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Speaker 2: From MoMA may I. Welcome to the Spell, your daily

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Speaker 1: I'm m Burnam and I'm Laura Brednick. I love how

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Speaker 1: we're just excited by that back we're back together, and

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Speaker 1: a full docket today. We do so. Netflix has released

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Speaker 1: their list of the most watched TV shows and movies

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Speaker 1: for this year. Megan Markle is getting absolutely raked over

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Speaker 1: the coals for the performance of her show. People are

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Speaker 1: laughing at her, people are saying terrible things. Okay, a

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Speaker 1: so we'll get into that. Plus I love her. You

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Speaker 1: don't even know, well, I don't know about your segment

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Speaker 1: because you're going to tell me about some scandalous YouTube

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Speaker 2: We're going deep into. The twenty twenty eleven to twenty

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited about that. I'm riginally on the edge

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Speaker 1: of my large velvet chair that I said, I get

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Speaker 1: to teach you something I know, I was excited. But first,

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Speaker 1: so this week Emily and I were sitting together in

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Speaker 1: the Mum Mirror office putting together a presentation that we're

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Speaker 1: doing soon, very professional of us, and as we finished,

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Speaker 1: I said, Emily, I saved a photo this week that

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Speaker 1: too silly, it's too low brow. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: do it. But like, this is the photo and I

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Speaker 2: We're doing this on the pod because I've never experienced

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Speaker 2: photo in zero point two seconds.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so the photo one question. It has been

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Speaker 2: But we're like, we definitely didn't think we'd be doing this. No,

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so finger on the poles. We're doing it now,

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Speaker 1: but that's fine, just go with us. So the photo

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Speaker 1: Emily Vernon showed actors and directors and also real life

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Speaker 1: married couple Dave Franco, the other Franco brother, and Alison

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Speaker 1: They're sitting together on a blanket in the middle of

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Speaker 1: sitting close together. They're obviously madly in love. And what

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Speaker 1: kind of He's sitting behind Alison Brie and his leg

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Speaker 1: is just very casually, very lovingly clipping his toenails, and

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Speaker 2: A lot of people forget that Alison Brie and Dave

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Speaker 1: But I'll never forget. I think about it every day.

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Speaker 2: They are both comedy geniuses. They've come from massive, massive

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Speaker 2: shows Deve Franco of being James Rnko's brother and a

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Speaker 2: They've been in each other's life for a really really

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Speaker 2: and this was like the couple in Hollywood that I

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Speaker 1: Yes. And then I saw this photo, okay, and.

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Speaker 2: It made me very upset. Okay, why Firstly, they're a

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Speaker 1: Rich people need oxygen as well, Yeah, they could.

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Speaker 2: You don't clip your own toenails in a park let

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Speaker 2: me lying under a tree reading. I'm reading The Great

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Speaker 2: Where would that come from? And then I see in

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Speaker 1: In the video she's pulling the toenail and throwing it

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. But the raccoons and the squirrels, is

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Speaker 2: I just think that is something you don't ever do

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Speaker 1: The world is very much on your side. People are horrified.

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Speaker 1: People think it's disgusting. Don't make me defend David frank Gross,

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Speaker 1: I must say people do think it's potentially a publicity

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's meant to amazing. The two of them make

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Speaker 1: but I don't think clipping a partner's tone els is gross.

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Speaker 1: So Netflix, who very famously doesn't really provide a lot

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Speaker 1: if it was like higher up the list, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: far down. But at the end of the day, she

431
00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:38,784
Speaker 1: got the money and she got the kick back to

432
00:18:38,824 --> 00:18:39,544
Speaker 1: her product line.

433
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just her haters, right seeing her at

434
00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:45,304
Speaker 2: the bottom of the list and going haha, yeah exactly,

435
00:18:45,384 --> 00:18:47,864
Speaker 2: exactly like that, and then they just like like blocking

436
00:18:47,904 --> 00:18:49,384
Speaker 2: their ears of everything else that's going on.

437
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Speaker 1: Well exactly. There's so many shows in there, like in

438
00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:53,744
Speaker 1: the mix that like have had a huge amount of

439
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Speaker 1: money behind and that also ten. And it's also.

440
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Speaker 2: Highly competitive, right, like Netflix releases so much content, like

441
00:19:00,664 --> 00:19:03,784
Speaker 2: and if this list is literally Netflix's shows competing with

442
00:19:03,864 --> 00:19:07,384
Speaker 2: each other, so obviously there's going to be like shows

443
00:19:07,424 --> 00:19:09,984
Speaker 2: that you really really love that are well on the

444
00:19:09,984 --> 00:19:13,864
Speaker 2: bottom running point up there or not in the top

445
00:19:13,904 --> 00:19:14,784
Speaker 2: ten in.

446
00:19:17,584 --> 00:19:19,104
Speaker 1: So we can do a brilliant review and then make

447
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Speaker 1: it top Yeah exactly for next time. So super interesting

448
00:19:22,104 --> 00:19:23,744
Speaker 1: to see all the data. And as much as everyone's

449
00:19:23,784 --> 00:19:26,664
Speaker 1: kind of demonizing Megan Markle today, she always leans on

450
00:19:26,664 --> 00:19:32,464
Speaker 1: her feet. I'll say that so far, she's guys, She's fine.

451
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start this off with a story.

452
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well I'm just getting comfeet. Okay, I'm good,

453
00:19:36,904 --> 00:19:37,224
Speaker 1: I'm good.

454
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Speaker 2: We're taking her back to twenty and eleven. Oh okay,

455
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Speaker 2: I am. I think around like fourteen, fifteen years old.

456
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Speaker 2: I'm at school. I'm ready to go home because I

457
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:52,424
Speaker 2: have things to do. Yeah, I get home from school.

458
00:19:52,784 --> 00:19:55,904
Speaker 2: Usually usually I get home from school and I turn

459
00:19:55,944 --> 00:19:58,544
Speaker 2: on the TV and they either watch Disney Channel or Nickelodeon.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah it's different today, there's been a switch. I get

461
00:20:03,224 --> 00:20:06,344
Speaker 2: home and the first thing I do is open my

462
00:20:06,464 --> 00:20:08,664
Speaker 2: little laptop and watch YouTube.

