WEBVTT - Supermodel Rachel Hunter Was The Ultimate 90s Muse - Then She Walked Away 0:00:05.799 --> 0:00:08.519 You're listening to a mother Neir podcast. 0:00:09.199 --> 0:00:11.599 I left, so I take the consequences of this. 0:00:11.839 --> 0:00:14.359 But I can't speak about what he thought or whatever, 0:00:14.599 --> 0:00:17.559 but I can speak about how I did. So I 0:00:17.599 --> 0:00:22.199 had to get on and move what I needed to do, 0:00:22.439 --> 0:00:26.439 and I created a home, I created work. I sometimes 0:00:26.479 --> 0:00:28.959 had to leave the kids to go and work. You know, 0:00:29.079 --> 0:00:31.079 they had a beautiful relationship with their dad. 0:00:31.439 --> 0:00:31.799 You know it. 0:00:32.319 --> 0:00:34.399 It was you do what you've got to do. 0:00:42.359 --> 0:00:46.199 Today on no filter, we are talking about a life 0:00:46.319 --> 0:00:51.479 lived at an extraordinary scale. In the late eighties and nineties, 0:00:51.759 --> 0:00:56.199 a very small group of women became something entirely new 0:00:56.359 --> 0:01:02.079 in popular culture, supermodels. They weren't just faces for fashion, 0:01:02.879 --> 0:01:07.079 they were global celebrities as famous as the movie stars 0:01:07.079 --> 0:01:11.359 and pop icons with whom they mixed. They were shaping beauty, 0:01:11.759 --> 0:01:17.159 culture and desire in real time. My guest today is 0:01:17.279 --> 0:01:21.599 Rachel Hunter, a New Zealand schoolgirl from Auckland who found 0:01:21.599 --> 0:01:25.679 herself catapulted from a low key upbringing at the bottom 0:01:25.719 --> 0:01:27.879 of the world, depending on your view of the world, 0:01:28.639 --> 0:01:36.479 into the most glamorous, intense, and scrutinized world, imaginable international runways, 0:01:36.639 --> 0:01:41.999 global fashion and beauty campaigns, magazine covers, and a level 0:01:41.999 --> 0:01:47.159 of fame few people ever experience. In this conversation, we 0:01:47.239 --> 0:01:50.119 talk about what life was really like during the height 0:01:50.159 --> 0:01:53.919 of the supermodel era, the glamour, the excess, the pressure, 0:01:54.319 --> 0:01:57.959 and the power, as well as the personal chapters that 0:01:58.119 --> 0:02:04.999 unfolded alongside that public life, including love, motherhood, loss, and reenvention. 0:02:06.079 --> 0:02:10.719 Don't forget she married a global rock star. This is 0:02:10.719 --> 0:02:15.599 a conversation about fame, identity, and what happens after you've 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.639 lived one of the most visible lives of a generation, 0:02:19.479 --> 0:02:23.879 and how you learn to define yourself on your own terms. 0:02:24.559 --> 0:02:30.799 This is Rachel Hunter totally unfiltered. I have to say, okay, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.719 and this is a great thrill. Rachel Hunter, welcome to 0:02:35.799 --> 0:02:36.399 no filter. 0:02:36.759 --> 0:02:41.799 Oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you. That's 0:02:41.879 --> 0:02:42.599 so nice to be. 0:02:42.879 --> 0:02:45.639 With you, So thrilled to have you here. 0:02:46.119 --> 0:02:49.119 Anyone who saw you in I'm a celebrity, Get me 0:02:49.159 --> 0:02:52.559 out of here in the Jungle would know that you 0:02:52.879 --> 0:02:58.479 have really leant into spirituality in the form of you know, 0:02:58.599 --> 0:03:03.159 Indian immersion La la Lah incarnation. Reincarnation is a big 0:03:03.199 --> 0:03:06.239 part of that. When I was doing my deep dive 0:03:06.319 --> 0:03:10.159 on you, I realized you've already lived many lives, haven't you. 0:03:11.559 --> 0:03:14.239 Yeah, it's you know, when I when I look back, 0:03:14.359 --> 0:03:16.879 because even when I was doing, when I was doing, 0:03:17.079 --> 0:03:20.079 