1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:19,273 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast from Mom and 2 00:00:19,314 --> 00:00:22,314 Speaker 1: Me Out. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 3 00:00:22,674 --> 00:00:25,914 Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodnek, and today I'm joined by two special guests. 4 00:00:26,594 --> 00:00:27,434 Speaker 1: I'm Bree Player. 5 00:00:27,634 --> 00:00:31,954 Speaker 2: I'm the executive producer of MoMA MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and. 6 00:00:31,914 --> 00:00:34,833 Speaker 3: I'm Anisus Warren, executive producer of the Spill. 7 00:00:35,394 --> 00:00:37,634 Speaker 1: There's three of us today because we have three huge 8 00:00:37,714 --> 00:00:40,313 Speaker 1: topics to cover, so we needed three minds together to 9 00:00:40,354 --> 00:00:42,513 Speaker 1: get through this. First of all, there is a new 10 00:00:42,553 --> 00:00:45,914 Speaker 1: romcom coming to cinema soon and it stars two people 11 00:00:45,954 --> 00:00:48,793 Speaker 1: who were supposed to be the biggest stars in Hollywood 12 00:00:48,833 --> 00:00:50,594 Speaker 1: before they both fell off the face of the earth 13 00:00:50,634 --> 00:00:54,354 Speaker 1: for various reasons. We're getting into that. Plus, Elizabeth Olson 14 00:00:54,434 --> 00:00:56,194 Speaker 1: is on the press trail at the moment for her 15 00:00:56,234 --> 00:00:58,754 Speaker 1: new movie and she's given us a little insight into 16 00:00:58,754 --> 00:01:01,794 Speaker 1: her relationship with her very famous sisters. So we're going 17 00:01:01,834 --> 00:01:04,673 Speaker 1: to talk about that. But first, it's that special time 18 00:01:04,714 --> 00:01:05,074 Speaker 1: of year. 19 00:01:07,274 --> 00:01:08,033 Speaker 4: Carol's are out. 20 00:01:08,194 --> 00:01:11,194 Speaker 1: It's Christmas time, which means that all of Hollywood is 21 00:01:11,234 --> 00:01:15,754 Speaker 1: a flurry with who is getting Tom Cruise's infamous Christmas cake? 22 00:01:15,794 --> 00:01:17,514 Speaker 1: Are you guys across this or do you have real lives? 23 00:01:17,674 --> 00:01:20,354 Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, no, absolutely not a Cruise cake 24 00:01:20,714 --> 00:01:21,434 Speaker 1: across a way. 25 00:01:21,634 --> 00:01:23,874 Speaker 3: I love that he just sort of doesn't like to 26 00:01:23,874 --> 00:01:25,754 Speaker 3: speak that much about his personal life, but this is 27 00:01:25,794 --> 00:01:26,753 Speaker 3: the detail that we're. 28 00:01:26,594 --> 00:01:29,354 Speaker 1: All like this change him in a very big light. Yeah, 29 00:01:29,674 --> 00:01:31,834 Speaker 1: So if anyone who's not across this has been happening 30 00:01:31,874 --> 00:01:34,794 Speaker 1: for decades. Every year, Tom Cruise sends out his infamous 31 00:01:34,834 --> 00:01:38,354 Speaker 1: Christmas cake, which is a white chocolate coconut bunt cake. 32 00:01:38,914 --> 00:01:41,954 Speaker 1: It retails for one hundred and thirty dollars US or 33 00:01:41,954 --> 00:01:44,674 Speaker 1: around two hundred and forty two hundred and fifty Australian 34 00:01:45,074 --> 00:01:47,794 Speaker 1: and it's from this tiny bakery in LA who apparently 35 00:01:47,834 --> 00:01:50,394 Speaker 1: are very overwhelmed with how interested everyone is in this 36 00:01:50,474 --> 00:01:53,194 Speaker 1: Christmas cake. And it goes out to all of his 37 00:01:53,394 --> 00:01:55,314 Speaker 1: past co stars and they all make a real big 38 00:01:55,354 --> 00:01:56,274 Speaker 1: song and dance about it. 39 00:01:56,594 --> 00:01:56,794 Speaker 2: Yeah. 40 00:01:56,794 --> 00:01:58,354 Speaker 3: Who is going to be on this list is the 41 00:01:58,354 --> 00:02:01,274 Speaker 3: topic of conversation because you know people who have received 42 00:02:01,314 --> 00:02:02,114 Speaker 3: it in the past. 43 00:02:02,354 --> 00:02:04,794 Speaker 4: Dakota and El Fanning there on the list. 44 00:02:04,674 --> 00:02:08,834 Speaker 3: Angela Bassett's on the list, Tom Hanks, Demmy Fallon, Glenn Powell. 45 00:02:08,954 --> 00:02:11,634 Speaker 3: So everyone just really wants to get their name cemented 46 00:02:11,674 --> 00:02:13,274 Speaker 3: on the Bunt Cake recipient list. 47 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:15,793 Speaker 1: I feel like that's Glenn Powell's biggest accolade ride do 48 00:02:15,794 --> 00:02:17,073 Speaker 1: you do? When he was on the press tour for 49 00:02:17,194 --> 00:02:19,634 Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick, all he was talking about was being 50 00:02:19,634 --> 00:02:19,834 Speaker 1: on the. 51 00:02:19,834 --> 00:02:22,554 Speaker 2: List, being on the Cruise Cake list and also joined 52 00:02:22,554 --> 00:02:25,394 Speaker 2: by Miles Teller who was his coaster. Another one who's 53 00:02:25,434 --> 00:02:28,274 Speaker 2: also on the Cruise Cake list is Kiki dunt Kirston 54 00:02:28,354 --> 00:02:31,314 Speaker 2: Dunce because they did interview with the Vampire together back 55 00:02:31,314 --> 00:02:33,793 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four. Well, he hasn't forgotten. She still 56 00:02:33,834 --> 00:02:34,594 Speaker 2: gets it every year. 57 00:02:34,834 --> 00:02:37,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she speaks again very highly of it. She 58 00:02:37,154 --> 00:02:38,954 Speaker 1: said it's a big deal in the house every year 59 00:02:38,954 --> 00:02:41,234 Speaker 1: when the cake arrives, and she said, the whole family 60 00:02:41,274 --> 00:02:43,674 Speaker 1: shouts out, the cruise cake is here. Here's my thing? 61 00:02:43,874 --> 00:02:46,154 Speaker 1: Is it like a weird cult almost, Like they all 62 00:02:46,154 --> 00:02:48,034 Speaker 1: have this really practice thing whereas if they're in an 63 00:02:48,034 --> 00:02:50,274 Speaker 1: interview or at an event and someone brings up the 64 00:02:50,314 --> 00:02:52,554 Speaker 1: cruise Cake and the lists are out this year, it's 65 00:02:52,554 --> 00:02:54,714 Speaker 1: a whole big thing. They all of a sudden start 66 00:02:54,754 --> 00:02:56,834 Speaker 1: talking in this manic way kind of like I am 67 00:02:56,874 --> 00:02:59,754 Speaker 1: now about how great the cake is it's the greatest 68 00:02:59,754 --> 00:03:01,794 Speaker 1: thing they ever tasted. They can't believe he sends it 69 00:03:01,794 --> 00:03:03,594 Speaker 1: to them. It's so nice. Like do you think that 70 00:03:03,594 --> 00:03:06,114 Speaker 1: they're like everyone's too scared to say anything about the cake, 71 00:03:06,194 --> 00:03:07,114 Speaker 1: or they feel like they have to put on a 72 00:03:07,194 --> 00:03:07,754 Speaker 1: song and dance. 73 00:03:07,914 --> 00:03:08,554 Speaker 2: Maybe you're just. 74 00:03:08,514 --> 00:03:09,674 Speaker 4: Worried you drop off the list. 75 00:03:10,034 --> 00:03:12,154 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't want to drop off the list? 76 00:03:12,194 --> 00:03:13,954 Speaker 2: Do you want to stay on the Cruise cake list? 77 00:03:14,274 --> 00:03:17,634 Speaker 2: And I do think it probably is delicious, but. 78 00:03:17,674 --> 00:03:20,714 Speaker 1: I don't do it. But also like the good flavorite 79 00:03:20,754 --> 00:03:22,274 Speaker 1: celebrity top tier celebrities. 80 00:03:22,274 --> 00:03:24,474 Speaker 2: But I like that it comes from a small family 81 00:03:24,514 --> 00:03:28,354 Speaker 2: owned bakery. It's like a small support local is from 82 00:03:28,434 --> 00:03:32,874 Speaker 2: this small family owned bakery around the Calabasas area called 83 00:03:33,074 --> 00:03:36,794 Speaker 2: Don's Bakery, And apparently they are they get really overwhelmed 84 00:03:36,834 --> 00:03:38,754 Speaker 2: with orders. But all year round people want. 85 00:03:38,754 --> 00:03:39,874 Speaker 5: I want to try the Cruise cake. 86 00:03:39,954 --> 00:03:42,114 Speaker 1: I want to just know, like is it so good 87 00:03:42,114 --> 00:03:44,154 Speaker 1: that it's making people act crazy? Because I don't think 88 00:03:44,194 --> 00:03:46,754 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise when he first started this list. I don't 89 00:03:46,794 --> 00:03:49,194 Speaker 1: think that he went into bakries looking for what would 90 00:03:49,234 --> 00:03:51,834 Speaker 1: be the Christmas cake. I think one of his assistants 91 00:03:51,914 --> 00:03:53,594 Speaker 1: or he has all these family working for him. One 92 00:03:53,634 --> 00:03:56,154 Speaker 1: of his sisters just came upon that cake and sent 93 00:03:56,194 --> 00:03:57,514 Speaker 1: out a hundred and the first like. 94 00:03:57,474 --> 00:03:59,194 Speaker 2: This will do and this is fine. I don't think 95 00:03:59,194 --> 00:04:00,914 Speaker 2: it was like his personal favorite. 