1 00:00:10,365 --> 00:00:15,005 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Maya acknowledges 2 00:00:15,045 --> 00:00:18,205 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast. 3 00:00:17,765 --> 00:00:20,765 Speaker 2: Is recorded on Hello friends, it's Mea here, and I 4 00:00:20,805 --> 00:00:25,365 Speaker 2: had some news. The Naomi Watts interview that dropped a 5 00:00:25,405 --> 00:00:28,725 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago was actually my last No Filter 6 00:00:28,845 --> 00:00:30,045 Speaker 2: interview as host. 7 00:00:30,925 --> 00:00:32,565 Speaker 1: After ten years and. 8 00:00:32,805 --> 00:00:37,685 Speaker 2: Six hundred and fifty five episodes and sixty nine million downlides, 9 00:00:38,405 --> 00:00:41,405 Speaker 2: I have finally decided to hand over the mic to 10 00:00:41,485 --> 00:00:44,045 Speaker 2: a new host, and I wanted to be the one 11 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:46,045 Speaker 2: to tell you first, and also to tell you a 12 00:00:46,045 --> 00:00:48,925 Speaker 2: bit about how I came to this difficult decision. 13 00:00:49,925 --> 00:00:50,925 Speaker 1: If you've been listening to. 14 00:00:50,885 --> 00:00:52,605 Speaker 2: The show for a while, you might have noticed that 15 00:00:52,685 --> 00:00:55,285 Speaker 2: I've tried to step away a couple of times before, 16 00:00:55,365 --> 00:00:59,085 Speaker 2: when I've persuaded some very capable women to fill in 17 00:00:59,125 --> 00:01:01,165 Speaker 2: for me while I took a bit of a breather. 18 00:01:02,325 --> 00:01:04,965 Speaker 2: No Filter is one of the things I do here 19 00:01:05,005 --> 00:01:07,685 Speaker 2: at Muma Mia for a bit of background, but there 20 00:01:07,685 --> 00:01:09,885 Speaker 2: are lots of other things I do here as well. 21 00:01:09,925 --> 00:01:11,245 Speaker 1: I wear a few different hats. 22 00:01:11,285 --> 00:01:14,525 Speaker 2: I'm a co founder of the company, which started as 23 00:01:14,685 --> 00:01:16,925 Speaker 2: just me and is now a team of more than 24 00:01:16,965 --> 00:01:19,645 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty people. And I'm also a co 25 00:01:19,725 --> 00:01:22,165 Speaker 2: host on another podcast, which I hope you listen to, 26 00:01:22,285 --> 00:01:23,805 Speaker 2: called Mom and Me Are Out Loud, which is a 27 00:01:23,885 --> 00:01:27,845 Speaker 2: daily show and the third biggest podcast in the country. 28 00:01:28,405 --> 00:01:31,805 Speaker 2: I also write a newsletter called Babbel. I have three kids, 29 00:01:31,845 --> 00:01:36,125 Speaker 2: two dogs, and a granddaughter. And for the last seventeen years, 30 00:01:36,365 --> 00:01:40,125 Speaker 2: since Mum and mea began way back on my laptop, 31 00:01:40,845 --> 00:01:43,365 Speaker 2: I've just kept adding new things to my plate because 32 00:01:43,485 --> 00:01:46,325 Speaker 2: I love what I do. I love every single thing 33 00:01:46,365 --> 00:01:48,925 Speaker 2: that I do, and I've got so many ideas for 34 00:01:49,045 --> 00:01:52,165 Speaker 2: more things that I want to do. I love our 35 00:01:52,165 --> 00:01:54,885 Speaker 2: core purpose the most, and that's what drives every new 36 00:01:54,885 --> 00:01:57,285 Speaker 2: idea I have. And that core purpose is to make 37 00:01:57,325 --> 00:01:59,405 Speaker 2: the world a better place for women and girls. And 38 00:02:00,045 --> 00:02:03,685 Speaker 2: thinking about new ways to do that keeps me awake at. 39 00:02:03,685 --> 00:02:06,765 Speaker 1: Night, but in a really good way. And this podcast 40 00:02:06,805 --> 00:02:08,525 Speaker 1: has been and will continue. 