I'm a celebrity, and obviously every time someone re into 0:03:20.159 --> 0:03:23.039 the camp, you'd have to go through like because some 0:03:23.119 --> 0:03:26.479 of us didn't know who we were, you know, and 0:03:26.479 --> 0:03:29.679 and when you know, I kind of had to speak 0:03:29.719 --> 0:03:32.119 to that. I was like, Okay, some will know from 0:03:32.159 --> 0:03:35.359 my modeling days, some will know from marriage, some will 0:03:35.399 --> 0:03:39.159 know from Stacy's mum, some will know from my spiritual 0:03:39.439 --> 0:03:43.399 you know, journey and stuff. So yeah, like in one lifetime, 0:03:43.439 --> 0:03:46.719 I guess in this one, I definitely feel like I'm 0:03:47.359 --> 0:03:49.079 crushing the different modalities. 0:03:49.439 --> 0:03:51.999 Like yes, I mean I think we all. 0:03:51.839 --> 0:03:54.639 Get this opportunity in some way. Well, like I mean 0:03:54.679 --> 0:03:58.719 we you know, it's going that way for sure for 0:03:58.799 --> 0:03:59.799 a lot of people. 0:03:59.799 --> 0:04:00.999 But it's very rare. 0:04:01.279 --> 0:04:05.679 I think that people have the opportunity, which is probably 0:04:05.679 --> 0:04:08.479 a blessing and a curse, to live that publicly. 0:04:10.199 --> 0:04:12.279 Yeah yeah, and to have. 0:04:12.279 --> 0:04:15.759 Such a public record of who they have been at 0:04:15.879 --> 0:04:20.199 various points in their life. But what I want to 0:04:20.239 --> 0:04:23.599 do is rewind you back before we met you, which 0:04:23.639 --> 0:04:29.439 was on the world stage, and talk about your upbringing, 0:04:29.999 --> 0:04:34.999 which was in Auckland in New Zealand. And what sort 0:04:35.039 --> 0:04:38.559 of young girl, young woman were you then? 0:04:39.559 --> 0:04:40.039 I was? 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.159 I mean when I was, you know, very little, I 0:04:45.199 --> 0:04:48.919 was a very it was very much an introvert. I 0:04:48.999 --> 0:04:53.999 was very very quiet, very very and word would follow 0:04:54.039 --> 0:04:55.479 my mum around everywhere. 0:04:55.639 --> 0:04:58.119 I couldn't be very far up from her at all. 0:04:58.879 --> 0:05:01.759 And you know, we used to play in the bush 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:06.679 and we didn't have all the animals obviously that you 0:05:06.759 --> 0:05:07.679 guys have. 0:05:07.759 --> 0:05:11.199 The menacing ones, scary ones. 0:05:11.679 --> 0:05:14.039 You could your kids just go I mean not to 0:05:14.079 --> 0:05:15.839 say I mean a lot of people are obviously and 0:05:16.439 --> 0:05:19.119 Australia just go and there as well because that's what 0:05:19.159 --> 0:05:23.999 they used to but obviously over here. Yeah, I was 0:05:24.079 --> 0:05:28.959 just a very very inward child, and you know, growing 0:05:29.119 --> 0:05:33.279 kind of being in school was very very hard in 0:05:33.319 --> 0:05:35.359 some ways for me because I think when you are 0:05:35.399 --> 0:05:38.599 that introvert and you are in a social situation in 0:05:38.679 --> 0:05:42.159 school where you've got friends and then you have crushes. 0:05:42.199 --> 0:05:46.159 But then I remember I had, you know this, there 0:05:46.199 --> 0:05:48.559 was a guy I think when I was like, I 0:05:48.599 --> 0:05:50.999 don't know young, and you know I was like if 0:05:50.999 --> 0:05:53.799 anyone found out that, you know, I liked you and 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.239 as soon as someone found out, I would be like, okay, no, no, 0:05:57.319 --> 0:05:59.399 I don't like you anymore, because it was just like 0:05:59.439 --> 0:06:02.359 I was so into being very very private and the 0:06:02.439 --> 0:06:06.599 irony of my life. Eventually, when I turned sixteen, became 