1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,504 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,544 --> 00:00:29,904 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick, 5 00:00:29,944 --> 00:00:33,304 Speaker 2: and today we are joined by a very special guest host. 6 00:00:33,664 --> 00:00:35,624 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm special anymore. I think if 7 00:00:35,664 --> 00:00:37,704 Speaker 1: I do it enough times, I'm just like you know, 8 00:00:38,224 --> 00:00:40,424 Speaker 1: that chick that hasn't got anything else on. 9 00:00:40,544 --> 00:00:44,544 Speaker 2: So no, I think you're very special, thinking Bay. Also, 10 00:00:44,624 --> 00:00:46,344 Speaker 2: I wasn't here with you last time because you were 11 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:48,304 Speaker 2: filling in for me, So this is new and exciting 12 00:00:48,344 --> 00:00:48,544 Speaker 2: for me. 13 00:00:48,624 --> 00:00:51,144 Speaker 1: Again, it's true, and I've never seen your name in 14 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:53,264 Speaker 1: the same room. I don't Maybe you are the same person. 15 00:00:53,384 --> 00:00:56,984 Speaker 2: Maybe we are the Clark Kent and Superman of Mamma Mia. 16 00:00:57,624 --> 00:00:59,424 Speaker 2: We should say it's Ash London. Do we say that? 17 00:00:59,704 --> 00:00:59,824 Speaker 3: No? 18 00:00:59,984 --> 00:01:01,424 Speaker 1: I don't know it's Ash London. 19 00:01:01,464 --> 00:01:05,744 Speaker 4: Hello, people know your voice. Coming up on the show today. 20 00:01:05,944 --> 00:01:09,264 Speaker 2: Two stories that should be very different, but weirdly might 21 00:01:09,304 --> 00:01:12,984 Speaker 2: have similar themes. We are breaking down the alleged feud 22 00:01:13,064 --> 00:01:15,744 Speaker 2: between Charlie XCX and Taylor Swift because there have been 23 00:01:15,784 --> 00:01:18,824 Speaker 2: some new developments there, and there has been even more 24 00:01:18,904 --> 00:01:21,384 Speaker 2: fallout from pretty much one of the biggest shows of 25 00:01:21,384 --> 00:01:25,024 Speaker 2: the year, the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders documentary on Netflix. We're 26 00:01:25,024 --> 00:01:28,144 Speaker 2: getting into both of those things, but first a slightly 27 00:01:28,144 --> 00:01:28,864 Speaker 2: different story. 28 00:01:29,384 --> 00:01:31,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think if there was a 29 00:01:31,544 --> 00:01:34,864 Speaker 1: natural bridge that I could hop over to get from 30 00:01:34,904 --> 00:01:37,784 Speaker 1: those amazing stories to Armie Hamma, the cannibal who really 31 00:01:37,824 --> 00:01:41,264 Speaker 1: wasn't a cannibal after all, but it's the thing that 32 00:01:41,304 --> 00:01:43,624 Speaker 1: we all know him for. Unfortunately, we've forgotten about all 33 00:01:43,664 --> 00:01:46,784 Speaker 1: of his breakout acting roles. Arm He has resurfaced on 34 00:01:46,864 --> 00:01:49,304 Speaker 1: the socials complaining about the price of gas because he's 35 00:01:49,344 --> 00:01:50,384 Speaker 1: just like every man's man. 36 00:01:50,464 --> 00:01:51,384 Speaker 4: He's a regular guy. 37 00:01:51,864 --> 00:01:54,664 Speaker 1: He is just a regular guy who can no longer 38 00:01:54,704 --> 00:01:57,504 Speaker 1: afford to put gas in his truck. He's the audio 39 00:01:57,584 --> 00:01:58,224 Speaker 1: if you missed it. 40 00:01:58,624 --> 00:02:01,264 Speaker 5: So I've been back in LA for a couple of 41 00:02:01,304 --> 00:02:03,544 Speaker 5: weeks now. This is my truck. 42 00:02:05,104 --> 00:02:09,504 Speaker 6: I bought this for myself in twenty seventeen as a 43 00:02:09,584 --> 00:02:12,464 Speaker 6: Christmas gift for myself because I've had pickup trucks for 44 00:02:12,464 --> 00:02:15,344 Speaker 6: a long time and I have loved this truck intensely 45 00:02:15,464 --> 00:02:18,544 Speaker 6: and taken it camping and across country multiple times and 46 00:02:18,544 --> 00:02:20,904 Speaker 6: on long road trips, and I took it for one 47 00:02:20,984 --> 00:02:21,824 Speaker 6: last road trip. 48 00:02:23,464 --> 00:02:27,464 Speaker 5: It's Carmacks. This is not an ad for Carmacks. This 49 00:02:27,664 --> 00:02:34,224 Speaker 5: is because I'm selling my truck. Since being back in 50 00:02:34,344 --> 00:02:35,624 Speaker 5: LA I. 51 00:02:35,704 --> 00:02:40,304 Speaker 6: Have put about four or five hundred dollars worth of 52 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:43,704 Speaker 6: gas in it and I can't afford it. 53 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:45,064 Speaker 5: I can't afford the gas anymore. 54 00:02:45,784 --> 00:02:49,944 Speaker 1: The irony that he is an oil and petroleum air 55 00:02:50,224 --> 00:02:52,984 Speaker 1: like his grandfather was worth eight hundred million dollars that 56 00:02:53,024 --> 00:02:56,384 Speaker 1: he made through oil. But I think maybe, you know, 57 00:02:56,464 --> 00:02:59,544 Speaker 1: one of those things where like rich people don't actually 58 00:02:59,664 --> 00:03:02,584 Speaker 1: understand what it's really like to be poor. So he 59 00:03:02,744 --> 00:03:05,744 Speaker 1: can say this without much consequence because he's like, but 60 00:03:05,864 --> 00:03:08,504 Speaker 1: I'm never really going to starve, Like is he trying 61 00:03:08,544 --> 00:03:10,184 Speaker 1: to be like us? Is there a play? 62 00:03:10,784 --> 00:03:10,984 Speaker 4: Yeah? 63 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:12,784 Speaker 2: What I think is interesting here is when I first 64 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:14,784 Speaker 2: saw this video and I don't follow Armie Hammer. 