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Speaker 2: I left, so I take the consequences of this.

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Speaker 3: But I can't speak about what he thought or whatever,

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Speaker 3: but I can speak about how I did. So I

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Speaker 3: had to get on and move what I needed to do,

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Speaker 3: and I created a home, I created work. I sometimes

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Speaker 3: had to leave the kids to go and work. You know,

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Speaker 3: they had a beautiful relationship with their dad.

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Speaker 2: It was you do what you've got to do.

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Speaker 4: Today on no filter, we are talking about a life

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Speaker 4: lived at an extraordinary scale. In the late eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 4: a very small group of women became something entirely new

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Speaker 4: in popular culture, supermodels. They weren't just faces for fashion,

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Speaker 4: they were global celebrities as famous as the movie stars

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Speaker 4: and pop icons with whom they mixed. They were shaping beauty,

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Speaker 4: culture and desire in real time. My guest today is

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Speaker 4: Rachel Hunter, a New Zealand schoolgirl from Auckland who found

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Speaker 4: herself catapulted from a low key upbringing at the bottom

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Speaker 4: of the world, depending on your view of the world,

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Speaker 4: into the most glamorous, intense, and scrutinized world, imaginable international runways,

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Speaker 4: global fashion and beauty campaigns, magazine covers, and a level

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Speaker 4: of fame few people ever experience. In this conversation, we

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Speaker 4: talk about what life was really like during the height

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Speaker 4: of the supermodel era, the glamour, the excess, the pressure,

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Speaker 4: and the power, as well as the personal chapters that

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Speaker 4: unfolded alongside that public life, including love, motherhood, loss, and reenvention.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget she married a global rock star. This is

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Speaker 4: a conversation about fame, identity, and what happens after you've

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Speaker 4: lived one of the most visible lives of a generation,

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Speaker 4: and how you learn to define yourself on your own terms.

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Speaker 4: This is Rachel Hunter totally unfiltered. I have to say, okay,

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Speaker 4: and this is a great thrill. Rachel Hunter, welcome to

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you. That's

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Speaker 2: so nice to be.

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Speaker 1: With you, So thrilled to have you here.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who saw you in I'm a celebrity, Get me

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Speaker 4: have really leant into spirituality in the form of you know,

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Speaker 4: Indian immersion La la Lah incarnation. Reincarnation is a big

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Speaker 4: part of that. When I was doing my deep dive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, when I when I look back,

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Speaker 4: Uh No, but in the scale, through the through the

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Speaker 3: mean we we There was no I mean for me,

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00:24:56,639 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: there was just a really a great community sense of

442
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:03,039
Speaker 3: community with that in some ways. I mean other people

443
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:05,519
Speaker 3: can say, but I mean for me, that's what it was.

444
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:07,079
Speaker 1: Right, because you're.

445
00:25:08,999 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: Very good at assimilating and incorporating your environment into who

446
00:25:15,479 --> 00:25:18,999
Speaker 4: you are and how you travel through it. But even

447
00:25:19,639 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 4: with that kind of worldview and openness to experience, there

448
00:25:24,479 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: must have been a time where you went, I cannot

449
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 4: believe I'm here. I cannot believe this is happening to me.

450
00:25:31,959 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, there was definitely. I remember when I was

451
00:25:37,159 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 3: doing a Revlon commercial actually out in Los Angeles where

452
00:25:40,439 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: basically they pecked me up in a car. I must

453
00:25:42,639 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: have been eighteen, I think, and drove me to sunset

454
00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:49,559
Speaker 3: my key. Then I went to.

455
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: The studio, the big movie.

456
00:25:50,999 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 3: Studios, and that was the smell of the warm jasmine

457
00:25:54,399 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 3: was in the air, and it was summer, and there

458
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,519
Speaker 3: was like people staying that were famous, and I.

459
00:25:59,399 --> 00:26:01,559
Speaker 2: Was just like, oh my god, look at these people

460
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:02,839
Speaker 2: famous with it. You know.

461
00:26:03,199 --> 00:26:05,799
Speaker 3: It was Los Angeles, which I lived in New York,

462
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 3: so it was like a little bit more of them,

463
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: you know. And I remember going to the studio and

464
00:26:10,239 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 3: I remember going into. It was clean and clear, was

465
00:26:12,999 --> 00:26:15,999
Speaker 3: the shampoo. And I remember going in and it was

466
00:26:16,239 --> 00:26:20,559
Speaker 3: this that made this lagoon in one of the studios.

467
00:26:20,719 --> 00:26:21,759
Speaker 2: Oh, and I.

468
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 3: Was just like, oh my god, They've literally made this

469
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 3: like a Tarjsian lagoon in the middle of these studios.

470
00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 3: And it was just every day I got picked up,

471
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:35,519
Speaker 3: I had flowers in my room. It was so old school.

472
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't just like oh, here's your plane, take it.

473
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: I'll make your flight and then you know, I'll do

474
00:26:39,959 --> 00:26:41,839
Speaker 3: your own hair and makeup at the other end. I mean,

475
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,839
Speaker 3: this is literally what it's like more or less now,

476
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: or you have to have your own team whatever. But

477
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:50,599
Speaker 3: this was just the epitome of the time where there

478
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: was you know, there was the smell of the Cusaba

479
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,039
Speaker 3: blanca Lily's that you smell when you walk into the room.

480
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,519
Speaker 3: There was a beautiful card welcome, We're looking forward to

481
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: working with you, you know the cut. Like I said,

482
00:27:02,919 --> 00:27:07,039
Speaker 3: it was just that was those types of jobs just

483
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: blew my mind. When I used to work with Cover Girl,

484
00:27:09,199 --> 00:27:11,519
Speaker 3: the kindness of the team and the flowers and the

485
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,039
Speaker 3: respect and blah blah blah, those were it was. It

486
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 3: was pretty intoxicating. So you did feel really welcomed and

487
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:23,519
Speaker 3: special and yeah, and that way you were like, oh,

488
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:27,599
Speaker 3: like I talk even in my retreats about receiving, receive

489
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 3: the fact that you're in this beautiful place.

490
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: Just receive it. It doesn't mean ego, it.

491
00:27:32,239 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: Just means just acknowledge, right, And so those moments were

492
00:27:36,479 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: really you know where you've kind of felt like this,

493
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,279
Speaker 3: you know when you see chickens kind of puff their

494
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: chests down their little feathers like that.

495
00:27:42,999 --> 00:27:46,319
Speaker 2: It kind of felt that like this little So that

496
00:27:46,479 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 2: was yeah, yeah.

497
00:27:48,479 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 4: And then you laid an egg, a golden egg for someone. Hey,

498
00:27:57,399 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: when you look back at that era of girls, did

499
00:28:01,439 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: you become close to any of them in particular?

500
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,999
Speaker 3: Not really like like I said, we moved around so much.

501
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: I've had many interactions with Al obviously Macpheerson, and she's

502
00:28:13,479 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: just beautiful and kind and sweet.

503
00:28:16,199 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 2: But it was all the same. We were just all.

504
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 3: These these girls that just had this irony of this

505
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 3: moment that happened in our lives where it was just

506
00:28:25,199 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: individually we were all so different, but everyone was just

507
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 3: very caring and kind when you'd turn up on set.

508
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 3: I remember when one of my first shoots was a

509
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,079
Speaker 3: Mahn and I remember I walked around the corner and

510
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,839
Speaker 3: I saw her and I was just like just cold,

511
00:28:40,879 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 3: believe my eyes the beauty and the magnificence of this woman.

512
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 3: And she was truly just breathtaking and just her elegance

513
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,839
Speaker 3: and her So there was just many moments like that

514
00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:57,159
Speaker 3: where you did turn around, you know, Christy Turlington, Naomi,

515
00:28:57,239 --> 00:29:00,399
Speaker 3: all of them that they just have this beautiful, the

516
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,439
Speaker 3: charismatic side that you're just like, wow, you know there

517
00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:08,679
Speaker 3: is this but again it's not just looked, it's deeper.

518
00:29:09,959 --> 00:29:11,199
Speaker 2: There's something in there.

519
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's in there, And you know, I'll never forget

520
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,639
Speaker 3: those times when you're actually in the rooms with them

521
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 3: and go wow, just yeah, beautiful, beautiful energy.

522
00:29:21,479 --> 00:29:21,759
Speaker 2: In there.