463
00:20:09,104 --> 00:20:11,104
Speaker 1: Wow, and what are you watch it on YouTube?

464
00:20:11,144 --> 00:20:16,304
Speaker 2: Okay? I have eight videos to get through from eight

465
00:20:16,544 --> 00:20:19,464
Speaker 2: different people. And this is exactly what everyone in my

466
00:20:19,544 --> 00:20:23,184
Speaker 2: generation during twenty eleven to around two thousand and fourteen

467
00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:26,704
Speaker 2: fifteen were doing every day after school, was just watching

468
00:20:26,824 --> 00:20:32,704
Speaker 2: these YouTubers. Now, these YouTubers are called the Brit Crew.

469
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Speaker 2: Have you heard of the Brit Crew?

470
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Speaker 1: I mean that name is definitely familiar, but I'm not

471
00:20:36,984 --> 00:20:39,344
Speaker 1: across their law, or their history or even all the

472
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Speaker 1: members involved.

473
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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is probably like peak YouTube, where YouTube

474
00:20:44,424 --> 00:20:46,904
Speaker 2: turned from something that you would take videos of, like

475
00:20:47,144 --> 00:20:50,304
Speaker 2: people making pranks on other people, people doing skits with

476
00:20:50,344 --> 00:20:52,744
Speaker 2: other people, and you'd show your friends to more of

477
00:20:52,864 --> 00:20:56,224
Speaker 2: like a cultural zygeist of this is part of my

478
00:20:56,344 --> 00:20:58,744
Speaker 2: day now, it's like watching my YouTube shows and then

479
00:20:58,784 --> 00:21:00,784
Speaker 2: I go to bed and do everything else. So it

480
00:21:00,904 --> 00:21:03,704
Speaker 2: ended up it became this thing where we swapped watching

481
00:21:03,744 --> 00:21:06,984
Speaker 2: TV after school to watching YouTube channels after school. And

482
00:21:07,064 --> 00:21:10,104
Speaker 2: brit Crew was made up of these eight early twenty

483
00:21:10,424 --> 00:21:13,144
Speaker 2: some of them were like late teens, these eight individuals

484
00:21:13,144 --> 00:21:16,624
Speaker 2: who were all British, and they started to do something

485
00:21:16,664 --> 00:21:19,544
Speaker 2: different to all the other YouTubers. Instead of like making

486
00:21:19,584 --> 00:21:22,264
Speaker 2: skits and doing prank videos and doing these really curated

487
00:21:22,624 --> 00:21:26,584
Speaker 2: videographer kind of directoral videos, they just started to show

488
00:21:26,624 --> 00:21:30,184
Speaker 2: their lives and they started making millions of just sharing

489
00:21:30,264 --> 00:21:34,064
Speaker 2: their personal life. Yeah, and they were so ahead of

490
00:21:34,104 --> 00:21:36,504
Speaker 2: the curve. So you know how now we have beauty

491
00:21:36,584 --> 00:21:39,664
Speaker 2: influencers who do like makeup reviews and do brand deals.

492
00:21:40,064 --> 00:21:42,544
Speaker 2: Think about back in the day where there were before

493
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Speaker 2: any legalities around that, and like a YouTuber could sell

494
00:21:48,144 --> 00:21:51,144
Speaker 2: a mascara and there's no legalities of them having to

495
00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:53,304
Speaker 2: say this is sponsored, this is spon con.

496
00:21:53,304 --> 00:21:55,544
Speaker 1: Right, they could they could just be like a recommendation

497
00:21:55,624 --> 00:21:57,064
Speaker 1: and then raking all the money behind them.

498
00:21:57,064 --> 00:21:58,944
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what they were doing because like it

499
00:21:59,104 --> 00:22:01,384
Speaker 2: just didn't bring that. It didn't exist stright like the

500
00:22:01,424 --> 00:22:03,144
Speaker 2: governments had to catch up after their death.

501
00:22:03,184 --> 00:22:06,424
Speaker 1: And no one saw YouTubers like a legitimate business or

502
00:22:06,464 --> 00:22:09,224
Speaker 1: like legitimate personalities, I mean, aside from the fans who

503
00:22:09,264 --> 00:22:10,824
Speaker 1: were watching it, so no one thought they had to

504
00:22:10,864 --> 00:22:12,304
Speaker 1: be regulated at this exactly.

505
00:22:12,344 --> 00:22:14,024
Speaker 2: And then these guys were just doing it. And these

506
00:22:14,024 --> 00:22:17,944
Speaker 2: are teenagers making millions of their videos and also getting

507
00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:22,744
Speaker 2: millions of views. So what was fascinating about this group

508
00:22:22,824 --> 00:22:26,584
Speaker 2: of brick Crew guys was that they literally were doing

509
00:22:26,904 --> 00:22:28,904
Speaker 2: like I'm not even exagerate when I say that the

510
00:22:29,064 --> 00:22:32,384
Speaker 2: shittest content, like the worst content, but it was just

511
00:22:32,424 --> 00:22:35,584
Speaker 2: so new and fresh, and they became these massive celebrities

512
00:22:35,584 --> 00:22:37,464
Speaker 2: in my head that they were just like all I

513
00:22:37,464 --> 00:22:39,224
Speaker 2: could talk about, all my friends could talk about. It

514
00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:40,744
Speaker 2: felt like we were there with them, kind of like

515
00:22:40,784 --> 00:22:43,704
Speaker 2: how people feel towards podcasters and influencers. Now.

516
00:22:43,784 --> 00:22:46,944
Speaker 1: They were like the og that very intense parasocial relationship.