65 00:03:14,784 --> 00:03:15,664 Speaker 4: I'm assuming you don't either. 66 00:03:16,704 --> 00:03:19,544 Speaker 1: I know you right to him biggest fan. 67 00:03:19,704 --> 00:03:22,224 Speaker 2: I can't even say I was a fan before the downfall, 68 00:03:22,344 --> 00:03:24,264 Speaker 2: but no, he's never really been my cup of tea 69 00:03:24,304 --> 00:03:26,584 Speaker 2: in the acting world. And so I first saw this 70 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:28,744 Speaker 2: video when a lot of outlets started sharing it, and 71 00:03:28,784 --> 00:03:30,824 Speaker 2: so I watched it through there, and my first thought was, 72 00:03:31,104 --> 00:03:34,544 Speaker 2: what a horrendous misstep in a man who's trying so 73 00:03:34,624 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 2: hard to get his career in life back. How could 74 00:03:37,144 --> 00:03:39,744 Speaker 2: he have misjudged this so badly that he would put 75 00:03:39,744 --> 00:03:42,304 Speaker 2: out this cringey video that's sure to bring in a 76 00:03:42,304 --> 00:03:43,984 Speaker 2: lot of hate. But I think that's what happens when 77 00:03:44,024 --> 00:03:47,864 Speaker 2: you're in a particular little bubble like I am online 78 00:03:47,864 --> 00:03:50,344 Speaker 2: of people who like think quite similar to me. Because 79 00:03:50,384 --> 00:03:52,504 Speaker 2: when I went over to his profile and clicked to 80 00:03:52,544 --> 00:03:56,304 Speaker 2: the comments, he has just given his audience what he 81 00:03:56,424 --> 00:03:58,864 Speaker 2: knows that they want, because they were like, yeah, Army, 82 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:02,024 Speaker 2: like times are really tough, I'm so sorry man, and 83 00:04:02,104 --> 00:04:05,584 Speaker 2: so many of them like they want Most people were 84 00:04:05,624 --> 00:04:07,744 Speaker 2: on side with him, And then I realized it's because 85 00:04:07,784 --> 00:04:10,824 Speaker 2: these people have following a very different narraw to the 86 00:04:10,864 --> 00:04:12,904 Speaker 2: rest of us in the fact that they're saying to him, 87 00:04:12,944 --> 00:04:15,224 Speaker 2: I can't believe you got canceled over a little bit 88 00:04:15,224 --> 00:04:17,664 Speaker 2: of dirty talk. I've said way worse to girls on 89 00:04:17,744 --> 00:04:19,944 Speaker 2: apps and nothing's happened to me. And I know we've 90 00:04:19,944 --> 00:04:21,424 Speaker 2: talked about this before on the pod, but I feel 91 00:04:21,424 --> 00:04:23,904 Speaker 2: like you have to reiterate. He didn't get canceled because 92 00:04:23,904 --> 00:04:27,384 Speaker 2: of some cannibal comments. He got canceled because multiple women 93 00:04:27,824 --> 00:04:29,864 Speaker 2: accused him and it has been disproven. I think some 94 00:04:29,904 --> 00:04:31,784 Speaker 2: of that's still going through courts. It's also something that's 95 00:04:31,904 --> 00:04:34,544 Speaker 2: very hard to prove legally. But like a lot of 96 00:04:34,584 --> 00:04:38,784 Speaker 2: women made accusations and allegations about sexual assault and abuse 97 00:04:38,824 --> 00:04:40,984 Speaker 2: by him, that was the story, not the cannibal thing. 98 00:04:41,544 --> 00:04:44,424 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and no one's really hate following him anymore. Yeah, 99 00:04:44,424 --> 00:04:46,464 Speaker 1: so I think he's speaking into a vacuum. 100 00:04:46,784 --> 00:04:50,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so, Yeah, Ami, we're thinking of you, man, Yeah, 101 00:04:50,264 --> 00:04:52,424 Speaker 2: we're thinking of Yeah, like, enjoy that hybrid. 102 00:04:53,104 --> 00:04:54,984 Speaker 1: Tesla's don't do hybrids, do they? Maybe it's like a 103 00:04:55,024 --> 00:04:57,384 Speaker 1: Toyota Camri or something? Can we can you see armi 104 00:04:57,424 --> 00:04:59,344 Speaker 1: hammer and a Camri? Is that a thing for him? 105 00:04:59,664 --> 00:05:01,824 Speaker 2: I mean apparently, And I'm sure his audience will love 106 00:05:01,864 --> 00:05:02,824 Speaker 2: that it's. 107 00:05:02,664 --> 00:05:04,784 Speaker 1: True, because it's just like us, Babs. It's just like a. 108 00:05:06,624 --> 00:05:09,984 Speaker 2: Well, another day, another alleged few between two famous women. 109 00:05:10,064 --> 00:05:12,504 Speaker 2: But this I think is actually quite interesting and no 110 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:14,544 Speaker 2: one's taking it that seriously, which kind of makes it 111 00:05:14,584 --> 00:05:15,664 Speaker 2: all the more fun to talk about. 112 00:05:15,944 --> 00:05:18,304 Speaker 1: Well we say that, but people do take it seriously 113 00:05:18,344 --> 00:05:20,504 Speaker 1: when it comes to one half of this alleged ship. 114 00:05:20,504 --> 00:05:22,384 Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, the problem, we're. 115 00:05:22,224 --> 00:05:23,184 Speaker 1: Not taking it seriously. 