523
00:29:22,199 --> 00:29:27,079
Speaker 4: That's so true because I remember once seeing on Chapel

524
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,039
Speaker 4: Street in Melbourne years ago a woman walking down the

525
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:36,559
Speaker 4: street who was so phenomenally beautiful. It was it was

526
00:29:36,719 --> 00:29:38,879
Speaker 4: like a planet had fallen to Earth.

527
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:41,999
Speaker 1: I looked at her before.

528
00:29:41,719 --> 00:29:45,759
Speaker 4: I realized who it was, and it was Helene and Christensen,

529
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,079
Speaker 4: and that led me to think, Oh, isn't that an

530
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:50,519
Speaker 4: interesting thing that there was.

531
00:29:50,479 --> 00:29:52,839
Speaker 1: Something so extraordinary about her?

532
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 4: So sometimes we put the cart before the horse and

533
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,119
Speaker 4: we think of this person's become famous because they're beautiful,

534
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 4: but they've become famous and something in them.

535
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: Yes.

536
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, So here's my question for you. Yeah, what was

537
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:16,119
Speaker 4: it in you? What is it in you that unlocked

538
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:19,039
Speaker 4: the world to you and drew the world's eye?

539
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,199
Speaker 2: I don't know, I have no idea.

540
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,559
Speaker 1: You don't know. I think I know, I think I know.

541
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,559
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you.

542
00:30:33,479 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 3: You can tell it on the podcast so then we

543
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: can listen to it.

544
00:30:37,439 --> 00:30:41,439
Speaker 2: No, you're saying that when.

545
00:30:42,879 --> 00:30:47,439
Speaker 3: Those years, the girls didn't look any different from what

546
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:49,879
Speaker 3: they looked like on the street with no makeup. You

547
00:30:49,959 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 3: put a lot of makeup on. Mmmm. They had there

548
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 3: was a presence and they held something there. It was Yeah,

549
00:30:59,879 --> 00:31:04,319
Speaker 3: it was it was definitely yeah. I mean you look

550
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,079
Speaker 3: at any one of those girls even now when you

551
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:07,919
Speaker 3: walk on the walk on the street, you're like, wow,

552
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,039
Speaker 3: you know that's stunning.

553
00:31:10,679 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it does.

554
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:16,999
Speaker 4: Well, I think in you you have something of the

555
00:31:16,999 --> 00:31:20,799
Speaker 4: Woodland creature about you.

556
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,879
Speaker 2: You know, I love that coming from New Zealand, that's very.

557
00:31:25,479 --> 00:31:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.

558
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,879
Speaker 4: I think it's that quality, like a certain sort of

559
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:38,919
Speaker 4: certainty about yourself but not but not necessarily an overconfidence

560
00:31:38,999 --> 00:31:42,439
Speaker 4: or whatever, and a sort of fawn like grace, you know,

561
00:31:43,479 --> 00:31:47,159
Speaker 4: and that spectacular fur on your head. They go out

562
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,919
Speaker 4: the main Hey, who has captured you in a way

563
00:31:53,199 --> 00:31:58,279
Speaker 4: from your career in a photographic shoot or whatever? That

564
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:00,879
Speaker 4: that that you liked the most.

565
00:32:01,399 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 3: Stephen Morselle, hands down has to be one of the

566
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,119
Speaker 3: most of all photographers of all time and for me

567
00:32:07,479 --> 00:32:10,439
Speaker 3: and I remember working with him and at some point

568
00:32:10,479 --> 00:32:12,799
Speaker 3: he said, can you stay behind because I need to

569
00:32:13,159 --> 00:32:16,279
Speaker 3: try this for this a model to try for this

570
00:32:16,719 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 3: cover for Italian Vogue. And we stayed behind and at

571
00:32:20,479 --> 00:32:23,119
Speaker 3: that point I remember used to take my records because

572
00:32:23,159 --> 00:32:28,319
Speaker 3: I used to like DJing and my oh well steel,

573
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:29,839
Speaker 3: I know it was going to be such a big thing.

574
00:32:29,879 --> 00:32:30,839
Speaker 2: But going back to sta.

575
00:32:32,999 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: He and what was it? What was it?

576
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:40,679
Speaker 3: He manages to get you and transform you And it

577
00:32:40,719 --> 00:32:42,839
Speaker 3: wasn't until remember back then, it wasn't until three months

578
00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:43,999
Speaker 3: later that you'd actually.

579
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,159
Speaker 2: See the cover. But my agent actually got.

580
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,679
Speaker 3: Calls going, who's this new goal on the cover of

581
00:32:48,719 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 3: the magazine? That is when you become to me a

582
00:32:52,999 --> 00:32:57,039
Speaker 3: model as you're he's able to transport you out from

583
00:32:57,239 --> 00:33:01,439
Speaker 3: how you look into something that is still you.

584
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: But it's like, hang on a second, is that or

585
00:33:04,679 --> 00:33:05,879
Speaker 2: is that?

586
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:05,079
Speaker 3: That?

587
00:33:06,199 --> 00:33:06,439
Speaker 2: To me?

588
00:33:06,719 --> 00:33:11,799
Speaker 3: Was but ye's still It was the hair, the makeup.

589
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:15,439
Speaker 3: But he is truly one of the most incredible photographers.

590
00:33:15,479 --> 00:33:18,159
Speaker 3: And I worked with him a few more times and

591
00:33:18,919 --> 00:33:23,799
Speaker 3: it was just his artisticness, the way he presented himself

592
00:33:24,439 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 3: when he walked on set, just everything across the board,

593
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:32,199
Speaker 3: and he was truly he's truly magic when it comes to.

594
00:33:33,719 --> 00:33:36,919
Speaker 4: Working with What did you see in the cover that

595
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:37,759
Speaker 4: surprised you?

596
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:45,319
Speaker 3: Simplicity that I was like, how could someone change not

597
00:33:45,479 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 3: change me? Because you could still see me and you'll

598
00:33:47,959 --> 00:33:50,879
Speaker 3: see in the cover I have literally it was a

599
00:33:50,959 --> 00:33:53,759
Speaker 3: rug around me with a little bit of a bras

600
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 3: showing dead straight hair, and then the photography and the

601
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,999
Speaker 3: lighting was just insane, and it was that simple, and

602
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,759
Speaker 3: it was simplicit simple, the simplicity of it, but it

603
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: was I don't know how he does it. He's just

604
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:11,999
Speaker 3: magic and with his team of hair and makeup, it's

605
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 3: all this beautiful concoction of mystery and magic that he

606
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: creates and photography.

607
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,639
Speaker 4: It's interesting that I think you sometimes project the energy

608
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,119
Speaker 4: that gets sent back to you. Well probably a lot

609
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: of the time, and because you seem to have this

610
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 4: view of the world at the time that was kind

611
00:34:33,479 --> 00:34:40,559
Speaker 4: of wholesome. Yeah, that maybe it didn't attract some of

612
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 4: those basic energies like envy or jealousy or competition. Do

613
00:34:47,479 --> 00:34:49,559
Speaker 4: you think you were exempt from that or do you

614
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,199
Speaker 4: think you just didn't see it.

615
00:34:51,879 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: I just thought it was really bizarre that this that

616
00:34:55,439 --> 00:34:58,079
Speaker 3: this world could be what it was, you know, like

617
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,999
Speaker 3: that were we really earning what we were earning? Like

618
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: That's why I said that we were just do this

619
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 3: for six months, because what do we do for a living?

620
00:35:07,479 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 3: But again later did I find out we worked long hours?

621
00:35:11,919 --> 00:35:15,999
Speaker 3: We did, we were creating so much content. But at

622
00:35:15,999 --> 00:35:18,199
Speaker 3: the same time, you know, the flying, all the rest

623
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 3: of it. I was like tell someone to kind of

624
00:35:20,479 --> 00:35:23,639
Speaker 3: do what we were doing. You know, it takes a

625
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: lot of It did take a lot as well as

626
00:35:26,879 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 3: Actually what I was going to say about that is

627
00:35:29,439 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated had apoulted you into more of a across America,

628
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: like into everybody's home, so that we also when we

629
00:35:40,319 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 3: were doing Sports Illustrated, we were also on press kits.

630
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:48,119
Speaker 3: So had we started having voices, we could say our opinions,

631
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: we said what we So the model was no longer

632
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 3: just on the pages of the magazines.

