Speaker 1: Welcome to Mom and me are out loud. It's what
Speaker 1: women are actually talking about on Friday.
Speaker 2: The twenty first of August. I'm Meya Friedman.
Speaker 1: I'm your name was first in the script, and funnily enough,
Speaker 1: even though I do know my name quite well, I'm
Speaker 1: still looking at it in the script.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm really a lester. If anyone cares, you are, I
Speaker 1: do care. I'm still here for Holly. I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: None of us are happy. And also I'm wearing a
Speaker 1: Rustley jacket, so add to the list of people who
Speaker 1: are unhappy or our producers who because I'm rustling.
Speaker 2: It's like shoe jewelry all over again.
Speaker 3: If he's watching the show, you wouldn't realize what like
Speaker 3: season we're in.
Speaker 4: We look like, you know, Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber
Speaker 4: are always dressed for completely different occasions.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's us. I bags.
Speaker 1: Haley Amelia is in like a hale bright orange. I'd
Speaker 1: say floor orange, cashmere t shirte m. You are in
Speaker 1: a khaki hole to neck, going out in top singlet
Speaker 1: jeans in a.
Speaker 2: Nice top jean's a nice top and I'm in a
Speaker 2: windbreaker with a jaunty neckwork.
Speaker 4: What does that say? What she thinks is going to
Speaker 4: happen on this podcast? But she's wearing a windbreaker.
Speaker 1: Guys, it's very in right now, okay, And I'm still looking.
Speaker 3: For a cape?
Speaker 2: What sort of caps? I find a hold of cape?
Speaker 1: Which we spoke about on our Subscribe episode on Tuesday
Speaker 1: that Dane Hathaway was wearing. And I'm also not wearing
Speaker 1: a fake pregnant belly, not that she was, but some
Speaker 1: people are saying, Oh, anyway, here's what's on our agenda
Speaker 1: for today.
Speaker 4: One celebrity couple has this and another does not. We're
Speaker 4: talking chemistry and why it can't be faked.
Speaker 3: Plus everyone is doing a cleanse. I however, I am doing
Speaker 3: a clog and I'm going to teach.
Speaker 2: You how I like wearing clogs.
Speaker 1: Also, would you go topless in front of your dad?
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a second to think about that.
Speaker 1: I hope you're not driving or even eating or listening
Speaker 1: with your dad, although some people would. One famous woman
Speaker 1: just did, and the internet has questions and you can't speak.
Speaker 1: Is that the mental picture in your head about being
Speaker 1: topless in front of your dad?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry this was not expecting that. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, in case you see's why Holy should be here.
Speaker 4: In case you miss it.
Speaker 3: Water bottles are shrinking physically, Yes, so we all know
Speaker 3: our emotional water bottles, emotional support water bottles. This is
Speaker 3: mine here, it's a mammamea one. We have Frank Green ones.
Speaker 3: A water bottle says a lot about who you are
Speaker 3: as a person. Mine has race cars on it and straw.
Speaker 2: How many leaders is that?
Speaker 1: Because when we moved officers as a welcome gift to everybody,
Speaker 1: we all got our own water bottles, right, and that
Speaker 1: looks to.
Speaker 2: Me like two leaders?
Speaker 1: Is it's one leader, one lead and that just and
Speaker 1: even when it's empty, it's still pretty heavy.
Speaker 3: It's very heavy. A fact about these kind of like
Speaker 3: metal water bottles we have Frank Green. There's also a
Speaker 3: Wala and Stanley cups. Is that when you drop them
Speaker 3: they make the sound equivalent to a car crash. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're quite lad, quite alarming.
Speaker 1: Also, why do we all need to be hydrated all
Speaker 1: the time?
Speaker 3: Well, you meant to have like two liters of water
Speaker 3: a day.
Speaker 2: If you're a supermodel man.
Speaker 3: But we all have our water bottles. We're very attached
Speaker 3: to them. What we've noticed is that these water bottles
Speaker 3: are getting smaller and smaller. Mia you have a slightly
Speaker 3: smaller one than the rest of us.
Speaker 1: I obviously lost the first one that I was given
Speaker 1: and so given by myself because I also am the
Speaker 1: co founder of the business. But anyway, I lost it.
Speaker 1: So I went and bought one the other day. But
Speaker 1: the problem with those big ones, the one Leader ones,
Speaker 1: is that they don't fit in a well.
Speaker 2: They're just very heavy. Also, they don't fit in your car, yeah, properly.
Speaker 1: And I like to stay hydrated because I'm basically a
Speaker 1: camel and so I try to carry a water bottle
Speaker 1: around with me to drink more. But I had to
Speaker 1: buy a slightly smaller one, so I think mine's about
Speaker 1: half the size.
Speaker 2: I guess it's half a Leader.
Speaker 3: It looks neater as well. I was in Kmart last
Speaker 3: weekend and they had a row of what they called
Speaker 3: micro water bottles, which were two hundred mL water, which
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: Is like a dress box literally. As I want to know,
Speaker 4: given that this is an emotional support water bottle, what
Speaker 4: does it say about where we're at. I've usually just
Speaker 4: hit peak water sizing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've hit peak water bottle. I think we're tired
Speaker 3: of having them as weights.
Speaker 2: I also think we're well now we're lifting actual weights
Speaker 2: because we need to.