116 00:05:23,384 --> 00:05:26,184 Speaker 2: Yes, the fanza Well, that's so true because later on 117 00:05:26,224 --> 00:05:28,144 Speaker 2: we are touching on death threats. So you're right, maybe 118 00:05:28,144 --> 00:05:30,344 Speaker 2: it has got a tad serious than just what we're 119 00:05:30,344 --> 00:05:32,464 Speaker 2: going to say in this room. So talking about Charlie 120 00:05:32,584 --> 00:05:35,704 Speaker 2: XCX and Taylor Swift, allegations that there's some sort of 121 00:05:35,744 --> 00:05:38,744 Speaker 2: a feud because of lyrics that are in Charlie XCX's 122 00:05:39,064 --> 00:05:41,784 Speaker 2: new album Brat, And this can be traced back to 123 00:05:41,864 --> 00:05:45,504 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen when people first started linking their names together 124 00:05:45,544 --> 00:05:48,304 Speaker 2: in a feud because Charlie was opening for Taylor Swift 125 00:05:48,664 --> 00:05:51,704 Speaker 2: on one of the legs of her Reputation tour, which 126 00:05:51,784 --> 00:05:54,224 Speaker 2: sounds like an amazing thing, and I think that both 127 00:05:54,224 --> 00:05:56,944 Speaker 2: their fandoms were very excited to see them together. But 128 00:05:57,864 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 2: when Charlie did an interview with Pitchfork later that same 129 00:06:00,904 --> 00:06:04,104 Speaker 2: year about her experience with touring with Taylor Swift, she says, 130 00:06:04,184 --> 00:06:06,024 Speaker 2: as an artist, it kind of felt like I was 131 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:08,704 Speaker 2: getting up on stage and waving to five year olds, 132 00:06:09,224 --> 00:06:11,184 Speaker 2: which I mean, I'm sure if you're in the audience 133 00:06:11,264 --> 00:06:14,704 Speaker 2: not the nicest comment, but the Swift fans got very intense. 134 00:06:14,944 --> 00:06:17,744 Speaker 2: There was this whole online campaign of hatred against her, 135 00:06:17,984 --> 00:06:19,984 Speaker 2: to the point where Charlie had to do the classic 136 00:06:20,104 --> 00:06:22,504 Speaker 2: notes up apology on the Instagram. 137 00:06:22,584 --> 00:06:24,744 Speaker 1: You know a Tarko when it's notes out. But Charlie 138 00:06:24,784 --> 00:06:27,544 Speaker 1: should have known, Banna. She's a very smart woman who 139 00:06:27,544 --> 00:06:29,824 Speaker 1: has been in this industry for a very long time. Yeah, 140 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:33,664 Speaker 1: if a journalist questions you about anything Taylor Swift for 141 00:06:33,664 --> 00:06:35,784 Speaker 1: a lated, you can't be saying that shit. And I 142 00:06:35,784 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 1: don't know when we just slipped out, because you all 143 00:06:37,424 --> 00:06:39,904 Speaker 1: say stuff that just slips out, But it's about tail 144 00:06:39,944 --> 00:06:42,784 Speaker 1: Swift slipped out in front of a journalist. I mean, 145 00:06:43,304 --> 00:06:45,384 Speaker 1: she's probably learned a very big lesson from that. I 146 00:06:45,384 --> 00:06:45,944 Speaker 1: would have Madgine. 147 00:06:46,144 --> 00:06:48,424 Speaker 2: Well, yes, from her apology she did, because she said, 148 00:06:48,504 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 2: leading up to that tour, I'd been playing to a 149 00:06:50,224 --> 00:06:52,704 Speaker 2: ton of eighteen plus clubs, and to be on stage 150 00:06:52,704 --> 00:06:55,504 Speaker 2: in front of people of all ages was really new 151 00:06:55,544 --> 00:06:57,264 Speaker 2: to me and I kind of had to change my 152 00:06:57,304 --> 00:07:00,024 Speaker 2: approach to my performance for the first time. And she's like, 153 00:07:00,064 --> 00:07:01,904 Speaker 2: that's all I meant. She's backtracking. She's like, I didn't 154 00:07:01,904 --> 00:07:04,424 Speaker 2: mean to upset anyone, which I'm sure she didn't, and 155 00:07:04,464 --> 00:07:06,544 Speaker 2: then that kind of bubbled away in the background for 156 00:07:06,624 --> 00:07:09,264 Speaker 2: a while. But Taylor Swift and Charlie would always share 157 00:07:09,544 --> 00:07:11,744 Speaker 2: positive things at each other's music, and I think it 158 00:07:11,784 --> 00:07:15,024 Speaker 2: was all fine. But then when Bratt came out her 159 00:07:15,064 --> 00:07:17,824 Speaker 2: new album, the song Sympathy for a Knife, Are you 160 00:07:17,864 --> 00:07:18,624 Speaker 2: across that one? 161 00:07:18,744 --> 00:07:21,384 Speaker 4: I am across You're the music girl, and. 162 00:07:21,424 --> 00:07:23,544 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it. I was like, what does 163 00:07:23,584 --> 00:07:25,704 Speaker 1: this mean? What does this mean? I've got some of 164 00:07:25,704 --> 00:07:26,984 Speaker 1: the lyrics here. 165 00:07:26,944 --> 00:07:35,944 Speaker 3: Yes, fine, So I want to see my boy sing 166 00:07:35,984 --> 00:07:38,464 Speaker 3: this Crystal break. 167 00:07:38,344 --> 00:07:48,184 Speaker 1: Up, so the lyrics that people are kind of like 168 00:07:48,264 --> 00:07:50,624 Speaker 1: zoning in on. I couldn't even be here if I tried. 169 00:07:50,784 --> 00:07:52,624 Speaker 1: I don't want to see her at backstage at my 170 00:07:52,664 --> 00:07:55,704 Speaker 1: boyfriend's show, fingers crossed behind my back. I hope they 171 00:07:55,744 --> 00:07:58,384 Speaker 1: break up quick. Many are theorizing this is an illusion 172 00:07:58,384 --> 00:08:01,224 Speaker 1: to it tell us this brief relationship with Maddie Healy 173 00:08:01,504 --> 00:08:04,024 Speaker 1: from the nineteen seventy five I still can't believe that happened. 174 00:08:04,144 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 1: I still think about it and I'm like, what was 175 00:08:05,984 --> 00:08:10,024 Speaker 1: that about? And Charlie's fiancees drummer George Daniels, so there'd 176 00:08:10,024 --> 00:08:13,424 Speaker 1: be some you know, crossover backstage shows. I hope they 177 00:08:13,424 --> 00:08:17,944 Speaker 1: break up. I mean, like Charlie is, like I said, 178 00:08:18,384 --> 00:08:22,384 Speaker 1: a very smart lady, but she should be able to 179 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:26,384 Speaker 1: make lyrics like that that mean nothing, that are about nothing. 