633
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,559
Speaker 2: It became more that we had.

634
00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: This opportunity to talk and voice and the next thing,

635
00:36:01,399 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: most of us were doing workout videos or you know

636
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,999
Speaker 3: or whatever we were brought into you know, personal appearances or

637
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,079
Speaker 3: whatever it was. So there was a shift then that

638
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:15,159
Speaker 3: kind of brought us more onto It wasn't just the

639
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,199
Speaker 3: pretty face. It ended up becoming right, yes, you real

640
00:36:19,319 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: what three D absolutely thank you.

641
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 4: And that that's the superpart, isn't it. That's the superpart.

642
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 4: That's what set you apart from possibility you come before.

643
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, this is why you're so good at what

644
00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:34,999
Speaker 2: you do.

645
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,159
Speaker 3: You kind of like put because yeah, you do the

646
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:41,599
Speaker 3: whole three day you're you're you're in people.

647
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you speak.

648
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: You started, you know, doing not any products, but speaking

649
00:36:46,839 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: for different charities. So there was that was more of

650
00:36:49,399 --> 00:36:53,599
Speaker 3: the layers started coming in at that time. So yeah,

651
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,519
Speaker 3: that was that was pivotal and probably why that that happened.

652
00:36:56,919 --> 00:37:00,079
Speaker 4: And of course that grows your own confidence as well.

653
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So to.

654
00:37:01,799 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 4: Be beautiful is one thing, and a lot of that

655
00:37:04,399 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 4: is a blessing from the gods. But then to fall

656
00:37:07,399 --> 00:37:10,119
Speaker 4: in love with yourself enough that you can feel free

657
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 4: to speak, yeah, is another level of development.

658
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also I didn't really like I was a

659
00:37:19,399 --> 00:37:25,039
Speaker 2: geeky at school like I had. I was I'm curly

660
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: frizzy here, and.

661
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: I didn't see myself as beautiful like I was like, okay, guys,

662
00:37:31,919 --> 00:37:35,159
Speaker 3: I'll go along with this, no problem if that's what

663
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: you think.

664
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: But you know, I didn't.

665
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: Understand why, why the why. I was like, great, I'll

666
00:37:46,319 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: do you know, go and do l magazine and Hawaii

667
00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: and we'll do this, and we'll do a perfume campaign

668
00:37:50,959 --> 00:37:53,159
Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. But I never thought, oh,

669
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,679
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm at never thought of that, always

670
00:37:58,679 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 3: stayed in the innocence of it.

671
00:37:59,999 --> 00:38:01,519
Speaker 2: I think always.

672
00:38:01,759 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 4: Which sounds extraordinary given the time. Times, heady times. And

673
00:38:08,959 --> 00:38:15,639
Speaker 4: then of course you met your husband, Rod Stewart, Yeah,

674
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:22,559
Speaker 4: which is another level of I mean his fame, Yeah,

675
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: the adulation of the world, his talents, blah blah blah.

676
00:38:25,479 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

677
00:38:25,879 --> 00:38:27,079
Speaker 1: How old were you then?

678
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 3: Were you like twenty end of twenty Like I was

679
00:38:30,999 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: just about to turn twenty one, And again I just

680
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: didn't think I was like love great. I never thought

681
00:38:39,879 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: so deeply about everything. There was never any deep contemplation.

682
00:38:44,439 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 3: It was more this is this is where I'm meant

683
00:38:47,959 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: to be, This is what this is, this is what

684
00:38:50,279 --> 00:38:53,559
Speaker 3: I'm feeling, this is what this is, and to me,

685
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: this is what's living right. This is where life just

686
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,999
Speaker 3: exudes itself and it just becomes so abundant because you're

687
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:05,079
Speaker 3: just in this, you know, overthinking.

688
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,039
Speaker 2: Or over analyzing and getting into the head that was

689
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,559
Speaker 2: just this. That's the beauty of that age. Almost.

690
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 4: I don't even know if you can remember the answer

691
00:39:14,999 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 4: to this. You might not be able to remember. So

692
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: you take yourself back to when you were nearly twenty one.

693
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 4: You're in the club. You're in the club, you're dancing

694
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:28,639
Speaker 4: with girls. I imagine having great time. Rod Stewart's there.

695
00:39:29,319 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: Who spoke to who first? Did you speak to him

696
00:39:33,399 --> 00:39:36,999
Speaker 4: or did he speak to you? And what was the exchange?

697
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,559
Speaker 3: Well, it was actually in Los Angeles at the Roxbury

698
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,159
Speaker 3: Nightclub and that was more of like not so much

699
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 3: a big club. It was like this hangout place and

700
00:39:47,399 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: he was over in the corner and Sports Illustratia just

701
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:53,039
Speaker 3: brought out these workout tapes that myself and I think

702
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 3: Al and Cheryl were on and he was kind of

703
00:39:57,399 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 3: mimicking me and my workout thing, and so there was

704
00:40:01,919 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: just this really awkward thing.

705
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,519
Speaker 1: So he was seen much. Yeah, he'd seen it.

706
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:10,599
Speaker 3: Ah, Yeah, and kind of that's where a kind of

707
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:13,599
Speaker 3: the odd communication came along, and then I ended up

708
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: he invited my friend and I to go somewhere the

709
00:40:16,799 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: next day, and then that's kind of where it kind

710
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: of all went up.

711
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:22,599
Speaker 2: But he was the first one to kind of break

712
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:23,159
Speaker 2: the attention.

713
00:40:23,319 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: Mock to mock you, to mock a.

714
00:40:26,439 --> 00:40:29,119
Speaker 2: Little bit in a very cheeky, sweet way, as he would.

715
00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

716
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, comedy humor always wins.

717
00:40:34,479 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: I totally agree. You never laugh so much. Yeah, he's

718
00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: very very funny, very funny.

719
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just trying to place myself into into

720
00:40:44,279 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: the mind and heart of someone who's meeting you for

721
00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: the first time, which I understand you met in a

722
00:40:48,839 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 4: nightclub that you would have been so refreshingly like you

723
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 4: refer to your own innocence, you're something wholesome and fresh

724
00:40:58,839 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 4: about you.

725
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: To someone who at that point.

726
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: Was stratigerically famous, I think would have been so attractive.

727
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,599
Speaker 4: Do you know, almost impossible to believe that you're going

728
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 4: to meet this gorgeous girl in New York who's so

729
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: open to the possibilities of.

730
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:20,079
Speaker 3: Things, because we all put ourselves in our mid forties,

731
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,999
Speaker 3: which is probably when when around when Roden I met.

732
00:41:23,479 --> 00:41:27,039
Speaker 3: And it's true, by that point you're like going, you're

733
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 3: kind of getting them human calculator out and going, I

734
00:41:29,999 --> 00:41:32,039
Speaker 3: have to be grown up now, right, So all that

735
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: curiosity and that those qualities are kind of but it's

736
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: not to say that's how he felt, because I think

737
00:41:37,479 --> 00:41:42,599
Speaker 3: he was this amazing person who always has that curiosity

738
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: with him and who's always kind of like he's very,

739
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 3: very wise, and at the same time he has this

740
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,199
Speaker 3: ability to be consistently you know, curious and open and

741
00:41:54,359 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: says how.

742
00:41:54,799 --> 00:41:57,039
Speaker 2: He feels and blah blah, blah. But I can't speak

743
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 2: for him. It's just my observation.

744
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, humor, humor.

745
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,679
Speaker 3: So much human and that's the thing has been a

746
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,119
Speaker 3: we got married, you know, within three months I was

747
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: you know, with three weeks I was engaged, three months

748
00:42:10,839 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 3: I was married, and then off we kind of had

749
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: this incredible marriage. Obviously, I tuned the classic twenty seven

750
00:42:18,799 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 3: twenty eight, which is a satin return which people talk about.

751
00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:24,599
Speaker 2: Which is where am I? What am I going? It's

752
00:42:26,399 --> 00:42:28,999
Speaker 2: even when I think I was with a therapist.

753
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,079
Speaker 1: And is that rights?

754
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: That is that part of that seven or nine year

755
00:42:33,879 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 4: cycle where we renew or replenish.

756
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:40,639
Speaker 1: Question things.