Speaker 1: We're probably throwing our back out. But also, there's only
Speaker 1: so much time you can spend sitting on a toilet
Speaker 1: in a date. And I know this because I spend
Speaker 1: a lot of it on the toilet, because my bladder
Speaker 1: is the size of a thimble. That's all the end
Speaker 1: of the segment.
Speaker 2: A question to.
Speaker 1: Consider, if you've recovered from the mental picture in your
Speaker 1: head as you go about your weekend.
Speaker 2: Consider this, would you go topless in front of your dad?
Speaker 1: Because someone who answered someone whose answer to this question
Speaker 1: is hell, yeah. There's a woman called Brooks Nader who
Speaker 1: I have spent quite a lot of.
Speaker 2: Time looking at. A picture came out this week.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you in a second who she
Speaker 1: is and because I didn't know, but what I have
Speaker 1: been looking at is some pictures of her on a
Speaker 1: yacht in Sardinia, off the coast of Sardinia. I don't
Speaker 1: know where Sardinia is, but she's topless, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: Who cares boobs?
Speaker 1: But her dad is right next to her and he's
Speaker 1: not blinking. He's not like, he's not leering or anything.
Speaker 1: But she's just casually topless, and he's just casually just
Speaker 1: talking to her or whatever. And he may not blink,
Speaker 1: but the internet did before. We can talk about the action,
Speaker 1: both of our own and the internets. Three fun facts
Speaker 1: about Brooks Nader. If we don't know who she is,
Speaker 1: which I don't, she.
Speaker 3: Became famous as being like an it girl. She was
Speaker 3: on the cover of Sports Illustrated. She's also like a
Speaker 3: new generation of Kardashian. She has a reality TV show
Speaker 3: on Hulu with her three other sisters called Love Thy Nada.
Speaker 4: Biblical, Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3: Jimmy kim He's the.
Speaker 4: One who's basically been the starmaker for Brooks. What do
Speaker 4: you mean exactly what I just said? And I can't
Speaker 4: take further questions?
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting? So what's interesting?
Speaker 1: If you go straight to the comments section, which I did,
Speaker 1: half of the comments are saying she's in Europe relaxed.
Speaker 1: Americans are just so uptight about their bodies, Amelia, can
Speaker 1: you confirm?
Speaker 4: Look, this is nightmare fuel to me?
Speaker 2: Are a millions? Are a milions more?
Speaker 1: Up type in Australians and Europeans about nudity.
Speaker 2: Do you think a little.
Speaker 4: Bit, I'd say a little bit. I noticed that in
Speaker 4: Australia maybe people wearing more kind of g string swimmers
Speaker 4: regularly to the beach.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about it.
Speaker 4: Although I will point out that when I was growing
Speaker 4: up in the nineteen nineties, I'd go to the beach
Speaker 4: in Sydney and I'd see a lot of women what's
Speaker 4: the term sunbathing topless? I was one of them, and
Speaker 4: now they're gone, and that makes me a little bit sad.
Speaker 1: Well, half of the other half of the comments were
Speaker 1: basically responding to the European comments with that that family
Speaker 1: is from Louisiana. You don't get to be claim European
Speaker 1: habits just because you've been there on holiday for a
Speaker 1: week and a half.
Speaker 3: I thought, you have to immerse yourself into the culture.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting this idea, and people do have their
Speaker 1: boobs out a lot more in Europe, it's true, and
Speaker 1: in Australia, you're right, you see it.
Speaker 2: A lot less.
Speaker 4: It is probably so smart.
Speaker 1: I also think it's because of phones, because there's one
Speaker 1: thing being on a beach topless, another being on the
Speaker 1: internet top.
Speaker 3: Less, which happened to Brooks.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's what happened to Brooks.
Speaker 1: But this idea of being nude in front of people
Speaker 1: who aren't your intimate partner got us talking about something
Speaker 1: called the prude Index, which was an expression coined by
Speaker 1: someone we work with and their group.
Speaker 2: Chat, which is called the Hot Girl group Chat.
Speaker 3: Great name.
Speaker 1: They say it's ironic and that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you who they are because they're a little bit embarrassed.
Speaker 1: Any weird group chat names.
Speaker 3: I have some like I don't know if I'm allowed
Speaker 3: to say, I actually think.
Speaker 2: Is it rude and inappropriate?
Speaker 3: There's rude and inappropriate and involves the name of substances.
Speaker 4: Okay, Amelia, I do they're in jokes?
Speaker 2: Okay you yes, I can't say no. I've got one
Speaker 2: called growlers.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite.
Speaker 1: I can't explain why that is anyway, the prude Index.
Speaker 1: So this group of girls, they were talking about being prudes,
Speaker 1: right or not being prudes, and how the prude index
Speaker 1: has two axes.
Speaker 2: One is that's the.
Speaker 4: First time you've ever said the word axes on the show.
Speaker 2: I don't say load.
Speaker 1: One of them is how comfortable you are with talking
Speaker 1: about sex in front of your friends, for example. The
Speaker 1: other is how comfortable you are being nude in front
Speaker 1: of your friends or people who aren't your intimate party.
Speaker 4: Because that's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be high.
Speaker 1: You might get a lot of points for being very
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about.
Speaker 2: Your sex life or about sex, but.
Speaker 1: Then you're not comfortable maybe showing your boobs to your
Speaker 1: friends or getting changed in front of your friends.
Speaker 2: And I would say probably, Well, parents are a whole
Speaker 2: other story. Amelia, we do you think you rate?
