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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quikie. Have you ever been reading a word and

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Speaker 1: you've said it a few too many times and now

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Speaker 1: it seems like the word just isn't quite right anymore. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: you've just experienced a phenomenon known as word nesia. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're going to look at why our brain sometimes fritzes

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Speaker 1: out and loses the ability to recognize words that we

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Speaker 1: use every day. But before we check on the weird

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Speaker 1: and wonderful inner workings of the human brain, let's have

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Speaker 1: a look at what's happening in the Quickie newsroom.

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Speaker 2: Friday, September twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Israel has rejected calls from across the globe, including from

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Speaker 1: the Australian government, for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon, where

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Speaker 1: the IDF has clashed with Hezbollah. Israel's decision defies even

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Speaker 1: their biggest ally in the US, as they continue to

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Speaker 1: press ahead with strikes in southern Lebanon that have already

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Speaker 1: killed hundreds, striking the edges of the capital Beirute. The

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Speaker 1: IDF also simulated a ground invasion on the Israeli side

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Speaker 1: of the border with Lebanon, in what may be a

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Speaker 1: potential next stage of the escalation intentions in the region.

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Speaker 1: Israel has vowed to secure its north and return thousands

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Speaker 1: of its citizens to communities they've been forced to flee

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Speaker 1: since Hesboala launched a campaign of cross border strikes last

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Speaker 1: year in solidarity with Palestinian militants fighting in Gaza. The

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Speaker 1: Australian Competition and Consumer Commission interim report on supermarkets has

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Speaker 1: found soaring prices at the checkout, a lack of competition

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Speaker 1: discount schemes. The a Triple C report didn't detail any

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Speaker 1: recommendations from the findings, but Deputy chair Mik Kio says

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Speaker 1: there are concerns about how the major supermarkets are abusing

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Speaker 1: their power, saying the biggest two Woolworths and Coals, are

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Speaker 1: working under an oligopolistic market structure, providing a broadly similar

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Speaker 1: experience to customers through largely undifferentiated product ranges, pricing its

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Speaker 1: similar levels, and similar non prime offerings including loyalty programs.

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Speaker 1: The inquiry received input from more than twenty one thousand customers,

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Speaker 1: finding the majority of low income households are having to

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Speaker 1: spend twenty percent of their income on groceries, while the

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Speaker 1: cost of a typical basket of products increased by twenty

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Speaker 1: percent over the past five years. Ozzie Formula One driver

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Speaker 1: Daniel Riccardo has had to say goodbye to his wild

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Speaker 1: thirty five year old had been expecting after his less

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Speaker 1: than impressive twenty twenty four season, calling time on a

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Speaker 1: distinguished career where many have enjoyed not just Riccardo's time

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Speaker 1: and individuals who've contributed to his career and the fans

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Speaker 1: signing off until the next adventure. The relationship between singer

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Speaker 1: Man has become even more serious, with a pair obtaining

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Speaker 1: Ray spent time on his Wildlife Swamp tour back in

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Speaker 1: the Leeds Festival holding hands earlier this year, before taking

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Speaker 1: Kelcey at a wedding in New York. Del Rey and

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Speaker 1: Jeremy de Free now have thirty days from the date

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Speaker 1: they applied to actually get married. That's the latest news headlines.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes words go weird and we want to know why.

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Speaker 1: We find out what causes word nizia. A few days ago,

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Speaker 1: I was reading a thread about how Americans refer to

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Speaker 1: our Mama Mia colleagues which words were weird for them,

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Speaker 1: I can't say the word anonymity.

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Speaker 3: Anonymity I'm currently writing and never have I ever think

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Speaker 3: I'd venture to guess that during the course of my life,

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Speaker 3: It's not a rare word by any stretch. I promised

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Speaker 3: I was flummixed. Project looked ridiculous. Project, No, that couldn't

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Speaker 1: Word nisia is closely related to a psychological phenomenon called

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Speaker 1: semantic satiation. In your brain, you have got a ton

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Speaker 1: of Linguistic podcast Because Language, Daniel Midley. Daniel, Are there

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Speaker 1: certain words that go weird for us more often than others?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think that this phenomenon what's

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Speaker 4: known as semantic satiation. But I also like word nesia.

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Speaker 4: That's fine. It seems to affect any word, and it's

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Speaker 4: soon it loses all of its meaning and just goes

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Speaker 4: all funny in my brain. Because our brains are always

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Speaker 4: brains do. This is new. You have to pay attention

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Speaker 1: Is that the case of why our own names in

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Speaker 1: particular start to sound weird. Like I have to say

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Speaker 4: I am loving your picturesque descriptions. Names are kind of

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Speaker 4: special because there's something very important in linguistics. It's called relevance.

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Speaker 4: Relevance is where coughing could just be nothing, but when

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Speaker 4: I'd better pay attention to that. Our brains are always

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Speaker 4: our names are very significant because they're relevant for us.

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Speaker 4: They belong to us, which is why when someone uses

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Speaker 4: random noise because it's relevant. To us, so relevance is

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Speaker 1: Are the tips or tricks that we can do in

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Speaker 1: our brain to unweird the word that's gone weird for us?

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes it takes a long time, and sometimes we've

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Speaker 1: heard anecdotally here today that there are people who like

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Speaker 1: write it out several times and write it in different forms,

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Speaker 4: Why would you want to unweird the word? I think

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Speaker 4: it's fun to weird things. It's like those pictures. Have

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Speaker 4: you're wearing out your purple and orange receptors. And then

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Speaker 4: The trees are green, the sky is blue. What's happening is,

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Speaker 4: what's out there. I suppose if it's distracting, then go

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Speaker 4: sematization is kind of enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: So it's nothing that we should be worried about.

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Speaker 1: Because there is a moment when you do start to

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Speaker 1: Is this my brain deciding that it's not going to

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Speaker 4: Oh, now I feel like we're getting into another area

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Speaker 4: where we're talking about something called anomia. Anomia means being

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Speaker 1: You just reminded me of a time where I forgot

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Speaker 4: Language is fun, Daniel.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing your insights with us today.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you giving us some of your time.

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Speaker 4: Great to talk to you, Claire and Claire. I hope

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Speaker 4: to talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Claire, stop saying my name is weeding me out, So Claire.

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Speaker 1: While word nietia can be frustrating, it's genuinely harmless and

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Speaker 1: constantly processing and reevaluating information, not just doing the same

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Speaker 2: It's learning all the time.

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Speaker 2: Remember you're not alone, and.

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Speaker 1: Your brain is just taking a little, sometimes amusing detour

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Speaker 1: on its remarkable journey of language processing. So embrace your

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Speaker 1: linguistic bewilderment. It's just another reminder of the complex and

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Speaker 1: wonderful workings of the human mind. Thanks for taking some

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Speaker 1: time to feed your mind with us today. The quickie

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Speaker 1: is produced by me Claire Murphy and our senior producer

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Speaker 1: Taylor Strato, with audio production by Lou Hill.