517
00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:49,304
Speaker 1: And was it also that like I know, obviously like

518
00:22:49,384 --> 00:22:51,864
Speaker 1: Nickelooney and Disney Channel and stuff was super entertaining. But

519
00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:54,504
Speaker 1: you're watching that, I'm assuming like on the family TV

520
00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:57,344
Speaker 1: in the living room. It's made by adults and then

521
00:22:57,384 --> 00:23:00,304
Speaker 1: it's been given to you, Whereas was there something kind

522
00:23:00,304 --> 00:23:01,704
Speaker 1: of like did it make you feel like a bit

523
00:23:01,744 --> 00:23:03,584
Speaker 1: rebellious that you were going into your room on the

524
00:23:03,624 --> 00:23:06,984
Speaker 1: computer watching content that was made by another teenager, like

525
00:23:07,304 --> 00:23:10,264
Speaker 1: it's chatting out all the middleman, all the parents and everything.

526
00:23:10,024 --> 00:23:11,744
Speaker 2: And it felt just more real. Where it's like you

527
00:23:11,784 --> 00:23:14,904
Speaker 2: definitely knew even as a kid that like the Miley

528
00:23:14,984 --> 00:23:18,864
Speaker 2: Cyrus and the drag Bells were like still actors and

529
00:23:18,904 --> 00:23:20,864
Speaker 2: they were still off this level that you couldn't reach,

530
00:23:20,944 --> 00:23:23,744
Speaker 2: Whereas like these YouTubers felt accessible, They felt like my friends,

531
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Speaker 2: They felt like they knew what was going on in

532
00:23:25,544 --> 00:23:27,944
Speaker 2: my life. Vice versa such a cool kid, I.

533
00:23:27,984 --> 00:23:30,144
Speaker 1: Was, Yeah, So I want to tell you really cutting it,

534
00:23:30,264 --> 00:23:31,344
Speaker 1: I know, maybe we wouldn't have been.

535
00:23:31,384 --> 00:23:33,344
Speaker 2: I want to tell you about the members because what's

536
00:23:33,384 --> 00:23:35,024
Speaker 2: happened now, and why I want to talk about this

537
00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:39,264
Speaker 2: now is that a two part documentary series on the

538
00:23:39,344 --> 00:23:43,384
Speaker 2: Brick Crew has been released by someone who was kind

539
00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:46,064
Speaker 2: of in the Brick Crew but towards the end before

540
00:23:46,144 --> 00:23:49,144
Speaker 2: they just kind of dissipated. His name is Josh Peters,

541
00:23:49,224 --> 00:23:52,704
Speaker 2: and he might sound familiar because he did that documentary

542
00:23:52,944 --> 00:23:55,144
Speaker 2: on that only fans creator who slept with one hundred

543
00:23:55,144 --> 00:23:57,584
Speaker 2: men in the day. Oh yes, so everyone knows him

544
00:23:57,624 --> 00:23:59,424
Speaker 2: from that, but I knew him from the Brick Crew

545
00:23:59,504 --> 00:24:01,264
Speaker 2: days and I was like, Josh, what are you doing here?

546
00:24:01,264 --> 00:24:01,944
Speaker 1: Like I know you, sir.

547
00:24:04,984 --> 00:24:06,704
Speaker 2: So he's on the tail end of the Brick Crew,

548
00:24:06,704 --> 00:24:08,304
Speaker 2: which is why I think he felt like he couldn't

549
00:24:08,304 --> 00:24:10,544
Speaker 2: make this documentary because he wasn't fully in it, and

550
00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:12,584
Speaker 2: he tried to make it while also still being friends

551
00:24:12,624 --> 00:24:15,304
Speaker 2: with them and stuff like that. So the Brick Crew,

552
00:24:15,664 --> 00:24:17,464
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who have kind of come

553
00:24:17,504 --> 00:24:19,944
Speaker 2: in and out, but I want to talk about the

554
00:24:20,024 --> 00:24:23,504
Speaker 2: eight main ones. So we have Zoe, sug and Alfie

555
00:24:23,584 --> 00:24:29,264
Speaker 2: Days okay, the King and Queen of the Brick Crew,

556
00:24:29,384 --> 00:24:32,224
Speaker 2: the G's. So they're a couple. They didn't start off

557
00:24:32,264 --> 00:24:34,104
Speaker 2: as a couple. They became a couple. It was like

558
00:24:34,104 --> 00:24:36,664
Speaker 2: this whole big deal when it was found out they

559
00:24:36,664 --> 00:24:39,344
Speaker 2: were a couple because like Jim, who's another member, like

560
00:24:39,384 --> 00:24:42,384
Speaker 2: accidentally posted a photo of Zoe's laptop which had them

561
00:24:42,464 --> 00:24:45,144
Speaker 2: kissing on the background, and that's how everyone found out

562
00:24:45,144 --> 00:24:45,784
Speaker 2: they were a couple.

563
00:24:46,784 --> 00:24:49,784
Speaker 1: Content careers, did they wish that they could wish could

564
00:24:49,904 --> 00:24:51,104
Speaker 1: create drama like that.

565
00:24:51,624 --> 00:24:53,624
Speaker 2: Speaking of Jim So, he was also in the Brick

566
00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:56,784
Speaker 2: Crew with his partner Tanya Burg. They were like a

567
00:24:56,824 --> 00:24:59,544
Speaker 2: couple of friends with Zoe and Alfie. They got married,

568
00:24:59,624 --> 00:25:02,624
Speaker 2: it was like all over like YouTube, like their whole

569
00:25:02,664 --> 00:25:05,944
Speaker 2: life journey. They actually got divorced shortly after they got married,

570
00:25:05,944 --> 00:25:09,344
Speaker 2: which was massive. They had massive statements out there. Another

571
00:25:09,384 --> 00:25:12,304
Speaker 2: couple friend was Marcus Butler and his partner and Naomi.

572
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,784
Speaker 2: They were also together for a long time. They also separated,

573
00:25:16,064 --> 00:25:17,304
Speaker 2: just same deal.

574
00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:19,704
Speaker 1: Massive rough out there. What fame will do to you rough.

575
00:25:19,744 --> 00:25:22,784
Speaker 2: We then have Zoe's brother, Joe sug.

576
00:25:22,704 --> 00:25:24,664
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, and ward of him.

