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Speaker 3: Welcome to the sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 3: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 3: Welcome to September, Lovely yighborhood. You made it through winter.

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Speaker 3: Christina Castylis and her pilot partner John Tilley packed up

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Speaker 3: Perhaps your new season might not bring about a change

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Speaker 3: Christina, Welcome to CZA.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Sarah, thanks so much for having me. Oh, it

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Speaker 3: And you were just saying offline how you listen to

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Speaker 3: so many people who might give up just before the

442
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Speaker 3: time that was going to be there one Like if

443
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Speaker 3: you had left before Melbourne, you would never have known

444
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Speaker 3: that that was going to be what it turned out

445
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Speaker 3: to be. So I think you know, the message there

446
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: for anyone is if you're going through a shittier chapter

447
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 3: like hang in there, you know you might have to

448
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: try a couple of different workplaces or a couple of

449
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 3: different chapters to get to the one that you can

450
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Speaker 3: really flourish in. And I'm so glad you got to

451
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Speaker 3: do that because obviously how many years did you do

452
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Speaker 3: it in Melbourne? Was that the seven years.

453
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Speaker 1: Oh no, that was Actually I was done in Melbourne

454
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Speaker 1: for around three years, so I think I was reporting

455
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Speaker 1: for about eleven years altogether, from twenty to thirty thirty one.

456
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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, okay.

457
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Speaker 3: Well another barrier that I know, because we spoke about

458
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Speaker 3: this before we started recording, is even when you love

459
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Speaker 3: your job, and even when you've done it for you know,

460
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Speaker 3: by the time you got to Melbourne, what like seven years,

461
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Speaker 3: By then you get really nervous, right, Like, there's lots

462
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: of things that make going to work hard, But when

463
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Speaker 3: you're doing live crosses, like the self doubt is high,

464
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Speaker 3: I can imagine that the nerves are probably not going

465
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Speaker 3: to ever fade. And we often speak on ZZ eight

466
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Speaker 3: about self doubt, imposter syndrome, nerves and how you deal

467
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Speaker 3: with the butterflies and how often we think we're failing

468
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: if those butterflies never go away. But I really think

469
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Speaker 3: that they're kind of a good sign as long as

470
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Speaker 3: it doesn't go too far. So what was your journey

471
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Speaker 3: Some people hate public speaking and presenting and reporting. How

472
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Speaker 3: did you get like, what was your relationship with nerves

473
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Speaker 3: during your time?

474
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Speaker 1: Look, I'm so glad that when I first started reporting

475
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Speaker 1: in Darwin that no one has the outtakes of me

476
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Speaker 1: doing my first live cross because.

477
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty wish I had it.

478
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Speaker 1: Like, I'm pretty sure I just looked blankly into the

479
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Speaker 1: screen and was like a deer in the headlights. I

480
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: just freaked out. But I got you know, I got

481
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Speaker 1: through it. Even you know, talking to you now, I

482
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Speaker 1: still get climbing hands and I still get nervous. It's crazy, really,

483
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Speaker 1: But I was telling you at the start when we're recording,

484
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Speaker 1: is about this thing called a Beata blocker. And it

485
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: was very funny because you know, before I started, I

486
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: just threw myself into it, obviously, and I was down

487
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Speaker 1: in Adelaide with my mom, and my mom had to

488
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Speaker 1: go to the doctors and the doctor Mom's like this,

489
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: mom wants to tell everyone that I was a reporter, right,

490
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Speaker 1: which would annoy me.

491
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Speaker 2: Like I'm like, mom, you don't have to die.

492
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Speaker 1: She's like, you know, she's only the biggest fan, bless

493
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Speaker 1: her consus. But these doctors like, don't you ever get nervous?

494
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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, actually, like I always get nervous.

495
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Speaker 1: I am such a nervous wreck. And he goes, have

496
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Speaker 1: you heard of a beta blocker? It's called the Hilary drug.

497
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Speaker 1: I was like, no, like, this is mind blowing.

498
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Speaker 2: What is this?

499
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Speaker 1: And he said yeah, every time I was actually not

500
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Speaker 1: Hillary's Clinton. Every time Bill Clinton would give a speech

501
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Speaker 1: as a president of the United States, he.

502
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Speaker 2: Would have a beta blocker.

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Speaker 1: And he said it's also very common for pianists when

504
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Speaker 1: they're going into you know, like a really important exam,

505
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Speaker 1: that they have this beta blocker and it stops them

506
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Speaker 1: from shaking.

507
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Speaker 2: It just like slows your heart rate. I was like, oh,

508
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Speaker 2: did you want me to prescribe you? So I was like, yes,

509
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: thank you, doctor, that would be amazing. And so he

510
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Speaker 2: gave me this little little bottle and it had a

511
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Speaker 2: few little.

512
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Speaker 1: Red pills in it, and you know, just having it

513
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Speaker 1: in my pocket really helped. I took half appial the

514
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Speaker 1: first time just in case I like was knocked out

515
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: unconscious for this person world cross.

516
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Speaker 2: And then you know, I think I had them there.

517
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Speaker 1: I took them about like five crosses at the very

518
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: start of my career, but they were always just there

519
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: in a little plastic white bottle, and just mentally it

520
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: really got me through and helped me get over those nerves.

521
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Speaker 2: Very early in my career.

522
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Speaker 3: It was so wild Like that blew my mind that people,

523
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: because that's not what beater blogers are for, right, Like

524
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Speaker 3: that is just crazy?

525
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Speaker 2: Wow.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really it really helped me, even like mentally

527
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Speaker 1: it might have you know, I don't know if it

528
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: did anything, but psychologically it was the security.

529
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, It really was.