96 00:04:01,354 --> 00:04:03,274 Speaker 1: Maybe. I mean, I don't think they'm an X cake. 97 00:04:03,314 --> 00:04:05,314 Speaker 1: I think he's devoid of any kind of joy outside 98 00:04:05,314 --> 00:04:07,874 Speaker 1: of like jumping off buildings and doing and stuff like that. Like, 99 00:04:07,874 --> 00:04:09,754 Speaker 1: I can't think that he's the kind of person who 100 00:04:09,794 --> 00:04:10,674 Speaker 1: has a favorite cake. 101 00:04:11,234 --> 00:04:13,594 Speaker 3: I feel like there's a docuseries in this, like Tom's 102 00:04:13,674 --> 00:04:14,714 Speaker 3: journey to this case. 103 00:04:15,034 --> 00:04:16,354 Speaker 4: What's the connection? I have to know? 104 00:04:16,514 --> 00:04:18,794 Speaker 1: Well, apparently they've had to like sometimes take the phone 105 00:04:18,794 --> 00:04:20,634 Speaker 1: off the hook back in the day this bakery, because 106 00:04:20,674 --> 00:04:22,633 Speaker 1: it just rings off the hook, not just orders, but 107 00:04:22,674 --> 00:04:24,873 Speaker 1: with weirdos like us who are like, we're covering the 108 00:04:24,914 --> 00:04:28,034 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise cake story. Can we get a go insight and. 109 00:04:28,034 --> 00:04:29,154 Speaker 5: Like a who's on the list. 110 00:04:29,193 --> 00:04:31,433 Speaker 2: It must be fascinating though for the bakery, Like you 111 00:04:31,433 --> 00:04:35,674 Speaker 2: know when you hear florists talk around, you know, Valentine's Day, 112 00:04:35,914 --> 00:04:38,273 Speaker 2: who's ordering flowers for their wife, who's ordering flowers for 113 00:04:38,313 --> 00:04:40,914 Speaker 2: their mistress. If I worked at that bakery, I'd be 114 00:04:40,993 --> 00:04:43,433 Speaker 2: so fascinated. Each she'd be like, Oh, I can't. 115 00:04:43,193 --> 00:04:44,633 Speaker 5: Believe who's dropped off the list? 116 00:04:44,714 --> 00:04:47,473 Speaker 1: How well replaced. All their sources are that TMZ doesn't 117 00:04:47,513 --> 00:04:50,553 Speaker 1: have that list. Yeah right. They get like death certificates 118 00:04:50,553 --> 00:04:53,234 Speaker 1: from Morgues straight away. Yeah, they get divorce papers from 119 00:04:53,234 --> 00:04:56,034 Speaker 1: the moment they go to court. They have people's hospital records. 120 00:04:56,474 --> 00:04:59,753 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's harder to get Tom Cruise's cake 121 00:04:59,873 --> 00:05:02,674 Speaker 1: list than it is to get someone sealed medical records. 122 00:05:02,714 --> 00:05:05,193 Speaker 3: Well, they must pride themselves in their confidentiality. They're like, 123 00:05:05,234 --> 00:05:07,394 Speaker 3: Tom is not going to continue this agreement unless. 124 00:05:07,714 --> 00:05:11,753 Speaker 2: Totally And you know what, that Cruise cake list probably 125 00:05:11,834 --> 00:05:13,553 Speaker 2: keeps them afloat the whole year. 126 00:05:13,513 --> 00:05:17,474 Speaker 1: Right now, like they could shut they open eleven years old. 127 00:05:17,513 --> 00:05:18,594 Speaker 5: That well. 128 00:05:18,674 --> 00:05:21,153 Speaker 3: Also, one person who dropped off the list is Brooks Shields, 129 00:05:21,193 --> 00:05:22,394 Speaker 3: and she's spoken about that. 130 00:05:22,594 --> 00:05:23,914 Speaker 4: She said she was on the list for a while. 131 00:05:23,953 --> 00:05:25,873 Speaker 3: She had a good ten year run, got the coconut 132 00:05:25,914 --> 00:05:27,953 Speaker 3: cake every year and she was very happy about it. 133 00:05:28,154 --> 00:05:29,594 Speaker 3: And now she's off the list. She's like, I want 134 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:31,153 Speaker 3: to get back on that cake list. It's the best 135 00:05:31,154 --> 00:05:31,954 Speaker 3: cake I've ever had. 136 00:05:32,234 --> 00:05:35,593 Speaker 1: Again, brook just go buy your own camp by Independent Woman. 137 00:05:35,633 --> 00:05:37,874 Speaker 1: And he's done way worse to her, Like I can't 138 00:05:37,914 --> 00:05:39,633 Speaker 1: believe she was on it for ten years. And I 139 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:41,914 Speaker 1: wonder if she said something in the press about what happened, 140 00:05:41,914 --> 00:05:45,313 Speaker 1: because remember he was Tom Cruise spoke really negatively about 141 00:05:45,313 --> 00:05:48,794 Speaker 1: her and the press when she talked about having postpartum depression, 142 00:05:49,073 --> 00:05:51,794 Speaker 1: and so she was going on medication and Tom Cruise, 143 00:05:51,834 --> 00:05:54,553 Speaker 1: again not affiliated with her, not a doctor. Famously, Tom 144 00:05:54,553 --> 00:05:57,113 Speaker 1: Cruise then went on this big press tour about how 145 00:05:57,193 --> 00:05:59,353 Speaker 1: dangerous it was for her to take medication and how 146 00:05:59,433 --> 00:06:02,354 Speaker 1: awful it was, and then she got really upset, rightfully so, 147 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:05,034 Speaker 1: and then they did like kind of reconcile years later, 148 00:06:05,073 --> 00:06:06,873 Speaker 1: and I guess that's when she got on the cake list. 149 00:06:07,794 --> 00:06:09,833 Speaker 1: And now ten years later she just dropped off with 150 00:06:09,873 --> 00:06:11,993 Speaker 1: no explanation, and she's the only one brave enough to 151 00:06:11,993 --> 00:06:12,594 Speaker 1: talk about it. 152 00:06:12,594 --> 00:06:14,433 Speaker 3: It's well that she wants to get back on it 153 00:06:14,474 --> 00:06:15,993 Speaker 3: this much like I'll just be like, you know what, 154 00:06:15,993 --> 00:06:17,273 Speaker 3: I'll just get my own cake this year. 155 00:06:17,354 --> 00:06:18,953 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the way 156 00:06:19,034 --> 00:06:21,833 Speaker 1: they all talk about it with such reverend tones, it 157 00:06:21,953 --> 00:06:24,033 Speaker 1: just makes me feel like the cake is short for something, 158 00:06:24,073 --> 00:06:25,753 Speaker 1: like it's some sort of like in for like some 159 00:06:25,794 --> 00:06:29,033 Speaker 1: sort of secret society that they have. I wonder also 160 00:06:29,154 --> 00:06:33,073 Speaker 1: maybe it's because Brooke talked about the logistics around it. 161 00:06:33,154 --> 00:06:35,553 Speaker 1: So she said when she started getting the cake, it 162 00:06:35,633 --> 00:06:39,954 Speaker 1: said Mary Christmas from Tom, Katie and Surrey. And then 163 00:06:39,993 --> 00:06:42,273 Speaker 1: she said once they broke up, the card that year 164 00:06:42,313 --> 00:06:45,234 Speaker 1: just read from Tom. It's not really groundbreaking, but she's 165 00:06:45,274 --> 00:06:47,234 Speaker 1: the first one to everyone else really toes the line 166 00:06:47,274 --> 00:06:49,234 Speaker 1: with him. It doesn't say anything. So maybe that's why 167 00:06:49,234 --> 00:06:50,074 Speaker 1: she dropped off the list. 168 00:06:50,113 --> 00:06:51,553 Speaker 4: It's like fight club. We don't talk about it. 169 00:06:51,633 --> 00:06:53,073 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't talk about the cake. 170 00:06:53,313 --> 00:06:54,753 Speaker 4: If you get the cake, you don't talk about it. 171 00:06:54,794 --> 00:06:56,513 Speaker 1: I guess keep an eye on socials this year for 172 00:06:56,553 --> 00:06:59,073 Speaker 1: every celebrity who posts about the cake and makes a 173 00:06:59,073 --> 00:07:00,794 Speaker 1: big deal of it, because it is sort of seen 174 00:07:00,834 --> 00:07:03,234 Speaker 1: as this like badge of honor that they're all weirdly 175 00:07:03,274 --> 00:07:03,874 Speaker 1: obsessed with. 176 00:07:04,034 --> 00:07:08,153 Speaker 2: Totally totally, it's like you're on the list, it's important. 177 00:07:08,354 --> 00:07:10,754 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never send anyone cake like that. Seems 178 00:07:10,754 --> 00:07:11,834 Speaker 1: like a lot of logistics. 179 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:13,674 Speaker 5: I don't think Tom. 180 00:07:13,914 --> 00:07:18,114 Speaker 1: I think Tom. You don't think he's boxing your hand 181 00:07:18,354 --> 00:07:19,434 Speaker 1: written notes. 182 00:07:19,634 --> 00:07:20,114 Speaker 4: You never know. 183 00:07:20,154 --> 00:07:22,794 Speaker 3: You Sometimes people who have really big cusinssful careers want 184 00:07:22,794 --> 00:07:24,074 Speaker 3: like a little creative. 185 00:07:23,674 --> 00:07:26,833 Speaker 1: Out some beating Tom's creative outlet. 186 00:07:30,234 --> 00:07:31,034 Speaker 4: So there's a new. 187 00:07:30,953 --> 00:07:33,153 Speaker 3: Rom com on the cards, and we get very excited 188 00:07:33,154 --> 00:07:35,234 Speaker 3: about new rom coms here at the Spell. 189 00:07:35,634 --> 00:07:36,434 Speaker 4: This one is. 190 00:07:36,354 --> 00:07:38,754 Speaker 3: Called You, Me and Tuscany. So I'm not going to 191 00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:40,554 Speaker 3: go into who's in it yet. I'm just going to 192 00:07:40,594 --> 00:07:42,114 Speaker 3: give you a little bit of a rundown on what 193 00:07:42,154 --> 00:07:45,554 Speaker 3: the plot is. It's coming to cinemas next year in April, 194 00:07:45,914 --> 00:07:49,114 Speaker 3: and basically such a relatable tale. It's about a girl 195 00:07:49,194 --> 00:07:52,234 Speaker 3: called Anna. I think she's like late twenties, ely thirties, 196 00:07:52,274 --> 00:07:54,034 Speaker 3: that kind of vibe. She's given up on her dreams 197 00:07:54,034 --> 00:07:56,714 Speaker 3: of becoming a chef, her long held dreams. And then, 198 00:07:56,754 --> 00:07:59,634 Speaker 3: as you do, she meets a rich Italian man called 199 00:07:59,714 --> 00:08:02,634 Speaker 3: Matteo who happens to have an empty villa in Tuscany, 200 00:08:02,714 --> 00:08:05,194 Speaker 3: because you know, that's just sort of every Tuesday night. 201 00:08:05,714 --> 00:08:07,874 Speaker 3: So then when she finds it about this villa, she 202 00:08:07,953 --> 00:08:09,914 Speaker 3: decides she's going to jet off to Tuscany and just 203 00:08:09,953 --> 00:08:12,674 Speaker 3: sort of take up residence in this house her best friends. 204 00:08:12,794 --> 00:08:14,234 Speaker 3: I'm getting all this from the trailer. By the way, 205 00:08:14,234 --> 00:08:16,474 Speaker 3: I haven't seen no idea. I haven't actually seen the movie. 