1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,344 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,464 --> 00:00:19,024 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:27,864 Speaker 2: On From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily 5 00:00:27,944 --> 00:00:31,104 Speaker 2: pop culture fix. I'm Emburnham and I'm Laura Brodnick. 6 00:00:31,384 --> 00:00:33,944 Speaker 1: And on today's show, we are talking about a sexy 7 00:00:34,024 --> 00:00:36,424 Speaker 1: new Netflix movie that came out today, but it has 8 00:00:36,504 --> 00:00:40,464 Speaker 1: also kickstarted this whole big conversation about age gap romances 9 00:00:40,504 --> 00:00:43,944 Speaker 1: on screen, the saucy ones, the problematic ones. We're going 10 00:00:43,984 --> 00:00:46,264 Speaker 1: to get into all of that and we can watch 11 00:00:46,384 --> 00:00:47,544 Speaker 1: right the very Instagram. 12 00:00:48,584 --> 00:00:52,144 Speaker 2: But first, but first, I need to talk about another 13 00:00:52,504 --> 00:00:56,344 Speaker 2: Netflix piece of content. It's a docer series called America 14 00:00:56,424 --> 00:00:59,264 Speaker 2: Sweethearts Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. 15 00:01:00,544 --> 00:01:03,384 Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure every single night. Our job 16 00:01:03,464 --> 00:01:06,984 Speaker 1: is to make it look easy. Since I was little 17 00:01:07,064 --> 00:01:08,784 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowbys Shielders, that's what I want to do. 18 00:01:12,544 --> 00:01:15,344 Speaker 2: You might have seen it. It is currently number one 19 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:18,424 Speaker 2: in Top Australia shows. I was gonna save it for 20 00:01:18,504 --> 00:01:20,784 Speaker 2: my weekend watch, but I wanted to have a bigger 21 00:01:20,904 --> 00:01:23,904 Speaker 2: discussion about it. But it's still a massive recommendation for me. 22 00:01:23,904 --> 00:01:26,064 Speaker 2: I feel like everyone should watch it. All the episodes 23 00:01:26,104 --> 00:01:29,184 Speaker 2: are out now. I've only seen the first three episodes, 24 00:01:29,224 --> 00:01:30,944 Speaker 2: but that was because I had to get to sleep, literally, 25 00:01:31,864 --> 00:01:35,304 Speaker 2: but I am absolutely hooked. So it follows all the 26 00:01:35,384 --> 00:01:38,264 Speaker 2: women who are in this cheerleading team for one of 27 00:01:38,304 --> 00:01:41,304 Speaker 2: the biggest football teams in the US, the Dallas Cowboys. 28 00:01:41,544 --> 00:01:43,904 Speaker 2: For reference, they've won five Super Bowls. I don't think 29 00:01:43,944 --> 00:01:47,824 Speaker 2: they've won anything post the nineties, but I think that's 30 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:49,264 Speaker 2: still a big deal in my head. 31 00:01:49,304 --> 00:01:50,864 Speaker 1: I don't know how much. Haven't won a Super Bowl 32 00:01:50,864 --> 00:01:53,944 Speaker 1: since the nineties, Yeah, but they won five before that. Oh, 33 00:01:53,984 --> 00:01:55,744 Speaker 1: we're still counting that. Okay, Look, there's a lot of 34 00:01:55,784 --> 00:01:59,304 Speaker 1: things I know about football and sport, particularly American football 35 00:01:59,344 --> 00:02:01,984 Speaker 1: is all sport actually nothing, so I'm not going to 36 00:02:02,064 --> 00:02:04,064 Speaker 1: question that. But it feels like we might be holding 37 00:02:04,104 --> 00:02:06,064 Speaker 1: onto our glory years a bit too lobby. 38 00:02:06,664 --> 00:02:10,224 Speaker 2: But it's so interesting because out of all of the NFL, 39 00:02:10,664 --> 00:02:13,704 Speaker 2: there's so many. Travis Kelcey's on one. You might know him. 40 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:17,344 Speaker 2: The Dallas Cowboys is still the most valuable franchise, so 41 00:02:17,384 --> 00:02:19,944 Speaker 2: they make the most money in the all the teams. 42 00:02:20,184 --> 00:02:22,584 Speaker 2: They worth nine billion dollars. And this was from a 43 00:02:22,624 --> 00:02:25,424 Speaker 2: report that was done this year, each player and all 44 00:02:25,424 --> 00:02:28,704 Speaker 2: the people behind the scenes, behind the cameras. A lot 45 00:02:28,744 --> 00:02:31,304 Speaker 2: of them, like especially the players, are all like multimillionaire, 46 00:02:31,424 --> 00:02:33,944 Speaker 2: so they make so much money. That is different to 47 00:02:33,984 --> 00:02:37,664 Speaker 2: the cheerleading squad. So the women who are the cheerleaders 48 00:02:37,904 --> 00:02:40,064 Speaker 2: are barely paid. They see it kind of as a 49 00:02:40,064 --> 00:02:42,224 Speaker 2: badge of honor. It's not actually their full time job. 50 00:02:42,464 --> 00:02:44,544 Speaker 2: So many of them have to have full time jobs 51 00:02:44,544 --> 00:02:46,904 Speaker 2: to sustain themselves if they don't have family or friends 52 00:02:46,904 --> 00:02:49,104 Speaker 2: to help financially support them. One of them is like 53 00:02:49,104 --> 00:02:52,624 Speaker 2: an orthodontist, one of them works in finance, one of 54 00:02:52,664 --> 00:02:55,704 Speaker 2: them's a lawyer. Like these women do their full time jobs, 55 00:02:55,704 --> 00:02:57,584 Speaker 2: one of them's nurse. They do their full time jobs 56 00:02:57,584 --> 00:02:59,744 Speaker 2: in the day and then have to come to the 57 00:02:59,904 --> 00:03:03,064 Speaker 2: clubhouse at night and train and practice and try to 58 00:03:03,064 --> 00:03:05,464 Speaker 2: get on the squad. So the episodes I'm watching right 59 00:03:05,504 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 2: now is like all the tryouts. And what is also 60 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:11,784 Speaker 2: really interesting is that because you have to have a 61 00:03:11,784 --> 00:03:14,144 Speaker 2: certain look to being a cheerleader, it's quite similar to 62 00:03:14,184 --> 00:03:16,784 Speaker 2: beauty pageants. You have to be a really great dancer, 63 00:03:16,824 --> 00:03:18,624 Speaker 2: you have to be really flexible, you have to be 64 00:03:18,784 --> 00:03:21,384 Speaker 2: like a gymnast, but you also just also have to 65 00:03:21,464 --> 00:03:23,584 Speaker 2: look really good, which I hate saying, but you have 66 00:03:23,624 --> 00:03:27,864 Speaker 2: to have that like cheerleader, like pristine, very ideal woman 67 00:03:27,984 --> 00:03:28,784 Speaker 2: look yeah. 68 00:03:28,624 --> 00:03:31,424 Speaker 1: Like conventional beauty a very old fashioned way. 69 00:03:31,424 --> 00:03:33,344 Speaker 2: And they don't hold back when they're judging. So the 70 00:03:33,384 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 2: first round of trials is like they submit photos and 71 00:03:36,664 --> 00:03:38,944 Speaker 2: even resumes, like they have to say where they work, 72 00:03:38,984 --> 00:03:41,504 Speaker 2: what they do, like pretty much as if they're applying 73 00:03:41,504 --> 00:03:43,824 