530
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Speaker 3: And then once you did kind of, you know, get

531
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Speaker 3: a little bit further into your career, were there any

532
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Speaker 3: strategies or things that you did to help you manage

533
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Speaker 3: the nerves before something that was going to be really

534
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Speaker 3: like a particularly current thing happening that you knew were

535
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: going to have a million eyes on you life. What

536
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: were your strategies for thinking like why me? Why am

537
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: I here?

538
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

539
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: I used to just say in my head, you got this. Okay,

540
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: you got this, you got this, You're fine, You've totally

541
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: got it. And I would just stop for a second

542
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: and just imagine me knocking it out of the park,

543
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: and that would always really help. Yeah, I just go,

544
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: you've got this, It's like and I'd still have butterflies.

545
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: But I just tried to back myself. I tried to

546
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Speaker 2: make my job.

547
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: As easy as possible, so I would keep dot points

548
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: in my head as opposed to like memorizing the whole script.

549
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: That would really help as well. And it's always funny,

550
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, because you think if you do stumble, that

551
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: it's so much worse than what it actually is, and

552
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: when you go back and watch your work, you're like, huh,

553
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't so bad. So it might seem like if

554
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Speaker 1: you pause, it might seem like forever in a day,

555
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: but it really is just a split second, and no

556
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: one even notices. And so I just had to sort

557
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: of convince myself, Look, if you stuff up, it's all good.

558
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: Just keep on going. Yeah, you're your own worst critic,

559
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: and no one else notices.

560
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, And you know I have to say

561
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: as well, it's funny. We used to have a lot

562
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Speaker 1: of interns come into the office and they'd always say

563
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: to me, oh my gosh. You know, I'd bring them

564
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: into the voice booth with me, and I'm like, come in,

565
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: come in, you know, like, let's try and work on

566
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Speaker 1: your voice together, and they would look at me and go, Christina,

567
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Speaker 1: I'm never going to have a voice like yours. And

568
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Speaker 1: I would bring up my old YouTube videos of me

569
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Speaker 1: when I was literally like eighteen at UNI.

570
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: At behind the BNN or whatever.

571
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Speaker 1: And when I was at Channel nine and I would

572
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: play my voice to them and I sounded like a

573
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: little chip, sounded worse than what they sounded like. I

574
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: kid you, not like I was so bad. My voice

575
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: was terrible. And they'll look at me and they'd go, oh,

576
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Speaker 1: let's hope.

577
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: Wow, I know, Oh it's terrible. You know what.

578
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a little clip and then

579
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Speaker 1: you can play it and people will be like, no way.

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Speaker 4: Next time you head off on holiday, you can expect

581
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Speaker 4: to see a colorful and spacious new terminal. The airport

582
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Speaker 4: is set to be Australia's largest purpose built facility specifically

583
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Speaker 4: designed to cater to low cost airlines. When building is

584
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Speaker 4: completed next year, the terminal will be more than double

585
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Speaker 4: its original size and will cater to the Gold Coast

586
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Speaker 4: forecast visitor growth. Terminal operations manager Maurice Gerry said there

587
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Speaker 4: has been an increase in traffic flow at the airport.

588
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Speaker 5: We had an eighty percent increase in international traffic in

589
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Speaker 5: a short period of time, like over a couple of months.

590
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Speaker 5: Most airports would never have been able to cope.

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Speaker 4: Passengers can now fly through thirty five checking desks and

592
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Speaker 4: enjoy a wide variety of restaurants, cafes, and retail outlets.

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Speaker 4: Communications coordinator Melissa Pears explained the intentions for the new look.

594
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Speaker 4: We wanted it to just have that laid back beach

595
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: lifestyle feel, which we feel we've achieved. Visitors are encouraged

596
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Speaker 4: to sit back, relax and enjoy the scenic view of

597
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: the spectacular Hindland.

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Speaker 6: The Gold Coast Airports one hundred million dollar redevelopment includes

599
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 6: splashes of color to keep the look timeless. Things have

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Speaker 6: really taken off here and I said to be complete

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Speaker 6: in March twenty ten. Christina Casalis for BNN.

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Speaker 1: It's great because it just reminds, and it reminded me

603
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: like where we've all come from. You know, everyone has

604
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: that journey that they go through and anything's everything's possible.

605
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, So before we do move to the thing

606
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Speaker 3: that you did make possible, after this whole chapter, which

607
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: is so amazing, I know, can you leave us with

608
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Speaker 3: any firstly highlights, like your most proud achievements from that

609
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: part of your career, but also any other sort of

610
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: behind the scenes things that the average person wouldn't know

611
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: about reporting for example, that people aren't born with a

612
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: reporting voice, that you can train your voice, or that

613
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: you know you I don't think people know that you

614
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: don't just turn up like you actually have to write

615
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: your story. You don't just turn up get a script

616
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: and you're the mouthpiece like reporters write story. So, yeah,

617
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Speaker 3: some of the highlights and then some of the least

618
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 3: expected things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, some of the highlights were definitely at the start

620
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Speaker 1: of my career was really amazing when I got to

621
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Speaker 1: go on a like a helicopter and we landed in

622
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Speaker 1: the middle of the sea on a ship and we're

623
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Speaker 1: firing off like live rounds and like there were f

624
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Speaker 1: eighteen hornets flying around us, and that was pretty spectacular.

625
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Speaker 2: I was like wide eyed and what, this is the

626
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: coolest job in the world.

627
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Speaker 1: But I remember again, like we were on this ship

628
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Speaker 1: for such a short period of time that I had

629
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Speaker 1: this pressure to actually work.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I can't soak in the experience.

631
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. That was really cool. I got to go

632
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Speaker 1: up with the rulettes. That was an amazing experience. With

633
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Speaker 1: those who don't know the roulettes. That was with the

634
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Air Force. When they do the aerobatic maneuvers, usually see

635
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: them at the Formula one.

