WEBVTT - INBOX: The 5-Second Trick That Kills Procrastination (We Tested It)

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to biz Inbox. I'm m Vernon, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>you your weekly dos of unfiltered workplace wisdom. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to try.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sarah Davidson, also trying to help them dig into

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<v Speaker 1>some workplace truth today.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are diving into whether loud working is worth

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<v Speaker 1>the hype and that awkward moment when your entire workplace

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<v Speaker 1>discovers your Instagram handle, Oh my goodness, embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we'll help you out.

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<v Speaker 3>You out.

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<v Speaker 2>First, I want to dive into a question that I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I could have submitted myself. It's from Lulu

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<v Speaker 2>and she says I am the Queen of procrastination, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say, no, Lulu, I am. Instead of

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<v Speaker 2>finishing tomorrow's urgent report, I just did a full house,

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<v Speaker 2>deep clean, scrolled TikTok for hours, and created a beautifully formatted,

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<v Speaker 2>color coded to do list, which I then ignored. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>literally do anything to avoid the actual work. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have any tips at all? I need serious help, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sad to say that I also need serious help.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. Well that makes three of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And the hilarious part of this is when I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading this question to think about, you know, have a

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<v Speaker 1>little think in advance about what I would suggest. I

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<v Speaker 1>found it a hard one, and because it was a

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<v Speaker 1>hard question, I ignored it. Did a full house, deep clean,

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<v Speaker 1>scrolled TikTok for hours, I made a beautifully formatted, color

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<v Speaker 1>coded to do so I wouldn't have to answer the

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<v Speaker 1>question because it's a hard one.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's such a funny question because I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we all do it. But Sarah, okay, out of all

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<v Speaker 2>of us here, I mean, I'm not sure what Lulu does.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she's amazing, but you are the one who

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<v Speaker 2>has very successful businesses. So you're clearly doing something right

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm sure doesn't involve procrastinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, we all have our moments. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that really helps me is, firstly, I try

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<v Speaker 1>and identify the reason, because sometimes your reaction is different

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<v Speaker 1>or the action should I say that you can take

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<v Speaker 1>is different depending on what it is. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're procrastinating because you're exhausted, I think sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>temptation is just to push on keep going, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you've been sitting there doing something for a couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, no, I just need to finish. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's counterintuitive, but maybe stop. Like sometimes it isn't pushed through.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes if it's tiredness, you're actually not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>any clearer or any more energized by just sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>staring at the same thing over and over again. So

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that's really helped me is if that's the reason,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's tiredness or brain fog, I actually stop for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, get up, maybe go for a walk, get

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of tea, come back and try again later.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes it might be that you need to break

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<v Speaker 1>the circuit just because you're emotionally flat. So sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get up and like you might need to go and

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<v Speaker 1>do a workout. Like sometimes the procrastination and leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>task and coming back is a good thing. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>not one of those things if it's not something that

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<v Speaker 1>needs a bit of action before you can keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing that I ever do is to break

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<v Speaker 1>the big, scary, overwhelming task into mini tasks and then

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<v Speaker 1>give myself little awards after each one.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, what's a reward like?

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<v Speaker 1>If you do want to have a little scroll, I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't have a ten minute scroll until I've done

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty minute block of this hard task. Or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want my second coffee for the day the afternoon slump,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually I haven't earned that yet because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done thirty minutes of my work. So I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>build in little treat of things that I would want.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know it's probably not like the best advice

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<v Speaker 1>to use food as an incentivization, but sometimes it's a snack.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I can't go and get a snack or

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<v Speaker 1>I can't go on my coffee break until I've done

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<v Speaker 1>this mini task. And I actually think breaking it into

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<v Speaker 1>smaller tasks, you don't even need to think about tasks

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<v Speaker 1>two to ten. All you need to think about is

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<v Speaker 1>number one, And suddenly your brain it frees up so

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<v Speaker 1>much space for you to just begin because you're not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to begin the entire thing. You're just beginning this

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<v Speaker 1>small thing. It's less overwhelming. The fear that you get

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<v Speaker 1>from the size of the task is often what creates procrastinations.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I feel like dividing it into a list

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<v Speaker 1>makes things more manageable. And then the other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I do is I actually just create obstacles for myself,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I know that my biggest destruction is social media.