Speaker 2: for a college literally, and they have to submit videos 74 00:03:43,824 --> 00:03:45,904 Speaker 2: of them dancing. So many of them are like professional 75 00:03:45,944 --> 00:03:49,384 Speaker 2: ballet dancers, hip hop dancers. And then they judge their 76 00:03:49,424 --> 00:03:52,064 Speaker 2: portfolios and their head shots and they're like, oh, she's 77 00:03:52,104 --> 00:03:53,984 Speaker 2: a bit full in the face. Oh she's got a 78 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:55,944 Speaker 2: bit of a tummy, Like she's a great dancer, but 79 00:03:55,984 --> 00:03:57,864 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if she looks like a Dallas cowboy 80 00:03:57,944 --> 00:04:01,424 Speaker 2: cheerleader things like that. So out of that, they pick 81 00:04:01,464 --> 00:04:03,744 Speaker 2: around seventy to go into the next level, and they 82 00:04:03,784 --> 00:04:05,504 Speaker 2: all have to perform a solo in front of this 83 00:04:05,544 --> 00:04:08,984 Speaker 2: panel of judges. And these judges are not just judges, 84 00:04:09,304 --> 00:04:10,944 Speaker 2: like they're not just dance preferred. It was like one 85 00:04:10,944 --> 00:04:13,424 Speaker 2: of them was like a news reporter, like it's people 86 00:04:13,424 --> 00:04:17,024 Speaker 2: in their community who are judging these women. It's crazy 87 00:04:17,064 --> 00:04:19,304 Speaker 2: and they're like taking their job so seriously. There was 88 00:04:19,344 --> 00:04:22,184 Speaker 2: a meteorologist, like a weatherman who's judging and he's like, 89 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:23,864 Speaker 2: I don't think she has it. I'm like, how would 90 00:04:23,864 --> 00:04:24,144 Speaker 2: you know? 91 00:04:24,624 --> 00:04:27,904 Speaker 1: How would you know you're weather? This is blowing my mind. 92 00:04:28,064 --> 00:04:32,464 Speaker 2: Is actually insane. These women are like so so brilliant. 93 00:04:32,544 --> 00:04:34,344 Speaker 2: The only thing I can really compare it to is 94 00:04:34,584 --> 00:04:37,144 Speaker 2: Drive to Survive, which is the other Netflix series about 95 00:04:37,224 --> 00:04:40,224 Speaker 2: f one and I know that has a huge amount 96 00:04:40,264 --> 00:04:42,184 Speaker 2: of women who are watching that show, and I think 97 00:04:42,184 --> 00:04:44,264 Speaker 2: the best thing about that show is they dramatize it 98 00:04:44,344 --> 00:04:46,464 Speaker 2: so much, like these are the top twenty drivers in 99 00:04:46,504 --> 00:04:49,424 Speaker 2: the world and they're under so much pressure. These top 100 00:04:49,424 --> 00:04:53,704 Speaker 2: twenty drivers are nowhere close to this cheerleading team in Dallas. 101 00:04:53,784 --> 00:04:57,424 Speaker 1: It just goes to show how these legacy institutions around 102 00:04:57,424 --> 00:05:00,704 Speaker 1: beauty and fame are still so strong even today. Because 103 00:05:00,704 --> 00:05:03,064 Speaker 1: you think, if you're smart enough to be an orthodontist, 104 00:05:03,104 --> 00:05:05,664 Speaker 1: if you're talent enough to be a professional dancer. In 105 00:05:05,704 --> 00:05:07,744 Speaker 1: my mind and I understand, it's not this. It's like 106 00:05:07,784 --> 00:05:10,984 Speaker 1: almost limiting yourself by going to put yourself through this 107 00:05:11,064 --> 00:05:13,504 Speaker 1: and like lower your standards, lower your quality, of life 108 00:05:13,904 --> 00:05:16,344 Speaker 1: to be a cheerleader for a football team and not 109 00:05:16,384 --> 00:05:18,424 Speaker 1: even get paid when you and then also not even 110 00:05:18,464 --> 00:05:20,504 Speaker 1: to do it for a financial incentive, just to do 111 00:05:20,544 --> 00:05:23,384 Speaker 1: it because it's seen as prestigious. Okay, so it's on Netflix. 112 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:26,224 Speaker 1: Seven episodes are out now, I'm going to watch it. 113 00:05:26,264 --> 00:05:27,664 Speaker 1: But you have made me a bit scared of it. 114 00:05:27,744 --> 00:05:29,944 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think we'll discuss way more about this. 115 00:05:32,584 --> 00:05:34,984 Speaker 1: So A Family Affair is our on Netflix today. If 116 00:05:34,984 --> 00:05:36,984 Speaker 1: you haven't had a chance to watch it yet, that's fine. 117 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:38,544 Speaker 1: If you're to listen to this on a Friday, you're 118 00:05:38,544 --> 00:05:40,304 Speaker 1: probably working and that's a good thing to do. But 119 00:05:40,544 --> 00:05:43,544 Speaker 1: you know over the weekend. It's a new romantic comedy 120 00:05:43,584 --> 00:05:47,264 Speaker 1: and it stars zac Efron, Nicole Kidman also hot, and 121 00:05:47,984 --> 00:05:49,784 Speaker 1: Joey King hot cheers. 122 00:05:51,104 --> 00:05:53,704 Speaker 2: No, she's hot. She is just not my vibe. 123 00:05:53,784 --> 00:05:55,024 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just telling you the casts. I 124 00:05:55,024 --> 00:05:57,064 Speaker 1: didn't need you to rate their hotness. But I guess 125 00:05:57,144 --> 00:05:58,704 Speaker 1: that's where we are. It's a show with very good 126 00:05:58,744 --> 00:05:59,224 Speaker 1: looking people. 127 00:05:59,264 --> 00:06:00,144 Speaker 2: That's what I just want to say. 128 00:06:00,144 --> 00:06:04,784 Speaker 1: Three hot people. So zac Efron plays this very self 129 00:06:04,824 --> 00:06:09,024 Speaker 1: absorbed Hollywood star called Chris Cole. I was just I 130 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:11,424 Speaker 1: was pausing for you to say that. And Joey King 131 00:06:11,424 --> 00:06:14,624 Speaker 1: plays Zara Ford, who's his assistant not super keen on him, 132 00:06:14,664 --> 00:06:16,704 Speaker 1: thinks he's a bit of a jerk, and then finds 133 00:06:16,744 --> 00:06:20,144 Speaker 1: out that he's having a hot and heavy secret romance 134 00:06:20,184 --> 00:06:22,704 Speaker 1: with her mother Brook played by Nicole Kidman. 135 00:06:22,864 --> 00:06:26,944 Speaker 2: Oh if sorry, because me and Joe King are a 136 00:06:26,984 --> 00:06:29,744 Speaker 2: very similar age So if Zach was having an affair 137 00:06:29,784 --> 00:06:31,544 Speaker 2: with my mum, I would lose my shits. 