636
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so wow. I was in the back of the

637
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: aircraft trying not to throw up.

638
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, were you like petrifibing upside down?

639
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: And like it was Yeah, it was like one of

640
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: the most insane experiences.

641
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: You know, You've got the oxygen mask on and like

642
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: if you're feeling on, well, just put it to one

643
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: hundred percent oxygen. I'm like all right, I was.

644
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: Like pushing it forward and the g suit is you know,

645
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: gripping onto your.

646
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Body Like that's insane. That was crazy.

647
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: And again, you know, like I came off that plane,

648
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh gosh, I have to write a script

649
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: and get it filed by four pm today to make

650
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: it on the news at five, and you know, I'm

651
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: dealing with motion sickness.

652
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: But that was wild.

653
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Speaker 1: And the Royals when Harry and Meghan were in Melbourne,

654
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: that was a beautiful experience.

655
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: And out on Swartzenegger come on the Ultimate. It was cool. Yeah,

656
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: he was the ultimate. He was fun.

657
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: Wow, And what about like the unexpected things that we

658
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't know, Like are there any kind of tricks for

659
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: like when you forget a word or like things that

660
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Speaker 3: like I think also when you guys are on location,

661
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: often like it's just you and a producer or just

662
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: you and a cameraman, and people think there's like a

663
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: million people, but.

664
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: It's just you. Yeah, no, that's right.

665
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: And you know, budgets just getting slimmer and slimmer, so

666
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: there's less people even in the office to help you,

667
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: so you're literally left to your own devices.

668
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: You know.

669
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I think one tip that I had for any there's

670
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: any journalism students who are listening was to write like

671
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: dot points throughout the day on my phone. So then

672
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: when it got to the point of writing my script

673
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: and writing what was happening, it just made it a

674
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: whole lot easier rather than going back and going all

675
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: over the.

676
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Footage that was really tough.

677
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I guess you're right. We would

678
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: have to get to work really early. We would be

679
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: allocated a story. If there were no stories to be

680
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: allocated to us, we'd have to pitch some stories and

681
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: then would go out on our merry way, would do

682
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: our own makeup, would obviously dress ourselves. We'd have to

683
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: work on the story ourselves, whether that be on a

684
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: court case that would run all day, or if it

685
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: would be at a house fire or a groundbreaking cancer treatment,

686
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: or a Rulette experience that was wow. Yeah, you know

687
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: what was really I have to divert. What's funny about

688
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: the Rulette experience is you had to weigh a certain

689
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: amount and I'm really sure, like I'm actually little bit

690
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: of a short ass, and for me to weigh I

691
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: think it was fifty five kilos at the time, was

692
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: a little bit over than what I was And so

693
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: I literally had to eat baked beans and toast and

694
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: like ice cream for about three weeks straight to get

695
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: to fifty five kilos to be on.

696
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: That planeuse So you know, sometimes you have to.

697
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Put your body literally on the line to reform on

698
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: a story. I just put on two kilos in two weeks,

699
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: and yeah.

700
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: I love that. That was for work.

701
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: It's like I've just got to eat lots of ice

702
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: cream right now for my job.

703
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: It's called research. Look it up exactly.

704
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: You know, put my chicken filets into my bra just

705
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: to get an extra two hundred grams.

706
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: Ma'am, ma'am. Why are there dumb bells in your bra?

707
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: So it's funny, but yeah, like you know, we had

708
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: to do absolutely everything.

709
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: It was wild.

710
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, and then when you see a Polish story

711
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: that runs for a minute and a half of the news.

712
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: We had worked all.

713
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Day, you know, going out, getting those interviews, coming back,

714
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: writing it up, getting the producer to cast their eyes

715
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: over it, making sure it was okay. Then you'd go

716
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: into the voice booth, voice your voice, and then you'd

717
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: sit with an editor. If there was an editor available,

718
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: they would then edit the story. If there wasn't, then

719
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I'd have to edit it myself. And then five pm

720
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: around you've got to pull your supers in, so all

721
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: the graphics that come up on the screen.

722
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: But there you go.

723
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: That's the five pm news, whole day in a minute

724
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: and a half of a life of a journalist.

725
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: I just really was blown away the first time I

726
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: ever spoke to a journal and was like, yeah, so

727
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: you turn up, they give you the story, they give

728
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: you this scrip, use down there, read it and then

729
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: you go home and they're like, no, we do everything.

730
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god. The responsibility, Like what do

731
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: you mean.

732
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. There's a huge amount of responsibility,

733
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: and you know, transitioning into that boat life. When we

734
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: purchased Takana, the anxiety that I had for like three

735
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: months after quitting was insane. I didn't even realize what

736
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: I'd put my body through for so long.

737
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, okay, so amazing segue. You obviously had hit

738
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: this pinnacle and there's a career that was, like we

739
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: were mentioning just before we started recording that often you

740
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: get to your dream and you know, it feels like

741
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: you've achieved your dreams for a time, and then they

742
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: hit this point where it just you know, your comfort

743
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: zone catches up with you and maybe you want to

744
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 3: try something else. You're not meant to sort of find

745
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: this one destination of Yay, It's meant to be a

746
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: journey that evolves. So what did lead to you deciding,

747
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 3: you know what, this is amazing, I'm living my dream life,

748
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: but I'm going to quit all together and live on

749
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: a boat, Like, what do you mean is the ultimate

750
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: of the ya let's just like quit our jobs and sail.

751
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: But also context for everybody listening, they are not sailors.

752
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: They did not own a boat before this. It's not

753
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: like we had a boat and we just went on it.

754
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: It's like we bought a boat and we learned how

755
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: to sail it.