206 00:08:16,474 --> 00:08:17,194 Speaker 4: It's months away. 207 00:08:17,594 --> 00:08:19,554 Speaker 3: She goes to Tustany, decides to live in his house, 208 00:08:19,634 --> 00:08:22,194 Speaker 3: and then his mom walks in and is like, what 209 00:08:22,234 --> 00:08:24,434 Speaker 3: on earth are you doing here? And so she comes 210 00:08:24,474 --> 00:08:27,114 Speaker 3: up with this whole lie that she's his fiancee to 211 00:08:27,194 --> 00:08:31,713 Speaker 3: basically avoid going to Tuscan jail. And then Mateo's cousin 212 00:08:31,834 --> 00:08:34,194 Speaker 3: rocks up because the whole family now think they're engaged. 213 00:08:34,194 --> 00:08:36,634 Speaker 3: Mateo has no idea this is going on. His cousin, 214 00:08:36,674 --> 00:08:40,194 Speaker 3: who is very, very hot, rocks up and obviously there's sparks, 215 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:42,754 Speaker 3: and that's sort of the premise of like, now she's 216 00:08:42,914 --> 00:08:46,874 Speaker 3: saying she's Mateo's fiance she's into the cousin. That sort 217 00:08:46,914 --> 00:08:49,234 Speaker 3: of the premise of the movie, set in beautiful Tuscany. 218 00:08:49,754 --> 00:08:51,754 Speaker 3: Does this sound like something you would want to go watch? 219 00:08:51,914 --> 00:08:52,154 Speaker 4: Well? 220 00:08:52,314 --> 00:08:53,794 Speaker 1: When I first heard the premise of this and one 221 00:08:53,874 --> 00:08:55,274 Speaker 1: to the trailer, I thought it was going to be 222 00:08:55,314 --> 00:08:57,714 Speaker 1: like a Netflix Friday Night. I was about to say, sure, 223 00:08:57,834 --> 00:08:59,834 Speaker 1: this is a straight to TV fl No, this is 224 00:08:59,874 --> 00:09:02,754 Speaker 1: going straight to cinemia in April, which I mean we 225 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:04,794 Speaker 1: keep saying bring back rom coms. I don't know if 226 00:09:04,834 --> 00:09:07,034 Speaker 1: this is going to be the one to like Resurrection 227 00:09:07,154 --> 00:09:11,074 Speaker 1: the genre. But you, I mean, I'll go see it. 228 00:09:11,114 --> 00:09:13,234 Speaker 1: I'm not turning down people falling in love in Tuscany. 229 00:09:13,314 --> 00:09:14,194 Speaker 1: I'll go see it too. 230 00:09:14,394 --> 00:09:17,274 Speaker 2: I'll be their gold class bottle of champagne between me 231 00:09:17,314 --> 00:09:18,314 Speaker 2: and my bestie. 232 00:09:18,514 --> 00:09:20,554 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna tells me that we're not the audience. 233 00:09:20,554 --> 00:09:23,794 Speaker 1: They're trying to sway like we're already, we're on board, 234 00:09:23,994 --> 00:09:26,834 Speaker 1: so that all sounds fun, rom comms are back, etcetera, etcetera. 235 00:09:27,154 --> 00:09:30,114 Speaker 1: What's really interesting at this is the two actors who 236 00:09:30,194 --> 00:09:33,994 Speaker 1: are the lead characters, which is Hallie Bailey better known 237 00:09:34,034 --> 00:09:36,874 Speaker 1: as the star of the live action Little Mermaid, and 238 00:09:36,954 --> 00:09:42,714 Speaker 1: reggae Jean Page, better known. You both sat up so 239 00:09:42,754 --> 00:09:44,594 Speaker 1: straight that I'm like, do you have to say it together? Ye, 240 00:09:44,794 --> 00:09:48,634 Speaker 1: Duke of Hastings Man Alive from the first season of Bridgeton. 241 00:09:49,074 --> 00:09:51,354 Speaker 1: Two very hot people who I am and personally very 242 00:09:51,354 --> 00:09:54,194 Speaker 1: excited to watch them fall in love. But super interesting 243 00:09:54,194 --> 00:09:56,074 Speaker 1: when I was watching the trailer because when I was 244 00:09:56,114 --> 00:09:58,754 Speaker 1: looking at them, I remembered a point in time where 245 00:09:58,754 --> 00:10:01,674 Speaker 1: they had both secured these huge roles these movies where 246 00:10:01,714 --> 00:10:03,914 Speaker 1: her movie came out, his TV show came out. They 247 00:10:03,954 --> 00:10:06,594 Speaker 1: became these cultural moments and it felt like they were 248 00:10:06,594 --> 00:10:08,994 Speaker 1: going to be the next two big things in Hollywood, 249 00:10:08,994 --> 00:10:10,834 Speaker 1: that they are going to be the two big movie stars, 250 00:10:11,194 --> 00:10:13,194 Speaker 1: and then, for different reasons we're about to get into, 251 00:10:13,314 --> 00:10:17,474 Speaker 1: they both kind of disappeared from the spotlight. And I 252 00:10:17,514 --> 00:10:19,394 Speaker 1: guess the one that people are most kind of caught 253 00:10:19,474 --> 00:10:21,794 Speaker 1: up is is what happened to the Duke after Bridgingston, 254 00:10:21,794 --> 00:10:23,994 Speaker 1: Because that's a bit of a it's a point, it's 255 00:10:23,994 --> 00:10:28,234 Speaker 1: a cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale. It did deeply 256 00:10:28,274 --> 00:10:29,834 Speaker 1: affect me when he left the show. 257 00:10:29,994 --> 00:10:32,634 Speaker 2: I have to say I actually was so bitter about 258 00:10:32,634 --> 00:10:36,554 Speaker 2: it that I didn't enjoy season two. Really, Yeah, John 259 00:10:36,634 --> 00:10:40,474 Speaker 2: Bailey didn't, No, he didn't. I feel like every time 260 00:10:40,514 --> 00:10:43,634 Speaker 2: I come on the spill, I'm now down talking Jonathan Bailey, 261 00:10:43,674 --> 00:10:46,474 Speaker 2: who I love. So this isn't right, But yeah, I 262 00:10:46,594 --> 00:10:48,914 Speaker 2: was so deeply disappointed. 263 00:10:48,274 --> 00:10:51,154 Speaker 5: That he left and I just couldn't enjoy it because I. 264 00:10:51,114 --> 00:10:54,474 Speaker 2: Felt like like my crush from the show had gone. 265 00:10:54,634 --> 00:10:56,754 Speaker 3: And in all those Bridgitton threads, there are always those 266 00:10:56,794 --> 00:10:58,554 Speaker 3: memes being like, where are all these. 267 00:10:58,394 --> 00:11:01,354 Speaker 4: Projects that Reggae Jean went? Well, now you've got one totally. 268 00:11:01,434 --> 00:11:03,274 Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm going to say, look who's 269 00:11:03,274 --> 00:11:05,314 Speaker 2: come crawling back to the female gays guys. 270 00:11:05,594 --> 00:11:07,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly thought he was too. 271 00:11:07,474 --> 00:11:07,674 Speaker 3: Well. 272 00:11:08,234 --> 00:11:11,554 Speaker 1: I don't mean to be a reggae apologist, but I 273 00:11:11,594 --> 00:11:14,474 Speaker 1: do feel that maybe he just got some bad advice. 274 00:11:14,554 --> 00:11:18,034 Speaker 1: Because Bridgington came out, he was the lead. People loved 275 00:11:18,114 --> 00:11:21,674 Speaker 1: Phoebe Danova, who was the female lead actress. The obsession 276 00:11:21,674 --> 00:11:24,034 Speaker 1: with him as an actor was so intense. 277 00:11:24,154 --> 00:11:24,754 Speaker 5: I do know. 278 00:11:24,794 --> 00:11:27,554 Speaker 1: People who cried because they're like, I'm married normally never 279 00:11:27,594 --> 00:11:30,234 Speaker 1: feel that love again. Or people who just like, well, 280 00:11:30,274 --> 00:11:32,074 Speaker 1: like I can't date anymore because like, no one's going 281 00:11:32,154 --> 00:11:33,953 Speaker 1: to be the duke. You talked about the fact when 282 00:11:33,954 --> 00:11:36,074 Speaker 1: he left the show, you are heartbroken. So was one 283 00:11:36,154 --> 00:11:38,834 Speaker 1: Kimberly Kardashian. She posted like I will never get over this. 284 00:11:38,834 --> 00:11:41,514 Speaker 1: I can't watch show anymore. She was so upset. We 285 00:11:41,754 --> 00:11:44,713 Speaker 1: as a collective society went through grief because there was 286 00:11:44,754 --> 00:11:46,434 Speaker 1: this whole thing that he wasn't coming back for a 287 00:11:46,434 --> 00:11:49,274 Speaker 1: season two because they wouldn't pay him the right amount. 288 00:11:49,354 --> 00:11:50,714 Speaker 1: But then they said that he said he wasn't going 289 00:11:50,754 --> 00:11:52,354 Speaker 1: to come back anyway because he had all of these 290 00:11:52,354 --> 00:11:54,994 Speaker 1: like jobs lined up, and he did seem for a 291 00:11:55,034 --> 00:11:57,154 Speaker 1: while that that he was Hollywood's big leading man, like 292 00:11:57,194 --> 00:11:58,754 Speaker 1: he hosted Saturday Night Live. 293 00:11:59,034 --> 00:12:01,154 Speaker 2: Yeah, off the back of one show which is No 294 00:12:01,194 --> 00:12:02,874 Speaker 2: One Unbelievable, And he was. 295 00:12:02,874 --> 00:12:04,554 Speaker 3: Also in talks to be the new Bond. There was 296 00:12:04,594 --> 00:12:06,234 Speaker 3: all the stuff about how he was a front runner 297 00:12:06,274 --> 00:12:06,874 Speaker 3: to be a Bond. 298 00:12:07,194 --> 00:12:10,234 Speaker 2: I do feel like any handsome man that wears a 299 00:12:10,274 --> 00:12:13,953 Speaker 2: suit well on a red carpet has Bond claims slung 300 00:12:13,954 --> 00:12:15,833 Speaker 2: it exactly great. 301 00:12:15,634 --> 00:12:16,874 Speaker 4: Though he'd be a great body. 302 00:12:16,874 --> 00:12:18,914 Speaker 1: I mean, I like to in the look, maybe not 303 00:12:19,034 --> 00:12:19,674 Speaker 1: in the delivery. 