138 00:06:31,744 --> 00:06:33,944 Speaker 1: Well she does in the movie spoiler at she kind 139 00:06:33,944 --> 00:06:35,784 Speaker 1: of a crush on him. No, I don't think it, 140 00:06:35,824 --> 00:06:38,584 Speaker 1: that's sort of fine. Why I think this is interesting 141 00:06:38,664 --> 00:06:40,544 Speaker 1: is that this is obviously, you know, a kind of 142 00:06:40,584 --> 00:06:43,344 Speaker 1: standard romantic comedy. It's not meant to be, you know, 143 00:06:43,384 --> 00:06:45,904 Speaker 1: a groundbreaking piece of cinema or anything like that. But 144 00:06:46,104 --> 00:06:48,784 Speaker 1: what people have really attached themselves to and what has 145 00:06:48,864 --> 00:06:52,144 Speaker 1: become so much the marketing spin of the movie is 146 00:06:52,184 --> 00:06:55,304 Speaker 1: the fact that Nicole Kimman, who's in her mid fifties now, 147 00:06:55,504 --> 00:06:58,264 Speaker 1: and zac Efron, who's in his mid thirties, obviously have 148 00:06:58,344 --> 00:07:00,344 Speaker 1: quite a big age gap, and that is a central 149 00:07:00,384 --> 00:07:02,824 Speaker 1: part of the movie. But it's opened up this whole 150 00:07:02,864 --> 00:07:07,624 Speaker 1: conversation around like this rise in age gap romances, especially 151 00:07:07,664 --> 00:07:09,944 Speaker 1: with an older woman and a younger man, And obviously 152 00:07:09,984 --> 00:07:12,784 Speaker 1: that's very tied into the idea of You that came 153 00:07:12,824 --> 00:07:15,704 Speaker 1: out this year on Prime Video, where Anne Hathaway plays 154 00:07:15,944 --> 00:07:20,024 Speaker 1: a woman who's just barely pushing forty, so a bit 155 00:07:20,024 --> 00:07:23,824 Speaker 1: of a different vibe then old her last leg. Well 156 00:07:23,864 --> 00:07:25,384 Speaker 1: in the movie, they make her out to be that, 157 00:07:25,504 --> 00:07:28,064 Speaker 1: and you see this beautiful woman, like just walk into 158 00:07:28,104 --> 00:07:30,664 Speaker 1: the room just in her you know the way, and 159 00:07:30,744 --> 00:07:32,424 Speaker 1: I look the same age. I'm just gonna say that 160 00:07:32,504 --> 00:07:35,624 Speaker 1: right now. Also, forty is very young anyway. Who starts 161 00:07:35,704 --> 00:07:39,024 Speaker 1: dating Nicholas Gallazines. I can't even remember that boy's name 162 00:07:39,304 --> 00:07:41,224 Speaker 1: in the movie. I did love that movie keeps. 163 00:07:41,064 --> 00:07:42,824 Speaker 2: Wanting to say August, but I'm like, no, that's the 164 00:07:42,904 --> 00:07:45,304 Speaker 2: name of the band, Yes, August Moon, who's. 165 00:07:45,024 --> 00:07:46,824 Speaker 1: A young rock star and they fall madly in love. 166 00:07:47,184 --> 00:07:49,624 Speaker 1: It's kind of frustrating that these two movies that have 167 00:07:49,984 --> 00:07:53,384 Speaker 1: really different plots but only one tiny similar theme, which 168 00:07:53,424 --> 00:07:55,784 Speaker 1: is that the age the leading lady is older than 169 00:07:55,784 --> 00:07:58,464 Speaker 1: the leading man, and that is a big reference in 170 00:07:58,504 --> 00:08:02,024 Speaker 1: these two movies. Apart from that, they're very different vibes. 171 00:08:02,384 --> 00:08:05,024 Speaker 1: But now people are talking about if this is kind 172 00:08:05,024 --> 00:08:08,304 Speaker 1: of like the new wave of movies and TV shows 173 00:08:08,304 --> 00:08:10,264 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and I don't think it's quite that. One 174 00:08:10,464 --> 00:08:13,784 Speaker 1: of the few things that is still startling to people 175 00:08:13,984 --> 00:08:16,504 Speaker 1: is to see an older woman with a younger man 176 00:08:16,624 --> 00:08:19,064 Speaker 1: and have them be in love. And so as a 177 00:08:19,064 --> 00:08:21,104 Speaker 1: lot of tropes get used over and over again, people 178 00:08:21,144 --> 00:08:23,384 Speaker 1: push them aside. I just think it's more so that 179 00:08:23,584 --> 00:08:26,984 Speaker 1: people leading into this because even though it's quite normal, 180 00:08:27,064 --> 00:08:27,944 Speaker 1: is seen as shocking. 181 00:08:28,344 --> 00:08:30,904 Speaker 2: I think what's like a big shock factor for me 182 00:08:31,184 --> 00:08:33,584 Speaker 2: is like they're not just like the age gap, but 183 00:08:33,664 --> 00:08:36,784 Speaker 2: it's always the younger man is always like a hearth rob. 184 00:08:36,984 --> 00:08:38,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's always. 185 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:42,064 Speaker 2: A man who, you know, like in I guess real 186 00:08:42,184 --> 00:08:46,384 Speaker 2: world times would usually be dating a younger woman. Yeah, 187 00:08:46,464 --> 00:08:49,104 Speaker 2: like much younger woman, and it's always like a zach Evron, 188 00:08:49,384 --> 00:08:52,424 Speaker 2: even like in real life, like Aaron Taylor Johnson. Yeah, 189 00:08:52,464 --> 00:08:55,584 Speaker 2: like that destroyed my childhood. Angerstong's on Perfect Sotogging. 190 00:08:55,584 --> 00:08:57,384 Speaker 1: It was my favorite movie when you found out that 191 00:08:57,544 --> 00:09:00,304 Speaker 1: hm San Taylor Johnson was his wife, Yeah, who's much 192 00:09:00,424 --> 00:09:03,744 Speaker 1: much older than him. Yeah, I mean with that particular relationship, 193 00:09:03,784 --> 00:09:06,144 Speaker 1: there are some people saying it's a bit problematic, problematic 194 00:09:06,224 --> 00:09:08,224 Speaker 1: because she met him when he's a teenager. You know 195 00:09:08,224 --> 00:09:11,144 Speaker 1: what happened, But yeah, exactly, they're age gap has always 196 00:09:11,144 --> 00:09:13,424 Speaker 1: been a thing that's really angered people. And when I 197 00:09:13,464 --> 00:09:15,984 Speaker 1: was going through like different movies and TV shows that 198 00:09:15,984 --> 00:09:18,584 Speaker 1: have had an age gap in the relationship, because there's 199 00:09:18,584 --> 00:09:19,704 Speaker 1: been so many, and I was like, I don't know, 200 00:09:19,744 --> 00:09:21,664 Speaker 1: I understand why this is bubbled up into a huge 201 00:09:21,664 --> 00:09:24,704 Speaker 1: thing now. And there are so many movies, obviously because 202 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:27,424 Speaker 1: it's Hollywood, where the leading man in the movie is 203 00:09:27,584 --> 00:09:29,944 Speaker 1: so much older than the woman in the movie. If 204 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:31,384 Speaker 1: I had put the full list here, we would have 205 00:09:31,384 --> 00:09:34,464 Speaker 1: been here for an hour just reading out the titles. 206 00:09:34,744 --> 00:09:36,984 Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about that is that none of 207 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:39,904 Speaker 1: these movies make a big deal of the fact that 208 00:09:39,944 --> 00:09:42,384 Speaker 1: the man is so much older, Like in the plot, 209 00:09:42,424 --> 00:09:45,104 Speaker 1: it's just a given because that's how I guess society 210 00:09:45,144 --> 00:09:47,544 Speaker 1: is supposed to act. So in Magic and the Moonlight, 211 00:09:47,784 --> 00:09:50,624 Speaker 1: Emma Stone is twenty five and Colin Firth is fifty three. 212 00:09:50,744 --> 00:09:52,424 Speaker 1: I know that's kind of like a point in the movie. 