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<v Speaker 1>For other people, it might be other things, it might

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<v Speaker 1>be TV, it might be whatever it is, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know that. You know, my problem is I want to

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<v Speaker 1>scroll and then I say I'm going to scroll for

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes, and I get on a tangent and then

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<v Speaker 1>like eight hours, I'm still sitting there.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just in the dark with your light on your face. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, I'm that mean. And so I make it hard

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. I put my phone like physically elsewhere, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's an obstacle. I'll turn it off and like it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a little while for your phone to boot up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you pick up a phone that's off,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't say all your notifications or you turn your

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<v Speaker 1>notifications off. Like building in obstacles to the things that

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<v Speaker 1>allow you to procrastinate further. It's like hacking your own temptation.

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<v Speaker 1>You just remove the temptation. And it sounds really basic,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes I think humans are pretty basic. If there's

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<v Speaker 1>a distraction, remove it and then it's less distracting.

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<v Speaker 2>So true, especially with this phone scrolling thing, because I

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<v Speaker 2>do turn my phone off a lot of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think when you do that, you also become

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<v Speaker 2>so hyper aware of exactly how much you pick up

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<v Speaker 2>your phone without even realizing you're doing it, like subconsciously,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quite confronting. I pick up my phone so

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<v Speaker 2>many times without realizing I'm doing it. I have two

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<v Speaker 2>tips as well, because I am such a big procrastinator

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<v Speaker 2>that these two things basically saved so much of my

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<v Speaker 2>time just from actually doing my work and not procrastinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure my mum, mea managers are gonna love hearing

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<v Speaker 2>this episode from me. But basically what I do is

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<v Speaker 2>I first they figured out my energy levels throughout the day,

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone has different jumps and energy and you just

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<v Speaker 2>have to be just aware of your energy, figure out

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<v Speaker 2>like where you feel most productive. And I realize I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a morning person, but I've had to become a

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<v Speaker 2>morning person, because that's where all my energy goes. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like in the morning, if I do things, it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be done before eleven am, because then I go

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<v Speaker 2>into a bit of a slump between like eleven and three,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I get another burst of energy after three pm.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know we're recording this at three pm. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I look a bit dull, right, well, so proud.

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<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing is is that I'm so lucky

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<v Speaker 2>to be a creative here because it was actually my

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<v Speaker 2>producers who noticed my energy levels. And I realize that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my recordings end up being in the mornings,

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<v Speaker 2>because I like, you sound like shit after three pm,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you just.

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<v Speaker 3>Some constructive criticism here, literally just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like after you've had lunch, like you can't get anything

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<v Speaker 2>good out of you. And I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I am a big procrastinator as well, So

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<v Speaker 2>once I feed out my energy levels, I realized that

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<v Speaker 2>the method of choice for me to get work done

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<v Speaker 2>was eating the frog. I have to do the hardest

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<v Speaker 2>thing first, and then once I've done that thing, I

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<v Speaker 2>just end up doing everything else because you've got the

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<v Speaker 2>hard thing out of the way. So if you're like me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have a lot of energy in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to do everything in the morning. Try

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<v Speaker 2>to eat the frog the method, because once you get

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest part of your workday out of the way,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're able to do so, everything else just seems

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<v Speaker 2>so much easier and you're less likely to procrastinate. It

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<v Speaker 2>is like the best thing I've ever tried. I also

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a piece about it, which will link in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes, because I tell everyone to eat the frog.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's so clever, because I do think

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<v Speaker 1>you can end up. You think you've sat down to

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<v Speaker 1>start the task you being procrastinating about, but really you've

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<v Speaker 1>just been doing the busy work. It's like I did

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<v Speaker 1>the formatting. I literally chose the font, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>is that really did you really start or are you

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<v Speaker 1>just choosing the font?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you really start or are you just playing with

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<v Speaker 2>your color palette? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Literally.