Speaker 1: I've just said Amelia and looked at them. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking of everybody's boobs. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at you both and just thinking I
Speaker 1: don't really care. Like you could get your boobs out now,
Speaker 1: I could get my boobs out now and not really care.
Speaker 3: I think I'm high on the like sex open. I
Speaker 3: want to say the opposite of prude. I am very
Speaker 3: comfortable talking about sex with friends. I think when it
Speaker 3: comes to the nudity part of things, I think I
Speaker 3: am a bit more prudish. I feel like I could
Speaker 3: go topless, but I can't do full vadge out.
Speaker 4: When it comes to nudity. I think two things. There's
Speaker 4: kind of two variables on these axes. One is culture
Speaker 4: and one is age, so or maybe life stage. I
Speaker 4: mean to say so on stage, I think if you
Speaker 4: have given birth, you are very unlikely to care about
Speaker 4: nudity in the same way. Ever, again, do you think
Speaker 4: that's true.
Speaker 2: That's a bit of a conngrension.
Speaker 4: As a mother, I no longer care. And then on
Speaker 4: the on the culture point, when I lived in Japan,
Speaker 4: which I know is another annoying sentence, I already started
Speaker 4: a sentence as a mother. But when I lived in Japan,
Speaker 4: I realized that when you go to the public barths there,
Speaker 4: they are sex separated, but you do not wear clothes,
Speaker 4: so no swimmers in the barths, and you realize that,
Speaker 4: I think, if you see enough different types of actual bodies,
Speaker 4: they completely lose their mystique and you get over your
Speaker 4: own insecurities about it because you realize that no one
Speaker 4: else cares.
Speaker 1: I used to go to a Korean bath house in
Speaker 1: my probably my twenties, probably before I had kids, actually,
Speaker 1: and I found it really quite confronting. Not confronting looking
Speaker 1: at other women's bodies, but just there are so few
Speaker 1: times when you're naked, like once you you know, most
Speaker 1: people aren't even naked in their own house much. I
Speaker 1: had everyone in my.
Speaker 2: House was out the other day.
Speaker 1: I can't remember why or where they were, but I
Speaker 1: knew they were out and I was naked in my house.
Speaker 2: I think some of them were actually out of the country.
Speaker 1: And I was naked in my house, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I'm never ever naked for any length of time. Because also,
Speaker 1: once you have children, and they're not little children anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean when they're little, your body's their body, like
Speaker 1: they don't even just differentiate. But then they get to
Speaker 1: a certain age where they don't want you to see
Speaker 1: them and they don't want to see you, and you've
Speaker 1: got to respect that, even if you're in a naked house,
Speaker 1: because it's not just what they're comfortable with you seeing,
Speaker 1: it's what they're comfortable seeing. And I think it's around
Speaker 1: puberty that kids stop wanting to see their parents nude,
Speaker 1: because that's when they're starting to think about all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But what's really interesting is that I never it never
Speaker 1: changes for me, like I'm happy to go to the
Speaker 1: toilet in front of my kids or for my kids
Speaker 1: to see me nude.
Speaker 2: I don't care like they're like in a.
Speaker 1: Category of I mean, I can't think like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean my parents, however, I mean my mom.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't care my dad seen me.
Speaker 4: So are you saying though, in general, on this graph,
Speaker 4: you are neither brutish about sex nor nudity.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and that's probably a later thing. I agree
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: So you changed after I had kids, also as I
Speaker 1: got older, like when I was in my twenties and stuff.
Speaker 1: We would never talk about vibrators and all of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And even though I worked at like
Speaker 1: Cosmo and Cleo, we would never talk about our you know,
Speaker 1: sex toys, or we wouldn't We wouldn't really talk about
Speaker 1: our own stay wives much.
Speaker 4: What's so interesting is that information about sex was so
Speaker 4: much more gate kept than the sealed sections. The whole
Speaker 4: concept of a sealed section is just absurd these days.
Speaker 3: I think there's also a difference between going nude for necessity,
Speaker 3: So like if you were on holiday with your girlfriends
Speaker 3: and you sharing a room, there's a difference between like
Speaker 3: being comfortable having your boobs out if you're changing, compared
Speaker 3: to having your boobs out and before you put your
Speaker 3: next top on. You're having a conversation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is there? Which is what Brooks Nader
Speaker 1: was sort of doing on that boat. I don't have
Speaker 1: a sister, and neither is Amelia.
Speaker 2: What's it like with a sister.
Speaker 3: Oh it's fine, it's so fun. Always forever full frontal,
Speaker 3: always forever full frontal. I think I have a friend though, who,
Speaker 3: like well into her like early twenties, would still like
Speaker 3: shower with her sister. Sorry, yeah, that's odd.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: I don't have a sister.
Speaker 2: I've got nothing to measure it.
Speaker 3: But then she was like that is like so like,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you like it's really like, if I'm in
Speaker 3: the shower and she needs to use a shower, we'll
Speaker 3: just shower together.
Speaker 2: What about your mum?
Speaker 3: Mom's fine, Yeah, mom's fine.
Speaker 4: But when I was a teenager and i'd be shopping
Speaker 4: for clothes, remember how fraught that was coming. You just
Speaker 4: feel such crippling self consciousness about taking your clothes. And
Speaker 4: they used to be these communal change room sometimes to
Speaker 4: remember those, I don't think they have any more, probably
Speaker 4: for phone reasons as well. And I remember my heart
Speaker 4: would always sink because it'd be like, I cannot get
Speaker 4: changed in front of these chranger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is pretty funny when your kids are like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't come in. I'm not, and I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: seen it before, Bloody made it.