213 00:09:52,424 --> 00:09:55,184 Speaker 1: But still it's like when they walk the red carpet together, 214 00:09:55,224 --> 00:09:57,184 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that makes sense. And entrap Mean, 215 00:09:57,264 --> 00:09:59,104 Speaker 1: which came out many years Agoten off You was born, 216 00:09:59,344 --> 00:10:01,624 Speaker 1: But there was a thirty nine year age gap between 217 00:10:01,704 --> 00:10:03,824 Speaker 1: Catherine Zeda Jones, who was twenty nine at the time 218 00:10:03,944 --> 00:10:05,984 Speaker 1: and Sean Connery who was sixty eight, and they had 219 00:10:05,984 --> 00:10:08,104 Speaker 1: a hot and heavy romance. And in the movie that 220 00:10:08,224 --> 00:10:10,624 Speaker 1: was fine. That was just part of the romance. In 221 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:13,024 Speaker 1: Edge of Tomorrow, Tom Cruise is twenty years older than 222 00:10:13,064 --> 00:10:15,024 Speaker 1: Emily Blonde, but you still want them to get together. 223 00:10:15,304 --> 00:10:17,664 Speaker 1: Is he actually a plot point in the movie? Just 224 00:10:17,704 --> 00:10:20,824 Speaker 1: to given silver Lining's playbook, Jennifer Lawrence was twenty two, 225 00:10:21,104 --> 00:10:24,224 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper was thirty seven. Again not a huge propt point. 226 00:10:24,344 --> 00:10:26,104 Speaker 2: There was that big difference in focus. 227 00:10:26,144 --> 00:10:28,824 Speaker 1: Marco Robbie is twenty four and Will Smith was forty six. 228 00:10:29,264 --> 00:10:31,704 Speaker 1: Again not a plot point. No one talked about their 229 00:10:31,744 --> 00:10:33,864 Speaker 1: age gap or anything like that. It was just a given. 230 00:10:34,184 --> 00:10:36,104 Speaker 1: And even going back to something like Autum in New York, 231 00:10:36,184 --> 00:10:38,304 Speaker 1: Richard Gee was fifty and We're Known a Rider was 232 00:10:38,344 --> 00:10:41,664 Speaker 1: twenty eight. H Yeah, I've got the eck again. Some 233 00:10:41,744 --> 00:10:43,344 Speaker 1: of these like it's a little bit of a plot 234 00:10:43,384 --> 00:10:44,944 Speaker 1: point of the movie, but for most of them it's 235 00:10:45,024 --> 00:10:47,744 Speaker 1: just a given. Whereas if that was reverse and any 236 00:10:47,784 --> 00:10:49,864 Speaker 1: of these movies had an older leading woman with a 237 00:10:49,904 --> 00:10:52,664 Speaker 1: younger leading man. That would be the central theme of 238 00:10:52,704 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 1: the movie. 239 00:10:53,824 --> 00:10:57,024 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think also if any of those movies had 240 00:10:57,464 --> 00:11:00,664 Speaker 2: these same men but with women the same age, even 241 00:11:00,744 --> 00:11:03,024 Speaker 2: then people would still be like, oh, why is he 242 00:11:03,104 --> 00:11:05,344 Speaker 2: with like an older woman? Yeah, I'm like, they're the 243 00:11:05,424 --> 00:11:06,144 Speaker 2: same age. 244 00:11:06,264 --> 00:11:08,624 Speaker 1: It's like when Keanu Reeves first walked a red carpet 245 00:11:08,664 --> 00:11:11,264 Speaker 1: with his long term girlfriend Alexander and everyone was like, 246 00:11:11,664 --> 00:11:14,224 Speaker 1: what a brave man. He's a brave I'm like, first 247 00:11:14,224 --> 00:11:15,904 Speaker 1: of all, she's a few years younger than him, it's 248 00:11:15,944 --> 00:11:18,104 Speaker 1: just like she's got gray hair. But also just because 249 00:11:18,104 --> 00:11:20,504 Speaker 1: they're is similar age and he's a Hollywood heart throb, 250 00:11:20,784 --> 00:11:23,024 Speaker 1: it was seen as this like brave statement that he 251 00:11:23,184 --> 00:11:25,424 Speaker 1: was out in public with her, when he was really like, 252 00:11:25,464 --> 00:11:27,224 Speaker 1: this is just my girlfriend. I think she's hot. 253 00:11:27,344 --> 00:11:30,184 Speaker 2: What was the kind of talk around because this is 254 00:11:30,344 --> 00:11:32,984 Speaker 2: not the first time Nicole Kidman and zac Efron have 255 00:11:33,184 --> 00:11:36,144 Speaker 2: played lovers. Yes, they have played lovers before, which I 256 00:11:36,224 --> 00:11:38,144 Speaker 2: find so fun and so wild. 257 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:40,184 Speaker 1: They're just like a little acting duos. Kind of the. 258 00:11:40,104 --> 00:11:42,344 Speaker 2: Same talk that was happening in the public when they 259 00:11:42,584 --> 00:11:43,664 Speaker 2: start in the Paperboy. 260 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:45,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, that movie came out a while ago. I love 261 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:47,384 Speaker 1: her there like a little acting duo who comes back 262 00:11:47,424 --> 00:11:50,504 Speaker 1: together very so often people were more freaked out about 263 00:11:50,504 --> 00:11:52,904 Speaker 1: a seeing that movie where she urinates on him. But 264 00:11:52,904 --> 00:11:54,864 Speaker 1: there's like a reason for it. But yeah, they did 265 00:11:54,944 --> 00:11:56,384 Speaker 1: have a bit of a steamy sex scene, but it 266 00:11:56,424 --> 00:11:59,664 Speaker 1: was more seen as like an outrageous kind of sex 267 00:11:59,664 --> 00:12:01,744 Speaker 1: scene movie, whereas this is more of a straight laced 268 00:12:01,864 --> 00:12:04,104 Speaker 1: romantic comedy. So I think that's why people are more 269 00:12:04,144 --> 00:12:06,904 Speaker 1: fixated on their age gap this time around. So we 270 00:12:06,944 --> 00:12:09,104 Speaker 1: can't go past the movie that started at all in 271 00:12:09,144 --> 00:12:12,024 Speaker 1: pop culture, the big talking point for age gap romances, 272 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:14,104 Speaker 1: and that is the movie The Graduate, which came out 273 00:12:14,144 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. 274 00:12:16,184 --> 00:12:18,384 Speaker 2: You I have not seen this film. 275 00:12:18,424 --> 00:12:19,904 Speaker 1: I mean that's okay. I mean definitely gon't watch it 276 00:12:19,904 --> 00:12:20,624 Speaker 1: because it is a classic. 277 00:12:20,784 --> 00:12:21,584 Speaker 2: I don't know if I will. 278 00:12:21,864 --> 00:12:23,864 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's just good to watch these movies 279 00:12:23,904 --> 00:12:26,104 Speaker 1: to understand, Like, have you heard the term missus Robinson, 280 00:12:26,584 --> 00:12:30,064 Speaker 1: Like someone said, missus Robinson. That's from this movie. It's 281 00:12:30,104 --> 00:12:32,704 Speaker 1: because it's about a young twenty one year old guy 282 00:12:32,784 --> 00:12:35,984 Speaker 1: called Benjamin Braddock who was played by Dustin Hoffman, and 283 00:12:36,144 --> 00:12:39,584 Speaker 1: he gets seduced by a very sexy older woman called 284 00:12:39,744 --> 00:12:41,944 Speaker 1: Missus Robinson who was played by Anne Bancroft. 