180 00:08:26,544 --> 00:08:28,224 Speaker 1: Just because you met tail Swift once I have some 181 00:08:28,264 --> 00:08:30,384 Speaker 1: sort of connection to tail Swift, it's like, now you 182 00:08:30,424 --> 00:08:33,864 Speaker 1: can't say anything. People are gonna somehow link it back 183 00:08:33,864 --> 00:08:36,224 Speaker 1: to her, which I think is kind of disappointing for her. 184 00:08:36,784 --> 00:08:40,024 Speaker 1: You know, like her musicianship and her lyricism, and she 185 00:08:40,224 --> 00:08:42,584 Speaker 1: is cheeky and she is naughty, and that's kind of 186 00:08:42,584 --> 00:08:44,584 Speaker 1: what she does. But if you're going to be connected 187 00:08:44,584 --> 00:08:46,384 Speaker 1: to tail Swift in any way, if you're going to 188 00:08:46,384 --> 00:08:47,824 Speaker 1: tour with her, if you're going to go to dinner 189 00:08:47,864 --> 00:08:49,864 Speaker 1: with her, you have to be prepared that for the 190 00:08:49,864 --> 00:08:52,104 Speaker 1: rest of your career, people are going to read into 191 00:08:52,224 --> 00:08:54,784 Speaker 1: lyrics and assume they're about Tailswift, which I imagine will 192 00:08:54,824 --> 00:08:55,664 Speaker 1: be quite frustrating. 193 00:08:55,704 --> 00:08:58,424 Speaker 2: Babs, Yeah, exactly, And that's kind of like that frustration 194 00:08:58,504 --> 00:09:00,984 Speaker 2: what you're talking about is what I find difficult around this, 195 00:09:01,104 --> 00:09:03,224 Speaker 2: because it's this idea that like the whole basis of 196 00:09:03,264 --> 00:09:05,544 Speaker 2: a lot of these iconic pop songs and albums, they 197 00:09:05,584 --> 00:09:07,864 Speaker 2: have these stories behind them and they can kind of 198 00:09:07,864 --> 00:09:10,824 Speaker 2: allude to these different events. And Taylor Swift has made 199 00:09:10,864 --> 00:09:13,944 Speaker 2: a large part of her career as well on trafficking 200 00:09:14,024 --> 00:09:16,824 Speaker 2: in that, in that idea of like feuds and takedowns 201 00:09:16,824 --> 00:09:18,944 Speaker 2: and secret messages, and a lot of artists have done 202 00:09:18,944 --> 00:09:20,984 Speaker 2: that as well. And so I feel like we're just 203 00:09:21,024 --> 00:09:23,544 Speaker 2: going to be in this world to very sanitize music 204 00:09:23,584 --> 00:09:26,144 Speaker 2: and performances and interviews if we can't even. 205 00:09:25,984 --> 00:09:27,464 Speaker 4: Have stars who allude to stuff. 206 00:09:27,544 --> 00:09:30,264 Speaker 2: But I can understand why someone like Charlie and also Taylor, 207 00:09:30,264 --> 00:09:32,024 Speaker 2: because they've both come out and said that this feud 208 00:09:32,104 --> 00:09:35,144 Speaker 2: is ridiculous, even though I'm sure it's good for album sales. 209 00:09:35,304 --> 00:09:37,384 Speaker 2: But there's always those people in the fandom that take 210 00:09:37,424 --> 00:09:39,744 Speaker 2: it too far, because even like June this year, there 211 00:09:39,744 --> 00:09:43,184 Speaker 2: are people at Charlie's concerts yelling out death to Taylor 212 00:09:43,304 --> 00:09:45,864 Speaker 2: and starting this big group chant, and then Charlie had 213 00:09:45,904 --> 00:09:47,904 Speaker 2: to come in and shut it down. And that's just 214 00:09:47,984 --> 00:09:50,024 Speaker 2: taking things that bit too far. But I guess that's 215 00:09:50,024 --> 00:09:51,464 Speaker 2: where these two fandoms are. 216 00:09:51,744 --> 00:09:55,224 Speaker 1: Taylor kind of like she created the Beast, right, Yeah, 217 00:09:55,264 --> 00:09:58,104 Speaker 1: Like if she's going to use this as a way 218 00:09:58,304 --> 00:10:01,984 Speaker 1: to get people talking and generate bars and keep her 219 00:10:02,024 --> 00:10:05,544 Speaker 1: fans kind of like alive. Then she has to kind 220 00:10:05,584 --> 00:10:07,664 Speaker 1: of cop the downside, but it doesn't mean that other 221 00:10:07,784 --> 00:10:09,264 Speaker 1: artists have to copy it, and there are some of 222 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:12,104 Speaker 1: her lyrics, especially tortured poets. It kind of allot to 223 00:10:12,144 --> 00:10:16,144 Speaker 1: the fact that these stands really do make life quite 224 00:10:16,144 --> 00:10:19,464 Speaker 1: problematic for her. There's a bit of resentment towards them. 225 00:10:20,344 --> 00:10:23,944 Speaker 1: And I think she has calmed down the last maybe 226 00:10:24,104 --> 00:10:27,104 Speaker 1: one or two albums with the Easter Eggs, with all 227 00:10:27,184 --> 00:10:29,184 Speaker 1: the kidden messaging, because I think, you know, she's in 228 00:10:29,184 --> 00:10:31,744 Speaker 1: her mid thirties now, and also she's one of the 229 00:10:31,784 --> 00:10:34,624 Speaker 1: most popular artists of all time, so maybe she's kind 230 00:10:34,664 --> 00:10:36,664 Speaker 1: of like pulling it back, which she has to because 231 00:10:37,064 --> 00:10:38,904 Speaker 1: let's be honest, like no one would want to even 232 00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:39,544 Speaker 1: be her friend. 