577
00:25:25,184 --> 00:25:26,704
Speaker 2: I would have heard of him because he was on

578
00:25:26,944 --> 00:25:28,184
Speaker 2: UK's Dancing with the Stars.

579
00:25:28,504 --> 00:25:30,944
Speaker 1: So now he don't think that's why.

580
00:25:32,144 --> 00:25:34,584
Speaker 2: She's become a big celebrity now, like he's on British

581
00:25:34,624 --> 00:25:37,144
Speaker 2: bake Off, like he's doing all the reality stuff now.

582
00:25:37,464 --> 00:25:40,344
Speaker 2: And his roommate Casper Lee, who was like the biggest

583
00:25:40,344 --> 00:25:42,704
Speaker 2: YouTuber out of all of them before they created this group.

584
00:25:43,104 --> 00:25:46,224
Speaker 2: So they all started off as like individual YouTubers and

585
00:25:46,264 --> 00:25:49,104
Speaker 2: then they realized to grow you have to also connect

586
00:25:49,104 --> 00:25:52,144
Speaker 2: with other YouTubers who are bigger than you make content

587
00:25:52,224 --> 00:25:54,064
Speaker 2: with them so they can put on their channels and

588
00:25:54,064 --> 00:25:56,024
Speaker 2: then you can grow kind of like how TikTok influencers

589
00:25:56,024 --> 00:25:56,584
Speaker 2: do it now.

590
00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:57,984
Speaker 1: They go and cross each other, and I know that

591
00:25:57,984 --> 00:26:00,624
Speaker 1: there's lots of little pockets in different countries, like Australia

592
00:26:00,704 --> 00:26:02,344
Speaker 1: had that there was a time when like all these

593
00:26:02,384 --> 00:26:06,584
Speaker 1: different influencers came together as one big unit to farm

594
00:26:06,624 --> 00:26:09,264
Speaker 1: each other's audiences. They knew that people were more engaged

595
00:26:09,264 --> 00:26:11,304
Speaker 1: in seeing them together. And I think that's what all

596
00:26:11,304 --> 00:26:14,224
Speaker 1: those TikTok content houses are now, right, Like they're a

597
00:26:14,264 --> 00:26:16,344
Speaker 1: more formalized version of that. And I know those do

598
00:26:16,424 --> 00:26:18,584
Speaker 1: really good numbers, but I feel like it doesn't because

599
00:26:18,624 --> 00:26:20,544
Speaker 1: people know that you come into the house and you

600
00:26:20,584 --> 00:26:22,664
Speaker 1: like book your room and you spend the whole time

601
00:26:22,704 --> 00:26:26,784
Speaker 1: doing content. Like again, it feels too sanitized to go

602
00:26:26,824 --> 00:26:30,584
Speaker 1: back and recreate these kids doing it by themselves exactly.

603
00:26:30,744 --> 00:26:33,824
Speaker 2: And they also didn't at the time, didn't realize how

604
00:26:33,864 --> 00:26:37,224
Speaker 2: big they were. So in the documentary, Josh Peters tries

605
00:26:37,264 --> 00:26:40,104
Speaker 2: and interviews all the members because he wants to get

606
00:26:40,144 --> 00:26:43,104
Speaker 2: down to like the point of like how did the

607
00:26:43,104 --> 00:26:46,784
Speaker 2: brick crew become this massive thing doing like these massive

608
00:26:46,824 --> 00:26:48,984
Speaker 2: events kind of like Comic Con, that like level of

609
00:26:49,024 --> 00:26:50,824
Speaker 2: events they would do, and all they would do is

610
00:26:50,904 --> 00:26:53,104
Speaker 2: literally just say hi to people on stage. Yeah, because

611
00:26:53,104 --> 00:26:54,944
Speaker 2: everything else they did was like in their bedroom, wanting

612
00:26:55,024 --> 00:26:56,704
Speaker 2: us to change, Like how do you convert that into

613
00:26:56,704 --> 00:26:59,504
Speaker 2: real life? So doing these like massive events, like gaining

614
00:26:59,544 --> 00:27:02,464
Speaker 2: these millions and millions of views, they would literally walk

615
00:27:02,504 --> 00:27:04,904
Speaker 2: down the street and the street would literally have to

616
00:27:04,904 --> 00:27:06,784
Speaker 2: have police to block it because people would just be

617
00:27:06,904 --> 00:27:07,624
Speaker 2: following them.

618
00:27:07,824 --> 00:27:10,664
Speaker 1: That is just wild, Like yeah, yeah.

619
00:27:10,384 --> 00:27:12,664
Speaker 2: And now they are much better because now they're like

620
00:27:12,704 --> 00:27:15,064
Speaker 2: full blown adults in their thirties, They're like much better

621
00:27:15,064 --> 00:27:17,504
Speaker 2: at being private. A lot of them still post on YouTube,

622
00:27:17,664 --> 00:27:19,384
Speaker 2: a lot of them have moved to different countries and

623
00:27:19,384 --> 00:27:22,544
Speaker 2: are doing something completely different and are completely offline. But

624
00:27:22,744 --> 00:27:25,664
Speaker 2: what Josh wanted to do was like see how the

625
00:27:25,664 --> 00:27:29,264
Speaker 2: brit crew transformed and also what happened to them, because

626
00:27:29,464 --> 00:27:31,424
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they just kind of dissipated the

627
00:27:31,624 --> 00:27:34,664
Speaker 2: whole crew. And it happened during a time when I

628
00:27:34,704 --> 00:27:37,984
Speaker 2: stopped watching because I obviously grew up. I started watching

629
00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:40,944
Speaker 2: different things, and then I tapped back in recently because

630
00:27:40,944 --> 00:27:42,304
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I didn't know these

631
00:27:42,344 --> 00:27:43,784
Speaker 2: guys are still making videos.

632
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:45,304
Speaker 1: Is one of my friends up to Zoey and Alfie

633
00:27:45,384 --> 00:27:47,624
Speaker 1: have two kids. Yeah, isn't one of them called Otterly

634
00:27:47,904 --> 00:27:50,984
Speaker 1: and that and that was a huge skiff that when

635
00:27:51,024 --> 00:27:54,624
Speaker 1: it happened. That's just a beautiful name for sure. And

636
00:27:54,704 --> 00:27:57,904
Speaker 1: the other one is nov Okay. Sorry, those actually the greatest.