756
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: What Yeah, it's so wild when you say it, because

757
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: it's so stupid.

758
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: Why did we do that? So stupid?

759
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: An amazing stupid though, So like what happened, dude, Like,

760
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: what do you mean, Oh, well, there was this thing

761
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: called COVID.

762
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I've heard of it.

763
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, well, you know it was so tough. So,

764
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, we skipped a massive chapter in John's life.

765
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: He's a massive part of my life, being my partner.

766
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: He's a pilot and he was stood down from work

767
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: and so that was pretty devastating. He was literally at home,

768
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: like the majority of us. He was on job keeper,

769
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: while I was still out reporting on We're in Melbourne.

770
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: You and I and for everyone who lived in Melbourn

771
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: knew how difficult it was for everyone outside of Melbourne.

772
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: I can assume you you know, you can understand how

773
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: hard it was for us as well. You know that

774
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: five kilometer radius, we're in the Ring of Steel. Every day.

775
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: I got PTSD, PTSD.

776
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: Everyone knows. Everyone knows.

777
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm to go back into it, but essentially, you know,

778
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: we just we had always dreamed of sailing in Greece.

779
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: That was always something that we had in the back

780
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: of our mind. We didn't know when we're going to

781
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: do it. We just thought maybe it would be a

782
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: retirement plan. But the opportunity came up because we were

783
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: obviously stuck and we're trying to work out a way

784
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: to flee the country. But then we realized that in

785
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Greece things weren't great either. Things overseas were pretty tough.

786
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: People were still getting stuck in countries and weren't able

787
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: to leave Marinas. So we decided to buy in Australia.

788
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: Again. Yes we had I had five days experience on

789
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: a s that's amazing, and.

790
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: John had also had five days on a sailboat. But

791
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: the good thing about like lockdown was John was able

792
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: to do some like captain training, like just handwritten stuff

793
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: from Max and what have you, not physical experience because

794
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: we're in lockdown.

795
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: So by the time we're.

796
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: Able to get a boat, we were like, okay, I'm

797
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: just going to quit. I was like John, I've gotten

798
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: to the point in my career where if I have

799
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: a break, if I have a career break, that's completely fine,

800
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Like I'll be able to come back in the industry

801
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: nout because I have enough experience previously that wasn't the case.

802
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: For John, he was stood down from his job so

803
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: he was able to take one year leave without pay.

804
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: So we were like, yeah, let's buy a boat.

805
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: So that's what we did.

806
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: We went out. We had no idea what we were

807
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: looking for. Never owned a boat.

808
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: We were after.

809
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: A forty foot boat, which is quite a large boat,

810
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: but there was nothing available at all.

811
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: No one was selling.

812
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: The market was hot, as in, prices were really expensive,

813
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: so we ended up having would you believe it or not,

814
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: buying something that most people probably wouldn't buy, and that

815
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: was to get a bigger boat. So we ended up

816
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: buying a fifty foot boat, which is.

817
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, how do we even know what foot boat

818
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: you even need?

819
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: Like, how do you even know that? Yeah? Exactly, well

820
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: we didn't. We didn't.

821
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: We ended up buying this fifty foot boat. And I'll

822
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: never forget the first time. We were sitting in the

823
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: front of the bow area where the main cabin was

824
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: like our bedroom, and John and I looked back towards

825
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: the saloon galley way into the back of the boat

826
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: and we just looked at each other and we were like,

827
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: how are we going to get this boat out of

828
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: the marina.

829
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: We didn't know how it was going to be possible.

830
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: We'd never done it before, so im we just were

831
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: absolutely shitting ourselves.

832
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: To be honest, it was fair and it pret enough.

833
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean what like most people haven't been on a

834
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: fifty foot boat, let alone like bought one and then gone, yeah,

835
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: cool man, I'm going to learn how to sail it

836
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: on the go.

837
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: Well, the dream was to go to the Great Barrier Reef,

838
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: so we had that in our minds and we had

839
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: to get the boat up to scratch. There are a

840
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: few things that we had had to do on it,

841
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: so we ended up spending a couple of months in

842
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: the marina working on her, and then yeah, as soon

843
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: as we could, as soon as we got this small

844
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: little window of opportunity to leave.

845
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: And there was literally this tiny little moment of opportunity

847
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: where Victoria just got out of lockdown right and then

848
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: was placed back into lockdown. And then there was a

849
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: two massive low so really big weather events, and we

850
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: managed to scrape out in between these two weather events

851
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: and a little two week opening of Melbourne It's lockdown.

852
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: It was so.

853
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: Lucky and we made our way all the way up

854
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: through you know, the baths, Stray and up to Sydney

855
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: and that was a ford. That was our very first

856
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: experience of John and I sailing Takana was out the

857
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: back straight up to Sydney and that was a four

858
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: day experience. We're completely out of our depth, completely out

859
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: of our depth. We had problems on the boat with

860
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: autopilot malfunctions.

861
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: Is when John had to sit at the helm for

862
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 2: seventeen hours? Yes what yeah?

863
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: Okay?

864
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: Also what is the helm? Like break it down for

865
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: of course?

866
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: Of course, oh my god, I didn't know that.

867
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: So there are two steering wheels because you know, sometimes

868
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: your sail boat heels to the left and sometimes it

869
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: heels to the right. So whichever way it's healing, you

870
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: can use either steering.

871
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: I see, Like okay, boating one oh one. Like, so

872
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: you buy this boat, assuming that you both used savings,

873
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: like you had saving set aside to go on this adventure.

874
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: You've ripped the band aid. You're like life's too short,

875
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: let's go do this thing. And like one of you

876
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: has to get a boat license, right and then like yeah,

877
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: they just let you on. Like how do you, like

878
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: do you get a manual? Like how do you figure

879
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: out like what's the galley and what's it? Like?