233 00:10:39,984 --> 00:10:42,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there's perks to that, but the downfall could 234 00:10:42,424 --> 00:10:45,424 Speaker 2: be very intense. Absolutely, that's the kind of downside to this. 235 00:10:45,584 --> 00:10:47,944 Speaker 2: With both these women. I find their music and their 236 00:10:47,984 --> 00:10:52,184 Speaker 2: thoughts around this competitiveness between other famous women or just 237 00:10:52,224 --> 00:10:56,224 Speaker 2: the complications of those relationships almost more interesting than their 238 00:10:56,224 --> 00:10:58,904 Speaker 2: songs about heartbreak and relationships, because it's something that doesn't 239 00:10:58,944 --> 00:11:01,424 Speaker 2: get explored as much. But I find that that it's 240 00:11:01,464 --> 00:11:04,224 Speaker 2: becoming way more fraught to make art around that that 241 00:11:04,304 --> 00:11:06,184 Speaker 2: it is around heartbreak, which means that we're not going 242 00:11:06,264 --> 00:11:08,664 Speaker 2: to be getting that kind of art and music on 243 00:11:08,704 --> 00:11:11,104 Speaker 2: their albums going forward because of stuff like this. But 244 00:11:11,144 --> 00:11:12,544 Speaker 2: I guess it's been like a lot of hYP for 245 00:11:12,584 --> 00:11:13,744 Speaker 2: both of them, which at the end of the day 246 00:11:13,784 --> 00:11:15,544 Speaker 2: is what you're looking for when you're putting music out 247 00:11:15,584 --> 00:11:16,104 Speaker 2: into the world. 248 00:11:16,584 --> 00:11:19,824 Speaker 1: And like everything and all these conversations whatever, inevitably does 249 00:11:19,864 --> 00:11:21,944 Speaker 1: come back to the fact that it's all, you know, 250 00:11:22,104 --> 00:11:25,424 Speaker 1: like nothing's an accident, right. So I just feel like 251 00:11:25,504 --> 00:11:29,744 Speaker 1: Charlie's so her own person and does her own thing, 252 00:11:29,784 --> 00:11:31,824 Speaker 1: And I've always really thought of her as very separate 253 00:11:31,864 --> 00:11:35,384 Speaker 1: to that pop machine, and she's been an independent artist 254 00:11:35,384 --> 00:11:36,944 Speaker 1: throughout a time. Like you know, I just feel like 255 00:11:36,984 --> 00:11:41,784 Speaker 1: she's different, and maybe I believe her more when she says, hey, 256 00:11:42,064 --> 00:11:43,544 Speaker 1: just like shut the fuck up, just like let me 257 00:11:43,624 --> 00:11:46,504 Speaker 1: do this. There's no meaning. I often find it hard 258 00:11:46,544 --> 00:11:48,624 Speaker 1: to believe when it comes from Taylor's mouth. But that's 259 00:11:48,664 --> 00:11:49,904 Speaker 1: just kind of track record. 260 00:11:51,584 --> 00:11:55,504 Speaker 2: So America's Sweethearts Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders is a new documentary 261 00:11:55,504 --> 00:11:59,344 Speaker 2: that came to Netflix, chronicling the backstage drama and the 262 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:04,904 Speaker 2: audition process for the Dallas Cowboys football team, Bleeding Squad, 263 00:12:05,104 --> 00:12:07,624 Speaker 2: which I have to say, until this moment it became 264 00:12:07,664 --> 00:12:11,744 Speaker 2: this global moment and conversation I wasn't. 265 00:12:11,584 --> 00:12:13,904 Speaker 4: Quite aware existed. But I'm very across it now. 266 00:12:14,184 --> 00:12:17,024 Speaker 1: I still haven't even seen the documentary, and just because 267 00:12:17,064 --> 00:12:20,064 Speaker 1: of like living in the year twenty twenty four and 268 00:12:20,104 --> 00:12:22,464 Speaker 1: being a woman in my thirties, I feel like it's 269 00:12:22,544 --> 00:12:25,064 Speaker 1: everywhere and ever, and I love this about the world, 270 00:12:25,264 --> 00:12:27,624 Speaker 1: Like it's like Drive to Survive. Right, Yeah, I couldn't 271 00:12:27,624 --> 00:12:29,664 Speaker 1: give a crap. I didn't even know if if one 272 00:12:29,744 --> 00:12:30,744 Speaker 1: was cars or bikes. 273 00:12:31,064 --> 00:12:32,624 Speaker 4: Now I'm still sure that one. 274 00:12:32,944 --> 00:12:35,784 Speaker 1: Oh you are watch Drive to Survive. It really gets you. 275 00:12:35,824 --> 00:12:38,904 Speaker 1: So it's cool for me that these women who, let's 276 00:12:38,944 --> 00:12:40,144 Speaker 1: be honest, if you don't know what it's about it, 277 00:12:40,184 --> 00:12:43,024 Speaker 1: you kind of write them off as like ditches or whatever. Yeah, 278 00:12:43,024 --> 00:12:44,984 Speaker 1: which is like not which is unfair, but that's kind 279 00:12:45,024 --> 00:12:48,024 Speaker 1: of like, you know, this cheerleader trope. So yeah, even 280 00:12:48,024 --> 00:12:50,264 Speaker 1: if someone who hasn't watched it, it's everywhere. 281 00:12:50,544 --> 00:12:52,024 Speaker 2: Well, I was almost on the same page as you, 282 00:12:52,064 --> 00:12:53,704 Speaker 2: like I wasn't interested in it, and then I had 283 00:12:53,704 --> 00:12:55,504 Speaker 2: to watch it for work, and then I did become 284 00:12:55,584 --> 00:12:57,664 Speaker 2: quite obsessed with it because it is a really interestingly 285 00:12:57,704 --> 00:13:01,064 Speaker 2: put together documentary. And what's interesting is that there had 286 00:13:01,104 --> 00:13:02,904 Speaker 2: been again which I wasn't aware of, but I now 287 00:13:02,984 --> 00:13:05,144 Speaker 2: know what's on Paramount Plus you can watch it. They 288 00:13:05,224 --> 00:13:08,304 Speaker 2: hadn't been making a reality show about the audition process 289 00:13:08,304 --> 00:13:11,424 Speaker 2: for this team for going close to a decade called 290 00:13:11,464 --> 00:13:13,624 Speaker 2: Making the Team, and that had been Yeah, but I 291 00:13:13,624 --> 00:13:15,744 Speaker 2: don't recommend watching it because I did try and dip 292 00:13:15,744 --> 00:13:17,544 Speaker 2: a toe into it after watching the documentary because I 293 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:20,424 Speaker 2: liked the documentary, but it's very old school like it's 294 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:23,544 Speaker 2: almost like the worst moments of America's Top Model and 295 00:13:23,584 --> 00:13:25,824 Speaker 2: they've toned it down to the Netflix stockos. So I 296 00:13:25,864 --> 00:13:26,784 Speaker 2: wouldn't recommend. 297 00:13:27,144 --> 00:13:31,984 Speaker 1: We want the Sheikh sanitized, well edited storyline. Yes, thank 298 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:33,304 Speaker 1: you very much, that's what we deserve. 