285 00:12:42,704 --> 00:12:47,904 Speaker 2: You're trying to seduce me, aren't you? 286 00:12:48,104 --> 00:12:50,144 Speaker 1: And they have this kind of wild affair and it's 287 00:12:50,184 --> 00:12:52,424 Speaker 1: this whole thing of her being like this very experienced 288 00:12:52,424 --> 00:12:54,464 Speaker 1: older woman in him being this young is a black 289 00:12:54,504 --> 00:12:59,024 Speaker 1: and white, wide eyed man, and he eventually falls in 290 00:12:59,064 --> 00:13:01,064 Speaker 1: love with her daughter, e Lane, which makes things very 291 00:13:01,264 --> 00:13:04,144 Speaker 1: scandal Yes, makes things very different, but like that was 292 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:06,664 Speaker 1: an age gap romance or more of just like an 293 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:10,224 Speaker 1: age gap you know, lusty film, But it really painted 294 00:13:10,424 --> 00:13:13,184 Speaker 1: this man of being pulled into the clutches of this 295 00:13:13,664 --> 00:13:16,464 Speaker 1: seductorous old woman who was like trying to have her 296 00:13:16,664 --> 00:13:18,984 Speaker 1: last little dig it life and then like it doesn't 297 00:13:19,064 --> 00:13:20,984 Speaker 1: end well between them. So it's not exactly the poster 298 00:13:21,064 --> 00:13:22,704 Speaker 1: child for what you want if you're in an age 299 00:13:22,704 --> 00:13:24,104 Speaker 1: gap romance, what you want to see on. 300 00:13:24,024 --> 00:13:29,984 Speaker 2: Screen romance, wasn't there towards the end? I have an 301 00:13:30,024 --> 00:13:33,904 Speaker 2: interesting one because I think what you mentioned before that 302 00:13:34,224 --> 00:13:36,464 Speaker 2: all the kind of like TV and films I've seen 303 00:13:36,504 --> 00:13:40,704 Speaker 2: with age gap romances was always the man much older 304 00:13:40,744 --> 00:13:43,464 Speaker 2: than the woman. But the times when they would really 305 00:13:43,464 --> 00:13:45,304 Speaker 2: show off the age gap between the man and woman 306 00:13:45,384 --> 00:13:48,144 Speaker 2: is always showing when there's a massive power balance. Ye, 307 00:13:48,504 --> 00:13:50,984 Speaker 2: Like it's always a bit creepy, where like it's a 308 00:13:51,024 --> 00:13:54,304 Speaker 2: man and she's an underage girl, or like he's CEO 309 00:13:54,624 --> 00:13:57,744 Speaker 2: and she's like the intern, and there's always that power 310 00:13:57,944 --> 00:14:00,184 Speaker 2: that the man has over the woman. But the first 311 00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:03,704 Speaker 2: time I saw an age gap relationship that I really 312 00:14:03,784 --> 00:14:05,544 Speaker 2: loved was in The Bowl Type. 313 00:14:05,624 --> 00:14:06,944 Speaker 1: I did not even think of that. 314 00:14:06,904 --> 00:14:10,064 Speaker 2: With Sutton and Riches, and in the beginning I was 315 00:14:10,144 --> 00:14:12,824 Speaker 2: quite scared because Richard's like on the board. So the 316 00:14:12,864 --> 00:14:14,864 Speaker 2: Bowl Type, if you haven't seen it, how would you 317 00:14:14,904 --> 00:14:16,104 Speaker 2: describe it? Kind of like mom and me? 318 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:18,144 Speaker 1: I man, I wouldn't go. Sorry. So it's about three 319 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:20,864 Speaker 1: young gir getting women who work at a glossy magazine 320 00:14:20,904 --> 00:14:23,504 Speaker 1: called and I Produce a Kim. It's like us. 321 00:14:24,104 --> 00:14:25,984 Speaker 2: So they're like working in like a magazine in New 322 00:14:26,064 --> 00:14:28,984 Speaker 2: York City. Sudden is kind of like she starts off 323 00:14:29,024 --> 00:14:31,944 Speaker 2: as an EA and then she moves into fashion and 324 00:14:32,224 --> 00:14:34,264 Speaker 2: Richard is one of the guys on the board of 325 00:14:34,304 --> 00:14:37,024 Speaker 2: the magazine, so he's like top dog. He's never really 326 00:14:37,064 --> 00:14:39,144 Speaker 2: on the floor. He just comes in for meetings and 327 00:14:39,184 --> 00:14:42,224 Speaker 2: then leaves. They fall in love. There's a massive age 328 00:14:42,264 --> 00:14:44,704 Speaker 2: gap between them, I think around fifteen years, and in 329 00:14:44,744 --> 00:14:46,784 Speaker 2: the beginning, I was so scared because I'm like, he's 330 00:14:46,904 --> 00:14:50,584 Speaker 2: like so big and she's like pretty much an intern. 331 00:14:51,384 --> 00:14:54,064 Speaker 2: And they do it so well where they genuinely fall 332 00:14:54,104 --> 00:14:56,904 Speaker 2: in love, they genuinely have respect for each other. He 333 00:14:57,024 --> 00:14:59,624 Speaker 2: leaves the role, she like moves up in the company, 334 00:14:59,904 --> 00:15:02,664 Speaker 2: and they also show her as just a powerful woman 335 00:15:02,744 --> 00:15:05,424 Speaker 2: in her career, like she's never tied to him, as 336 00:15:05,504 --> 00:15:08,744 Speaker 2: like someone taking advantage of her and her using his 337 00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:11,904 Speaker 2: position to like advance a It was done so well, 338 00:15:11,904 --> 00:15:14,384 Speaker 2: and I was so happy to see an age gap 339 00:15:14,464 --> 00:15:16,744 Speaker 2: relationship play like that on my screen, specially because I 340 00:15:16,784 --> 00:15:18,264 Speaker 2: was around the same age. 341 00:15:18,064 --> 00:15:19,624 Speaker 1: And you're looking for a hot executive, so. 342 00:15:19,664 --> 00:15:22,064 Speaker 2: I was like, I want a hot executed date, but 343 00:15:22,264 --> 00:15:24,104 Speaker 2: I can't because all these movies say. 344 00:15:23,944 --> 00:15:24,664 Speaker 1: It's really bad. 345 00:15:24,864 --> 00:15:26,584 Speaker 2: But now sudden saying that it's really good. 346 00:15:26,784 --> 00:15:28,424 Speaker 1: I don't know if that was quite the message to 347 00:15:28,464 --> 00:15:31,704 Speaker 1: Baltie was trying the ball type is all about. There 348 00:15:31,744 --> 00:15:33,704 Speaker 1: are a few good examples in pop culture, and one 349 00:15:33,704 --> 00:15:35,824 Speaker 1: of the ones that came to my mind very quickly 350 00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:37,744 Speaker 1: was the show Parenthood, which is one of the greatest 351 00:15:37,744 --> 00:15:41,944 Speaker 1: TV shows hood ever created. So Lauren Graham's character Sarah 352 00:15:41,944 --> 00:15:44,464 Speaker 1: on the show starts a relationship. I mean, it's a 353 00:15:44,504 --> 00:15:47,104 Speaker 1: little bit problematic because it's her daughter's high school teacher, 354 00:15:47,144 --> 00:15:49,264 Speaker 1: but once they move through that, it's fine. So she's 355 00:15:49,304 --> 00:15:52,784 Speaker 1: in her forties and she starts dating Jason Ritten's character Mark, 356 00:15:53,064 --> 00:15:56,104 Speaker 1: who's in his twenties, and they just had this really 357 00:15:56,144 --> 00:16:00,264 Speaker 1: beautiful romantic relationship. And the age gap is a big thing. 358 00:16:00,464 --> 00:16:02,184 Speaker 1: But also there's never a thing of like, she's a 359 00:16:02,224 --> 00:16:04,144 Speaker 1: crazy cougar, why does he want to be with her? 360 00:16:04,184 --> 00:16:06,224 Speaker 1: People like, we kind of get it because she's gorgeous 361 00:16:06,224 --> 00:16:08,704 Speaker 1: and funny and smart, and of course he wants to 362 00:16:08,744 --> 00:16:10,744 Speaker 1: date her and doesn't completely end well but between them, 363 00:16:10,744 --> 00:16:13,704 Speaker 1: but it doesn't end because it's this scandalous thing. So 364 00:16:13,744 --> 00:16:16,024 Speaker 1: I thought that was a really nuanced way to do 365 00:16:16,064 --> 00:16:18,144 Speaker 1: it that didn't paint the woman in a terrible light. 