304 00:12:19,754 --> 00:12:19,994 Speaker 2: I mean. 305 00:12:20,194 --> 00:12:23,074 Speaker 1: The thing is, like, it's hard because he went away 306 00:12:23,074 --> 00:12:24,794 Speaker 1: to do all these big projects and there was so 307 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:27,314 Speaker 1: much buzz around him. And then his first movie that 308 00:12:27,354 --> 00:12:29,994 Speaker 1: came out, the Dungeons and Dragons movie. Did you see it? 309 00:12:30,434 --> 00:12:30,474 Speaker 6: No? 310 00:12:31,234 --> 00:12:37,194 Speaker 1: Free? Absolutely well, I saw it. It was bad, but everyone, 311 00:12:37,874 --> 00:12:39,754 Speaker 1: this is the problem. You saw it, so we didn't 312 00:12:39,794 --> 00:12:41,514 Speaker 1: have to Exactly. The thing is, I think he just 313 00:12:41,514 --> 00:12:44,434 Speaker 1: got some bad advice. And people say Hollywood is a gamble, 314 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:46,154 Speaker 1: like sometimes when you sign on to stuff, you just 315 00:12:46,194 --> 00:12:48,194 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to take off and what's not. 316 00:12:48,274 --> 00:12:50,914 Speaker 1: Because I think he thought with Dungeons and Dragons, because 317 00:12:50,914 --> 00:12:53,394 Speaker 1: that's already such a huge property, that that was going 318 00:12:53,434 --> 00:12:56,354 Speaker 1: to launch him into leading a franchise. But that movie 319 00:12:56,394 --> 00:12:58,834 Speaker 1: came out, people didn't love it, and it kind of 320 00:12:58,954 --> 00:13:00,994 Speaker 1: just forgotten very quickly. And then he did like a 321 00:13:01,074 --> 00:13:03,953 Speaker 1: Netflix series and that was forgotten very quickly, and then 322 00:13:03,954 --> 00:13:06,794 Speaker 1: there was just a long empty part of his IMDb 323 00:13:06,874 --> 00:13:09,274 Speaker 1: where like, I'm sure he was just in sorrow that 324 00:13:09,314 --> 00:13:11,954 Speaker 1: he'd walked away from Bridgington because the whole thing was 325 00:13:12,074 --> 00:13:14,434 Speaker 1: his thinking, which I kind of understand. He was like, 326 00:13:15,194 --> 00:13:17,394 Speaker 1: my career is so hot right now, people love me 327 00:13:17,474 --> 00:13:20,034 Speaker 1: after the first season of Bridgington. Why would I waste 328 00:13:20,114 --> 00:13:22,434 Speaker 1: six months of my life on the film shoot just 329 00:13:22,434 --> 00:13:24,274 Speaker 1: to be kind of in the background. 330 00:13:23,954 --> 00:13:29,354 Speaker 2: Total bench character from season two onwards, which is I 331 00:13:29,394 --> 00:13:30,034 Speaker 2: guess fair. 332 00:13:30,234 --> 00:13:30,474 Speaker 5: I know. 333 00:13:30,594 --> 00:13:32,514 Speaker 1: But then everyone's like, but Jonathan Bailey did it. He 334 00:13:32,594 --> 00:13:36,594 Speaker 1: did his doing Jurassic Come on, I know. Well, that's 335 00:13:36,594 --> 00:13:39,194 Speaker 1: the thing people kind of think is that Jonathan Bailey 336 00:13:39,354 --> 00:13:41,434 Speaker 1: has the career that Reggae would have had if he'd 337 00:13:41,474 --> 00:13:43,474 Speaker 1: stuck around. I agree with. 338 00:13:43,394 --> 00:13:44,194 Speaker 5: That, do you think so? 339 00:13:44,714 --> 00:13:45,074 Speaker 4: Well? 340 00:13:45,234 --> 00:13:48,474 Speaker 5: Not in that like Jonathan Stolen rolls out. 341 00:13:49,994 --> 00:13:54,274 Speaker 1: I don't think he was going to be can that 342 00:13:54,314 --> 00:13:55,594 Speaker 1: man sing? Do we know? Does what it is? 343 00:13:55,674 --> 00:13:58,474 Speaker 2: But I do think that with any kind of show 344 00:13:58,714 --> 00:14:00,833 Speaker 2: like Bridgitton, you do get one, you know, you get 345 00:14:00,834 --> 00:14:02,674 Speaker 2: the ones that are like the front runners, that get 346 00:14:02,674 --> 00:14:04,074 Speaker 2: those roles and become. 347 00:14:03,794 --> 00:14:04,754 Speaker 5: The leading man. You can't. 348 00:14:04,914 --> 00:14:07,914 Speaker 2: They can't all be a leading man, right Jonathan Bailey 349 00:14:07,994 --> 00:14:08,554 Speaker 2: is that guy? 350 00:14:09,274 --> 00:14:10,114 Speaker 1: Yeah? 351 00:14:10,154 --> 00:14:13,034 Speaker 2: And really maybe, like it's not like Reggae hasn't had 352 00:14:13,034 --> 00:14:16,034 Speaker 2: the chances. He's out there, he's auditioning, he's either not 353 00:14:16,154 --> 00:14:20,034 Speaker 2: getting them or the ones he's getting aren't translating. So well, 354 00:14:20,114 --> 00:14:22,394 Speaker 2: So do we love Reggae or do we just love 355 00:14:22,434 --> 00:14:22,794 Speaker 2: the Duke? 356 00:14:22,954 --> 00:14:24,554 Speaker 1: Well, that's my thing. I think it does come to 357 00:14:24,554 --> 00:14:27,754 Speaker 1: the fact people just love that character and that storyline, 358 00:14:28,074 --> 00:14:31,034 Speaker 1: and he's very smoldering in it. But please don't come 359 00:14:31,114 --> 00:14:33,314 Speaker 1: for me also change my dress off to this? Is 360 00:14:33,314 --> 00:14:35,154 Speaker 1: he that good in that part? I don't think he's 361 00:14:35,154 --> 00:14:37,234 Speaker 1: a great actor, But so lots of hot people in 362 00:14:37,274 --> 00:14:39,794 Speaker 1: Hollywood not great actors, and I don't hold against them. No, 363 00:14:39,914 --> 00:14:41,914 Speaker 1: I tend to agree with the place for just hotness 364 00:14:41,914 --> 00:14:42,754 Speaker 1: in the world. That's fine. 365 00:14:42,794 --> 00:14:44,434 Speaker 3: Well, and this is a situation where I do think 366 00:14:44,474 --> 00:14:49,274 Speaker 3: the hotness did a big lifts. 367 00:14:50,074 --> 00:14:51,394 Speaker 4: The hotness was working. 368 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:54,234 Speaker 3: I mean that role, like the Duke is almost a 369 00:14:54,274 --> 00:14:58,314 Speaker 3: modeling role in some ways. Yes, very prosy, we're smoldering, 370 00:14:58,434 --> 00:15:01,154 Speaker 3: we're doing the sexy shoots. I don't think it's like 371 00:15:01,314 --> 00:15:03,954 Speaker 3: one that you've got to really go method put it 372 00:15:03,954 --> 00:15:04,474 Speaker 3: that way. 373 00:15:04,834 --> 00:15:06,274 Speaker 4: To bring that character to life. 374 00:15:06,314 --> 00:15:08,514 Speaker 3: So whether that means you can translate to actually playing 375 00:15:08,554 --> 00:15:11,474 Speaker 3: other roles, I don't know. And I mean some could 376 00:15:11,474 --> 00:15:15,674 Speaker 3: say this rom com maybe doesn't require huge acting chops either. 377 00:15:15,754 --> 00:15:17,754 Speaker 1: All his hotness is like or come out of retirement 378 00:15:17,794 --> 00:15:18,954 Speaker 1: to do their heavy lifting again. 379 00:15:19,114 --> 00:15:20,954 Speaker 3: He came out of retirement in the trailer where his 380 00:15:21,034 --> 00:15:22,874 Speaker 3: abs are out and he's standing in the vineyards and 381 00:15:22,914 --> 00:15:25,314 Speaker 3: there's like water trickling down on him, and he was like, yeah, 382 00:15:25,314 --> 00:15:27,634 Speaker 3: I still got it, you know. Yeah, Well, his hotness 383 00:15:27,714 --> 00:15:29,834 Speaker 3: is well and truly coming out of retirement because he's 384 00:15:29,874 --> 00:15:32,594 Speaker 3: got another rather sexy project in the works at the moment, 385 00:15:32,714 --> 00:15:33,074 Speaker 3: doesn't he. 386 00:15:33,474 --> 00:15:35,834 Speaker 1: Yes, he's firmly back in the Netflix family, which I 387 00:15:35,834 --> 00:15:37,914 Speaker 1: guess is fair enough because that's where he found fame. 388 00:15:38,234 --> 00:15:40,954 Speaker 1: So Reggae is actually going to starr in and executive 389 00:15:40,994 --> 00:15:44,874 Speaker 1: produce new series called Hancock Park. So that series will 390 00:15:44,914 --> 00:15:47,954 Speaker 1: be about a Los Angeles high society family who is 391 00:15:47,954 --> 00:15:50,274 Speaker 1: struggling to hold onto their status, and all we know 392 00:15:50,394 --> 00:15:51,954 Speaker 1: right now about that is that it might be another 393 00:15:52,034 --> 00:15:54,194 Speaker 1: huge show for him on Netflix. I mean, look, give 394 00:15:54,194 --> 00:15:56,154 Speaker 1: that hotness an Academy Award because it is doing the 395 00:15:56,194 --> 00:15:58,354 Speaker 1: most work there. I do feel like people really like 396 00:15:58,434 --> 00:16:00,314 Speaker 1: mock and laugh at him, which I feel bad for 397 00:16:00,354 --> 00:16:03,634 Speaker 1: the hot man that feel that bad people kind of 398 00:16:03,674 --> 00:16:06,754 Speaker 1: acting like his career tanks, but also that first burst 399 00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:08,874 Speaker 1: of fame, like You've got to really make the right 400 00:16:08,994 --> 00:16:10,714 Speaker 1: choice there, and I think a lot of people don't. 401 00:16:10,754 --> 00:16:12,714 Speaker 1: And I'm wonder if all the people around him will, like, 402 00:16:12,754 --> 00:16:14,754 Speaker 1: don't go back to Bridgeton. It takes you out of 403 00:16:14,754 --> 00:16:17,234 Speaker 1: the game for six months to barely be in it. 404 00:16:17,554 --> 00:16:19,874 Speaker 1: Go and star in this big franchise, which for anyone 405 00:16:19,874 --> 00:16:21,674 Speaker 1: else would be a safe bet because I mean, the 406 00:16:21,754 --> 00:16:24,354 Speaker 1: Jurassic Park movie was pretty terrible that Jonathan Bailey was in, 407 00:16:24,394 --> 00:16:26,314 Speaker 1: and he's not good in it, but he had kind 408 00:16:26,314 --> 00:16:28,114 Speaker 1: of enough goodwill to push past that. 409 00:16:28,674 --> 00:16:31,794 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting that he's gonna star with Hallie 410 00:16:31,874 --> 00:16:34,274 Speaker 3: Bailey in this from Colon because she's had a similar 411 00:16:34,274 --> 00:16:36,874 Speaker 3: sort of trajectory in terms of having that big breakout 412 00:16:36,954 --> 00:16:38,394 Speaker 3: role with the Little Mermaid. 413 00:16:38,234 --> 00:16:40,074 Speaker 4: And she didn't do a lot before that. I knew 414 00:16:40,114 --> 00:16:40,634 Speaker 4: of I know, she. 415 00:16:40,634 --> 00:16:43,034 Speaker 3: Had a YouTube duo, like she was doing music with 416 00:16:43,074 --> 00:16:45,154 Speaker 3: her sister Chloe and they had a duo and that 417 00:16:45,314 --> 00:16:47,394 Speaker 3: was big on YouTube, But I hadn't seen her in 418 00:16:47,434 --> 00:16:50,314 Speaker 3: anything mainstream before that. So it's sort of interesting that 419 00:16:50,394 --> 00:16:53,354 Speaker 3: she was much like him, seemed to be destined for 420 00:16:53,714 --> 00:16:56,274 Speaker 3: success in the Hollywood world, and then it doesn't quite 421 00:16:56,314 --> 00:16:57,514 Speaker 3: seem to have turned out that way? 422 00:16:57,594 --> 00:16:59,194 Speaker 4: Does it up up until now? Anyway? 