637
00:27:57,864 --> 00:28:01,384
Speaker 2: Beautiful names and cute girls. It's like one of those

638
00:28:01,424 --> 00:28:04,264
Speaker 2: like families where you're like, oh, that's what I want.

639
00:28:04,904 --> 00:28:07,864
Speaker 2: And the million dollar mansion that they would have made

640
00:28:07,904 --> 00:28:09,784
Speaker 2: the money on from when they were nineteen years old.

641
00:28:09,864 --> 00:28:11,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's now kind of set forever because of

642
00:28:12,064 --> 00:28:14,664
Speaker 1: all the forever fame and the wealth of their recruit

643
00:28:14,704 --> 00:28:17,384
Speaker 1: to manage to hold onto all of them really questionable

644
00:28:17,424 --> 00:28:18,704
Speaker 1: how much they film their kids.

645
00:28:18,744 --> 00:28:21,504
Speaker 2: But yeah, I actually do think they're pulling back on

646
00:28:21,504 --> 00:28:23,944
Speaker 2: that because I've noticed in recent photos Zoe's posting, she

647
00:28:23,944 --> 00:28:26,784
Speaker 2: hasn't been posting her older girl's face Ottie's face.

648
00:28:26,984 --> 00:28:29,384
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I guess again, because they're the pioneers in

649
00:28:29,384 --> 00:28:30,904
Speaker 1: that space, they would have just been like, well, we

650
00:28:30,984 --> 00:28:32,864
Speaker 1: share our lives and all these people love us, why

651
00:28:32,904 --> 00:28:34,824
Speaker 1: wouldn't we show our kids because they're with us all

652
00:28:34,864 --> 00:28:37,304
Speaker 1: the time and they're the biggest part of our life.

653
00:28:37,384 --> 00:28:39,624
Speaker 1: So I get that, but I guess as time goes on,

654
00:28:39,664 --> 00:28:42,024
Speaker 1: people are becoming more aware of how dangerous that is

655
00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:43,744
Speaker 1: and they're starting to pull back a little bit. Yeah,

656
00:28:43,984 --> 00:28:45,624
Speaker 1: it's just kind of hard when you're on the front lines,

657
00:28:45,664 --> 00:28:47,464
Speaker 1: like you're the first one doing a lot of this stuff.

658
00:28:47,664 --> 00:28:50,464
Speaker 2: What I noticed when I started rewatching them again was

659
00:28:50,464 --> 00:28:54,464
Speaker 2: that the tonus shifted right because every second video it'd

660
00:28:54,464 --> 00:28:56,664
Speaker 2: be like the crew together, or like one person from

661
00:28:56,664 --> 00:28:58,664
Speaker 2: the crew with Zoe and Alfie, or Zoe and Alfi

662
00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:00,944
Speaker 2: going to like Marcus is ours Jim and Marcus and

663
00:29:00,984 --> 00:29:04,024
Speaker 2: Alfi doing stuff together, and they're very much siloed, and

664
00:29:04,064 --> 00:29:06,784
Speaker 2: it seems like that they not only aren't friends anymore,

665
00:29:06,824 --> 00:29:10,344
Speaker 2: but they just completely acknowledge that whole period of their life.

666
00:29:10,544 --> 00:29:14,184
Speaker 2: So Josh wanted to investigate what happened during that by

667
00:29:14,264 --> 00:29:17,704
Speaker 2: interviewing people. What was really interesting was that he included

668
00:29:17,744 --> 00:29:20,744
Speaker 2: screenshots of messages he was sending Zoe and Alfie to

669
00:29:20,744 --> 00:29:23,224
Speaker 2: see if they would be interviewed, and they just never

670
00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:24,064
Speaker 2: applied to him.

671
00:29:24,144 --> 00:29:26,984
Speaker 1: That is sorry, that's incredible access for us to kind

672
00:29:27,024 --> 00:29:28,784
Speaker 1: of sad that, but I guess he also wanted to

673
00:29:28,824 --> 00:29:30,144
Speaker 1: show that he was trying to include.

674
00:29:30,304 --> 00:29:31,464
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like, I just want to hear

675
00:29:31,504 --> 00:29:33,984
Speaker 2: your guys side of the story. It's hard to tell

676
00:29:34,144 --> 00:29:37,664
Speaker 2: who Alfie and Zoe are still friends with. But this

677
00:29:37,824 --> 00:29:41,144
Speaker 2: whole thing the one question that everyone wants to know.

678
00:29:41,184 --> 00:29:43,144
Speaker 2: And you're gonna laugh at this because they've taken it

679
00:29:43,184 --> 00:29:45,464
Speaker 2: so seriously. So I want to talk about Jim and

680
00:29:45,504 --> 00:29:47,704
Speaker 2: Tanya Burr, who the ones who were married and then

681
00:29:47,704 --> 00:29:48,864
Speaker 2: got divorced quickly.

682
00:29:48,624 --> 00:29:50,504
Speaker 1: After how long will they married? Just a few months?

683
00:29:50,544 --> 00:29:53,264
Speaker 2: I reckon it was like under a year? Yeah, so

684
00:29:53,504 --> 00:29:56,104
Speaker 2: when they had statements about that, yeah, and they both

685
00:29:56,104 --> 00:29:58,104
Speaker 2: have new partners and they both have kids with their

686
00:29:58,144 --> 00:30:00,944
Speaker 2: new partners. Okay, so it seems very weird because for me,

687
00:30:00,984 --> 00:30:02,904
Speaker 2: it's like mum and dad have divorced and now they

688
00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:05,424
Speaker 2: have kids and now they don't acknowledge each other at all.

689
00:30:06,424 --> 00:30:10,184
Speaker 2: When they were together, they had a dash out they.

690
00:30:10,184 --> 00:30:13,384
Speaker 1: Might okay, that already funny.