366 00:16:18,504 --> 00:16:21,024 Speaker 1: And also I've got to say Smith, Jared and Samantha 367 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:25,344 Speaker 1: Jones from Sexton City, Oh, I think best example example. 368 00:16:25,264 --> 00:16:27,784 Speaker 1: I didn't think of that, Like this is over twenty 369 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:29,504 Speaker 1: years ago, and they actually like that's one of the 370 00:16:29,544 --> 00:16:30,144 Speaker 1: few times. 371 00:16:29,944 --> 00:16:31,944 Speaker 2: Came about it right now, beautiful, that's one of. 372 00:16:31,904 --> 00:16:34,304 Speaker 1: The few times where Sex and City has aged quite well, 373 00:16:34,344 --> 00:16:36,064 Speaker 1: because you know he's in his thirds. 374 00:16:36,104 --> 00:16:38,064 Speaker 2: It also looks like they could be siblings or dating. 375 00:16:38,584 --> 00:16:40,384 Speaker 1: I mean, I hadn't though about that. It's a troubling thought. 376 00:16:40,584 --> 00:16:42,984 Speaker 1: There's an age gap between them, and it does come up, 377 00:16:43,064 --> 00:16:44,904 Speaker 1: especially when they go to the Richard Wrights party and she 378 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:47,344 Speaker 1: sees him as young and then has sex with Richard 379 00:16:47,424 --> 00:16:49,584 Speaker 1: regrets and they cry and hug and stay together forever 380 00:16:49,944 --> 00:16:51,424 Speaker 1: until the second movie. 381 00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:53,424 Speaker 2: And that was like her first like real relationship. 382 00:16:53,504 --> 00:16:56,104 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, but I also think it doesn't hide away 383 00:16:56,104 --> 00:16:58,744 Speaker 1: from the fact that they have an age gap, because 384 00:16:58,744 --> 00:17:01,824 Speaker 1: there's so many men in the series that the women 385 00:17:01,944 --> 00:17:03,984 Speaker 1: date that are much older than them, and it gets 386 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:05,984 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit, but not like Big is 387 00:17:06,024 --> 00:17:08,864 Speaker 1: a lot older than Carry, and that is never like 388 00:17:08,904 --> 00:17:12,064 Speaker 1: the central storyline. So with Samantha and Smith, it was 389 00:17:12,104 --> 00:17:14,304 Speaker 1: part of their story, but it wasn't the only feature, 390 00:17:14,344 --> 00:17:16,064 Speaker 1: and it was never seen as weird they were together 391 00:17:16,064 --> 00:17:17,864 Speaker 1: because again everyone was like, well, yeah, she's hot and 392 00:17:17,904 --> 00:17:20,304 Speaker 1: successful and amazing. Of course he wants to be with her. 393 00:17:20,384 --> 00:17:24,344 Speaker 1: So I like that. There are really positive representations, but 394 00:17:24,384 --> 00:17:26,704 Speaker 1: I think those have been forgotten with this new wave 395 00:17:26,744 --> 00:17:29,864 Speaker 1: of like Anne Hathaway, Nicole Kimmen and these movies of 396 00:17:29,904 --> 00:17:32,024 Speaker 1: people saying like, oh, look at this is so scandalous 397 00:17:32,024 --> 00:17:32,704 Speaker 1: because they're together. 398 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:35,224 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think, similar to Sex and the City, 399 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:37,904 Speaker 2: that there wasn't a big deal about Big and Carrie's 400 00:17:37,944 --> 00:17:40,424 Speaker 2: age gap relationship because I feel like it doesn't end 401 00:17:40,504 --> 00:17:42,024 Speaker 2: up being a big deal when the woman is of 402 00:17:42,064 --> 00:17:45,104 Speaker 2: a certain age, like Carrie in her thirties, but when 403 00:17:45,144 --> 00:17:47,584 Speaker 2: he was with Natasha in her twenties, that was a 404 00:17:47,584 --> 00:17:48,104 Speaker 2: big deal. 405 00:17:48,304 --> 00:17:50,064 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was only seen as a bad thing 406 00:17:50,064 --> 00:17:51,904 Speaker 1: for Carrie because it's like, all, that woman's younger than you, 407 00:17:51,984 --> 00:17:53,624 Speaker 1: But no one was saying to Big, why are you 408 00:17:53,704 --> 00:17:56,824 Speaker 1: dating a woman who's like twenty years younger than Oh? 409 00:17:56,904 --> 00:18:01,024 Speaker 1: Very problematic. And speaking of problematic, some movies really highlight 410 00:18:01,464 --> 00:18:04,824 Speaker 1: how dangerous an age gap can be when it's done 411 00:18:04,824 --> 00:18:07,344 Speaker 1: in a really extreme way, and I think the best 412 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:10,104 Speaker 1: movie to tackle that recently is May December. 413 00:18:10,504 --> 00:18:11,304 Speaker 2: Is that a true story? 414 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's based on a true story. So it's based 415 00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:16,424 Speaker 1: on the story of Mary Kayla Turno, who in nineteen 416 00:18:16,504 --> 00:18:20,144 Speaker 1: ninety seven, when she was in her thirties, groomed and 417 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:23,144 Speaker 1: then had sex with a thirteen year old student called 418 00:18:23,224 --> 00:18:26,264 Speaker 1: Villi Falula and was sentenced to prison, and then when 419 00:18:26,264 --> 00:18:28,424 Speaker 1: she got out of prison, they cooked up again. They 420 00:18:28,464 --> 00:18:30,384 Speaker 1: ended up having two children that she gave birth to 421 00:18:30,424 --> 00:18:33,024 Speaker 1: at different times in prison. When she was released, they 422 00:18:33,064 --> 00:18:35,424 Speaker 1: got married. It was a whole thing because she was 423 00:18:35,464 --> 00:18:38,024 Speaker 1: already married, had four children, because she was so much 424 00:18:38,024 --> 00:18:40,264 Speaker 1: older than him, and they did so many interviews and 425 00:18:40,304 --> 00:18:42,704 Speaker 1: they became this like kind of worldwide sensation while this 426 00:18:42,864 --> 00:18:46,224 Speaker 1: was happening, But it wasn't until much later when they separated, 427 00:18:46,224 --> 00:18:48,344 Speaker 1: and then she died from cancer a year later that 428 00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:50,944 Speaker 1: Villy was doing interviews saying that he doesn't believe that 429 00:18:50,984 --> 00:18:54,064 Speaker 1: a child should be married and should have entered into 430 00:18:54,104 --> 00:18:56,784 Speaker 1: a relationship with an older woman. But at the time 431 00:18:56,824 --> 00:18:58,504 Speaker 1: when people