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.679 very very public. But I was a very awkward child, 0:06:09.799 --> 0:06:12.199 like you know, people used to say to me in 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.759 high school, like I used to hang out at the 0:06:14.919 --> 0:06:17.239 school library and I had a couple of you know, 0:06:17.479 --> 0:06:20.279 very very good close friends, but it was more like 0:06:20.399 --> 0:06:22.479 that kind of oh, you're stuck up, you know, you 0:06:22.559 --> 0:06:23.919 got to carry it up your ass, because I mean 0:06:23.919 --> 0:06:26.319 I did I did do ballet, so I had a 0:06:26.479 --> 0:06:29.039 very rac prosture, but it was it. 0:06:28.959 --> 0:06:30.879 Was a very yeah. 0:06:30.879 --> 0:06:34.639 I was very very much close to my mother did 0:06:34.719 --> 0:06:39.559 ballet and was very much an introvert growing up. 0:06:40.039 --> 0:06:42.159 What was your family structure? 0:06:42.479 --> 0:06:44.839 There was my obviously my mum and dad. Then my 0:06:44.959 --> 0:06:48.679 sister also who was a year older than me, and 0:06:49.519 --> 0:06:52.799 she was always by my side, obviously only being fifteen 0:06:52.799 --> 0:06:55.839 months older, and so she was you know, she. 0:06:55.799 --> 0:06:56.359 Was always a. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.079 Big support and always around the corner ifever I needed 0:06:59.079 --> 0:07:02.719 her as such, But it was we had a very 0:07:03.439 --> 0:07:08.559 like mum was very much into herbalism and spirituality, and 0:07:08.759 --> 0:07:10.839 one minute would come home and the Mormon, you know, 0:07:10.919 --> 0:07:12.999 the Mormons would be sitting there and be like, darling, 0:07:13.039 --> 0:07:15.239 look we're going to have lovely dinner tonight with them. 0:07:15.359 --> 0:07:17.479 And you know, the next thing, we were trotting off 0:07:17.479 --> 0:07:19.999 to the church there, and then the next thing she 0:07:20.039 --> 0:07:22.599 would be, you know, Baptist, and then she would do 0:07:22.679 --> 0:07:28.039 So there was always a variety of religious escapades that 0:07:28.079 --> 0:07:31.479 we were going to go on, and so it was. 0:07:31.679 --> 0:07:35.999 It was a very open, very loving family. Look, everybody 0:07:36.039 --> 0:07:38.759 always has that undercurrent that is there and you kind 0:07:38.759 --> 0:07:40.799 of go through, but I don't really want to get 0:07:40.799 --> 0:07:41.199 into that. 0:07:41.799 --> 0:07:42.719 Yeah, there was kind of. 0:07:42.679 --> 0:07:47.599 A it's literally when I hit sixteen, everything changed, Like 0:07:47.719 --> 0:07:51.319 fifteen sixteen, I had I had a blood disorder when 0:07:51.359 --> 0:07:55.559 I was around I would say, fourteen or fifteen, and 0:07:55.639 --> 0:07:57.519 Mom came home and she saw that my clothes were 0:07:57.559 --> 0:07:59.799 all on the floor and I was in bed and 0:07:59.839 --> 0:08:03.159 I was very, very sick. Later to find out that 0:08:03.199 --> 0:08:07.079 I actually had toxic plasis, which is a blood disorder 0:08:07.759 --> 0:08:10.599 for people who are kind of near cats or raw 0:08:10.679 --> 0:08:11.279 meat or whatever. 0:08:11.319 --> 0:08:14.879 How I picked up very dangerous for pregnant women in particular. 