Speaker 2: I cooked that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's interesting because the sister thing changes it for me.
Speaker 1: The fact that the dad of Brooks Nader has three daughters.
Speaker 1: Somehow that was an important data point in when I
Speaker 1: was like, she was comfortable.
Speaker 4: Didn't make it better.
Speaker 1: Well, because I've got friends who either have lots of
Speaker 1: sisters or like hat or lots of daughters. And when
Speaker 1: you were in a girl house, the dad just has
Speaker 1: to muck in, Like the dad's almost just not there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like because there are.
Speaker 1: So many girls and just like maybe one guy, the
Speaker 1: dynamic is just different.
Speaker 4: Out ladders in a moment, the couple who has it
Speaker 4: and the couple who doesn't spot the difference. It was
Speaker 4: the photos which first stopped my scroll this weekend. I
Speaker 4: saw Kerry Russell and Matthew Reese, two TV actors, in
Speaker 4: the new issue of Variety, in matching double denim. They
Speaker 4: were out in the woods somewhere. Let me just paint
Speaker 4: you this picture they're out in the woods. They're genuinely
Speaker 4: enjoying each other's company. In one of the shots, Kerry
Speaker 4: is cuddled into Matthew's jacket. In another, she's cracking up
Speaker 4: as he mugs for the camera. I don't even know
Speaker 4: these actors very well. Obviously, Kerry Russell was in Felicity,
Speaker 4: then she's in The Diplomats. Matthew Reese is most recently
Speaker 4: in Widow's Bay. But it wasn't even them as actors
Speaker 4: that caught me. It was the way they related to
Speaker 4: each other. Maybe heterosexuality is real. Read a top comment.
Speaker 4: I thought, age appropriate couple in Hollywood who look their
Speaker 4: age and radiate love. What a gift? Read another What
Speaker 4: a gift? I loved that.
Speaker 1: Didn't they meet while they were doing The Americans? Everyone
Speaker 1: raves about that show, but I've never watched it.
Speaker 4: That's part of what's so interesting about this is that
Speaker 4: their relationship did start in Scandal, so they were both
Speaker 4: cast on The Americans. Around twenty twelve, Kerrie was married,
Speaker 4: she already had two kids, and there was a lot
Speaker 4: of intrigue around the timeline of when she and her
Speaker 4: first husband separated. But then eventually she and Matthew were
Speaker 4: clearly an idem. They confirmed their relationship a couple of
Speaker 4: years after Kerry announced her separation from her first husband.
Speaker 4: But that's what's so interesting.
Speaker 1: So they met when they played a couple of secret
Speaker 1: agents I think on The Americans.
Speaker 2: Yep, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: And then four years after they met on that set,
Speaker 4: they announced that they were expecting a child, so they
Speaker 4: now co parenting three children together. Matthew actually addressed these
Speaker 4: somewhat scandalous beginnings in this recent New York Times interview.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about Kerrie Russell. She's your partner,
Speaker 3: thank god.
Speaker 5: Yes, she's also an extraordinary actor. You first work together
Speaker 5: in The Americans, which is just one of my all
Speaker 5: time favorite shows.
Speaker 6: What is it like to fall in love with your
Speaker 6: coach star kind of I remember at the time going,
Speaker 6: oh no, because I wouldn't advise it.
Speaker 5: You question it because because you know you're playing a
Speaker 5: romantic partner.
Speaker 6: So you're going, hang on, you know, let's be very
Speaker 6: serious about this, and you know, carry out two kids.
Speaker 6: And it wasn't something I was going to enter too lightly.
Speaker 6: And then sometimes you can't fight it, you know, it's ordained.
Speaker 2: I had no.
Speaker 3: Idea he was, well, I was like, here's that man.
Speaker 4: And what you can't hear in that clip is literally
Speaker 4: whenever either of them talks about the other one, they
Speaker 4: just like break out into this full face smile. They
Speaker 4: cannot stop smiling when they talk about each other. And
Speaker 4: it's not that they talk about each other a lot.
Speaker 4: Lady Gossip had a piece this week about the Variety
Speaker 4: interview and she observed that they don't perform their celebrity
Speaker 4: as a cup this it is very rare.
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize or like, I knew nothing about
Speaker 1: them as a couple, Like I know of their work,
Speaker 1: but they're not like famous famous.
Speaker 2: They're not like you know, tomm and Zendeya or like
Speaker 2: Nicole and Keith.
Speaker 4: The kind of ideal level of fame. Matthew actually says
Speaker 4: that he's famous enough to get a good table at
Speaker 4: a restaurant and then he can eat his meal there
Speaker 4: in peace, which is I think the perfect level of fame.
Speaker 3: So what do you think makes like what part of
Speaker 3: their relationship are you obsessed with?
Speaker 4: I think what it is is that they have chemistry,
Speaker 4: which is such a sort of hard to define thing,
Speaker 4: but it's also something that you know, it when you
Speaker 4: see it, and you know when it's not there. So
Speaker 4: we've talked a lot on this show in recent times
Speaker 4: about show mances, about this new trend in Hollywood where
Speaker 4: people are pretending, well, it's not so much that it's new,
Speaker 4: but it's been happening a lot lately where people pretend
Speaker 4: that maybe they're in a relationship.
Speaker 3: Is a relationship with j Lo.