were asking him about it, when he was 432 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,184 Speaker 1: a teenager, he was like really backing up her story 433 00:19:01,224 --> 00:19:04,224 Speaker 1: that they are in love, and because well, yeah, exactly, 434 00:19:04,264 --> 00:19:06,744 Speaker 1: and because he's thirteen, like that's a child. And so 435 00:19:06,824 --> 00:19:09,464 Speaker 1: when May December came out, it was loosely based on that. 436 00:19:09,464 --> 00:19:12,624 Speaker 1: They changed a few things. So Julianne Moore plays Gracie, 437 00:19:12,664 --> 00:19:16,344 Speaker 1: who's based on Mary Kayla Turno, and Natalie Portman plays 438 00:19:16,384 --> 00:19:19,264 Speaker 1: an actress who is about to play her in a movie, 439 00:19:19,344 --> 00:19:22,864 Speaker 1: and so she travels to where Gracie lives, who is 440 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:27,424 Speaker 1: still living with her now husband. So she's meta yeah 441 00:19:27,464 --> 00:19:29,664 Speaker 1: who she's twenty four years old of I then played 442 00:19:29,704 --> 00:19:32,864 Speaker 1: by Charles Melton, so and so in the in the Yeah, 443 00:19:32,904 --> 00:19:34,384 Speaker 1: he's hot in real life, but in this you just 444 00:19:34,424 --> 00:19:37,024 Speaker 1: feel so sorry for him. So in the movie she 445 00:19:37,024 --> 00:19:39,144 Speaker 1: started sort of grooming him when he was thirteen and 446 00:19:39,184 --> 00:19:41,584 Speaker 1: she was thirty six. They're working at a pet store together. 447 00:19:41,584 --> 00:19:43,984 Speaker 1: They changed some of the details, and it's picking up 448 00:19:44,064 --> 00:19:47,184 Speaker 1: all these years later when their youngest daughter is about 449 00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:51,104 Speaker 1: to graduate from high school. And there's this moment through 450 00:19:51,144 --> 00:19:53,664 Speaker 1: the movie when Natalie Portman's character is into ing them 451 00:19:53,704 --> 00:19:55,424 Speaker 1: both because she's going to play her in this movie, 452 00:19:55,464 --> 00:19:57,504 Speaker 1: and she's trying to get their story and they're really 453 00:19:57,544 --> 00:20:00,264 Speaker 1: backing up, like we're in love, we chose this. We've 454 00:20:00,264 --> 00:20:02,984 Speaker 1: stood against everyone, and even their neighbors and friends have 455 00:20:03,144 --> 00:20:05,504 Speaker 1: like started defending them and come around to them. Like 456 00:20:05,544 --> 00:20:08,184 Speaker 1: it's like that the community has like rallied around them. 457 00:20:08,344 --> 00:20:11,224 Speaker 2: And is that because he's like now an adult technically. 458 00:20:10,864 --> 00:20:12,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he's now twenty four and sending his 459 00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:15,784 Speaker 1: kid off to college with one already in college like crazy. 460 00:20:15,984 --> 00:20:17,864 Speaker 1: But there is a scene later on where he like 461 00:20:17,904 --> 00:20:20,104 Speaker 1: breaks down sobbing, and it was like, you shouldn't have 462 00:20:20,144 --> 00:20:22,064 Speaker 1: done that to me, And you just see this kind 463 00:20:22,064 --> 00:20:24,344 Speaker 1: of like it is a brilliant actor. Yeah, he's so 464 00:20:24,384 --> 00:20:26,104 Speaker 1: good in this. Again, I just feel like it's a 465 00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:28,064 Speaker 1: real shame this movie didn't get a bunch of OSCAR 466 00:20:28,104 --> 00:20:30,344 Speaker 1: nominations because I just thought it was like so well 467 00:20:30,344 --> 00:20:32,544 Speaker 1: done in terms of how it portrays these characters. But 468 00:20:32,584 --> 00:20:36,344 Speaker 1: I think that was like showing the very unglossy side. Obviously, 469 00:20:36,864 --> 00:20:38,664 Speaker 1: you don't want to compare like the idea of your 470 00:20:38,864 --> 00:20:40,944 Speaker 1: at a family affair to this because this is like 471 00:20:40,944 --> 00:20:43,824 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old. Yeah, but I just think sometimes 472 00:20:43,864 --> 00:20:46,784 Speaker 1: people want to kind of when we talk about age gaps, 473 00:20:46,904 --> 00:20:49,544 Speaker 1: talk about when the two people are both adults. Yeah, 474 00:20:49,544 --> 00:20:51,224 Speaker 1: and that's a very different thing. So I just thought 475 00:20:51,264 --> 00:20:54,024 Speaker 1: in that case, it really showed a different storyline around. 476 00:20:54,024 --> 00:21:03,304 Speaker 2: That's the Weekend Watch. It's weekend watch time where we 477 00:21:03,344 --> 00:21:06,824 Speaker 2: give you a little treat and recommendation on what you 478 00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:09,584 Speaker 2: should watch this weekend because we've already done it and 479 00:21:09,624 --> 00:21:11,424 Speaker 2: we really want you to do it, And then you 480 00:21:11,464 --> 00:21:13,504 Speaker 2: can jump into our DMS and message and tell us 481 00:21:13,544 --> 00:21:16,024 Speaker 2: how good our recommendations are. I want to go first. 482 00:21:16,224 --> 00:21:20,224 Speaker 2: I am recommending a TV show that's out on Apple TV. 483 00:21:20,784 --> 00:21:23,504 Speaker 2: It's a series and it's dropping weekly, so the first 484 00:21:23,504 --> 00:21:28,704 Speaker 2: four episodes have already dropped. It's called Presumed Innocent and look. 485 00:21:28,864 --> 00:21:31,744 Speaker 2: After everything that happened with Taylor Swift, god love her, 486 00:21:32,064 --> 00:21:34,384 Speaker 2: I'm still obsessed with Jake Jillen Hall. 487 00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:36,584 Speaker 1: I think she'd be okay with that. She's over it. 488 00:21:37,224 --> 00:21:40,464 Speaker 2: He is the star of this TV series. It's so good. 489 00:21:40,744 --> 00:21:44,024 Speaker 2: He plays a lawyer named Rusty who in the first 490 00:21:44,064 --> 00:21:47,304 Speaker 2: episode you find out that his co worker is brutally 491 00:21:47,424 --> 00:21:50,784 Speaker 2: murdered and it's very scary, it's very sad, and because 492 00:21:50,824 --> 00:21:52,784 Speaker 2: they work in a law firm, all the lawyers are 493 00:21:52,824 --> 00:21:55,464 Speaker 2: kind of finding over who's representing the murder and Rusty 494 00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:57,664 Speaker 2: finally gets it. It is then revealed that he has 495 00:21:57,704 --> 00:22:00,024 Speaker 2: been having a fair with her and he has a 496 00:22:00,104 --> 00:22:02,704 Speaker 2: family and kids, and this all comes of surface and 497 00:22:02,744 --> 00:22:05,424 Speaker 2: it makes him the number one suspect in her murder, 498 00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,064 Speaker 2: and that is kind of what the show is all about. 