0:08:14.959 --> 0:08:20.239 Very very very dangerous. Yeah, fortunately it was not pregnant at. 0:08:20.079 --> 0:08:22.319 That, but. 0:08:24.719 --> 0:08:29.279 Jokes like that, it's like bad humor. But anyway, but 0:08:29.319 --> 0:08:33.479 I mean, I kind of left school, and you cannot 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:38.519 deny where life takes you. And I know, and I'm 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.919 just talking. I know some people go through very very 0:08:44.039 --> 0:08:47.839 very traumatic and I'm just talking in general of the 0:08:47.919 --> 0:08:50.479 normal kind of box as such. 0:08:51.999 --> 0:08:52.759 But I mean, I. 0:08:54.399 --> 0:08:56.999 Had been studying ballet for ten years. I was a 0:08:57.079 --> 0:08:59.599 runner at school, athletes, so I sunk everything kind of 0:08:59.599 --> 0:09:05.239 that introvertedness into a very solo sports like runner. So 0:09:05.279 --> 0:09:07.519 it's very so I wasn't really kind of you know 0:09:07.519 --> 0:09:10.879 what I mean, It was very very individual. And so 0:09:10.919 --> 0:09:14.159 when I got sick, I couldn't dance anymore because you 0:09:14.199 --> 0:09:16.479 don't have the strength to do it. I couldn't run anymore, 0:09:17.159 --> 0:09:19.639 and so all I could do was basically be at home. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.879 Even a car ride for four hours, I was exhausted, 0:09:21.959 --> 0:09:23.919 came home. So I didn't go to school that much 0:09:23.999 --> 0:09:26.519 that year either, which was kind of fun but not. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.199 And the next thing I knew. 0:09:28.999 --> 0:09:30.759 When I kind of came out of that, I knew 0:09:30.799 --> 0:09:33.359 I couldn't go back to dance as much, which crushed me. 0:09:33.519 --> 0:09:34.839 Not to go back to ballet. 0:09:35.479 --> 0:09:37.999 So I started running and to try and get my 0:09:38.039 --> 0:09:41.359 strength back up, and then on the beaches where I 0:09:41.399 --> 0:09:44.039 met this photographer and he came up to me and said, 0:09:44.119 --> 0:09:45.919 you should be modeling. 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:51.159 Which is weird, right, that's totally wed. So a part 0:09:51.199 --> 0:09:54.159 of you must have thought, who's this guy? 0:09:54.639 --> 0:09:54.799 Yeah? 0:09:54.799 --> 0:09:59.119 I was like, that's yeah, you're like you know, and 0:09:59.159 --> 0:10:02.119 I was old enough to know, you know, the don't 0:10:02.159 --> 0:10:04.239 talk to strangers thing that we will grow up with. 0:10:04.759 --> 0:10:06.959 You can be a model, and I was very much 0:10:06.999 --> 0:10:07.519 aware of that. 0:10:07.599 --> 0:10:09.439 And I was like, okay, great, I'll take your card 0:10:09.439 --> 0:10:11.919 that I just think this is really weird. And so 0:10:11.999 --> 0:10:14.799 I went home and took it to my mother and anyway, 0:10:14.839 --> 0:10:17.439 we researched a little bit further and she did and 0:10:17.959 --> 0:10:20.999 I ended up doing some photos with him, which I 0:10:21.079 --> 0:10:22.119 look so awkward. 0:10:22.599 --> 0:10:24.959 If I can find those of find them for. 0:10:24.919 --> 0:10:27.599 You, oh, I'd love to say those. 0:10:28.039 --> 0:10:29.399 I know they were just such. 0:10:29.639 --> 0:10:32.159 You know, a lot of my dance was actually brought 0:10:32.199 --> 0:10:38.519 into my first photo shoots. So life prepares you somehow 0:10:38.639 --> 0:10:41.719 if you look for the obvious signs and you take 0:10:41.799 --> 0:10:47.639 sometimes those tunities, albeit the right opportunities, the ones where 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.879 we do have an awareness. The ones where were like 0:10:51.039 --> 0:10:53.359 a little bit scared, but hey, what if I do it, 0:10:53.399 --> 0:10:54.279 what's going to happen? 0:10:54.919 --> 0:10:56.439 Obviously I took my mother with me. 0:10:57.359 --> 0:11:00.959 Do things safely, do things with discernment and all the 0:11:00.999 --> 0:11:04.559 rest of it. But life is literally mapping out for you. 0:11:04.599 --> 0:11:06.879 But sometimes you go the long way around, right or 0:11:06.879 --> 0:11:09.039 sometimes you go the short way around, depending on what 0:11:09.159 --> 0:11:09.959 way you want. 0:11:09.839 --> 0:11:11.279 To kind of swerve on. 0:11:11.479 --> 0:11:17.199 But this was all beautifully lined up in some ways 0:11:17.279 --> 0:11:21.679 because after that point, I just went straight to Australia. 