423 00:16:59,394 --> 00:17:01,314 Speaker 1: Her story, I feel like, is it more of a 424 00:17:01,394 --> 00:17:03,354 Speaker 1: kind of a serious one of kind of like what 425 00:17:03,394 --> 00:17:05,954 Speaker 1: can happen to young women at Spotlight? As a side note, 426 00:17:05,954 --> 00:17:07,714 Speaker 1: I feel like it's really surprising that you didn't know 427 00:17:07,754 --> 00:17:09,634 Speaker 1: who Halle Bailey was before this, because you do see 428 00:17:09,714 --> 00:17:10,874 Speaker 1: like the target markets. 429 00:17:10,994 --> 00:17:14,194 Speaker 3: Gaps in my knowledge, I do understand why you would 430 00:17:14,194 --> 00:17:15,194 Speaker 3: say that though. 431 00:17:15,594 --> 00:17:18,034 Speaker 1: She's like squarely in that kind of like teen music part. 432 00:17:18,314 --> 00:17:19,994 Speaker 1: Did you guys see the live action Little Mermaid? 433 00:17:20,074 --> 00:17:20,274 Speaker 3: Yeah? 434 00:17:21,274 --> 00:17:23,354 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought she was incredible. But there was such 435 00:17:23,434 --> 00:17:26,274 Speaker 1: backlash for many reasons. Obviously, the terrible one was that 436 00:17:26,514 --> 00:17:27,874 Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, we don't want a 437 00:17:27,874 --> 00:17:31,114 Speaker 1: woman of color playing this role. That's not historically accurate. 438 00:17:31,234 --> 00:17:34,154 Speaker 1: To the fictional mermaid character that she is, and also 439 00:17:34,234 --> 00:17:36,434 Speaker 1: people saying that she just like had been given it 440 00:17:36,474 --> 00:17:39,354 Speaker 1: as like kind of a like a woke kind of thing, 441 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:41,114 Speaker 1: and that she wasn't a good actress, even though the 442 00:17:41,154 --> 00:17:43,513 Speaker 1: directors said that they saw so many people for the 443 00:17:43,594 --> 00:17:45,794 Speaker 1: role over and over again, they kept coming back to her, 444 00:17:46,394 --> 00:17:47,754 Speaker 1: and I thought she was really great. 445 00:17:47,874 --> 00:17:51,514 Speaker 2: She was actually incredible, and her voice is so beautiful. 446 00:17:51,714 --> 00:17:54,074 Speaker 2: I don't know how anyone who saw that and heard 447 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,914 Speaker 2: her sing part of your World didn't walk away and go, 448 00:17:56,994 --> 00:17:59,114 Speaker 2: you know what, she deserved this role because she was 449 00:17:59,394 --> 00:18:00,194 Speaker 2: beautiful in it. 450 00:18:00,274 --> 00:18:02,074 Speaker 3: I'm convinced a lot of the backlash was from people 451 00:18:02,074 --> 00:18:03,874 Speaker 3: who didn't even see the movie, because even when they 452 00:18:03,914 --> 00:18:06,634 Speaker 3: announced that casting, everyone was like, but you know, in 453 00:18:06,634 --> 00:18:10,033 Speaker 3: the Quintus and Jewel animation, like the animated half fish 454 00:18:10,074 --> 00:18:11,394 Speaker 3: woman was whitey. 455 00:18:11,954 --> 00:18:14,474 Speaker 1: Anyway, there's a lot of plotholes there. I also wonder 456 00:18:14,514 --> 00:18:16,634 Speaker 1: if she because she's got a really beautiful singing voice 457 00:18:16,674 --> 00:18:18,874 Speaker 1: and she's so good on screen, but I feel like 458 00:18:18,914 --> 00:18:22,234 Speaker 1: she doesn't have that kind of big movie star personality 459 00:18:22,234 --> 00:18:24,594 Speaker 1: that do we demand from actors on press tours Now, 460 00:18:24,634 --> 00:18:26,754 Speaker 1: to go on a press tour and like tell these 461 00:18:26,794 --> 00:18:29,114 Speaker 1: crazy stories or like be really over the top or 462 00:18:29,154 --> 00:18:31,754 Speaker 1: have these little gimmicks. And I remember when I interviewed 463 00:18:31,754 --> 00:18:33,513 Speaker 1: her and a lot of other people Jones interviewed her, 464 00:18:33,514 --> 00:18:37,114 Speaker 1: she was just like very quiet, very reserved, quite overwhelmed, 465 00:18:37,154 --> 00:18:38,874 Speaker 1: as you would be. When I interviewed her as her 466 00:18:38,874 --> 00:18:41,754 Speaker 1: and Melissa McCarthy together. She was polite, but she was 467 00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:44,594 Speaker 1: looking down. She kept looking over to Melissa before she answered. 468 00:18:44,914 --> 00:18:46,793 Speaker 1: She'd kind of do like a little nervous laugh. And 469 00:18:46,874 --> 00:18:50,634 Speaker 1: I just wonder if, like, because TikTok and social sells 470 00:18:50,674 --> 00:18:53,234 Speaker 1: movies now in such a way, because she was shy 471 00:18:53,274 --> 00:18:55,234 Speaker 1: on the press tour, she was kind of punished for 472 00:18:55,274 --> 00:18:55,793 Speaker 1: it a little bit. 473 00:18:55,914 --> 00:18:56,114 Speaker 3: You know. 474 00:18:56,434 --> 00:18:59,274 Speaker 2: I had a similar experience interviewing her as well, and 475 00:18:59,754 --> 00:19:02,754 Speaker 2: I felt actually she was just so nervous to say 476 00:19:02,754 --> 00:19:03,554 Speaker 2: the wrong thing. 477 00:19:03,474 --> 00:19:04,954 Speaker 1: Because she had been so attacked. 478 00:19:05,434 --> 00:19:08,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think going intowenty things where you are 479 00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:11,034 Speaker 2: on the world stage like that and you've already been 480 00:19:11,594 --> 00:19:16,034 Speaker 2: teared down, it's so overwhelming for a young woman particularly, 481 00:19:16,314 --> 00:19:18,194 Speaker 2: And I think we've seen the same with Rachel Ziegler 482 00:19:18,434 --> 00:19:22,114 Speaker 2: with Snow White. I kind of actually feel like, and 483 00:19:22,154 --> 00:19:24,794 Speaker 2: I love a live action Disney movie, so I don't 484 00:19:24,794 --> 00:19:27,394 Speaker 2: want them to stop, because I do personally enjoy them, really, 485 00:19:27,634 --> 00:19:30,234 Speaker 2: but I don't know if they're the best for the 486 00:19:30,274 --> 00:19:33,154 Speaker 2: careers of the actresses that score those princess roles. 487 00:19:33,274 --> 00:19:35,394 Speaker 1: I do wonder if that's kind of the vibe now, 488 00:19:35,394 --> 00:19:37,434 Speaker 1: because at first it felt like the golden ticket, like 489 00:19:37,594 --> 00:19:39,273 Speaker 1: you get in a Disney live action that's going to 490 00:19:39,354 --> 00:19:41,954 Speaker 1: launch your career. It's a sure fire bet. And now 491 00:19:41,994 --> 00:19:43,754 Speaker 1: because people have such like you're saying, it has such 492 00:19:43,754 --> 00:19:46,754 Speaker 1: a hold over these fictional characters, there's no way to 493 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:49,114 Speaker 1: please everyone with the way you interpret it, especially because 494 00:19:49,154 --> 00:19:51,434 Speaker 1: they want to stick to these really old school fairy 495 00:19:51,474 --> 00:19:53,874 Speaker 1: tales and people don't love the new ways that they're 496 00:19:53,914 --> 00:19:54,594 Speaker 1: being done. 497 00:19:54,914 --> 00:19:57,314 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she really went through it as well because 498 00:19:57,354 --> 00:19:59,874 Speaker 3: she got pregnant and not that long after, and she 499 00:20:00,114 --> 00:20:02,274 Speaker 3: got a lot of backlash during that phase as well. 500 00:20:02,314 --> 00:20:04,474 Speaker 3: In the people were really mad that she kept the 501 00:20:04,474 --> 00:20:07,714 Speaker 3: pregnancy to herself, and we're sort of coming her being like, 502 00:20:07,754 --> 00:20:10,594 Speaker 3: you were gas lighting us and lying to us because 503 00:20:10,594 --> 00:20:13,114 Speaker 3: she didn't announce the pregnancy. She waited till the birth 504 00:20:13,114 --> 00:20:15,674 Speaker 3: of her child, which I believe was in January last year, 505 00:20:16,234 --> 00:20:16,714 Speaker 3: and that. 506 00:20:16,634 --> 00:20:17,394 Speaker 4: Was quite strange. 507 00:20:17,474 --> 00:20:19,714 Speaker 3: The reaction that she got from that seemed like it 508 00:20:19,714 --> 00:20:21,834 Speaker 3: seems like a very big reaction to something that isn't 509 00:20:21,874 --> 00:20:22,994 Speaker 3: that huge of a deal. 510 00:20:23,234 --> 00:20:24,954 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were all these things around and one pa, 511 00:20:24,994 --> 00:20:27,513 Speaker 1: You're right, people being really angry because it kind of 512 00:20:27,674 --> 00:20:29,833 Speaker 1: leaked that she was pregnant a few months before she 513 00:20:29,874 --> 00:20:32,354 Speaker 1: gave birth, which again, that's kind of horrific having that 514 00:20:32,394 --> 00:20:35,273 Speaker 1: out there. So her Instagram pages and no social pages were 515 00:20:35,274 --> 00:20:37,434 Speaker 1: feeling on people saying, we know you're pregnant, stop hiding it, 516 00:20:37,434 --> 00:20:39,994 Speaker 1: stopping ashamed, just tell us. There were all these blind 517 00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:42,394 Speaker 1: items written about it, and then when she did say 518 00:20:42,394 --> 00:20:43,793 Speaker 1: she had a baby, there was this kind of like 519 00:20:43,994 --> 00:20:46,954 Speaker 1: backlash from fans saying, you've let us down. You were 520 00:20:46,954 --> 00:20:49,114 Speaker 1: meant to be this big star. She wasn't a teen, 521 00:20:49,194 --> 00:20:51,553 Speaker 1: but like you're promoting like, you know, young pregnancy and 522 00:20:51,594 --> 00:20:54,033 Speaker 1: women giving up their lives to become a mother, like 523 00:20:54,394 --> 00:20:56,914 Speaker 1: all these kind of things. Basically, people felt betrayed that 524 00:20:56,994 --> 00:20:59,394 Speaker 1: she didn't tell them, and they felt betrayed that she 525 00:20:59,434 --> 00:21:01,513 Speaker 1: had had a baby at all. And I feel like 526 00:21:01,514 --> 00:21:03,714 Speaker 1: she just stepped completely back from the spotlight and was like, 527 00:21:03,754 --> 00:21:04,874 Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with this. 528 00:21:05,154 --> 00:21:06,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like she's gone through a lot 529 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:09,074 Speaker 3: for having sort of had this one main, big movie 530 00:21:09,074 --> 00:21:10,314 Speaker 3: where she was in the mainstream. 