499 00:22:08,064 --> 00:22:10,784 Speaker 2: So you're kind of following this trial and are seeing 500 00:22:10,824 --> 00:22:12,984 Speaker 2: like the behind the scenes of his family life, how 501 00:22:13,024 --> 00:22:16,544 Speaker 2: they're unraveling from it. Right now, there's only four episodes 502 00:22:16,544 --> 00:22:18,304 Speaker 2: are out, so i actually don't know what happened, but 503 00:22:18,344 --> 00:22:20,824 Speaker 2: I'm presuming it's something really juicy and good. It's a 504 00:22:20,824 --> 00:22:23,424 Speaker 2: bit thriller, it's a bit in mystery. I would not 505 00:22:23,504 --> 00:22:25,264 Speaker 2: recommend you watch it with your parents because it's a 506 00:22:25,304 --> 00:22:28,464 Speaker 2: bit sexy as well. But it's so so good. So 507 00:22:28,464 --> 00:22:30,144 Speaker 2: if anyone else is watching this, please let me know 508 00:22:30,184 --> 00:22:31,784 Speaker 2: it because I have theories and I want to share 509 00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:32,144 Speaker 2: them with you. 510 00:22:33,864 --> 00:22:39,504 Speaker 1: I did not kill her. Can somebody call my phone? 511 00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:40,224 Speaker 1: I'll call it. 512 00:22:41,744 --> 00:22:42,864 Speaker 2: Who is this? 513 00:22:42,864 --> 00:22:44,424 Speaker 1: Missus? G D Let me tell your mom? 514 00:22:44,464 --> 00:22:49,024 Speaker 2: She looks beautiful. Bye you guys. I just want to 515 00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:50,784 Speaker 2: make sure that we have everything exactly right. 516 00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:51,984 Speaker 1: Let's get started. 517 00:22:52,584 --> 00:22:54,544 Speaker 2: You are aware the Krolna balloon, miss murderer. 518 00:22:55,984 --> 00:22:57,784 Speaker 1: When was the last time you are in Krolhinn's apartment? 519 00:22:58,624 --> 00:22:59,744 Speaker 1: We had cases together. 520 00:23:00,304 --> 00:23:03,384 Speaker 2: Sometimes we would work after hours at her apartment. Your 521 00:23:03,384 --> 00:23:06,064 Speaker 2: fingerprints were found in her bedroom. 522 00:23:06,264 --> 00:23:17,144 Speaker 1: Were you and Carolina or romantically nice? Suspect mine's a 523 00:23:17,144 --> 00:23:18,864 Speaker 1: bit different, which is kind of good as we look 524 00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:20,824 Speaker 1: for when we came watch I am recommending a new 525 00:23:20,864 --> 00:23:23,344 Speaker 1: documentary that has just come out this week on Prime Video, 526 00:23:23,424 --> 00:23:25,904 Speaker 1: and it's called I Am Celendon. 527 00:23:25,584 --> 00:23:26,984 Speaker 2: I Am Selene Dion. 528 00:23:27,424 --> 00:23:30,104 Speaker 1: It's like she's in the room with us. It's a 529 00:23:30,184 --> 00:23:32,384 Speaker 1: bit of a difficult watch, but I think really important, 530 00:23:32,584 --> 00:23:35,944 Speaker 1: especially if you're a fan of Selendion as a musician, 531 00:23:36,104 --> 00:23:40,184 Speaker 1: or really for anyone, because her story is so interesting, heartbreaking, 532 00:23:40,304 --> 00:23:42,424 Speaker 1: but also just a really important look at her career. 533 00:23:42,664 --> 00:23:45,704 Speaker 1: This documentary is directed by Academy Award nominee Irene Taylor, 534 00:23:45,704 --> 00:23:48,744 Speaker 1: and it's shot really beautifully and it gives this very honest, 535 00:23:49,024 --> 00:23:52,504 Speaker 1: very raw look behind the scenes of Selene Dion's life 536 00:23:52,624 --> 00:23:55,144 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years as she is suffering 537 00:23:55,224 --> 00:23:59,264 Speaker 1: from stiff person syndrome, which is a rare autoimmune neurological 538 00:23:59,304 --> 00:24:01,904 Speaker 1: disorder that she was diagnosed with a couple of years 539 00:24:01,904 --> 00:24:05,304 Speaker 1: ago that causes her muscles to stiffen and spasm and 540 00:24:05,344 --> 00:24:08,544 Speaker 1: has this huge effect. There's a few really intense scenes 541 00:24:08,824 --> 00:24:11,944 Speaker 1: in the documentary where you see the full effects of 542 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,384 Speaker 1: what this syndrome is doing to her. And there are 543 00:24:14,384 --> 00:24:16,784 Speaker 1: some scenes that like the production company wanted to take 544 00:24:16,824 --> 00:24:18,424 Speaker 1: out and she fought them to stay in because she 545 00:24:18,464 --> 00:24:20,304 Speaker 1: was like, I just want people to see what's really 546 00:24:20,344 --> 00:24:23,984 Speaker 1: happening and obviously be really brave. Yeah, one hundred percent. 547 00:24:24,024 --> 00:24:30,464 Speaker 1: It's such a brave piece of storytelling, this documentary. My 548 00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:38,504 Speaker 1: voice is the conductor of my life. When your voice 549 00:24:38,544 --> 00:24:45,544 Speaker 1: brings you joy, my kids check in, you're the best 550 00:24:45,544 --> 00:24:57,184 Speaker 1: of yourself. I need my instrument. Sorry, emergency. Have been 551 00:24:57,224 --> 00:25:01,384 Speaker 1: diagnosed with a very rare neurological disorder. And I wasn't 552 00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:05,024 Speaker 1: treated to say anything before, but I'm ready now. 553 00:25:06,264 --> 00:25:07,664 Speaker 2: There weren't and obviously. 554 00:25:07,344 --> 00:25:09,584 Speaker 1: It would be awful for anyone to be diagnosed with 555 00:25:09,584 --> 00:25:12,104 Speaker 1: this syndrome, but I think particularly for someone who has, 556 00:25:12,424 --> 00:25:15,584 Speaker 1: you know, dedicated their entire life to performing on stage 557 00:25:15,584 --> 00:25:18,104 Speaker 1: for thousands and thousands of people and having their voice 558 00:25:18,104 --> 00:25:18,424 Speaker 1: and their. 559 00:25:18,344 --> 00:25:20,304 Speaker 2: Body because her body is literally her career. 560 00:25:20,464 --> 00:25:23,464 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And so I really highly recommend that you 561 00:25:23,504 --> 00:25:25,544 Speaker 1: watch it. Obviously there are some scenes that are difficult, 562 00:25:25,624 --> 00:25:27,864 Speaker 1: but it's really this beautiful love letter to her career 563 00:25:27,864 --> 00:25:29,904 Speaker 1: but also to her fans. And if you go on 564 00:25:29,944 --> 00:25:31,984 Speaker 1: and read messages from people who have watched and who 565 00:25:32,024 --> 00:25:34,064 Speaker 1: have loved her for years, it's really beautiful, like people 566 00:25:34,104 --> 00:25:37,064 Speaker 1: are really loving seeing her story. So I am sleinding 567 00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:40,064 Speaker 1: on on Prime Video. Well worth a watch, Thank you. 568 00:25:40,104 --> 00:25:42,704 Speaker 2: So much for listening to the Spill today. This month, 569 00:25:42,784 --> 00:25:46,984 Speaker 2: we actually have some good news. Mama Mia turned seventeen 570 00:25:47,184 --> 00:25:50,904 Speaker 2: years old. Birthdays aren't exciting for everyone. 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