880
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm so blown away by all this. Do you know what, Sarah?

881
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: In Australia, you only need a boat license, that is it.

882
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

883
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: And then you just got on this fifty foot sailboat

884
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: and just left.

885
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just left. We just went for it. And

886
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: how do you learn how to drive it? Like I

887
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: get through hard weather? Like, how do you do that?

888
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

889
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: We just did it, Like I mean, John, We're lucky

890
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: that John had his navigational experience from flying, which was

891
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: like phenomenal. And I just made sure his belly was

892
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: full for the first few days. Yeah, And you know

893
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: I stayed away because well, I mean like he was

894
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: a great teacher. He really did help me. He has

895
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: a mechanical mind. And I don't mind getting my hands dirty.

896
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I really enjoy the entire experience.

897
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

898
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Say all women, but I never spoke about boating with

899
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: my girlfriends. I never spoke about batteries with my girl friends.

900
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: I never spoke about solar panels with my girlfriends. I

901
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: never spoke about what tools you need to I don't know,

902
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: like pull a staunchin out of the base of the

903
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: hull of the boat. I just I didn't talk about

904
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: these things. So this was a whole new vocabulary for

905
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: me and for John and it was an incredible experience.

906
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: But it's not out of reach for people. And I

907
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: have to say, that's the thing. Like my dad said

908
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: to me, Christina, you're crazy. People who go on sail

909
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: boats have been sailing their whole lives, Like what are

910
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: you doing? This is this is wild And I was like,

911
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: I know, but we've got to do it, like it's

912
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: just something different and crazy. And you know, when we

913
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: got out there, we learned the ropes pretty quickly, and

914
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: every experience seemed so real at the time, like when

915
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, the autopilot failed, or when we got a

916
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: line wrapped around the full stay in wild weather in

917
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: the bastraight, like all those things. When we were trying

918
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: to dodge whales on our way to Sydney and I

919
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: was freaking out, like literally, like there are some wild,

920
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: wild things that we experienced, But you know, there's you

921
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: experience first with everything that you do, whether it be

922
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: if you get behind the wheel of a car, you know,

923
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: or you are learning how to train your voice. It

924
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: doesn't happen straight away. It takes years of experience, and

925
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: that's the same with boating, and like, if we let

926
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: fear get in the way, we'll miss out on so

927
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: many incredible experiences. And had we not taken that risk,

928
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: had we not purchased that boat and not ventured out

929
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: into the back Straight with literally five days sailing experience,

930
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: we would have missed out on, as I said to you,

931
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: like unlocking the keys to the world, because that's what

932
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: it feels like right now. If you remember what it

933
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: feels like for the first time getting your driver's license

934
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: and the fact that you were able to go out

935
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: and venture out and go to the suburb over and

936
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: go out with your girlfriends, and you know, experience the

937
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: freedom that came with a driver's license. And then I

938
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: think about that and I go, well, what is it

939
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: like without having the ability to sail the world or

940
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: experience locations without being on a boat.

941
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 2: It's like a whole.

942
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: Nother form of transport that I didn't know existed. It's

943
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: mind blowing, right, so cool, you can just like sail wherever. Yeah,

944
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: it's a whole new mode of transport. It's like, Okay,

945
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: you go up in an aeroplane and you can you know,

946
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: fly to another country, get in your car and you

947
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: can drive to the supermarket. But being able to be

948
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: on a boat and sail somewhere is so rewarding, so beautiful,

949
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: and it really allows you to be in the moment,

950
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: which is I had a lot of time to evaluate myself,

951
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: my career, the anxiety I still had in the first

952
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: three months of sailing, Like I would wake up and

953
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: I would still feel a sense of urgency. And I

954
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: think that was because I was so conditioned for so

955
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: many years being a reporter.

956
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that was my biggest question for you that

957
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 3: is so relevant to this show, and that's the fact

958
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: that you don't relax immediately, that you do have to unwind,

959
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: and that then that only then do you start to

960
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: realize that the metrics that you care about in measuring

961
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: your life are different. You know, like, how did your

962
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: relationship with success and productivity change when suddenly you weren't

963
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: producing or doing stuff like all David like, you were

964
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: doing stuff, but it was different. I feel like leaving

965
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: the prestige of the world that you were in to

966
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: then jump wholeheartedly into a totally different world. It's difficult

967
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: at the beginning because You're used to like delivering and

968
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: getting promotions and climbing this ladder, and then you go

969
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: into this totally different world when none of that matters.

970
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: How did that shift from like literally seizing the day

971
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: to like seizing the ya kind of go for you?

972
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: And it does take months right, Like it doesn't. It's

973
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: not straight away you wake up and you're like, this

974
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: is very amazing, like live in my dream.

975
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one hundred percent, Like because that was my identity.

976
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I had made reporting my identity.

977
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I just lived and breathed it

978
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: every single day.

979
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: And it was until.

980
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: We got on that boat and I would wake up

981
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 1: early and watch your sunrise that I realized I hadn't

982
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: seen a sunrise in so long. Like I had seen

983
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: a sunrise if I'd had to get up for an

984
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: early shift, but I hadn't seen a sunrise quite like

985
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: the way that I experienced it.

986
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, feeling the freedom that I did on a boat, wow,

987
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: oh gosh.

988
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I remember actually listening to a podcast and

989
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: it's said to rate your stress levels at the time,

990
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: and I remember I was laying in bed and I

991
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, I feel like an eight.

992
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why do I feel like an eight?

993
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: I literally didn't have an alarm to wake up to

994
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: this morning. I've got nowhere to be. I am on

995
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: a boat floating in the middle of you know, ocean.