531 00:21:10,474 --> 00:21:11,194 Speaker 4: She's copped alone. 532 00:21:11,234 --> 00:21:13,634 Speaker 3: She's spoken out about it and basically said, like, I've 533 00:21:13,714 --> 00:21:16,273 Speaker 3: learned from that spotlight over the past few years. If 534 00:21:16,314 --> 00:21:17,394 Speaker 3: I'm being honest, I've been. 535 00:21:17,314 --> 00:21:18,954 Speaker 4: Burned by it too, as we all have. 536 00:21:19,354 --> 00:21:20,994 Speaker 3: And then she sort of said, you know, I didn't 537 00:21:21,034 --> 00:21:23,434 Speaker 3: want to talk about my perfect little baby because that 538 00:21:23,474 --> 00:21:25,114 Speaker 3: was like my happy place and I didn't want to 539 00:21:25,274 --> 00:21:27,194 Speaker 3: sort of put that up and expose that to the 540 00:21:27,234 --> 00:21:29,434 Speaker 3: world to also be torn down in a way. So 541 00:21:29,834 --> 00:21:31,793 Speaker 3: she has really been through it, and I hope that 542 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:34,554 Speaker 3: this movie could maybe be a step towards like. 543 00:21:34,514 --> 00:21:36,434 Speaker 1: A nice I feel like she just needed a bit 544 00:21:36,434 --> 00:21:38,554 Speaker 1: of time to I mean, again, once we get this person, 545 00:21:38,594 --> 00:21:40,074 Speaker 1: we don't know, but it's like, of course, you're not 546 00:21:40,114 --> 00:21:41,634 Speaker 1: going to tell people you're pregnant when they're the same 547 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:43,833 Speaker 1: people who were tearing you down. And then she had 548 00:21:43,834 --> 00:21:45,954 Speaker 1: to get a restraining order art against the father of 549 00:21:45,954 --> 00:21:49,553 Speaker 1: her baby because he physically assaulted her multiple times, and 550 00:21:49,554 --> 00:21:52,034 Speaker 1: there's all these other allegations that are in the court papers, 551 00:21:52,074 --> 00:21:54,594 Speaker 1: but that was a huge thing. So again I feel 552 00:21:54,634 --> 00:21:56,914 Speaker 1: like there's a whole fan of people who've now seen 553 00:21:56,914 --> 00:21:58,313 Speaker 1: this movie. I know we were laughing at it, but 554 00:21:58,314 --> 00:21:59,754 Speaker 1: we're all like, we're all going to see it obviously, 555 00:21:59,794 --> 00:22:02,954 Speaker 1: probably multiple times. I think it's nice that she's not 556 00:22:02,954 --> 00:22:04,034 Speaker 1: come out on the other side of it, because we 557 00:22:04,074 --> 00:22:05,994 Speaker 1: don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But I think 558 00:22:05,994 --> 00:22:08,194 Speaker 1: it's nice that she's sort of was able to step 559 00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:11,194 Speaker 1: away from the Spotlight deal with her personal staff, hopefully 560 00:22:11,234 --> 00:22:13,514 Speaker 1: step away from all these haters, and then come back 561 00:22:13,554 --> 00:22:15,434 Speaker 1: and be able to go make a big screen movie 562 00:22:15,474 --> 00:22:17,674 Speaker 1: and work on other projects and maybe release music. 563 00:22:18,154 --> 00:22:19,994 Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe this will be the I don't know 564 00:22:20,074 --> 00:22:20,954 Speaker 4: if I should say come. 565 00:22:20,914 --> 00:22:24,914 Speaker 2: Back, because I guess hasn't been that stepping stone. And 566 00:22:24,954 --> 00:22:26,634 Speaker 2: I do really want the best for her because I 567 00:22:26,634 --> 00:22:29,714 Speaker 2: think she's talented, she's gorgeous, and I would love to 568 00:22:29,794 --> 00:22:30,674 Speaker 2: see her in more. 569 00:22:30,954 --> 00:22:33,314 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she got to kiss Reggae. I mean that's great. 570 00:22:33,634 --> 00:22:35,554 Speaker 1: The drag she's had a lovely time and he's just 571 00:22:35,594 --> 00:22:37,234 Speaker 1: there with his hotness. The two of them on the 572 00:22:37,274 --> 00:22:39,434 Speaker 1: press two I think might be fun. Maybe they'll be 573 00:22:39,474 --> 00:22:41,914 Speaker 1: less kind of they've already been through these two traumatic 574 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,914 Speaker 1: like different markers of their career. Maybe this time. They 575 00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:46,674 Speaker 1: just have a lovely time with their rom com. 576 00:22:46,754 --> 00:22:48,434 Speaker 4: Yeah, they might bring out the fun side of each other. 577 00:22:48,714 --> 00:22:50,513 Speaker 4: We never know, but we'll be front row anyway. 578 00:22:50,554 --> 00:22:54,793 Speaker 1: We will. And doesn't love love, Yeah, especially in Tuscany. Yeah, 579 00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:59,634 Speaker 1: absolutely so. Elizabeth Olson is on the press trail for 580 00:22:59,714 --> 00:23:02,194 Speaker 1: her new movie Eternity at the moment. More of that 581 00:23:02,234 --> 00:23:04,434 Speaker 1: to come on the Spill later this week. In a 582 00:23:04,474 --> 00:23:07,313 Speaker 1: new interview with The Times, she was asked about her 583 00:23:07,314 --> 00:23:09,914 Speaker 1: family and her childhood and how she grew up, and 584 00:23:09,994 --> 00:23:12,593 Speaker 1: she talked about being the youngest of four. So if 585 00:23:12,634 --> 00:23:15,114 Speaker 1: anyone's not across, Elizabeth Olsen is the youngest of the 586 00:23:15,154 --> 00:23:18,273 Speaker 1: Olsen children. So we have James, and I only know 587 00:23:18,354 --> 00:23:21,634 Speaker 1: his name because of the defunct's clothing line, Elizabeth and James. 588 00:23:21,874 --> 00:23:24,714 Speaker 1: But I'm sure he's having a lovely time at the spotlight, 589 00:23:24,994 --> 00:23:28,553 Speaker 1: letting his famous sisters shine. But most notably her older 590 00:23:28,594 --> 00:23:31,794 Speaker 1: sisters are the Olsen twins, Mary, Kate and Ashley. So 591 00:23:31,834 --> 00:23:33,474 Speaker 1: she doesn't talk about them too much, but they do 592 00:23:33,554 --> 00:23:35,874 Speaker 1: come up in interviews, and I think she's sometimes got 593 00:23:35,874 --> 00:23:38,914 Speaker 1: some very set answers prepared. So she was talking about 594 00:23:38,954 --> 00:23:41,714 Speaker 1: growing up as the youngest of the kids and how 595 00:23:41,754 --> 00:23:44,914 Speaker 1: it was very calm, and how she didn't want to 596 00:23:44,914 --> 00:23:47,874 Speaker 1: get into acting immediately and stayed out of the spotlight 597 00:23:47,874 --> 00:23:50,114 Speaker 1: as a kid, especially because she was watching her sisters 598 00:23:50,514 --> 00:23:52,674 Speaker 1: be on Full House and they'd make twenty movies and 599 00:23:52,714 --> 00:23:54,434 Speaker 1: have a clothing line and kind of be these big 600 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:57,033 Speaker 1: moguls at the age of five. And this is the 601 00:23:57,034 --> 00:23:59,314 Speaker 1: line that's been pulled out that a lot of outlets 602 00:23:59,314 --> 00:24:01,034 Speaker 1: are running with. I guess to make it sound like 603 00:24:01,074 --> 00:24:04,033 Speaker 1: there's like a bit of drama behind the scenes, is 604 00:24:04,074 --> 00:24:06,794 Speaker 1: she said that her twin sisters were forced to support 605 00:24:06,834 --> 00:24:09,594 Speaker 1: her in career early on. If you look at the headlines, 606 00:24:09,674 --> 00:24:11,874 Speaker 1: it looks like they were forced to put her in movies, 607 00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:14,714 Speaker 1: forced to like support her, you know, give her money, 608 00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:16,033 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. But if you read the 609 00:24:16,034 --> 00:24:17,994 Speaker 1: full interview, it's like they were forced to come to 610 00:24:18,034 --> 00:24:20,874 Speaker 1: my school plays and talks about them being very supportive. 611 00:24:21,314 --> 00:24:23,234 Speaker 1: But I guess Olsen twins is like a lightning rod 612 00:24:23,274 --> 00:24:24,194 Speaker 1: for gossip, right. 613 00:24:24,234 --> 00:24:26,794 Speaker 2: Of course, and every time she does an interview, she's 614 00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:29,074 Speaker 2: going to be asked about her famous sisters. It's the 615 00:24:29,114 --> 00:24:33,474 Speaker 2: connection that everyone anchors her to and it's like a 616 00:24:33,674 --> 00:24:36,434 Speaker 2: child of famous actors, you know, as soon as they 617 00:24:36,634 --> 00:24:38,594 Speaker 2: are in front of an interviewer, they going to ask 618 00:24:38,634 --> 00:24:41,074 Speaker 2: about what it was like growing up with famous mom 619 00:24:41,114 --> 00:24:43,514 Speaker 2: and dad. Well, in this case, it's the Olsen twins 620 00:24:43,594 --> 00:24:47,994 Speaker 2: who were on our screens since, like, my whole childhood 621 00:24:48,034 --> 00:24:50,354 Speaker 2: was watching the Elson twins, So I want to know 622 00:24:50,434 --> 00:24:53,514 Speaker 2: about them. I can't blame others, you know, I've interviewed 623 00:24:53,554 --> 00:24:56,954 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Olson myself, and of course, of course I asked 624 00:24:56,954 --> 00:24:57,714 Speaker 2: for gossip. 