41 00:02:08,125 --> 00:02:11,645 Speaker 2: To be a big part of that core purpose because 42 00:02:11,685 --> 00:02:14,525 Speaker 2: by inviting people to tell their stories on no filter, 43 00:02:14,645 --> 00:02:21,285 Speaker 2: in a candid and intimate, really vulnerable way that's sometimes 44 00:02:21,325 --> 00:02:25,725 Speaker 2: heartbreaking and it's often funny and it's always interesting, that 45 00:02:25,805 --> 00:02:29,285 Speaker 2: helps people. And I know this because you tell me 46 00:02:29,405 --> 00:02:33,765 Speaker 2: it helps you. To understand other people's experiences and perspectives, 47 00:02:34,405 --> 00:02:37,485 Speaker 2: and it helps you to feel seen if perhaps you've 48 00:02:37,565 --> 00:02:42,645 Speaker 2: experienced something similar without getting too kumbaya about it. Sitting 49 00:02:42,685 --> 00:02:45,925 Speaker 2: across from people in this studio where I'm talking to 50 00:02:45,965 --> 00:02:49,325 Speaker 2: you from now. Sometimes they're famous people, but usually they're 51 00:02:49,325 --> 00:02:52,645 Speaker 2: not famous people, and sitting here while they talk about 52 00:02:52,645 --> 00:02:55,605 Speaker 2: some of their most vulnerable moments, about some of the 53 00:02:55,645 --> 00:03:03,005 Speaker 2: most wonderful, shocking, astonishing, or devastating, often usually unexpected things 54 00:03:03,005 --> 00:03:06,525 Speaker 2: that have happened to them. That is an absolute privilege, 55 00:03:07,045 --> 00:03:09,325 Speaker 2: and I take that responsibility very serious. 56 00:03:10,045 --> 00:03:12,205 Speaker 1: We all do here at Mama Mea. 57 00:03:12,685 --> 00:03:16,005 Speaker 2: Every single person who works on this show and at 58 00:03:16,005 --> 00:03:19,325 Speaker 2: this company is aware of what a responsibility it is 59 00:03:19,405 --> 00:03:21,645 Speaker 2: to have the trust of someone that you've never met, 60 00:03:22,005 --> 00:03:26,565 Speaker 2: who lets you ask the most personal or difficult, sometimes 61 00:03:26,605 --> 00:03:32,165 Speaker 2: intrusive and often confronting and outrageous questions, which is what 62 00:03:32,245 --> 00:03:35,765 Speaker 2: we do. And there's a moment in every interview when 63 00:03:35,805 --> 00:03:38,965 Speaker 2: it feels like I'm flying, when you connect with someone 64 00:03:39,245 --> 00:03:42,565 Speaker 2: and help them to express themselves or maybe tell a 65 00:03:42,605 --> 00:03:46,285 Speaker 2: story that they've never shared before. And that's why I've 66 00:03:46,325 --> 00:03:48,925 Speaker 2: loved doing it every single week for ten years. It's 67 00:03:48,925 --> 00:03:52,405 Speaker 2: been a joy and a gift to have those conversations 68 00:03:52,445 --> 00:03:56,605 Speaker 2: and put them out into the world. So why am 69 00:03:56,605 --> 00:03:59,725 Speaker 2: I leaving, Well, I'm not really leaving. And the thing 70 00:03:59,765 --> 00:04:01,925 Speaker 2: to understand and that I wanted to explain to you 71 00:04:02,245 --> 00:04:05,045 Speaker 2: is as much as I love doing it, it's not 72 00:04:05,285 --> 00:04:08,445 Speaker 2: always easy. And it was very hard at the beginning 73 00:04:08,525 --> 00:04:11,125 Speaker 2: ten years ago when we first started this show, me 74 00:04:11,565 --> 00:04:16,365 Speaker 2: and my original producer and creative partner, Eliza Ratliffe, we 75 00:04:16,605 --> 00:04:20,525 Speaker 2: really struggled to book guests. Back then, nobody even knew 76 00:04:20,525 --> 00:04:23,685 Speaker 2: what a podcast was, and Muma Mia certainly wasn't the 77 00:04:23,725 --> 00:04:28,165 Speaker 2: size it is now. Legacy media like you know, magazines 78 00:04:28,245 --> 00:04:31,565 Speaker 2: and newspapers and radio and TV, they still had an 79 00:04:31,605 --> 00:04:36,405 Speaker 2: absolute iron group on publicists and guests and celebrities who 80 00:04:36,405 --> 00:04:40,125 Speaker 2: had no idea how fast women were moving