691
00:30:13,584 --> 00:30:15,944
Speaker 2: They had a dash out named Martha. They got divorce,

692
00:30:16,304 --> 00:30:19,664
Speaker 2: they put the statement out. Since then, Martha has not

693
00:30:19,704 --> 00:30:20,144
Speaker 2: been seen.

694
00:30:20,184 --> 00:30:22,824
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Martha is a casualty of the breakup.

695
00:30:23,624 --> 00:30:27,984
Speaker 2: Every single comment on all of Tanya Burr's post is

696
00:30:28,064 --> 00:30:31,384
Speaker 2: where is Martha to the point where people think she's

697
00:30:31,424 --> 00:30:34,424
Speaker 2: gone in her back end and automatically blocks words that

698
00:30:34,544 --> 00:30:36,624
Speaker 2: say dashound Martha dog.

699
00:30:37,064 --> 00:30:39,744
Speaker 1: But like, surely one of them took the dog or

700
00:30:39,784 --> 00:30:40,784
Speaker 1: do you think it was too painful?

701
00:30:40,784 --> 00:30:43,824
Speaker 2: They had think Birr took the dog. I'm not even

702
00:30:43,904 --> 00:30:46,504
Speaker 2: joking when I say this. There was a hashtag that

703
00:30:46,624 --> 00:30:49,584
Speaker 2: was trending for like a year and it was hashtag

704
00:30:49,624 --> 00:30:55,064
Speaker 2: wears the hound. No, but seriously, so Tanya actually declined

705
00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:56,184
Speaker 2: to be interviewed by Josh.

706
00:30:56,264 --> 00:30:58,624
Speaker 1: She said it was not Martha's bodies, like in the

707
00:30:58,624 --> 00:30:59,304
Speaker 1: backyard something.

708
00:30:59,344 --> 00:31:02,504
Speaker 2: There were some really awful rumors around like what happened

709
00:31:02,824 --> 00:31:05,984
Speaker 2: with Tanya Burr, which I really feel for her because

710
00:31:06,024 --> 00:31:08,824
Speaker 2: I really loved her, I really loved her content. What

711
00:31:08,904 --> 00:31:11,104
Speaker 2: she did was she moved away from you completely and

712
00:31:11,144 --> 00:31:13,224
Speaker 2: wanted to take on acting. She kind of had a

713
00:31:13,264 --> 00:31:16,144
Speaker 2: Megan Markle edit where people were just finding videos of

714
00:31:16,144 --> 00:31:18,144
Speaker 2: her acting and plays and stuff and going, how shit

715
00:31:18,264 --> 00:31:21,064
Speaker 2: is this? Like she cheated on Jim. It's so obvious,

716
00:31:21,104 --> 00:31:24,624
Speaker 2: like making up really awful rumors, and one of the

717
00:31:24,624 --> 00:31:27,664
Speaker 2: big ones was like where the hell is Martha? So

718
00:31:28,424 --> 00:31:31,584
Speaker 2: Josh did manage to get an interview with Jim okay,

719
00:31:31,664 --> 00:31:34,744
Speaker 2: and he was like, where's Martha the first.

720
00:31:34,504 --> 00:31:38,544
Speaker 1: Time he's asked a question?

721
00:31:39,504 --> 00:31:41,984
Speaker 2: And Jim was like, it's become this big thing, and

722
00:31:42,064 --> 00:31:45,744
Speaker 2: he said and this really annoyed me about Jim. He

723
00:31:45,944 --> 00:31:49,624
Speaker 2: was like, I feel like I can't say because it's

724
00:31:49,664 --> 00:31:51,984
Speaker 2: not my story to tell because I wasn't in the

725
00:31:52,024 --> 00:31:53,264
Speaker 2: decision making process.

726
00:31:53,264 --> 00:31:55,664
Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's obviously not Martha's story to tell because

727
00:31:55,744 --> 00:31:58,304
Speaker 1: one she can't speak, and too, I hate say it.

728
00:31:58,344 --> 00:32:02,304
Speaker 1: I think she's He did say she is fine. Sorry,

729
00:32:02,344 --> 00:32:04,104
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. He said, I want a picture

730
00:32:04,184 --> 00:32:06,144
Speaker 1: with like, I want Martha holding up a newspaper with

731
00:32:06,144 --> 00:32:08,784
Speaker 1: a date on to prove that it's a recent picture.

732
00:32:09,224 --> 00:32:11,664
Speaker 1: And I don't want her to look like she's under duressed. Parka.

733
00:32:12,184 --> 00:32:14,864
Speaker 2: He's like, said, I promise you she's fine.

734
00:32:14,944 --> 00:32:15,944
Speaker 1: It means nothing to me.

735
00:32:16,384 --> 00:32:18,384
Speaker 2: It just wasn't my decision of what happened to it.

736
00:32:18,384 --> 00:32:19,344
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Jim, you're.

737
00:32:19,184 --> 00:32:22,304
Speaker 1: Making it worse, making it so much worse. Can I

738
00:32:22,384 --> 00:32:25,224
Speaker 1: just say I don't think famous people should ever introduce

739
00:32:25,304 --> 00:32:28,744
Speaker 1: their pets the world. It never ends well. The Kardashians

740
00:32:28,744 --> 00:32:31,224
Speaker 1: have actually do so many cover stories because they bring

741
00:32:31,264 --> 00:32:33,064
Speaker 1: these pets in and they put them all over their

742
00:32:33,104 --> 00:32:35,784
Speaker 1: cameras and they obviously decide they hate them or they die,

743
00:32:36,144 --> 00:32:38,104
Speaker 1: and then they have to come up with these cover

744
00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:40,544
Speaker 1: stories of like, oh, Mercy went to live with a friend,

745
00:32:40,944 --> 00:32:43,984
Speaker 1: Mercy hasn't been seen again. And also Megan Markle too,

746
00:32:44,024 --> 00:32:45,584
Speaker 1: she had to leave one of her dogs in Canada

747
00:32:45,624 --> 00:32:48,384
Speaker 1: when she moved to the UK. That was a huge story.