996
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Why do I feel such stress? And like that was

997
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: a massive turning point in my mind, going wow.

998
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah, it really was.

999
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: And I wish if I could go back, and or

1000
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: if I could share with people who feel like they're

1001
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: in that grind of work, just go out in nature

1002
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: and maybe if you know, we don't all have access

1003
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: to a body.

1004
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: You know, we don't all have to buy when I

1005
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: learned to say from scratch, but we don't.

1006
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: And you know that.

1007
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like you can do it in

1008
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: your own way, but sometimes like pushing yourself to experience

1009
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: something new or learn a new skill is all you

1010
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: need to push past the fact that you don't just

1011
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: have to be you know what your job title is totally.

1012
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: And I love that you've phrased it as like you'll

1013
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: have lots of different firsts in your life. I like

1014
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: that it's you know, this was your version of a first,

1015
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: which is you guys have a risk appetite that's you know,

1016
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: probably more robust than some people, but it's relative. Like

1017
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: we all have first no matter what they look like.

1018
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: It's important to feel that feeling. It doesn't have to

1019
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: be perhaps as big or dramatic, but that in your

1020
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: life you can push yourself to do anything for the

1021
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: first time, just to get that sense of.

1022
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And I remember, like so early in

1023
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: my career, I really wanted to succeed so quickly and

1024
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: I just wasn't ready. You know, even when I was

1025
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: twenty one. I wanted to be the best, but I

1026
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: just wasn't ready. And I remember, you know, my producer

1027
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: telling me Christina, everything will happen in time, but I.

1028
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: Just wanted I wanted it all just then and now.

1029
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: But you know, I think a quote that really resonated

1030
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: with me recently as well. It said you can have

1031
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: everything in life, but it doesn't have to be all

1032
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: at once.

1033
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Yes. I love that one. Yeah, And that really make

1034
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: you know.

1035
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: If I'm ever having a down day, I just go,

1036
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: you know what, it's all good, Like we're part of

1037
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: this massive journey. While I was reporting, I wasn't able

1038
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: to have the experience of being on the boat.

1039
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: But I'm experiencing it.

1040
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: Now and I don't know what tomorrow will bring, and

1041
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what, you know, my life will look

1042
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: like in five years, but maybe it will be an

1043
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: experience that I wasn't able to do in my twenties

1044
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: that I can do in my mid thirties.

1045
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Absolutely. So from the

1046
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: time you first got on the boat, what month and

1047
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: a year was that? April last year?

1048
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: Okay, oh my gosh. So then how long did you sail?

1049
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: Like what were the sailing adventures from there? Where did

1050
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: you finish?

1051
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: Like?

1052
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: How long did you think you were going for?

1053
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Did you have a plan? Yeah? So,

1054
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: well we our plan was to get out of Victoria.

1055
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: What was the main full stop? Yeah, great plan. Yeah.

1056
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: And then when we got to New South Wales, the

1057
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: plan was to get out of New South Wales because

1058
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: they too were about to go into like this epic lockdown.

1059
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: We almost got stuck in New South Wales like it

1060
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: was a matter of days. Yeah, and then that's it.

1061
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: We would have been stuck in New South Wales. So

1062
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: we got out of New South Wales, which is brilliant.

1063
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: And then we made it to Queensland and so we

1064
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: went all the way up to beautiful islands like Lady Musgrave,

1065
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: all like just absolutely stunning experience through the whit Sundays,

1066
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: white Haven.

1067
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, heaven. Yeah, up to Ken's. We went

1068
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 2: all the way out to a place called Lizard Island.

1069
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, so that actually so on YouTube, our

1070
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: current time timeline is cans so we haven't got to

1071
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: Lizard Island yet, so we're definitely saving the best for

1072
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: your audience. Yeah, but yeah, it's absolutely out of this.

1073
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 2: World, like we were.

1074
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: We got to Snorklin, the most incredible reef you can imagine,

1075
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: off a place called cod Hole which is off of

1076
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: like Ribbon Reef ten, the Great Bearer Reef, and it

1077
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 1: was absolutely spectacular.

1078
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was beautiful.

1079
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: And then obviously that opportunity opened up so many doors

1080
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: that we were given that opportunity just recently to go

1081
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: sailing Greece and that was absolutely mind blowing with Naviga

1082
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: over there. So we literally just came back from sailing

1083
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: in Greece, which, in full circle, that was what you'd

1084
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: always want to do, That's what we always wanted to do,

1085
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: so I actually have garse.

1086
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, just what an adventure?

1087
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah.

1088
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: So I think one of the big questions that will

1089
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: be on a lot of people's minds now is like

1090
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: how did you financially make it work? Like how did

1091
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: you not knowing how long you'd be going for as well?

1092
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: Like I think often people save up for, you know,

1093
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: a sabbatical, but they know it's six months or they

1094
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: know it's three months, and they know when they're going

1095
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: back to work, Like how did you manage the financial

1096
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: side of that? Because that's something I often talk about

1097
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 3: ces the A, but then I forget to cover like

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00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: nuts and bolts of how you do it?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked this question because John and

1101
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: I saved from a really young age.

1102
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: And I have to be honest.

1103
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: With you, Like, obviously I op shop, so I don't

1104
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: waste my money on those sorts of things like clothes.

1105
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm all about not buying things, yep, but buying experiences.

1106
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: That has always been like really true to us.

1107
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: And I remember being in Darwin and I wanted a

1108
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: boost juice from the shopping center and John's like Christina,

1109
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: it's seven dollars and I'm like, I know, but I

1110
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: want to. He's like no, no, no, no, no, Like seven

1111
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: dollars now is like thirty dollars in like ten years time.

1112
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: You don't need it. Wow, my god. So true.