299 00:13:33,384 --> 00:13:33,944 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 300 00:13:33,944 --> 00:13:35,864 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of them didn't come out looking 301 00:13:35,904 --> 00:13:37,904 Speaker 2: the best out of this documentary, have to say, but 302 00:13:37,944 --> 00:13:40,304 Speaker 2: people have wildly fallen in love with them, to the 303 00:13:40,344 --> 00:13:42,864 Speaker 2: point where when they announced the new team this year 304 00:13:43,224 --> 00:13:45,504 Speaker 2: and some of the girls from the documentary who had 305 00:13:45,544 --> 00:13:47,344 Speaker 2: been followed but didn't make it as a team last 306 00:13:47,384 --> 00:13:50,464 Speaker 2: year Kelly and Charlie like that was treated like breaking 307 00:13:50,504 --> 00:13:52,584 Speaker 2: news across the world, even here in Mummia, like I 308 00:13:52,664 --> 00:13:54,424 Speaker 2: know we're on news outlet, but like people were running 309 00:13:54,464 --> 00:13:55,744 Speaker 2: to their desk, like get this story out. 310 00:13:55,784 --> 00:13:56,944 Speaker 4: People are so invested. 311 00:13:57,304 --> 00:13:59,984 Speaker 2: And the fallout from the show has continued because it 312 00:14:00,024 --> 00:14:01,904 Speaker 2: was shot such a long time ago, so much stuff 313 00:14:01,904 --> 00:14:04,784 Speaker 2: has happened since then. And what's really interesting this week 314 00:14:04,864 --> 00:14:07,904 Speaker 2: is that all of this faller and drama has resurfaced 315 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:11,984 Speaker 2: because Victoria Kalina, who was one of the big breakout 316 00:14:12,064 --> 00:14:15,464 Speaker 2: stars of the show, and her storyline was a bit 317 00:14:15,504 --> 00:14:18,944 Speaker 2: interesting because her mum, Tina, had been a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, 318 00:14:19,224 --> 00:14:20,864 Speaker 2: and it was like almost like, well, that happens a 319 00:14:20,944 --> 00:14:21,544 Speaker 2: lot in the show. 320 00:14:21,744 --> 00:14:22,984 Speaker 1: I can imagine. 321 00:14:23,144 --> 00:14:25,824 Speaker 2: They call them the legacies, and it's almost like the 322 00:14:25,944 --> 00:14:28,344 Speaker 2: NEPO baby conversation come around in and because they're like, 323 00:14:28,384 --> 00:14:30,264 Speaker 2: it actually makes it harder for us, it doesn't give 324 00:14:30,304 --> 00:14:31,864 Speaker 2: us an inn. I don't know if that's true or not, 325 00:14:32,144 --> 00:14:35,144 Speaker 2: but her mum had also cheered in the eighties with 326 00:14:35,464 --> 00:14:38,624 Speaker 2: Kelly and Judy, who are the squads director and choreographer 327 00:14:38,864 --> 00:14:41,064 Speaker 2: and they are the two again main stars of the 328 00:14:41,104 --> 00:14:43,744 Speaker 2: Netflix show. And there was a lot of friction around 329 00:14:43,864 --> 00:14:46,944 Speaker 2: Victoria on the show because the audience fell in love 330 00:14:46,944 --> 00:14:49,424 Speaker 2: with her and was obsessed with her, and there were 331 00:14:49,464 --> 00:14:51,104 Speaker 2: all these storylines in the show where you cut to 332 00:14:51,144 --> 00:14:54,744 Speaker 2: her and her whole bedroom is decorated in Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. 333 00:14:55,104 --> 00:14:57,504 Speaker 2: She was like, it's all she's ever wanted. She had 334 00:14:57,544 --> 00:14:59,464 Speaker 2: a birthday party on the show, which is where all 335 00:14:59,464 --> 00:15:01,144 Speaker 2: the fall out has happened, and it was just her 336 00:15:01,184 --> 00:15:03,544 Speaker 2: and her mum and no one else from the team came. 337 00:15:04,104 --> 00:15:06,904 Speaker 2: And so I know this is sounding so ridiculous as 338 00:15:06,904 --> 00:15:08,424 Speaker 2: I'm telling Yes. 339 00:15:08,384 --> 00:15:10,824 Speaker 1: Is she a nice person and they just jell of her? 340 00:15:11,104 --> 00:15:12,224 Speaker 4: It's so hard to tell. 341 00:15:12,304 --> 00:15:14,344 Speaker 2: I think she talks a lot about mental health and 342 00:15:14,384 --> 00:15:16,824 Speaker 2: body image struggles and the fact that she doesn't fit 343 00:15:16,864 --> 00:15:19,264 Speaker 2: in with the team, and that became a really big storyline. 344 00:15:19,264 --> 00:15:22,144 Speaker 2: It's like people who watch the show are in two camps. 345 00:15:22,184 --> 00:15:24,584 Speaker 2: Like some people are like, this is mean girl culture, 346 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,264 Speaker 2: and those women were deliberately excluding her because she's a 347 00:15:27,264 --> 00:15:29,344 Speaker 2: bit different, even though she looks exactly the same as 348 00:15:29,384 --> 00:15:31,504 Speaker 2: the rest of them, because they were tall, blonde, white women. 349 00:15:31,584 --> 00:15:33,744 Speaker 2: But you know she's got a different energy. And then 350 00:15:33,784 --> 00:15:36,344 Speaker 2: other people are saying, there's thirty six girls on that team. 351 00:15:36,384 --> 00:15:38,624 Speaker 2: If thirty five of them all say this woman is 352 00:15:38,984 --> 00:15:41,264 Speaker 2: not great in a troublemaker, then why aren't we believing them? 353 00:15:41,264 --> 00:15:44,904 Speaker 2: I know it's very, oh gosh, very old school, but 354 00:15:45,024 --> 00:15:47,704 Speaker 2: there was a scene in the documentary where Netflix comes 355 00:15:47,704 --> 00:15:50,784 Speaker 2: over to film Victoria's birthday and it's just torn her 356 00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:52,984 Speaker 2: mom and everyone's like, that's so sad. And then when 357 00:15:53,064 --> 00:15:56,144 Speaker 2: the show finally came out, Victoria did a series of 358 00:15:56,184 --> 00:15:59,384 Speaker 2: podcast interviews saying, well, I asked the girls to come over, 359 00:15:59,504 --> 00:16:02,184 Speaker 2: and they just didn't because my voice doesn't really get hurt. 360 00:16:02,264 --> 00:16:05,104 Speaker 2: And then every girl on the team started putting out 361 00:16:05,104 --> 00:16:07,624 Speaker 2: their own official statements. So like Kelsey and Claire and 362 00:16:07,664 --> 00:16:09,744 Speaker 2: all these other women on the team who had become 363 00:16:09,824 --> 00:16:11,064 Speaker 2: with the what. 364 00:16:10,904 --> 00:16:13,144 Speaker 1: Were they saying, Laura, tell me please. 