757
00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:47,119
Speaker 3: I think that satin return happens every twenty some twenty

758
00:42:50,399 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: twenty seven years twenty but you see that why it

759
00:42:55,759 --> 00:42:58,119
Speaker 3: happens at that time is because when saturin returns in

760
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: that time after you've been born, it's much heavier than

761
00:43:03,479 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: it's like it's almost like divinely done gone and said

762
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: check on with yourself.

763
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: Are you where you.

764
00:43:09,879 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: Want to be? Do you want to be doing what

765
00:43:11,879 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: you're doing? Are you actually and your purpose and your

766
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:16,639
Speaker 3: in the walk life?

767
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 2: Where you're going?

768
00:43:17,759 --> 00:43:22,519
Speaker 3: So that satin returns is actually a thing where between

769
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,639
Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine thirty I think is

770
00:43:25,759 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 3: the is the kind of ballpark there where you do

771
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,559
Speaker 3: kind of go I don't know, you could think about

772
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,079
Speaker 3: when you were around that age, was there a pivotal

773
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: time where you kind of made this juxtposion And the

774
00:43:36,799 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: majority of people will be like, yeah, I did.

775
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: And it's a beautiful reminder.

776
00:43:42,959 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: I think of just I mean looking, I mean kind

777
00:43:45,879 --> 00:43:50,199
Speaker 3: of segueing off this, but of looking and going ultimately

778
00:43:51,919 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: whatever and however all of us were created, there is

779
00:43:54,439 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 3: this dynamic where we all get this check in. But

780
00:43:58,479 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of what happened is I kind

781
00:44:00,359 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: of was like where am I going? What am I doing?

782
00:44:02,479 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: And you know, Renee Lee to be a mother that young,

783
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:07,599
Speaker 3: I mean I was twenty three.

784
00:44:08,279 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: How old were they your children?

785
00:44:09,959 --> 00:44:10,159
Speaker 3: Then?

786
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:11,119
Speaker 1: How old were they?

787
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 3: Renee and Liam were about five and seven at that

788
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:20,199
Speaker 3: time when I broke up?

789
00:44:20,759 --> 00:44:21,119
Speaker 1: Sorry?

790
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:25,999
Speaker 4: But was that for you to be where you were

791
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:31,519
Speaker 4: at your career and to have children that young, like

792
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 4: just to in the flow of things and your life

793
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,519
Speaker 4: and your marriage to a man you loved. The natural

794
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 4: extension of that for you was having children. But that

795
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 4: must have been shocking to other people in the modeling

796
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:49,519
Speaker 4: community or people who were managing your career or did

797
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:50,599
Speaker 4: they just go along with it?

798
00:44:50,959 --> 00:44:53,559
Speaker 3: No, I don't really, I don't really care about what

799
00:44:54,439 --> 00:44:59,159
Speaker 3: people faith like I was like this is you know,

800
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,199
Speaker 3: of course, for people who were close to me and

801
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,999
Speaker 3: spoke to me, you know, there was conversations, but ultimately,

802
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: I mean, it's my decision, right listen, two most important

803
00:45:12,439 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: people of Nane and Liam out of the whole thing.

804
00:45:15,439 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: And at the same time.

805
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: You you know, I had big questions for myself and

806
00:45:23,999 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: you know, now as the kids are older, they understand those.

807
00:45:27,919 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: And I had to take that chance to see where

808
00:45:30,399 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 3: I was kind of meeting myself, where I was meeting

809
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: myself at at that time in my life. And whether

810
00:45:35,759 --> 00:45:38,039
Speaker 3: that took me back to Rod or it didn't, I

811
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,039
Speaker 3: didn't know at that point, but I knew I had

812
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: to take that time to be able to make that choice,

813
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 3: and I had to take the risk of like of

814
00:45:45,999 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: that and you have to be brave sometimes, you know,

815
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,999
Speaker 3: But it was what it was. I mean, I can't

816
00:45:52,359 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: I've got an amazing family and I've got amazing step kids,

817
00:45:56,919 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 3: and you know, it all works out, you know, ultimately.

818
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:05,079
Speaker 4: Well, you know, that's an interesting thing because through the

819
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 4: years it's just been a kind of running narrative that

820
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:14,639
Speaker 4: either Rod or you or his wife now Penny or

821
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 4: whatever are very good at harmony, which is not always

822
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:21,679
Speaker 4: the case. Yeah, so that there seems to be a

823
00:46:21,799 --> 00:46:23,599
Speaker 4: vibe of a big extended family.

824
00:46:24,759 --> 00:46:27,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there just as I mean, I mean,

825
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: hopefully we've we create that evolution in all of ourselves,

826
00:46:30,959 --> 00:46:33,199
Speaker 3: now right, I mean there just has to be in

827
00:46:33,319 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 3: some ways, you know, otherwise.

828
00:46:36,399 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: Yes, But look, often there's a tendency.

829
00:46:39,879 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: Depending on circumstances. It all depends on circumstances. It all

830
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:47,199
Speaker 3: depends on circumstance, though, I mean, there was a it

831
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,559
Speaker 3: was I was you know that it depends on circumstances

832
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: for everybody.

833
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,479
Speaker 4: So when you've had this epiphany that or this this

834
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,199
Speaker 4: magnetic draw to the world that you need more of

835
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,119
Speaker 4: the world or to see who Rachel Hunter is in

836
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 4: the world, what what was the manifestation of that from

837
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 4: that point? So when you've you've left your marriage, but

838
00:47:12,919 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: you have your two children, how did the world look

839
00:47:16,399 --> 00:47:19,039
Speaker 4: for you at that point and how did it look different?

840
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: It was Look, it's you know, when I look back

841
00:47:26,279 --> 00:47:28,599
Speaker 3: at it. I'm like, going, God, you had a lot

842
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:34,639
Speaker 3: of guts to do that. You know. It was it was,

843
00:47:34,799 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, we went I went off and you know,

844
00:47:37,479 --> 00:47:41,599
Speaker 3: I mean my work continued and that was up and down,

845
00:47:41,759 --> 00:47:45,679
Speaker 3: and you know, to me, it was just creating a

846
00:47:45,759 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 3: home in something beautiful for obviously Renee and Liam, and

847
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: then navigating that through the you know, through what it

848
00:47:54,839 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 3: is to be a parent and a single parent and

849
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: working through that.

850
00:48:00,399 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: But you just do it.

851
00:48:02,399 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, there's, like I said, circumstance I left.

852
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: We were fine, you know what I mean, Like I left,

853
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: so I keep the consequences of this and so do

854
00:48:13,959 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 3: you know, so.

855
00:48:14,399 --> 00:48:15,039
Speaker 2: Did it whatever.

856
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,639
Speaker 3: But I can't speak about what he thought or whatever,

857
00:48:17,919 --> 00:48:20,119
Speaker 3: but I can speak about how I did.

858
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 2: So I had to get.

859
00:48:22,279 --> 00:48:26,559
Speaker 3: On and move what I needed to do, and I

860
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,999
Speaker 3: created a home. I created work. I sometimes had to

861
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,559
Speaker 3: leave the kids to go and work. You know, they

862
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: had a beautiful relationship with their dad.

863
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: You know.

864
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,519
Speaker 2: It was it was you do what you've got to do.

865
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: Was home at this point was home.

866
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:41,599
Speaker 2: La always la?

867
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 3: Yeah?

868
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

869
00:48:42,999 --> 00:48:46,519
Speaker 4: And then how connected were they with the New Zealand

870
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: part of you.

871
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:53,079
Speaker 3: I would go home every literally every year or every

872
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:56,559
Speaker 3: probably twice a year, once a year or twice a year.

873
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,679
Speaker 3: I would always come home and bring the kids back

874
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:02,679
Speaker 3: home as well. Yeah, so I've always been connected to home.

875
00:49:02,999 --> 00:49:05,679
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's only twelve hours from Los Angeles.

876
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: And yes, you know, Australians and New Zealanders are so

877
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:14,159
Speaker 3: used to leaving like we're good travelers. So yeah, it

878
00:49:14,279 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 3: wasn't hard. Yeah.

879
00:49:18,999 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: Coming up next, Rachel shares the advice her mother gave

880
00:49:23,319 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: her before she passed and how it changed the way

881
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: Rachel lives her life. I'm curious about this unfolding of

882
00:49:34,799 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 4: yourself in the world. You described your mum as metaphysical,

883
00:49:38,479 --> 00:49:42,079
Speaker 4: which I love that as a description. At this point,

884
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,559
Speaker 4: are you connecting more with that side of yourself even

885
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 4: though you're still very much immersed in that more physical

886
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 4: world of modeling.