Speaker 4: In that Netflix movie that she made with ted La
Speaker 4: so Man.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Office, And it happened also with Liam Nisan
Speaker 3: and Pam Anderson on the Nika Gun Press tour, and
Speaker 3: I started with Sydney Sweeney and Glen Powell for the
Speaker 3: Idea of You.
Speaker 4: And also just very recently, Kaya Goerber and Homer gear
Speaker 4: are in that new Rye Murphy show and there's a
Speaker 4: little bit of sort of intriguing gossip around them. And yet,
Speaker 4: you know, when we looked at Pam and Liam on
Speaker 4: the Red Carpet, we wanted to believe they were a couping,
Speaker 4: But did it ever really in our bones feel true. No,
Speaker 4: Whereas when you look at Kerry and Matthew, you know
Speaker 4: it's real. And what's interesting about it is that it's
Speaker 4: not just about PDA In fact, Kerry and Matthew in
Speaker 4: the Variety interview don't even touch each other. They're in
Speaker 4: two separate armchairs doing the interview. Think about Kylie and Timothay,
Speaker 4: for instance, those two are constantly touching each other. I'm
Speaker 4: sure they like each other a lot. Do I feel
Speaker 4: like they have oodles of chemistry that in just bibable quality? No, So,
Speaker 4: if it's not PDA, what is it that we're seeing
Speaker 4: when we say that's chemistry.
Speaker 3: I think it's quiet chalance. Like it's not nonchalance, and
Speaker 3: it's not chalance, it's quiet chalance. Love this And I
Speaker 3: noticed this sometimes on red carpets, especially with Tom and Zendaya. Yes,
Speaker 3: he's perfect, always looking at her, like wherever he is,
Speaker 3: he's doing an interview, and he's looking at her. And
Speaker 3: then he will like quietly, like if her the strap
Speaker 3: of her dress lips off, he will like quietly put
Speaker 3: it there without making a big fuss about it. I
Speaker 3: also recently saw a TikTok of this couple sitting at
Speaker 3: a table and I think one of her friends was
Speaker 3: filming them, and she drops something on the floor and
Speaker 3: he's engaged in a different conversation. She drops something on
Speaker 3: the floor and she bends to pick it up, and
Speaker 3: he quietly puts his hand on the edge of the
Speaker 3: table so she doesn't bump her head as she gets up.
Speaker 3: It's like those little things.
Speaker 2: It's noticing, it's noticing, it's noticing.
Speaker 4: So where for instance, we've talked about Dual de bro
Speaker 4: and Callum Turner on this show and how he is
Speaker 4: extravagantly in love with her, is that chemistry or is
Speaker 4: that a bit different?
Speaker 3: I think it's if you talk about it.
Speaker 4: Too much, that's not chemistry necessarily.
Speaker 1: So look at Nikola Peltzbeckerm and Brooklyn. To me, they're
Speaker 1: both in love with.
Speaker 4: Her, yes, whereas David and Victoria chemistry.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He posted just this week a shot of her
Speaker 1: like in this sort of sea through she is skirt
Speaker 1: walking from behind, like.
Speaker 3: Clearly like he's obsessed with her.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, And so you can see this in real
Speaker 4: life too, Like these are just celebrity couples. But I
Speaker 4: think we've all had that experience where you've met a
Speaker 4: couple and sometimes they make sense to you. That's a
Speaker 4: phrase that I think you can use as a substanceute
Speaker 4: for chemistry, or they make sense together. And sometimes you
Speaker 4: can't quite figure out what the dynamic is.
Speaker 1: It's almost what it isn't so in in couples that
Speaker 1: have chemistry, there's no ambivalence. Yeah right, there's no there's
Speaker 1: obviously no contempt, but there's a real there's a real attention.
Speaker 1: It's the noticing, like it's not performative. The other thing
Speaker 1: I love about Carrie Russell and Matthew Reese is that
Speaker 1: they're like fifty and fifty one and they both look
Speaker 1: it yep, and they look so beautiful.
Speaker 4: But also like that.
Speaker 2: They're the same age, yes, because that's kind.
Speaker 4: Of rare, and that they're equals in so many ways.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to this delightful clip from the Variety interview,
Speaker 4: which will give you a sense of how they interact
Speaker 4: with each other. And what you should know is at
Speaker 4: the start, Kerrie is laughing so hard that you can't
Speaker 4: hear it, you know, that kind of silent laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: How do you pick what project to work on?
Speaker 2: Cash?
Speaker 6: Cash basis like what pays most wins? Very simple, three
Speaker 6: children and a mortgage. I'll get after it.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: In fairness as a script, I'd never seen it's so good.
Speaker 6: I was desperate to do that.
Speaker 3: Almost everything he does, he's always like he thinks he's
Speaker 3: not great.
Speaker 4: He thinks he's always like.
Speaker 5: I think that's every acrect And this was the only
Speaker 5: thing he's ever come home.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, he likes this, but that
Speaker 3: means like he goes, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Fine, it was fine.
Speaker 6: And I'm like that.
Speaker 4: That's a rich text to me because there's a couple
Speaker 4: of components I want to pull out from that. First
Speaker 4: of all, notice how she big ups him and he
Speaker 4: is immediately like trying to bat it down, like oh,
Speaker 4: every actor does that. But she's observed him, she's noticed him,
Speaker 4: and she's trying to support him as he's selling this
Speaker 4: project and instead of just sort of going along with it,
Speaker 4: he tries to be self deprecating, but she's like, no,
Speaker 4: this is true, this is real. So there's that element
Speaker 4: of supporting him, but also like the easy humor between
Speaker 4: the two of them, like three kids in a mortgage
Speaker 4: and like they're just they're just supporting each other but
Speaker 4: also being real and honest.