to websites 81 00:04:40,165 --> 00:04:44,045 Speaker 2: like Mamma Mea and podcasts like No Filter. So for 82 00:04:44,085 --> 00:04:46,725 Speaker 2: the first year or so, it was so hard to 83 00:04:46,805 --> 00:04:48,845 Speaker 2: land anyone to be on this show. I just called 84 00:04:48,885 --> 00:04:51,685 Speaker 2: in favors from friends who worked in the media and 85 00:04:51,845 --> 00:04:54,125 Speaker 2: I'd try to persuade them to talk to me for 86 00:04:54,165 --> 00:04:56,485 Speaker 2: an hour. And that was the first few months of 87 00:04:56,525 --> 00:04:59,925 Speaker 2: the show. But we quickly realized that the interviews that 88 00:04:59,965 --> 00:05:02,965 Speaker 2: were the most interesting, both for me as an interviewer 89 00:05:03,005 --> 00:05:07,125 Speaker 2: and for the audience were actually normies, regular people who 90 00:05:07,125 --> 00:05:11,645 Speaker 2: weren't famous but who had expeperienced incredible things, and those 91 00:05:11,645 --> 00:05:13,725 Speaker 2: have always been my favorite interviews to do. 92 00:05:14,125 --> 00:05:15,685 Speaker 1: So anyway me I get to the point. 93 00:05:16,005 --> 00:05:18,645 Speaker 2: Okay, hosting this show is a joy, as I said, 94 00:05:18,685 --> 00:05:20,725 Speaker 2: but it's also a responsibility, and it. 95 00:05:20,765 --> 00:05:22,485 Speaker 1: Takes a hell of a lot of work. 96 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:25,325 Speaker 2: I used to think I could just keep piling on 97 00:05:25,605 --> 00:05:28,365 Speaker 2: more and more things, but in the last couple of years, 98 00:05:28,445 --> 00:05:31,645 Speaker 2: I've realized that I can't, and also I don't want to. 99 00:05:32,485 --> 00:05:35,925 Speaker 2: I've realized that if creatively I want to try some 100 00:05:36,045 --> 00:05:39,525 Speaker 2: new things and work on some new projects, and also 101 00:05:39,805 --> 00:05:42,925 Speaker 2: pay respect to the projects that I've already created, like 102 00:05:42,965 --> 00:05:45,965 Speaker 2: this show, I have to hand some things over. I 103 00:05:45,965 --> 00:05:48,365 Speaker 2: have to make some room in my life to open 104 00:05:48,405 --> 00:05:52,845 Speaker 2: new doors, which means, by definition, I have to close 105 00:05:53,165 --> 00:05:57,205 Speaker 2: some others. For two years, I reckon, I've been thinking 106 00:05:57,205 --> 00:06:00,125 Speaker 2: about this on and off, and I've had times when 107 00:06:00,165 --> 00:06:04,645 Speaker 2: I've thought more or less seriously about stepping away, But honestly, 108 00:06:05,725 --> 00:06:08,925 Speaker 2: the time never been right for a ton of different reasons. 109 00:06:09,725 --> 00:06:13,165 Speaker 2: But now though it's time, and a big part of 110 00:06:13,205 --> 00:06:17,405 Speaker 2: the reason why it is time and why right now 111 00:06:17,485 --> 00:06:19,525 Speaker 2: is different to the other times I may have thought 112 00:06:19,525 --> 00:06:23,365 Speaker 2: about trying to step away, It's because I've needed to 113 00:06:23,405 --> 00:06:25,525 Speaker 2: find the right hands to take the wheel of this 114 00:06:25,685 --> 00:06:29,605 Speaker 2: show that means so so much to me and so 115 00:06:29,765 --> 00:06:32,805 Speaker 2: much to so many of you. And I found those 116 00:06:32,925 --> 00:06:36,445 Speaker 2: hands in our executive producer, Nama Brown, who I've been 117 00:06:36,445 --> 00:06:38,005 Speaker 2: working with for a while now. 118 00:06:38,285 --> 00:06:42,325 Speaker 1: And of course No Filter's new host, Kate Langbrook. 