1113
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: So from that age, like from twenty John and I

1114
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: would like save hard because we knew how important that was.

1115
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Compounding interest was.

1116
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: So even though I didn't do my business degree, I

1117
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: learned one thing, and so we would you know, like

1118
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: we would still go out and enjoy ourselves, what we prioritize,

1119
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: what we spent our money on. We still traveled really

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00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: hard through twenty twenty one twenty two. We traveled all

1121
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: through Asia on a budget. We would stay in backpackers

1122
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: and you know and like rough it a bit, but

1123
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: still have that experience. So we saved really hard, and

1124
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: then that's what allowed us to essentially be able to

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Speaker 1: buy Ta Kanna because of the savings that we had.

1126
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: And also John also was able to invest in a

1127
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: few properties as well when we're up here in Brisbane.

1128
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Speaker 1: And I think that's another thing that goes back to

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00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: your question as well about sum jumping around a bit here.

1130
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: But you know, you mentioned what pushed you through through

1131
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: those dark times, and you know, we were in a

1132
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: financial position where we were in investing in property, so

1133
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: I had to have a salary to be able to

1134
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: pay for our investments. So I was sort of in

1135
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: that position where I had to just suck it up

1136
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: because I knew that in the long run it was

1137
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: for the best.

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00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 3: And I think it's a really good reminder as well

1139
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: that like everyone, like as we say, everyone's yay, it

1140
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: looks different in terms of their career or their passion,

1141
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: but it also looks different in terms of your life priorities,

1142
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: Like some people really value experiences, some people really value things,

1143
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: and the way you save and allocate your funds, like

1144
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: it's different for everyone. So you are able to do

1145
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: this because you do value that more than you value

1146
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: something else, and you've prioritized it for decades, you know.

1147
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting how sometimes people are like, well,

1148
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: how do you do that? And it's like, cause I

1149
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: don't do all those other things. Like it's all a

1150
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: give and take of what you care about.

1151
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it got to the point where you know,

1152
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: if I saw a handbag that was worth four grand,

1153
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: I would go, well, well, after tax, that's like me

1154
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: working almost for a whole month. Is the handbag work? Yeah,

1155
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what it kind of isn't

1156
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: It's not worth it. I'd rather spend that money on

1157
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: something else or retire earlier.

1158
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Whereas some people want the handbag and that brings

1159
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: them ya. It's like it's whatever is your ya, exactly exactly.

1160
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: And you know what the thing is is like handbags

1161
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: can be investments these days, open value.

1162
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: You can also find some in an opshop. Like some

1163
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: people try things out that they don't know the value of,

1164
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: So keep look exactly exactly exactly a little side note

1165
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: to this question. Christina later emailed me to clarify that

1166
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: they afforded their boat through their savings, which you just explained.

1167
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: But didn't realize that.

1168
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: I was actually asking about how they funded the rest

1169
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: of the trip while they were living on board, so

1170
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: if you were also wondering about that. Christina later explained

1171
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: that they had monetized their adventure through their ad Sense

1172
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: YouTube revenue the sponsorships on their YouTube episodes that they

1173
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: made while they were on board, and I found this fascinating.

1174
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: One ad pays almost the same amount as she was

1175
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 3: earning as a full time journalist for a month, and

1176
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: of course the freelance voiceover work that Christina was doing

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00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: on board. As you can tell, she has an incredible

1178
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: voice for voiceovers, and yes, she would convert her room

1179
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: on the boat into a voice studio, which I have

1180
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: actually done, not on a boat but on our travels.

1181
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: In fact, the introduction to the last episode that you

1182
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: guys heard was recorded in a cupboard in the middle

1183
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: of an Italian hotel, which was wonderful. It echoed as

1184
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: well because it didn't have carpets, so I was covered

1185
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: in atuna. It's very very glamorous. Anyway, I just thought

1186
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 3: i'd add that little side note in. So then you

1187
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: have turned the Journey into a YouTube channel. You're really

1188
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: big on TikTok, You've got Instagram like you've been storytelling

1189
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: and I love that your skill and talent from reporting,

1190
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: in telling stories and conveying an experience to other people

1191
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: has shined through in your YouTube in Christina's travels. So

1192
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: was that something that you wanted to turn into now

1193
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: what you do like or are you still not really

1194
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: putting that pressure on yourself, like what is kind of

1195
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: the long term plan now?

1196
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: Or are you not long term planning.

1197
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: No, no, I did. I really wanted it to work

1198
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 2: I did.

1200
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: I filmed the journey well, one because we were locked

1201
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: away from our family, so I wanted to share that

1202
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: experience with them as well. Two, if something came from

1203
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: a fantastic it would give John and I the opportunity

1204
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: to have that you know, ability to do this and

1205
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: experience the world.

1206
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: And that's the plan. Yeah, for sure. I just I

1207
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: don't know.

1208
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because of the storytelling

1209
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: aspect of my job that I just wanted to do it.

1210
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: I think even if I wasn't getting paid to do it,

1211
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: I'd still want to do it. I love documenting things,

1212
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: even silly things that John doesn't home.

1213
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 2: I film him. Yeah, it's like part of your way

1214
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: of capturing life. Yeah, you know for sure.

1215
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: And like even on his birthdays and stuff like I

1216
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: would capture him and I doing silly things for the

1217
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: year and then make a little video to show him

1218
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: on his birthday, just to rekindle that spirit and you know,

1219
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: remind ourselves of all the fun things that we had

1220
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: done throughout the year. I just have always enjoyed capturing

1221
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: our life experiences. And last night actually I went back

1222
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: and I haven't done this before, but I went back

1223
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: and started watching our videos.

1224
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: From the stuff because you were going to chat about this.