Speaker 1: With each And the reason, of course they did the
Speaker 1: interview together was because they're both nominated for I think
Speaker 1: multiple Emmys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really interesting publicity move from them because
Speaker 4: they don't. As we talked about, they don't normally do
Speaker 4: stuff like this. But what they're trying to do is
Speaker 4: basically get Emmys for their various projects, Kerry for The
Speaker 4: Diplomat on Netflix and Matthew for Widow's Bay, which is
Speaker 4: my favorite TV show of the year.
Speaker 3: It's a smart strategy, I think.
Speaker 1: After the break, the three things we loved most this
Speaker 1: week A movie, a fragrance, and a hack for applying concealer.
Speaker 3: Before we get into our recos today, I have some
Speaker 3: breaking personal news. I'm doing a clog. Let me explain.
Speaker 3: So I saw a photo on substack and it was
Speaker 3: a picture of a woman inhaling a bowl of pasta
Speaker 3: and the title of the photo was, while everyone's doing
Speaker 3: a cleanse, I'm doing a clog. And I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a trend I can get behind. Even though
Speaker 3: it's not really a trend, I'm making it a trend.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you some of my clog activities, prioritizing carbs,
Speaker 3: especially over protein. Amelia. You taught me this one, having
Speaker 3: a mocha instead of a flat.
Speaker 4: This is my greatest life hack of all time. Do
Speaker 4: you know that you can order chocolate in your coffee
Speaker 4: and no one tells you you can't. Did you know
Speaker 4: that I didn't a mocker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of carbs versus protein, that's a clog of
Speaker 1: a different kind.
Speaker 2: All of this shout out.
Speaker 1: The midlife women who are lifting weights and chugging protein.
Speaker 3: Putting vassaline all over my face instead of a fancy
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars moisturizer.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's just sill.
Speaker 3: Pick it up, clog it up. Not wearing makeup on weekends.
Speaker 3: I'm clogging, staying inside to watch TV or read, even
Speaker 3: if it's a quote nice day out.
Speaker 2: Oh I see.
Speaker 1: So it's not just it's basically doing the what is
Speaker 1: It's like doing the opposite of what's good for you.
Speaker 3: You're doing the opposite of like constantly trying to better ourselves, like.
Speaker 4: The opposite of maxing. It's meaning.
Speaker 3: I love it's doing it's meaning. And my last one
Speaker 3: having dessert to every meal, including breakfast.
Speaker 4: I love her.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's my clog activities. You're welcome to join.
Speaker 4: Firing vibes ideas Atosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 3: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2: It's reco's time.
Speaker 1: Do you know that The most popular part of our
Speaker 1: episode is recos and we've got some crackers today.
Speaker 3: I believe that because I just told Amelia I've started
Speaker 3: reading and you've read it to ask not the Kennedy women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good. The thing about.
Speaker 1: Our recos, if I do say so myself, they have
Speaker 1: a very long tale. So it's not just that we
Speaker 1: reco things that are like, listen to this, this is
Speaker 1: the hot thing right now.
Speaker 2: There's some classics in there. Like often I'll be like,
Speaker 2: what should I read? Oh I remember? Not whole actually
Speaker 2: sometimes whole.
Speaker 1: It's the TV shows of holes that are not my vibe,
Speaker 1: but lots about louders really like that.
Speaker 3: A lot about louders are starting to read a lot
Speaker 3: of and patch it after.
Speaker 1: You recommend phats. It was so good, Amelia, what are
Speaker 1: you recommending this?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, grab a micro and ridden patch
Speaker 4: it always yes, you know we're going to go wrong
Speaker 4: with that. My record was something which has been bringing
Speaker 4: me some real joy this past week. And it's a
Speaker 4: bit random, but they're with me. It's a perfume, and
Speaker 4: it's not just any perfume, but it's a perfume that
Speaker 4: I wore in high school that I have rediscovered sort of.
Speaker 3: When you smell it at you getting like memory.
Speaker 4: No, for sure, like scent is so closely tied with memories,
Speaker 4: and I had this perfume. I decided I needed a
Speaker 4: signature scent in high school because I read a lot
Speaker 4: of women's magazines edited by me, and that told me
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I wrote it.
Speaker 4: So I went to the perfume shop because there used
Speaker 4: to be like little shops then that weren't like Amazon.
Speaker 4: And I walked in and I was like, I need
Speaker 4: a signature cent. I was in my school uniform, and
Speaker 4: basically we wound up picking one called Gucci Envy.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 4: It was launched in nineteen ninety seven. I'd say up
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 1: My first part was in an a after Impulse Classic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had spic Skull's Impulse, and then I graduated
Speaker 4: to Gucci MB. Tom Ford was in charge of Gucci.
Speaker 4: He's like my favorite, and it's just this classic nineties cent.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like.
Speaker 1: Big scent, big bottles now well clean green is how
Speaker 1: I describe it.
Speaker 4: Lily of the Valley and like a little bit of
Speaker 4: cedar at the end. It's it's like what Gwyneth Paltrow
Speaker 4: was wearing in great expectations when she wore that green set.
Speaker 2: Was she actually wearing no marr? Okay, yep.