365 00:16:13,304 --> 00:16:15,184 Speaker 2: What's interesting about this is that the other girls who 366 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:17,784 Speaker 2: are refuting it were the other big, beloved stars of 367 00:16:17,824 --> 00:16:19,664 Speaker 2: the team, like Kelsey, who is like pretty much the 368 00:16:19,704 --> 00:16:22,784 Speaker 2: team captain, who is a pediatric nurse and in her 369 00:16:22,864 --> 00:16:24,344 Speaker 2: day job, and as no one has been like the 370 00:16:24,344 --> 00:16:26,704 Speaker 2: down to earth nice one came out and said like, 371 00:16:26,704 --> 00:16:28,464 Speaker 2: I'm so hurt by what she's saying. Of course he 372 00:16:28,504 --> 00:16:30,664 Speaker 2: would have gone to a birthday party if we'd been told. 373 00:16:30,984 --> 00:16:33,264 Speaker 2: We take that very seriously. And then everyone else from 374 00:16:33,264 --> 00:16:36,184 Speaker 2: the team started commenting from their personal accounts, saying, she 375 00:16:36,224 --> 00:16:38,104 Speaker 2: didn't tell us, and we're so upset the story. I 376 00:16:38,104 --> 00:16:40,144 Speaker 2: can't believe she's saying this about us. So it escalated 377 00:16:40,184 --> 00:16:42,144 Speaker 2: to a point. The reason I'm talking about this now 378 00:16:42,304 --> 00:16:45,104 Speaker 2: is because Victoria has done this big cover story for 379 00:16:45,144 --> 00:16:49,024 Speaker 2: The Cut that's gone everywhere this week, talking about escaping 380 00:16:49,224 --> 00:16:51,344 Speaker 2: the DCC and what her life in New York looks 381 00:16:51,384 --> 00:16:55,024 Speaker 2: like now, and talking about the birthday party story blowing up, 382 00:16:55,064 --> 00:16:56,664 Speaker 2: and she's like, I stand by what I said. I 383 00:16:56,704 --> 00:16:59,704 Speaker 2: wish it didn't come to this. But what's interesting is 384 00:16:59,944 --> 00:17:01,904 Speaker 2: it's almost like this idea that people are treating it 385 00:17:01,944 --> 00:17:05,184 Speaker 2: like she's escaped a cult by escaping the DCC, because 386 00:17:05,544 --> 00:17:08,824 Speaker 2: the title of the Cut article is Victoria Cleaner didn't 387 00:17:08,864 --> 00:17:11,704 Speaker 2: need Dallas after all the cowboys, chiliad, I hung up 388 00:17:11,704 --> 00:17:13,744 Speaker 2: her boots and moved to New York. And yes, she's 389 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:14,544 Speaker 2: doing just fine. 390 00:17:15,104 --> 00:17:17,544 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't be buying in the hand that 391 00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:19,384 Speaker 1: has fed you and made you a star like that, 392 00:17:19,744 --> 00:17:22,344 Speaker 1: when people watch a show and they like get on 393 00:17:22,384 --> 00:17:24,704 Speaker 1: board with the whole machine and they love everyone. You 394 00:17:24,784 --> 00:17:26,824 Speaker 1: can't then do that. Maybe you could do it in 395 00:17:26,864 --> 00:17:27,504 Speaker 1: ten years. 396 00:17:27,904 --> 00:17:28,744 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 397 00:17:29,064 --> 00:17:30,944 Speaker 1: There needs to be a lot of time. There needs 398 00:17:30,944 --> 00:17:32,864 Speaker 1: to be lots of water under the bridge. The show 399 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:35,944 Speaker 1: is still on air. Other women are still building their careers. 400 00:17:35,944 --> 00:17:37,984 Speaker 1: Some of them are still doing the show. They're still 401 00:17:37,984 --> 00:17:41,544 Speaker 1: in the team. You can't be doing that, babe. 402 00:17:41,664 --> 00:17:42,144 Speaker 4: Yeah. 403 00:17:42,184 --> 00:17:43,424 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of a misstep. 404 00:17:43,704 --> 00:17:46,704 Speaker 2: It's a big swing to kind of pit yourself against 405 00:17:46,784 --> 00:17:50,144 Speaker 2: everyone else who's involved with this organization and this show. 406 00:17:50,344 --> 00:17:52,104 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I wonder if she just 407 00:17:52,104 --> 00:17:54,704 Speaker 2: sees that it's working for her, because again, she's the 408 00:17:54,744 --> 00:17:57,344 Speaker 2: breakout star. She's the one who's getting so many podcast 409 00:17:57,384 --> 00:17:59,544 Speaker 2: interviews after the show finished. She's the one who's getting 410 00:17:59,544 --> 00:18:02,384 Speaker 2: these big exclusive photo shoots, like the journalist went and 411 00:18:02,424 --> 00:18:04,584 Speaker 2: spent days with her in New York and her apartment 412 00:18:04,624 --> 00:18:07,064 Speaker 2: doing dance lessons with her. She's the one who's sort 413 00:18:07,064 --> 00:18:09,784 Speaker 2: of getting all these big opportunities, And I wonder if 414 00:18:09,784 --> 00:18:12,584 Speaker 2: maybe she's leaning into that side of it because she 415 00:18:12,664 --> 00:18:15,144 Speaker 2: knows there's this big fandom around her that is kind 416 00:18:15,144 --> 00:18:18,584 Speaker 2: of celebrating her escaping this colt and people are likening 417 00:18:18,624 --> 00:18:22,264 Speaker 2: the DCC propaganda to like how the Playboy Mansion was 418 00:18:22,304 --> 00:18:23,664 Speaker 2: back in the day that a lot of these women 419 00:18:23,664 --> 00:18:24,024 Speaker 2: were like. 420 00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:26,704 Speaker 1: Same kind of vibe, right, And also I think if 421 00:18:26,744 --> 00:18:29,664 Speaker 1: her mom was in there, and maybe they're quite media savvy. 