0:11:21.799 --> 0:11:25.199 Australian vogue harp is bizarre, you know. I was meant 0:11:25.199 --> 0:11:26.799 to stay there but then got asked to go to 0:11:26.839 --> 0:11:33.239 New York and everything just went from this inward child 0:11:33.319 --> 0:11:36.279 that was just so like all I used to do 0:11:36.399 --> 0:11:38.839 was hang out and talk to my animals, you know, 0:11:38.959 --> 0:11:42.199 my dog. I used to make things for animals in 0:11:42.199 --> 0:11:43.679 the bush. So I mean it was I was very 0:11:43.759 --> 0:11:47.799 much an introvert to go into New York City, you know, like, 0:11:47.879 --> 0:11:50.239 how does that happen in someone's personality? 0:11:50.759 --> 0:11:56.199 You know, is actually extraordinary because we're also talking about 0:11:56.279 --> 0:11:59.719 an area that was like pre social media, and there 0:11:59.759 --> 0:12:02.479 was no way of kind of staying connected other than 0:12:02.479 --> 0:12:07.319 the phone or maybe letters, and for you to be 0:12:07.479 --> 0:12:12.799 catapulted into this other life where your mother had done 0:12:12.839 --> 0:12:16.999 a due diligence obviously absolutely, and for you to come 0:12:17.039 --> 0:12:22.799 from this kind of very solitary existence into this explosion, 0:12:22.839 --> 0:12:26.199 particularly of what forget Australia, but what New York must 0:12:26.239 --> 0:12:31.039 have been like at the time. How were you processing that, 0:12:31.159 --> 0:12:35.399 Like was there a moment at which you would go up, 0:12:35.799 --> 0:12:40.599 this feels unreal or did it feel like it was somehow. 0:12:41.759 --> 0:12:43.959 Meant to be playing out the way it was? 0:12:44.799 --> 0:12:46.199 So there was a little bit of both. 0:12:46.319 --> 0:12:48.319 There was like I just put one foot in front 0:12:48.359 --> 0:12:50.919 of the other and was like this is where I 0:12:51.039 --> 0:12:55.919 meant to walk and be at the same time, there 0:12:56.719 --> 0:12:59.759 you know, when you're working in that field, because I 0:12:59.879 --> 0:13:02.319 worked a lot, there was the point where I was 0:13:02.359 --> 0:13:05.239 like I'm burning out, Like I can't do this anymore, 0:13:05.319 --> 0:13:08.879 Like I just need some time off. So you are 0:13:08.919 --> 0:13:12.639 at an age too where you're like, what are boundaries? 0:13:12.719 --> 0:13:12.919 Right? 0:13:12.999 --> 0:13:15.119 You're learning boundaries at that young age. 0:13:15.279 --> 0:13:17.559 You know, you're you're learning how to say no to 0:13:18.399 --> 0:13:23.879 adult circumstances. And I mean, obviously school does prepare you 0:13:24.199 --> 0:13:26.879 for this, but you're but I was very fortunate. I 0:13:26.879 --> 0:13:30.839 took my mum over with me at that point and 0:13:30.879 --> 0:13:34.599 she came and I was with Ford Models. So Eileen 0:13:34.759 --> 0:13:38.599 was very much a mother figure, and the Ford Agency 0:13:38.719 --> 0:13:40.599 was very motherly figure. 0:13:40.319 --> 0:13:43.159 And there was from the right. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.359 She was fiercely protected, protective. 0:13:46.439 --> 0:13:52.639 So I was fortunate she had your best instincts at heart, 0:13:54.079 --> 0:13:57.879 rather than possibly opportunistically just trying to squeeze all the 0:13:57.959 --> 0:13:58.919 juice out of the lemon. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:13:59.839 Oh. 0:13:59.879 --> 0:14:02.919 No, she was very she was very look we I 0:14:03.039 --> 0:14:04.199 lived with her in her house. 