Speaker 4: Anyway, it was just continued around twenty eleven. I don't
Speaker 4: know why, and now bottles of it actually go one
Speaker 4: hundreds of dollars online and every now and then I
Speaker 4: kind of look and look them up and think I
Speaker 4: can't possibly justify this. But I recently learned that there's
Speaker 4: a small business in Melbourne called the Dupe Spot and
Speaker 4: it makes a very respectable version that they say is
Speaker 4: inspired by MVY. The thirty miliidp is thirty five dollars, which,
Speaker 4: to take me back to my youth, is kind of cheap, and.
Speaker 2: The original would have been hundred, like one hundred.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was. Yeah, it came two days after I
Speaker 4: ordered it. I've just been spraying it ever since. Look,
Speaker 4: I will be honest. Rex is a time to be honest.
Speaker 4: This perfume doesn't have amazing staying power, like you put
Speaker 4: it on in the morning and it's gone two hours later.
Speaker 4: But it cost me thirty five dollars And it's really
Speaker 4: all about the nostalgia trip. And I love this shop
Speaker 4: because it makes all sorts of other versions of hard
Speaker 4: to find or obscure or discontinued cents. So some others
Speaker 4: it's got the Body Shop's nineties white musk formulation because
Speaker 4: they changed it out, or Stella McCartney's original scent. Do
Speaker 4: you remember that one from the early two thousands that
Speaker 4: was a classic. Takes me back to that time.
Speaker 2: K one I remember from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So just just have a browse around the dupe
Speaker 4: spot and see what time travel you can do.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I can't revisit fragrances. They're too evocative for me. I
Speaker 1: have to have a fragrance, wear it for a period
Speaker 1: of time and then like every day, and then I
Speaker 1: stop and I never go back to it.
Speaker 2: I actually can't stand to smell it them again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because nostalgia person.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a hyperfixation person. So it becomes so
Speaker 1: inextricably linked for me to a moment in time. Like
Speaker 1: I can't wear the fragrance I was wearing during COVID obviously.
Speaker 4: Was it La Labo Santa thirty three?
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was, but if I smelt it,
Speaker 1: I would be able to tell you. Because I would
Speaker 1: just start twitching. Yeah, I find that I find fragrances
Speaker 1: to a vocative. But there is one that I really miss,
Speaker 1: which is Romeo JILLII, which is a designer who I
Speaker 1: don't even think it around anymore. But it was a
Speaker 1: fragrance that I wore a lot in the nineties and
Speaker 1: might be able to go back to that. I'll go
Speaker 1: on a hop on that website.
Speaker 4: You just reminded me that the reason I could afford
Speaker 4: that Coucci envy is because I had a job working
Speaker 4: at the mall at Red Earth. Do you remember that
Speaker 4: very well?
Speaker 3: I do not remember this.
Speaker 2: It was like the Australian version of the Body Shop.
Speaker 3: Oh nice. I'm not a big France person because I
Speaker 3: usually forget to put it on before I leave the house.
Speaker 3: Big on deodorant, I'm always with my doo. The only
Speaker 3: fragrance that I always think about is the Elizabeth Arden
Speaker 3: green tea. Yes, love it, and I think it's because
Speaker 3: it's my mom's scent, and whenever I smell it, I
Speaker 3: just think of my house. So I bored it and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I feel like a
Speaker 3: boss bitch.
Speaker 4: That's so true. Your mom's scent is such a classic
Speaker 4: genre long comentras or is my mom.
Speaker 3: Oh so nice? My reco Today is a movie I
Speaker 3: saw in the cinema, so I'm sorry. You have to
Speaker 3: go to the cinemas if you want to see it.
Speaker 3: It's the movie that everyone's talking about because of Anne
Speaker 3: Hathaway the End of Oak Street. It stars Anne Hathaway
Speaker 3: and you and McGregor. It's the one where she came
Speaker 3: out on the we talked about in the subs episode
Speaker 3: in the Jeans and the Cape yeap, and she was
Speaker 3: actually theme dressing for the character in this movie. Because
Speaker 3: the character is a suburban mum in the eighties. She's
Speaker 3: kind of having a tough time with her family. She
Speaker 3: wants to divorce her husband, and she's writing this big
Speaker 3: novel about it. While this is all happening, the finally
Speaker 3: dynamics overnight, the whole suburb she's living in gets transported
Speaker 3: to another period of time that involves dinosaurs, the Cretaceous period.
Speaker 3: And then it's hard.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 3: It goes from like lovely family, happy movie to crazy
Speaker 3: action dinosaurs killing everyone. It's so good. You know what
Speaker 3: it reminds me of because it is And I love
Speaker 3: this movie so much, and I was trying to think
Speaker 3: why I love it because it's so bizarre, so random.
Speaker 3: It's because it's an original IP and an original screenplay.
Speaker 3: And I'm getting the same feelings when I watch Sinners
Speaker 3: for the first time, Like we're in like this world
Speaker 3: where everyone's doing sequels. Adaptation, yeah, big license, Yeah, like
Speaker 3: big production companies don't want to take risks with anything new,
Speaker 3: so they just keep doing the same thing over and
Speaker 3: over again because they know it's what works and what's
Speaker 3: makes them money. And the reason, coming back to her
Speaker 3: theme dressing, was she was creating these big conversations because
Speaker 3: the cast really needed to because this movie like took
Speaker 3: eighty million, I think to make, and they have to
Speaker 3: really push it to make sure that they make that money.