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<v Speaker 1>But then one of the ones that actually I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to mention at the start that is so so basic

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<v Speaker 1>and it's almost laughable that this is a tip, but

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<v Speaker 1>it actually really really helps me sometimes as well, is

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<v Speaker 1>just count down from five, Like when you get to zero,

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<v Speaker 1>you just start like that's so good is just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there Like you're just sitting there going, oh, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you get up and you're walking around and you

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<v Speaker 1>get a cup of tea and then you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably need a Wii. You go where you come

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<v Speaker 1>back like pacing around. Sometimes it's like just count have

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<v Speaker 1>from five and don't give yourself the option. When I

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<v Speaker 1>get to zero, I'm starting like there's no choice. And

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly you kind of can't procrastinate anymore because the countdown's

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<v Speaker 1>counted down. You know, we're at zero. It's team out

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<v Speaker 1>a zero. You got to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I'm going to try that next time

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<v Speaker 2>because that sounds right up my alley. So whoever's procrastinating

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<v Speaker 2>their work and listening to this episode right now, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to stop, you're going to do one task

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're going to come back and listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the episode right now. Okay. Our second

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<v Speaker 2>question comes from Carly in Newcastle, and she says, I've

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<v Speaker 2>just started a new job and I'm desperate not to

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<v Speaker 2>be the forgettable new person. Beyond bringing treats and smiling,

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<v Speaker 2>what's one unexpected thing I can do to actually stand

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<v Speaker 2>out and make genuine connections. The office already has a

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<v Speaker 2>fun shirt guy and a sour dough lady. Help me

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<v Speaker 2>find my workplace identity without trying too hard or being weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this is really foye.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Carly, I feel like you're doing so well

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<v Speaker 1>even by caring about this, Like I love that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be memorable.

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<v Speaker 2>I think also, like beyond bringing treats and smiling, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to be known as the girl who smiles,

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<v Speaker 2>like the smiling girl, Like that's so sweet and I

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<v Speaker 2>love joice everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, I think my best advice on this one

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<v Speaker 1>is make it something you can sustain. Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is easy to want to be like the fun

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<v Speaker 1>shirt guy or the sour dough lady or find your thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't force it if it's something that you're not,

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<v Speaker 1>because then once you're the sourdough lady, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>bring sourdough for the rest of your time at that workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's expensive, right, Like you're also funding that, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a side hustle that you're getting nothing out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you don't like making sourdo don't become the

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<v Speaker 1>sourdough lady because everyone is going to expect it from you.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be memorable for the wrong reason if one day

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<v Speaker 1>you start trying to charge them for the sowdough that

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<v Speaker 1>you've been making this whole entire time. So main point

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<v Speaker 1>number one is, don't become the sourdough lady unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>really ready to commit. But point number two if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be the person who brings treats and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of does something that you know it's kind of generic,

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<v Speaker 1>but you want to be memorable to make connections. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I always did, which I actually loved doing

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<v Speaker 1>because it was really rewarding for me as well to

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<v Speaker 1>learn interesting things about my colleagues that I otherwise wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>is to make notes or don't even need to write

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<v Speaker 1>it down. But whenever someone mentions like, oh, I did

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<v Speaker 1>that at golf on the weekend, or oh I did

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<v Speaker 1>that with my dog because I love you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>breed dogs, or my mom's a dog breeder, or I

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<v Speaker 1>have a dog grooming business on the side, everyone will

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<v Speaker 1>drop a little fun fact about themselves at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of just bringing a random treat that's generated

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone, Why don't you create some kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you do with that person, whether it's bring them

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<v Speaker 1>a gift or send them a link to their email.