887
00:49:50,999 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Abden flowed all the way throughout my life.

888
00:49:54,799 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: So I was very very religious when I was younger,

889
00:49:57,919 --> 00:50:03,039
Speaker 3: got baptized in front of the church, you know, speaking

890
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: in tongues.

891
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,599
Speaker 1: Oh really was it Pentecostal?

892
00:50:06,839 --> 00:50:07,039
Speaker 3: You know?

893
00:50:07,479 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: Oh all of it? Oh yeah, really? Yeah, like the

894
00:50:10,359 --> 00:50:10,999
Speaker 2: whole thing.

895
00:50:11,999 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: And because when people say, especially when I'm you know,

896
00:50:15,439 --> 00:50:17,639
Speaker 3: talking about indeed, like people go, I hope you see Jesus.

897
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 3: I'm like I have, I've been with raw but and

898
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: you know I I so I would dip in announce.

899
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,079
Speaker 3: And then I went and studied with a white witch

900
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: in Salem, Massachusetts, who was amazing, who was very pagan.

901
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,159
Speaker 3: My mom was very kind of pagan. My mom, you know,

902
00:50:40,279 --> 00:50:43,159
Speaker 3: after she died, I found like all these to cards.

903
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 3: She would have all these motions, like motions and potions.

904
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:49,679
Speaker 3: She had all these potions and she used to be

905
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: an incredible artist and she would draw.

906
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 2: Aliens to you name it.

907
00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: We have touched on it more or less. Nothing dark

908
00:50:58,879 --> 00:51:01,519
Speaker 3: or anything, but I mean some people could, depending on

909
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 3: their religion, called something dark, but you know it was.

910
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,199
Speaker 2: It was so incredible.

911
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: Like I know, so many people find you know, my

912
00:51:12,399 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 3: marriage and everything interesting, but I just I love the

913
00:51:15,479 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: metaphysical world because there's so many entry points into this,

914
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 3: whether it's religion, whether it's spirituality, whether it's any of

915
00:51:22,919 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 3: these things. Because there's this beautiful, intuitive, energetic side to

916
00:51:27,999 --> 00:51:31,119
Speaker 3: us that is just waiting to be explored and helps

917
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: make these decisions and all this kind of stuff. So

918
00:51:34,479 --> 00:51:38,559
Speaker 3: there is that kind of very human side where off form,

919
00:51:39,439 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 3: you know, and what is that internal world?

920
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: What is our inner world as such?

921
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: And it's going to be different for everybody, so there's

922
00:51:46,759 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: no fight of which is.

923
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: Wrong or right. But I loved how my mum.

924
00:51:50,399 --> 00:51:55,519
Speaker 3: Just just dove into kind of whatever offered she kind

925
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 3: of saw or ever knocked on her door, like when

926
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,039
Speaker 3: she was when she invited the Mormon zone when they

927
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,079
Speaker 3: were going around doing their Yeah, she would say, come

928
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 3: in for dinner, and we would have dinner and we

929
00:52:07,919 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: would have these two men sitting at the table, like

930
00:52:11,879 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 3: she just one year she decided, right, we're all going

931
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: off sugar. You know, you girls are you know, going

932
00:52:18,359 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 3: to have carab for chocolate. You guys are going to

933
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: have honey instead of sugar. But we just she was magic.

934
00:52:25,479 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: She was like living with Like it's like practical magic. Right,

935
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:32,519
Speaker 3: you're living with this woman who's magical. But at the

936
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: same time she was late that at home. But when

937
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: she died, I asked her what she regretted, and she said,

938
00:52:38,399 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: I regret not fully being who I am.

939
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:46,679
Speaker 2: Right, this was a heavotal, yes, heavital conversation that we had.

940
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 4: I heard you say that to your castmates in the jungle,

941
00:52:51,959 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: when you shared that with them. That's a really profound

942
00:52:57,879 --> 00:53:02,039
Speaker 4: thing for someone to say that they regretted, Yeah, not

943
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,119
Speaker 4: having been more themselves.

944
00:53:04,919 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and honestly, how much do we all care about

945
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: what people think of us and why we're doing things?

946
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,679
Speaker 4: When she said that to you, was were you having

947
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 4: a moment together? Was it bedside? Was it literally she

948
00:53:20,879 --> 00:53:23,119
Speaker 4: was about to leave the earthly realm?

949
00:53:24,919 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: Because that's a she actually gave you a gift.

950
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:30,679
Speaker 2: Yes, so she was three rigged away.

951
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,039
Speaker 3: Listen when you're kind of sorry, I don't mean to

952
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,079
Speaker 3: say listen, but it's just my form of speech.

953
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:41,039
Speaker 4: But you know, when you're going, I'm listening, I know.

954
00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't mean to say listen, but

955
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:47,119
Speaker 3: you know, it's just the way I'm kind of she like,

956
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 3: I remember going to doctor's appointments and we just it happened.

957
00:53:50,479 --> 00:53:53,039
Speaker 3: All this happened quite quickly, within fifteen months. I know,

958
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:56,639
Speaker 3: not that quickly for some people who don't have gone

959
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,599
Speaker 3: through this process. But I remember coming across, you know,

960
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 3: going to one of her doctor's appointments, and I was like,

961
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: can you just tell me? Is she going to die?

962
00:54:04,279 --> 00:54:09,639
Speaker 3: Some like I need to please give me something? And

963
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,159
Speaker 3: even the doctor was had tears in her eyes and

964
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: she's like, it's not long. And I had to break

965
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 3: I told them to go to the bathroom when I

966
00:54:17,799 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 3: asked the doctor this, and when she came back, I

967
00:54:20,999 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to have to tell her this,

968
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,039
Speaker 3: like I and she remember I was driving across the bridge.

969
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: I was driving across the bridge bridge in Auck, London.

970
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 3: I said, Mom, this, you know, had I had to

971
00:54:33,399 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: tell her and she was like, Rachel, you're always being

972
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 3: so truthful.

973
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:38,119
Speaker 2: She goes, I know.

974
00:54:38,879 --> 00:54:42,079
Speaker 3: And so these conversations happened, and one time I was

975
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: in bed with her and I said, Mom, what do

976
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: you regret? And she goes and that's when she said,

977
00:54:46,759 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 3: I regret not being fully who I am and she goes,

978
00:54:50,879 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 3: I wish I'd had the long cigarette, you know, on

979
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 3: the thing and not telling everybody out there to smoke.

980
00:54:57,999 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: Either is or I'm just saying what she.

981
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: Was and was it experiences or.

982
00:55:04,879 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 3: You know, listen, she did. She did have her moments

983
00:55:07,759 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 3: in her life, but it was more some of us

984
00:55:11,999 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 3: try and hide who we truly are because we want

985
00:55:16,919 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: to be appreciated by or be accepted by our surrounding

986
00:55:21,279 --> 00:55:22,679
Speaker 3: mates or whatever.

987
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:25,639
Speaker 2: Or she said, because I know.

988
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 3: She was talking about the spirituality, right, she was talking

989
00:55:28,759 --> 00:55:34,079
Speaker 3: about spirituality, and I was like that, Mum, you were

990
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,119
Speaker 3: never not who you were. But I understand what you're

991
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: saying because we all saw your how you were spiritually.

992
00:55:41,319 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: But she goes, I just wish I was that. She

993
00:55:43,879 --> 00:55:46,639
Speaker 3: wanted to be the eccentric one, you know, the eccentric

994
00:55:46,879 --> 00:55:50,119
Speaker 3: person because she was also the artist. She wanted to

995
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,599
Speaker 3: put on her kimono, and she eventually did in the end,

996
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,199
Speaker 3: but she's like, why didn't I do that my whole life,

997
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 3: you know, because that's who she was. But again she

998
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: had many different lives too, Like she was a photographer,

999
00:56:02,479 --> 00:56:05,639
Speaker 3: she was an artist, she was all these things, but

1000
00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:08,599
Speaker 3: that one thing and I don't know whether it was

1001
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,559
Speaker 3: what it was, but it hit me so hard of

1002
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:17,519
Speaker 3: like it and it came down to she somewhere along

1003
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:20,039
Speaker 3: the line, she cared too much of what other people

1004
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,599
Speaker 3: thought and judged her, and it's time not to do that.