0:14:04.719 --> 0:14:06.879 There was quite a few. There was not quite a 0:14:06.879 --> 0:14:07.359 few of us. 0:14:07.399 --> 0:14:09.999 There was a certain selection, and I lived with her 0:14:10.119 --> 0:14:12.999 in her townhouse with her husband and her family and stuff, 0:14:13.039 --> 0:14:15.399 and you know, we had our meals caught for so 0:14:15.479 --> 0:14:18.199 it was a very family environment. It wasn't just like 0:14:18.279 --> 0:14:22.359 a model apartment. It was it was very much a 0:14:22.399 --> 0:14:26.399 family house. And I was very, very lucky, literally handed 0:14:26.439 --> 0:14:29.879 this amazing career and a silver platter, and you know, 0:14:29.999 --> 0:14:31.759 I thought I was just do this for six months 0:14:31.759 --> 0:14:34.239 and then I go home. It didn't turn out that 0:14:34.319 --> 0:14:37.119 way whatsoever at all. 0:14:37.319 --> 0:14:41.719 No, it did not years later, But it's it's it's like. 0:14:43.199 --> 0:14:48.519 You just you know, people say, what the thing that 0:14:48.639 --> 0:14:51.959 you you're meant to be doing is literally in front 0:14:51.959 --> 0:14:55.999 of you. It's so true. You just need to what 0:14:56.079 --> 0:14:58.279 is what are your passions? Like, what are the things 0:14:58.279 --> 0:15:02.679 that you're attracted to? And you're like, it is. I 0:15:02.679 --> 0:15:04.799 mean not to say I was not looking to be 0:15:04.839 --> 0:15:07.159 a model whatsoever. I wanted to be a ballerina. But 0:15:07.279 --> 0:15:11.159 did ballet help me in this scenario? Absolutely did it? 0:15:11.719 --> 0:15:12.839 You know, take me. 0:15:12.799 --> 0:15:16.839 In this direction of meeting you know, Rod and having 0:15:16.839 --> 0:15:21.319 two beautiful children, then going on my own journey you 0:15:21.319 --> 0:15:23.279 know once you know, we broke up and all the 0:15:23.279 --> 0:15:27.319 rest of it. So it's like your your beautiful part 0:15:27.439 --> 0:15:30.719 of your life, where your soul's journey is there. It's 0:15:30.839 --> 0:15:34.279 just what other what are your choices along this way? 0:15:34.799 --> 0:15:37.479 And some can take you the longer way around, which 0:15:38.079 --> 0:15:42.439 will happen is how I feel and summer, you know, 0:15:42.879 --> 0:15:45.879 not the shortcuts, but where you kind of sit in 0:15:45.879 --> 0:15:48.439 that flow state where you're like, how's all this happening 0:15:48.519 --> 0:15:49.479 so easily? 0:15:50.319 --> 0:15:50.519 Yeah? 0:15:50.559 --> 0:15:54.759 I love that you say that along the way you 0:15:54.839 --> 0:16:00.439 had been prepared for the work of being what went 0:16:00.479 --> 0:16:04.079 on to become a supermodel by the fact that you 0:16:04.239 --> 0:16:07.319 had immersed yourself so much in dance and that had 0:16:07.319 --> 0:16:10.599 been your passion, which of course would be so handy 0:16:10.639 --> 0:16:13.519 when it comes to angling and position and understanding of 0:16:13.559 --> 0:16:18.839 your body. But also I imagine that it gave you 0:16:18.879 --> 0:16:21.519 because the work of a dancer is so intense and 0:16:21.599 --> 0:16:26.039 you have to be so disciplined, self critical, but through 0:16:26.079 --> 0:16:31.319 a lens dear discipline, critical but not critical necessarily of 0:16:31.359 --> 0:16:35.719 yourself as a person, but of what the overall form is. 0:16:35.839 --> 0:16:37.959 Yes, absolutely so. 0:16:37.959 --> 0:16:41.799 Did that provide some sort of protection because we know 0:16:41.999 --> 0:16:46.559 that a lot of models get eaten up by external forces, 0:16:46.599 --> 0:16:53.719 but also what's inside? Yeah, did that provide some sort 0:16:53.759 --> 0:16:56.399 of insulation for you in that world? 