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<v Speaker 1>When you see that there's like if they have Golden Retrievers,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you see an ad for the Golden Retriever

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<v Speaker 1>meet up boy, Like I think there was one in

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne recently that was like the most Golden Retrievers ever

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<v Speaker 1>in one spot and they said a Guinness World Record, Like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My actual dream, Like that is what heaven looks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to me, legit, but like if someone says that

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<v Speaker 1>to you, if you said that to me at work,

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<v Speaker 1>then for me to send you back that link one

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<v Speaker 1>day and say I saw this when I was like

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<v Speaker 1>scrolling and it made me think of you. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you can create a really genuine connection

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<v Speaker 1>that's so cute, or bring them in like a cute

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<v Speaker 1>dog treat that's for their Golden Retriever, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a golfer, like next time there's a tournament

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<v Speaker 1>coming out, just say oh I saw that there were

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<v Speaker 1>tickets or whatever it is. I feel like there are

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<v Speaker 1>ways that you can connect with someone and they will

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<v Speaker 1>remember you like you don't have to be remembered by

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is the same title. You don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>the entire officer's funshirt guy. You can just be the

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful person who remembered that I like, go on retrievers.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's a really cute way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so nice. That's actually so good. And also like

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<v Speaker 2>what people will love about you, Like I think even

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the workplace, anyone that like has showed that

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<v Speaker 2>they paid attention to what you said and listened and

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<v Speaker 2>considered it and then thought of you when they saw

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. It's just so so nice. It's such a

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<v Speaker 2>good quality to have as a person in general. And

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to say that, like people could just

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<v Speaker 2>know you for just being kri like just being a

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<v Speaker 2>really nice, good coworker. Like you don't have to have

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<v Speaker 2>a stick or you don't have to have a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think like people should just know you as

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<v Speaker 2>who you are as a person. Then they should know

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<v Speaker 2>your name and just don't think too much into it

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<v Speaker 2>because it would just come naturally.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>Reminds me of oh my gosh, my terrible memory. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've listened to a couple of episodes you'll not.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a really bad memory, and I can never

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<v Speaker 1>think of the powerful example that I'm going to remember it,

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<v Speaker 1>like Midnight Tonight. But there's a TV show where someone's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to manufacture their own nickname, and it's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't give yourself the nickname, like you have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for it to come from what other people think of you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I also think, don't try and manufacture the thing

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<v Speaker 1>you remembered for, Like you said, just be who you

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<v Speaker 1>are and let everyone decide the thing that they love

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<v Speaker 1>about you. Like it's kind of nice to think that

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<v Speaker 1>if other people around you were asked what's the most

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<v Speaker 1>memorable thing about Carli, that they would have a different

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<v Speaker 1>answer to what you might think, Like that's lovely about relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next question comes from Drew and she says this

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<v Speaker 2>is all about how to navigate social media when you've

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<v Speaker 2>joined a workforce. So she said, I'm being flooded with

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<v Speaker 2>social media requests from older colleagues at my new job.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm quite active on my personal account and prefer keeping

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<v Speaker 2>work and personal life separate to complicate matters. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to accept some colleagues requests while declining others they

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<v Speaker 2>would know by now I've seen their requests. Help. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the most professional way to maintain my social media boundaries

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<v Speaker 2>without offending anyone? I actually have no answer for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how it's older colleagues.

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<v Speaker 3>If I left my job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a really interesting one, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly common because I don't know, a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>even this wasn't an issue because you didn't really have

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<v Speaker 1>social media. You didn't have to worry about that, and

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<v Speaker 1>if there were connections, it was more professional anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, as someone whose entire life is social media,

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<v Speaker 1>including my career, like I'm probably not the most qualified

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the delineation of the two and keeping

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<v Speaker 1>them separate. But when I was in corporate and I

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<v Speaker 1>did want to keep my career and even my side

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<v Speaker 1>hustle very separate, I didn't want anyone to know that

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<v Speaker 1>we had started the business when we did, so I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't tell anyone. You have two options. You can either