748
00:32:48,464 --> 00:32:50,824
Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, I think if they said something like

749
00:32:51,064 --> 00:32:53,544
Speaker 2: Martha's on a farm or Martha's being.

750
00:32:53,504 --> 00:32:56,224
Speaker 1: So that also sounds like Martha's.

751
00:32:55,504 --> 00:32:58,784
Speaker 2: Like say something, They've literally not said anything. They refuse

752
00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:00,304
Speaker 2: to mention Martha at all.

753
00:33:00,624 --> 00:33:03,784
Speaker 1: Guys, I think Martha is gone from this mortal coil.

754
00:33:04,064 --> 00:33:07,864
Speaker 2: It's become this whole thing. He also interviewed Naomi and Marcus,

755
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:11,864
Speaker 2: who had they haven't said anything about Martha Martha the

756
00:33:11,904 --> 00:33:14,224
Speaker 2: storyline of Martha's unfortunately, I feel like.

757
00:33:14,144 --> 00:33:15,784
Speaker 1: It's literally all I care about it.

758
00:33:17,264 --> 00:33:19,344
Speaker 2: But Naomi was talking about how she came into the

759
00:33:19,544 --> 00:33:21,464
Speaker 2: friend group like a bit later, and then Zoe and

760
00:33:21,464 --> 00:33:24,184
Speaker 2: Alfie helped her start a YouTube channel, and then after

761
00:33:24,224 --> 00:33:26,664
Speaker 2: she broke up with Marcus, she also had to break

762
00:33:26,704 --> 00:33:28,584
Speaker 2: up with her friends and She's like, we were family.

763
00:33:28,624 --> 00:33:31,144
Speaker 2: We were best friends. Me, Tanya and Zoe were like family.

764
00:33:31,584 --> 00:33:33,824
Speaker 2: And she was crying, and I was like, this actually

765
00:33:33,904 --> 00:33:35,464
Speaker 2: would have because they would have been like in their

766
00:33:35,504 --> 00:33:38,864
Speaker 2: early twenties, like kind of like forming years, and yet

767
00:33:38,904 --> 00:33:42,464
Speaker 2: they're like so big and so professional. And they also

768
00:33:42,504 --> 00:33:45,824
Speaker 2: were all signed to the same pr agency before pr

769
00:33:45,904 --> 00:33:48,384
Speaker 2: agencies were even a thing, Like they were getting these

770
00:33:48,424 --> 00:33:51,904
Speaker 2: massive deals and they were essentially kids. And this is

771
00:33:51,984 --> 00:33:55,424
Speaker 2: all blown up into like what the hell happened? And

772
00:33:55,944 --> 00:33:58,384
Speaker 2: what really sucks is that Zoe and Alfie didn't do

773
00:33:58,424 --> 00:34:00,744
Speaker 2: an interview, which I feel like would have made them

774
00:34:00,784 --> 00:34:03,864
Speaker 2: come across so much better if they did, regardless of

775
00:34:03,944 --> 00:34:07,424
Speaker 2: not saying anything. So Joe sucks. Zoe's brother was meant

776
00:34:07,464 --> 00:34:09,184
Speaker 2: to be interviewed in the second part. He was in

777
00:34:09,264 --> 00:34:11,384
Speaker 2: all the promo and stuff. And then during watching the

778
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:14,424
Speaker 2: second part, which was only released a few days ago, Yeah,

779
00:34:14,504 --> 00:34:17,104
Speaker 2: Josh said that he recalled his interview.

780
00:34:18,224 --> 00:34:18,904
Speaker 1: Oh okay.

781
00:34:19,064 --> 00:34:21,264
Speaker 2: He said that after watching the first part of the

782
00:34:21,304 --> 00:34:23,624
Speaker 2: documentary series, he felt like what he said in his

783
00:34:23,864 --> 00:34:26,784
Speaker 2: interview was just untrue to the image he wanted to

784
00:34:26,784 --> 00:34:27,344
Speaker 2: put out there.

785
00:34:27,584 --> 00:34:30,504
Speaker 1: Interesting because normally also once to give an interview, like,

786
00:34:30,544 --> 00:34:32,504
Speaker 1: that's it. If you've said it on the record, it's

787
00:34:32,544 --> 00:34:33,064
Speaker 1: on the record.

788
00:34:33,304 --> 00:34:35,424
Speaker 2: So he definitely has footage of this interview and he

789
00:34:35,544 --> 00:34:38,064
Speaker 2: just hasn't posted it because Josh is still friends with

790
00:34:38,104 --> 00:34:38,424
Speaker 2: all of them.

791
00:34:38,584 --> 00:34:41,144
Speaker 1: Yeah, well again it must. I feel like he definitely

792
00:34:41,144 --> 00:34:42,944
Speaker 1: could have because you would have had a release signed

793
00:34:42,984 --> 00:34:44,584
Speaker 1: to film and all that kind of stuff. So that's

794
00:34:44,584 --> 00:34:47,464
Speaker 1: the thing. You can't normally recall an interview unless you

795
00:34:47,464 --> 00:34:49,344
Speaker 1: have a personal connection to the person you want to

796
00:34:49,344 --> 00:34:52,824
Speaker 1: maintain that relationship, or there was something big happening behind

797
00:34:52,864 --> 00:34:55,944
Speaker 1: the scenes that legalities could have been involved. But that's

798
00:34:56,024 --> 00:34:57,664
Speaker 1: huge to have the footage and not err it.

799
00:34:57,944 --> 00:35:00,744
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just felt like after watching this documentary, I

800
00:35:00,744 --> 00:35:02,704
Speaker 2: didn't know what I wanted out.

801
00:35:02,784 --> 00:35:06,104
Speaker 1: It did as like an old school OG fan. Did

802
00:35:06,144 --> 00:35:08,584
Speaker 1: you feel kind of some sort of closure watching it?

803
00:35:08,624 --> 00:35:09,784
Speaker 1: Did it not help him out?