1005
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,639
Speaker 3: And that's after she passed away. I was like, I'm

1006
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 3: going to India to move through this grief. I don't

1007
00:56:31,479 --> 00:56:33,479
Speaker 3: know why. I mean, I've been to India for to

1008
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 3: her beauty, but I was like, I have to go

1009
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: move this grief through my body.

1010
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: And went to India.

1011
00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:44,679
Speaker 3: But what a what a powerful message to say, Like

1012
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:45,559
Speaker 3: you said.

1013
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:49,519
Speaker 1: Well, it was like throughout your whole life she had

1014
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:50,119
Speaker 1: given you.

1015
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 4: The gifts, mainly the gift of feeling free to travel

1016
00:56:55,879 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 4: through the world and experience things always. Yeah, that maybe

1017
00:57:00,759 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 4: she had not had for herself.

1018
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:04,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely tried.

1019
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:07,559
Speaker 3: She was well, not so much that I know what

1020
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: you mean by in her own version of what that was,

1021
00:57:10,399 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: but she definitely traveled, and she definitely she was definitely

1022
00:57:14,959 --> 00:57:17,559
Speaker 3: part of like the New Zealand Psychic Board, Like she

1023
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:18,719
Speaker 3: was very, very psychic.

1024
00:57:18,959 --> 00:57:20,719
Speaker 2: She was very she was all these things.

1025
00:57:20,759 --> 00:57:26,559
Speaker 3: And it's it's gone back generations, right and through generations,

1026
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,759
Speaker 3: through different Yeah, my great grandfather, my grandmother, all of them.

1027
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:38,199
Speaker 3: So in spirituality kind of is a very touchy point

1028
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 3: with you know, I mean, because all of us think

1029
00:57:41,999 --> 00:57:43,039
Speaker 3: of things so differently.

1030
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,279
Speaker 1: Yes, and it tends to be deeply held.

1031
00:57:46,439 --> 00:57:50,679
Speaker 4: It's either really deeply held by people or people try

1032
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,039
Speaker 4: and keep it at arm's lengths because they can't deal

1033
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:53,719
Speaker 4: with it at all.

1034
00:57:54,479 --> 00:57:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1035
00:57:55,279 --> 00:57:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, And at that point I knew when I was

1036
00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:02,159
Speaker 3: in India and I was going through my yoga training

1037
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:04,519
Speaker 3: there because I was like, I have to just do yoga,

1038
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 3: because I'd been doing yoga for twelve years at that point,

1039
00:58:07,919 --> 00:58:09,239
Speaker 3: and I was like, I have to just go and

1040
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:09,839
Speaker 3: understand you.

1041
00:58:09,919 --> 00:58:12,159
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I just ended up there.

1042
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:16,119
Speaker 3: I googled the place, went there, and I wanted to

1043
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:18,639
Speaker 3: bolt like ten thousand times. I was like, I have

1044
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,119
Speaker 3: to leave this place late. This is weird. I felt

1045
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:27,159
Speaker 3: so uncomfortable, and see all the other stuff flowed, but

1046
00:58:27,319 --> 00:58:31,879
Speaker 3: this felt uncomfortable. This felt like, you know, like cheese

1047
00:58:31,919 --> 00:58:36,239
Speaker 3: greater inside. This felt comfortable, but I knew I had

1048
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 3: to stay.

1049
00:58:37,479 --> 00:58:40,159
Speaker 4: Was it the physical yoga? I mean it's the same thing,

1050
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:40,719
Speaker 4: but was.

1051
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:42,079
Speaker 2: It physical physical?

1052
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:47,319
Speaker 3: But it was that it was creating that shift inside.

1053
00:58:47,399 --> 00:58:50,839
Speaker 3: That was that agitation of staying somewhere long enough because

1054
00:58:50,839 --> 00:58:53,279
Speaker 3: it's a twenty one day course, so staying and moving

1055
00:58:53,319 --> 00:58:57,239
Speaker 3: through those so many times I actually wanted to bolt

1056
00:58:57,319 --> 00:59:01,599
Speaker 3: out of there. And then I returned again to a

1057
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 3: month later, I returned into another course, and all the

1058
00:59:05,479 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 3: stuff rose again. And then I found out that the

1059
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:11,839
Speaker 3: media had somehow found out I was in Indiana and

1060
00:59:11,879 --> 00:59:14,559
Speaker 3: I was doing these yoga courses, and I thought, oh

1061
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:18,199
Speaker 3: my god, everyone's going to think I'm weird. There's my mother.

1062
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,759
Speaker 3: Everyone's going to think I'm weird. And my teacher ended

1063
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:24,719
Speaker 3: up turning around to me and said, you've got two choices.

1064
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:28,319
Speaker 3: Either you leave or you don't keep passing this on

1065
00:59:28,479 --> 00:59:31,759
Speaker 3: through your generations and changed this. And so I stayed,

1066
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:36,279
Speaker 3: and I stayed, and I stayed, and I ended up

1067
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:39,759
Speaker 3: coming back to New Zealand and doing tours around New

1068
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:44,079
Speaker 3: Zealand talking about meditation, breath work, exactly what my mother said, like,

1069
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,199
Speaker 3: be who you are, don't be shameful, don't be shamed

1070
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:50,079
Speaker 3: about spirituality, don't be shamed about whatever you want. If

1071
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 3: you want to pick up tenatorial cards, if you want

1072
00:59:52,439 --> 00:59:55,159
Speaker 3: to go to a psychic, if you want to whatever.

1073
00:59:54,839 --> 00:59:57,399
Speaker 2: You want to do, just do it. I don't even care.

1074
00:59:57,399 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 3: If it was like I want to become a pottery

1075
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, and people showed up to it

1076
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,599
Speaker 3: and started showing up, and that was twenty eighteen. Yeah,

1077
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:10,759
Speaker 3: and so then it just kind of went from there.

1078
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:16,159
Speaker 4: And then so your decision to come to the Jungle Show,

1079
01:00:17,439 --> 01:00:20,519
Speaker 4: what was that process and what was that born from?

1080
01:00:21,479 --> 01:00:22,039
Speaker 2: That? Was?

1081
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't done anything really on TV for some time. Yes,

1082
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:29,759
Speaker 3: And also I was like where am I at like

1083
01:00:30,399 --> 01:00:33,879
Speaker 3: as far as Rachel is and do I you know,

1084
01:00:33,919 --> 01:00:35,959
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, I don't want to do celebrity.

1085
01:00:35,959 --> 01:00:37,879
Speaker 3: Get me out of here, like you know this and that,

1086
01:00:37,959 --> 01:00:41,879
Speaker 3: and there's you know, some people do it, some people

1087
01:00:41,919 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 3: don't do it. Depending on where they are, they create

1088
01:00:43,959 --> 01:00:47,079
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah, ego, ego, ego, ego. And

1089
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,359
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm at this place

1090
01:00:49,399 --> 01:00:53,799
Speaker 3: where I just want to go and just blossom and

1091
01:00:54,359 --> 01:00:59,999
Speaker 3: meet people and share who I am now, like whatever.

1092
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,639
Speaker 3: And of course obviously there's the charity concept in there,

1093
01:01:03,439 --> 01:01:05,519
Speaker 3: of course, which is the number one thing. But at

1094
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,719
Speaker 3: the same time you can like yees, so I just

1095
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:09,639
Speaker 3: I said yes to.

1096
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:11,239
Speaker 2: It this time. I was just like yes.

1097
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:15,879
Speaker 3: And it's I think the Australian version such a great

1098
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:19,759
Speaker 3: version of it because it does have this quality about

1099
01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:23,559
Speaker 3: it that is a little bit less, has that little

1100
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,519
Speaker 3: bit less of that kind of gossip. You know.

1101
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,599
Speaker 2: It's just it's a nice it's a nice stories. Yes

1102
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:29,759
Speaker 2: what I can say about that.

1103
01:01:29,919 --> 01:01:33,599
Speaker 4: It's more it kind of lends itself to harmony and

1104
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:37,079
Speaker 4: people finding the beauty in each other individually and as

1105
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:40,679
Speaker 4: a group. Whereas the English one I think is much

1106
01:01:40,759 --> 01:01:42,199
Speaker 4: more competitive.

1107
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think bottom line is like, yeah, we

1108
01:01:46,839 --> 01:01:49,199
Speaker 3: go into celebrities and everybody has this bitch of mon

1109
01:01:49,319 --> 01:01:50,519
Speaker 3: on Instagram.