119 00:06:43,285 --> 00:06:45,805 Speaker 2: Kate was my first and only pick to host No 120 00:06:45,885 --> 00:06:49,485 Speaker 2: Filter when I took my first proper break last summer, 121 00:06:49,645 --> 00:06:52,725 Speaker 2: and god damn it, she managed to make the most 122 00:06:52,725 --> 00:06:56,365 Speaker 2: downloaded episode of the year. Her interview with Andy Lee 123 00:06:56,565 --> 00:07:00,965 Speaker 2: was an absolute masterclass, one of the best interviews I've 124 00:07:01,005 --> 00:07:03,885 Speaker 2: ever heard. I mean, I knew she was good. Of 125 00:07:03,885 --> 00:07:06,805 Speaker 2: course I knew she was good. She was not only 126 00:07:06,845 --> 00:07:08,965 Speaker 2: my first choice, as I said, she was my only choice. 127 00:07:08,965 --> 00:07:12,365 Speaker 2: And want to tell you why. There are an insane 128 00:07:12,445 --> 00:07:14,565 Speaker 2: number of interview podcasts around now. 129 00:07:14,925 --> 00:07:16,965 Speaker 1: You may have noticed. Some of them are. 130 00:07:16,845 --> 00:07:21,765 Speaker 2: Great, a lot of them are pretty average, because interviewing is. 131 00:07:21,725 --> 00:07:23,845 Speaker 1: So much harder than it may seem. 132 00:07:24,605 --> 00:07:28,845 Speaker 2: And I started off pretty terrible, but I have learned. 133 00:07:28,885 --> 00:07:32,765 Speaker 2: I've learned a huge amount from the greats Andrew Denton, 134 00:07:33,365 --> 00:07:37,485 Speaker 2: Richard Feibler, Terry Gross, Oprah. And what they all have 135 00:07:37,565 --> 00:07:40,965 Speaker 2: in common is how driven they are by one thing, 136 00:07:41,085 --> 00:07:45,605 Speaker 2: and that is curiosity. They all want to understand people better, 137 00:07:45,845 --> 00:07:49,165 Speaker 2: whether that person is a prime minister, or an oscar 138 00:07:49,205 --> 00:07:50,965 Speaker 2: winner or a school teacher. 139 00:07:52,165 --> 00:07:52,645 Speaker 1: No filter. 140 00:07:52,725 --> 00:07:56,485 Speaker 2: Is driven by curiosity. That powers everything we do here. 141 00:07:56,885 --> 00:08:00,925 Speaker 2: By compassion and empathy also, for sure, But and this 142 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:06,125 Speaker 2: is important, also by humor because even in the darkest situation, 143 00:08:06,485 --> 00:08:10,045 Speaker 2: in fact, especially in the darkest situation, humour can be 144 00:08:10,085 --> 00:08:13,765 Speaker 2: found and human needs to be found. And Kate Langbrook 145 00:08:13,845 --> 00:08:17,325 Speaker 2: has every single trait that I admire as an interviewer 146 00:08:17,685 --> 00:08:21,365 Speaker 2: and as a human being. She's maternal. You don't need 147 00:08:21,405 --> 00:08:23,285 Speaker 2: to have kids to be maternal, by the way, even 148 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:26,445 Speaker 2: though she has four. This show does, though, requires some 149 00:08:26,485 --> 00:08:28,485 Speaker 2: big mum energy, whether you've got kids or not, so 150 00:08:28,525 --> 00:08:32,005 Speaker 2: that your guests feel safe and cared for and protected 151 00:08:32,085 --> 00:08:34,245 Speaker 2: when they're telling their stories and opening up to you. 152 00:08:34,885 --> 00:08:39,405 Speaker 2: She's also funny. She doesn't take herself or anyone too seriously. 153 00:08:40,045 --> 00:08:41,325 Speaker 1: She's self deprecating. 154 00:08:41,885 --> 00:08:45,165 Speaker 2: She is really original in the way she thinks about things, 155 00:08:45,245 --> 00:08:49,405 Speaker 2: and she is so so smart, and she's also very 156 00:08:49,525 --> 00:08:53,525 Speaker 2: very secure, and I'll tell you why that's important. She's 157 00:08:53,605 --> 00:08:57,605 Speaker 2: not trying to impress anyone or play to an agenda 158 00:08:58,445 --> 00:09:04,405 Speaker 2: or get followers, or be cool or virtue signal. She's 159 00:09:04,445 --> 00:09:09,285 Speaker 2: also comfortable going straight from small talk to intense, noble shit. 160 00:09:09,525 --> 00:09:13,045 Speaker 2: Kate just wants to have fascinating conversations with anyone on 161 00:09:13,125 --> 00:09:17,405 Speaker 2: air or off air. Gosh, listen to me. Do I 162 00:09:17,445 --> 00:09:19,805 Speaker 2: want to give her no filter? Or do I want 163 00:09:19,805 --> 00:09:20,365 Speaker 2: to marry her? 164 00:09:20,765 --> 00:09:22,925 Speaker 1: Maybe both? So there it is. 165 00:09:23,445 --> 00:09:26,925 Speaker 2: Next week is Kate's first show. She'll be the first 166 00:09:27,125 --> 00:09:31,645 Speaker 2: voice that you hear, and she has a very special guest. 