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<v Speaker 1>create two and some people don't mind managing their work

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<v Speaker 1>page and their personal page. But that's more if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a business, and if you don't. If you're at

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<v Speaker 1>a workplace, it's kind of a lot of effort to

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<v Speaker 1>just create a separate personal It's like two life of

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<v Speaker 1>ones with your work criens, and one isn't yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, literally, it's like a fin stu.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this business so much, having a great day

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<v Speaker 2>at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's love extra learning, here's a financial review that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading with my green juice. I think that's probably a

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<v Speaker 1>bit much unless it's the case of having a business

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<v Speaker 1>page in a personal page.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've already had friend or requests from their personal

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<v Speaker 2>page as well, so they, like the colleagues, have already

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<v Speaker 2>established they found the personal page.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think in that situation, if you do

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<v Speaker 1>come to a position with some of your work friends

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<v Speaker 1>where you want them to be you're not your real friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to accept them, but you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to accept everyone, I think you are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to just accept that. You will probably offend some people,

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<v Speaker 1>like if they are going to know that you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>accepted their request but you still don't want them to

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<v Speaker 1>be your friend. There's really no way around it. My

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<v Speaker 1>big thing is just make clear rules for you on

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to become a real life friend versus a

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<v Speaker 1>work friend, and when you let people cross that boundary,

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<v Speaker 1>people might get offended, but at least you know where

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<v Speaker 1>you stand. It's like, well, but we're not friends, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't hang out, Like is the rule that we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out outside of work? Is the rule that

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<v Speaker 1>we do other activities? Could you justify it to them

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<v Speaker 1>if they actually confronted you, like if they said, why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you accept my request? Could you actually say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have coffee with that person, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>coffee with you. Like, if you could justify it, then

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't feel bad about it, even if they are offended.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't justify it, and it's simply because like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't like your fashion or something,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's where it gets a little bit harder.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's your page.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't owe them anything, So in the end you

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<v Speaker 1>probably just have to get comfortable with the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you might offend some people. But that's the same with

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<v Speaker 1>everything in life. It's your page. You don't owe it

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so true. But I could personally never I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll accept you right now, here's some money, take everything.

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<v Speaker 1>No same. I mean, my other thing is I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>curious that your colleagues would know that you'd accepted some

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<v Speaker 1>people and not others, Like how would they know that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting the level of forensic.

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<v Speaker 2>If it was on Instagram and they went back Injury's profile,

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<v Speaker 2>they would see followed by and then mutuals Oh yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably could be confronted.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to be brutal. Would someone actually ask you that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone would actually say, hey, you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>accepted my friend request. But also I don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>like these people, Like they could be like boomers who

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<v Speaker 2>are just like think that it's all free for all.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my mom is someone who would definitely be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't accepted my friend request.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but my mom also thinks that like people's pages,

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<v Speaker 1>like the newsfeed, she gets confused about what's public. Like

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes she'd be like, oh, yeah, I thought that there

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<v Speaker 1>was an update on the news or something. I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a comment on someone else's wat Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a messy. It's messy out there, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a messy. So be prepared to have the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, if I just started a new job and

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<v Speaker 2>all my colleagues suddenly wanted to be friends with me

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. I'd be really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a compliment, for sure, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just me and how I think about myself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole other thing to unpack.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think, think about what you like posting, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what do you use your social media for? And do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to have to think every time you post

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<v Speaker 1>my work friends are on here?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's such a good point. That's probably what Drew's

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what's worse than not accepting someone and then knowing

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<v Speaker 1>about it is you accepting them and then defriending them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's way worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Or constantly having to like upload and then realize and

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<v Speaker 2>then delete and then add close friends and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing. It's gonna be like management. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be too much admin. Oh, good luck, Drew, too

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<v Speaker 2>much ADM. Like, that's just so much we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>But we were pretty useless on that question.

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<v Speaker 2>We made this question way deeper than it needed to be.

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