1110
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,199
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know that one. I don't know that person.

1111
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:53,079
Speaker 2: Why is that person that?

1112
01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 3: Ultimately, you know what we're breaking down here, people, is

1113
01:01:56,039 --> 01:02:00,999
Speaker 3: we're showing that everyone's human being everyone, no matter where

1114
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:03,159
Speaker 3: you are, what you do, all the rest of it.

1115
01:02:03,319 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 3: We're all going through a process and we're all trying

1116
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:09,999
Speaker 3: to you know, ultimately, that's it. And I know this

1117
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:13,199
Speaker 3: privilege here, and I know there's money certain things, and

1118
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:15,599
Speaker 3: there's you know that some people haven't this money. Some

1119
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:18,279
Speaker 3: people are as easier of your famous said all the

1120
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:21,519
Speaker 3: talk and talk, but actually just walk the walk and

1121
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:26,519
Speaker 3: just walk it do you and have that like and

1122
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:30,039
Speaker 3: make those choices. But ultimately we're all human. What all

1123
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,799
Speaker 3: of us shows that human side.

1124
01:02:31,919 --> 01:02:34,999
Speaker 4: Well, when you say human side, because you were very

1125
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,839
Speaker 4: lovely in the jungle and you kind of had a

1126
01:02:37,879 --> 01:02:40,679
Speaker 4: den mother vibe. And when I say mother, I just

1127
01:02:40,759 --> 01:02:44,759
Speaker 4: mean in that feminine sort of no nurturing energy, right,

1128
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:48,079
Speaker 4: but then when you got nominated, you really did not

1129
01:02:48,439 --> 01:02:48,759
Speaker 4: like it.

1130
01:02:48,879 --> 01:02:52,159
Speaker 3: So there's no doubt I have a competitive side. I

1131
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:54,279
Speaker 3: couldn't have lasted. I don't think there's and I'm not

1132
01:02:54,359 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 3: ashamed of it, like I mean, you know, and ultimately

1133
01:02:58,279 --> 01:02:58,879
Speaker 3: it hurts.

1134
01:02:58,879 --> 01:03:02,359
Speaker 4: You just made friends, yes, and that's the process that

1135
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:05,679
Speaker 4: you know it's necessary, but it doesn't mean that it's

1136
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:06,999
Speaker 4: still not like what.

1137
01:03:08,839 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 1: I know, you're.

1138
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:14,599
Speaker 3: Hurt, like Rebecca love Mia or all of them, all

1139
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,199
Speaker 3: of them, we made friends and that's the thing, Like,

1140
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:20,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I know people have some ideas, but what

1141
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:24,759
Speaker 3: I hope is like Sorel, I loved like she was.

1142
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:28,159
Speaker 3: She was in the elephant graveyard for three days, but

1143
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:31,399
Speaker 3: the moment she came into camp, we all had dinner there.

1144
01:03:31,959 --> 01:03:34,159
Speaker 3: She was not the first one to go, hey, I

1145
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:36,399
Speaker 3: haven't eaten them three days. Can I go first? She

1146
01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:39,359
Speaker 3: never pulled one stop like that, and she says, how

1147
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:44,559
Speaker 3: it is she's actually I yeah, every single person had this.

1148
01:03:45,799 --> 01:03:48,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, I got fiery at the end because what

1149
01:03:48,879 --> 01:03:51,239
Speaker 3: I saw was an alliance starting to happen. Because I

1150
01:03:51,319 --> 01:03:53,999
Speaker 3: knew once we were going to be petted against each other.

1151
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 3: I was like, this is an alliance and this can

1152
01:03:56,519 --> 01:04:01,039
Speaker 3: get really ugly fast, you know, because whether you say, oh,

1153
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:02,519
Speaker 3: I'm doing it because you are the one.

1154
01:04:02,399 --> 01:04:04,799
Speaker 2: Who can do the trial or because you can cope.

1155
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:11,199
Speaker 3: And emotionally, Dad, you've just created this, like these friendships

1156
01:04:11,279 --> 01:04:14,639
Speaker 3: and you're like what why Yes, so again it shows

1157
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:18,319
Speaker 3: that that human side. And if I'd stayed in, who's

1158
01:04:18,359 --> 01:04:21,119
Speaker 3: to say what what would have come out at that point?

1159
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:23,759
Speaker 2: I think I would have been a little bit more.

1160
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I'm not very good at alliance,

1161
01:04:26,959 --> 01:04:28,079
Speaker 3: as I kind of say no.

1162
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:31,279
Speaker 4: But part of so what you got from it was

1163
01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:32,639
Speaker 4: exactly what you wanted.

1164
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

1165
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:41,159
Speaker 4: Like to both see yourself in it clearly and to

1166
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:47,079
Speaker 4: allow yourself to be seen, which is liberating. And of course,

1167
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:50,199
Speaker 4: because you're human, everything that you're presenting is not always

1168
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:51,239
Speaker 4: going to be sanitized.

1169
01:04:51,279 --> 01:04:53,759
Speaker 1: And your best angle and you're very good at angles.

1170
01:04:53,879 --> 01:04:54,679
Speaker 1: You know.

1171
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,879
Speaker 2: I looked back and I was like, oh my god,

1172
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,799
Speaker 2: Like the light was so bad. But you know, but.

1173
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:04,799
Speaker 3: You're right, you just go it's it's it's it's a

1174
01:05:04,879 --> 01:05:12,319
Speaker 3: really insanely humbling experience.

1175
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you think of it now and you've just

1176
01:05:17,759 --> 01:05:19,559
Speaker 4: come back from a retreat. By the way, we have

1177
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,959
Speaker 4: to tell no filter listeners this, which is why we've

1178
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:28,119
Speaker 4: probably really gone deep on the spiritual aspect of things.

1179
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:33,119
Speaker 4: But when you reflect back on your time safe in

1180
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:38,119
Speaker 4: the jungle or the steps that lead you there, what

1181
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:42,599
Speaker 4: would you pass on to your children like your mother's

1182
01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:44,039
Speaker 4: parting gift was to you.

1183
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:54,679
Speaker 3: I honestly would continue to say what she said because

1184
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 3: I really think it's a very dense, deep thing and

1185
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:05,519
Speaker 3: about caring what other people think. I think there's a

1186
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:08,199
Speaker 3: lot of that, Like there's a part of us obviously

1187
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:13,719
Speaker 3: that you're you're I'm not saying don't be empathetic towards people,

1188
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:21,679
Speaker 3: but I'm talking about like really allowing the strong, like

1189
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:27,599
Speaker 3: that's that part of you that is you, and never

1190
01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:32,199
Speaker 3: apologizing for you, you know, in the same way as

1191
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:36,799
Speaker 3: she as she said, because I think we're still moving

1192
01:06:36,919 --> 01:06:42,079
Speaker 3: through caring because society's built that way correct, like in

1193
01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:44,199
Speaker 3: some ways, So I guess it isn't asn't.

1194
01:06:45,439 --> 01:06:47,719
Speaker 2: I think we're getting better at it. I really do.

1195
01:06:47,799 --> 01:06:51,079
Speaker 3: I think we're getting that beautiful, strong, not in your

1196
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,759
Speaker 3: face kept I didn't care what you think about me, Da, Da,

1197
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 3: And yeah, there's still I'm trying to figure out the

1198
01:07:00,479 --> 01:07:03,599
Speaker 3: best way to say this is we call it, like,

1199
01:07:03,959 --> 01:07:06,639
Speaker 3: you know, like the truth of who, like the truth

1200
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:11,039
Speaker 3: of who you are is hard. It's hard to stay

1201
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:15,039
Speaker 3: in that state because obviously we flucture. I'm not saying

1202
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,879
Speaker 3: that other people aren't true to who they are, but

1203
01:07:17,959 --> 01:07:20,519
Speaker 3: we do adjust and adjustments. Of course, we have to

1204
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:23,839
Speaker 3: make adjustments because there is things that you know, we

1205
01:07:23,959 --> 01:07:24,759
Speaker 3: have to do.

1206
01:07:24,879 --> 01:07:27,399
Speaker 2: But I think when.