167 00:09:32,045 --> 00:09:33,565 Speaker 1: It's me. I'm the guest. 168 00:09:34,445 --> 00:09:36,685 Speaker 2: I never do long form interviews because I'm scared of 169 00:09:36,685 --> 00:09:37,485 Speaker 2: getting canceled. 170 00:09:37,685 --> 00:09:38,445 Speaker 1: That's the truth. 171 00:09:38,925 --> 00:09:42,245 Speaker 2: But I trust Kate, and I trust you, my beloved 172 00:09:42,765 --> 00:09:45,405 Speaker 2: no Filter listeners. And I do feel like it's a 173 00:09:45,445 --> 00:09:47,725 Speaker 2: safe place, of course, for me to talk in a 174 00:09:47,725 --> 00:09:50,605 Speaker 2: more in depth and personal way about what the last 175 00:09:50,605 --> 00:09:53,525 Speaker 2: couple of years have been like leading up to this decision. 176 00:09:54,325 --> 00:09:57,325 Speaker 2: And there are laughs and there are tears. It's very 177 00:09:57,365 --> 00:09:59,885 Speaker 2: no filter. It's actually a little bit more like an 178 00:09:59,965 --> 00:10:03,525 Speaker 2: in conversation because I also ask Kate a lot of questions. 179 00:10:03,845 --> 00:10:05,605 Speaker 1: Just try and stop me. 180 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,085 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, if you feel like you're going to miss me, 181 00:10:08,245 --> 00:10:11,365 Speaker 2: thank you, and you can still hear me every day 182 00:10:11,565 --> 00:10:13,885 Speaker 2: on out Loud. I'll put a link in the show 183 00:10:13,925 --> 00:10:15,805 Speaker 2: notes so that you can also sign up for my 184 00:10:15,965 --> 00:10:19,485 Speaker 2: free newsletter called Babbel, where I write and post videos 185 00:10:19,525 --> 00:10:21,805 Speaker 2: of me chatting while I put on my makeup and 186 00:10:22,085 --> 00:10:25,445 Speaker 2: all kinds of things. But the last thing I want 187 00:10:25,485 --> 00:10:27,885 Speaker 2: to say is thank you. Thank you to every single 188 00:10:27,965 --> 00:10:31,805 Speaker 2: guest who has trusted me with their most personal stories. 189 00:10:32,645 --> 00:10:36,085 Speaker 2: Thank you to Eliza Ratliffe, my creative partner on No 190 00:10:36,165 --> 00:10:39,885 Speaker 2: Filter for so many years, To all the executive producers 191 00:10:39,925 --> 00:10:43,365 Speaker 2: and audio producers that have worked on the show since then, 192 00:10:44,125 --> 00:10:47,165 Speaker 2: and most of all, to you to every single one 193 00:10:47,165 --> 00:10:50,685 Speaker 2: of you who's reached out online or stopped me in 194 00:10:50,725 --> 00:10:54,525 Speaker 2: the street or left a review to tell me about 195 00:10:54,525 --> 00:10:58,005 Speaker 2: an interview that you loved or that moved you or 196 00:10:58,165 --> 00:11:01,885 Speaker 2: gave you a new perspective on the very wonderful, complicated 197 00:11:01,965 --> 00:11:05,725 Speaker 2: experience of being human, which is what this shows about. 198 00:11:06,525 --> 00:11:08,925 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me in your ears for the 199 00:11:09,005 --> 00:11:12,285 Speaker 2: last ten years on No Filter. It has been super 200 00:11:12,285 --> 00:11:16,165 Speaker 2: cozy in here. Kate's gonna love it, and you're gonna 201 00:11:16,165 --> 00:11:16,525 Speaker 2: love her.