Speaker 2: So the dinosaurs, Is it a bit Jurassic Park? Is
Speaker 2: it like that? Yes?
Speaker 3: But I am a dinosaur Nord and there aren't really
Speaker 3: like Jurassic dinosaurs in it.
Speaker 4: Is it funny?
Speaker 2: Why do I think.
Speaker 4: It's like dark Hue like some accurate to say it's
Speaker 4: kind of a throwback to like Honey I Shrunk. The
Speaker 4: kids kind of.
Speaker 3: Vibe yes, because it's said in the eighties, and then
Speaker 3: they go back to the Cretaceous period is so good.
Speaker 2: The Cretaceous period. The fashion is good.
Speaker 3: The dinosaurs look amazing. The dinosaurs are actually accurate dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: They have like feathers and fur. Okay, it's just like
Speaker 3: really fun, really original. It like spins all the tropes
Speaker 3: on their heads, so every like people in the like,
Speaker 3: I haven't been in a more engaged audience. People were screaming,
Speaker 3: scream laughing, scream crying.
Speaker 2: It was just that doesn't happen when you're watching it.
Speaker 4: It sounds like a good date movie.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It's just such a fun, like energy driven movie.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting that she did that time travel one
Speaker 1: because she's also going to star in Yesteryear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, probably practicing.
Speaker 1: Okay, my reco I've brought props, which is not very
Speaker 1: interesting if you're listening to this, but just stay with me.
Speaker 1: I have I'm leaning into things that you don't have
Speaker 1: to buy, just things that you can do.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So my trick that I saw on a reel or
Speaker 1: a TikTok is a new way to put on concealer.
Speaker 1: You might already be doing this, but when I used
Speaker 1: to put on concealer, I used to because I've got
Speaker 1: really dark circles under my eyes.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I used to put it all the way up to
Speaker 1: my what's it called, up to my lash line? I
Speaker 1: used to go all the way out there, right, looks
Speaker 1: a bit strange, makes your eyes look a bit weird.
Speaker 1: And so this makeup artist was saying, don't put it
Speaker 1: too close to your lash line because naturally there are
Speaker 1: shadows where your bottom lashes are anyway, and if you
Speaker 1: put it all the way up, you look a little
Speaker 1: bit like a gerbil something else.
Speaker 2: We're talking about.
Speaker 3: Placing instead kind of on your cheekbone. Yeah, blending it upwards, uh, well,
Speaker 3: sort of blended down.
Speaker 1: So I'm putting it like I'm just letting that bit.
Speaker 1: You know how, Sometimes when if you don't take your
Speaker 1: makeup off properly, it looks really good the next day
Speaker 1: when it's a little bit smudgy around your lower lashes anyway,
Speaker 1: because it looks okay, I'm wearing using a phenomenal concealer
Speaker 1: that's super cheap.
Speaker 2: I hope they still have it.
Speaker 1: It's for us before it does good concealers. It's called
Speaker 1: best skin Ever, but it's called glow. They've got two
Speaker 1: varieties ones. It's sort of Matt. This is my one
Speaker 1: of my favorite concealers. I'm a bit of a concealer
Speaker 1: or whore. I would say, well, I call it about myself,
Speaker 1: like I love it. I'm happy with all of my concealers.
Speaker 1: I buy a lot of concealers, and I buy a
Speaker 1: lot of bensive concealers, but I always come back to
Speaker 1: this one because when you get a little bit more
Speaker 1: creepy under your eyes, you can't have anything to dry,
Speaker 1: and I can't use like, you know, the oily like
Speaker 1: the ones that are in like yeah, you know, in
Speaker 1: tubs and stuff. I have to use very liquidy ones.
Speaker 3: And as a blend well with your skincn other makeup products.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I really, I really love it.
Speaker 2: And also put it all the way up in.
Speaker 4: Up here, like putting it in the side of bone.
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called?
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Speaker 1: This has been your Friday episode. Enjoy your weekend. Maybe
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Speaker 3: Mamma mea acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on
Speaker 3: which we have recorded this podcast out louders.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to let you down.
Speaker 3: Friends. My dms are full.
Speaker 7: You're all like, come on, Holly, way in on this
Speaker 7: Harry and Meg's business, and look I would, But the
Speaker 7: truth that is, I am in Manchester, got some family
Speaker 7: things going on. Hands are full, but I am keeping
Speaker 7: a beady iron it all for you from close proximity.
Speaker 7: Not that wherever they're going to live probably the Cotswolds
Speaker 7: or somewhere fabulous like that is anywhere near Manchester. I
Speaker 7: don't think Manchester is on their real estate shortlist, but
Speaker 7: you never know.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 7: I can tell you that the vibe here is very
Speaker 7: divided between those who are like, oh, welcome home Harry,
Speaker 7: family reunion, isn't that nice? The King's obviously forgiven him
Speaker 7: and those who are like, are you kidding? They're traitors.
Speaker 7: I hope William chases them out with a shitty stick.
Speaker 7: So you know, either way, it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 7: But I can tell you I gasped. I gasped when
Speaker 7: I saw the news.
Speaker 8: I was like, after not great week, I was like
Speaker 8: this is Christmas for those of us who have been
Speaker 8: rooting for Harry and Meg's reunion.
Speaker 7: I will keep abreast of things for you. I know
Speaker 7: me is doing an amazing job. I will back with
Speaker 7: you soon.
Speaker 4: Lots of love,