1207
01:07:28,919 --> 01:07:32,159
Speaker 3: There's that sense of control, like there's a lot, I mean,

1208
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:33,959
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on in the world right now,

1209
01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 3: the sense of being controlled. There's a control aspect. There's

1210
01:07:38,879 --> 01:07:41,799
Speaker 3: freedom of speech. Are we allow freedom of speech because

1211
01:07:41,799 --> 01:07:44,399
Speaker 3: then there's repercussions of that, and there's this, and there's that.

1212
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 3: So I think moving through these times is to stay

1213
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:54,319
Speaker 3: true to who you are. But also I would say

1214
01:07:54,359 --> 01:07:57,279
Speaker 3: the one thing, you know how people kind of tend

1215
01:07:57,279 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 3: to go back and blame the generation before because they

1216
01:08:00,919 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 3: did this and that wasn't appropriate and da da dah.

1217
01:08:03,999 --> 01:08:08,039
Speaker 3: Get off those high horses. We have the phones, we're

1218
01:08:08,279 --> 01:08:10,719
Speaker 3: zoned in on this so many hours a day. Go

1219
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 3: out and see nature because I mean the deterioration of

1220
01:08:16,519 --> 01:08:18,839
Speaker 3: nature too, you know, and you know.

1221
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: I am the beauty of it. It's restorative as well.

1222
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:28,839
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, are you are you in love with anybody

1223
01:08:28,999 --> 01:08:30,399
Speaker 4: or is anybody in love with you.

1224
01:08:30,639 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 3: I'd actually have to really think about that question. By

1225
01:08:33,559 --> 01:08:38,039
Speaker 3: the way, Love, I am in this great place in

1226
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:42,119
Speaker 3: my life where I have had beautiful boyfriends, I have

1227
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:47,239
Speaker 3: had great husband, I've had two beautiful children. I am

1228
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: through menopause the other end, and I have incredible freedom

1229
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: and can do whatever I want when I want to

1230
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,999
Speaker 3: do it. And I love I absolutely adore and love men.

1231
01:08:58,639 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 3: But I am just in my flow state. I'm loving it.

1232
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:07,199
Speaker 3: There's certain points and menopause where you know.

1233
01:09:07,799 --> 01:09:10,319
Speaker 1: I heard you say in your podet life becomes.

1234
01:09:09,959 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 2: A different thing.

1235
01:09:10,999 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 3: Love, Yes, love becomes a different at a different place,

1236
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 3: and it may not be overly sexually driven or any

1237
01:09:18,639 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 3: of things.

1238
01:09:18,879 --> 01:09:20,119
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just say it how it is.

1239
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:24,079
Speaker 3: And I am wanting to show up in a completely

1240
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:27,239
Speaker 3: different way. And it's still to be sensual, still, to

1241
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:32,239
Speaker 3: be attractive, still, to be you know, had energy still

1242
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 3: all these things and if someone comes into my life, great,

1243
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 3: But I still I've never.

1244
01:09:37,599 --> 01:09:41,959
Speaker 2: Felt so much energy. I am lucky I didn't.

1245
01:09:42,519 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 3: I actually dropped sugar and bread. That was what I

1246
01:09:46,759 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 3: kind of did through my menopause. But I think still

1247
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 3: to have that kind of I call it like the

1248
01:09:51,559 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 3: moisteness or the or the juice, the moist a female

1249
01:09:56,839 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 3: and the juiciness of being a female and not too dry,

1250
01:10:00,759 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 3: but not saying oh, I'm no longer with you, know. No,

1251
01:10:04,999 --> 01:10:08,279
Speaker 3: I adore men. I respect them, I love their viewpoints.

1252
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,199
Speaker 3: I love being around men. At the same time, is

1253
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,199
Speaker 3: it a different place in my life. Absolutely, I have

1254
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: more of this boundless love for everything rather than just

1255
01:10:18,599 --> 01:10:22,159
Speaker 3: one isolated idea. I'm not talking about loads of men.

1256
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,159
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about in general.

1257
01:10:24,959 --> 01:10:26,959
Speaker 1: The headline.

1258
01:10:28,879 --> 01:10:33,159
Speaker 3: I haven't been in a relationship at all for god

1259
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:35,319
Speaker 3: well ten years.

1260
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 2: No, since twenty ten.

1261
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:38,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fifteen.

1262
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:40,999
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you know.

1263
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 4: I find that interesting because you said in the Jungle,

1264
01:10:45,759 --> 01:10:50,839
Speaker 4: I think when maybe Barry Brady was asking you about

1265
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:53,999
Speaker 4: that period of your life or whatever, when you met

1266
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 4: Rod Stewart that had those heavy days or whatever, and

1267
01:10:56,839 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 4: you said it was really interesting, I kind of felt

1268
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:04,199
Speaker 4: like a chameleon on a rock. Do you remember saying

1269
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 4: that I felt like the chameleon on the rock? Yes,

1270
01:11:06,879 --> 01:11:10,919
Speaker 4: and I love that. But then I also thought, get,

1271
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:14,279
Speaker 4: I get your analogy, except the whole point of the

1272
01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:19,839
Speaker 4: chameleon is that the chameleon is not seen, whereas you

1273
01:11:20,599 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 4: have always been so seen.

1274
01:11:23,999 --> 01:11:24,999
Speaker 1: That's interesting.

1275
01:11:27,719 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: I probably want to be the chameleon.

1276
01:11:30,599 --> 01:11:33,879
Speaker 4: Well, just that that you thought that you were blending

1277
01:11:33,919 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 4: in so seamlessly with this world. But your Rachel Hunter,

1278
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:42,239
Speaker 4: we see you, we see you, you know?

1279
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:45,919
Speaker 3: Is that funny because that's the same thing as I

1280
01:11:45,959 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: thought of my mum. I'm like, you don't think you're spiritual.

1281
01:11:48,559 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 3: I think everyone consume your spiritual. Yeah, it's the same thing, right,

1282
01:11:53,839 --> 01:11:58,079
Speaker 3: Like we don't see who we are because we're we're

1283
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:01,279
Speaker 3: so stuck to wan to like elevate to the norms,

1284
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 3: like be humble, be this, be that. I guess, Yeah,

1285
01:12:05,639 --> 01:12:08,839
Speaker 3: you're right, maybe I'm not really a chameleon.

1286
01:12:11,599 --> 01:12:16,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you take Maybe you're not supermodel, super guru,

1287
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:21,359
Speaker 4: super yogi, supermum Rachel Hunter.

1288
01:12:22,879 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 1: I really want to go on one of your retreats.

1289
01:12:24,919 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 1: I think, Oh you've.

1290
01:12:28,839 --> 01:12:29,919
Speaker 2: Come any time.

1291
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for sharing yourself with us.

1292
01:12:34,839 --> 01:12:36,159
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.

1293
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:37,879
Speaker 1: You're just a delight.

1294
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 3: Oh well you're a brilliant, amazing what you're able to

1295
01:12:42,799 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 3: get out of people, Because I think I just love

1296
01:12:44,839 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 3: the way that you interview and stuff.

1297
01:12:46,799 --> 01:12:48,919
Speaker 2: I haven't felt that in a long long time, So

1298
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 2: thank you.

1299
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 4: It's communion, isn't it Yeah? Rachel Hunter was and is

1300
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:02,239
Speaker 4: one of a rare group of women who defined an era,

1301
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 4: and what makes her story so compared telling is not

1302
01:13:05,879 --> 01:13:09,199
Speaker 4: just what she achieved, but how she's.

1303
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:11,279
Speaker 1: Continued to evolve beyond it.

1304
01:13:11,959 --> 01:13:15,319
Speaker 4: Today, her life looks very different to the one she

1305
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 4: lived at the height of the supermodel years. It's quieter,

1306
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Speaker 4: more grounded, and guided by intuition rather than expectation. As

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Speaker 4: she told us, one of the most profound turning points

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Speaker 4: came in the final advice her mother shared with her

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Speaker 4: before she died, to stop worrying about what others think

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Speaker 4: and to fully be herself, a parting gift that continues

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Speaker 4: to shape the life she's building now. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 4: to No Filter. The executive producer of No Filter is

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Speaker 4: Bree Player. Audio production is by Jacob Brown, and video

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Speaker 4: editing is by Josh Green. This episode was recorded at

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Speaker 4: Session in Progress Studios and I'm your host Kate Lanebrook.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you next Monday for another treat.

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Speaker 4: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and

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Speaker 4: waters that this podcast is recorded on