1225
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: Today, and I had a few like really teary moments

1226
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: because I was, yeah, I just felt so proud about

1227
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 1: what we did, and I feel like we've come such

1228
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: a long way now. But you know, when you look

1229
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: back and you think, wow, all those feels that I

1230
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: had leaving Melbourne for the very first time on the boat,

1231
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: and the excitement and the adrenaline, it's just wild. But

1232
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: looking back and feeling that again for the first time

1233
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: was pretty special, and I'm glad, you know.

1234
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: I hope like I would always have that.

1235
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: Even I sometimes think about when I'm old and gray

1236
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: like a nursing home, like maybe I can't go back

1237
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: and watch them.

1238
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: I feel it's a bit morbid. It's a bit morbid, it.

1239
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: Is, but it's not like I often think that the

1240
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: way to really impress upon people how important it is

1241
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: to find your ya now is that no one on

1242
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: their deathbed has ever wished they had less fun, Like

1243
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: no one has gotten to the end of their life

1244
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: and look back and going, oh, man, I wish I

1245
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: worked more. I wish I spent all less time with

1246
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: the people lived, And like I think everyone's wish at

1247
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 3: that stage in their life looking back is that they

1248
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: could impress upon young people to enjoy it all they

1249
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 3: have it. So it's kind of morbid, but it also

1250
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: helps you reflect on now in a way.

1251
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. One hundred percent, And that's the thing

1252
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: like I had, Yeah, when I was like full on

1253
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: in my career, and that was the only thing I

1254
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: saw myself doing forever.

1255
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: It's just wild to look back at that and think

1256
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: that I'm the same person.

1257
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, unbelievable. You just don't know what door you

1258
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: know you can open up for you. You don't know

1259
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: what's waiting on the other side if you just take

1260
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: that leap. Because I honestly I thought, oh, well, worst

1261
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: case scenario will have a year off and I'll just.

1262
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: Go back to reporting.

1263
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: But you know, this door has opened, and I don't

1264
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: know how long it will last. For a look, I'll

1265
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: take it for as long as it runs, until it

1266
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: runs its course. But at the moment we're just, yeah,

1267
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: really embracing it and are excited for the future.

1268
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm going to include links to the channel

1269
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: in the show notes because I have so many other

1270
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: questions to ask you about the sailing experience, but I

1271
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: know you've covered all of them in the actual and

1272
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: probably told them in a way more beautiful way with

1273
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: all the visuals of like where you actually are, what

1274
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: the boat looks like. So I'll make sure to include

1275
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: those for everyone. Please go and watch them. It will

1276
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 3: be such an escape. If you can't buy a boat,

1277
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: just live VI carelessly through Christina and John.

1278
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, It's awesome being a female and

1279
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: being able to do it because there are so many

1280
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: of our viewers that are like, oh, I'm trying to

1281
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: get my wife over the line and trying to get

1282
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: my girlfriend. Everyone tell you what it is an experience

1283
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: you will never forget as long as you don't get seasick.

1284
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would not recommend to problem, but you know,

1285
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 3: put yourself out there, you might enjoy it amazing. Well, yeah,

1286
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: thank you so much for sharing. I like literally feel

1287
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: like I could pick your brain for another hour just

1288
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 3: on like maritime terms, because I want to know more

1289
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: of I did not know that like the hull was

1290
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: what it was and the helm is what it was.

1291
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 3: But I've learned like three new words today, so I

1292
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 3: feel really accomplished. But just to finish up, I always

1293
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: end by asking what your favorite quote is, and you've

1294
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: already shared one, so that can be it if you want.

1295
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: But do you have any.

1296
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: Quotes for the ya or that just capture your journey

1297
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: and what you'd love to impress upon other people? Okay,

1298
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: I have to you don't know what you don't know?

1299
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely love that, yeah, yeah.

1300
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: And I think this is one I don't know. It

1301
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: always like sticks in my mind, but it's, you know, cliche,

1302
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: shoot for the moon, but if you don't, you'll still

1303
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: being amongst the stars.

1304
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: But it's so true. I love it.

1305
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: I love it like you have to go for gold

1306
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you will have regrets. And that

1307
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: is one thing that I didn't want to have. I

1308
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to have any regrets. And that's the thing,

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Speaker 1: you know. As I was I remember celebrating thirty in

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Speaker 1: Lockdown and my mum said to me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was your age when I had you, and.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, dear, I need to start thinking

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Speaker 1: about children. And I just wasn't there yet. I wasn't mentally.

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Speaker 2: Prepared for that, yeah, at all.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't want to go into that next phase

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Speaker 1: of potentially wanting a family, and yeah, just not being

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Speaker 1: mentally prepared for that child in parenthood and that journey

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Speaker 1: its entirety.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, John, we have to do this

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Speaker 2: for us.

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Speaker 1: We have to go wild otherwise I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: serious regrets.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I'm so glad.

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Speaker 1: We did and we yeah, we definitely. We aimed for

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Speaker 1: the moon there.

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Speaker 2: And you landed on the moon. So amazing work.

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Speaker 1: Out somewhere out in the galaxy. We are just floating away.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I can't wait to see what you do next.

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Speaker 2: And thank you so much for joining. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me, sarah Ah.

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Speaker 3: The visuals of this adventure are even more fascinating than

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Speaker 3: the audio, so make sure you go and watch Christina's

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Speaker 3: epic videos on YouTube and TikTok. What a fascinating journey.

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Speaker 3: As always, if you enjoyed this episode, please share it

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Speaker 3: and US so we can repost and keep growing the

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Speaker 3: neighborhood as far and wide as possible. We're back on

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Speaker 3: the ground now and working through the jet lags. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back with some Yea's of our lives with and

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Speaker 3: as well very soon. I hope you're having an amazing

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Speaker 3: week and is seizing your YA