting up for a Michelle Obama came? I, Oh, 0:17:04.902 --> 0:17:07.141 I don't reckon, you can jop. I half expected her 0:17:07.182 --> 0:17:09.502 to walk into that thing where George Washington her husband's 0:17:09.622 --> 0:17:12.061 us to seeing, which was lovely, and turn around and 0:17:12.061 --> 0:17:12.942 there's Michelle Obama. 0:17:13.022 --> 0:17:13.662 You're right. 0:17:14.022 --> 0:17:14.862 I think you're right. 0:17:14.901 --> 0:17:17.022 I think there are going to be some amazing cameos 0:17:17.502 --> 0:17:21.022 in this season. And I love that character. I love 0:17:21.141 --> 0:17:24.582 the relationship she has with her husband. 0:17:25.621 --> 0:17:29.942 If your husband or your boyfriend, Tolly, if you were 0:17:29.942 --> 0:17:32.982 in a work presentation that was really important and they 0:17:33.022 --> 0:17:35.382