625 00:24:57,434 --> 00:24:58,114 Speaker 5: About the twins? 626 00:24:58,154 --> 00:24:58,674 Speaker 1: Did she give you? 627 00:24:58,714 --> 00:24:59,234 Speaker 5: And you want to know? 628 00:24:59,634 --> 00:25:01,634 Speaker 4: I mean, you know a little bit. 629 00:25:01,674 --> 00:25:04,834 Speaker 2: They're her sisters, but you're not going to get like major, major, 630 00:25:04,914 --> 00:25:07,674 Speaker 2: major gossip from her. She knows what she is doing. 631 00:25:08,914 --> 00:25:10,674 Speaker 2: But I do think this is interesting and I think 632 00:25:10,674 --> 00:25:13,354 Speaker 2: for the times to pull this out and to say, oh, 633 00:25:13,434 --> 00:25:15,634 Speaker 2: she was you know, they were forced to support her, 634 00:25:16,194 --> 00:25:18,594 Speaker 2: I mean, well by going to her plays. 635 00:25:18,634 --> 00:25:21,754 Speaker 1: But yeah, isn't that just what siblings do? Yeah, I 636 00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:24,074 Speaker 1: think it's very much. We're just even more desperate to 637 00:25:24,114 --> 00:25:26,834 Speaker 1: know about this famous family than other famous families, because 638 00:25:26,834 --> 00:25:29,594 Speaker 1: I think there's other families where there's like whole deficitism 639 00:25:29,634 --> 00:25:30,994 Speaker 1: thing of like the mum and the kids or the 640 00:25:30,994 --> 00:25:33,634 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, but they're all doing interviews. They're all 641 00:25:33,634 --> 00:25:35,793 Speaker 1: on red carpets, they're all sharing things on Instagram, so 642 00:25:35,914 --> 00:25:38,674 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel as scandalous. But the Awesome Twins have 643 00:25:38,714 --> 00:25:43,434 Speaker 1: disappeared so incredibly well from view. They don't do interviews, 644 00:25:43,474 --> 00:25:45,954 Speaker 1: even like for their fashion label, The Row, it's like, 645 00:25:45,994 --> 00:25:49,114 Speaker 1: no cameras at the fashion shows, no images come out. 646 00:25:49,434 --> 00:25:52,634 Speaker 1: They've rarely seen around New York, They've rarely seen at events. 647 00:25:52,634 --> 00:25:55,274 Speaker 1: They don't post on social so I think the first 648 00:25:55,394 --> 00:25:57,114 Speaker 1: information about them is so intense. 649 00:25:57,194 --> 00:26:00,313 Speaker 2: There's that intriguing Yeah, right, Well it's interesting because I 650 00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:04,834 Speaker 2: think now they're definitely fashion designers before they are actors, 651 00:26:04,874 --> 00:26:06,594 Speaker 2: whereas they grew up being actors. 652 00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:08,714 Speaker 5: But people change what they want to do. 653 00:26:09,274 --> 00:26:12,034 Speaker 3: And I guess now with Elizabeth being out doing the press, 654 00:26:12,074 --> 00:26:14,794 Speaker 3: to her, she's like this pipeline of like secret information 655 00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:17,234 Speaker 3: to them because everyone's been wondering what the ins and 656 00:26:17,274 --> 00:26:19,394 Speaker 3: outs their lives are like for so long. Even though 657 00:26:19,434 --> 00:26:21,914 Speaker 3: she always says like growing up, she tried very hard 658 00:26:21,954 --> 00:26:23,994 Speaker 3: to sort of keep it separate, and she was always like, 659 00:26:23,994 --> 00:26:25,594 Speaker 3: if I make it as an actress, I don't want 660 00:26:25,594 --> 00:26:28,234 Speaker 3: to be Elizabeth Olson. I want to be Elizabeth Chase, 661 00:26:28,314 --> 00:26:30,394 Speaker 3: like her middle name to sort of keep that separation 662 00:26:30,594 --> 00:26:31,914 Speaker 3: and not be a nepo's sister. 663 00:26:32,194 --> 00:26:36,314 Speaker 1: I hate when I just say that. Again. The thing is, 664 00:26:36,434 --> 00:26:38,754 Speaker 1: you can't actually hide who you are, so I know that. 665 00:26:38,794 --> 00:26:40,434 Speaker 1: Part of the interview, she says that she was always 666 00:26:40,474 --> 00:26:43,874 Speaker 1: going to audition as Elizabeth Chase. Here's the thing is, 667 00:26:43,914 --> 00:26:46,674 Speaker 1: like everyone knows that she's Elizabeth Olson. It's like when 668 00:26:46,714 --> 00:26:49,634 Speaker 1: Kate Winsley was talking about her daughter Mia getting her 669 00:26:49,674 --> 00:26:52,634 Speaker 1: first big acting role and she's booking all these TV 670 00:26:52,714 --> 00:26:54,754 Speaker 1: shows and movies. And when Kate was asked about it, 671 00:26:54,754 --> 00:26:57,234 Speaker 1: she was very proud, of course being a mum, but 672 00:26:57,634 --> 00:26:59,674 Speaker 1: she said, oh, it's a great thing about it is 673 00:26:59,674 --> 00:27:02,554 Speaker 1: that she's a different last name to me, so no 674 00:27:02,594 --> 00:27:04,353 Speaker 1: one knew who she was. And I was like, Kate, one, 675 00:27:04,674 --> 00:27:07,314 Speaker 1: I know what your daughter's name is, and that's only 676 00:27:07,354 --> 00:27:09,874 Speaker 1: a real weird parasocial like I know that your daughter's 677 00:27:09,914 --> 00:27:11,954 Speaker 1: name is Mia Threpleton. And if I know that, you're 678 00:27:11,994 --> 00:27:13,994 Speaker 1: telling me that because her father's a famous director. Again, 679 00:27:14,034 --> 00:27:15,674 Speaker 1: so you've got nippowing on two sides. 680 00:27:15,754 --> 00:27:17,754 Speaker 3: You also like, maybe that would help her with getting 681 00:27:17,754 --> 00:27:20,194 Speaker 3: auditions anyway, you could introduce her at a party. 682 00:27:20,234 --> 00:27:21,274 Speaker 4: It's not all about the name. 683 00:27:21,594 --> 00:27:23,474 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I'm sure people know what she looks like, 684 00:27:23,554 --> 00:27:25,554 Speaker 1: so understand why they do it. Because everyone wants to 685 00:27:25,554 --> 00:27:26,874 Speaker 1: be like they earned on their own, they did on 686 00:27:26,914 --> 00:27:29,434 Speaker 1: their own, or like Matthew McConaughey recently saying that his 687 00:27:29,634 --> 00:27:32,674 Speaker 1: son LEVI got a role in his movie because he 688 00:27:32,714 --> 00:27:34,994 Speaker 1: auditioned under a fake name. And again, I'm like, so, 689 00:27:35,074 --> 00:27:36,754 Speaker 1: I'm not a stalker about you take your son on 690 00:27:36,794 --> 00:27:38,634 Speaker 1: red carpets all the time if I know what your 691 00:27:38,634 --> 00:27:40,874 Speaker 1: son looks like. The Producers is a movie you've been 692 00:27:40,914 --> 00:27:43,714 Speaker 1: working out for years and directors know exactly. 693 00:27:44,554 --> 00:27:52,313 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because also Elizabeth Olson looks like her sisters. 694 00:27:50,394 --> 00:27:52,274 Speaker 1: The spitting image of her twin sisters. 695 00:27:52,354 --> 00:27:53,793 Speaker 5: I don't think there's any hiding in it. She can 696 00:27:53,874 --> 00:27:56,634 Speaker 5: choose whatever last name she wants. She's an Olson through 697 00:27:56,674 --> 00:27:57,034 Speaker 5: and through. 698 00:27:57,554 --> 00:28:00,154 Speaker 2: It is interesting what you say about the sibling thing, 699 00:28:00,274 --> 00:28:03,553 Speaker 2: because I feel the same about the Culkins, right, so 700 00:28:03,634 --> 00:28:06,834 Speaker 2: obviously when you know, because McCaulay went into hiding a 701 00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,714 Speaker 2: bit of well like the Olsen twins did. But then, 702 00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:12,994 Speaker 2: of course, Kieran's had this illustrious career ever since. He's 703 00:28:13,034 --> 00:28:17,033 Speaker 2: a loose cannon, unlike Elizabeth so you know, you can 704 00:28:17,074 --> 00:28:18,434 Speaker 2: ask him anything and he'll blab. 705 00:28:18,634 --> 00:28:20,794 Speaker 5: But it is interesting with the sibling thing. 706 00:28:21,034 --> 00:28:24,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it sometimes works just as much as 707 00:28:24,154 --> 00:28:26,914 Speaker 1: being the NEPO baby of famous parents. And I don't 708 00:28:26,954 --> 00:28:29,114 Speaker 1: think it like it's gonna make or break your career. 709 00:28:29,114 --> 00:28:31,074 Speaker 1: I think you still have to get on the set 710 00:28:31,114 --> 00:28:33,674 Speaker 1: and do a good performance and carry a franchise or 711 00:28:33,714 --> 00:28:35,354 Speaker 1: carry a movie. But it all gets you in the 712 00:28:35,434 --> 00:28:37,513 Speaker 1: room and that's the hardest part. And the thing with 713 00:28:37,554 --> 00:28:39,554 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Olson is I would never have sort of even 714 00:28:39,714 --> 00:28:41,514 Speaker 1: like this would have entered my head if she hadn't 715 00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:43,234 Speaker 1: sort of brought it up and said like I was 716 00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:45,394 Speaker 1: going to hide my identity, but I didn't. 717 00:28:45,674 --> 00:28:47,274 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bit of an art to being a 718 00:28:47,314 --> 00:28:49,754 Speaker 3: NEPO baby or a nepo sibling, I think, And it's 719 00:28:49,834 --> 00:28:53,194 Speaker 3: not going to be extreme of wanting that separation because 720 00:28:53,314 --> 00:28:54,914 Speaker 3: some people carry it very well. I mean, like with 721 00:28:54,954 --> 00:28:57,234 Speaker 3: el Fanning and Dakota Fanning. At the time when she 722 00:28:57,314 --> 00:28:59,434 Speaker 3: was becoming famous, I probably thought of el Fanning as 723 00:28:59,474 --> 00:29:01,354 Speaker 3: Dakota's younger sister, but now I just think of el 724 00:29:01,434 --> 00:29:02,394 Speaker 3: Fanning as el Fanny. 