804
00:35:09,864 --> 00:35:12,864
Speaker 2: I felt It's sad actually, because I thought it was

805
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:15,464
Speaker 2: just gonna be the rumors are a spiraling on why

806
00:35:15,504 --> 00:35:17,984
Speaker 2: they all kind of broke up and dissipated. I thought

807
00:35:18,024 --> 00:35:19,904
Speaker 2: there was gonna be like heated. I thought people would

808
00:35:19,864 --> 00:35:21,664
Speaker 2: have stuff to say about each other, but it just

809
00:35:21,744 --> 00:35:24,664
Speaker 2: ended up being so wholesome of them just being so

810
00:35:24,864 --> 00:35:29,264
Speaker 2: nostalgic and reminiscing on the past, but it was very definitive,

811
00:35:29,344 --> 00:35:31,464
Speaker 2: as if like I'm so glad this happened to me,

812
00:35:31,544 --> 00:35:34,104
Speaker 2: but I'll never go back there again. They just felt like,

813
00:35:34,224 --> 00:35:37,944
Speaker 2: oh no, these friendships have truly ended and they've all

814
00:35:37,984 --> 00:35:40,104
Speaker 2: just moved on, which so many people do. We just

815
00:35:40,144 --> 00:35:42,144
Speaker 2: don't put our lives out there like the same way

816
00:35:42,184 --> 00:35:45,064
Speaker 2: they have, and it just made me feel really sad.

817
00:35:45,104 --> 00:35:47,904
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, we probably will never get a reunion,

818
00:35:48,064 --> 00:35:50,064
Speaker 2: like it will just be that's on the card. It's

819
00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:52,224
Speaker 2: not on the cards. And they because of like I

820
00:35:52,224 --> 00:35:54,264
Speaker 2: feel like how public their lives have been and how

821
00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:57,984
Speaker 2: crazy they've been, they've become so private now that their

822
00:35:58,024 --> 00:36:00,944
Speaker 2: content type has also changed, like Zoe and Alfie are

823
00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:03,024
Speaker 2: so careful about what they put out there, and a

824
00:36:03,064 --> 00:36:05,664
Speaker 2: lot of the YouTube videos they now publish are because

825
00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,184
Speaker 2: they're getting paid to do it, like they all have

826
00:36:07,304 --> 00:36:09,984
Speaker 2: ad in the title. Yes, and it's still good content,

827
00:36:10,024 --> 00:36:12,184
Speaker 2: but it's not like the content that we used to get.

828
00:36:12,184 --> 00:36:14,384
Speaker 2: And I feel like we're now in an era where

829
00:36:14,424 --> 00:36:18,024
Speaker 2: like the younger generation will never see that like raw

830
00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:21,184
Speaker 2: side of influences, Like it's just not the same on TikTok.

831
00:36:21,264 --> 00:36:22,184
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it was.

832
00:36:22,184 --> 00:36:24,504
Speaker 2: Like a whole long form like watching hour long YouTube

833
00:36:24,544 --> 00:36:26,744
Speaker 2: videos or someone just going through their day like that

834
00:36:27,024 --> 00:36:29,904
Speaker 2: whole like slow type of media influencer world is just.

835
00:36:29,864 --> 00:36:32,344
Speaker 1: Gone now yeah exactly. Now everyone has to get like

836
00:36:32,384 --> 00:36:34,464
Speaker 1: you have to grab people in the TikTok feed, get

837
00:36:34,464 --> 00:36:37,064
Speaker 1: them really in. That's why everyone is like a scandalous

838
00:36:37,104 --> 00:36:39,784
Speaker 1: take or a big take, and you wouldn't have that slow,

839
00:36:40,024 --> 00:36:42,664
Speaker 1: organic build anymore, which is really sad because sometimes I

840
00:36:42,664 --> 00:36:45,504
Speaker 1: also just want to have a little window into people's lives,

841
00:36:45,544 --> 00:36:47,384
Speaker 1: Like I also miss so many people I followed on

842
00:36:47,424 --> 00:36:49,904
Speaker 1: Instagram who would just do like fifty stories a day

843
00:36:49,944 --> 00:36:51,624
Speaker 1: and take you through their life. And now that luck

844
00:36:51,664 --> 00:36:53,704
Speaker 1: you say, maybe we should do that. I mean, look,

845
00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:57,624
Speaker 1: you and me watching each other's vie. I think they

846
00:36:57,624 --> 00:36:59,944
Speaker 1: would watch that. I just obviously don't we. I'm just

847
00:36:59,944 --> 00:37:01,504
Speaker 1: not going to commit to that at this time. But

848
00:37:01,544 --> 00:37:03,344
Speaker 1: if someone else wants to follow me around and post

849
00:37:03,344 --> 00:37:05,584
Speaker 1: my life, please do a lot of stuff happens every day.

850
00:37:05,824 --> 00:37:07,584
Speaker 1: Well that was yeah, super interesting.

851
00:37:07,704 --> 00:37:09,264
Speaker 2: Hashtag wears a hound So I don't know.

852
00:37:09,344 --> 00:37:11,984
Speaker 1: Ip Matha if anyone has seen Martha, if anyone knows

853
00:37:11,984 --> 00:37:12,704
Speaker 1: anything about her.

854
00:37:14,504 --> 00:37:17,704
Speaker 2: Must the Spill podcast. We'd love any evidence of Martha.

855
00:37:17,904 --> 00:37:20,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just justice. I think I just think we

856
00:37:20,344 --> 00:37:22,824
Speaker 1: need to, you know, say her name and get some

857
00:37:23,024 --> 00:37:25,904
Speaker 1: justice for her, because lest we forget if we get Martha,

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Speaker 1: who I didn't know existed until this moment. But I'm

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Speaker 1: all in on now and so we're sorry. We canople

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Speaker 1: watch this documentary.

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Speaker 2: We can watch it on YouTube on Josh channel. We'll

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Speaker 2: link it's on YouTube, but it's already gained like millions

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Speaker 2: and millions of views. It's just so juicy. So if

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Speaker 2: you want to know the law, that's the law of

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Speaker 2: the Brick crew. Thank you so much for listening to

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Speaker 2: be back here in your podcast people a weekend watch tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,