0:16:56.679 --> 0:17:00.559 I mean, oh god, it's such an interesting world, the 0:17:00.599 --> 0:17:04.239 modeling world, because obviously it's changed so much now because 0:17:04.239 --> 0:17:08.199 there was certain looks that were and there was you know, 0:17:08.839 --> 0:17:14.239 there was very little diversity in that time, and so 0:17:14.399 --> 0:17:17.479 there was there were many things that we weren't aware of. 0:17:17.679 --> 0:17:20.799 And I do look at that sometimes and think, you know, 0:17:20.879 --> 0:17:23.639 there's there's critics that go back and look at those 0:17:23.719 --> 0:17:24.559 generations and. 0:17:24.519 --> 0:17:27.799 Criticize, but it's and to me do it. 0:17:27.839 --> 0:17:33.999 Diversity is obviously so important and that and that time 0:17:34.199 --> 0:17:37.679 it started happening. But as far as like body wise, 0:17:37.759 --> 0:17:41.759 body image all that, Like I kind of I feel 0:17:41.759 --> 0:17:44.959 like my upbringing with my mother and how she was 0:17:44.999 --> 0:17:50.679 and how much she loved her her daughters, and body 0:17:50.679 --> 0:17:53.799 image was just never a thing as such, and she 0:17:53.919 --> 0:17:57.119 always I don't know, it was never brought up. And 0:17:57.239 --> 0:18:01.279 also there was a there was a pretty strong backbone 0:18:01.319 --> 0:18:02.959 with me where I was like, I don't give a 0:18:02.959 --> 0:18:06.199 shit what you think, like just you know, I was 0:18:06.279 --> 0:18:10.559 quite ballsy, like I wouldn't put up with much. 0:18:10.759 --> 0:18:11.879 That's interesting. 0:18:12.719 --> 0:18:14.679 So I don't know where that came from too, because 0:18:14.719 --> 0:18:18.039 I was such an introvert too, but I did when 0:18:18.079 --> 0:18:21.879 I was going through that whole toxic plasmosis. Just to 0:18:21.959 --> 0:18:25.879 jump back into that, I was very second moms trying 0:18:25.879 --> 0:18:29.559 to find alternative medicines to help me get better. And 0:18:29.599 --> 0:18:32.239 she went to an eravat of doctor and she also 0:18:32.479 --> 0:18:37.519 this eravated doctor had this girlfriend who was a ballerina, 0:18:37.599 --> 0:18:39.719 and she goes, I want to do a metamorphic message 0:18:39.759 --> 0:18:42.119 on you, and I was like, MoMA's like okay, well 0:18:43.159 --> 0:18:45.399 and let she She goes, in ten days time, you 0:18:45.479 --> 0:18:48.919 will you'll feel this and you might feel that a 0:18:48.959 --> 0:18:50.439 lot of things will come up. 0:18:51.319 --> 0:18:51.519 Well. 0:18:52.599 --> 0:18:55.279 It was like Rachel had changed overnight. It was like 0:18:55.519 --> 0:18:58.319 I said, how I felt. I said how I feel. 0:18:58.679 --> 0:19:01.559 I don't know whether there was a permission as such there, 0:19:01.639 --> 0:19:04.359 but you know, because we don't know what we're unlocking, 0:19:04.639 --> 0:19:07.639 don't know. I mean, our bodies are these beautiful instruments, 0:19:07.639 --> 0:19:09.959 and they hold all sorts of different things, as we 0:19:10.079 --> 0:19:14.559 have read in many different books, not only psychologically, spiritually 0:19:14.599 --> 0:19:16.599 as well as as. 0:19:16.719 --> 0:19:18.799 As our body, you know. 0:19:19.519 --> 0:19:21.639 So I don't know what it did, but all of 0:19:21.679 --> 0:19:25.199 a sudden, there's strength and a strength with my voice 0:19:25.279 --> 0:19:27.879 came out and I said how I felt, and that 0:19:28.079 --> 0:19:31.839 just kind of kept developing and developing. So again it 0:19:31.999 --> 0:19:35.679 was another mechanism that I kind of leaned into before 0:19:35.719 --> 0:19:38.319 I actually ended up going into the modeling field. So 0:19:38.399 --> 0:19:40.879 it wasn't like I was put in any situation that 0:19:40.959 --> 0:19:43.639 I had to find my voice. It was just it 0:19:44.199 --> 0:19:47.279 had already been, you know, being prepared at that point 0:19:47.319 --> 0:19:49.319 when I got when I got it was released. 