725 00:29:02,514 --> 00:29:04,394 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just think there's. 726 00:29:04,194 --> 00:29:05,794 Speaker 3: A bit of an art to how you navigate it, 727 00:29:05,834 --> 00:29:08,434 Speaker 3: because if you don't go ham on the fact that 728 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:11,194 Speaker 3: you wanted that separation, people are less likely to critique 729 00:29:11,194 --> 00:29:11,554 Speaker 3: you for it. 730 00:29:11,674 --> 00:29:13,794 Speaker 2: How do you feel about Elizabeth now? Because I do 731 00:29:13,954 --> 00:29:16,354 Speaker 2: see her as Elizabeth Olsoon the actress. I know that 732 00:29:16,434 --> 00:29:20,514 Speaker 2: she is the Olsen Twins sister, but she's had quite 733 00:29:20,554 --> 00:29:21,314 Speaker 2: a decent career. 734 00:29:21,794 --> 00:29:23,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, I feel like there's enough separation there, 735 00:29:23,954 --> 00:29:26,594 Speaker 3: especially because they're so in this fashion world now that 736 00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:28,474 Speaker 3: it's not like, oh, their movie's coming out and her 737 00:29:28,474 --> 00:29:31,154 Speaker 3: movie's coming out. It's there's quite a bit of distinction exactly. 738 00:29:31,234 --> 00:29:33,354 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I see her as a standalone actress now 739 00:29:33,394 --> 00:29:35,234 Speaker 1: because again, I think the MEPO thing gets you a 740 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,194 Speaker 1: few roles, but it doesn't kind of elevate you to 741 00:29:38,234 --> 00:29:41,234 Speaker 1: where she is now without having that level of talent. 742 00:29:41,674 --> 00:29:44,234 Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting because she drops little things about 743 00:29:44,234 --> 00:29:47,394 Speaker 1: her sisters, but I think she's a lot more reserved now. 744 00:29:47,514 --> 00:29:49,314 Speaker 1: Like I think people are pulling this out just because 745 00:29:49,354 --> 00:29:51,634 Speaker 1: they're hungry for any kind of information. But do you 746 00:29:51,634 --> 00:29:53,554 Speaker 1: guys remember when she's on a talk show or a podcast, 747 00:29:53,594 --> 00:29:55,754 Speaker 1: they asked her, like, which of her sisters she's closest 748 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,474 Speaker 1: to and I remember listening and I was like, oh, 749 00:29:57,474 --> 00:29:59,114 Speaker 1: she's not going to answer that, and she goes, well, 750 00:29:59,194 --> 00:30:01,154 Speaker 1: let's just say it was just my birthday and Ashley 751 00:30:01,154 --> 00:30:04,994 Speaker 1: text me and Mary Kate didn't, and that's I've got 752 00:30:04,994 --> 00:30:07,394 Speaker 1: two sisters would say that. But like I'm remember that 753 00:30:07,434 --> 00:30:09,994 Speaker 1: really blowing up into a thing of like Ashley is 754 00:30:10,034 --> 00:30:12,714 Speaker 1: the favorite sister and like Mary Kate and Elizabeth don't 755 00:30:12,714 --> 00:30:14,834 Speaker 1: get along. I'm sure afterwards she was like, oh my god, 756 00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:17,114 Speaker 1: like I just yeah, my sister got to text me 757 00:30:17,154 --> 00:30:19,354 Speaker 1: my birthday. It's fine. I'm sure she'll get to it. 758 00:30:19,714 --> 00:30:22,394 Speaker 1: Or when she was signing paparazzi photos in front of 759 00:30:22,394 --> 00:30:24,874 Speaker 1: her hotel and a paparazzi stopped her and said you're 760 00:30:24,954 --> 00:30:26,994 Speaker 1: so much nicer than your sister's and then she walks 761 00:30:26,994 --> 00:30:28,754 Speaker 1: away that she turns back around, she was, yeah, because 762 00:30:28,794 --> 00:30:31,034 Speaker 1: you tortured them their whole lives and then walked away 763 00:30:31,514 --> 00:30:34,154 Speaker 1: and say stuff like that. But I think every soft 764 00:30:34,154 --> 00:30:35,754 Speaker 1: and she gets like, you know what she. 765 00:30:35,914 --> 00:30:39,274 Speaker 2: Did say on a show once that always stuck with me, 766 00:30:39,354 --> 00:30:42,434 Speaker 2: which was advice she got from her sisters, which was 767 00:30:42,754 --> 00:30:45,594 Speaker 2: that no is a full sentence, and that has always 768 00:30:45,634 --> 00:30:46,274 Speaker 2: stuck with me. 769 00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:49,474 Speaker 5: I didn't really take it on board myself. 770 00:30:49,474 --> 00:30:52,474 Speaker 1: For recent years. I wish I had, But I love. 771 00:30:52,434 --> 00:30:53,034 Speaker 6: That they. 772 00:30:54,634 --> 00:30:57,234 Speaker 2: That they lived by that and that's how they've done 773 00:30:57,234 --> 00:30:59,474 Speaker 2: their career, and that she's taken it on board too, 774 00:30:59,714 --> 00:31:00,874 Speaker 2: because it's really interesting. 775 00:31:01,034 --> 00:31:03,034 Speaker 3: I'd also love to just be a fly on the 776 00:31:03,034 --> 00:31:06,434 Speaker 3: wall in their family group chats after these various revelations 777 00:31:06,474 --> 00:31:09,274 Speaker 3: come out, when, for example, she said that she's closer 778 00:31:09,314 --> 00:31:11,114 Speaker 3: to Ashley than Mary Kate, Like, I'd love to know. 779 00:31:11,314 --> 00:31:12,554 Speaker 4: Is it like a bit of all goodess? Or are 780 00:31:12,554 --> 00:31:14,234 Speaker 4: they all just in the family group chat? Like why 781 00:31:14,234 --> 00:31:15,434 Speaker 4: do you have to answer that, Elizabeth? 782 00:31:16,154 --> 00:31:18,594 Speaker 1: I get the vibe, but they don't have a family 783 00:31:18,634 --> 00:31:21,234 Speaker 1: group chat or do but the Olsen twins aren't in 784 00:31:21,274 --> 00:31:23,634 Speaker 1: it or Mary Kate's not. She's definitely the odd ball. 785 00:31:23,714 --> 00:31:25,474 Speaker 1: The only superpower I have, Like, the only good thing 786 00:31:25,514 --> 00:31:30,594 Speaker 1: I have is I can always tell celebrity twins apart. 787 00:31:30,234 --> 00:31:32,074 Speaker 4: You also know every celebrities child. 788 00:31:32,474 --> 00:31:34,914 Speaker 1: Two useless facts. But I just think I'm just gonna 789 00:31:34,914 --> 00:31:36,434 Speaker 1: go on a limit say that Mary Kate's in the 790 00:31:36,434 --> 00:31:38,194 Speaker 1: group chat or that they don't have one, because there's 791 00:31:38,194 --> 00:31:41,874 Speaker 1: something about them that's so weirdly old school cool and like, 792 00:31:42,114 --> 00:31:45,274 Speaker 1: I don't know, I reckon they're dialing on the old 793 00:31:45,314 --> 00:31:46,714 Speaker 1: home phone, and I kind. 794 00:31:46,554 --> 00:31:48,874 Speaker 5: Of feel like Mary Kate just wouldn't care Y. 795 00:31:49,794 --> 00:31:52,194 Speaker 1: I get that too, because they've stepped so far away 796 00:31:52,234 --> 00:31:55,594 Speaker 1: from the spotlight, like the allegations against the Olsen twins 797 00:31:55,754 --> 00:31:57,754 Speaker 1: when they were running their business and with allegations from 798 00:31:57,754 --> 00:32:00,314 Speaker 1: the interns that were treated really badly, they didn't make 799 00:32:00,354 --> 00:32:01,994 Speaker 1: a bunch of public statements. But I think that's the 800 00:32:02,074 --> 00:32:04,594 Speaker 1: kind of first time they really jumped into action because 801 00:32:04,634 --> 00:32:08,954 Speaker 1: their reputation as business owners was and the reputation of 802 00:32:08,954 --> 00:32:11,354 Speaker 1: the business they had built. But apart from that, I 803 00:32:11,354 --> 00:32:13,314 Speaker 1: think they don't care what is out in the world 804 00:32:13,354 --> 00:32:15,354 Speaker 1: and what people say about them because they're not public 805 00:32:15,354 --> 00:32:18,234 Speaker 1: facing anymore and they don't rely on press to sell 806 00:32:18,274 --> 00:32:18,954 Speaker 1: their products. 807 00:32:19,154 --> 00:32:21,554 Speaker 3: Yeah, if anything, I guess for Elizabeth it matters probably 808 00:32:21,634 --> 00:32:23,794 Speaker 3: more how these things come out and the way that 809 00:32:23,834 --> 00:32:26,554 Speaker 3: she is now, especially fronting this movie, as opposed to 810 00:32:26,554 --> 00:32:28,154 Speaker 3: how it is for them in their current era. 811 00:32:28,594 --> 00:32:32,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the row is famously so outrageously expensive as well, 812 00:32:32,754 --> 00:32:34,354 Speaker 2: that they don't even really need to appeal to them. 813 00:32:34,594 --> 00:32:37,074 Speaker 1: Yes, because they don't want to. They don't want us 814 00:32:37,074 --> 00:32:38,954 Speaker 1: to wear the Royal come in their shops. They would 815 00:32:38,954 --> 00:32:40,674 Speaker 1: like Mary Kate Ashley. If they saw me, they'd be like, 816 00:32:40,674 --> 00:32:42,194 Speaker 1: we rather you didn't come. We're not. 817 00:32:44,554 --> 00:32:45,234 Speaker 4: We're not worthy. 818 00:32:45,434 --> 00:32:47,834 Speaker 1: Well, we'll link the full interview now show notes if 819 00:32:47,834 --> 00:32:50,074 Speaker 1: you'd like to read it. 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