422 00:18:29,824 --> 00:18:31,504 Speaker 1: I don't know, like maybe there's a bit of that 423 00:18:31,584 --> 00:18:35,784 Speaker 1: going on, But I just feel like in this day 424 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:39,384 Speaker 1: and age, people can turn on you so quickly, exactly, 425 00:18:39,664 --> 00:18:41,824 Speaker 1: and you don't want to be the person that people 426 00:18:41,904 --> 00:18:44,344 Speaker 1: turned on, especially when there's a whole other season to 427 00:18:44,384 --> 00:18:47,024 Speaker 1: go where you have no say in that anymore. Like, 428 00:18:47,064 --> 00:18:49,584 Speaker 1: those producers and those editors can put what they want 429 00:18:49,624 --> 00:18:52,944 Speaker 1: in that show, and if it suits them to destroy you, 430 00:18:53,184 --> 00:18:56,424 Speaker 1: they will. So she's playing with fire. You know. She 431 00:18:56,544 --> 00:18:58,984 Speaker 1: may think that this kind of fame's going to last forever, 432 00:18:59,144 --> 00:19:02,344 Speaker 1: but people will move on to something else. Yeah, exactly, 433 00:19:02,664 --> 00:19:05,144 Speaker 1: if you've got a bad reputation or whatever it is, 434 00:19:05,904 --> 00:19:07,184 Speaker 1: people aren't going to want to work with you. 435 00:19:07,424 --> 00:19:07,664 Speaker 4: Yeah. 436 00:19:07,664 --> 00:19:09,704 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point. And what I also felt 437 00:19:09,704 --> 00:19:11,984 Speaker 2: interesting on that in this cut article is she almost 438 00:19:12,024 --> 00:19:15,064 Speaker 2: like alludes to the moment where she decided to turn 439 00:19:15,144 --> 00:19:18,464 Speaker 2: against the team and the organization and forge this separate path. 440 00:19:18,664 --> 00:19:21,024 Speaker 2: And it's the fact that they all got together at 441 00:19:21,104 --> 00:19:24,424 Speaker 2: DCC headquarters to watch the first episode of the series 442 00:19:24,464 --> 00:19:27,184 Speaker 2: together as like a team and an organization, which I 443 00:19:27,184 --> 00:19:30,664 Speaker 2: felt quite horrified about when I read, because especially Kelly 444 00:19:30,664 --> 00:19:32,544 Speaker 2: and Judy, who were the two heads and not picking 445 00:19:32,584 --> 00:19:35,504 Speaker 2: the team, say horrific things about a lot of these women, 446 00:19:35,704 --> 00:19:37,424 Speaker 2: not as bad as in the reality show, like they're 447 00:19:37,424 --> 00:19:39,504 Speaker 2: watching their mouths in this one, but they say a 448 00:19:39,544 --> 00:19:42,144 Speaker 2: lot of bad things, in particular about Victoria. So I'm 449 00:19:42,144 --> 00:19:44,744 Speaker 2: just thinking them all like that, her dancing is like off, 450 00:19:44,784 --> 00:19:46,944 Speaker 2: and she looks bad, and she's too much of a 451 00:19:46,984 --> 00:19:49,384 Speaker 2: try hard basically, And I'm just thinking of them all 452 00:19:49,424 --> 00:19:52,984 Speaker 2: watching that together in this room and watching that first 453 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:55,544 Speaker 2: episode and knowing it's going all over Netflix, and that 454 00:19:55,664 --> 00:19:58,584 Speaker 2: planting the seed of how she was going to spin this, 455 00:19:58,784 --> 00:20:00,824 Speaker 2: and now it's all come out in this cut article 456 00:20:00,864 --> 00:20:02,904 Speaker 2: that's come out this week. It's the long game, but 457 00:20:03,264 --> 00:20:04,384 Speaker 2: it's kind of working for her. 458 00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:07,144 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, my husband's in a way for two weeks, 459 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:09,864 Speaker 1: so I get this weekend to be alone, do what 460 00:20:09,904 --> 00:20:11,664 Speaker 1: I want to do, watch what I want to watch, 461 00:20:12,384 --> 00:20:15,184 Speaker 1: And there is no way, I'm not binging this entire thing, 462 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:17,824 Speaker 1: but I'm going to binge it. Okay, yeah, I'll binge 463 00:20:17,864 --> 00:20:19,584 Speaker 1: it now now that, now that, Yeah, I. 464 00:20:19,624 --> 00:20:20,904 Speaker 4: Mean it is worth watching. 465 00:20:20,904 --> 00:20:23,424 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm so desperate to know your thoughts 466 00:20:23,424 --> 00:20:25,864 Speaker 2: on these, like all these crazy moments when you've watched it, 467 00:20:25,984 --> 00:20:26,944 Speaker 2: So keep us posting. 468 00:20:27,544 --> 00:20:29,904 Speaker 1: I'll take some notes along the way. Thanks, Dady sold me, 469 00:20:29,944 --> 00:20:30,424 Speaker 1: well done. 470 00:20:30,744 --> 00:20:33,024 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening to the spill today, 471 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:35,184 Speaker 2: and we'll see you on mamama dot com dot au 472 00:20:35,264 --> 00:20:37,344 Speaker 2: and back here on your podcast feed at three pm 473 00:20:37,344 --> 00:20:39,744 Speaker 2: tomorrow for weekend watch play ar