0:19:51.239 --> 0:19:53.159 What was a metamorphic? 0:19:54.199 --> 0:19:54.279 Like? 0:19:54.319 --> 0:19:55.319 What what was that? 0:19:55.519 --> 0:19:56.879 Like? What was it was a lot to do with 0:19:56.919 --> 0:19:59.519 the feet when you remember it was a lot to 0:19:59.559 --> 0:20:02.959 do with the weight. One googled it because I remember 0:20:02.959 --> 0:20:05.839 talking about this and the podcast and I was like, God, 0:20:05.839 --> 0:20:08.519 I have to google what is a metamorphic Well, obviously 0:20:08.559 --> 0:20:11.919 metamic means of transformation, but it had a lot. 0:20:11.839 --> 0:20:14.999 To do with feet, Like there was certain areas of. 0:20:15.039 --> 0:20:18.279 The feet and we all know that they have, you know, 0:20:18.439 --> 0:20:21.199 and reflexology there to do with the organs and all 0:20:21.199 --> 0:20:21.959 that kind of stuff. 0:20:21.999 --> 0:20:25.039 So anyway, I just did it. But maybe it was more. 0:20:24.959 --> 0:20:28.959 Their permission there as well, you know, like the whole 0:20:28.999 --> 0:20:34.159 thing became a whole modality of just ready to release 0:20:34.239 --> 0:20:34.799 that side of me. 0:20:34.919 --> 0:20:39.199 I don't know, but it was great. Yes, out came 0:20:39.239 --> 0:20:40.359 the voice. 0:20:40.519 --> 0:20:43.639 Because it's like you'd been made a promise, you'd been 0:20:43.639 --> 0:20:49.359 made a promise, and you accepting that promise, yeah, yeah, 0:20:49.559 --> 0:20:51.159 then becomes the truth of you. 0:20:51.279 --> 0:20:54.439 Yeah. It was like this is how you could potentially 0:20:54.439 --> 0:20:57.559 feel and maybe that was like all I needed. I 0:20:57.639 --> 0:21:01.679 actually really want to feel that. And I remember feeling 0:21:01.879 --> 0:21:06.159 this the strength of me and it was like now 0:21:06.159 --> 0:21:08.679 it was the time that I needed to row, you know, 0:21:08.959 --> 0:21:11.519 And that happened. 0:21:14.199 --> 0:21:14.959 After the break. 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:19.159 Rachel talks about becoming part of that exclusive and delusive 0:21:19.239 --> 0:21:25.639 group of women who defined the supermodel era. So at 0:21:25.679 --> 0:21:29.279 this point, you're you're I'm going to say running with 0:21:29.319 --> 0:21:32.079 the other supermodels. I can't even begin to imagine what 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.399 it was like at the time. But you're not supermodels yet. 0:21:36.399 --> 0:21:39.719 You're kind of just discovering each other correct, well a 0:21:39.759 --> 0:21:44.199 lot of us, so you don't know what like who 0:21:44.479 --> 0:21:48.479 is who or what is what the right So you 0:21:48.519 --> 0:21:54.079 were encountering the other women at the time, Naomi Campbell, 0:21:55.319 --> 0:21:56.319 Christy Turlington. 0:21:56.879 --> 0:22:00.919 Everybody at that time would everybody would kind of pass 0:22:01.039 --> 0:22:05.199 but there was no like everybody was working so in 0:22:05.279 --> 0:22:07.919 different places, but we would all know of each other 0:22:08.079 --> 0:22:11.039 and move around, but there was no like we're all 0:22:11.079 --> 0:22:14.239 on the same jobs at the same time, but you know, 0:22:14.839 --> 0:22:17.599 working in New York, working over in Europe, all the 0:22:17.639 --> 0:22:21.399 rest of it. There was there was all these different jobs, 0:22:21.479 --> 0:22:25.519 so I mean most of the time you're by yourself 0:22:25.839 --> 0:22:29.999 and these scenarios doing like editory oceans or yeah, so 0:22:30.439 --> 0:22:34.039 as much as we knew, but we didn't know, but 0:22:34.079 --> 0:22:36.439